1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 05 Sep 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 494       Contents: Re: alpha - ia64! Associated Press and secret talks ! Re: Carly's email to Compaq staff 2 Re: Converting a stream_lf file to a variable file Digital -> Compaq -> HP   Re: Digital and Alpha to SurviveP Re: dir help ---%LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]NCS$LIBRARY.N ed/edt corrupting files  Re: EV7 will never ship?  RE: Feeling Better about Itanium RE: HP buying Compaq?  Re: HP buying Compaq?  LAT Queues wont start  Re: LAT Queues wont start % Re: Line count for txt file from DCL? % Re: Line count for txt file from DCL? % Re: Line count for txt file from DCL? % Re: Line count for txt file from DCL? % Re: Line count for txt file from DCL? % Re: Line count for txt file from DCL?  Re: Mark Twain Promo Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates RE: Terry Shannon  Re: Timeline Re: Timeline, VMS V7.3 patches XFC and FIBRE_SCSI are gone$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:50:08 +0200 1 From: Franz-Josef Fornefeld <jo.fornefeld@gmx.de>  Subject: Re: alpha - ia64 ' Message-ID: <9n4sgh.c3.1@jo.dyndns.org>    Eric Young wrote:    > Ken Hagan wrote: > ? >> I think Crays have 64-bit ints, but aren't they a bit wierd?  > C > I had some code of mine ported to a cray a long long time ago and # > if my memory serves me correctly,  > sizeof(char)    == 1 > sizeof(short)    == 8  > sizeof(int)    == 8  > sizeof(long)    == 8 > ( > Rather interesting about the short :-)  E Well, K&R say (citing from memory): the only thing you can rely on is ' that 'short' is not longer than 'long'.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:45:13 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> * Subject: Associated Press and secret talks8 Message-ID: <6tsbpt82hru8d61fcl5g12cboubk11ppr6@4ax.com>  G http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010904/ts/hewlett_packard_compaq.html    @ Fiorina and Capellas first met in 2000 and had spoken informallyB several times until their talks escalated into merger negotiations earlier this year.  F ``For me it wasn't a eureka moment,'' Fiorina said. ``It was gathering momentum.''   B The two executives then engaged in merger discussions so secretiveE they didn't bring in investment bankers to help until a business plan ! for the new company was in place.    -- Alan   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 03:56:23 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>* Subject: Re: Carly's email to Compaq staff@ Message-ID: <20010905105623.55905.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>   HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA   0 I was imagining Carly and Capellas in the Itanic4 and she is saying "-I am the Queen of the World" :-)     Fabio C.      * --- Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:1 > The Inquirer has a copy of the email from HP to  > Compaq staff:  >=20) > http://www.theinquirer.net/04090116.htm  >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 >   Carly's memo to Compaq	 >   staff  >=20" >   Got hold of Curly's email list >=20* >   By Mike Magee, 04/09/2001 21:00:07 BST >=203 >   HERE'S THE TEXT OF CARLY'S "personal" letter to . >   Compaq employees, full of some high-flying > thoughts, 3 >   and the immortal line "I believe we will change  > the 5 >   world". This is top stuff. Apply an onion to your  > eye 3 >   before you start reading, or if you're British,  > make sure   >   your upper lip is stiff. =B5 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D  > Full text at:  >=20) > http://www.theinquirer.net/04090116.htm  > -- > Alan Greig >=20 >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?L Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger=   http://im.yahoo.com    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2001 06:02:24 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: Converting a stream_lf file to a variable file 3 Message-ID: <g0lJyQlHfcWc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   t In article <040920012159543881%spencer@spaamfree.recneps.com>, David Spencer <spencer@spaamfree.recneps.com> writes:@ > How about a timeout over the take-under of HP by Compaq for an > actual question :) > I > I've got some files generated by a C program that are Stream_LF format. I > I'd like to write a BASIC program to read them. I've considered several 1 > options but with little success in any of them.    $ MCR TECO32 *ebfile.ext$ex$$  J Where dollar signs on the second line indicate the ASCII escape character.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:55:21 +01008 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>  Subject: Digital -> Compaq -> HPN Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240010BF02E@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  L VMS wasn't a significant factor in the Compaq takeover: Compaq mainly wantedL Digital's service section. From the press information so far the HP takeoverJ appears to have been purely a business move (i.e. it made financial sense)J and my guess is that HP have not yet given much thought to what to do withL Compaq's product lines. VMS is not a significant factor in the HP takeover.   L What will happen now is anybody's guess and I wouldn't be surprised if HP isG still guessing at the moment. I wonder if Carly's heard of VMS yet? Has ! Terry taken her out to lunch yet?    John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 07:34:26 GMT . From: Burnie M <burniem.NOSPAM@ozemail.com.au>) Subject: Re: Digital and Alpha to Survive 8 Message-ID: <tblbptci2a83h1vshikfnajqskn3f78css@4ax.com>  @ On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:25:28 GMT, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU. ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote:  R >In article <3B957D1B.DA10D654@home.com>, GreyCloud <drholland10@home.com> writes: >>Alan Greig wrote:  >> >>> GreyCloud wrote: >>>  >>> >  >>> > + >>> > How much do you know about Capellas?? A >>> > He is going to be the president and CEO of this new merger.  >>> T >>> No he isn't. He will be president but the HP CEO will be the CEO of the combined >>> company called HP. >>>  >>> -- >>> Alan Greig >>Q >>Maybe the gal on FoxNews and also the ones at TechTv have gotten it wrong then.  > O >Maybe they have.  (CNN and both the Compaq and HP websites have the Fiorina as  >CEO, Capellas as Pres info.)  >  >-- Alan >   B Compaq staff need to 'feel' for a time that Compaq has some say so Capellas is in for a while.   6 My money is on 6 months till the golden handshake tho.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2001 00:53:29 -0700 + From: Kor.Rinkens@libertel.nl (Kor Rinkens) Y Subject: Re: dir help ---%LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]NCS$LIBRARY.N = Message-ID: <6a144f39.0109042353.362eb063@posting.google.com>   } michaelandbarbarayoung@hotmail.com (Michael Young) wrote in message news:<c59f611e.0109040721.1bc6cf4d@posting.google.com>...   D Your problem is not your command procedure but the fact that you are3 not permition to read or write or delete that file.   F So change the permission of that file and your procedure will run (see comments of other users)   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2001 09:40:55 GMT - From: forkosh@panix1.panix.com (John Forkosh)   Subject: ed/edt corrupting files) Message-ID: <9n4rv7$bed$2@news.panix.com>   > Just installed vms7.2 on a vs4000/60 and started using ed/edt.G Files are created as variable length, max 255, cr/lf (as per dir/full). ? But on re-editing, screen displays file, but edt's bound cursor @ sees an eol in the middle (not exact middle) of displayed lines.B Trying to edit further loses the text past eol, and messes up file- in various and sundry other complicated ways. =      Without /edt, everything works fine and dandy, but files ? are created with a max 0 (rather than 255).  So I tried dumping > files and interpreting the 2-byte counts that I think are used; in this format.  But I couldn't decipher dump definitively. @      What's going on???  And if it is a file attributes problem,E how can I change the default format saved by ed/edt?  Would stream/lf $ be the best for text files?  Thanks, John (forkosh@panix.com)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:19:52 +0100. From: Roger Barnett <roger@natron.demon.co.uk>! Subject: Re: EV7 will never ship? 1 Message-ID: <DeANgKAIIAl7Ew9z@natron.demon.co.uk>   5 In article <3B8CD0E2.153D8125@virgin.net>, Alan Greig  <a.greig@virgin.net> writes  > Q >I can at least confirm that the Compaq IA64 boxes intended to ship in 2004/2005   >will O >have Galaxy support features according to current customer presentations. The   >slides Q >show one system running Windows-64, VMS, Linux, and Tru64. Although exactly why   >youQ >would want to run Linux, and Tru64 at the same time is a puzzle as they will be   >binary  >compatible.    H I thought that Microsoft's OEM licence conditions prevent companies likeF Compaq from providing Windows on multiple operating system platforms ?    
 Roger Barnett    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:46:57 -0400+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> ) Subject: RE: Feeling Better about Itanium R Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4D49614@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Lyndon,   F >>> What will Intel's 64 bit processor be in 3, or 4, or 5 years... It depends.<<<   I I suspect the recent Intel press releases will show that the Compaq Alpha I folks now working at Intel will have a fair amount of influence on future  directions for IPF.   E Reference: (btw - check out patent numbers in attached press release)   B http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20010830corp_a.htmL "SANTA CLARA, Calif., Aug. 30, 2001 - Intel Corporation today announced thatG four individuals have been appointed to the company's highest technical G position, Intel Fellow. The new Intel Fellows are Joel S. Emer, Tryggve G Fossum, William J. Grundmann and P. Geoffrey Lowney. In addition, Intel K today announced that Daniel J. Casaletto has been appointed vice president,  Intel Architecture Group.   J .."Today's appointments are the result of the recent agreement with CompaqG Computer Corporation to transfer key enterprise processor technology to H Intel and consolidate Compaq's entire 64-bit server family on the IntelR  ItaniumT microprocessor family."  
 and also - New Vice President  F Daniel Casaletto is vice president of the Intel Architecture Group andH general manager of the Intel Massachusetts Microprocessor Design Center.  7 http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/bios/dcasaletto.htm C "Most recently, Daniel J. Casaletto was Vice President of the Alpha L Development Group at Compaq Computer Corporation. He was responsible for the@ development and delivery of Alpha microprocessors and supportingK technologies for entry-level server systems. His organization was primarily F made up of hardware and software engineers developing microprocessors,H related chipsets, motherboards, firmware, IC package design and CAD. HisK group also oversaw Alpha microprocessor production, and worked closely with  the semiconductor foundries.  ! [see urls for rest of articles..]    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----5 From: Lyndon Bartels [mailto:lbartels@pressenter.com]  Sent: September 4, 2001 9:04 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) Subject: Re: Feeling Better about Itanium     B What will Intel's 64 bit processor be in 3, or 4, or 5 years... ItF depends. I think it depends on the number of Alpha engineers that stayF with the project. The more alpha engineers that stay with the project,4 the more it will be like alpha. The fewer the less.   E I think that Intel was smart, and they don't have a lot to loose. The F current 64 bit offering isn't exactly selling like hot-cakes. It wouldH be no great leap (or loss) for Intel to say that at some generation, theB hardware is incompatible with previous versions. At some point theF Intel-ized Alpha processor will be introduced as the "next generation"
 of IA-64.   G But who knows...... It's anybody guess.... And besides.... Some desktop B nimnull installed NT on my cystal ball, and it hasn't worked right
 since....!     --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:03:28 +01008 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> Subject: RE: HP buying Compaq?N Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240010BF031@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  K The new company name will be HP and VMS will become HPVMS ( perhaps HPvms ?  ).   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:05:28 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: HP buying Compaq?9 Message-ID: <4Gnl7.1129$%G5.332051@news20.bellglobal.com>   E "John Macallister" <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message H news:35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240010BF031@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk...K > The new company name will be HP and VMS will become HPVMS ( perhaps HPvms  ?  > ). >  > John > D > Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukJ > Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKC > Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)  >   D It was bad enough changing my employer's internal documentation fromK VAX-BASIC to DEC-BASIC to Compaq-BASIC. (as well as DEC-Forms, DEC-C, etc). L Now I'll need to change the product prefix to HP? Thank god they never tried  to change the letters in DCL :-)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ @ http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/compaq_memorial_site.htmlF p.s. I created the Compaq memorial site three months ago when Capellas1 killed the Alpha. Who knew this would happen? :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:54:41 GMT 2 From: Piyush Avichal<pa@it.singer-friedlander.com> Subject: LAT Queues wont start4 Message-ID: <lLll7.4459$4z.14178@www.newsranger.com>   Hi,   M I am experiencing a problem with my LAT queues. They seemed to have gone into K a stopped state and I am unable to restart them. I can restart normal batch M queues and IP print queues, but any queues that are using LAT will not start. P I have other vaxes which have the same setup and those LAT queues are unaffected and work fine.  L Printer queue CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINT, stopped, autostart inactive, on% NEWDEV::LTA501:, mounted form DEFAULT   5 NEWDEV(PA)$ start/queue CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINT - %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available   4 Even stopping and reseting the queues has no effect.  , Does anyone know what might be causing this?   Thanks,    Piyush   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:20:22 +0200 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>" Subject: Re: LAT Queues wont start- Message-ID: <3B95EE56.C96A07EE@volkswagen.de>   < Check, if LTA501 does exist, using MCR LATCP SHO POR LTA501.   Piyush Avichal wrote:  >  > Hi,  > O > I am experiencing a problem with my LAT queues. They seemed to have gone into M > a stopped state and I am unable to restart them. I can restart normal batch O > queues and IP print queues, but any queues that are using LAT will not start.SR > I have other vaxes which have the same setup and those LAT queues are unaffected > and work fine. > N > Printer queue CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINT, stopped, autostart inactive, on' > NEWDEV::LTA501:, mounted form DEFAULTa > 7 > NEWDEV(PA)$ start/queue CORPORATE_SECRETARIES_1$PRINTo/ > %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availablet > 6 > Even stopping and reseting the queues has no effect. > . > Does anyone know what might be causing this? > 	 > Thanks,  >  > Piyush   --    - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regardst   Karl Rohwedder               tC iT-Ingenieurteam     | Ellernbruch 11       | D-38112 Braunschweig  A Telefon: 0531/515521 | Telefax: 0531/515531 | Mobil: 0172/5434843mE  E-Mail: rohwedder@decus.decus.de           | iT-IngTeam@t-online.de e+          karl.rohwedder@it-ingenieurteam.der DATEX-P: 4505018005::ROHWEDDER   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:10:05 +0200w* From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>. Subject: Re: Line count for txt file from DCL?* Message-ID: <3B95CFCD.5070708@tzora.co.il>   Geoff Roberts wrote:  C > I have a DCL com procedure that does the following (amongst otherf	 > things)n ...<snip>...      H > DIR/FULL on the event log file gives, following the revision date/time) > group, the number of lines in the file.I  )               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^y3 The number of records, or the file allocation size?t  D In my (admittedly failing) memory - and I'm at home with no VMS now-% DIR does _not_ return a record count.tF However such things as allocation size, date/time modified etc. can be* read using F$FILE_ATTRIB lexical function.     >   $ And thank you for not mentioning HP. -- lE ----------------------------------------------------------------------E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.g? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*sE Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home):(972)-2-9908337iC    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"iE --------------------------------------------------------------------- * ------ GEEK CODE BLOCK (Version: 3.1)-----( GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++' N++ K? w--- V+++$ PS+ PE-- t X- tv-- b+  DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@t* ---------- END GEEK CODE BLOCK  ----------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:56:13 -0400o' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> . Subject: Re: Line count for txt file from DCL?< Message-ID: <howard-22B8BB.01561305092001@enews.newsguy.com>  0 In article <Ftil7.227$iH4.14167@ozemail.com.au>,C  "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux> wrote:5  B > Is there some way to extract this line count from DCL other than > DIR/FULL?a  5 COPY/LOG to NL: and capture the message in SYS$ERROR?t -- e Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:00:00 +0930A From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux> . Subject: Re: Line count for txt file from DCL?0 Message-ID: <PDjl7.257$iH4.16214@ozemail.com.au>  D "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux> wrote in2 message news:Ftil7.227$iH4.14167@ozemail.com.au...   <much snipped>  B > Is there some way to extract this line count from DCL other than > DIR/FULL?   + Forget it.  I found the right part of  TFM.y  1 EVENT=F$FAO(F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES("FILE.NAME","RVN"))' works just fine. Lexicals are wonderful..  
 Geoff Roberts  Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie,n South Australia16 geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au ICQ: 1970476   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:28:56 +0930A From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux>o. Subject: Re: Line count for txt file from DCL?0 Message-ID: <Z2kl7.270$iH4.17414@ozemail.com.au>  7 "Mike Rechtman" <rechtman@tzora.co.il> wrote in message_$ news:3B95CFCD.5070708@tzora.co.il... >i >l > Geoff Roberts wrote: >tE > > I have a DCL com procedure that does the following (amongst other- > > things)- > ...<snip>... >  >  >1@ > > DIR/FULL on the event log file gives, following the revision	 date/time:+ > > group, the number of lines in the file.l > + >               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^e5 > The number of records, or the file allocation size?r  B Neither.  Was my (mis) understanding of what it was giving me.  ItG actually gives the number of times the file has been revised.  This (inuG this case where each record is one line, and also means one revision ofrF the file) amounts to the same thing for the purposes of this exercise.  F > In my (admittedly failing) memory - and I'm at home with no VMS now-' > DIR does _not_ return a record count.hH > However such things as allocation size, date/time modified etc. can be, > read using F$FILE_ATTRIB lexical function.  H Which is what I ended up using as detailed in my followup.  Not strictly% speaking the line count, but for this - particular job, it amounts to the same thing.4  F Thanks for all the suggestions guys.  Now I'm waiting for the event toE happen so I can be sure it works in the Real World.  (There's never aoA Red Alert attack when you want one despite 300 hits from it sincen 28AUG.)   & > And thank you for not mentioning HP.  	 Who?  ;^)e   Cheers  
 Geoff Robertsg Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie,  South Australiai6 geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au ICQ: 1970476   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2001 06:03:54 -0500o- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: Line count for txt file from DCL?3 Message-ID: <NtG3HeiyWJqN@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  t In article <Ftil7.227$iH4.14167@ozemail.com.au>, "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux> writes:C > I have a DCL com procedure that does the following (amongst other 	 > things),G > A particular event occurs.  Date/Time/Address/Port etc information is>J > appended as a single line report on the occurrence of a particular event > to an event log file.>D > The event info is then also sent to a newly created alert file and2 > emailed to me.  This alert file is then deleted. > H > DIR/FULL on the event log file gives, following the revision date/time) > group, the number of lines in the file. I > Since this equates to the number of events that have occurred, I'd like J > to be able to insert that number into the alert file so I have a running3 > total on the number of events that have occurred.l > B > Is there some way to extract this line count from DCL other than > DIR/FULL?>  0 $ SEARCH/STATISTICS file.ext anything/output=nl:   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2001 06:05:53 -0500h- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: Line count for txt file from DCL?3 Message-ID: <ny+miG71qWFD@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  t In article <PDjl7.257$iH4.16214@ozemail.com.au>, "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux> writes: > F > "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux> wrote in4 > message news:Ftil7.227$iH4.14167@ozemail.com.au... >  > <much snipped> > C >> Is there some way to extract this line count from DCL other than3 >> DIR/FULL? > - > Forget it.  I found the right part of  TFM.l > 3 > EVENT=F$FAO(F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES("FILE.NAME","RVN"))0 > works just fine.   Try that on a larger file.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:45:43 +0200 1 From: Franz-Josef Fornefeld <jo.fornefeld@gmx.de>  Subject: Re: Mark Twain Promo ' Message-ID: <9n4s88.c3.1@jo.dyndns.org>    Richard D. Piccard wrote:-  I > I have just received a package from Compaq, with the outside featuring:x >mI > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." -- Mark Twain, cable$% > from London to the Associate Pressss  C Same here (on Monday). I really love Mark Twain. So: thank you DEQ.a  F On Thursday then came the news about HP buying Compaq. Nice context to this citation...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:44:04 +0100a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>s Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatess8 Message-ID: <dmobptg21hl98s4cd92qep0bin773o8ur4@4ax.com>  B On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:36:02 GMT, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote:  F >For those of you who are dishearten by today's HP/Compaq get togetherJ >consider this.  Today is likely the day that Bill Gate's dream of WindowsL >taking over the datacenter offically died.  Digital, Compaq, and HP had all  D Are you paid to make this up or just living in some strange parallel	 universe?l  M >bet their future in the mid-1990's on Windows 2000 rapidly being accepted in-J >the datacenter.  You will note the heavy emphasis on Unix today by CompaqK >and HP.  Of the big four (DigitalTandemCompaqApolloHP, IBM, Sun, and Dell)DJ >only Dell is still seriously pursuing a Windows datacenter strategy.  The  D I noted that Carly said that Microsoft and Intel would be the numberA one partners of the "new HP". I noted she said they had discussed E getting out of the consumer pc market but decided against it. I heardrD nothing which indicated that they didn't intend to be a major playerF in the Windows Datacentre market. Please point me at the statement. as I obviously missed it.  @ Oh, also if you could email all the Compaq sales teams currentlyC pushing Windows as a Datacentre solution to customers and tell themeE the errors of their ways I would much appreciate it. Then there might?D just be a chance of us buying some Tru64 systems for SAP rather thanD the NT systems Compaq's sales team's configuration tools tell us areE just as capable and far more cost effective than Tru64. Note I am not1F saying the sales teams actually believe this but by Compaq policy theyE have to offer you SAP options with NT even if you only ask them about  Tru64.  M >footnote on today should be that Bill Gate's dream died or at least will not $ >be realized for a long long time... >f   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:11:51 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatese8 Message-ID: <s7qbpt0cfgubav26m9pi68infkgp27gu6r@4ax.com>  B On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:05:44 GMT, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote:     > E >"Industry standard servers delivering content ... at the edge of thelL >network" does not sound like the core strategy.  Edge of the network is not) >the technology driving the datacenter...n  A The term "edge of the network" was used by Winkler et al. back ineD January to demonstrate where Compaq would first  go after the  "softF underbelly" of Unix by attacking there first and then moving on  untilD "Unix is first driven off the desktop, then the midrange and finally@ out of the data centre where it might just hang on for a while".B Capellas said "we got the balance wrong" in response to complaints> about this. My view is that he just chose his words a bit moreC carefully. While it is true that Capellas carefully included Oraclee= and SAP among their new top partners, Carly specifically said D "Microsoft and Intel" and she's the one wearing the trousers in this new partnership.  E However the moment the Compaq sales team currently telling us that NTnE is just as suitable for a SAP project as Tru64 change their tune I'lltA be delighted. Interestingly though just last week I complained tofF Compaq that Sun and HP SAP sales teams do not try to sell you NT (wellF HP do if you ask) but that Compaq (by company policy) will quote an NTC configuration even if you call them in to talk about Tru64. So just  maybe this might change.  D Also don't you think Microsoft might get a bit upset if the "new HP"C starts saying Windows is not ready for the datacentre when it has a6A contract to supply all NT systems to run Microsoft's datacentres?      -- Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:59:06 +01008 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Terry ShannonN Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240010BF030@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  % > the merger "cat is out of the bag".t  K I wonder how long this cat's been in the bag? My impression as an "ordinaryeL bystander" is that its time in the bag has been quite brief judging from theK initial impact and complete absence of rumours beforehand. It's likely thathI the shorter the time in the bag the better the prospects for VMS but that & may be wishful thinking on my part ...   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:18:40 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>. Subject: Re: Timelinei8 Message-ID: <1dnbptknjqa72rcp3rr9huv8iojdvlc72t@4ax.com>  B On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:37:52 GMT, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote:   > 3 >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message-3 >news:2rn9pt0cbgte8dd1rm7ki4a6nn6f4hif2o@4ax.com... - >> Bollocks!!!!! Where did you get that from?l >eK >Alan see "Lengthy Courtship" below - otherwise you and Bill Todd will love4 >the article...A  B I have absolutely no doubts that "The *current deal* grew out of aD phone conversation in late June they said". But note the "they said"D and the subheading itself "lengthy courtship" and the comments aboutD keeping in touch over 18 months. It s perfectly clear what many newsD agencies including the WSJ  are implying. Actually some are cheekily  implying something else as well!  ,   -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2001 05:58:44 -0500R- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)G Subject: Re: Timelineb3 Message-ID: <jYXKef+YNtEO@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  ` In article <Qlfl7.167$Vx1.482682@typhoon2.gnilink.net>, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:  N > Some big investors are equally dubious. "There is huge execution risk here,"I > says portfolio manager Steve Salopek of Banc One Corp., which owned 8.5rL > million shares of H-P as of June 30. He is doubtful there are any benefitsL > to the deal. "All you are creating is a bigger company that isn't crediblyN > positioned," he said. "Merging the two together doesn't accelerate growth at > either one."  : This is a clear case of the pot calling the kettles black.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:24:20 +0200r: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>5 Subject: VMS V7.3 patches XFC and FIBRE_SCSI are gonew- Message-ID: <3B95EF44.BA8A6F34@volkswagen.de>.  W I've just checked the patches download area, because I had received a mail notificationoY of a 'new' VMS73_XFC patch (but is was the old one) and found that the VMS73_XFC V1.0 and-3 the VMS73_FIBRE_SCSI  V1.0 patch have disappeared. M  Z Have there any problems been discovered? I 've just installed the patches on an new system0 which should go into production real soon now... --    - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regards    Karl Rohwedder                C iT-Ingenieurteam     | Ellernbruch 11       | D-38112 Braunschweig aA Telefon: 0531/515521 | Telefax: 0531/515531 | Mobil: 0172/5434843 E  E-Mail: rohwedder@decus.decus.de           | iT-IngTeam@t-online.de e+          karl.rohwedder@it-ingenieurteam.de  DATEX-P: 4505018005::ROHWEDDER   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2001 09:16:35 GMTt3 From: vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle)_- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaqu, Message-ID: <9n4qhj$fni@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  3 In article <6UFonqOD$k44@eisner.encompasserve.org>, , Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote: >-? >	Well... that's not Wall Street's read.  Maybe you can pick up0% >	the paper and read it for yourself..      Wall Street's read is       HWP  18.87 down 4.34 (-18.7%)     CPQ  11.08 down 1.27 (-10.3%)  F    Usually the company being acquired goes up.  Looks like Wall StreetF doesn't like it.  Also looks like the 25 billion dollar deal is now a  20 billion deal.   -- Vance Haemmerle  vance@alumni.caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:45:54 +0100a0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaqh* Message-ID: <3B960262.C53C5FD3@uk.sun.com>   "Vance R. Haemmerle" wrote:  > 5 > In article <6UFonqOD$k44@eisner.encompasserve.org>, . > Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote: > >rG > >       Well... that's not Wall Street's read.  Maybe you can pick up - > >       the paper and read it for yourself.t >  >    Wall Street's read is > " >    HWP  18.87 down 4.34 (-18.7%)" >    CPQ  11.08 down 1.27 (-10.3%) > H >    Usually the company being acquired goes up.  Looks like Wall StreetG > doesn't like it.  Also looks like the 25 billion dollar deal is now aE > 20 billion deal. >   . There was extensive coverage in the FT today.    Common themes:  4 Despite the attempts at an upbeat presentation itts 4 a defensive takeover, both companies are in trouble.  . Over 15,000 jobs will go in the restructuring.  8 If it works it might be good but its going to be really  hard to do.:  / And finally Carly is going to have a very tougho0 job, if she fails they will be looking for a new- CEO and Mike might be in a good possition as  
 President.   Regards  Andrew Harrisonc Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:51:04 +0100h0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaqe* Message-ID: <3B960398.9A081157@uk.sun.com>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:o > ( > At 10:44 AM 9/4/2001, Rob Young wrote: > < > >         You overlooked storage.  HP is a distant player: > >_; > >SAN Supplier Unit Market Share, 2000 (Gartner Dataquest)o
 > >Compaq 49%m
 > >Sun 14%
 > >EMC 11% > >HP 7%
 > >Dell 3%	 > >IBM 2%f	 > >HDS 1%  > > 
 > >Others 13%  > F > Most of HP's storage stuff is (or at least was) Data General and EMCI > (although I think they had a falling-out with EMC a year or so ago).  Ir6 > don't think they do much of their own storage stuff. >   ? HP fell out with EMC early last year, they now OEM the Hitachi  2 Arrays at the high end which they call the XP512.   ? They have a mid range SAN attached storage product set as well - which I think is in house.   Regards- Andrew Harrison- Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.494 ************************