1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 10 Sep 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 503       Contents: "Mount Dismount" status ?? Re: A higher-level perspective Re: A higher-level perspective; Re: A very sad moment.! - Side note to Perkin Elmer systems  Re: Big black helicopters  Re: Big black helicopters " Clustering problem....please help.& Re: Clustering problem....please help. Re: Dear HP... Re: Dear HP... HSG80 Agent configuration query # RE: HSG80 Agent configuration query E Re: Is there a VMS command to check if I have cache memory installed?  Re: LPs on the Web& Re: MicroVAX II - Parity Check Test...& Re: MicroVAX II - Parity Check Test... Missed Info-VAX emails........" Re: Missed Info-VAX emails........ More VMS Wish List Items...  Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: RIP Bill Gates Re: SAMBA 2.0.3 in OVMS  StorageWorks newsgroup?  vms and ide  Re: vms and ide 5 Re: VMS To Be Squeezed Out Of HP's Strategic Vision ?  Re: WHO ARE YOU forum?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:48:11 +0800 % From: "VMS Novice" <best@hotmail.com> # Subject: "Mount Dismount" status ?? 0 Message-ID: <9ngv00$c4o3@imsp212.netvigator.com>  I When I delete a job entry, the tape drive it was using change to a "mount L dismount" status and the entry change to the aborting status, furthermore, IJ cannot even stop the process by it's id !! What can I do to free this tape, drive and what is the cause of this problem?  J NB: Actually I have encounter this problem before with the disk also. I am using VMS7.2-1   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 13:34:32 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> ' Subject: Re: A higher-level perspective + Message-ID: <3B9BD258.C6CAD18E@caltech.edu>    Bill Todd wrote:  E > The following article from the Houston Chronicle was just posted at I > comp.unix.tru64.  The saddest part is how much the sentiments expressed   > remind me of how DEC once was: > 9 > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/1038069  >  >    <SNIP>   > K > Still, mindful of the role HP has played in the history of Silicon Valley L > and the electronics age, Carly Fiorina can perform one last service to the. > memory of William Hewlett and David Packard. >  > She can name the new company > 	 > Compaq.   : Close, but "DeatbPact" would be the more appropriate name.   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 23:01:54 +0100 & From: ChrisQ <lightwork@aerosys.co.uk>' Subject: Re: A higher-level perspective - Message-ID: <3B9BE6D2.1A835044@aerosys.co.uk>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > # > On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, ChrisQ wrote:  >  > >  > > K > > If the disease has got to companies like HP, then US industry really is L > > in serious trouble. IMHO, it will get a lot worse before it gets better,J > > so long as company management, greedy shareholders and Wall St fail toM > > realise that employees are a companies most valuable asset. Without them,  > > there would be no company. > > J > > You can't expect highly creative engineers and others to produce worldL > > beating product if they constantly live in a climate of fear about their	 > > jobs.  > >  > H > Maybe it's time to form John Galt Industries and get them to buy Alpha > and VMS!!  >   P Had never heard of John Galt, but a Google search turns up hundreds of links. IsJ this something to do with the Ayn Shand book ?.. Haven't read that either,@ though understand that it should be on the "read sometime" list.  . One of the more interesting looking links was:  & http://www.geocities.com/johngaltpress  0 So what is the angle here ?. Am in the uk BTW...   Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 18:33:49 -0400 , From: taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate)D Subject: Re: A very sad moment.! - Side note to Perkin Elmer systemsD Message-ID: <taterskins-ya023480000909011833490001@news.patriot.net>  = In article <tpkogeo8dunib5@corp.supernews.com>, Andrew Robert  <""arobert\"@(none)> wrote:   F > I worked on Perkin Elmer (ie. Concurrent) systems for several years. > C > Before VAX systems were introduced, they were the primary number  J > crunchers for many of the state/national lotteries I worked on at Gtech. >  > Quite an experience.   F And the Perkin Elmer nameplate was added after they acquired them fromJ Interdata. These were the systems, AFAIR, that were (a) the first to offerI a commercial 32-bit Unix and (b) the core systems for the Houston control E center for Apollo moon mission. They were really solid machines, with C gas-tight pin-and-socket system board connections to the backplane, G multiple level interrupts that mapped to dedicated register sets, and a K compilation by all compilers to Common Assembly Language intermediate code. H But Digital managed to compete quite well with the VAX, and they finally faded away.   J Ramon Tate, who spent more hours than he wants to remember sweating over aB P-E 3200-series wire wrap custom interface board with an H-P logic	 analyzer.    > Dan O'Reilly wrote:  > / > > At 10:43 PM 9/7/2001, Howard S Shubs wrote:  > > G > >> In article <5.1.0.14.2.20010907222147.0230ce20@ntbsod.psccos.com>, , > >>  Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote: > >>L > >> > Heck, if I could include student years, I would be doing this for 28  > >> years,  > >> > mostly on DEC stuff.  > >> > >> So you're around 50.  > >  > > N > > Not quite (but not far away).  I'm an Air Force Brat, and the base we wereO > > stationed at in England, allowed us in high school access to their computer N > > (IBM system) to do FORTRAN and BASIC programming via punch cards.  We alsoF > > had a very primitive system donated by Perkin Elmer to our school  > > (teletypesN > > and 32kb of memory) for BASIC programming (how many people can say they'veM > > worked on a Perkin Elmer system?).  In college, I count a lot of the time L > > on the computer as "professional time", since I was using it while doingM > > research for the physics department, doing real work (that was on a Xerox F > > Sigma 7 - replaced after I left by one of the first 11/780's ever  > > installed).  > > 6 > > But yeah, been doing this for a long time!  <grin> > > 
 > > ------M > > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ M > > | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | M > > | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | M > > | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" | M > > | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | M > > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+  > >    --  
 Ramon L. Tate 	 Casa Maa > taterskins@patriot.net   "Skin" that "'tater" before replying!   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:07:57 GMT ' From: ben_myers@charter.net (Ben Myers) " Subject: Re: Big black helicopters. Message-ID: <3b9c124b.491904@news.charter.net>  > The only people who make out in a class-action lawsuit are the lawyers... Ben Myers  C On 9 Sep 2001 09:56:55 -0700, gherbert@gw.retro.com (George William  Herbert) wrote:    ><jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote: , >>   peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:= >>>politics2000@hotmail.com <politics2000@hotmail.com> wrote: F >>>> What needs to be defined, evidently, is the purpose of anti-trustG >>>> legislation.  Its intent is to protect CONSUMERS, not competitors, J >>>> from a monopoly.  The parade of "witnesses" in the Microsoft case had. >>>> very few (if any) dissatisfied customers. >>> I >>>Customers are not in a position to see the strong-arm tactics going on ; >>>behind the scenes, yet they can still be harmed by them.  >>< >>I saw it as a so-called customer.  I was trying to get JMF= >>a laptop so he'ld be able to communicate with his coworkers > >>when he had his last bout of cancer.  He wanted a Unix based; >>system but I was told that it takes six months to install = >>it on a laptop.  Howvever if I wanted Misoftshit, then they , >>could ship the fucking thing out that day. >>4 >>The antitrust was about all the wrong things, IMO. > : >So get some friends together and file a private antitrust8 >action on the grounds that MS has denied you commercial2 >access to dual-boot or preinstalled Unix systems. >  >  >-george william herbert >gherbert@retro.com  >   	 Ben Myers  Spirit of Performance, Inc.  73 Westcott Road Harvard, MA 01451  tel: 978-456-3889  eFax: 810-963-0412    PayPal, MC, VISA, AMEX accepted.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 05:19:10 GMT 9 From: politics2000@hotmail.com (politics2000@hotmail.com) " Subject: Re: Big black helicopters: Message-ID: <3b9c4cae.595227667@news.jamison1.pa.home.com>  C It's interesting, disheartening and more than a bit alarming that a C citizen who expresses a desire for his or her country to govern its C own affairs is labeled as a bigot.  Is the U.S. the only country in F the world?  Of course not.  But just as your house is not the only oneE in the neighborhood, you wouldn't want the raising of your kids, your > financial statements or your interpersonal relationships to beD scrutinized by the people next door or the family around the corner,> nor would you desire their approval or heed their disapproval.  F And why would the U.S. want to take cues from other nations around the? world anyway?  England continues to finance the world's largest F welfare recipients (a.k.a. the royal family), the government of FranceE has imposed hiring/firing criteria that's bringing the country to its A knees, and nations that have implemented socialized medicine have E people waiting in line for the simplest of services.  So I ask again, E why would the U.S. want to model itself, even in the slightest, after E other nations who are apparently incapable of properly taking care of  themselves?   F You don't have to be a betting man to like the odds that Paddy O'BrienE thinks the U.N. is a benevolent organization.  Unfortunately, there's F a high number of U.S. citizens who think the same way, brought upon byA an education system more interested with indoctrination than with ? teaching kids to read and write, and a curriculum chock full of C propaganda such as corporations are always as evil, CEOs are always A heartless, and every citizen is a victim of evil corporations and ; heartless CEOs, and is therefore unjustifiably downtrodden.   D Now, before anyone intends to rant about how the U.S. keeps stickingD its nose into the affairs of other countries, don't bother because IA wish the U.S. would cease its meddling as well.  However, the two C political parties we have in power at the moment believe it's their @ duty to force everyone, other countries and its own citizens andB businesses included, to act in a manner that meets their approval.D This, by the way, is what started this discussion in the first place; .. the fact that the Democrats and Republicans will use any D strong-arm tactic necessary to feed their hunger for power, and they7 don't care how many dead bodies are left in their wake.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2001 13:15:13 -0500 ( From: jkclausen@yahoo.com (John Clausen)+ Subject: Clustering problem....please help. , Message-ID: <3b9bb1b1_1@corp.newsgroups.com>  F Ok,I have printed out and read most of the Cluster manual, it is HUGE!L I have install OpenVMS 7.2 on my VAXstation 4000/60 and set it up as a boot  server.   ( I have it installed with DECnet-PLUS....  K When I add my MicroVAX to the cluster, everything goes fine on the 4000/60   side.   G When I try to boot the MicroVAX II I get hung on the following message:   9 %VAXcluster, XQA is NOT SUPPORTED by the cluster software   G %PEA0, Port Transition Failure - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000000/0000002C    Is this not going to work?8 If so, is there a work around to get the uVAX II booted?   Thanks in advance for the help   John Clausen      > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:36:03 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>/ Subject: Re: Clustering problem....please help. ( Message-ID: <9ngdf1$8nh$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  J Hopefully I get this right. But the situation is this. A microVAX II has a QbusI and there are two ethernet devices for that bus: the DEQNA and the DELQA. H The device names are resp. XQA0: (XQA-0 in NCP) and QNA0 (QNA-0 in NCP).< Support for the XQA0 was withdrawn around VMS 5.4 (?) or so.7 Anyway it is not going to work in your VMS V7.2 set up.    Hans  3 John Clausen <jkclausen@yahoo.com> wrote in message & news:3b9bb1b1_1@corp.newsgroups.com...H > Ok,I have printed out and read most of the Cluster manual, it is HUGE!H > I have install OpenVMS 7.2 on my VAXstation 4000/60 and set it up as a boot	 > server.  > * > I have it installed with DECnet-PLUS.... > L > When I add my MicroVAX to the cluster, everything goes fine on the 4000/60 > side.  > I > When I try to boot the MicroVAX II I get hung on the following message:  > ; > %VAXcluster, XQA is NOT SUPPORTED by the cluster software  > I > %PEA0, Port Transition Failure - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000000/0000002C  >  > Is this not going to work?: > If so, is there a work around to get the uVAX II booted? >   > Thanks in advance for the help >  > John Clausen >  >  > @ > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----C > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! @ > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:40:43 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: Dear HP... ( Message-ID: <9ngdf3$8nh$2@news.IAEhv.nl>  I Don't forget IBM. These guys know how to keep their customers: easy, they J just keep on supporting what their customers want. And charge outrageously for thatH service. And you know what: IBM customers seem to like that approach and actually ask for  more.   K Old fashioned approach, I guess, who on earth listens to a customer base...    Hans  1 ChrisQ <lightwork@aerosys.co.uk> wrote in message ' news:3B9B79A9.4839FB19@aerosys.co.uk...  > Hans Vlems wrote:  > > F > > In short, those that run (ran?) Compaq have no clue what running a businessL > > is about. That is, they watch Wall Street and upon the signals generated
 > > there. > I > Agreed, a classic example of the tail wagging the dog. Seems to me that  the computerL > business is going through a period of self destruction and immolation with results moreH > destructively effective than any "communist plot" could have ever have dreamed about. > J > Once upon a time, their were 4 good computer companies each making  good products whoseH > business was built upon innovation and sound engineering, with a loyal customer base: Dec, K > Tandem, Compaq (ok, but they did make good pc's) and HP. Compaq swallowed  Dec and TandemL > and became smaller. Now, HP have swallowed Compaq and will become smaller. Will HP swallow 0 > itself recursively ?. Where will it all end ?. >  > Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 15:38:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Dear HP... , Message-ID: <3B9BC525.C2D462E2@videotron.ca>   Hans Vlems wrote: K > Don't forget IBM. These guys know how to keep their customers: easy, they L > just keep on supporting what their customers want. And charge outrageously
 > for thatJ > service. And you know what: IBM customers seem to like that approach and > actually ask for  more.   N In the long term, the solid company allows you to build on your infrastructureQ and at one point, you've built so much that moving from it is next to impossible.   L The problem with VMS is that it is not backed by a solid company (and has noE backing) so companies are weary of adding more to their VMS machines, N prefering to build on other platforms whose future is less incertain. The less, the VMS box runs, the easier it is to ditch.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 23:46:24 GMTn) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) ( Subject: HSG80 Agent configuration query/ Message-ID: <3b9bfdc5.4189514@news.wcc.govt.nz>p   Hi All,   D This is not really a VMS Query, but I know there are several folk on2 this news group who seem to understand the HSG80s.  A Our current SAN was set up and configured by external folk so I'm  trying to pick things up..F The HSG80 Agent must be configured as I can talk to the disks from the Local NT (yep - sorry NT) box.F I'm wanting to configure my Workstation to talk to the HSG80. It seems> I've got to add my Workstation as a Client to the HSG80 Agent.  D Going into the Configure Window, it asks for a new password. This isF where I'm confused!. Does it need a new password each time you go into$ the "HS Series Agent Configurator" ?  E I can find plenty of docs on the HSG80 Client & SWCC side but no much 
 on the Agent.e' Any pointers, help greatly appreciated.c   Rob.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:02:25 +0100-5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>8, Subject: RE: HSG80 Agent configuration queryN Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D644@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>   Rob,9 	strictly speaking your waaaay off topic.  But here goes:i  G When you go into the agent config it asks for a password but just clicknE next, you only need to specify a password during install.  It's a bita stoopid really.  t  I There are a few gotchas, if you are using a logical drive as the CCL then * make sure it's not being hit continuously.   Regards, 	Oliver7   Compaq Services SWCC support   -----Original Message-----< From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz [mailto:rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz]) Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:46 AMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComE( Subject: HSG80 Agent configuration query     Hi All,r  D This is not really a VMS Query, but I know there are several folk on2 this news group who seem to understand the HSG80s.  A Our current SAN was set up and configured by external folk so I'm/ trying to pick things up.8F The HSG80 Agent must be configured as I can talk to the disks from the Local NT (yep - sorry NT) box.F I'm wanting to configure my Workstation to talk to the HSG80. It seems> I've got to add my Workstation as a Client to the HSG80 Agent.  D Going into the Configure Window, it asks for a new password. This isF where I'm confused!. Does it need a new password each time you go into$ the "HS Series Agent Configurator" ?  E I can find plenty of docs on the HSG80 Client & SWCC side but no muchu
 on the Agent.:' Any pointers, help greatly appreciated.    Rob.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 23:28:22 -040002 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)N Subject: Re: Is there a VMS command to check if I have cache memory installed?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0909012328220001@user-2ivebjq.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <300820011839025360%spencer@spaamfree.recneps.com>, David. Spencer <spencer@spaamfree.recneps.com> wrote:  I > I have a PWS 600au running VMS 7.2-1. I've recently become aware of thehI > fact that I might be able to get better performance if I installed somefE > cache memory. The problem is, I'm not sure if I _already_ have some  > cache in there.t > H > The machine is in production at a remote location. I'm reluctant to goF > there, shut it down and open the box just to check for it if there's@ > some DCL command or somesuch that I could enter to just let me > know.h > D > Is there indeed any VMS command to display the status of any cache	 > memory?f  I I threw together a small C program that exercises memory in progressivelypI larger chunks, and keeps track of the throughput.  I've run it on several-6 alpha systems, but the results are somewhat confusing.  G On the smaller systems, it is easy to see drops in performance when therI memory chunk gets too big for the on-chip cache, and again when the chunk-G gets too big for the L2 cache.  Both of these changes match what I know5 about the cache sizes.  I On the newer/larger systems, there's no clear indication of the end of L2 G cache.  The process only seems to use 1/4 to 1/2 of the cache, and thenrI performance drops gradually.  I may be bumping into a system parameter oraE process quota that I've not accounted for.  Or I may have non-optimum G layout in physical memory which results in cache collisions.  I'm stilln trying to figure out the cause.A   -- h Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com3   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2001 23:36:47 +0200f* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: LPs on the Web * Message-ID: <3b9be0ef$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  q In article <dba3451e.0108080752.2722e278@posting.google.com>, keithparris_nospam@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:sv >John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message news:<MPG.15c951f3234e9cb98968d@news.bellatlantic.net>...J >> Hmmm.  If you are eligible and can join CSA (~$100-$150/year), then youH >> can get the VMS and/or Tru64 CD distributions (LP+DOCs 4 times a yearD >> plus current O/S kit + any new O/S releases) for about $500/year. >/? >CSA membership is $600 in the US.  The Digital ASAP program it." >repalced was $200 per year, IIRC.  D I recently (no, a couple of months ago) read, that CSA is now at $0., Seems I need to get more intouch with CSA...   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888n< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 23:17:15 GMTs+ From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com>o/ Subject: Re: MicroVAX II - Parity Check Test...p+ Message-ID: <3B9BF0F4.461005F7@ins-msi.com>m   sword7@speakeasy.org wrote:e >  > Hello folks: > J > Good news! I resolved problems with console terminal tests on test #3...F > However, it failed to boot with ?4 message during test #3.  I lookedH > into that debug log file.  I learned that firmware want to test parity > check.  On my screen:r >  > KA630-A.V1.3 >  >    7..6..5..4..3.. > ?4
 > Failure. > I > When it set up MSER<2> (Write Wrong Parity), then put a trap on desired C > location to try to read.  When it attempts to read, Machine-Check-I > exception occured with parity error settings on MSER and CEAR register.  > 7 > MOVB #03,@#MSER          <- Enable wrong parity writed< > MOVL #55555555,@#FF0000  <- Put a trap on location FF0000.* > MOVB #01,@#MSER          <- Turn off it.= > MOVL @#FF0000,R5         <- Machine-Check Exception occurs.   D What's in the Machine Check Error Summary Register, IPR 38(decimal)? WhatD are the values in the Machine Check Parameter Block on the stack? In case& you don't have the layout: (longwords)      sp:  byte count         machine check code#         most recent virtual addressr"         internal state information
         pc         pslk   Also what's in the MSER?  G > Does anyone know parity check alogrithm?  I believe that parity check-  > slows down my emulation or so. >  > Thank you! >  > -- Tim Stark >  > --4 > Timothy Stark   <><     Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgL > --------------------------------------------------------------------------G > "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that J > whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.0 > Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)  
 Jeff Campbello n8wxs@arrl.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 02:26:09 -0000d From: sword7@speakeasy.org/ Subject: Re: MicroVAX II - Parity Check Test...t/ Message-ID: <tpo961mi9atjb3@corp.supernews.com>   ; In comp.os.vms Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> wrote:cF > What's in the Machine Check Error Summary Register, IPR 38(decimal)? > WhatF > are the values in the Machine Check Parameter Block on the stack? In > case( > you don't have the layout: (longwords)   >    sp:  byte count >         machine check code% >         most recent virtual address $ >         internal state information >         pc
 >         psla  D I already know that but I am figuring how to implement parity check  alogrithm...   -- Tim Stark   -- n, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:42:31 -0700* From: "Welsh, John" <John.Welsh@Avnet.com>' Subject: Missed Info-VAX emails........hG Message-ID: <FD833ACB0214D511B9B20004ACC5766B011522E8@asia01.avnet.com>    Gang,r7 	I seem to have missed all Info-VAX emails from approx. ' 	07:00 last Wednesday morning till now.o  5 	I don't know what happened but I resubscribed and am  	receiving emails again.  ; 	Is there an Archive site that I can go to to retrive thoseu 	that I missed ?????   Regards, John Welsh.u Integration Manager. AVNET Computer Marketing.i Enterprise Solutions Division. Unit A,  22-24 College St. Gladesville.     NSW.   2111.t
 Australia. Phone:   61 2 8877 0752, Fax:	 61 2 8877 0720 mailto:john.welsh@avnet.com        	a   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Sep 2001 03:58:27 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)t+ Subject: Re: Missed Info-VAX emails........i' Message-ID: <9nhdp3$db4$1@joe.rice.edu>n  ) Welsh, John (John.Welsh@Avnet.com) wrote:t : Gang,'9 : 	I seem to have missed all Info-VAX emails from approx.e) : 	07:00 last Wednesday morning till now.p :w7 : 	I don't know what happened but I resubscribed and ama : 	receiving emails again. :o= : 	Is there an Archive site that I can go to to retrive those  : 	that I missed ?????   Go to :y  1    http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_searche  @ and do a search for comp.os.vms articles from September 5, 2001.   --Jerry Leslie   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 20:01:09 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e$ Subject: More VMS Wish List Items...' Message-ID: <3B9C10D5.97D506CF@fsi.net>t   DCL:   READA - Add a /ONE_CHARACTER qualifier that accepts a single keystroke,v$   ala the DEC BASIC INKEY$ function.D - Add a /COUNT=n qualifier to specify how many characters to expect.   Misc.:   SCSI driver(s)D - Add support for QIC and Travan drives (back port to V6.2 or as far   back as possible) F - Add official support for SCSI removable discs including Zip and Jaz &   from Iomega and Orb from Castlewood.  G I'm sure I'll think of more. Sorry to sound like a beggar, but maybe wee- can get some of these. Can't hurt to ask, eh?o   --   David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 15:28:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesy, Message-ID: <3B9BC2D9.81772B6B@videotron.ca>   Paul Sture wrote:-O > Dunno much about C and Unix, but from the VAX calling standard point of view:o > M > When passing integers to subroutines by reference (the default in VMS), the9L > endianness is all important. If you want to pass an Integer:4 to a routineF > expecting an Integer:2 or Integer:1, it works fine because the leastB > significant byte is in position 0 (which is the address passed).    L But isn't that tantamount to a latent bug in your program when you do that ?J Besides, doesn't the C compiler complain now when you pass the wrong sized argument to a subroutine ? X  C My question still stands though: How much work would be required tor; compile/build Tru64 in big endian mode on that IA64 thing ?     J Is it likely that instead of porting Tru64 to IA64, HP will decide to port+ Tru64 FEATURES/Utilities to HP-UX on IA64 ?n  L Would changing the HPUX file system to get the Tru64 one (modified to run inL the correct endianness) be a major change for exsiting HP-UX owners who willL have already begun to use IA64 boxes by the time the "merging" of Tru64 into HP-UX becomes real ?  M However, from a Tru64 point of view, it would make sense to port its featurestM to HP-UX instead of porting the whole OS. Afterwards, customers could move toeF HP-UX on IA64, retain all the features they needed and then use a moreL mainstream version of UNIX. HP would then have a single version of Unix. AndJ those who don't want to move can stay on Alpha for another 5-10 years with Tru64 in maintenance mode.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:27:13 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>n Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesi' Message-ID: <9ngfoc$m4$1@pyrite.mv.net>p  3 "Peter da Silva" <peter@abbnm.com> wrote in messageC news:9nfogl$m5q@web.nmti.com...aJ > In article <9nel2f$m1j$1@pyrite.mv.net>, Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:J > > 1)  Forget about transparently mingling Tru64 nodes and HP-UX nodes in the  > > same cluster:h > I > Forget about transparently mingling HP-UX and Windows nodes in the sameIK > cluster, too. Microsoft may well be the ten ton gorilla that forces HP-UXE > to make an endian flip.   H Possibly.  But another option is to create a common file system that canI handle mixed endianness, assume that applications that themselves need totH run mixed-endian will be written handle their own internal data properlyC (possibly by making it endian-neutral, which can be inefficient buttJ eliminates the need for endian-sensitive code), and define a heterogeneousD node community that's somewhat less tightly-coupled than the current definition of a cluster.  K There are a lot of situations in which this would address needs at least asiL well as current clustering does (at the cost of somewhat messier management,I unless new software were created to mask the heterogeneity), and it would H have the advantage of allowing current diverse execution environments to> continue to exist and cooperate (i.e., coexistence rather than assimilation).   - bill   >a > --- >  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.oG >   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."o; >                                                        --c nicolai@esperi.org >          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:35:10 GMT  From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..coml Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesg8 Message-ID: <lugnptkcq9sp68vjkrhh8gc90d0upo4gqq@4ax.com>  C On 9 Sep 2001 12:49:25 GMT, peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:   P >In article <9nel2f$m1j$1@pyrite.mv.net>, Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:M >> 1)  Forget about transparently mingling Tru64 nodes and HP-UX nodes in theu >> same cluster: > H >Forget about transparently mingling HP-UX and Windows nodes in the sameJ >cluster, too. Microsoft may well be the ten ton gorilla that forces HP-UX >to make an endian flip.  6 how many 'popular' big-endian Unices are in use today?  9 I was under the (mistaken) impression that little-endian H unix was more common ?   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Sep 2001 01:30:53 GMT& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gates-% Message-ID: <9nh54d$avi@web.nmti.com>0  8 In article <lugnptkcq9sp68vjkrhh8gc90d0upo4gqq@4ax.com>,#  <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com> wrote:C8 > how many 'popular' big-endian Unices are in use today?  A UNIX isn't either-endian. Solaris comes in both versions.. on the 4 Sparc it's bigendian, on the x86 it's little-endian.  H But since Solaris on Sparc is bigendian, I'd have to say "all the market	 leaders".    -- a+  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva. E   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."rL                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:26:43 +0200s: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>  Subject: Re: SAMBA 2.0.3 in OVMS- Message-ID: <3B9C4F13.53A4891D@volkswagen.de>   b Have you installed the 64bt debugger ADB? It creates a logical LINK to point to LINKER64.EXE, so a( @LINK starts LINKER64.EXE, try @lINK.COM   mike & cheryl marshall wrote:0 > I > ok...i got SAMBA 2.0.3, unzipped it in a dir, looked at the readme...it I > said to type @LINK, then @INSTALL...but at both of these commands i getlE > %RMS-W-RTB, 512 byte record too large for user's buffer...what am i  > missing?...thanks in advance > Mike   -- s  - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regardsn   Karl Rohwedder               kC iT-Ingenieurteam     | Ellernbruch 11       | D-38112 Braunschweig oA Telefon: 0531/515521 | Telefax: 0531/515531 | Mobil: 0172/5434843tE  E-Mail: rohwedder@decus.decus.de           | iT-IngTeam@t-online.de C+          karl.rohwedder@it-ingenieurteam.deT DATEX-P: 4505018005::ROHWEDDER   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 20:03:35 -0500u1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>C  Subject: StorageWorks newsgroup?' Message-ID: <3B9C1167.50214B2B@fsi.net>a  " Is there a StorageWorks newsgroup?  * ...or is comp.sys.dec as close as we come?   -- 0 David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/D   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 20:36:23 GMTg, From: peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter Watkinson) Subject: vms and ide7 Message-ID: <3b9bd21d.14970015@news.cable.ntlworld.com>o   Hi,n  E Will VMS and tru64 boot of ide hard drives? I'm thinking of buying antF LX motherboard and will need to know if vms or tru64 will boot off ide( rather than scsi on one of these boards.D  Also is it possible to boot off a ide cdrom or do i need a scsi for
 that also?  	  regards,r       Peter Watkinson. peterw@u.genie.co.uk http://www.pwnavigate.com/% http://www.windsurf-international.comV http://you.genie.co.uk/peterw/$ http://www.freerider-classifieds.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 15:35:19 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>e Subject: Re: vms and ide+ Message-ID: <3B9BEEA6.24763BBB@caltech.edu>s   Peter Watkinson wrote:   > Hi,  > - > Will VMS and tru64 boot of ide hard drives?    VMS will, at least on a DS10.   F >  Also is it possible to boot off a ide cdrom or do i need a scsi for > that also?   Again, that works on a DS10.  A All that said, the IDE implementation on a VMS DS10 is, to put itiI politely, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, I really, really, really, SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.  I'll spare everybody a repostaE of the timings, but if you want to see them, those for VMS (IDE,SCSI,tE etc.) and a whole bunch of other machines and OS's (most of which are-" vastly faster)  may be found here:  E     ftp://saf.bio.caltech.edu/pub/software/benchmarks/mybenchmark.zipn  I You can  live with the IDE CDROM  if you only ever use it for booting then machine andsF an occasional software installation.  The DS10 is only ATA/33 and it'sC just awful for use as a regular disk under VMS.  (It is so-so underv< Linux, but at least there the file caching hides the generalI horror of it all.)  Spend a little bit more on SCSI and as a bonus you'llt% be able to plug tape drives into yourr? system and you'll be able to back it up and restore it quickly.o   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 15:31:32 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>j> Subject: Re: VMS To Be Squeezed Out Of HP's Strategic Vision ?, Message-ID: <3B9BC392.24B2AB5E@videotron.ca>   Paul Sture wrote:nS > I'd suggest that it is a _much_ larger deal. Not just application data files, butaS > system files. Accounting, UAF and audit files spring immediately to mind, but whyoQ > stop there? Backup savesets, RMS internal structures, the file system itself...w > 6 > Then all the system services and RTL stuff. Shudder!  J OK, if you forget about compatibility with old little endian machines, andF just care about converting your OS to run in big endian mode. Wouldn't0 compilers take care of the vast majority of it ?  K I realise that stuff such as TCPIP stack would have to be scanned to removeLJ all the byte switching since the data would arrive in the right order, but1 would there be any major roadblocks/showstoppers?t   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2001 23:28:47 +0200 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: WHO ARE YOU forum?c* Message-ID: <3b9bdf0f$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  U In article <3B703C40.7B4B3448@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:-O >I heard that Doug just finished the script of the HHGTTG movie before he died.G   Are you sure ?  E I think, I saw a couple of years ago, the first (one or two) episodestJ of a HHGTTG TV series. I don't know where they ran or wherefrom they stem. Maybe I was only dreaming ;-)s   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.503 ************************