1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 11 Sep 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 505       Contents:; Re: A very sad moment.! - Side note to Perkin Elmer systems  Advertising  Re: Advertising  Re: Advertising  Re: Advertising  Any news from DECUS? Re: Any news from DECUS? Re: Any news from DECUS? Re: Compaq strikes back  Re: Compaq strikes back  Re: Compaq strikes back , Re: Compaq to add non-MS icons to Windows XP Re: DECRAM in OpenVMS  Re: DECRAM in OpenVMS 6 Re: Elsa Gloria Synergy Graphics Controller in my DS10 Re: EV7 will never ship? Future Of VMS ?  Re: Future Of VMS ?  Re: Good bye VAX-6400's 3 Re: HP-UX will not be ported to Alpha (no surprise) 3 Re: HP-UX will not be ported to Alpha (no surprise) 3 Re: HP-UX will not be ported to Alpha (no surprise) 3 Re: HP-UX will not be ported to Alpha (no surprise) 3 Re: HP-UX will not be ported to Alpha (no surprise) 7 Re: HP-UX will not be ported to Alpha (no surprise)exit # Re: HSG80 Agent configuration query  Re: Hybrid system in a cluster Re: Hybrid system in a cluster Re: Hybrid system in a cluster Re: Hybrid system in a cluster Re: Hybrid system in a cluster- Re: Is the Tru64 port to Itanium now history? $ Is www.openvms.compaq.com   down ???( Re: Is www.openvms.compaq.com   down ???( Re: Is www.openvms.compaq.com   down ???( Re: Is www.openvms.compaq.com   down ???( Re: Is www.openvms.compaq.com   down ???( Re: Is www.openvms.compaq.com   down ???& Re: MicroVAX II - Parity Check Test...& Re: MicroVAX II - Parity Check Test... Re: More VMS Wish List Items...  Re: More VMS Wish List Items...  Re: More VMS Wish List Items...  Re: mount dismount status  moving app to x,y location OpenVMS + HP> Re: OT: Bush administration drops effort to break up Microsoft Re: RIP Bill Gates Testing  Re: Testing 6 The Register: For hire: Compaq's iPaq engineering team: Re: The Register: For hire: Compaq's iPaq engineering team7 Unaligned memory access (Was: Re: EV7 will never ship?) # Re: VaxStation 3100 Install Problem & Re: VMS 7.2 / CMU-IP6.6.5K FTP problem5 Re: VMS To Be Squeezed Out Of HP's Strategic Vision ? 
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 Re: vmstar' Weak FUD (Was: Re: The Future of VMS ?)  Re: WHO ARE YOU forum?$ Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaq  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:35:43 GMT " From: Art Rice <arice@myhouse.org>D Subject: Re: A very sad moment.! - Side note to Perkin Elmer systems9 Message-ID: <Nman7.3280$9p.651243@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>    Jerry Leslie wrote:   J > Jan Vorbrueggen (jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) wrote:2 > : taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate) writes: > : I > : > (b) the core systems for the Houston control center for Apollo moon  > : > mission. > : L > : AFAIR reading, that was a cluster of four IBM 370/168 machines running aJ > : special real-time monitor to do the data distribution and display, and8 > : some more normal 370s for planning and calculations. > : ! > There's a photo of the RTCC at:  > ? >   http://www.ibm.com/news/ls/1999/07/photoarchive/index.phtml  > C > Univac 1108s were used to run offline programs such as the Apollo L > Reference Mission Planning program. Univac 490s and 494s handled telemetry > data.  >  > --Jerry Leslie > I Univac 494s were also used for message switching at Goddard Space Center. ! Gotta love that drum storage. :>) I Also had a LARGE room filled with IBM 360's for telemetry and scheduling.  --   Art Rice Tandem Admin Special Data Processing Corp ----------------------------* All opinions are my own and do not reflect* the views of the above mentioned employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Sep 2001 11:33:53 -07001 From: jason_odonnell@erinet.com (Jason O'Donnell)  Subject: Advertising< Message-ID: <5c8ffd05.0109101033.62ee8e4@posting.google.com>  C I just saw an IBM Linux Server commercial.  I have been a UNIX (and + its flavors) administrator, UNIX is no VMS.   D To me the quality of OpenVMS is self-evident, but the general publicF is completely unaware of it.  We need to have OpenVMS marketed like it should be marketed.   < I have two suggestions for how we can get this accomplished:  E Everyone write a letter to Carly extolling the virtues of OpenVMS and $ requesting that it be well marketed.  F With Compaq at $10 as share, everyone on this board should buy as muchF as possible.  Whether the sale goes through or not, we could establish@ a big enough share of the company to make our presence felt.  WeA establish one person as our proxy to attend meetings on OpenVMS's 4 behalf.  We can try to push the corporate direction.   JMOD   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:46:18 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: Advertising@ Message-ID: <20010910184618.34472.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>  ( I think I cannont but Compaq shares !=20. I would like to buy OpenVMS shares. But I am a5 foreinger, so I think it is not possible for me ! :-)    Regards    FC=20 6 --- Jason O'Donnell <jason_odonnell@erinet.com> wrote:4 > I just saw an IBM Linux Server commercial.  I have > been a UNIX (and- > its flavors) administrator, UNIX is no VMS.  >=203 > To me the quality of OpenVMS is self-evident, but  > the general public/ > is completely unaware of it.  We need to have  > OpenVMS marketed like it > should be marketed.  >=200 > I have two suggestions for how we can get this > accomplished:  >=200 > Everyone write a letter to Carly extolling the > virtues of OpenVMS and& > requesting that it be well marketed. >=205 > With Compaq at $10 as share, everyone on this board  > should buy as much5 > as possible.  Whether the sale goes through or not,  > we could establish/ > a big enough share of the company to make our  > presence felt.  We6 > establish one person as our proxy to attend meetings > on OpenVMS's6 > behalf.  We can try to push the corporate direction. >=20 > JMOD     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?L Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger=   http://im.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:46:32 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: Advertising@ Message-ID: <20010910184632.96080.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>  ( I think I cannont but Compaq shares !=20. I would like to buy OpenVMS shares. But I am a5 foreinger, so I think it is not possible for me ! :-)    Regards    FC=20 6 --- Jason O'Donnell <jason_odonnell@erinet.com> wrote:4 > I just saw an IBM Linux Server commercial.  I have > been a UNIX (and- > its flavors) administrator, UNIX is no VMS.  >=203 > To me the quality of OpenVMS is self-evident, but  > the general public/ > is completely unaware of it.  We need to have  > OpenVMS marketed like it > should be marketed.  >=200 > I have two suggestions for how we can get this > accomplished:  >=200 > Everyone write a letter to Carly extolling the > virtues of OpenVMS and& > requesting that it be well marketed. >=205 > With Compaq at $10 as share, everyone on this board  > should buy as much5 > as possible.  Whether the sale goes through or not,  > we could establish/ > a big enough share of the company to make our  > presence felt.  We6 > establish one person as our proxy to attend meetings > on OpenVMS's6 > behalf.  We can try to push the corporate direction. >=20 > JMOD     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?L Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger=   http://im.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:05:10 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  Subject: Re: Advertising( Message-ID: <9nj2r4$ek5$1@pyrite.mv.net>  > "Jason O'Donnell" <jason_odonnell@erinet.com> wrote in message6 news:5c8ffd05.0109101033.62ee8e4@posting.google.com...   ...   G > Everyone write a letter to Carly extolling the virtues of OpenVMS and & > requesting that it be well marketed.  J I'm afraid you've arrived at this party just a bit late.  People have beenJ doing this kind of thing, first with DEC, then with Compaq, for the betterL part of a decade now.  It doesn't work, and there's no indication that CarlyH is a cut above the people we've been dealing with before (not to mention9 even farther from any personal knowledge of the product).    > H > With Compaq at $10 as share, everyone on this board should buy as muchH > as possible.  Whether the sale goes through or not, we could establishB > a big enough share of the company to make our presence felt.  WeC > establish one person as our proxy to attend meetings on OpenVMS's 6 > behalf.  We can try to push the corporate direction.  I 'Try' being the correct term, and with about zero chance of success.  And E buying stock at this point will only make it look as if the market is D starting to approve of the merger, which is likely not in VMS's best
 interests.  I Whereas if Compaq's value drops sufficiently, the HP shareholders will be J inclined to scrap the merger (if they don't simply because of the hit HP'sC *own* stock price is taking because of it), and the Compaq Board of K Directors will be hard-pressed not to get rid of Capellas & Co. and replace @ them with people a bit more amenable to persuasion by customers.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:03:38 GMT & From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Any news from DECUS? > Message-ID: <eFbn7.130850$aZ.18343680@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  G Any inspiring speeches?  Any confidence building announcements?  Is the  Update.Daily up on the web? J (I tried calling it CETS, but that was too hard for me to get used to, and5 it is bound to change now anyway.  So, DECUS it is!).    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 02:53:39 GMT * From: "David Cressey" <david@dcressey.com>! Subject: Re: Any news from DECUS? 6 Message-ID: <T0fn7.695$Iw2.29491@petpeeve.ziplink.net>   John,   # Is that as in "The SUN never CETS"?  -- Regards,     David Cressey      www.dcressey.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:47:58 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: Any news from DECUS? ' Message-ID: <3B9D896E.D0FE0D9E@fsi.net>    David Cressey wrote: >  > John,  > % > Is that as in "The SUN never CETS"?  > --
 > Regards, >     David Cressey  >     www.dcressey.com  & I nominate this for Post of the Month!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:43:52 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>   Subject: Re: Compaq strikes back' Message-ID: <3B9D7A68.135F38EB@fsi.net>    Michael wrote: > G > Hi. Don't know if this is old news to you, but I went to compaq's web H > site...and they are accepting Sun computers as trade-ins for new Alpha > machines. D > (I don't think this will help them too much...too little too late)   I.e., S.O.P.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 03:29:05 GMT 1 From: Ed Wensell III <ewensell3@yahoo.commercial>   Subject: Re: Compaq strikes back0 Message-ID: <3B9D83B0.B36A2505@yahoo.commercial>   Michael wrote: > G > Hi. Don't know if this is old news to you, but I went to compaq's web H > site...and they are accepting Sun computers as trade-ins for new Alpha > machines. D > (I don't think this will help them too much...too little too late)  F FWIW, Sun has been accepting any system as trade-in fodder for several& years... Yup, too little way too late.  D Recently Sun has also opened up what can be traded for what. The webG page will only let you trade workstations for workstations, servers for @ servers, storage for storage, etc... However, if you talk to theF exchange folks directly, they'll let you trade multiple storage arrays6 for servers, multiple workstations for storage, etc...  G What I'd like to know is what Sun/Compaq/et al do with the competiitive C tradeins. Sun can recycle Sun hardware, but what happens to all the 8 Compaq stuff they get and vice versa? Ebay/uBid perhaps?   --   Ed Wensell III" http://www.geocities.com/ewensell35 E-mail address slightly bunged. You've been warned...    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 04:30:01 GMT * From: cjt & trefoil <cheljuba@prodigy.net>  Subject: Re: Compaq strikes back+ Message-ID: <3B9D9324.D3019B23@prodigy.net>    Ed Wensell III wrote:  >  <snip>I > What I'd like to know is what Sun/Compaq/et al do with the competiitive E > tradeins. Sun can recycle Sun hardware, but what happens to all the : > Compaq stuff they get and vice versa? Ebay/uBid perhaps? >  <snip>  " my guess would be metal extraction   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Sep 2001 20:25:00 GMT# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu 5 Subject: Re: Compaq to add non-MS icons to Windows XP * Message-ID: <9nj7is$bo$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>  ' paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:  >And since they have now been O >kissed on the four cheeks by your new President's administration, aren't they  . >allowed to do anything they damned well like?  C They haven't been.  The appeals court made it clear that a break up B was not really in the cards, the Justice dept. did cede one point A but AFAIK MS remains convicted of monopoly with the sol'n to that  to be decided by a lower court.   ) Unless the Supreme Ct. takes teh case ...    >Regards, Paddy  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:19:36 GMT ( From: "Michael Sjgren" <mixi@chello.se> Subject: Re: DECRAM in OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <Yu7n7.4310$_J1.159211@nntp1.chello.se>    Thank you all!7 sending your replies back to the 'puter eggzperts here!  regards  Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:39:13 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: DECRAM in OpenVMS' Message-ID: <3B9D7951.E4EB92C9@fsi.net>    "Michael Sjgren" wrote: >  > Thank you all!9 > sending your replies back to the 'puter eggzperts here!   
 Egg spurts...    Nah - don't go there.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:30:47 +0200   From: Cor Mom <cor.mom@momss.nl>? Subject: Re: Elsa Gloria Synergy Graphics Controller in my DS10 ( Message-ID: <3B9D9377.4D7F661E@momss.nl>  . Finally I have discovered the problem. In fileF DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM one can change the default value of someF global DECwindows symbols. In this file there was a statement that the@ default value of DECW$SERVER_TRANSPORTS == "DECNET,LOCAL". AfterD changing this symbol to "LOCAL,DECNET" everything worked properly. I- wonder if anybody has seen this problem also.    Regards,   Cor Mom      Cor Mom wrote: >  > Hi,  > D > I know this question has been asked before, but I haven't seen the > proper answer. > I > I have installed OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 on a AlphaServer DS10. The system F > contains an Elsa Gloria Synergy Graphics Controller. I installed theF > VMS721_UPDATE-V0300 patch, which includes the graphic driver. I also; > checked the MGMT24 in the FAQ and made the changes in the H > DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM. I changed the console to serial. SYSGENH > parameter WINDOW_SYSTEM = 1. The DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG is completely > empty. > J > After the system reboots, it comes up, but with a clear (blue) graphicalH > screen with the cursor in top-left position. DECwindows is running andI > also a _WSA0: process that is running image LOGINOUT.EXE. The graphicals > screen remains empty.? > B > Does any one know what I missed? The rest of the system is fine. >  > Thanks in advance. > 	 > Cor Momp   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:44:54 -0400i' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>l! Subject: Re: EV7 will never ship?e( Message-ID: <9nj1ku$djq$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3B9CFB89.BC0F4FAD@videotron.ca...   ...p  H > This is why I feel that the HP and Compaq funeral announcement is good newsI > for EV7 because I think that HP will keep Tru64 on Alpha while HP-UP is B > upgraded on IA64 to allow painless migration from Tru64-Alpha to HP-UX-IA64.n  K That this is what they plan to do now seems to be becoming clear.  What you K still fail to grasp (despite several explanations) is that a migration fromsI little-endian to big-endian is *by definition* not 'painless' (though howu- much pain occurs varies among installations).o   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Sep 2001 22:17:50 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)n Subject: Future Of VMS ?' Message-ID: <9nje6e$e5p$1@joe.rice.edu>c Keywords: vms,hp,carly  # A friend and former coworker wrote:   G   "When Carly publicly says it's valuable and what she will do with it..    Until then, assume dead."  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 00:31:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Future Of VMS ?, Message-ID: <3B9D93B3.B371B96D@videotron.ca>   Jerry Leslie wrote:o% > A friend and former coworker wrote:eI >   "When Carly publicly says it's valuable and what she will do with it.W >    Until then, assume dead."   I woudln't go so far.l  L "Until then, assume VMS is put in essentially maintenance mode on Alpha only foir the next 10 years".     Is MPE being ported to IA64 ?(   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:20:59 +0930PA From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux>-  Subject: Re: Good bye VAX-6400's2 Message-ID: <Zddn7.3121$iH4.223333@ozemail.com.au>  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message3 news:Po1n7.4656$BS1.665312@news20.bellglobal.com...p >1? > On 2001.09.05 our apps had been running for four weeks on thebD > AlphaServer-4120, so we decided to decommission our two VAX-6400s. >eD > As the machines were rolled out of our computer room, I decided to removeE > the gray plastic "Digital" name plate from the front doors and also  pocketedG > the very cool digital-branded chrome-plated door key as keep sakes. Ic hadeG > installed these machines when Digital Equipment Corporation was stillr aoH > company and this is truly the end of an era for me. A trouble free one at > that.   E Our 6440 is still our web/mail/proxy/ftp/ntp server and will probablyn& still be so for a couple of years yet.F It too has been trouble free. Not bad considering we got it for nix as# 'obsolete junk' (itwas a 6310 then)a 6 years ago.  C If they haven't been disposed of, there are collectors who would bed# delighted to give them a good home.rB Let me know and I'll put the word in the appropriate mailing list.   Cheers  
 Geoff Roberts- Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie,- South Australia-6 geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au ICQ: 1970476   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:13:39 -04002- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>.< Subject: Re: HP-UX will not be ported to Alpha (no surprise), Message-ID: <3B9D02CC.B9367777@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:iD > We need to see some statements from HP before we can even think ofB > treating them with any degree of reliability. DEC said Alpha andG > Alpha/NT were completely safe when they announced the sale to Compaq.v > What value in these promises?d  N As far as I am conrcerned, VMS and Tru64 have been put on the "mature productsM list" on the day Compaq agreed to cease to exist and give Compaq shareholdersi( some HP shares instead of Compaq shares.  I I will await statements from Carly about the fate of Tru64 and VMS beforehH changing my mind. Statements from ex Compaq employees have absolutely noI value. If Marcello and Gorham's statements about VMS weren't reflected by I statement from Winkler and Capellas, then you can't expect HP to start topI reflect their statements since Winkler and Capellas remain as a filtering ( layer between Marcello/Gorham and Carly.    K On the one hand, it is clear that the June 25 announcement of the murder of0H Alpha was done according to the wishes/request of HP, hence the sidelineL announcements of the port of VMS and Tru64 have ~some~ credibility, now thatI the whole cat is out of the bag, I assume that these ports (in particular  Tru64) will be re-evaluated.  M Consider the fact that the VMS engineers had no advance knowledge of the portIN to IA64.  Consider the possibility that HP didn't intend to port Tru64 and VMSJ to IA64, but decided to allow Compaq to announce such ports at the June 25F murder announcement as a PR measure to appease customers. Consider theL possibility that at the time of the port announcement (which was just a sideF line to the real announcement ofthe deal with intel), HP knew that theN technical feasability of such ports were irrelevant because they would quietlyK be cancelled a few months later. That would explain why the engineers would > not have been involved prior to the Alpha murder announcement.  K Conseider that with EV7, they may be able to supply existing customers withsI Alphas for another 10-15 years. (as was done with VAX). Consider that one I interpretation of DII-CEO is that HP will support existing VMS customer's L configurations for X number of years (as opposed to a commitment to continue1 to market and sell the OS for X number of years).M  K It is perfectly feasable in my opinion, that VMS will stay on Alpha for the3I next 5 years, after which, it may be declared mature and sales of VMS and_  alpha stopped 10 years from now.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:20:54 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> < Subject: Re: HP-UX will not be ported to Alpha (no surprise), Message-ID: <3B9D047E.8BD4580F@videotron.ca>   OK, wild speculation:u  M Would it be possible that HP intends to merge VMS into HP-UX instead of Tru64oM ? Consider that VMS is a superset of Tru64. So if you're going to want to get : the best of clustering, DLM etc, why not get it from VMS ?  M Heck, with the "unix compatibility" stuff that the VMS engineers are supposedcM to be working on, it might even make sense to make uVMS  (unix VMS) HP's core L OS and call it a version of Unix. It would have features that would beat theS pants off all other Unix systems and thus give HP a real differentiating advantage.i  L One would simply need to change the file system on VMS to have a single rootK (something which the VMS engineers said they may be able to provide), and avI shell instead of DCL.EXE that gives unix commands/file display syntax ande voila !t  M And a single system might give some users a UNIX shell while others get a DCLo shell !h   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:29:24 -0700 (PDT)u. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>< Subject: Re: HP-UX will not be ported to Alpha (no surprise)@ Message-ID: <20010910182924.38942.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>  
 OpenTrUX ?  + I really think in a strong version of LinuxD. merging Tru64 and HP UX. This HP Linux version( will consolidate both operating systems.    VMS will be VMS for a long time.    MPE will be MPE for a long time.  2 Probably these two OSes engineering groups will=206 work closer because are considered "different business0 OSes". But imagine the improvments in MPE by VMS engineers and vice-versa.o  0 About UNIX (Tru64 and HP UX), they will converge4 to a one brand name. I believe it will be a HP Linux5 like. Caldera bought SCO which havethe Trucluster for0- SCO, now TruCluster for CALDERA OpenLinux.=20@. Red Hat have the great number of applications.4 I dont doubt a merge of these two Linux companies or3 one of them will be bought by Compaq or HP  in this8
 merge period.3  1 But nowadays: what is the real difference betweenw1 Linux and a "corporate linux". In theory a littlen4 difference..... so it is obvius to migrate the Tru64# and HP UX to the HP Linux for IA64.    Regard     FC=20p              2 --- JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > OK, wild speculation:a >=203 > Would it be possible that HP intends to merge VMSt > into HP-UX instead of Tru64t3 > ? Consider that VMS is a superset of Tru64. So ifi > you're going to want to getn6 > the best of clustering, DLM etc, why not get it from > VMS ?r >=204 > Heck, with the "unix compatibility" stuff that the > VMS engineers are supposed4 > to be working on, it might even make sense to make > uVMS  (unix VMS) HP's core1 > OS and call it a version of Unix. It would haveo > features that would beat the5 > pants off all other Unix systems and thus give HP a ! > real differentiating advantage.  >=204 > One would simply need to change the file system on > VMS to have a single rooto5 > (something which the VMS engineers said they may bee > able to provide), and aM* > shell instead of DCL.EXE that gives unix" > commands/file display syntax and	 > voila !i >=202 > And a single system might give some users a UNIX > shell while others get a DCL	 > shell !      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DiL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dl F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Di  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?L Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger=   http://im.yahoo.comg   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:54:53 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> < Subject: Re: HP-UX will not be ported to Alpha (no surprise)( Message-ID: <9nj27l$eb7$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3B9D047E.8BD4580F@videotron.ca... > OK, wild speculation:-  $ It sounds more like complete drivel.   >>I > Would it be possible that HP intends to merge VMS into HP-UX instead of  Tru64 K > ? Consider that VMS is a superset of Tru64. So if you're going to want to  get2< > the best of clustering, DLM etc, why not get it from VMS ?  G Because the 'convergence' of HP-UX and Tru64 is a fig-leaf to offer theiD otherwise-completely-abandoned Tru64 customer base - a fig-leaf thatK potentially requires just about zero implementation effort (though if thereyD are some Tru64 features that HP actually wants in HP-UX, so much the better).  K By contrast, the combination of porting VMS to Itanic (something that alone:L is projected to take around 3 years) *and* adding the effort to change it toH a big-endian system (work emphatically *not* contemplated in that 3-yearJ estimate) *and* implementing a *complete* HP-UX facade on it (to the pointD that existing HP-UX manuals would correctly describe how to install,G configure, and use it) is so immense that no informed individual in his - right mind would contemplate it for a second.s   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Sep 2001 21:15:26 GMT& From: zaitcev@yahoo.com (Pete Zaitcev)< Subject: Re: HP-UX will not be ported to Alpha (no surprise)= Message-ID: <slrn9pqbbf.gt2.zaitcev@devserv.devel.redhat.com>-  > > Would it be possible that HP intends to merge VMS into HP-UX= > instead of Tru64? Consider that VMS is a superset of Tru64.R   JF, stick to space statons. :)  : Actually, no, I suddently understood what kind of reactionA your and my postings to sci.space.station caused in professionals ( such as rk and Henry Spencer. Shudder...   -- Petes   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Sep 2001 15:52:08 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)W@ Subject: Re: HP-UX will not be ported to Alpha (no surprise)exit3 Message-ID: <Fy6Y$+Qqi5az@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  ` In article <nbnpptcdos7krq7gcgtd2jjh2p4nkeqc5p@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:F > On 10 Sep 2001 10:05:06 -0500, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) > wrote: >  >  >>A >>	That's right.  But the merged company has Blackmore heading upg  >>	the part he is talking about: > F > I know that which is why it is even stranger that he decided to talk& > about Compaq's plans rather than HPs >  >>N >>"A $23 billion IT Infrastructure business, encompassing servers, storage andM >>software, to be led by Peter Blackmore, currently Executive Vice President,m! >>Sales and Services, of Compaq."  >>. >> 	Now I suppose CEO/President/BOD might comeG >>	along and say:  "You can't do that" essentially emasculating him and I >>	getting the new corporation off to a rip-roaring start.  But normally,9B >>	that isn't the way things work.  Normally , if you are assignedG >>	responsibilies at a division level those above you at the very least  >>	let you make a go of it.u > G > True but , I repeat, he did not sign the letter in that position. YourE > have to read for what Compaq don't say as much as they do say in myn
 > opinion. >   D 	But he obviously can't speak of anything but Compaq plans.  When/if= 	he moves into his designated role at HP , one of two things:W  1 		1)  Plans outlined as we read today take place.> 		2)  They get modifiedn 		3)  They get ditched  ? 	2 and 3 have some measure of risk.  If 3) takes place, that isP> 	not a good thing all around as someone points back to what he5 	is saying today:  "See... see.. the sky is falling."e   >>J >>	BTW, it is  a "merger" in the strictest sense as the deal goes down as J >>	a "stock swap", HP isn't working a buyout... that word doesn't show up  >>	anywhere. > G > Technically the DEC/.Compaq deal was a merger as well was it not? Buts
 > in reality.r >   ? 	Who knows.. a quick check shows cash and stock was involved in09 	the "purchase" and the word purchase pops up everywhere.    					Rob   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:42:10 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>, Subject: Re: HSG80 Agent configuration query+ Message-ID: <VA.0000043a.004a6564@sture.ch>-   In article 1K <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D644@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>, Oliver   Steeples wrote:C > Rob,; >  strictly speaking your waaaay off topic.  But here goes:S > I > When you go into the agent config it asks for a password but just click G > next, you only need to specify a password during install.  It's a biti > stoopid really.  J > K > There are a few gotchas, if you are using a logical drive as the CCL thent, > make sure it's not being hit continuously. > 
 > Regards,	 >  Oliver  >  > Compaq Services SWCC support >  > -----Original Message-----> > From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz [mailto:rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz]+ > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:46 AMi > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr* > Subject: HSG80 Agent configuration query > 	 > Hi All,e > F > This is not really a VMS Query, but I know there are several folk on4 > this news group who seem to understand the HSG80s. > C > Our current SAN was set up and configured by external folk so I'm" > trying to pick things up.IH > The HSG80 Agent must be configured as I can talk to the disks from the  > Local NT (yep - sorry NT) box.H > I'm wanting to configure my Workstation to talk to the HSG80. It seems@ > I've got to add my Workstation as a Client to the HSG80 Agent. > F > Going into the Configure Window, it asks for a new password. This isH > where I'm confused!. Does it need a new password each time you go into& > the "HS Series Agent Configurator" ? > G > I can find plenty of docs on the HSG80 Client & SWCC side but no much. > on the Agent.n) > Any pointers, help greatly appreciated.S >  > Rob. >D   ___V
 Paul Sture Switzerlande   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:54:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o' Subject: Re: Hybrid system in a clusterd, Message-ID: <3B9CFE6D.31430908@videotron.ca>   Howard S Shubs wrote:iN > > Can I have the cluster consist with EV5 and EV6 machines? I am running VMS
 > > 7.2-1. > 0 > Yes.  That's not "hybrid"; they're all Alphas.  K What about the issue of newer Alpha having a different instruction orderingmM (or whatevever) mechanism which require images that were compiled with a moregN recent compiler ? (ref: recent thread when customer was told that to move fromE one EV to a more recent Alpha, he would have to recompile programs) ?h  K I realise that this is not a show stopper, but one would have to be carefuloH with this to ensure that old images don't get executed by the new Alpha,  unless they also get recompiled.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Sep 2001 13:27:21 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a' Subject: Re: Hybrid system in a clusterr3 Message-ID: <0EMY76D+CfvV@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  [ In article <3B9CFDC8.273C117@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  > Hans Vlems wrote: $ >> You can add a VAX to if you like.J >> Basically, the hardware itself does not matter. What does matter is the- >> VMS release, or rather a mix of releases. 6 > N > When you add a VAX to an ALPHA cluster, can an ALPHA node act as a boot nodeM > for the VAX ? If so, how are all the VAX images that would normally be in a - > shared SYS$COMMON on the boot node stored ? " > Is there a separate SYS$COMMON ?  C    VAX and Alpha can act as boot nodes for each other, however they0G    cannot share system disks.  OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS VAX must be on     different disks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:10:38 -0400r5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>s' Subject: Re: Hybrid system in a cluster / Message-ID: <yf8n7.98$YP.5089@news.cpqcorp.net>o  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3B9CFE6D.31430908@videotron.ca>...c >Howard S Shubs wrote:K >> > Can I have the cluster consist with EV5 and EV6 machines? I am running- VMS- >> > 7.2-1.a >>1 >> Yes.  That's not "hybrid"; they're all Alphas.r > L >What about the issue of newer Alpha having a different instruction orderingI >(or whatevever) mechanism which require images that were compiled with ac moreJ >recent compiler ? (ref: recent thread when customer was told that to move fromF >one EV to a more recent Alpha, he would have to recompile programs) ? >hL >I realise that this is not a show stopper, but one would have to be carefulI >with this to ensure that old images don't get executed by the new Alpha,r! >unless they also get recompiled.m  F Code supplied by VMS has been "cleaned" of any potential EV6 problems.  J The "new" images should work on the old hardware.  We (VMS) seldom compileJ code in a CPU specific manner, and use the generic mode for the compilers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:11:16 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>' Subject: Re: Hybrid system in a clustere( Message-ID: <9nj6p8$i7f$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  F The answer is different system disks. I once booted an Alpha 1200 fromH a VAX6310 server. You can build a more or less generic system disk on an	 Alpha andwE make an image backup. VAX/VMS rolls it out onto one of its own disks.t( LANACP will do the rest. It's real easy.   Hans  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3B9CFDC8.273C117@videotron.ca...- > Hans Vlems wrote: % > > You can add a VAX to if you like.:K > > Basically, the hardware itself does not matter. What does matter is the - > > VMS release, or rather a mix of releases.o >aI > When you add a VAX to an ALPHA cluster, can an ALPHA node act as a bootD nodeK > for the VAX ? If so, how are all the VAX images that would normally be int an- > shared SYS$COMMON on the boot node stored ?i" > Is there a separate SYS$COMMON ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 05:07:56 GMTe From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..coml' Subject: Re: Hybrid system in a clusterc8 Message-ID: <8e6rpt4avp42pqbi2jp2gf4jl7kdh1drse@4ax.com>  , On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:54:59 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:o   >Howard S Shubs wrote:O >> > Can I have the cluster consist with EV5 and EV6 machines? I am running VMSS >> > 7.2-1.n >> m1 >> Yes.  That's not "hybrid"; they're all Alphas.s >tL >What about the issue of newer Alpha having a different instruction orderingN >(or whatevever) mechanism which require images that were compiled with a moreO >recent compiler ? (ref: recent thread when customer was told that to move fromeF >one EV to a more recent Alpha, he would have to recompile programs) ? > L >I realise that this is not a show stopper, but one would have to be carefulI >with this to ensure that old images don't get executed by the new Alpha,d! >unless they also get recompiled.   7 my experience has been, that one also has to be carefulp0 w/ if compiles were done w/ optimizations/tuning= targeted at a 'newer' processor, but the exes run on an olderw
 processor.  B ie, I've (accidently) run exes from a EV6 system, C apps compiled 9 with /ARCH=HOST/OPT=(INLINE=AUTOM,LEV=4,UNROLL=0,TUN=HOS)n" on a EV56.   no joy.  accvio-city.B (in this example, the EV56, EV6 sysdisks were backup/image clones)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:41:08 -0000i- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)t6 Subject: Re: Is the Tru64 port to Itanium now history?7 Message-ID: <9118BBA8Ewarrenspencer1977@207.126.101.97>n  F billtodd@foo.mv.com (Bill Todd) wrote in <9nitai$1ej$1@pyrite.mv.net>:  G >The Inquirer has some new articles today which have been cited in somehA >comp.os.vms discussion, but a major point hasn't surfaced there:l >s( >http://www.theinquirer.net/10090107.htm >A  
 -- snip --  B From the above document, I get worried about statements like this:  J "Our commitment is to continue implementing our OpenVMS plan-of-record..."  J thereby implying there are multiple plans; the "plan-of-record" being the @ one we hear about - until they change it to the one Carly wants.  
 Coupled with:   I "As our track record over multiple decades clearly proves, we understand 0K the importance of making any migration as smooth as possible, bringing the 1H benefits of the new platform while minimizing any disruption during the I transition. You have our complete commitment from Compaq in this regard, B% and you should expect nothing less." a  I This "complete commitment" is to a smooth transition, not to the plan-of-dL record.  More weasel words, of little value.  My Kingdom (admittedly small) K to the first Marketeering Weiner who can state facts and back them up with e$ the corresponding corporate actions.   ws   -- S   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)a The Associated Press  L ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements - neither do I  **   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:52:12 -0700 (PDT)e. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>- Subject: Is www.openvms.compaq.com   down ??? @ Message-ID: <20010910175212.27065.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>   I am trying to connect to thef www.openvms.compaq.com....   Is it down ?=20s  ' Is hp changing it to www.openvms.hp.com    or www.openvms-mpe.hp.com=20   or www.openvms.compaq.hp.com ?   Regards-   FC=20-   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DaL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dc F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil- fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Do  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?L Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger=   http://im.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:16:42 -0700 (PDT)s. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>1 Subject: Re: Is www.openvms.compaq.com   down ???r@ Message-ID: <20010910191642.78295.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>  # Compaq changed the OpenVMS homepageL   www.openvms.compaq.com=20O   What horrible ?=20  2 Are you seeing in the left, a black background and1 blue characters ? Is it to turn people blind ?=20      Regardsa FC=20o    3 --- Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:t > I am trying to connect to the  > www.openvms.compaq.com.... >=20 > Is it down ?=20e >=20) > Is hp changing it to www.openvms.hp.coma >=20 > or www.openvms-mpe.hp.com=20 >=20  > or www.openvms.compaq.hp.com ? >=20	 > RegardsA >=20 > FC=20  >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D N > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  > F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brN > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3DL >=204 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?- > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instantd! > messaging with Yahoo! Messenger  > http://im.yahoo.comV     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DoL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dt F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazila fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?L Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger=   http://im.yahoo.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:39:31 +0200t< From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com>1 Subject: Re: Is www.openvms.compaq.com   down ???=( Message-ID: <3B9D16F3.5D63529D@home.com>   I can open it." And with a compleatly new design !% But more or less the same contents...D Jan-Erik Sderholm.=   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > I am trying to connect to the_ > www.openvms.compaq.com....   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:39:58 -0400s- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>.1 Subject: Re: Is www.openvms.compaq.com   down ???,2 Message-ID: <Iy9n7.24341$Z2.326027@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  6 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <noone@home.com> wrote in message" news:3B9D16F3.5D63529D@home.com... > I can open it.$ > And with a compleatly new design !' > But more or less the same contents...3 >...  
 $ SET RANT/ONr  I Yes, I see they still have the idiotic standard of showing us the current G date on the page. I have numerous other ways of finding out the currentdJ date, I do not need Compaq to tell me the date. What I need Compaq to tellI me is the date this page was last modified. Why would any &*()^#$ think Im# need to see the current date???????f  J They also insist on telling me that I am in the United States when I visitL this page. Since the only way to get to this page (other than going directly8 to it) is to start at www.compaq.com (just try to get toJ www.openvms.compaq.com from www.compaq.ca, the Canadian site does not evenH hint that Compaq sells non-NT operating systems) why do they put "UnitedL States" at the top of the page? If they have to put something at the top whyH do they not put "World Wide" or "Corporate Home" or something like that?  H $ SET RANT/OFF/QUALIFIER="If nobody mentions Compaq Analyze to me in the! next 30 minutes"/EXCEPTION=BLOWUPe $ EXIT $BLOWUP: $! You don't want to know.  :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:21:44 -0400e2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)1 Subject: Re: Is www.openvms.compaq.com   down ??? L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1009011821440001@user-2ive73d.dialup.mindspring.com>  1 In article <3B9D16F3.5D63529D@home.com>, Jan-Erik@4 =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com> wrote:   > I can open it.$ > And with a compleatly new design !' > But more or less the same contents...4  $ This one looks better in my browser.  9 But it still isn't even close to validating according to o    http://validator.w3.org/c   -- o Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comn   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Sep 2001 16:35:25 -0700+ From: chris_doran@my-deja.com (Chris Doran)n1 Subject: Re: Is www.openvms.compaq.com   down ???-= Message-ID: <b5f3f0d8.0109101535.6cc99c97@posting.google.com>F  v Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message news:<20010910175212.27065.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>... > I am trying to connect to the1 > www.openvms.compaq.com.... >  > Is it down ? n  C Well, it still works for me (from the UK), but we'd be wise to heedBE the warning and grab anything that might be useful from the DECpaqardaE website _now_. Documentation and downloads on "obsolete" gear are thepE first to go when a site is reorganised, at best to reappear somewherebC obscure in a year's time (with all the "Compaq"s changed to "HP"s).P  C Someone on another NG has just reported that he went to the HP sitecE for a manual on an old HP printer and there it was -- gone -- so this> is no idle threat.   Chriso   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:30:01 -0600f( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com>/ Subject: Re: MicroVAX II - Parity Check Test... + Message-ID: <3B9D06A9.F4CDB95B@ecubics.com>s   sword7@speakeasy.org wrote:e >  > Hello folks:  I > When it set up MSER<2> (Write Wrong Parity), then put a trap on desired C > location to try to read.  When it attempts to read, Machine-CheckuI > exception occured with parity error settings on MSER and CEAR register.f > 7 > MOVB #03,@#MSER          <- Enable wrong parity writeg< > MOVL #55555555,@#FF0000  <- Put a trap on location FF0000.* > MOVB #01,@#MSER          <- Turn off it.= > MOVL @#FF0000,R5         <- Machine-Check Exception occurs.u > G > Does anyone know parity check alogrithm?  I believe that parity checke  > slows down my emulation or so.  E Emulating the parity bit in software is IMHO not a good idea. What we"& did when running into this problem is:  F Since it's save to assume that forced wrong parity writes are the onlyC source of parity errors in the emulator, it's enough to have a flageD indicating the existence of "bad" spots in emulated memory and eg. aC list of these spots. If the above flag is set, access to (physical)cE memory is redirected to a check-routine which compares the address to-D the bad spots. If a bad spot is hit then mcheck occurs, else normal.   cheers   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:38:01 -0000D From: sword7@speakeasy.org/ Subject: Re: MicroVAX II - Parity Check Test...8/ Message-ID: <tpqg695qj1gq8f@corp.supernews.com>   8 In comp.os.vms emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com> wrote:H > Since it's save to assume that forced wrong parity writes are the onlyE > source of parity errors in the emulator, it's enough to have a flagpF > indicating the existence of "bad" spots in emulated memory and eg. aE > list of these spots. If the above flag is set, access to (physical) G > memory is redirected to a check-routine which compares the address to F > the bad spots. If a bad spot is hit then mcheck occurs, else normal.  J Yeah. I resolved the problem by implementing "this memory location is bad"F flag.  So I had implemented two Q22 bad spots and one CPU bad spot andJ finally got the past of the CPU and Q22 parity check tests!   Whew!  I am K working on stage 7 and 8 in test #3.   Stage 7 to test non-existant memory nI and Stage 8 to test an interrupt from Q22 (by set IE and RDY in the same t  time).  Then '>>>' is printed...  ; Later I will modify ROM to skip parity check for emulators.a   -- Tim Stark   -- e, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:40:46 -0500f1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: More VMS Wish List Items...' Message-ID: <3B9D79AE.4EBE23BA@fsi.net>V   Tim Shoppa wrote:l > [snip]M > QIC drives - in the form of the TKZ10 - are already supported, aren't they?F  A Sort of. I'm looking specifically at Travan-type tape drives (QIC 
 variants).   -- - David J. Dachtera9 dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/V   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:08:18 -0400t' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>d( Subject: Re: More VMS Wish List Items...< Message-ID: <howard-8875A5.22081810092001@enews.newsguy.com>  ) In article <9nii2802bd1@drn.newsguy.com>, -  Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:V  6 > Why not simply add the ability to do QIO's from DCL?  I Yeah, f$qio() and f$qiow().  Remember to throw in some method of INCLUDE  0 files, or always have all the symbols available. --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:15:51 -0500r1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>l( Subject: Re: More VMS Wish List Items...' Message-ID: <3B9D81E7.55F51736@fsi.net>8   Howard S Shubs wrote:F > + > In article <9nii2802bd1@drn.newsguy.com>, / >  Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:u > 8 > > Why not simply add the ability to do QIO's from DCL? > J > Yeah, f$qio() and f$qiow().  Remember to throw in some method of INCLUDE2 > files, or always have all the symbols available.  0 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ mc sysman para show clisymtblC %SYSMAN-I-USEACTNOD, a USE ACTIVE has been defaulted on node DJAS01 ( Node DJAS01:   Parameters in use: ACTIVEH Parameter Name    Current    Default    Minimum    Maximum Unit  DynamicH --------------    -------    -------    -------    ------- ----  -------H CLISYMTBL             512        512         48       1024 Pagelets    D   Edited to fix wrapping.1  B Well, 1024 pagelets is only a half-megabyte of symbol table space.G Probably eat that up pretty quick with symbols/values you'll never use,@ unless the max. can be upped.w  @ Also, how ya gonna build argument lists? (Remember: DCL does notE currently support traditional arrays - you'd have to pass a string by?: some other mechanism than descriptor, maybe by reference.)  ? Could be useful, but I'd have to side with Larry K. that DCL isA* inappropriate for such a task/application.   -- w David J. Dachteram dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Sep 2001 13:39:53 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: mount dismount status3 Message-ID: <W7d5tfTlkpui@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  X In article <9ninmg$84b3@imsp212.netvigator.com>, "VMS Novice" <best@hotmail.com> writes:L > When I try to stop the process which allocating a disk or tape, the deviceM > sometimes change to "mount dismount" status and the process itself is neverc? > die. How can I do to stop the process and release the device?-      For tape:  B    There is an I/O pending.  Eventually it will either complete orG    timeout.  For some tape deivces timeout can be large fractions of anp=    hour.  Then the tape will deallocate and the process exit.       For disk:E    Possibly same as above, byt the timeout is much shorter.  The diskcH    may have files opened on it which you must get closed.  Some of those5    files may have been opened via the INSTAL utility.I      l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:12:03 +0530 $ From: "upadhyaya" <ups@hotvoice.com># Subject: moving app to x,y locationd0 Message-ID: <Othn7.107$YP.5265@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hello,L what is the command to move a decwindows application(eg, clock) to specified x and y coordinate on VMS.  
 With regards,A	 Upadhyayar   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:03:12 -0700 (PDT)V. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: OpenVMS + HPo@ Message-ID: <20010910190312.93269.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>  5 I think nobody tought in the possibilities of OpenVMSM+ and HP products (laboratory/automation).=20:  6 For example, here at the company there are hundreds of  6 VMS and OpenVMS machines running industrial automation  6 softwares (refineries and oil rigs), and a few running  6 LIMS (laboratory software) for chemistry, including=20 with HP equipment.    2 HP have a good reputation in the industrial and=205 scientific community. Imagine putting all together=20 3 again: OpenVMS + HP (or Agilent) products.... Or=20n2 OpenVMS should be put in Agilent hands ? Great,=206 thinking in the big business it could become. Ok, ok I  1 forgot the finance people which runs OpenVMS -=20t8 probably the natural way to migrate them will be NSK.=20    6 You should consider this possibility and I think it is  , a good way to "impulse" OpenVMS inside HP...    . Or have a few HP products builtin naturally in OpenVMS.    a) HP Printer/Plotter drivers=20 b) HP Scanner drivers   4 For these above, I hope Process should wake up. They3 can offer this integration easyly for all HP+Compaqg2 platforms because they have the experience needed.  2 c) OpenView for OpenVMS management. So, Heroix and5 others should look ahead and think in the possibilityS3 to integrate their products for OpenVMS management.5  2 d) Performance tools: RAXCO  and the others should3 offer their skills and products to the OpenVMS, MPE- HPUX groups.  6 e) Compaq have their own backup products like ABS, but6 HP have OmniBack... Who will win ? A backup company=207 should offer the possibility to create a new product=20B2 for consolidate the backups. I hope will not be=20 VERITAS (s**t).o    3 f) HP Storage products like CDRW, DVD, Tapes etc ..e) should become easier for OpenVMS systems.e  6 g) The HP adapters for OpenVMS Systems (Fibre channel,! Lan Console, SCSI, Net adapters).t   h) What more ?=20e    6 Just thinking by myself. And I am thinking in the good3 possbilities for the future of OpenVMS and I am notm4 trying to become extremaly catastrophic, like people here in this newsgroup. :-))))   Regardsm   F=E1bio Cardoso"    	 companies    Regards    F=E1bio Cardoso        =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Ds F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilm fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dr  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?L Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger=   http://im.yahoo.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:52:13 -0400m; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>nG Subject: Re: OT: Bush administration drops effort to break up Microsoft.$ Message-ID: <3b9d27f9$1@news.si.com>  L >Of course, but with the software already installed, the user didn't need toJ >install some ad-hoc collection of software collected by the ISP. All they >needed was the ISP account.  L Unless your ISP is AOL and then all bets are off.  They plunk their own crud- into your machine and bye-bye W95 networking.w --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com>A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.coms= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventr< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:42:10 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: RIP Bill Gatesa+ Message-ID: <VA.00000439.004a630b@sture.ch>3  < In article <3B9BC2D9.81772B6B@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:_Q > > Dunno much about C and Unix, but from the VAX calling standard point of view:  > > O > > When passing integers to subroutines by reference (the default in VMS), the-N > > endianness is all important. If you want to pass an Integer:4 to a routineH > > expecting an Integer:2 or Integer:1, it works fine because the leastD > > significant byte is in position 0 (which is the address passed). > N > But isn't that tantamount to a latent bug in your program when you do that ?  R Arguably so, yes. But no other sensible way in COBOL that I know of. (Believe me, G calling system routines from early versions of COBOL on VMS was, ahem, a
 interesting).v  L > Besides, doesn't the C compiler complain now when you pass the wrong sized > argument to a subroutine ? 2 > J As I said, I don't know C well enough. Does everyone's C compiler do that?   [rest snipped]   ___w
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:31:11 -0700 (PDT)3. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Testing@ Message-ID: <20010910183111.87475.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>  % Is this nesgroup site slow today ????r   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D_ F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilr fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D3  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?L Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger=   http://im.yahoo.comp   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:07:25 -040035 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>_ Subject: Re: Testing/ Message-ID: <yc8n7.97$YP.4906@news.cpqcorp.net>    Nope.t   Fabio Cardoso wrote in message7 <20010910183111.87475.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>...-% Is this nesgroup site slow today ????0   =====m ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?K Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messengery http://im.yahoo.com_   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Sep 2001 20:57:52 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)m? Subject: The Register: For hire: Compaq's iPaq engineering teamp' Message-ID: <9nj9gg$7qd$1@joe.rice.edu>  Keywords: hp,compaq,merger   From:>  5    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/21588.htmle     "By Tony Smith"    Posted: 10/09/2001 at 16:50 GMTF    Compaq's iPaq PocketPC development team seems to be so unhappy withG    the upcoming merger with Hewlett-Packard, they have en masse offeredsI    their services to the highest bidder on the online job search site The     Vault..."   --Jerry Leslie   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 00:28:11 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>hC Subject: Re: The Register: For hire: Compaq's iPaq engineering team , Message-ID: <3B9D92D9.9458F172@videotron.ca>   Jerry Leslie wrote:vH >    Compaq's iPaq PocketPC development team seems to be so unhappy withI >    the upcoming merger with Hewlett-Packard, they have en masse offerednK >    their services to the highest bidder on the online job search site The  >    Vault..."  F That is funny since the iPaq is probably one of the few Compaq brandedN products that will survive with the same name. Perhaps the real reason is thatN now that the ipaq has been built, the only remaining engineering to be done is= applying software patches to the microsoft provided software.P  @ However, I wouldn't put a lot of credence to such a news tidbit.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:32:48 -0500m/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>u@ Subject: Unaligned memory access (Was: Re: EV7 will never ship?)3 Message-ID: <3B9D3F90.4B220CB1@applied-synergy.com>n   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > k > In article <3B9A4043.B0EA696B@mcmail.maricopa.edu>, Carl Nelson <carl.nelson@mcmail.maricopa.edu> writes:n > >h > >m > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >o > >>N > >> A question for any of our resident Alpha engineering experts. I have seenJ > >> mentioned a number of times the concept that the Alpha can run eitherL > >> big-endian or little-endian.  Is there any performance impact on either: > >> one or would it perform equally well in either mode?? > >>, > >> Not really important, but I am curious. > >>	 > >> billm > >> > >-B > >   I'm not an Alpha engineering expert, but I play one on TV... > > Q > >   I seem to remember, from snips of code in the architecture handbook and thelO > > compiler writer's guide, that there is a one or two instruction penalty forpP > > big-endian access under certain circumstances. IIRC these were mainly in theP > > case of certain unaligned memory access sequences. With aligned access thereL > > were no differences, and with most, if not all, of the non-memory access/ > > sequences there were no differences at all.t > G > And that one or two instruction penalty is dwarfed by the penalty fors, > using unaligned access in the first place. > H > Later VAXes also have a penalty for unaligned access, but it is hidden > in the hardware.    G AFAIK, there is a penalty for unaligned access in ALL VAXen.  The later-4 VAXen seem to do a better job of hiding the penalty.  E Specifically, while rewriting some CPU bound code to use aligned datahB (and to take better advantage of registers), I found the following improvements in throughput:    MicroVAX II		4xh VAXstation 4000-90	2xr AlphaStation 255/233	4xu  G Testing with other similar generation processors gave similar numbers.  H (I have not had a chance to check this code on an EV5 or EV6.  Actually,E on Alphas, the code is fast enough that optimization is not really an  issue.  <grin>)5  B I attribute the difference between the MV II and VS4000 numbers toG caching.  The MV II does not have a memory cache and thus more directlyeF shows the difference in memory accesses (an unaligned read may requireG two memory accesses, an unaligned write may require four).  The cachingaD in the later processors tends to minimize the impact of an unaligned access.h  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com o   Fax: 817-237-3074a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:51:49 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>t, Subject: Re: VaxStation 3100 Install Problem+ Message-ID: <3B9D0BC5.DCE033FB@hsc.vcu.edu>m  ? hhmm...  maybe the thing is expecting input from X-windows???  -   Dan Cauley wrote:e > L > Hi there, I know this is a little off topic but I have really exhausted myK > resources on this one, I am trying to install NetBSD-VAX on my VaxStationmN > 3100 Model VS42A-AA, I am using a true Digital VT320 Terminal with an LK-201J > Keyboard, I boot from CD and get as far as the install menu but then theM > keyboard won't work, I can hit break and get out of the install, but that'spH > it, otherwise the keyboard works fine, like I can type boot dkb100 and< > everything.  I appreciate any and all input on this topic. >  > Thanks in advance, >                          Dan..   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:04:12 -0400t! From: "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com>m/ Subject: Re: VMS 7.2 / CMU-IP6.6.5K FTP problem + Message-ID: <9njihp$kvt$1@bob.news.rcn.net>i  G Installed today and same asymetric problem.  I am a VMS newbie who justo. threw parts together and installed an OTB VMS.   Dave8 Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote in message* news:3b982015.43235819@news.process.com...G > On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 19:20:28 -0400, "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> wrote:k >rH > >I have a vaxstation 4000/90 with vms7.2 and DECW and CMU TCP/IP 6.6.5L > >loaded.  When I ftp in it downlaods files from the VAX fast, (10BaseT hubK > >with one BNC and many) twisted pair ports.  However anything I upload to  thesG > >Vax is SLOW.  Iam not an expert and on the LINUX box with hash on itn seemsoG > >to burst out the first 10k but the rest is on the order 1k/min.  Anya ideas? > >eL > Replace the CMU FTP with MGFTP.  I don't remember exactly what the problemI > was, but you should find that MGFTP greatly outperforms the CMU FTP, asn wellL > as offering a lot more features.  (But since MGFTP was originally based onI > the CMU FTP code, you'll find that it's virtually identical in how it'sa used.) >p7 > ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/mgftp.zipb >J > Hunter > ------; > Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/t; > goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:42:09 +0200s  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>> Subject: Re: VMS To Be Squeezed Out Of HP's Strategic Vision ?+ Message-ID: <VA.00000438.004a6199@sture.ch>r  < In article <3B9BC392.24B2AB5E@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:aU > > I'd suggest that it is a _much_ larger deal. Not just application data files, butiU > > system files. Accounting, UAF and audit files spring immediately to mind, but whyaS > > stop there? Backup savesets, RMS internal structures, the file system itself...- > > 8 > > Then all the system services and RTL stuff. Shudder! > L > OK, if you forget about compatibility with old little endian machines, andH > just care about converting your OS to run in big endian mode. Wouldn't2 > compilers take care of the vast majority of it ? >.R Such things should be in the _implementation_ of the compiler, and I would expect O that strongly typed languages such as Ada would cope very well at this task. I oS honestly don't have enough experience with C to be an impartial judge in that area   :-)S  M > I realise that stuff such as TCPIP stack would have to be scanned to removeaL > all the byte switching since the data would arrive in the right order, but3 > would there be any major roadblocks/showstoppers?m >UD I suspect not just the TCPIP stack, but many programs which call it. ___-
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:31:37 +0200 < From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com> Subject: Re: vmstarr( Message-ID: <3B9D1519.59D4C471@home.com>  	 OK, ok...'8 Sorry to everyone for the included uuencoded source, but% I can't send it directly to everyone.b  2 Copy the part from "begin..." to "end" to your VMS system, call it fetch_http.uue  = $ uudecode :== $sys$system:TCPIP$UUDECODE.EXE (or ...UCX$...)  $ uudecode fetch_http.uuev $ unzip  fetch_http.ziph $ cc fetch_httpr $ link fetch_httpt% $ fetch_http :== $dev:[dir]fetch_httpt $ fetch_http <enter>! (Usage note should print here...)i   That should do it !o   Regardst Jan-Erik Sderholm.m       begin 750 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I'd like that also, please, Jan-Erik...  Thanks!!!l >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:a > >e> > > If your VMS system is connected to the Internet, you could@ > > always try with with FETCH_HTTP. I'v got a version that also3 > > supports downloads through a HTTP-proxy server.d > >u> > > It's nice to be able to just SUBMIT your download and have, > > your VMS system take care of the rest... > >0, > > All you need is the FETCH_HTTP.C source.@ > > There is a number of kits on "the net", but they seems to be2 > > the version that didn't support proxy servers. > >m< > > I could mail you my C file if you'd like, or maybe there; > > is someone "out there" that know of a link to a copy ofi' > > FETCH_HTTP with the proxy support ?G > >n > > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  > >q > > David Lee wrote: > > >nP > > > I am trying to download the "vmstar" freeware, but kept getting this error
 > > > messagelP > > > "Internet Explorer can not download from the internet site vmstar.zip from > > > ftp.process.come0 > > > The server returned extended information."D > > > Is there some other way that I can get this freeware "VMSTAR". > > >  > > > Thank you in advanced.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:55:40 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>e Subject: Re: vmstar + Message-ID: <3B9D1ABC.9629DF84@hsc.vcu.edu>e  7 hey,  thanks!!!! we did ask for it, didn't we?????  ;-)e   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  >  > OK, ok... : > Sorry to everyone for the included uuencoded source, but' > I can't send it directly to everyone.  >f   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2001 00:12:04 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 0 Subject: Weak FUD (Was: Re: The Future of VMS ?)3 Message-ID: <RpmH2bGGhyIS@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  \ In article <3B9D93B3.B371B96D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Jerry Leslie wrote:F& >> A friend and former coworker wrote:J >>   "When Carly publicly says it's valuable and what she will do with it. >>    Until then, assume dead."e >  > I woudln't go so far.o > N > "Until then, assume VMS is put in essentially maintenance mode on Alpha only > foir the next 10 years". >  >  > Is MPE being ported to IA64 ?-    D         Sure... why not?  I guess trying to determine truth value ofG         statements like:  "Is MPE being ported to IA64?" before FUDDings+         up takes all the fun out of things.,  5 http://www.hppro.com/pages/article.asp?ArticleID=1640a  J Intel's Itanium, the first microprocessor to boast the Explicitly ParallelO Instruction-set Computing (EPIC) architecture, may finally be poised for volumecD shipment. If all goes according to plan, this fall HP will launch anK Itanium-based system that can run either HP-UX, Linux or Windows NT. MPE/iXnM systems with the EPIC architecture will ship about the time Intel unveils thes) second of its IA-64 chips, the McKinley. -  N Jim Carlson, HPs Director of Marketing for IA-64 systems, says, "Were bringingL over a whole raft of applications under binary compatibility mode. Some haveM been recompiled and developed just for the system but many will run as strict0K binaries." Carlson adds that this parallels what HP did years ago with the lG [MPE/ix-based] HP 3000, in the transition from CISC to RISC technology.t   ...g  I HP had another goal in mind the architecture would have to work on its HPe= 9000s and 3000s, extending their longevity for years to come.     3         Ummmm.. their plan for MPE from the outset!D  >         Finding the above information took all of 30 seconds.   E         So I guess if we want to argue from "weaker to stronger", if aF         MPE gets ported, shouldn't the much larger and more profitable;         VMS get ported?  Still like to work that FUD angle?s  3         Ready for a loooong thread?  You up for it?a   				Robt   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 00:31:57 GMTa1 From: Ed Wensell III <ewensell3@yahoo.commercial>- Subject: Re: WHO ARE YOU forum?,0 Message-ID: <3B9D5A2D.4B5D0610@yahoo.commercial>   Nic Clews wrote: >  > Alan Greig wrote:6I > > Yes the BBC produced a tv series with most of the same radio cast bute3 > > it did not go as far as the third radio series.e > G > I can fully recommend the radio scripts book which discusses the manya@ > origins of the series and production notes, legal issues. etc.   And to add insult to injury...  E If you can't readily find the radio version on CD or for download, itIF can be readily played at eveilkiwi.net (http://evilkiwi.net/hhg.html).G Point your favorite streaming MP3 audio player at the 'Listen' link... b   Share and enjoy...   -- w Ed Wensell III" http://www.geocities.com/ewensell35 E-mail address slightly bunged. You've been warned...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:29:29 -0400 ( From: Qio Invalid Arg <qioboy@yahoo.com>- Subject: Re: WSJ reporting HP will buy Compaqm8 Message-ID: <55qqpt48qb24hikkq015tp9f7lrinrf86i@4ax.com>  . Heres Robert X. Cringely's take on the subject  6 http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010906.html   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.505 ************************