1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 22 Sep 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 527       Contents:/ Re: any configuration files need to be changed!  CETS2001 presentations Compaq Commitments Re: Compaq Commitments Re: Compaq Commitments DCL emulator for intel PC  Re: DCL emulator for intel PC  Re: DCL emulator for intel PC  Re: DCPS and LaserWriter 16/600  Re: DCPS and LaserWriter 16/600  Re: DCPS and LaserWriter 16/600 * Re: Directory Structure Depth: OpenVMS 7.1* Re: Directory Structure Depth: OpenVMS 7.1( DS20's - VMS Systems - Special Pricing ! Dynamic DNS with TCP/IP V5.1
 Easter Egg Re: Easter Egg Re: EDT for Linux  Encompass membership ftp login failure  Re: ftp login failure 2 Re: How do I send an attachment with OpenVMS mail?@ In times like these ... OpenVMS now more than ever for security!@ In times like these ... OpenVMS now more than ever for security!D Re: In times like these ... OpenVMS now more than ever for security!D Re: In times like these ... OpenVMS now more than ever for security!- Re: MicroVAX 3500/3600/3800 boot ROM contents - Re: MicroVAX 3500/3600/3800 boot ROM contents - Re: MicroVAX 3500/3600/3800 boot ROM contents - Re: MicroVAX 3500/3600/3800 boot ROM contents A Re: OT: Gartner Recommends Businesses Look At Alternatives To IIS  Re: OT:: Re: World Trade Center  RE: OT:: Re: World Trade Center  Re: OT:: Re: World Trade Center  Really Unhackable...???? Really Unhackable...???? Re: Really Unhackable...???? Re: Really Unhackable...???? Uninstall global section in DCL # Re: Uninstall global section in DCL  VAX 7000 Installed Base  Re: VAX 7000 Installed Base  VAX disaster tolerance Re: VAX DOCUMENT Re: We are back from CETS  Re: World Trade Center Re: World Trade Center Re: World Trade Center Re: World Trade Center Re: WTC - a final word  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:28:03 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> 8 Subject: Re: any configuration files need to be changed!$ Message-ID: <3baba2e7$1@news.si.com>  2 >I am facing a problem with the following command. > ( >  create/term/detach/wind=(x=100,y=100) > I >I have tested this scenario on couple of VMS machines.  On one of them I E >have been able to position the decterm at the specified coordinates.  Whereas K >on  another machine I am not able to position the decterm at the specified  >coordinate.B >(Note I am using a X windows emulator to connect to VMS machine.)  
 We had to add    Mwm*clientAutoPlace: False  I to DECW$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:DECW$MWM.DAT to address this at one point, but if F you're using a window manager on your PC, then I doubt this will help. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:39:52 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: CETS2001 presentations 1 Message-ID: <IsOq7.482$YP.17089@news.cpqcorp.net>   C   Seven of the OpenVMS Engineering CETS2001 presentations -- those  G   presentations that I have immediate access to -- should be available  .   on-line by 22-Sep-2001 (tomorrow; Saturday).  E   This includes the four presentations that I used, and presentations F   by Clair Grant and by Gaitan D'antoni.  These presentations will be    available (by tomorrow) at:   0     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/presentations/  A   Mark Gorham's CETS2001 presentation is already available at the     website, and can be viewed at:  7     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/strategy.html     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2001 12:51:32 -0700/ From: on_the_move4ever@yahoo.com (Rick Nickles)  Subject: Compaq Commitments = Message-ID: <b2faac46.0109211151.2a229faf@posting.google.com>   A I don't know about anybody else, but I'm getting weary of hearing  about C Compaq's commitments to this and that - when they continually break  these commitments.  " Anybody have any feedback on this?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:11:53 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Compaq Commitments , Message-ID: <3BAB9F00.79D21E83@videotron.ca>   Rick Nickles wrote:  > C > I don't know about anybody else, but I'm getting weary of hearing  > about E > Compaq's commitments to this and that - when they continually break  > these commitments. > $ > Anybody have any feedback on this?  K Simple: just don't believe ANY of Compaq's speeches/slides unless they come T from Winkler or Capellas. (And from now on: add Carly to the list, remove Capellas).  K If you consider that VMS is on maintenance mode with no will to ever market I it, if tyou consider that HP-Compaq is maintaining VMS only to keep a few M focused large customers until they can be migrated to NT, then things fall in L place and you see through some of the statements from Compaq's folks who try to say otherwise.   L If you consider that that lower level folks connected to VMS are trying veryN hard, but their efforts are thwarted by Compaq/HP top management, it also puts everything into perspective.  M Once you accept it, it isn't so bad. It is a bit like someone accepting their K have terminal cancer, no chance to live long and deciding to stop worrrying K about the impending death and enjoy the remaining days as much as possible.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:36:38 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Compaq Commitments ' Message-ID: <3BABF936.B420F1A8@fsi.net>    Rick Nickles wrote:  > C > I don't know about anybody else, but I'm getting weary of hearing  > about E > Compaq's commitments to this and that - when they continually break  > these commitments. > $ > Anybody have any feedback on this?  H Yeah: IMHO, the subject line of this thread is an oxymoron. "Compaq" and& "Commitments" are diametric opposites.  F Note that the Q-techies should not take that personally - its a jab at$ your management, not you personally.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:40:51 -0500 * From: "Mark-Simon pope" <mpope@bristol.ca>" Subject: DCL emulator for intel PC. Message-ID: <VQLq7.151$wC6.1720@news1.mts.net>  J I've recently been playing with PC_DCL and I really like it, however, I'veI found some problems with it.  So I wonder if there is an updated versions   (My DCL.EXE is dated 1/10/1992).  H Does anybody know where I could find the latest version, or if there are  other DCL emulators I could try?   Thanks in advance, Mark-S.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:26:52 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) & Subject: Re: DCL emulator for intel PC0 Message-ID: <00A0263A.4D90695D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <VQLq7.151$wC6.1720@news1.mts.net>, "Mark-Simon pope" <mpope@bristol.ca> writes: K >I've recently been playing with PC_DCL and I really like it, however, I've J >found some problems with it.  So I wonder if there is an updated versions! >(My DCL.EXE is dated 1/10/1992).  > I >Does anybody know where I could find the latest version, or if there are ! >other DCL emulators I could try?  >  >Thanks in advance,  >Mark-S.    D I highly recommend that you look at  http://www.accelr8.com/dcl.html  F It's very DCL-like unlike some other offering that claim to be and are not.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:19:51 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) & Subject: Re: DCL emulator for intel PC0 Message-ID: <3baba020.31620718@news.process.com>  P On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:26:52 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:   \ >In article <VQLq7.151$wC6.1720@news1.mts.net>, "Mark-Simon pope" <mpope@bristol.ca> writes:L >>I've recently been playing with PC_DCL and I really like it, however, I'veK >>found some problems with it.  So I wonder if there is an updated versions " >>(My DCL.EXE is dated 1/10/1992). >>: >>Does anybody know where I could find the latest version,  M There is no other version of PC_DCL, and, unfortunately, no one I know of has 8 been able to locate the author in the past decade or so.   >> or if there are" >>other DCL emulators I could try? >> > E >I highly recommend that you look at  http://www.accelr8.com/dcl.html  > G >It's very DCL-like unlike some other offering that claim to be and are  >not.     G I second that.  OpenDCL is a great product.  And even better: they give = away a Lite version of the product as freeware.  Very useful.   H BTW, if you're looking for more W2K software for the VMS user, you might want to read my article on:    http://www.process.com/openvms/   F It lists most of the freeware that I find invaluable on a Windows box,J including other tools to make the VMS user more comfortable under Windows.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:18:57 -0400 ) From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet@mail.com> ( Subject: Re: DCPS and LaserWriter 16/600( Message-ID: <3BAB7681.71828A9D@mail.com>  M I'm pretty sure all of the Apple printers only print via Appletalk.  Printing   with them via IP isn't possible.     Dave Gudewicz wrote: > F > Has anyone got an Apple LaserWriter 16/600 to work with DCPS (v2.0)? > I > Went to Apple's site to see if above supports raw IP and came up empty.  > 	 > Dave...    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2001 16:36:32 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ( Subject: Re: DCPS and LaserWriter 16/6003 Message-ID: <U36yBbYymYvI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   D So one must use the VMS Appletalk driver (no longer sold).  It worksC fine printing from VMS via Appletalk to printers from Apple and HP. 3 (I have not tried that specific LaserWriter model.)   T In article <3BAB7681.71828A9D@mail.com>, John Johnstone <jj_usenet@mail.com> writes:O > I'm pretty sure all of the Apple printers only print via Appletalk.  Printing " > with them via IP isn't possible. >  >  > Dave Gudewicz wrote: >>  G >> Has anyone got an Apple LaserWriter 16/600 to work with DCPS (v2.0)?  >>  J >> Went to Apple's site to see if above supports raw IP and came up empty. >>  
 >> Dave...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:19:30 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: DCPS and LaserWriter 16/600L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2109012219300001@user-2ive7vo.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <9o5nhi$765$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz"" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote:  F > Has anyone got an Apple LaserWriter 16/600 to work with DCPS (v2.0)? > I > Went to Apple's site to see if above supports raw IP and came up empty.  > 	 > Dave...   J I don't know about this model, but we have an older LaserWriter that has aF parallel port in addition to Appletalk.  We attached a Lantronix printD server to the parallel port and print from VMS.  Alas, out printer'sE parallel port is uni-directional, so DCPS won't work with it.  With a - 2-way parallel port, I think DCPS would work.   G The print server is just a small box that plugs into the parallel port, J and has an ethernet connector on the other end.  It speaks LAT and TCP/IP.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Sep 2001 22:33:30 GMT' From: "Jim Strehlow" <jims@data911.com> 3 Subject: Re: Directory Structure Depth: OpenVMS 7.1 0 Message-ID: <9ogf7q$ap6@dispatch.concentric.net>  D I use the following "trick" when installing patches or using product install.+ Place the patch into a temporary directory.  $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL    * (or $ PRODUCT  INSTALL   * )A Type the temporary directory disk and directory when so prompted. K Thus you do not have to "figure out" and type the product name that you are  installing.    Jim Strehlow, JimS@Data911.com Alameda, CA   / "Let them do their worst. We will do our best."     5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message # news:3BAB052D.55393A15@127.0.0.1...  > Andrew Aylward wrote:  ... J > The file must be in the SYS$UPDATE directory and ii. The command you runC > must be "$ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTALL <patchname>"  The patch name is 3 > ALPRMS04_071 for any of you who may recognize it.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2001 16:49:53 -0700& From: meetkrishnas@hotmail.com (krish)3 Subject: Re: Directory Structure Depth: OpenVMS 7.1 = Message-ID: <19e2ed27.0109211549.2b82618d@posting.google.com>    "Andrew Aylward" <Andrew.Aylward@ast.co.za> wrote in message news:<EE170DD1AC76FC4D8A71DA5912DBBF6E050BFF@nnc-exc01.ast.co.za>... 
 > Hi Everyone  >   F > Before I request help on a little problem I have, I want to just askI > that all this mail back and forth about what happened last week come to G > an end.  I don't think that this is the correct forum for this.  I am I > not speaking to any 'group' whether pro US or not, I am talking to all. I > This is my first mail ever to this 'list', which I only joined two days I > ago and I get bombarded with all this tit for tat mail.  Trying to sift H > through everything for the VMS related mail - which is the purpose forF > this listserv service - is quite annoying as many of us have seriousA > jobs to do.  I am sure everyone of us feel emotional about what 5 > happened, but again, this is not the correct forum.  >   2 > Thank you for your consideration in this regard. >   D > My problem is this.  In OpenVms 7.1 directories only go the eighthG > level.  They cannot go any deeper.  I think I have found a patch that J > will fix this (apart from upgrading to 7.2-1), but my problem is loadingG > the patch.  I know the commands, but I cannot get the patch file into J > the right format and I am also not very sure of the sequence of commandsH > that I must run to get the patch loaded.  This is what I do know:-  i.J > The file must be in the SYS$UPDATE directory and ii. The command you runC > must be "$ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTALL <patchname>"  The patch name is 5 > ALPRMS04 071 for any of you who may recognize it.    >    > Andrew Aylward > AST Group - Newcastle Branch  D You can also make use of concealed Logicals for creating directories" beyond the 8th level.For example :  . $create/dir disk:[000000.t1.t2.t3.t4.t5.t6.t7]? $define/trans=conc test$dir disk:[000000.t1.t2.t3.t4.t5.t6.t7.]  $set def test$dir:[000000] $create/dir [.t8.t9.t10]  - You can create a total of 16 levels this way. B By doing a define/trans=conc you are defining a concealed logical,D where the logical name is not translated to its equivalent.More thanC the file system, i guess this flexibility is given by RMS, I am not  sure.    -Krish   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:45:38 -0400 0 From: "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com>1 Subject: DS20's - VMS Systems - Special Pricing ! / Message-ID: <tqnnb6niip8db6@news.supernews.com>    Configured as follows:    @ DS20 EV6 6/500 with EIP Licenses (VMS Base + Multiple Users etc) 1Gb RAM  VX1 Oxygen 32MB PCI Video . 4 x RZ1EF-VW 18.2GB 7200RPM Storageworks Disks DE500-BA 10/100 Ethernet# KZPBA-CA Ultra Wide SCSI Controller  LK46W-A2 VMS Style Keyboard  3 Button DEC Mouse   Price $6899   : Systems carry 1 Year warranty (advanced parts replacement)K Ready for a maintenance contract from Compaq or other preferred Maintenance  vendor  9 Payment terms: Visa/Mastercard or Net 30 Days with PO !!!  -- David Turner   We sell Alpha systems & partsl http://www.islandco.comC sales@islandco.com Island Computers US Corp.i 2700 Gregory Streetd Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622r Fax: 912 201 0096  ICQ#: 130698221t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:11:20 -0400t) From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet@mail.com>s% Subject: Dynamic DNS with TCP/IP V5.1T( Message-ID: <3BAB82C8.2D3F0B12@mail.com>  G I've just got TCP/IP V5.1 running under VMS V7.3 and I'm trying out theaH dynamic DNS update feature of DHCP and BIND.  The dynamic setting of theD client name is working.  After I boot a client, I see the IP addressJ defined for the client's name in a DNS lookup.  The inverse lookup doesn't@ work though.  There is a related message in the DHCP server log:  G DHCPREQUEST(selecting) from HW 00:50:e4:25:20:5d for IP 172.16.9.0: newo leasec: DDNS failed to create 172.16.9.0 PTR pbg3.tridentusa.com :  D A "dig -x 172.16.9.0" returns a non-existant domain error.  The zoneK configuration in tcpip$bind.conf to allow updates is identical for both thevF forward and the reverse zone, i.e. tridentusa.com and 16.172.in-addr. I There's no related message in the BIND server log.  My .ddnskeys file hasU 127.0.0.1 for both entries:U  ! tridentusa.com          127.0.0.1l! 16.172.in-addr.arpa     127.0.0.1i  4 Has anyone tried the dynamic DNS update feature yet?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:19:06 -0400A' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>e Subject: Easter Egg < Message-ID: <howard-595C2A.23190621092001@enews.newsguy.com>  K On the box that OpenVMS 7.2-2 and 7.3 come in (red and gray), take a close -J look at the picture of the guy looking at the computer monitors.  See the 3 monitor closest to the camera, and notice the logo.   " Reported to CPQ earlier today. :-, --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2001 23:09:56 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Easter Egg 3 Message-ID: <yFFifxDeWECD@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  f In article <howard-595C2A.23190621092001@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:M > On the box that OpenVMS 7.2-2 and 7.3 come in (red and gray), take a close iL > look at the picture of the guy looking at the computer monitors.  See the 5 > monitor closest to the camera, and notice the logo.o > $ > Reported to CPQ earlier today. :-,  & Reported in comp.os.vms months ago :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:50:14 GMTe* From: Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com> Subject: Re: EDT for Linux? Message-ID: <WRMq7.258449$Lw3.16476503@news2.aus1.giganews.com>2  = John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:'L > I have to use Linux a lot these days and would like to have an EDT editor,1 > just plain old EDT and not necessarily TPU/EVE.o) > Anyone know of an EDT editor for Linux?0    Emacs can also do EDT emulation.   Later, Steven   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:06:35 -0500 ( From: Jerry Kraus <nospam@somewhere.net> Subject: Encompass membershipa8 Message-ID: <707nqto8rva8bs840nrqn86fsl82n6il68@4ax.com>  D For those waiting for info on their Encompass membership, I receivedF the following email today which may be of interest to those of you whoD are waiting (I applied on Aug 4 and have sent two follow-up emails).  
 Hi Jerry,   B We are so sorry for the delay.  Currently, we are down to only one staffe; person, and we've received approximately 600 new membership. applicationsE over the last month.  As well, we were in Anaheim for the recent CETS-F Technical Conference, so our membership processing is delayed.  We are alsoE converting to a new system, so once that is in place, we will be ableo to getF into gear again and get the memberships processed.  Again, we're sorry for ( the delay, and thanks for your patience.   Encompass Headquarters   -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Kraus [mailto:???]* Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:27 PM To: information@decus.org1  Subject: Membership Info Request     Hi, B (Originally sent: Tue 8/14/2001 10:03 AM -- Now over a month since application was sent)nC I applied for the basic membership on Aug 4 (Sun). The results page. saidC that a membership ID would be emailed by the end of the week. As it  has now,E been 10 days, I was concerned that something was wrong. Is there just. a F delay with the emails as you indicated there would be with mailing the/ membership cards - or is there another problem.n Thanks,a Jerry Krausb   --) Jerry (remove *-* for true email address)p   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Sep 2001 19:11:03 GMT# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edue Subject: ftp login failure+ Message-ID: <9og3c7$27u$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>c  3 I have a user who can telnet in but can not ftp in.   / Auditable event:          Network login failuree1 Event time:               21-SEP-2001 14:04:51.62e" PID:                      2040048E) Process name:             TCPIP$FTPC00005t! Username:                 xxxxxxxu; Status:                   %LOGIN-F-INVPWD, invalid passwordi  6 He has a bog standard account, no access restrictions.< I can both telnet in and ftp using my standard user account.   HELP!   = Any clues as to what to look for would be deeply appreciated.d   Robert Morphis system@physics.niu.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:33:54 -0400a# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>t Subject: Re: ftp login failure+ Message-ID: <3BAB9622.18A8043A@hsc.vcu.edu>a  H look at the login.com, does it go to a menu?  is the account captive? is my whale flying yet? o ;-)e   feel free to email ...   jim-  $ system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote: > 5 > I have a user who can telnet in but can not ftp in.u > 1 > Auditable event:          Network login failure43 > Event time:               21-SEP-2001 14:04:51.62'$ > PID:                      2040048E+ > Process name:             TCPIP$FTPC00005c# > Username:                 xxxxxxxe= > Status:                   %LOGIN-F-INVPWD, invalid passworda > 8 > He has a bog standard account, no access restrictions.> > I can both telnet in and ftp using my standard user account. >  > HELP!  > ? > Any clues as to what to look for would be deeply appreciated.t >  > Robert Morphis > system@physics.niu.edu   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:13:29 GMTl- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)y; Subject: Re: How do I send an attachment with OpenVMS mail?r0 Message-ID: <3bab9e82.31206372@news.process.com>  B On 21 Sep 2001 12:23 CDT, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:  F >Multinet extends this to some basic SMTP MIME-encoding when it's SMTP >transport is used.i >i. >From the Multinet DECODE example in the help: >IK >         Binary files can be sent via SMTP using the undocumented /FOREIGN K >         qualifier of the OpenVMS Mail SEND command. The following exampleeG >         shows how to send such a file and use DECODE to translate the-% >         corresponding mail message:e >0> >         1. First, send a executable file using OpenVMS Mail: >e >            $ MAIL:2 >            MAIL>SEND /FOREIGN /NOEDIT BINARY.EXE, >            To:     SMTP%"TREEFROG@ABC.COM" [...]$  K >This is not a general purpose MIME and attachment thing - while it is useseI >MIME and base64 encoding, it will almost certainly only work if both thedM >sender and receiver are using Multinet on VMS (or possibly TCPWARE - ProcessEM >may have enabled both pieces of software to communicate with each other thisv >way). >iJ SEND/FOREIGN will work with PMDF, MultiNet's SMTP, TCPware's SMTP, and MX.H The latter three also support SEND/FOREIGN/TYPE=1, which formats it as aI generic octet-stream (and not the special VMS-RMS type) more suitable foraJ generic PC mail clients.  PMDF, of course, has lots more support for these types of attachments.   D All four (PMDF (via PMDF MAIL), MultiNet, TCPware, and MX) will alsoF automatically decode such messages when delivered locally to VMS Mail.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/a   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2001 13:52:26 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)I Subject: In times like these ... OpenVMS now more than ever for security!n= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0109211252.61963b9d@posting.google.com>M  = i am reading all of these articles as every day goes by aboutp	 increased @ concerns for security ... nimba ... bimba ... all these bugs ...C and i just sit back and say to myself, what security problems, what  internetD mail bugs, with vms i don't have these worries!  it nice not to have these problems, isn't it?e   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT)h From: Lorin@LockTrack.com I Subject: In times like these ... OpenVMS now more than ever for security!I. Message-ID: <01092113585882@lto.locktrack.com>  9 Yes, I do agree... at least as far as my server-side appse7 are concerned.  Unfortunately, many of us are forced byd8 circumstances or other things to use Windows-crap on our; desktops, at home, etc., so we're no more immune to generic ; security concerns than anyone else.  For example, one of myt< staff got nailed big-time by Nimba this week... cost: 3 days? elapsed to erradicate/restore his desktop and get back to work,I actually nearly 6 man-days.   8 And folks (even my gov't customers) expect me to "bet my7 business" on Bill's crap?  Just because it's "standard"r and popular?  Ha.p   -- Lorin   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Sep 2001 21:08:17 GMT0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)M Subject: Re: In times like these ... OpenVMS now more than ever for security!:5 Message-ID: <9oga81$l7r$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>.  L In article <01092113585882@lto.locktrack.com>,  <Lorin@LockTrack.com> wrote:; : Yes, I do agree... at least as far as my server-side appsa9 : are concerned.  Unfortunately, many of us are forced bye: : circumstances or other things to use Windows-crap on our= : desktops, at home, etc., so we're no more immune to generica= : security concerns than anyone else.  For example, one of my6> : staff got nailed big-time by Nimba this week... cost: 3 daysA : elapsed to erradicate/restore his desktop and get back to work,i : actually nearly 6 man-days.o : F It's happening everywhere, all the time.  Add it up.  When you finally can't take it any more see:   *   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/safe.html   - Franki   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:13:11 +0100o% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> M Subject: Re: In times like these ... OpenVMS now more than ever for security! * Message-ID: <3BABAD67.790EBF44@virgin.net>   Bob Ceculski wrote:   ? > i am reading all of these articles as every day goes by aboutP > increased>B > concerns for security ... nimba ... bimba ... all these bugs ...E > and i just sit back and say to myself, what security problems, what 
 > internetF > mail bugs, with vms i don't have these worries!  it nice not to have > these problems, isn't it?W  B The only threat VMS can't protect you from is the one from Compaq." Here's hoping HP have other ideas.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Sep 2001 18:34:45 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)66 Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3500/3600/3800 boot ROM contents, Message-ID: <9og185$2mgk$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  1 In article <JNJq7.466$YP.16992@news.cpqcorp.net>,o5  hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:lc |> In article <9off3e$2emn$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:n |>B |> :Sure.  It's scheduled for release immediately after Ultrix-32. |> oE |>   Please consider the target audience that will read your remarks.k  4 I was thinking of people who coule use a good laugh.   |> pH |>   Please also consider the affects of your comments on your audience.   Same as above.   |>  ; |>   Lately, I really feel like I have a target on my back.-  @ That was surely not my intention. Of all the people I might takeA potshots at, you don't even make the list.  If I were to take aimp; at that target, it would give you a hearty pat on the back.    |>  K |>   Put another way, I will only comment that comp.os.vms and its readers cF |>   and readership would be a relatively inappropriate newsgroup for 3 |>   Ultrix-32 questions and comments and feedback.c  E Maybe the irony was just to subtle.  The previous poster was applyingrF potential commercial value as a major deciding factor in wether or notC a company (Compaq in this case) might release something.  I am surewE there are many DECies here who know that efforts were made to try andeD get Ultrix-32 released as Ultrix-11 was.  While everyone agrees thatA Ultrix-32 has absolutely no commercial value and is of 0 value tocD Compaq at this point, there is also a 0% chance that it will ever beC released in any form.  If the ROM code is released, all the better. E Especially if it turns out there are newer ROM images that can be putrF into my MVax-III's as all of them complain at boot time of out-of-dateE firmware.  But, the main point is wether or not they are released hasoB more to do with internal company politics of which most of us will6 never be privy than it has to do with percieved value.  
 All the best..   bill   -- nJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:16:58 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>l6 Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3500/3600/3800 boot ROM contents' Message-ID: <3BABA03A.32927B75@iee.org>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:G > Maybe the irony was just to subtle.  The previous poster was applyingsH > potential commercial value as a major deciding factor in wether or notE > a company (Compaq in this case) might release something.  I am suret  ) Not really. The previous poster (i.e. me)o& had seen Matt Thomas ask, on behalf of  NetBSD, whether MSCP and friends" could be released, only to be told! "No - it still actually brings in." real licence money". A year or two! later, I asked again and receivedd much the same answer.r  ! If there are no longer commercialw" reasons for preventing the release  of MSCP specs (and of course the" CI Port and DSSI stuff and perhaps some other gubbins I forgot to m& ask for :-) ), then it would be great  to see it appear.   $ The Mayfair console sources would be% easier, since they presumably contain # little, if any, confidential stuff.p  G > there are many DECies here who know that efforts were made to try andnF > get Ultrix-32 released as Ultrix-11 was.  While everyone agrees thatC > Ultrix-32 has absolutely no commercial value and is of 0 value toeF > Compaq at this point, there is also a 0% chance that it will ever be  % Although Ultrix-32 probably does havei0 no commercial value, not all of it belong(s)(ed)" to DEC, so untangling the mess may be more effort than anyone is  willing to invest.   Antonioa   -- /   ---------------d- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:24:01 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3500/3600/3800 boot ROM contents1 Message-ID: <RdOq7.478$YP.17217@news.cpqcorp.net>p   In article <y4pu8kcwgc.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:5 :hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:e :MK :>   I've been discussing the release of this code off-line, both with Bob  M :>   Supnik and with the OpenVMS Business Manager that can clear the release C :>   of the code.2 :SO :I must have missed something - I was under the impression Supnik was no longera
 :with Compaq.a  H   I'll leave Bob to discuss what he is willing to discuss -- but if Bob H   were presently in the employ of Compaq, I'd not generally expect that I   we would be having this particular discussion here in a newsgroup.  :-)w  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:25:43 -0000  From: sword7@speakeasy.org6 Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3500/3600/3800 boot ROM contents/ Message-ID: <tqnq4n9bsffue8@corp.supernews.com>   H Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:B >> :Sure.  It's scheduled for release immediately after Ultrix-32.; >>   Lately, I really feel like I have a target on my back.P  P > No, please don't. But I can understand some frustration with companies keepingP > information that is old and no longer commercially valuable but of interest toO > others to themselves. I do think VMS engineering, likely though your efforts,lC > has done a great job in making such information freely available.   ' It seems like self-centeredness...  :-(h  B It is much difficult to write VAX emulator without MSCP specs. :-(G That's why I ended up the wall in the VAX emulator developement due to 6( lack of MSCP specs and ROM sources, etc.   -- Tim Stark   -- D, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2001 14:06:42 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)J Subject: Re: OT: Gartner Recommends Businesses Look At Alternatives To IIS< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0109211306.d9ab52e@posting.google.com>  X leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote in message news:<9ofaai$d02$3@joe.rice.edu>...5 > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-7239473-0.htmls >  >   "Gartner Viewpoint >    Special to CNET News.comc& >    September 20, 2001, 12:05 p.m. PT > ' >    By John Pescatore, Gartner Analyst> > I >    With the emergence of the Nimda worm--the latest in a long series toaC >    attack Microsoft's Internet Information Server (IIS) and othernA >    software--Gartner believes it's time for businesses with WeboC >    applications to start investigating less vulnerable Web server. >    products. >    . >    . >    .I >    Code Red also showed how easy it is to attack IIS Web servers. Thus,<G >    securely using Internet-exposed IIS Web servers has a high cost of4I >    ownership. Businesses using Microsoft's IIS Web server software have1H >    to update every IIS server with every Microsoft security patch thatK >    comes out--almost weekly. However, Nimda has again shown the high riskTH >    of using IIS and the effort involved in keeping up with Microsoft's >    frequent security patches.  > F >    Gartner recommends that businesses hit by both Code Red and NimdaF >    immediately investigate alternatives to IIS, including moving WebK >    applications to Web server software from other vendors such as iPlanetnG >    and Apache. Although those Web servers have required some security I >    patches, they have much better security records than IIS and are notoI >    under active attack by the vast number of virus and worm writers..."r  K thats why vms webservers are the servers of choice, apache is available but M a better server right now is purveyor ... apache has a bug when running under H multinet or tcpware and i guarantee the crispest combination is purveyorL running under tcpware ... dec used purveyor and altavista the purveyor proxy1 server on their old sites ... it is bullet proof!g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:19:23 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>e( Subject: Re: OT:: Re: World Trade Center( Message-ID: <9og08b$16d$1@pyrite.mv.net>  6 "John Saunders" <jws@ma.ultranet.com> wrote in message% news:9ofu6e$il9$1@bob.news.rcn.net...s   ...o  - > Sometimes the truth is the best propaganda.0  K Of course it is.  But when it's gussied up to be 'more effective' (i.e., to J be propaganda), rather than left unvarnished, there's always the suspicion/ that there might be somewhat more to the story.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:50:17 -0400 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>( Subject: RE: OT:: Re: World Trade Center- Message-ID: <0033000035997889000002L092*@MHS>   
 =0AGentlemen:-  5 If y'all want to get into a good discussion regarding-4 the meaning of the Second Amendment, might I suggest some alternative venues:   talk.politics.guns rec.guns www.recguns.com-
 glocktalk.com$ thefiringline.comc freerepublic.com5 or, for those who like livin' large, biggerhammer.netn   WWWebb  9 (who has quite a bit to say (and has said so in the past)08  on this matter, but would prefer to discuss VMS-related
  stuff here.)    > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET , > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 6:33 PMD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET* > Subject: RE: OT:: Re: World Trade Center >  > D > "David Beatty" <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote in message. > news:ziuqO+Gccw2pF6o5IjEAa4OPLand@4ax.com... >- > ...- >-4 > >     From http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt > >gH > > A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free=  F > > State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be > > infringed. > >pC > >     The meaning of the Militia at that time was all able-bodiedi > > male citizens. >s? > Largely because all such, rather than specialized enforcement  > agencies, wereB > assumed to take shared responsibility for the common protection. > 1 >   Since the Bill of Rights primarily spells out > > > rights, the proper meaning is exactly what the main clause> > > states, that the right of the people to keep and bear Arms > > shall not be infringed.p >w9 > The qualification 'well regulated', and the explanationc > 'being necessary tol> > the security of a free State', make it clear that the intent > of the right is 4 > for the common (as distinct from individual) good. >e? > Whether the explanation still holds is questionable.  But the- > extension of: > the right is sufficiently unambiguous that attempting to > change it withoutj6 > enacting a Constitutional amendment would be unwise. >e > >-C > >     The right is a proper right in that it stems from the right B > > of self-defense, which stems from the right to self-ownership. >o> > The wording in the Constitution quite clearly indicates that > the right stemst? > from the right/obligation of *community* defense (see above).b >e > >aF > >     As far as the constitutionality of all the gun laws, that's an > > entirely different subject.n >xA > The phrase 'well regulated' is quite suggestive in this regard.r >l > - bill >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:31:06 -0400l+ From: "John Saunders" <jws@ma.ultranet.com>$( Subject: Re: OT:: Re: World Trade Center+ Message-ID: <9og82t$av8$1@bob.news.rcn.net>T  2 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:9og08b$16d$1@pyrite.mv.net... >i8 > "John Saunders" <jws@ma.ultranet.com> wrote in message' > news:9ofu6e$il9$1@bob.news.rcn.net...  >e > ...e >i/ > > Sometimes the truth is the best propaganda.E >mJ > Of course it is.  But when it's gussied up to be 'more effective' (i.e., toL > be propaganda), rather than left unvarnished, there's always the suspicion1 > that there might be somewhat more to the story.T  I Matter of taste I guess, Bill. I didn't see any "gussying up". I just sawM effective journalism.o --
 John Saunders  jws@ma.ultranet.comu   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2001 13:04:43 -0700& From: meetkrishnas@hotmail.com (krish)! Subject: Really Unhackable...????l= Message-ID: <19e2ed27.0109211204.4c9d48e6@posting.google.com>u   Hi,-  ? I came across the following article today, and i was surprised.oB Many of my friends tell me that VMS is unhackable because not many use/knowD about VMS ,and hence hackers are not interested in hacking it. These< friends work on  windows, and they justify windows's hackingF vulnerability to its wide usage.Is this really true....are hackers notF interested in hacking VMS because its not widely used/known or is it a really tough job to hack VMS ?  A This was just a curiosity for me, thanks for taking your time !!!n   -Krish   DEFCON 9 Hackers & Conventione$ declares OpenVMS cool and unhackable  C DEFCON, a military term that refers to escalating military conflict C conditions, is also the name of a computer hackers group that meets2B every year in Las Vegas. At the DEF CON 9 convention, hackers from@ around the world get together to swap ideas, test and hone their@ hacker skills, and learn new techniques by playing a game called Capture the Flag.f  A To many professionals in the computer business, taking an OpenVMS E system to a place where 4,300 hackers can try to break in for two andr> a half days is analogous to walking into a back street bar andC flashing money around before stepping into the alley for some nighto air!  C Three members of the Dallas Ft. Worth Compaq Use Group (the DFWCUG)eC decided to take an OpenVMS system to DEF CON 9 and play Capture the E Flag. The contender was a Compaq AlphaStationTM 4/233 system with 512 D megabytes of memory, OpenVMS .7.2-1H1 operating system, TCP/IP 5.0a,E Apache, and Point Secure security software. All software was standard7D and installed out-of-the-box. Also loaded onto the system were a fewC added services such as WEBserver pages, interactive Telnet accountssC for any hackers who logged into the OpenVMS system to hack from the9A inside, and a public & Games account for hackers who got tired of, hacking!  > For two and a half days, the hackers bombarded the server withE different TCP/IP attacks and some internal attacks - but none of them ? was able to break the security or hack into the OpenVMS server.oE Throughout the event, Point Secure Softwares System Detective ProductaA recorded every attack and every keystroke, and gave the system an + extra layer of protection from the hackers!   F On the last day of the event, during the last half hour of the CaptureC the Flag contest, the judges put a note on the scoreboard that they D thought the OpenVMS system was virtually unhackable.Immediately, allE hacking attempts against the AlphaStation system ceased. For the last F half hour of the contest, the OpenVMS system coasted across the finishE line with not one of the hackers bothering to waste their time on thee OpenVMS server!6  A At the DEF CON 9 wrap-up session, the judges declared the OpenVMSoF server cool because its services were continuously available and neverE hacked during the contest. The rest of the hacker teams also gave thetB server props(kudos) as well because they were not able to root the system or break in.   C Steve Smiley of the DFWCUG delivered a security white paper on what'> was learned about the hackers attacks at CETS 2001 in Anaheim, California this month.  < For more information, see the DFWCUG Quadwords newsletter at www.dfwcug.org/ F Also visit www.defcon.org/, www.pointsecure.com/ and www.cets2001.com/   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:37:19 -0700 (PDT)9 From: Lorin@LockTrack.comd! Subject: Really Unhackable...????2. Message-ID: <01092113371954@lto.locktrack.com>  : Thanks for this mini-report.  In spite of any hoo-haw over9 "paid-access-only" to the recent CETS conference notes, I 9 truly hope that somebody can find and post Steve Smiley'st; security white paper as a "public service"... VMS is indeedu: nearly invincible, but *I* never let my guard down, and am2 always interested in learning more.  Thanks again.   -- Lorin   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:36:26 -0400 - From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com>e% Subject: Re: Really Unhackable...????y, Message-ID: <3BABCEFA.34A45484@peoplepc.com>   krish wrote: >  > Hi,a > A > I came across the following article today, and i was surprised. D > Many of my friends tell me that VMS is unhackable because not many
 > use/knowF > about VMS ,and hence hackers are not interested in hacking it. These> > friends work on  windows, and they justify windows's hackingH > vulnerability to its wide usage.Is this really true....are hackers notH > interested in hacking VMS because its not widely used/known or is it a  > really tough job to hack VMS ?  T I will never say that any computing system is 100% absolutely unhackable, but VMS isU probably one of the best on the market.  Why ?  Because security was designed in from T the beginning.  Maybe this is my so many stock exchanges, lotteries, banks, etc. useH VMS.  You don't find it on to many desk tops but it is in the back room.  U The most common VMS hack is a "wet hack" (convincing a human to give up a password orrR using a simple password for important accounts).  Read the book "The Kukoo's (sp?)% Egg" about the "early days"  hacking.   
 Jack Patteeuwh   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:36:23 GMTeL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")% Subject: Re: Really Unhackable...????t8 Message-ID: <00A02654.C7377070@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  f In article <19e2ed27.0109211204.4c9d48e6@posting.google.com>, meetkrishnas@hotmail.com (krish) writes: >Hi, >i@ >I came across the following article today, and i was surprised.C >Many of my friends tell me that VMS is unhackable because not many2	 >use/know2E >about VMS ,and hence hackers are not interested in hacking it. TheseR= >friends work on  windows, and they justify windows's hackingAG >vulnerability to its wide usage.Is this really true....are hackers notuG >interested in hacking VMS because its not widely used/known or is it av >really tough job to hack VMS ?n >t  M It's a really tough job to hack VMS in any interesting way.  (It's not immunetN to various denial-of-service attacks, or to having the passwords to privilegedK accounts sniffed if plaintext connections are used, etc - those have little  to do with VMS per se.)r  L It's certainly possible to configure a VMS system to be wide open.  Make allN accounts privileged, don't require a password on the SYSTEM account, etc, etc,3 but a well-managed VMS system will be quite secure.   L VMS has been produced in an engineering culture that believes in things likeN checking buffer lengths rather than trusting the rest of the world not to giveL you too much stuff to copy in, so buffer overflow attacks (probably the most- fruitful on Unix) aren't generally a problem.o  L If you manage to get access to a normal user account, you can't do very much damage to the system.   H In addition, A lot of the vulnerabilities of particular Unix and WindowsN systems might be difficult or complicated to exploit ordinarily, but have beenN encapsulated in scripts so that even dimwits can do them.  Such scripts aren'tH generally available for VMS, so if you're a script kiddie, VMS will look completely unhackable.   -- Alan/  O ===============================================================================-0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056oM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210oO ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2001 12:46:08 -0700+ From: stephane_paquin@hotmail.com (SPaquin)H( Subject: Uninstall global section in DCL< Message-ID: <fdd7874.0109211146.272a2265@posting.google.com>   Hi !F My programs create group permanent global sections using $crmpsc, withE a file associated to keep the content during system reboot or processr= activations. The file content is refreshed periodically usingb& $updsecw. All this is well documented.  A At an orderly system shutdown, my system manager would like me toeB uninstall the sections that have been created. From the formidable? experience of people in the newsgroup, I would like to find thec following :>  E Is there a way to uninstall these global sections using a DCL commandV ?FF Do I absolutely need to make a program that will call $dgblsc with the section name ?F Is the section written to disk a last time when it is deleted (install ou $dgblsc)?C If I make the sections temporary instead of permanent, is there anye
 downside ?B Is the data of a temporary global section written to disk when the? last accessor releases the section and the section is deleted ?r   All opinions are welcome. 
 Thank you alle Stephane   Opinions expressed are mine.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:29:30 GMTL2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Uninstall global section in DCL1 Message-ID: <_iOq7.480$YP.17166@news.cpqcorp.net>t  j In article <fdd7874.0109211146.272a2265@posting.google.com>, stephane_paquin@hotmail.com (SPaquin) writes:G :Is there a way to uninstall these global sections using a DCL command?i  @   Nope.  You'd have to switch to an installed writable shareable/   image, something I generally don't recommend.A  G :Do I absolutely need to make a program that will call $dgblsc with theA :section name ?p  D   That's up to you, but you would want to (need to) use a program if#   you choose to delete the section.r  G :Is the section written to disk a last time when it is deleted (install-
 :ou $dgblsc)?-  5   I tend to use $updsecw before deleting the section.t  D :If I make the sections temporary instead of permanent, is there any :downside ?f  >   Not really.  I tend to use the temporary sections, but which=   (temporary or permanent) is more appropriate depends on theo&   particular application requirements.   C :Is the data of a temporary global section written to disk when thes@ :last accessor releases the section and the section is deleted ?     Yes.  @   There are (potentially) related discussions in Ask The Wizard =   area, in topics (2681), (1661), (4647), (6099), and (6984).     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2001 17:33:38 -0700/ From: on_the_move4ever@yahoo.com (Rick Nickles)u  Subject: VAX 7000 Installed Base= Message-ID: <b2faac46.0109211633.4e12ca92@posting.google.com>   > I'm looking to find out what the installed base (i.e. how manyF machines are out there currently in use (in the US/Worldwide))  is for the VAX 7000 product line.  = I'm not sure how to go about getting this information.  Ideas  appreciated.   Thanks   Rick Nickles Stora Enso North America   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:43:09 -0500c1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: VAX 7000 Installed Base' Message-ID: <3BABFABD.701A8C16@fsi.net>a   Rick Nickles wrote:a > @ > I'm looking to find out what the installed base (i.e. how manyH > machines are out there currently in use (in the US/Worldwide))  is for > the VAX 7000 product line. > ? > I'm not sure how to go about getting this information.  Ideasa > appreciated.  & Now *THAT* is a truly curious request.  @ What special value do VAX 7000s have other than being in-cabinet upgradable to Alpha?   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:28:26 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h Subject: VAX disaster toleranceo, Message-ID: <3BAC0558.F6D83D90@videotron.ca>  N After the WTC disaster, someone posted a note asking for anyone with a certainK vax model number to eventually rebuild their cluster now that they had lost>' the node(s) in the destroyed buildings.   H I am curious as to what policies corporations would have with regards toF end-of-lifed hardware in disaster tolerant  /mission critical systems.  M While a vax cluster may be built as mission critical disaster tolerant systemuN and last a very long time, what happens when replacement hardware is no longer available ?   K A disaster may very well allow you to switch to the backup site easily, but0M when the time comes to rebuild your main site, what will you do ? A migrationd? to another platform (Alpha or Intel) will be necessary, right ?n  J Would corporations insist that current VAXes used in a mission critical beI migrated to Alpha as soon as VAX hardware is no longer available from thekN vendor, would they tolerate buying second hand VAX machines as replacemenst inJ case one fails, or would they remain blind to the problem until a disaster@ happens and they realise they can't replace the loast machines ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:30:34 GMT.' From: Steve Thompson <smt@twcny.rr.com>m Subject: Re: VAX DOCUMENT.I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109211929500.4282-100000@ibmbox.vgersoft.com>   . On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  / > If you use DECdoc with at least version 3.2 :  > 1 > $ DEFINE DOC$HTML_OPTIONS "MANUAL_SEGMENTATION"c > 6 > (This will make the body of your SGML file to become@ > one (large) HTML file. The Index will will be a separate file.> > You can than add <html_segment>("apples") tags to split your  > HTML output wherever you want.  I Mmm, interesting. I have been a big user of DECdoc for many years, and amrI currently using version 3.3. Under this version, and under 3.2 before it,bH I was never able to get these options to do anything. Please reveal your secrets!   Steven   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:00:16 GMTm6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>" Subject: Re: We are back from CETSD Message-ID: <AoRq7.6804$Hx1.579166@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  K Glad you folks got home without too much delay.  As a "local" to CETS I haduK the option of short drive home, but stayed the week.  My opinion is that by H giving in and going home to hide, I'm allow "them" to score intimidationF points.  To the speakers who stayed thank you.  To those who felt they8 needed to return home, I hope your travel went smoothly.  K A big thank you to Compaq and the CETS staff for the way the conference was H handled after WTC news broke.  After a day's timeout, the conference wasI rescheduled, with somber mood, but continuing.  The business of CETS wenti8 on, and, in my mind, that counts as a defiant statement.   -- Andy Bustamanteh Remove the ASCII 95s to replyu      = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in messageg+ news:IkOp7.324$YP.11096@news.cpqcorp.net...e > Dear Newsgroup,f >a' > Thank you very much for your concern.w >tJ > I just wanted to let you know that everyone from the VMS group that went to3 > CETS are fine (in my opinion they are wonderful).  >-K > There was obvious sorrow and sadness expressed by everyone in attendance, 2 > but also determination to continue which we did. >:G > All Compaq employees  were given the option of not doing our sessions J > because of the crisis last week  All the VMS people stayed and did their > sessions.i > I > For Mark Gorham's session there was standing room only and folks seemed@ > happy with the session.  >e. > I would be very interested in your feedback. >a > Warm Regards,s >t > Sueu >h >i >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:30:24 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>i Subject: Re: World Trade Centerh( Message-ID: <9og0t0$26f$1@pyrite.mv.net>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message+ news:x7Iq7.458$YP.16744@news.cpqcorp.net...t >e< > Bill Todd wrote in message <9oducm$su4$1@pyrite.mv.net>... > >:C > >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in messagea. > >news:Yhpq7.424$YP.16346@news.cpqcorp.net...? > >> Bill Todd wrote in message <9oak8b$ie8$1@pyrite.mv.net>...w > >> >K > >> >The first step in persuasion is making some attempt to understand andc > >reactI > >> >to what the person you're trying to persuade is saying.  Should youh	 > >decideTK > >> >to do so and start debating issues rather than misconceptions, actuall  > >> >progress might well occur. > >> > > >> > >> > >> Ditto right back at ya. > >eB > >Do we really have fourth-graders developing software in ZK now? > >?I > >Take the last, detailed post I responded to you with, and respond withK" > >similar detail (and relevance). > >e >r >OI > It is not worth the time to respond to you.  You are not looking for ant open2 > discussion, just for everyone to agree with you.  < For anyone else out there who might still be involved, then:  I The above is a pretty classic excuse for failing to engage in a difficult J discussion:  actually thinking about stances your gut disagrees with takes1 real work, and a lot of people aren't used to it.f  J 'Put up or shut up' is the appropriate response.  I'm sorry Fred chose the latter.a   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2001 13:29:21 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e Subject: Re: World Trade Centers3 Message-ID: <8MD+lU2mhaWd@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  c In article <3BAB783F.38E8D4CE@TeraPort.de>, Martin Knoblauch <Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de> writes: < >>    What nation do you think Barbary pirates qualifies as? > F >  That is the problem. They are just that - criminals that need to beH > prosecuted. But there is not coutry that they represent. So you cannot > have a war.  >   E    But we already did.  Therefor it set a precedent, and we can do it 	    again.r   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Sep 2001 18:46:42 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: World Trade Centere, Message-ID: <9og1ui$2mgk$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  H In article <y4bsk4d0wf.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,J  Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes: |>O |> You'll rarely find people telling you "avoid this part of town at all costs"sL |> or "don't be found walking on the street after dark" hereabouts, while it1 |> seems pervasive on the other side of the pond.c  C I think it is more a matter of perception.  I have lived in, workedeE in or visited: NYC, DC, Baltimore, Boston, DFW, Atlanta, LA, Orlando,tB Tampa, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, etc.  And I currently live in theA 4th largest Metro area of PA.  I have never been afraid to go outFB after dark and being an avid walker, frequently have, on foot.  By@ the same token, I can remember a very uncomfortable time walkingB through the streets of Frankfurt, Germany (near Goethe University)? late one night after my poor little Fiat died.  I am sure I wast? never in any danger, but at the time, being an American in thath3 neighborhood did not feel particularly comfortable.t   bill   -- kJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:38:53 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: World Trade Center-, Message-ID: <3BAC23ED.1050506@tsoft-inc.com>   Bill Todd wrote:  ;  > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in messageb  ?  > America affects the entire world, constantly and profoundly.sA  > Sometimes it's for the good, sometimes not - and regardless ofo=  > whether the net effect is positive, it's not spread aroundoE  > *evenly*, so there are many parts of the world where the local netbE  > effect is negative.  There is a very common tendency for people in @  > America, if they're aware of this at all, just to shrug theirF  > shoulders, say "That's the way the cookie crumbles", and proceed toF  >  ignore the situation.  Events like Tuesday's are possibly the onlyF  >  way that the otherwise powerless affected peoples can tell us thatC  >  we simply can't do that, since we just seem to be too busy withw4  > our own concerns to pay much attention otherwise.  >%  > *That's* why talking is important.a  >	  > - bill       H Well, I see my good friends Bill and Rob are at it again.  At least theyA can continue to talk.  Off topic for the list, but not for today.   > Just some reality.  Events like Tuesday are 100% unacceptable, regardless of the reason.n  F While things are never even, or fair, those poor powerless people haveH the same chance as the rest of the world to prosper.  That they don't isD not the fault of the USA.  Not in any meaningful way.  Remember, allD those who think talking is better, (which it is), that you have thatH capability because of the blood and lives of countless people throughoutC the history (sometimes good, sometimes not so good) of our country.t= Nobody handed us any freedoms, our ancestors fought for them.   D At this time I think talking is out of the question.  September 11thC cost the USA more than double of it's citizens than Pearl Harbor in D 1941.  From that perspectives, the response should be double of whatF followed Pearl Harbor.  So, what is that, 4 nukes?  Just joking.  WhatE I'm hoping to see is a prolonged effort to eradicate the environment,gG anywhere on the planet, where terrorism, injustice, and intolerance can7 exist.  F Might be an impossible job, seeing as the single worst thing that has I happened to the world is religion, and here it is acting once again as a .8 mask for the dark side the harm people do to each other.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:00:27 -0400n- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>e Subject: Re: WTC - a final wordl2 Message-ID: <bfLq7.29914$Z2.418912@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  3 "John McLean" <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> wrote in messages$ news:3BAB6CD0.A967BB39@dplanet.ch...H > This is my final comment on the WTC/Pentagon attacks.  It is a lengthy >...  5 Please don't change the subject line on a thread thatfH some^H^H^H^Hmany^H^H^H^Hmost of us are now blocking. When I want to readK comments on what happened on 11-SEP-2001 I go to other newsgroups on my ownSL time. COMP.OS.VMS I read at the office since there are discussions here thatL help me do my job better. The company that pays for my time does not want me reading about doves and hawks.  I When looking through the various posting here I used to see certain namesnF and think, "this person has great technical skills, I better read thisL message." Other names would cause me to think "this person really knows whatJ is going on in the business world, I better read this message." Now when IJ see some names I think about what a fool they are for what they said about< SUV's, Global Warming, or the whole World Trade Center mess.  C People, this is a newsgroup for VMS related topics. There are otheriH newsgroups and even private e-mail that should be used for other topics.( Please take these discussions elsewhere.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.527 ************************e, VMS will look completely unhackable.   -- Alan/  O ===============================================================================-0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056oM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORgcuozʋUd_58&o46'FYslRd%]_U	~>M7d^Xh|!x3W{]wƘ~q!MWp
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