1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 25 Sep 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 533       Contents:+ Re: c$main undefined in hello-world program + Re: c$main undefined in hello-world program  Re: CETS2001 presentations Re: CETS2001 presentations Re: cpio ported to OpenVMS?  Re: cpio ported to OpenVMS? $ Re: HAving a Brain Fart on Blocks/MB. HOW DO I change FAB file attributes in C code?2 Re: How do I send an attachment with OpenVMS mail?2 Re: How do I send an attachment with OpenVMS mail?2 Re: How do I send an attachment with OpenVMS mail?2 Re: How do I send an attachment with OpenVMS mail?D Re: In times like these ... OpenVMS now more than ever for security! LIB$CONVERT_DATE_STRING 0 Re: Mozilla 0.9.4 last one available on VMS V7.10 Re: Mozilla 0.9.4 last one available on VMS V7.1  New..Wiring in terminals...help?$ Re: New..Wiring in terminals...help?$ Re: New..Wiring in terminals...help?$ Re: New..Wiring in terminals...help?$ Re: New..Wiring in terminals...help?$ Re: New..Wiring in terminals...help?A Re: OT: Gartner Recommends Businesses Look At Alternatives To IIS  Re: OT: WTC Uncle Sam  Pointy-Haired-manager toy & Re: Question: Limiting Processor Usage$ Time To Publicize VMSClusters At WTC Re: VAX 7000 Installed Base  Re: VAX disaster tolerance Re: VAX disaster tolerance Re: VAX disaster tolerance( Re: VAX-Alpha Migration: COBOL/BASIC/FMS Re: We are back from CETS A Re: What file executes the Login.com file for vax-vms v6.0??????? A Re: What file executes the Login.com file for vax-vms v6.0??????? & Re: Whose Running The Oldest Software? Re: World Trade Center Re: World Trade Center Re: World Trade Center Re: World Trade Center Re: World Trade Center Re: World Trade Center Re: World Trade Center Re: World Trade Center, [jfc] Seen in one of my older crash dumps...C Re: [OpenVMS] V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't find V7.3 Alpha bootserver C Re: [OpenVMS] V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't find V7.3 Alpha bootserver C Re: [OpenVMS] V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't find V7.3 Alpha bootserver > Re: [VMScluster] Cross Architecture Boot with Cluster_Config ?> Re: [VMScluster] Cross Architecture Boot with Cluster_Config ?> Re: [VMScluster] Cross Architecture Boot with Cluster_Config ?> Re: [VMScluster] Cross Architecture Boot with Cluster_Config ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2001 15:19:56 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: c$main undefined in hello-world program3 Message-ID: <7+dzop7UOwMO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <87266f0d.0109240936.74701e6e@posting.google.com>, 0vazan@st.fmph.uniba.sk (Bubak) writes: # > I get this error from "link test" 5 > LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol C$MAIN referenced C > Along with C$PRINTF undefined and message details. "cc test" went 2 > without errors. "test.c" is typical hello-world: > #include <stdio.h> > int main() > {  > printf("hello!\n");  > return 0;  > }   A    Either your compiling with an unusual compiler (gcc maybe), or =    the CC command is aliased to have very unusual qualifiers.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2001 14:23:30 -0700/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers) 4 Subject: Re: c$main undefined in hello-world program= Message-ID: <754a27c1.0109241323.5e0773f2@posting.google.com>   j 0vazan@st.fmph.uniba.sk (Bubak) wrote in message news:<87266f0d.0109240936.74701e6e@posting.google.com>...# > I get this error from "link test" 5 > LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol C$MAIN referenced C > Along with C$PRINTF undefined and message details. "cc test" went 2 > without errors. "test.c" is typical hello-world: > #include <stdio.h> > int main() > {  > printf("hello!\n");  > return 0;  > }   F Assuming you are compiling with VAX C (as opposed to DEC C, now Compaq7 C, soon to be HP C?), you need to link against VAXCRTL.   < One way to do this is with an options file.  Create the file  VAXCRTL.OPT containing the line:         Sys$Share:VAXCRTL/SHARE    Then use the link command:         $ LINK TEST,VAXCRTL/OPT    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:16:22 GMT 0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)# Subject: Re: CETS2001 presentations 1 Message-ID: <aELr7.556$YP.19821@news.cpqcorp.net>   % The presentations have been 'htmized'   5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/presentations/cets2001       --  B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingK Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@remove.compaq.com L 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@remove.ma.ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:25:56 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> # Subject: Re: CETS2001 presentations ' Message-ID: <3BAFEB34.5DE55C13@fsi.net>    Warren Sander wrote: > ' > The presentations have been 'htmized'  > 6 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/presentations/cets2001  F As one of the grateful, OpenVMS faithful, I thank you. (Note, however, that I speak only for myself.)   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:08:55 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> $ Subject: Re: cpio ported to OpenVMS?( Message-ID: <3BAF84C7.ED62FBD@gtech.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:2 > Take a look at their downloadables, for example: > B > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RELEASE/doc/ > I > Notice there is doc.aa through doc.cd. Append these together into, say, 1 > doc.tgz, then unpack it like any other tarball.  > F > ...yet their installation system (which does *NOT* use install.sh inF > that directory) uses cpio to read the segments sequentially and pipe: > them through gunzip to decompress and tar to un-archive. > I > Been that way since I first started playing with it back around V2.2 or  > so.    ????  > One archiver (cpio) uses another archiver (tar) to unarchive ?   Something do not sound rigth.   @ BTW, I found an online description of cpio and tar format on the net. Please compare yourself:   / http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man4/cpio.4.asp . http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man4/tar.4.asp   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:55:40 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: cpio ported to OpenVMS?' Message-ID: <3BAFE41B.91990766@fsi.net>    Arne Vajhj wrote: > [snip]  H All I can say is, when I start out with FreeBSD, I had only a CDROM-lessF 386. That meant using the diskette approach. When I missed a *.?? file> on one of the diskettes, the program that complained was cpio.  4 Dunno what to tell ya - I can only go by what I see.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:49:03 GMT  From: sfm1115@bjc.org (sfm) - Subject: Re: HAving a Brain Fart on Blocks/MB 1 Message-ID: <3baf7205.275187198@news.starnet.net>    THanks to all.....  > On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:26:02 GMT, sfm1115@bjc.org (sfm) wrote:  * >Sorry folks but I am having a brain fart. > B >What is the formula to translate free blocks into MB.  is it Free >Blocks / 1024 = Free MB >  >Thanks  >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:12:59 +0000 (UTC) % From: "Mark Hei" <markhei@iceweb.net> 7 Subject: HOW DO I change FAB file attributes in C code? H Message-ID: <acb3b71f6da210da1ff544fabcb0d59a.27904@mygate.mailgate.org>   Hello,   and thanks in advance.    B I would like to write C-code to open a file in C using sys$open(),J sys$connect(), and then disregard the settings for the Format and CarriageL Control Attributes, and have the sys$get() calls read the data as if it is a- format=undefined and carriage control = none.   H I think there is a macro called $FAB_STORE, but I do not know how to use this...   O The file attributes are originally STREAM_LF with CC set...  and the problem is N that sometimes the files do not have any record delimeters in them because the% attributes have been set incorrectly.   + Could you send ideas to markhei@iceweb.net?    Thanks,    Mark H.      --  = Posted from me-bangor2c-43.bngrme.adelphia.net [24.50.42.43]  1 via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2001 11:14:43 -0700$ From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm); Subject: Re: How do I send an attachment with OpenVMS mail? = Message-ID: <c67e4bdd.0109241014.61511bdc@posting.google.com>   @ I tried to send a text file using send/foreign and when the fileE arrived in Outlook the message was the text file, not an attachment.   Did I do something wrong?   \ carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<21SEP200112234618@gerg.tamu.edu>...) > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam writes... W > }In article <3BAB2674.298C41CE@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: 
 > }:jm wrote: F > }:> How do I send an attachment with OpenVMS mail?  I also have smtp4 > }:> installed.  OpenVMS version 7.2-1.  Thank you. > }:D > }:I can report varying degrees of success with Mail's SEND/FOREIGN > }:command/qualifier. > } D > }  SEND/FOREIGN is an undocumented command specific to the MAIL-11I > }  protocol, and suitable only for DECnet-to-DECnet email using MAIL-11 G > }  protocol; it will work only if there is a continous DECnet MAIL-11 G > }  connection -- no mail bridges or gateways, etc. between the sender I > }  and the receiver.  SEND/FOREIGN is not associated with MIME-encoding L > }  of SMTP nor is it related to what most folks think of as "attachments". > } Q > } ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- Q > }      For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com     Q > } --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- O > }   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  > G > Multinet extends this to some basic SMTP MIME-encoding when it's SMTP  > transport is used. > / > From the Multinet DECODE example in the help:  > L >          Binary files can be sent via SMTP using the undocumented /FOREIGNL >          qualifier of the OpenVMS Mail SEND command. The following exampleH >          shows how to send such a file and use DECODE to translate the& >          corresponding mail message: > ? >          1. First, send a executable file using OpenVMS Mail:  >  >             $ MAIL3 >             MAIL>SEND /FOREIGN /NOEDIT BINARY.EXE - >             To:     SMTP%"TREEFROG@ABC.COM"   >             Subj:   BINARY.EXE > K >          2. When the file arrives, store the ASCII-encoded mail as a text  >             file:  >  >             $ MAIL. >             MAIL>EXTRACT/NOHEADER BINARY.TXT > J >          3. Finally, decode the BINARY.TXT file into an executable file: > 5 >             $ MULTINET DECODE BINARY.TXT BINARY.EXE  > L > This is not a general purpose MIME and attachment thing - while it is usesJ > MIME and base64 encoding, it will almost certainly only work if both theN > sender and receiver are using Multinet on VMS (or possibly TCPWARE - ProcessN > may have enabled both pieces of software to communicate with each other this > way).  > 
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:43:36 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) ; Subject: Re: How do I send an attachment with OpenVMS mail? 1 Message-ID: <3baf7e76.192612191@news.process.com>   I On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:36:06 +0200, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?=  <noone@home.com> wrote:   : >No, you didn't do anything "wrong". It just doesn't work.: >You can *not* use $ MAIL> SEND/FOREIGN to a non-VMS user.; >Only between two VMS systems. I you read the earlier posts 1 >on this subject, this should be perfectly clear.  > 6 Slight clarification: you can do it if you use /TYPE=1: with MultiNet, TCPware, and MX.  /TYPE=1 creates a generic; MIME-encoding most PC programs will accept.  However, it is 7 true that the message is the encoded file---it's not an  attachment, per se.   ? And some PC readers will decode the VMS-specific encoding, too.    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:36:06 +0200 < From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com>; Subject: Re: How do I send an attachment with OpenVMS mail? ( Message-ID: <3BAF7D16.65AE3504@home.com>  9 No, you didn't do anything "wrong". It just doesn't work. 9 You can *not* use $ MAIL> SEND/FOREIGN to a non-VMS user. : Only between two VMS systems. I you read the earlier posts0 on this subject, this should be perfectly clear.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.   	 jm wrote:  > B > I tried to send a text file using send/foreign and when the fileF > arrived in Outlook the message was the text file, not an attachment. > Did I do something wrong?  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:12:12 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ; Subject: Re: How do I send an attachment with OpenVMS mail? ) Message-ID: <3BAF858C.4834A511@gtech.com>    Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: ; > No, you didn't do anything "wrong". It just doesn't work. ; > You can *not* use $ MAIL> SEND/FOREIGN to a non-VMS user. < > Only between two VMS systems. I you read the earlier posts2 > on this subject, this should be perfectly clear.  : Actually certain SMTP packages can convert a VMS "foreign"7 send to MIME Base64 encoded. PMDF can. But UCX can not.   < And usually you want to have both a text plus an attachment, which is not possible.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:28:11 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> M Subject: Re: In times like these ... OpenVMS now more than ever for security! ( Message-ID: <3BAF975B.D7370A8@rdrop.com>   Paul Sture wrote:  > @ > I'm still running Windows in parallel, but am now anticipatingD > being able to can it completely in the very near future. Yessssss!  A http://www.vmware.com/ . I'm about this -> <- far from converting ? one of my machines to Linux & Star Office, and using VMWare for * the few things that I can't do from Linux.  B The primary machine that I use, though, will have to stay Windoze,E as I'm doing gui programming there (To connect to a VMS/RDB backend).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:30:39 -0400 0 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca.spammenot>  Subject: LIB$CONVERT_DATE_STRING5 Message-ID: <%NLr7.62261$TW.338095@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>    Hi!   - The date "N" is valid for this function. Why?   J "N" is seen as November, and the missing fields are taken from the defaultJ date. This is the standard stuff, except that abreviations for month namesL are accepted by this routine whereas in other system services or even at the $ prompt, they are not.    $ say f$cvt("-NOV")  2001-11-24 00:00:00.00 $ say f$cvt("-N") J %DCL-W-IVATIME, invalid absolute time - use DD-MMM-YYYY:HH:MM:SS.CC format  \-N\  $ print f/after="-n"J %DCL-W-IVATIME, invalid absolute time - use DD-MMM-YYYY:HH:MM:SS.CC format  \-n\  $ print f/after="-nov"C Job F (queue IVAWP5, entry 1008800) holding until 24-NOV-2001 00:00   H Does anyone know of a way to make this routine not accept abbreviations?   Thanks!    --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:58:13 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> 9 Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9.4 last one available on VMS V7.1 - Message-ID: <3BAF73A1.1E559301@theblakes.com>   E The released and supported version of Mozilla 1.0 will require V7.2-1 B (by then 7.1-2 will be either almost out of, or just out of, priorH version support). You also need 7.2-1 if you want to use Java in MozillaD (7.2-1 is a requirement for Java 1.3). So the minimum version of VMSG required for Mozilla is going to change at some point. But, due to youreG feedback, for the next Mozilla baselevel or two we can keep the minimumI	 at 7.1-2.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:05:10 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i9 Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.9.4 last one available on VMS V7.1 ' Message-ID: <3BAFE656.5719F412@fsi.net>m   Colin Blake wrote: > G > The released and supported version of Mozilla 1.0 will require V7.2-1 D > (by then 7.1-2 will be either almost out of, or just out of, priorJ > version support). You also need 7.2-1 if you want to use Java in MozillaF > (7.2-1 is a requirement for Java 1.3). So the minimum version of VMSI > required for Mozilla is going to change at some point. But, due to youreI > feedback, for the next Mozilla baselevel or two we can keep the minimumA > at 7.1-2.s   FWIW...e  C Some of us are still nursing commercially licensed PCM and DECps ong? V6.2(-1H3). Guess we won't be running Mozilla on those boxes...0   -- a David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2001 11:31:17 -0700 From: pbx@cometlink.com (G)h) Subject: New..Wiring in terminals...help?-< Message-ID: <99f1583.0109241031.61b60c1a@posting.google.com>   Hello,  A I recently got intrested in VAX/VMS and had an idea.  All the oldrF systems just had terminals wired in to one central machines, I want toF do something like that.  I have a regular lAN over ethernet but that'sE not fun anymore.  So, if I wanted to do this with an old VAX machine,sC how would I do it?  Does the terminal wire into the COM ports?  I'msF really ignorant on this, and I know it's rather outdated, but any info	 is great.V   Also, any old VAXes for sale?  w  ( Email (pbx@cometlink.net) or post reply.   Thanks.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:50 +0200 < From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com>- Subject: Re: New..Wiring in terminals...help?-( Message-ID: <3BAF7E32.6110FB6A@home.com>  + A common setup is a combination av the two.o4 VT terminals with RS232 connections to some terminalA servers who are then LAN-connected (LAT or IP) to the VMS system.i: If you'd like to have serial communications the whole way,< you could just put the term server on top of the VMS box :-)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   PS.o; Not many that "recently got intrested in VAX/VMS", b.t.w...f DS.e   G wrote: >  > Hello, > C > I recently got intrested in VAX/VMS and had an idea.  All the old"H > systems just had terminals wired in to one central machines, I want toH > do something like that.  I have a regular lAN over ethernet but that'sG > not fun anymore.  So, if I wanted to do this with an old VAX machine,rE > how would I do it?  Does the terminal wire into the COM ports?  I'mpH > really ignorant on this, and I know it's rather outdated, but any info > is great.m >  > Also, any old VAXes for sale?  > * > Email (pbx@cometlink.net) or post reply. > 	 > Thanks.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2001 15:21:25 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: New..Wiring in terminals...help?,3 Message-ID: <IDEZ9qTaTv2t@eisner.encompasserve.org>P  Z In article <99f1583.0109241031.61b60c1a@posting.google.com>, pbx@cometlink.com (G) writes: > Hello, > C > I recently got intrested in VAX/VMS and had an idea.  All the olduH > systems just had terminals wired in to one central machines, I want toH > do something like that.  I have a regular lAN over ethernet but that'sG > not fun anymore.  So, if I wanted to do this with an old VAX machine, E > how would I do it?  Does the terminal wire into the COM ports?  I'mlH > really ignorant on this, and I know it's rather outdated, but any info > is great.e >   ?    Older VAXen, like mostolder systems, had terminal controllerr>    boards which provided 8 to 16 serial connections per board.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:17:24 +0200d" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>- Subject: Re: New..Wiring in terminals...help?-( Message-ID: <9oo7rr$h8k$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  K You can connect the serial console ports of VAxes and Alpha's to a terminalmJ server. DNPG (www.dnpg.com) still makes them, and a good many are sold forJ this purpose. Now DEC had a nice tool called VCS that made it real easy to configure the terminal server.I The terminal server works with LAT (actually you've got to set up reverse  LATR- so that rules out the DS100 and DS550) or IP.-B There are terminal servers with up to 32 ports (perhaps 64 even?).  
 Hans Vlems  & G <pbx@cometlink.com> wrote in message6 news:99f1583.0109241031.61b60c1a@posting.google.com... > Hello, >:C > I recently got intrested in VAX/VMS and had an idea.  All the old H > systems just had terminals wired in to one central machines, I want toH > do something like that.  I have a regular lAN over ethernet but that'sG > not fun anymore.  So, if I wanted to do this with an old VAX machine,lE > how would I do it?  Does the terminal wire into the COM ports?  I'mwH > really ignorant on this, and I know it's rather outdated, but any info > is great.o >  > Also, any old VAXes for sale?  >a* > Email (pbx@cometlink.net) or post reply. >e	 > Thanks.-   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2001 18:02:57 -0700 From: pbx@cometlink.com (G)C- Subject: Re: New..Wiring in terminals...help?t< Message-ID: <99f1583.0109241702.1e0dd972@posting.google.com>  F Thanks to all of you for the help.  I think I'm going to go pick up anE old VAX:-)  Also, do they make graphical terminals?  Like, would I be A able to run X over one?  Thanks again:-)!  You VMS guys rock!  OheD wait, another stupid question (they're abound aren't they?):  how do$ you actually configure the terminal?  B Sure people are still getting intrested in VAX/VMS..Like poor high school kids, for example...    Thank you guys sooo much!y   Gi   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:51:25 GMTo. From: brown_du@eisner.decus.org (Duncan Brown)- Subject: Re: New..Wiring in terminals...help?d9 Message-ID: <3baff05a.101715147@news.directvinternet.com>r  ; On 24 Sep 2001 18:02:57 -0700, pbx@cometlink.com (G) wrote:   G >Thanks to all of you for the help.  I think I'm going to go pick up an-F >old VAX:-)  Also, do they make graphical terminals?  Like, would I beB >able to run X over one?  Thanks again:-)!  You VMS guys rock!  OhE >wait, another stupid question (they're abound aren't they?):  how do % >you actually configure the terminal?a  A If your VAX runs a new enough version of VMS with DECWindows, youh? certainly can run X to it!  Heck, people were doing that beforekF Billy-boy started pretending he had a windowing OS!  But nobody wanted8 to pay a few grand for every desk.  If they only knew...  F If you want to stay with the dated hardware while doing X, you'll wantA to pick up some VXT2000 terminals (and maybe an InfoServer if you-. really want to pile on the obscure equipment.)  F When you ask about configuration, if you mean DEC VT-series terminals,C then just press the F2 key and follow the menus.  If it's an LA120,tD press the setup key and hope the little crib sheet plate is still on
 the front!   Duncan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:25:38 -0400b3 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com> J Subject: Re: OT: Gartner Recommends Businesses Look At Alternatives To IIS1 Message-ID: <GGMr7.561$YP.19914@news.cpqcorp.net>e  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messaget6 news:d7791aa1.0109211306.d9ab52e@posting.google.com...6 > leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote in message# news:<9ofaai$d02$3@joe.rice.edu>...t7 > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-7239473-0.htmlc > >a >tI > thats why vms webservers are the servers of choice, apache is available  butaI > a better server right now is purveyor ... apache has a bug when runningr underoJ > multinet or tcpware and i guarantee the crispest combination is purveyorH > running under tcpware ... dec used purveyor and altavista the purveyor proxys3 > server on their old sites ... it is bullet proof!d  J CSWS Engineering in Compaq is not aware of any bugs that would prevent theH use of CSWS (Compaq's supported implementation of the Apache web server)L with either Multinet or TCPWare assuming that you've installed the necessaryK ECOs for these products. If you know of a specific problem please report it-J to your Compaq Support Center. If you don't have a support contract please) send me mail with details of the problem.a   Thanks.t -- Gaitan D'Antoni  gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com4. Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderC http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.htmlt Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:22:21 -0500u1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>3 Subject: Re: OT: WTC Uncle Sam' Message-ID: <3BAFEA5D.E37DD520@fsi.net>    Dirk Lockard wrote:1 > = > The sentiment of many Americans is expressed in this posterw > by Ron Chivari of Houston. > / >    http://bluegenie.home.att.net/unclesam.htm:  G Y'know, I know I said I wouldn't post to this thread any further, but ar= thought occurred to me and I need to share it with the group:u  D Remember earlier this year when the Taliban used cannons and such toE destroy priceless, ancient sculptures claiming that they were "idols"i and therefore forbidden?  F Weren't the twin towers "idols" of a sort - at the very least, symbols of capitalism?  F What if they had planned to attack the "ultimate" "symbol of America": the "Lady of the Harbor"?t   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:28:34 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> " Subject: Pointy-Haired-manager toy, Message-ID: <3BAFC1A1.557C321C@videotron.ca>  I The presentations from Hoff contains text that makes reader ask about the. pointy-haired-manager toy.  3 So, what is that pointy-haired-manager toy ????????T   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:49:11 -0400p0 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca.spammenot>/ Subject: Re: Question: Limiting Processor Usagea5 Message-ID: <TiKr7.62243$TW.337598@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>e   That's a diferent story.J The process will be kicked out of the system as soon as it reaches the cpu limit given.   --   Syltrem ; http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site)     ; "Anamika" <hemanir@yahoo.com> a crit dans le message news:R2 5130f039.0109240747.749ecebe@posting.google.com...L > You can experiment with authorize and modify the CPUTIME of the UID of theF > process. If the process is currently authorized for a certain amount/ > of CPUTIME, decrease it and see what happens.A+ > more help can be found in Authorize util.c >  > 2 > Jim Valley <jim_v50@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message6 news:<Xns91218AF0981Ajimv50NOSPAMcom@140.99.99.130>... > > Hello all, > > F > > Is there any way I can limit the PERCENTAGE of processor used by a process? > >lL > > I have a process that spikes every couple of minutes while it performs aK > > query, but I'd like to limit it to use only 10% of the processor at any  > > given time.n > >  > > Thanks and kind regards, > >  > > Jiml   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 2001 20:53:01 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)r- Subject: Time To Publicize VMSClusters At WTCh' Message-ID: <9oo6fd$4a5$1@joe.rice.edu>a& Keywords: vms,cluster,microsoft,ghouls  H If Microsoft can advertise their "cluster" technology using pictures of H toppling tall buildings, perhaps HP/Compaq should also be as tasteless, D and MARKET multisite VMSClusters as a way to survive such disasters:  4    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/21851.html  +   "MS shows toppling towers in ZDNet advertt#    By Thomas C Greene in Washington H    MS has a new advert for its putatively un-crashable Enterprise ServerF    Software showing two rectangular buildings, not unlike the WTC twin    towers, toppling.G    This, presumably, is their sensitive artistic representation of what )    happens when you buy that other brand:c  0    [picture of two tall buildings toppling over]  G    We've seen it in use on the ZDNet UK Web site, from which we grabbed:I    the image. The story with which it's associated is entitled "Microsoft2H    tries to ensure XP compatibility" dated 24 September by Richard Shim.C    To find the ad, one may have to refresh several times until it's     displayed."   Here's the ZDNet UK URL:  9    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2095862,00.htmlo  B You can see the "sensitive" picture after selecting "Availability" in the Microsoft ad.  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:43:11 -0400r; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> $ Subject: Re: VAX 7000 Installed Base" Message-ID: <3baf8ce7@news.si.com>  ? >I'm looking to find out what the installed base (i.e. how many G >machines are out there currently in use (in the US/Worldwide))  is forj >the VAX 7000 product line.   ( We bought two 7730s about two years ago. -- nA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comSA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.coms= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventM< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:34:09 +0100I+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> # Subject: Re: VAX disaster tolerance ' Message-ID: <3BAF98C1.43DED8AA@iee.org>p   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > In my personal opinion,a > / > after this disaster at WTC the companies willw+ > think much more in outsource their sites. . > So, they will give to Compaq or HP all their8 > datacenters to manage the OpenVMS systems for example.   That should make a few nice  juicy targets for the next cropa of terrorists to aim for!    Putting all the eggs in onee basket (or a small number of baskets) is not a good idea.  $ I guess you could have HP manage one% site on the West coast and IBM managec' another on the East coast. (And someonet* in Colorado can keep the cluster's quorum  VAX fed and watered).h   Antonio    --     ---------------i- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgD   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:30:05 +0100:+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>r# Subject: Re: VAX disaster toleranceT' Message-ID: <3BAF97CD.739DC41C@iee.org>.   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 0 > Using a "legacy"  platform as Mission Critical- > is not what we can say - a safe investment.i  ' It probably was not legacy when it was  ( installed ten years ago! I presume that # Intel still run their existing fabst$ on VAXes. When they get the software# they depend on ported to some othert platform, they may move.  2 Other places have exactly the same considerations.. There are plenty of places where the equipment% is too costly to upgrade every ten or $ fifteen years - there must be plenty( of factories still running old machinery& because it still works well enough and& changing to newer machinery would cost an absolute fortune.  # I know of one car plant here in theo UK that still had PDP-8 basedt" equipment ... they did necessarily& know that since it was just a box that$ hummed away in the corner! (This was$ ten years ago, mind you, so it might be a PDP-11 by now :-) )  / > In my opinion the upgrades should be the best  > choice for these old systems.M  $ Once you have both found the sources" for the in-house developed mission' critical code and ported it to your new ! platform (and persuaded all your  ! software suppliers to do the samen% with all the other software you use).b  3 > It is a non responsable act inside the companies.o  * Spending large amounts of money to replace( all your computing kit every three years# is not terribly responsible either. ( Especially since the commercial lifetime' of new systems is constantly decreasingB* as a result of the increasingly rapid rate of development.    Antoniok   --     --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org,   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:00:51 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a# Subject: Re: VAX disaster tolerance5+ Message-ID: <3BAFAD06.ADC7673@videotron.ca>    "antonio.carlini" wrote:, > Spending large amounts of money to replace* > all your computing kit every three years% > is not terribly responsible either.u  F That is the problem isn't it ? You don't want to waste money replacingL hardware that still does the job just for the sake of having the latest. ButK then, you also don't want to get a rude awakening because you can no longerhM get replacement machines after a disaster even though you didn't realise that.2 problem as your configuration was still supported.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:13:25 +0200o From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>1 Subject: Re: VAX-Alpha Migration: COBOL/BASIC/FMS ' Message-ID: <3BAF85D5.1E441F5C@home.nl>:  G The latest Cobol compiler (V2.7) can produce code that is optimized foreE the type of processor in your system, check the documentation for thew  /architecture and /opt switches.D Furthermore read your RMS manuals again for maximum file throughput.F Alpha I/O is way faster than VAX I/O, and optimizing the way you files, are accessed can be of great benifit to you.H And don't forget global areas with files, and the Virtual IO cache .....      ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:o  2 > We have an app that we need to migrate that uses > FMS, COBOL, and BASIC. >r4 > Does anyone have any tips on what compiler options1 > we should use and/or what to watch out for whenn > recompiling the pieces?  >  > -Norm    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2001 13:36:40 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)0" Subject: Re: We are back from CETS= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0109241236.70df39d8@posting.google.com>.  . My materials from CETS2001 may all be found at% http://www.geocities.com/keithparris/i  ( Seminar: VMS Clusters: Advanced Concepts  > Interactive Workshop: Network Monitoring for LAVCs (how to use LAVC$FAILURE_ANALYSIS)  E Session: Riding the Dot-Com Wave: A Case Study in Extreme VMS Clustera Scalability C -------------------------------------------------------------------oC Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on:wC Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/Oi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:59:04 -0400d; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>hJ Subject: Re: What file executes the Login.com file for vax-vms v6.0???????$ Message-ID: <3baf828f$1@news.si.com>  L >Are you sure that the authorize database is configured to execute that file >for that user ? >  >$SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM >$MC AUTHORIZE SHOW <username> >  >The important fields are  >DEFAULT: device:[directory] >LGICMD: LOGIN  K Nonsense, JF.  The LGICMD field does not need a value if you intend to haveeK your login command procedure named LOGIN.COM.  You obviously don't read the  documentation. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comaA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comg= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventt< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:02:32 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>dJ Subject: Re: What file executes the Login.com file for vax-vms v6.0???????' Message-ID: <3BAFE5B8.46495221@fsi.net>n   Brian Tillman wrote: > N > >Are you sure that the authorize database is configured to execute that file > >for that user ? > >l > >$SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM  > >$MC AUTHORIZE SHOW <username> > >n > >The important fields are- > >DEFAULT: device:[directory] > >LGICMD: LOGIN > M > Nonsense, JF.  The LGICMD field does not need a value if you intend to have.M > your login command procedure named LOGIN.COM.  You obviously don't read thel > documentation.   Y'know what I've never tried?   = What happens when there's no value in the LGICMD field, and a H system-wide logical exists called LOGIN that points ... Well, maybe I'll3 try that next time I go hacking on the hobby Alpha.n   -- e David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:29:59 -0500m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a/ Subject: Re: Whose Running The Oldest Software?y' Message-ID: <3BAFEC27.7F3D07FB@fsi.net>.   Dean Woodward wrote: >  > Jonathan McCormack wrote:o > >n9 > > While shutting down our systems we came across an old 4 > > VaxStation 4000 VLC that we had forgotten about.D > > All old stuff, but it was up for 482 days and does the job well. > J > Ironic that the best advertising you can give a system is that it ran so/ > well it's managers forgot about it.  *sigh*.s   8 T'would make an excellent world-wide ad campaign, IMO... -- m David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:23:08 -0400 + From: "John Saunders" <jws@ma.ultranet.com>o Subject: Re: World Trade Centere+ Message-ID: <9oo16v$6lv$1@bob.news.rcn.net>l  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messaged' news:87hetsr0vy.fsf@prep.synonet.com...g, > David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >t > > David J. Dachtera wrote: >n > > > David Froble wrote:u >y > > >>[snipped]r >aF > > Bill's right about unintended consequences.  The death toll amountD > > Afgans fleeing the cities and being stopped at the borders couldF > > easily surpass that in NY.  That's appalling!  The US government'sD > > best course would be to place helping save these lives above any > > revenge. >. > To give a comparison...5 >0H > Every month, the sanctions on Iraq kill about 6000s women and children6 > in Iraq, mostly in the Kurdish and southern sectors.  E You mean that Iraq's administration of the food they buy with the oilmJ permitted by the sanctions regime is unequal, and does not go to the Kurds$ or to the south, and so they starve? --
 John Saunders  jws@ma.ultranet.comu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:29:42 -0400u5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>  Subject: Re: World Trade Center 2 Message-ID: <TYmvO1X3T6YSm7SGY=eSGwDuVATp@4ax.com>  E On 25 Sep 2001 00:48:01 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>a wrote:  + >David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >s >> David J. Dachtera wrote:h >  >> > David Froble wrote: >  >> >>[snipped] >mE >> Bill's right about unintended consequences.  The death toll amountuC >> Afgans fleeing the cities and being stopped at the borders couldTE >> easily surpass that in NY.  That's appalling!  The US government'sfC >> best course would be to place helping save these lives above anyp >> revenge.  >  >To give a comparison... >-G >Every month, the sanctions on Iraq kill about 6000s women and children 5 >in Iraq, mostly in the Kurdish and southern sectors.:  = ... or Saddam Hussein could choose to feed his people insteadS9 of pursuing more weapons of mass destruction, which showsb where his loyalties lie.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 2001 19:49:11 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: World Trade Center2+ Message-ID: <9oo2nn$hc2$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>m  + In article <9oo16v$6lv$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,h.  "John Saunders" <jws@ma.ultranet.com> writes:< |> "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message* |> news:87hetsr0vy.fsf@prep.synonet.com.../ |> > David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  |> > |> > > David J. Dachtera wrote:n |> > |> > > > David Froble wrote: |> > |> > > >>[snipped] |> >I |> > > Bill's right about unintended consequences.  The death toll amounteG |> > > Afgans fleeing the cities and being stopped at the borders couldWI |> > > easily surpass that in NY.  That's appalling!  The US government's G |> > > best course would be to place helping save these lives above anyr |> > > revenge.I |> > |> > To give a comparison... |> >K |> > Every month, the sanctions on Iraq kill about 6000s women and children 9 |> > in Iraq, mostly in the Kurdish and southern sectors.s |> -H |> You mean that Iraq's administration of the food they buy with the oilM |> permitted by the sanctions regime is unequal, and does not go to the Kurds/' |> or to the south, and so they starve?   E Yes, but if the UN lifted the sanctions Sadam could buy the materialsuG he needs to make more nerve gas.  Then he could eliminate all the KurdsC3 in a single weekend.  Much more efficient that way.    bill   -- wJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:59:01 -0500r1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o Subject: Re: World Trade Centerp' Message-ID: <3BAFE4E5.EB6A28B8@fsi.net>n   David Froble wrote:  >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > > David Froble wrote:s > >m
 > >>[snipped]l > >> > >tH > > Hey! David Froble! How are you doing, sir??!! Haven't seen ya 'round  > > these parts for a while now. > >D > >r > J > Actually, at times I haven't been around.  I have look-ed in at times toF > take the temperature of what's going on.  After the assassination ofI > Alpha, I was throughly disgusted, said f**k it, and spent all free timemI > flying and any time with computers was strictly work.  Then the HP dealAE > was way too much for me.  Disgust heaped upon disgust.  At least myhF > prediction of Compaq being toast due to loss of credibility happened< > rather quickly, but it appears not for that reason. [snip]  G I envy you. I haven't been current since the end of 1989, and my visionsG has gown downhill since then. I doubt I could qualify for a third-class  medical cert. anymore.  B If you have any positive-thinking oriented material (books, tapes,H etc.), now is probably as good a time as any to dust it off and crank up the walkman or whatever...   -- p David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/0   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:34:36 GMTn/ From: "Randall Burlew" <rkburlew@earthlink.net>. Subject: Re: World Trade CenteroF Message-ID: <03Sr7.12069$W83.1193289@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  2 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:9omi7n$s6g$1@pyrite.mv.net... > < > "Randall Burlew" <rkburlew@earthlink.net> wrote in messageA > news:Hsyr7.10296$W83.974360@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...t6 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message& > > news:9olmag$8gq$1@pyrite.mv.net... > > > >nA > > > > There is precious little difference between Democrats ande Republicans. > > >e > > > I don't agree. > >eF > > OK. Tell me how perfect Bill Clinton's foreign policy was. Tell meG > > what party got us involved in Vietnam. Tell me with a straight facee > > how good the Democrats are.m >oJ > It's clear I can't tell you anything.  So I'll stop wasting time trying.  < And I will repeat what you said to Fred a couple of days ago* when he bowed out with similar sentiments.  < For anyone else out there who might still be involved, then:  I The above is a pretty classic excuse for failing to engage in a difficultaJ discussion:  actually thinking about stances your gut disagrees with takes1 real work, and a lot of people aren't used to it.G  J 'Put up or shut up' is the appropriate response.  I'm sorry Bill chose the latter.   7 Now you know how Fred felt about the discussion and theu9 frustration he felt. Maybe knowing how someone else feelsl3 in the beginnings of an understanding. We can hope.    Randye   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:47:23 GMTo/ From: "Randall Burlew" <rkburlew@earthlink.net>N Subject: Re: World Trade CenterbF Message-ID: <%eSr7.15385$Hx1.1308908@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  3 "ChrisQ" <lightwork@aerosys.co.uk> wrote in message ' news:3BAF1ADE.B6FD5B24@aerosys.co.uk...e > Randall Burlew wrote:e > >v6 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message& > > news:9olmag$8gq$1@pyrite.mv.net... > > > >,A > > > > There is precious little difference between Democrats and  Republicans. > > >t > > > I don't agree. > > F > > OK. Tell me how perfect Bill Clinton's foreign policy was. Tell meG > > what party got us involved in Vietnam. Tell me with a straight facel > > how good the Democrats are.n > >cF > Well, he nearly pulled off a peace settlement in the Middle East and contributedmL > greatly to the peace process in Northern Ireland, something many here (incI > myself) in the UK are very gratefull for. Many here are also not reallydI > concerned with the entrails of his private life, would think it none of  their D > business anyway, are bemused by the moral hypocrisy and think that overall,; > think he had a positive effect on the state of the world.  > I > In the end, it's not the party that does the work, it's the individualsa within aJ > party that get the job done. Party names, like religions and other ism's don't-5 > matter and exist only to provides collective focus.I >r( > And no, BC isn't perfect, are you ?... >u > Chris:  @ I was not really trying to vilify Bill Clinton. Perhaps I used a: poor choice of words. The context was that I was trying to: make the point that in regards to foreign policy we do not8 really have much of a choice between the Republicans and5 Democrats. I thought Bill Clinton was a good example,p? especially in light of the fact that Bill Todd had earlier made ; so much of the sanctions on Iraq, and Clinton's policies int: regard to that were exactly the same as the elder Bush and the younger Bush.i  ? And no, I'm not perfect. If I were perfect I would have managedt& to stay out of these discussions.   :)   Randy    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:05:39 -0400h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i Subject: Re: World Trade Centere, Message-ID: <3BB01092.7345E1F3@videotron.ca>   Randall Burlew wrote:01 > I was not really trying to vilify Bill Clinton.o  N Don't criticise previous administrations until you can judge the current one. N The CIA, FBI, Secret Service, NSA and other think tanks at the disposal of theB president don't change much from administration to administration.  E Bill Clinton tried multiple times to get Bin laden. At one point, the J intellingence seemed sure enouh of his location that they send some cruiseM missiles, but they missed. Clinton has since admitted that they also tried toxA covertly kill him (even though doing so would have been illegal).e- He also seized some of his assets in the USA.o  L The military is being deployed only as a bluff. Bush Jr. knows that it wouldH be useless to start bombing the place.  But if he can scare nations intoI cooperating, he may be able to get the other nations to get to Bin Laden.t  K A sufficient proportion of those actions are covert that the public doesn't L really know what goes on, so it is hard to objectively judge  the current or previous administrations.P   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:07:58 -0400h' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>h Subject: Re: World Trade Centerh( Message-ID: <9op3cf$5hu$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : "Randall Burlew" <rkburlew@earthlink.net> wrote in message@ news:03Sr7.12069$W83.1193289@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...4 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message$ > news:9omi7n$s6g$1@pyrite.mv.net...   ...o  L > > It's clear I can't tell you anything.  So I'll stop wasting time trying. >l> > And I will repeat what you said to Fred a couple of days ago, > when he bowed out with similar sentiments. >e> > For anyone else out there who might still be involved, then: >-K > The above is a pretty classic excuse for failing to engage in a difficult-L > discussion:  actually thinking about stances your gut disagrees with takes3 > real work, and a lot of people aren't used to it.s > L > 'Put up or shut up' is the appropriate response.  I'm sorry Bill chose the	 > latter.p >i9 > Now you know how Fred felt about the discussion and thek; > frustration he felt. Maybe knowing how someone else feels 5 > in the beginnings of an understanding. We can hope.e  H Not in my case, you can't.  I was thinking about what I had said to FredI when I wrote the above, and made sure I understood the differences in thesD two situations - one obvious example being your wild digression intoL historical actions of Bill Clinton and Lyndon Johnson which was the point at6 which I decided there was no hope for this discussion.  J That's judgemental, but no more than you've been.  My guess is that by nowE I've gotten through to just about anyone I'm likely to be able to, so:I continuing for the benefit of others no longer provides enough benefit toeK make the effort worthwhile - and there's nothing coming from you to make itcL appear worthwhile either.  I don't mind discussing details - in fact detailsL are often the real meat, since opinions often turn out to be based on fluff.L But your ability to address details at the level required is insufficient to make interesting.f  K A private interchange I was having with someone else did bring to light the I possibility that we went down a somewhat unnecessary rat-hole, in that inIL some sense one can avoid issues of 'responsibility' (which aren't irrelevantJ to me, but may be to some) and concentrate on purely practical issues.  SoJ since I've already gotten into one more response, I'll present it here for! anyone who might benefit from it.t  I The example was raised of an attractive woman (or man, I suppose) walking2G stark naked through Central Park late at night.  Is it her/his fault if G something bad happens?  Of course not.  But is it a good idea?  Hardly.:  D (Some of what we've done around the world is a lot more legitimatelyK provocative than walking around nude.  But that difference is not importanta to *this* analogy.)M  L We could put more police in Central Park late at night, and that would help.J But there'd still likely be *some* residual danger in walking around nude.H We could try to lift up the 'undesirable' element from which most of theI danger presumably stems, and that would help too.  But even then it might0G not be a great idea to walk around alone nude there, especially late atc night.  G There are things our government does in the world that are analogous to3I walking through Central Park nude late at night in the danger they createiK for us.  We don't have to get into the degree, if any, to which this dangerAI is in some way deserved to understand that  a) it exists and  b) we could[I avoid at least some of it by getting our government not to do some of the D things that contribute to it.  And we don't have to get into our ownJ responsibility for those things to understand that we may get hurt if theyK continue, even though our government is the agency directly responsible for / them and we are at most indirectly responsible.t  L So the only remaining issue is whether we can have any influence on what ourL government does, and if you contend that we can't then I suspect there'll beL plenty of people happy to set you straight without any need for me to do so.E If we have such influence and don't use it, then we're stupid:  not ajK capital offense, but one that may have capital consequences anyway, just asg it did two weeks ago.1   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2001 01:44:02 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)5 Subject: [jfc] Seen in one of my older crash dumps...T* Message-ID: <3bafc542$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  8 This one I've just seen in one of my (older) crash dumps  4   Time of system crash: 24-MAY-**** 18:15:48.99<NUL>1   VMScluster node: MARS, a AlphaServer 2100 5/250aH   CPU 00 reason for Bugcheck: LOCKMGRERR, Error detected by Lock Manager1   Process currently executing on this CPU:   NoneeJ   Abs time of last event   00000000    BUFIO byte count/limit          0/0   Note the date.   just curious   -Peter  L PS: this was a crash of my bootserver forced by a fast ethernet switch goingL nuts. I was quite surprised to see not only the satellites go to the nirvana' but also this (FDDI based) AlphaServer.m -- o< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888i< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2001 22:53:37 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)L Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't find V7.3 Alpha bootserver* Message-ID: <3baf9d51$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  q In article <cf15391e.0109240514.4eb42099@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:aB >Can any Alpha systems which are not on CI see the VAX system disk >served to them?  ? Yes. Not only seen, it is mounted just like the years before...P  > >What are the device names of the VAX and Alpha system disks?   / $1$DUA0: and $1$DUA1: Nothing has changed here.r  > >                                                     Is there4 >any node in this cluster running 7.1-2 or earlier?   G No. There is only one (Alpha) bootserver left, which is now at VMS V7.3tB (with all current ECOs) and DECnet-Plus V7.3 (also with ECO 1) and" 1 VAX and 2 Alpha satellites left.  A Problem started with upgrading the bootserver from V7.2-1 to V7.3 L and didn't change when upgrading the VAX system disk from V7.2 to V7.3 also.' (No V7.1x or V7.2 now left - pure V7.3)t  H I also tried reinitializing the VAX system disk and switching from ODS-2J to ODS-2a (/CLUSTER=1) but this does not change the problem (as expected).  F >                                                    What is the valueG >of ALLOCLASS on the bootserver node(s), and does it match the value onl" >the HSJ(s) serving the VAX disk?    Yup, it is 1 just like before.L The VMS upgrade didn't change my SYSGEN parameters in this area (as expected3 and tested on 5 other systems the last 2-3 months).oN Only difference seen so far is MSCP_BUFFER increased from 128 to 256 (minimum)1 (and obsoleted PAGFILCNT/SWPFILCNT) on the Alpha.9  E >                                  If there's a 7.1-2 or earlier nodecE >in the cluster, you may have to set bit 8 in MSCP_SERVE_ALL to servea' >disks of different allocation classes.P  + Nope. But this is nevertheless worth a try. + Nothing to loose (except uptime) I think...     J I still wonder why the message "%VAXcluster, no connection to disk server"E is coming almost immediately after the MOP load completed message andlG before any other %SYSBOOT or VMS identity message and does also containoE neither a Severity nor an Identity (DSIN articles only mentioned thisnD message in full form and with Capitalized Words _and_ a second error/ message which mentions additional reason info). 1 Maybe the format changed in later VMS versions...6  E I also revived a outpasted VAX client by changing the Mac Add of thiscE MOP client to the one of the VAX satellite in question just to try toSF boot this machine in a (still existing and prepared for AUTOGEN by theD VMS V7.3 upgrade procedure) other tree on the VAX system disk. To myI surprise did the first boot attempt deliver 3 %SYSBOOT and 1 VMS identityRC message (you know the OpenVMS (TM) VAX version V7.3 ...) before the F "%VAXcluster, no connection to disk server" pops up again. Every otherI boot attempt since then returns the message just like the first satellitenG node. I think I have a third satellite root left for yet another try...d  G Still stumped (and my only 2 left users still complain because the appl I is not VESTable - to much INGRES/Net used and MTHRTL version mismatch)...    TIAb   -- n< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888>< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2001 02:32:46 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)L Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't find V7.3 Alpha bootserver* Message-ID: <3bafd0ae$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  W In article <3baf9d51$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: r >In article <cf15391e.0109240514.4eb42099@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:F >>                                  If there's a 7.1-2 or earlier nodeF >>in the cluster, you may have to set bit 8 in MSCP_SERVE_ALL to serve( >>disks of different allocation classes. >G, >Nope. But this is nevertheless worth a try., >Nothing to loose (except uptime) I think...   Done. Problem still there.  K >I still wonder why the message "%VAXcluster, no connection to disk server" F >is coming almost immediately after the MOP load completed message andH >before any other %SYSBOOT or VMS identity message and does also containF >neither a Severity nor an Identity (DSIN articles only mentioned thisE >message in full form and with Capitalized Words _and_ a second errort0 >message which mentions additional reason info).2 >Maybe the format changed in later VMS versions... >iF >I also revived a outpasted VAX client by changing the Mac Add of thisF >MOP client to the one of the VAX satellite in question just to try toG >boot this machine in a (still existing and prepared for AUTOGEN by thesE >VMS V7.3 upgrade procedure) other tree on the VAX system disk. To mypJ >surprise did the first boot attempt deliver 3 %SYSBOOT and 1 VMS identityD >message (you know the OpenVMS (TM) VAX version V7.3 ...) before theG >"%VAXcluster, no connection to disk server" pops up again. Every otherrJ >boot attempt since then returns the message just like the first satelliteH >node. I think I have a third satellite root left for yet another try...  B The third satellite does the same as the second. At the first bootG attempt it writes 3 SYSBOOT messages (trying to map SYSDUMP.DMP, failedrE to map SYSDUMP.DMP, failed to map PAGEFILE.SYS) and then the VMS V7.3sA message and again the "%VAXcluster, no connection to disk server"p  < I then AUTOGENed and rebooted (setting MSCP_SERVE_ALL to 9)./ AUTOGEN also increased SCSCONNCNT from 6 to 18./  F The first satellite boot attempt leaded to 3 SYSBOOT messages (but allK stated success and not failed as in the previous tries !) then the VMS V7.3 F message but then again the "%VAXcluster, no connection to disk server"   I'm frustrated.a   -- .< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888u< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2001 22:10:36 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)eL Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] V7.2 VAX satellite doesn't find V7.3 Alpha bootserver= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0109242110.72f559c2@posting.google.com>e  @ Other things I can think of that could cause a failure to form aB connection would be a shortage of non-paged pool on one end or theA other, or a conflict in SCS nodenames.  SCSCONNCNT shouldn't be arD problem; VMS reserves an extra 200 slots beyond the SYSGEN parameter% setting in any recent versions, IIRC.s  D The satellite would be sending out a Solicit_Service datagram to the? multicast address for the cluster group number (did that or the D cluster password change recently?  Is CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DAT the sameE on both system disks, and in the common area, with no other copies intD other roots?), which contains the device name of the system disk (isE that correct in the DECnet or LANACP data for the satellite?), and at.C least one Alpha bootserver should be answering with a VERF (Channels> Control Verify) packet indicating that it can indeed serve theE requested disk.  The satellite will pick the first node which answersu? and send a VACK (Channel Control Verify-Ack) to it.  (Any otherD1 willing servers eventually time out and give up.)l  E Appendix F in the VMS Cluster Systems manual, on "Troubleshooting theAE NISCA Protocol", may be helpful.  It includes info on using a networkB sniffer to diagnose problems.   > Could a bridge or router be passing MOP requests but not NISCA (protocol type 60-07)?  < Could packets be getting through but the packet loss rate isD excessive?  You might want to check the ReXmt counters in SDA on the server node(s).cC -------------------------------------------------------------------tC Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on:eC Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/Ou   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2001 11:15:53 -0700, From: kuzishchin@mail.ru (Kirill Kuzishchin)G Subject: Re: [VMScluster] Cross Architecture Boot with Cluster_Config ? = Message-ID: <44ef2912.0109241015.6ceb444b@posting.google.com>s  \ eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<3baf30f4$1@news.kapsch.co.at>...= > Configuring and running a VMScluster is not new technology.t9 > Mixed Architecture Cluster is also also not really new.a > H > But Cross Architecture Boot (booting VAX from Alpha or Alpha from VAX)D > was unsupported since day one (for VAX satellites you needed a VAXF > bootserver and for Alpha satellites you needed an Alpha Bootserver - > eg.   @ To be honest I don't know is it officially supported or not but D I had the LAN cluster with two AS1000 (shared RA310 on FWD SCSI bus)E and MicroVAX 3100 which had its MSCP-served system disk inside RA310.iD And it was possible to boot that MicroVAX using Alpha bootserver. It worked perfectly.tF As I remember OpenVMS VAX was originally installed on MicroVAX's localD disk and then that system disk was backup'ed/image into RA310 behind two AS1000.u  < > an OpenVMS upgrade still needs directly attached disks and  E I didn't do any OpenVMS VAX upgrades on that MicroVAX but I don't see D any reasons why it should not work. MicroVAX had its own system diskE with OpenVMS VAX and VMB.EXE. Of course AlphaServers had their systemR$ disk with OpenVMS Alpha and APB.EXE.  E > CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM can only manipulate the current system disk) andlG > only did work if you do all modifications the CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM doestI > by hand. Eg. the directory structure and especially the MOP database...S >  > eg. a VAX client looks like:5 >     Tertiary Loader { SYS$SYSTEM:TERTIARY_VMB.EXE }t= >     System Image { "@NET$NISCS_LAA(DISK$VAXVMS:<SYS11.>)" }g > " > while an Alpha client looks likeE >     System Image { "@NET$NISCS_LAA(DISK$AXPVMS:<SYS43.>,APB.EXE)" }i >  > J > Are there any plans for supporting Cross-Archtitecture (fully with Cross7 > Configuration) VMSclusters ? Or does it already work )   I think it works.m   > and I only missedUI > it because the last time I used the CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM directly was the 7 > time when the Alpha got introduced in the early 90. ?h > < > If not, won't OpenVMS IPF require to change/support this ? >  > TIAs   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2001 01:02:18 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)G Subject: Re: [VMScluster] Cross Architecture Boot with Cluster_Config ?o( Message-ID: <3bafbb7a@news.kapsch.co.at>  c In article <fV0zDFjuWFOV@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:cX >In article <3baf30f4$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:> >> Configuring and running a VMScluster is not new technology.: >> Mixed Architecture Cluster is also also not really new. >> dI >> But Cross Architecture Boot (booting VAX from Alpha or Alpha from VAX)oE >> was unsupported since day one (for VAX satellites you needed a VAXeG >> bootserver and for Alpha satellites you needed an Alpha Bootserver -a > ? >   Your out of date, quite a bit.  Cross architecture boot wass> >   unsupported ON day one, but was made available soon after.  , How/when was this 'support' done/announced ?* It worked, yes. But documented/supported ?J And why did the OpenVMS VAX V7.3 CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM I just ran today (justM another unsuccessful test) only offer to ADD a VAX (not an Alpha) satellite ?o  	 MAIN MENUr  $    1. ADD a VAX node to the cluster.%    2. REMOVE a node from the cluster.s0    3. CHANGE a cluster member's characteristics..    4. CREATE a duplicate system disk for ACAS.A    5. MAKE a directory structure for a new root on a system disk.a'    6. DELETE a root from a system disk.     7. EXIT from this procedure.s  ; Or did you mean the MAKE (which is far less than the ADD) ?oJ Or is the CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM on Alpha different (next test maybe tomorrow)3 and allows Alpha _and_ VAX satellites to be ADDed ?c  H >   You need a VAX system disk to boot a VAX and an Alpha system disk toG >   boot an Alpha, but they can be served by any server in the cluster.    Yup. Obviously.eB I run it for almost a decade now and it also was far less headache/ with (also) the VAX server(s) on the CI then...e   -- o< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2001 18:23:42 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)gG Subject: Re: [VMScluster] Cross Architecture Boot with Cluster_Config ?h3 Message-ID: <OXX4KKbqGEaC@eisner.encompasserve.org>'  U In article <3bafbb7a@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:ue > In article <fV0zDFjuWFOV@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   @ >>   Your out of date, quite a bit.  Cross architecture boot was? >>   unsupported ON day one, but was made available soon after.  > . > How/when was this 'support' done/announced ?   V7.2 as I recall.n  L > And why did the OpenVMS VAX V7.3 CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM I just ran today (justO > another unsuccessful test) only offer to ADD a VAX (not an Alpha) satellite ?e  @ I think it possible configuration may require a node of the sameC architecture (i.e., something already booted off that system disk).h@ You have to have one of those to create the matching system disk anyway.n  B The point is that your boot-<arch> machine can be down and you canE still boot via the boot-<otherarch> machine.  You just cannot installh? or upgrade without having a machine of the proper architecture.,   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2001 02:18:58 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)G Subject: Re: [VMScluster] Cross Architecture Boot with Cluster_Config ?s* Message-ID: <3bafcd72$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  c In article <OXX4KKbqGEaC@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: M >> And why did the OpenVMS VAX V7.3 CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM I just ran today (justnP >> another unsuccessful test) only offer to ADD a VAX (not an Alpha) satellite ? >tA >I think it possible configuration may require a node of the samevD >architecture (i.e., something already booted off that system disk).A >You have to have one of those to create the matching system diskn >anyway. >eC >The point is that your boot-<arch> machine can be down and you canoF >still boot via the boot-<otherarch> machine.  You just cannot install@ >or upgrade without having a machine of the proper architecture.$                              ^^^^^^^  K If 'machine' equals to bootserver, then it is the same sitation as day one.uM If 'machine' equals also to a satellite, then this is news for me (my cluster-G is pretty much stable here - no new satellites, only loosing one after e another)  D And heck, why is it neccessary to have a machine of the same type toG make the changes to the appropriate system disk ? Because of the SYSGENyC parameter file format ? Or because modifying DECnet-Plus requires a9L machine booted from the same system disk ? Or because of lack of engineering) power and will (which I can understand) ?o  J But I admit, the MAKE option is 'new' and useful (but still less than ADD)   -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.533 ************************