1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 26 Sep 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 535       Contents:& Anyone found a use for LNM$SYSCLUSTER?* Re: Anyone found a use for LNM$SYSCLUSTER? Re: Backspace problem + Re: c$main undefined in hello-world program  Re: FORTRAN terminal IO  Re: FORTRAN terminal IO # Set Command for SUBPROCESS Question # Re: VAX 7000 hw support going away?  Re: VAX disaster tolerance1 VMScluster using fibrechannel and memory channel?  Re: World Trade Center Re: World Trade Center Re: World Trade Center  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2001 13:49:50 -05002 From: cochrane@encompasserve.org (Arthur Cochrane)/ Subject: Anyone found a use for LNM$SYSCLUSTER? 3 Message-ID: <FpKIqu9LE8Ie@eisner.encompasserve.org>   I     Has anyone found a good use for the VMS 7.x cluster wide logical name J     table, LNM$SYSCLUSTER. It sounds like a good idea but how often do youH     need to redefine a system wide logical. Also, when a system boots isJ     there some way to see if this is the first system to boot and needs toF     define the cluster wide logicals or if not the first then skip theH     definition of the cluster wide logicals? Or just define them anyway.  G     I wish there was a LNM_SYSTEM logical name table for system manager I     logicals names in the search list between LNM$GROUP and LNM$SYSTEM. I ?     have done this myself but wish it was supported officially.   H     I also wish there was a VMS_COMMON logical in the SYS$SYSROOT searchG     list. This would be empty on a fresh install and the system manager G     would use to create the necessary procedures to boot and manage the I     system. (Also, a SYS_MANAGER, SYS_SYSTEM, SYS_HELP, etc.) I have also :     done this myself but wish it was supported officially.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:32:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 3 Subject: Re: Anyone found a use for LNM$SYSCLUSTER? , Message-ID: <3BB0E9E6.D7D77076@videotron.ca>   Arthur Cochrane wrote: > K >     Has anyone found a good use for the VMS 7.x cluster wide logical name L >     table, LNM$SYSCLUSTER. It sounds like a good idea but how often do you- >     need to redefine a system wide logical.     K I have a cluster with 2 boot nodes. Cluster wide logicals helped me because G the node responsible for an application is responsible for defining the N logicals when it boots and they get propagated automatically to the other node2 whenever that other node boots. (before or after).  N So the other boot need not be concerned about checking for availability of theN .COM file that defines the logicals when it boots, and the first node need notJ be bothered using SYSMAN to run the definition on teh second node when tehH first one boots (after having checked that the second one is available).    N And if i need to change the definition of those logicals, I know that they are defined only in one place.  N There are other ways of doing this, but I have found that the clusterwide ones( are very clean, streamlined and simpler.   ------------------------------  / Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:41:12 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: Re: Backspace problem6 Message-ID: <200109260541.HAA09467@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  G under Solaris you can change the TTY behavior. You can set the keyboard J style to something like DEC. You will also have a better keyboard mapping,J if you use the RSH command. Create a command procedure on the OpenVMS box,I that will create a DECterminal on the UNIX box. Execute them with the RSH  command.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2001 11:47:12 -0700% From: 0vazan@st.fmph.uniba.sk (Bubak) 4 Subject: Re: c$main undefined in hello-world program= Message-ID: <87266f0d.0109251047.531b1a57@posting.google.com>   @ Thanks, it worked. Now just one question. How is it that command cc/ver or cc /ver ? returns syntax error? I have discovered I am using OpenVMS V7.1    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:42:08 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>   Subject: Re: FORTRAN terminal IO2 Message-ID: <yB1s7.31642$Z2.451865@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  : "Michael Austin" <firstdbasource@att.net> wrote in message! news:3BB08993.9AA6EBAE@att.net...  >...I > > > PA0 is defined as MG1 is defined as TXA0: - works, LTA600: does not ; > > > work., or "[somedir]somefile.xxx" also does not work.  >...K > Line does not fail when using OS tools.  "Copy login.com lta600: " works. ' > REPLY/TERM=LTA600: "HELLO"  ... works   $ But does "COPY LOGIN.COM PA0:" work?  5 How about looking at the output from "SHOW LOG %%%" ?   K I tried your program (the only change I made was adding a close at the end) L on an Alpha with pa0 defined as mg1 and mg1 defined as both a LTA device andK as a file. It worked both times. The LTA device I used was my own terminal,  but that should not matter.   K Try walking through the code in debug mode and looking at what channels are * open with ANA/SYSTEM to see if that helps.   My runs looked like this; 
 $ ty term.for          program term#         LOGICAL*1 CLEARI,CLEARO,XON '         DATA CLEARI,CLEARO,XON/9,15,10/ *         OPEN(UNIT=4,NAME='PA0',TYPE='NEW')'         WRITE(4,4500) CLEARI,CLEARO,XON  4500    FORMAT(1X,3A1)         close (4)          end  $ fortran term $ link term  $ assign mg1 pa0 $ assign x.x mg1	 $ dir x.x ! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found 
 $ run termL $ dump/record x.x/byte/dec    ! If you are worried about the date below, I'm did this on a French system.1 Dump of file X.X;1 on septembre 25, 2001 11:18 AM 9 File ID (2780,135,0)   End of file block 1 / Allocated 18   ? Record number 1 (00000001), 4 (0004) bytes, RFA(0001,0000,0000)   0                   10  15   9  32  .......      0	 $ sh term 7 Terminal: _LTA5088:   Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: 	 ... ! Cut  $ assign _lta5088: mg1; %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of MG1 has been superseded 
 $ run term    I $ ! I changed my terminal setup to display control characters and saw the  actual characters on the screen    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2001 14:39:34 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org  Subject: Re: FORTRAN terminal IO3 Message-ID: <ia4AFTfxIShH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3BB0DA93.BBCA5DA2@bellsouth.net>, Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> writes:  >>B >> Is it possible that you have error messages suppressed somehow? > % > No.  All other errors get reported.   ? Then you need to find out why your program cannot create a file : on disk.  Start there.  And worry about LTA devices later.  = You might consider $ SET WATCH FILE /CLASS=MAJOR to catch the ' disk I/O.  (Warning:  it can get noisy)    > P >> >> >         WRITE(4,4500) CLEARI,CLEARO,XON         !  writing XON to a file% >> >> > should also not be a problem.  >> >> 8 >> >> Does this line fail?  Do you get an error message? >> >N >> > Line does not fail when using OS tools.  "Copy login.com lta600: " works. > 2 >> REPLY/TERM=LTA600: "HELLO"  ... works correctly4 >> REPLY/TERM=MG1 "HELLO"        ... works correctly > 4 >> REPLY/TERM=PA0 "HELLO"        ... works correctly > @ >> So... Does that line fail?  Does it produce an error message? >> >  > No it works as expected.  F The line in question is the WRITE statement.  If it worked as expected) you would have output on your LTA device.   C Oh.  You thought I was talking about your device as being a "line". & No.  I'm talking about a line of code.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:33:32 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com, Subject: Set Command for SUBPROCESS Question4 Message-ID: <C2256AD2.0065A9E4.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  A I have an app that in due course spawns a subprocess to execute a   5 BACKUP/VERIFY/DELETE files tape:saveset command, then   % deletes the subprocess and continues.   > Of course, it keeps the tape allocated during the delete pass.  ? I want to modify the BACKUP verb for the subprocess so that the   8 /RELEASE_TAPE qualifier is defaulted for that one BACKUP   invokation.   B I cannot change the application code (I do not own it or have it).  ; Can this be done by some form of SET COMMAND for the tables   ) for a subprocess that does not exist yet?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:40:36 -0500 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> , Subject: Re: VAX 7000 hw support going away?8 Message-ID: <9oqq3p$nfj$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   VAX 7000-630  B "David Beatty" <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote in message, news:2cywO9cSx4PEANBsrguRhC+gFu6=@4ax.com... > + > Which model do you have?  David R. Beatty  > 5 > On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:10:33 -0500, "Dave Gudewicz" $ > <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote: > L > >Wondered if anyone here has received news that their hw service contracts> > >for VAX 7000 will not be renewed after current ones expire. > > J > >We have 2 such systems, one contract expires at the end of 2001 and the > >other in 2002.  > > F > >We were "told" that yesterday.  I haven't seen anything in writing. > > 2 > >I'm wondering if this was some sort of mistake. > >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2001 14:46:50 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: VAX disaster tolerance 3 Message-ID: <VV7qPvFTZnnH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3BB0D48E.97C09F48@iee.org>, "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:  >  >  > JF Mezei wrote: I >> That is the problem isn't it ? You don't want to waste money replacing O >> hardware that still does the job just for the sake of having the latest. But N >> then, you also don't want to get a rude awakening because you can no longerP >> get replacement machines after a disaster even though you didn't realise that5 >> problem as your configuration was still supported.  >  > Exactly. These days you don't  > need an identical replacement ! > (unless you are the military or " > run a nuclear power plant etc.). >   > Most businesses could replace  > an Alpha with a newer Alpha - % > there are not that many specialised  > interfaces any more. >   > However, when you are running ' > on an architecture that can no longer & > be produced economically (e.g. VAX -$ > I won't include PDP-11 since there" > are compatibles available!) then# > you need to at least have a plan!   A Mike Kier from DEQ, who upgraded the Indiana Turnpike from PDP-11 B to Alpha said the major reason was spare parts availability, since< their "process control" at the toll gates didn't really need? any more speed or throughput.  Moore's law applies to computers  but not to turnpike speeds :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2001 15:27:54 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) : Subject: VMScluster using fibrechannel and memory channel?3 Message-ID: <F5Xbti9TFkHR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L We've been running a VMS CI cluster for many years, going from VAX to Alpha.G The primary nodes are currently an 8400 and a GS140, each with 10 CPUs. I We're running 4 CIs with most of the disks and tapes out there, plus some L direct SCSI devices. Unfortunately, that takes up a lot of space in our data: center, and we need to significantly reduce the footprint.  H What we're looking at for a replacement is a rack of ES45s, an EMA12000,J Fibrechannel disk and tape, and Memory Channel for a cluster Interconnect.J DLT tapes would be connected via MDRs. We should be able to do all of thisK in about 25-30% of the space of the existing footprint, counting all of the  storage arrays.   I We're currently at VMS 7.2, but will upgrade to whatever it takes to make I this all work. We'll have to migrate to the new configuration a step at a F time, rather than doing a massive swap, as we can't be down that long.  G Is any one currently running a production VMScluster using Fibrechannel H storage and memory channel interconnect? Has any one migrated from CI toH Fibrechannel / memory channel? Any advice from someone who has done this	 already?    
 Bob Kaplow  B         They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little?         temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- A         Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 1759    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:19:21 -0400 + From: "John Saunders" <jws@ma.ultranet.com>  Subject: Re: World Trade Center * Message-ID: <9oqlcv$ta$1@bob.news.rcn.net>  2 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:9oq0kc$r81$1@pyrite.mv.net... > 5 > "ChrisQ" <lightwork@aerosys.co.uk> wrote in message ) > news:3BB06F6C.AEBDA9C3@aerosys.co.uk...  >  > ...  <snap>& >  What else could GB say while tryingL > > to steady the nation and buy time to find a solution to the unsolveable, > at > > least in the short term ?  > J > He could make our resolve to catch and deal with those responsible every bit J > as clear without  a) revving up our military (and civilian) expectations for  > a major land war,   I Bill, I was watching the Pentagon and White House news conferences today, L and found it interesting that it's the Press who is looking for a full-scaleI land war. They were repeatedly told that we're going after the terrorists K and the countries who harbor them, yet would ask questions like, "If you're I not going to do any nation-building, then will you simply accept whatever 2 government arises after you take out the Taliban?"  J It's like they can't just listen to what's said and report that. They haveK to make up a "story", preferably one similar to a story we already know. In K this case, they're starting with the story "Desert Storm" and editing it to   turn it into "Enduring Freedom".  L As such, they reject such possibilities as "the Taliban decides to cut theirD losses and allow us to take bin Laden", or "we exploit the differentJ factions within the Taliban to cause a civil war or coup, then come in and deal with the terrorists".  L They just couldn't accept Donald Rumsfelds statement that there would be "no D-Day".  --
 John Saunders  jws@ma.ultranet.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:43:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: World Trade Center , Message-ID: <3BB0EC88.679F9129@videotron.ca>   John Saunders wrote:K > Bill, I was watching the Pentagon and White House news conferences today, N > and found it interesting that it's the Press who is looking for a full-scale > land war.   M The media were given the impression by the administration that this was going N to be done ASAP with grandiose war fireworks, live coverage in stereo etc etc.H Remember that initially, the rethoric was very strong as it took a whileK before Bush Jr realised that war in Afghanistan was useless and that nobody N really knew how they could get Bin Landen. That is when he started to say thatM it would be a long term efforts and started to downplay the "WAR" thing, even J though, at the same time, the military is gearing up for a full scale war.  L Don't underestimate the fact that the USA is using its media as a propagandaL machine to scare the folks in the area into cooperating with the USA, so the) USA is understandably flexing its muscle.   N Freezing bank accounts just doesn't have the coverage/ratings potential that aM full scale war with scuds, cruise missiles etc have. It is taking a hell of a K time for CNN to remove that "AMERICA's WAR" garbage banner on its screens.  N But in the end, this "war" will just peter out. They won't catch Bin Laden andN friends, but they will cut off his funding and isolate them. They may get sentK to some small island nation where, while they will still be alive, won't be  able to run their empire.   F No fanfare, no awards, no great media coverage, but if it stops futureM terrorists attacks, then it is a better solution than alienating the whole of 9 the middle east and encouraging new terrorists sto spawn.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:15:42 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: World Trade Center , Message-ID: <3BB10205.FBE36BA5@videotron.ca>   John Saunders wrote:H > I never once heard the Administration say we were going to war against > Afghanistan.  M They haven't said it, but they did say that they were going after states thatpJ harbour terrorists. And they started to move their heavy aircraft carriersG towards that region. If that isn't a strong hint, I don't know what is.b  M > The Press don't seem very pleased with the restrictions they've been under.$L > And someone today actually asked Rumsfeld whether the DOD would lie to the9 > Press. I don't think we're "using" the media very much.A  M Well, the fact that the media are asking if they are being manipulated by the M military is an indication that they are manipulated by the military. Rumsfeldt* only said that they weren't being lied to.  K > I believe you're mistaken. At the very least we're going to clean out the J > training camps in Afghanistan and assure ourselves that bin Laden really > isn't there.  M Easier said than done. Those training camps can probably be rebuilt very fastdK anywhere. We're not talking about fancy infrastructure here.  The real goalsK should be to eliminate the CAUSE of the hatred against the USA not weed outS4 individual camps/groups who keep growing like weeds.  ; > Also, during the time we're in there (after defeating the-L > Taliban), we'll probably be able to get some good intellegence from people* > who are no longer afraid of the Taliban.  = Reminder: Russia also tought so, and failed after a long war.i  H > I also suspect that the Taliban is stupid enough to fight, which means) > they're going to be massively defeated.   L Martyrs will only feed the terrorism fire. Empire State Building and Capitol are next on the list.p  $ > If we've got any sense, we'll thenN > ask the UN to take over in Afghanistan, perhaps after we do some things like" > road building and mine clearing.  K Note that Iran wants the UN to take over this exercise.  And I feel that it M would have more uinternational weight if it were the UN or at least NATO thatAK drove that effort, instead of having a single nation (USA) become a focusedcM target for the terrorists that will grow from this war if war does break out.a   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.535 ************************