1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 26 Sep 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 536       Contents:- A restore problem with VMS 7.1 Backup Utility " Alias problem Backup image restore& Re: Alias problem Backup image restore Restore Problem Okay' Re: Set Command for SUBPROCESS Question ' Re: Set Command for SUBPROCESS Question ! Re: SuSE Linux Desupports ALPHA ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:13:18 +0200 1 From: "Andrew Aylward" <Andrew.Aylward@ast.co.za> 6 Subject: A restore problem with VMS 7.1 Backup UtilityH Message-ID: <EE170DD1AC76FC4D8A71DA5912DBBF6E050C05@nnc-exc01.ast.co.za>   Good Day Everyone  =20 H I have a problem with a restore that I am doing.  The backup was made ofH all the data on a device "DRA1".  The save set ran along two tapes, bothE with proper ANSI labels.  The problem I have is that when the restore E gets to the end of tape1 it spits out the tape (from device "MKA500") H and then hangs.  I was told by another of the more experienced guys hereB that it is meant to prompt you for the next tape saying, "OperatorH Intervention required... type YES..."  But what it does is just hang and does no prompting at all. H Should I use /ASSIST, /LABEL, or even /EXACT_ORDER to help me with this," or am I barking up the wrong tree? =20  Yours faithfully =20  Andrew Aylward AST Group - Newcastle Branch Private Bag X6613  Newcastle, 2940  Republic of South Africa =20  W:        +2734 314 8153 Cell:      +2783 652 6708  ____________________E Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do ? not necessarily represent those of the AST Group or any of it's C affiliates. This message is for the named person's use only. It may G contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No G confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mis-transmission. F If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it andD all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it andG notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, F distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not theF intended recipient. AST GROUP reserves the right to monitor all e-mailH communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this messageC are those of the individual sender, except where the message states G otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of G any such entity. Unless otherwise stated, any pricing information given E in this message is indicative only, is subject to change and does not E constitute an offer to deal at any price quoted. Any reference to the H terms of executed transactions should be treated as preliminary only and+ subject to our formal written confirmation.  =20    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:27:35 +0100 8 From: "Hansford, Paul (ELS)" <P.Hansford@elsevier.co.uk>+ Subject: Alias problem Backup image restore R Message-ID: <FFDBA0B630B5D211954E0008C70D240D05B6CA4E@elsoxfs12304.elsevier.co.uk>  / Hi this is my first ever submission to info-vax  OS: Vms Version 6.2 onwards L Problem:  VMS backup processes alias file (set file/ent)and makes two copies on the tape @ If I were performing an image backup restore I would have to use- backup/image/noalias <tapedrive>:saveset/save K because if you use /alias (which is the default) it would process the alias H file rather than just copy the link in indexf.sys, so doubling up on theL number of files on the tape if there was one alias per file.  When I came to/ restore the disk I would run out of disk space.   F What I would like to know is, does anyone know of a utility which willJ display all known file aliases,  it is not shown in dir/full.  If there isL no util around has anyone else encountered this problem, and did you resolve it?    Kind Regards Paul   **Paul Hansford  **Elsevier Science UK  **p.hansford@elsevier.co.uk    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:31:08 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com/ Subject: Re: Alias problem Backup image restore / Message-ID: <00256AD3.004FC1E5.00@quegw01.btyp>   L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    L Not sure if there is an 'easy' way to do it, but aliased files have the sameP file ID, so you could do a $ DIR/FILE_ID and process that information [ie outputM it to a file, and do a sort based around the file ID given] to find out which  ones are aliased.    Cheers   Steve Spires          L "Hansford, Paul (ELS)" <P.Hansford@elsevier.co.uk> on 09/26/2001 09:27:35 AM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) K From:      "Hansford, Paul (ELS)" <P.Hansford@elsevier.co.uk>, 26 September             2001, 9:27 a.m.  " Alias problem Backup image restore          / Hi this is my first ever submission to info-vax  OS: Vms Version 6.2 onwards L Problem:  VMS backup processes alias file (set file/ent)and makes two copies on the tape @ If I were performing an image backup restore I would have to use- backup/image/noalias <tapedrive>:saveset/save K because if you use /alias (which is the default) it would process the alias H file rather than just copy the link in indexf.sys, so doubling up on theL number of files on the tape if there was one alias per file.  When I came to/ restore the disk I would run out of disk space.   F What I would like to know is, does anyone know of a utility which willJ display all known file aliases,  it is not shown in dir/full.  If there isL no util around has anyone else encountered this problem, and did you resolve it?    Kind Regards Paul   **Paul Hansford  **Elsevier Science UK  **p.hansford@elsevier.co.uk    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:54:30 +0200 1 From: "Andrew Aylward" <Andrew.Aylward@ast.co.za>  Subject: Restore Problem Okay H Message-ID: <EE170DD1AC76FC4D8A71DA5912DBBF6E052269@nnc-exc01.ast.co.za>   Hi Everyone  =20 D I did the following after posting the previous message to you all: - =20 5 $ backup mka500:devdat./sav dra1:[*...]/by_own=3Dorig  =20  .. and it worked like a charm! =20 2 Thanks to all who replied, I appreciate the input. =20  Yours faithfully =20  Andrew Aylward AST Group - Newcastle Branch Private Bag X6613  Newcastle, 2940  Republic of South Africa =20  W:        +2734 314 8153 Cell:      +2783 652 6708  ____________________E Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do ? not necessarily represent those of the AST Group or any of it's C affiliates. This message is for the named person's use only. It may G contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No G confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mis-transmission. F If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it andD all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it andG notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, F distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not theF intended recipient. AST GROUP reserves the right to monitor all e-mailH communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this messageC are those of the individual sender, except where the message states G otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of G any such entity. Unless otherwise stated, any pricing information given E in this message is indicative only, is subject to change and does not E constitute an offer to deal at any price quoted. Any reference to the H terms of executed transactions should be treated as preliminary only and+ subject to our formal written confirmation.  =20    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Sep 2001 16:06:36 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 0 Subject: Re: Set Command for SUBPROCESS Question= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0109251506.5cc6d9b4@posting.google.com>   \ norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote in message news:<C2256AD2.0065A9E4.00@jklh21.valmet.com>...A > I want to modify the BACKUP verb for the subprocess so that the : > /RELEASE_TAPE qualifier is defaulted for that one BACKUP
 > invokation.   C Could you simply define a global symbol for that process that says:     $ BACKUP :== BACKUP/RELEASE_TAPEC ------------------------------------------------------------------- C Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on: C Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/O    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:03:41 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com0 Subject: Re: Set Command for SUBPROCESS Question4 Message-ID: <C2256AD3.00527C45.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  I I don't know.  Certainly a global symbol can be defined.  The question is 9 whether or not the code that spawns the subprocess does a " set scope /symb=(nolocal,noglobal)0 or not.  I can test that the next time, however.        6 keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com on 09/25/2001 07:06:36 PM  . Please respond to keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  cc:    (1 Subject:  Re: Set Command for SUBPROCESS Question         + norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote in message 0 news:<C2256AD2.0065A9E4.00@jklh21.valmet.com>...A > I want to modify the BACKUP verb for the subprocess so that the : > /RELEASE_TAPE qualifier is defaulted for that one BACKUP
 > invokation.   B Could you simply define a global symbol for that process that says  $ BACKUP :== BACKUP/RELEASE_TAPEC ------------------------------------------------------------------- C Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | VMS consulting on: C Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/O    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 01:36:38 GMT 1 From: Ed Wensell III <ewensell3@yahoo.commercial> * Subject: Re: SuSE Linux Desupports ALPHA ?0 Message-ID: <3BB12FC4.9EF82881@yahoo.commercial>   Arne Vajhj wrote: > < > What are the commercial support for those Linux variants ? > > > Hobbyists work with what the think are fun. Business'es work0 > with what they think will make money for them. >  > Arne   You want commercial support?   http://www.redhat.com  http://www.wasabisystems.com  F I realize the second one is NetBSD not Linux... But it boots Alpha andD VAX right from the CDROM.... Among many other platforms. Support and development services available.    --   Ed Wensell III" http://www.geocities.com/ewensell35 E-mail address slightly bunged. You've been warned...    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.536 ************************