1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 29 Sep 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 541       Contents:) Re: Announcing ht://Dig 3.1.5 for OpenVMS $ Anyone in the UK disposing of a Vax? Re: CETS2001 presentationsP Re: COMPAQ Services Feedback Web Page...trying to report an issue with LYRIS lis Re: Configuring a 10/100 NIC Re: Configuring a 10/100 NIC Re: cpio ported to OpenVMS?  Re: DECnet Problems VMS 7.2-1  Re: DECTalk help needed  Re: Defining a logical in C  Re: Defining a logical in C  Re: Defining a logical in C  disk "mounted dismounted"  Re: disk "mounted dismounted"  Elapsed Time for Batch Jobs  Re: Elapsed Time for Batch Jobs  Re: Elapsed Time for Batch Jobs 5 Re: From 'Interactive Week' Read Last six paragraphs.  Re: FTP over SSH on VMS  Re: Good bye VAX-6400's , Re: Good bye VAX-6400's (VT-103 TU-58 RT-11) Re: Help with UNZIP.EXE   Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs  Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs  RE: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs  RE: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs  Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs  Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs  Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs  Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs Re: inserting module& Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy& Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy& Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy& Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy& Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy Re: Memory Usage Re: Router load host or local  Tape mount dismount  Text or FTN -> PDF( The Wollongong Group and wintcp, Pathway, Re: The Wollongong Group and wintcp, Pathway/ Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1? / Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1? / Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1? / Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1? / Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1? & Re: Whose Running The Oldest Software?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:15:08 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)2 Subject: Re: Announcing ht://Dig 3.1.5 for OpenVMS; Message-ID: <3bb4be2c.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   ( David Mathog (mathog@caltech.edu) wrote: > Robert Deininger wrote: I > > I think the bogus LRL is not the root problem.  It seems to be just a I > > symptom of C's tenuous understanding of RMS.  There are probably many G > > solutions, the first one that suceeded for me was getting away from  > > Stream_LF. > ; > This problem has been around forever, it is mentioned in:  > : >    https://mendel.bio.caltech.edu/vms_beginners_faq.html > J > and has been discussed in this group repeatedly.    The bogus LRL is the> > problem - SORT believes it and allocates memory accordingly.   ...and megabytes of it!   C > There are exactly two ways to make  SORT work on stream-lf files:  >  > 1. Before you sort, do > 1 >          $ SET FILE/ATTRIBUTE=(LRL:30) file.txt  > ? >    assuming you know how long the longest record is (30 here)    I have found that a call to      $ CONVERT file.txt file.txt   H also does correct the LRL attribute - without knowing the correct value.  5 > 2.  $ SORT/PROCESS=TAG/key=(pos:1,size:10) file.txt   $ Ah! My daily lesson in "new VMS" :-)  K > If you can find the file open you may be able to create the file with the K > RMS attributes you want.  But since it's a heap of C++, it would probably 0 > be easier to use one of these methods instead.  > I already found (phew ;-) and corrected it. But thanks anyway.   cu,    Martin --  D                         | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer1  VMS is today what      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de E  Microsoft wants        |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 8  Windows NT 8.0 to be!  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:47:03 +0100 9 From: mark@NOHAM.otford.kent.btinternet.co.uk (Mark Kent) - Subject: Anyone in the UK disposing of a Vax? ' Message-ID: <7kn2p9.im4.ln@192.168.1.1>   G Any of you Vax experts know of a (small!) Vax likely to be disposed of?   J I still kind of miss decnet and all-in-one.  This is for personal interest only.    Thanks for your time,    --  	 Mark Kent K                                                Take out the ham to mail me.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2001 11:32:46 -0700) From: google@mccready.com (Gary McCready) # Subject: Re: CETS2001 presentations < Message-ID: <6e64ea70.0109281032.c6b63af@posting.google.com>  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3BB28988.3F0C9068@fsi.net>... > Gary McCready wrote:
 > > [snip]I > > - If some folks could get all the content on-line, they might not go.  >  > Speaking from experience:  > F > There tends to be a *LARGE* difference between the presentation (theJ > actual session) and the "presentation" (.PPT, etc. file). In general theI > material as presented tends to be considerably expanded from the actual 	 > slides.  >  [snip]J > So, just having the "presentation" tends to be of somewhat limited value. > without actual (hand-written) session notes.  E I agree 100%, and I did say above if they *could* get all the content 
 on-line...  E In any case, a person usually will go to a conference (aside from the C "need a vacation types") to get stuff they can't get elsewhere; for D me, I go for both the technical details and the disscussions that goB around them - both you can get on the web, etc., but I don't think( that is the point we are trying to make.  > The main problem is that the dissemenation of the information,@ regarding VMS and associated components, needs improvement. This= pretty much runs across the variety of ways Compaq has either < inherieted from Digital, or created on its own. In fact, theF newly-compaq-ed redesign of the VMS web site I think makes things even< harder to find, with a lot more non-VMS stuff to sift though  E A better conference-portal design would be to put the majority of the F "outlines" of the presentations (slides) online prior to registration,E in a format mixed with other technical content (such as on a portal). B Then, those who are searching the portal for information should beA able to see what is available, including pointers to what will be E presented in person, with experts available live, either in person or A via a "hookup". If one really wanted to host a useful conference, F portal management would look at hit counters of relevant material, and? use that to determine what should be presented in a conference, - drafting the right folks to do presentations.   B I do like a lot of the on-line tools used for CETS2001 (with a fewE quibbles), but of course there is still improvement to be made. Since D I was involved in content selection for this conference, I'd love toF hear suggestions on how to make the conference better, and I'll try to$ pass them on if asked in the future.   --Gary McCready 0 -My employer has nothing to do with my opinions.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2001 13:01:22 -0700! From: soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro) Y Subject: Re: COMPAQ Services Feedback Web Page...trying to report an issue with LYRIS lis < Message-ID: <d5440555.0109281201.36eca71@posting.google.com>  D Maybe you're too far away and your browser timeouts before the whole/ page arrives... I'd try again (to me it worked)  S    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:44:09 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)% Subject: Re: Configuring a 10/100 NIC ; Message-ID: <3bb4c4f9.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>    sfm (sfm1115@bjc.org) wrote:D > I have an AlphaServer 1000-A 5/400 running OpenVMS 7.1 which has a > 10/100MB NIC Card. > % > The TCP/IP Stack is Multinet 4.2.    > B > Currently the NIC is configured to run at 10MB.  I would like to= > attempt to set the NIC to 100MB, but really don't know what E > documentation I need to view to do this.  Is there a good reference G > point to start from or does someone out there no of a way to do this.   " Without going to the boot console:     $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:LANCP#   LANCP> SET DEVICE xyz0 /SPEED=100   K xyz0 is the device name (find it out by SHOW DEVICE or SHOW CONFIGURATION).   F I think this works with VMS 7.1, but only have tested it with 7.2-1H1.   cu,    Martin --  G  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 4  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deH  for the change to take    |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/;  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:38:07 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>% Subject: Re: Configuring a 10/100 NIC 4 Message-ID: <1010928172908.881B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  = I've had problems with some switches that were apparently set < to autonegotiate, but didn't recognize the Alpha had changed< speeds.  Unplugging the Cat5 cable from the switch for about; 30 seconds seemed to cure the problem by causing the switch  to re-negotiate.  5 I've also had problems with switches recognizing full 9 duplex.  In this case, things seem to work fine until the 5 network gets heavily loaded, and then you see lots of 9 "Frame Check" and "Alignment" errors in OPERATOR.LOG, and : network throughput plummets.  To fix this, I either had toA set the ethernet card to half-duplex (">>> set ewa0_mode FastHD", < IIRC), or connect to the switch and manually set the port to; full duplex.  The latter is hard to do if it is a password- A protected, remotely managed switch belonging to a non-cooperative & corporate network services group.  :-(  ( On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, David Beatty wrote:   > E >     Within the console subsystem (i.e. at the >>> prompt), assuming  > the device is EWA0:  > 0 >     SET EWA0_MODE FastFD		! 100MB, Full-duplex >  > or > " >     SET EWA0_MODE Auto-negotiate > 4 > You can also do a SET EWA0_MODE with no parameters+ > and you should see all available options.  > ; >     You should then perform either a power-cycle or INIT.  > C >     I have seen problems with Auto-negotiate, so you may not want  > to use that option.  >  > David R. Beatty  > @ > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:55:16 GMT, sfm1115@bjc.org (sfm) wrote: >  > >Hi everyone,  > > E > >I have an AlphaServer 1000-A 5/400 running OpenVMS 7.1 which has a  > >10/100MB NIC Card.  > > & > >The TCP/IP Stack is Multinet 4.2.   > > C > >Currently the NIC is configured to run at 10MB.  I would like to > > >attempt to set the NIC to 100MB, but really don't know whatF > >documentation I need to view to do this.  Is there a good referenceH > >point to start from or does someone out there no of a way to do this. > >  > > 
 > >Thanks, > >  > >Shawn >  >  >    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:55:40 +0200 & From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>$ Subject: Re: cpio ported to OpenVMS?$ Message-ID: <3BB4E3CC.41C6@c-lab.de>   David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > Arne Vajhj wrote:
 > > [snip] > J > All I can say is, when I start out with FreeBSD, I had only a CDROM-lessH > 386. That meant using the diskette approach. When I missed a *.?? file@ > on one of the diskettes, the program that complained was cpio. > 6 > Dunno what to tell ya - I can only go by what I see. >   C ... and a decent cpio can grok and produce different formats, among D others also 'ustar' and 'tar', besides it's own history of 'odc' and 'crc'.  C What you experienced is the old trick of using one executable under H different names, because space is precious on distro diskettes. it might8 like 'pax, which can be installed as 'tar' and 'cpio'...  G Or they really just used 'gunzip 'XXX.?? | cpio -H ustar -imd', because 3 cpio was also needed/handy during the installation.    --  * Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:43:49 -0400 0 From: "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com>& Subject: Re: DECnet Problems VMS 7.2-1/ Message-ID: <tra5r648gb8v16@news.supernews.com>   I Thanks to all - problem fixed - a single user license was not installed !    DT   -- David Turner   We sell Alpha systems & parts  http://www.islandco.com  sales@islandco.com Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096  ICQ#: 130698221 9 Burnie M <burniem.NOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message 2 news:u0k8rtonlp7nl05cdangaet85e8k3mplkv@4ax.com... > E > >>> 2) we get the following error in simply testing DECNET locally:  > >>>  > >>> set host 03 > >>> Failure on the back translate address request  > > C > >That is a DECnet-Plus(nee DECnet-OSI (nee DECnet Phase V)) error  > >message.  > G > You have not defined your own node in efe DECnet register (not really  > a problem) > , > You should be using NCL not NCP (Ph4 only) >  > Try MCR DECNET_REGISTER  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:09:26 -0400 , From: "Michael L. Umbricht" <mikeu@osfn.org>  Subject: Re: DECTalk help needed( Message-ID: <3BB4D8F6.6D285E2C@osfn.org>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > r > In article <00A02A58.A8D0DF32@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:b > :In article <9otdib$3oc$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > ..? > :>Is there anywhere I can find ROM images for the EPROMs in a  > :>DECTalk DTC01??  > H >   I'm checking with the resident DTC01 engineering pack-rat, to see if; >   he has any EPROMs or copies of the EPROM images around.   H Where can I find the error codes for the LED's on the back of the DTC01?   -mikeu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:07:02 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> $ Subject: Re: Defining a logical in C, Message-ID: <3BB4CA56.ED8658B7@videotron.ca>  5 > >     $DESCRIPTOR( lognam_d, "TEST_LOGICAL_NAME" ); 6 > >     $DESCRIPTOR( logval_d, "TEST_LOGICAL_VALUE" );7 > >     return lib$set_logical( &lognam_d, &logval_d );     K I have found that with C, I have to supply 0s to fill the unused arguments.    so it should really be    1 lib$set_logical (&lognam_d, &logval_d, 0, 0, 0 );   I I don't know why, but I have sometimes gotten some access violations if I ) didn't supply a 0 for optional arguments.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:51:48 -0700 5 From: Christopher Jovais <cjovais@radiology.ucsf.edu> $ Subject: Re: Defining a logical in C2 Message-ID: <3BB51B23.8F69E556@radiology.ucsf.edu>   Bob Koehler wrote:  l > In article <3BB3D9E5.408D3F76@radiology.ucsf.edu>, Christopher Jovais <cjovais@radiology.ucsf.edu> writes: > > " > > Simply substituting the lines: > > 5 > >     $DESCRIPTOR( lognam_d, "TEST_LOGICAL_NAME" ); 6 > >     $DESCRIPTOR( logval_d, "TEST_LOGICAL_VALUE" );7 > >     return lib$set_logical( &lognam_d, &logval_d );  > D >    Can't figure out exactly what your code looks like now.  Please >    post the whole function.    Here is the original code:   #include <stdio.h> #include "acm_api.h"   main() {  struct acm_api_arg apiarg;  H memset((char *)&apiarg, 0, sizeof(apiarg));         /* init structure */  " if (!(sdti$acm_api_init(&apiarg)))     { A       printf("Cannot initialize client-server communication.\n");        exit(1);     }    if (sdti$acm_api_auth(&apiarg))     {  < /* want to set a logical here rather than print a message */  J       printf("\n%s%s\n","Login granted to user ", apiarg.sdti$t_username);       exit(0);    } else printf("Login denied\n"); }   d What I need to do is instead of printing a success message is to define a logical name so that I canW determine success.  If the code reaches the printf("\n%s%s\n","Login granted to user ", j apiarg.sdti$t_username) line the authentication was successful but I need to pass that information back tom the application that called this code.  Thus the logical name can be a string constant and the value can be a 5 string constant as seen in the set_logical.c example.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:14:22 -0700 5 From: Christopher Jovais <cjovais@radiology.ucsf.edu> $ Subject: Re: Defining a logical in C2 Message-ID: <3BB52E7D.16F35425@radiology.ucsf.edu>  n Hate to answer my own question and have to admit to a little boo boo but... this actually works after removingp the 'return' from the lib$set_logical line .  In my testing I neglected to pass an argument  - the code I postedN previously was an earlier version and didn't accept one.  The working code is:   #include <stdio.h> #include <descrip.h> #include "acm_api.h"   main(int argc, char *argv[]) {  struct acm_api_arg apiarg;  H memset((char *)&apiarg, 0, sizeof(apiarg));         /* init structure */  ( strcpy(apiarg.sdti$t_username, argv[1]);  " if (!(sdti$acm_api_init(&apiarg)))     {UA       printf("Cannot initialize client-server communication.\n");e       exit(1);     }y  ( if (sdti$acm_api_auth(&apiarg, argv[1]))    {1     $DESCRIPTOR( lognam_d, "TEST_LOGICAL_NAME" );l2     $DESCRIPTOR( logval_d, "TEST_LOGICAL_VALUE" );,     lib$set_logical( &lognam_d, &logval_d );    }   else printf("Login denied\n");   }r  p I can't tell you what an incredible resource this group is and I sincerely thank all of you for your assistance.   Christopher Jovais wrote:F   > Bob Koehler wrote: > n > > In article <3BB3D9E5.408D3F76@radiology.ucsf.edu>, Christopher Jovais <cjovais@radiology.ucsf.edu> writes: > > >m$ > > > Simply substituting the lines: > > >r7 > > >     $DESCRIPTOR( lognam_d, "TEST_LOGICAL_NAME" ); 8 > > >     $DESCRIPTOR( logval_d, "TEST_LOGICAL_VALUE" );9 > > >     return lib$set_logical( &lognam_d, &logval_d );  > >eF > >    Can't figure out exactly what your code looks like now.  Please > >    post the whole function.n >t > Here is the original code: >    <snip>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 07:40:04 +0800 ' From: "Kenneth" <chehon@netvigator.com>c" Subject: disk "mounted dismounted"0 Message-ID: <9p31gc$a6p2@imsp212.netvigator.com>  K When I shudown one node in a cluster, some of the disk in the other node is5L fall into the "mounted dismounted" status. When I use $SHOW DEV/FIL to checkI the disk, there is nothing accessing the device but there will still haveIJ some transaction counts in that device and the system will not allow me toG mount or dismount the volume. All I can do now is to reboot the system.   J What I can check to check what is allocating the disk so I can stop it and1 let the disk dismount, and why would this happen?   ! I am using VMS7.2-1 in Alpha8400.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:32:27 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>& Subject: Re: disk "mounted dismounted"* Message-ID: <3BB532BB.33AE357@bigfoot.com>   Please post the output of:   $ SHOW DEVICE/FILESc
 as well as $ SHOW DEVICE/FULL; for one of the disks observed in the condition you mention.    HM   Kenneth wrote: > M > When I shudown one node in a cluster, some of the disk in the other node iseN > fall into the "mounted dismounted" status. When I use $SHOW DEV/FIL to checkK > the disk, there is nothing accessing the device but there will still havedL > some transaction counts in that device and the system will not allow me toI > mount or dismount the volume. All I can do now is to reboot the system.s > L > What I can check to check what is allocating the disk so I can stop it and3 > let the disk dismount, and why would this happen?  > # > I am using VMS7.2-1 in Alpha8400.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2001 13:03:35 -0700+ From: power_mic@hotmail.com (Michael Power)j$ Subject: Elapsed Time for Batch Jobs= Message-ID: <612cb464.0109281203.24f42a94@posting.google.com>l  9 Can anybody tell me a way to terminate a batch job after  5 a specified time period? I want to be able to do this59 because periodically a batch job with $ COPY/FTP commands 4 hangs due to network problems accessing a NT server.  : I'm aware that I can limit the CPU time of a batch job but6 this can vary depending on the time of day.  The only = method I've can think of is to SPAWN a subprocess with a WAITrA which will terminate it's creator after the time specified in the  WAIT command.    TIA,
 Michael Power    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2001 15:36:47 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ( Subject: Re: Elapsed Time for Batch Jobs3 Message-ID: <06jNb9eC8VlV@eisner.encompasserve.org>2  k In article <612cb464.0109281203.24f42a94@posting.google.com>, power_mic@hotmail.com (Michael Power) writes:.; > Can anybody tell me a way to terminate a batch job after  7 > a specified time period? I want to be able to do this ; > because periodically a batch job with $ COPY/FTP commandsC6 > hangs due to network problems accessing a NT server. > < > I'm aware that I can limit the CPU time of a batch job but8 > this can vary depending on the time of day.  The only ? > method I've can think of is to SPAWN a subprocess with a WAIT C > which will terminate it's creator after the time specified in the: > WAIT command.  >   : 	Something along these lines.  I only wanted to delete for; 	6 hours at a stretch (don't ask... been too long to recallf 	the details anyhow)...  So I:  : 	1)  Spawned a subprocess that watched the parent process. 	2)  It waited 6 hours.m? 	3)  If it was stil alive after 6 hours , kill the parent which@. 		in turn means the spawned process goes away.   	It was effective.   				Rob    $ !MA $ ! Clean out PROD TSAVED . . . Only delete for 6 hours at a timec8 $ ! this is being run out of Cron submitted at 8:30 p.m./ $ ! When TSAVED is cleaned, do TSAVED1, TSAVED2i $ ! + $ ! Subprocess to whack this process . . . f $ !e $ set proc/prio=1o $ hour = p1  $ if p1 .eqs. "" then hour = 6 $ pid = f$getjpi("","pid") $ close/nolog spawnlog6 $ open/write spawnlog sys$login:prod_whacker_'pid'.com> $ write spawnlog "$ masterpid = f$getjpi("""",""master_pid"")"6 $ write spawnlog "$ set proc/name=""Watch TSAVE Del"""' $ write spawnlog "$ wait ''hour':00:00"a( $ write spawnlog "$ stop/id='masterpid'" $ close/nolog spawnlog7 $ spawn/nowait/input=sys$login:prod_whacker_'pid'.com -e)        /output=sys$login:prod_whacker.log  $ !o! $ ! Now the actual deletion . . .o $ !  $ delete = "delete",+ $ delete/log/before=1-jan-1998 prod$s:*.*;*s $ !m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:26:25 -0400m( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>( Subject: Re: Elapsed Time for Batch Jobs+ Message-ID: <3BB4F911.5B77E019@bigfoot.com>c  G You could submit a batch job which submits the batch job you want, then5D waits the specified period of time, then deletes the submitted batch job.   HM   Michael Power wrote: > : > Can anybody tell me a way to terminate a batch job after7 > a specified time period? I want to be able to do thisl; > because periodically a batch job with $ COPY/FTP commands_6 > hangs due to network problems accessing a NT server. > < > I'm aware that I can limit the CPU time of a batch job but7 > this can vary depending on the time of day.  The only ? > method I've can think of is to SPAWN a subprocess with a WAITiC > which will terminate it's creator after the time specified in thet > WAIT command.  >  > TIA, > Michael Power*   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:03:31 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o> Subject: Re: From 'Interactive Week' Read Last six paragraphs., Message-ID: <3BB4C983.A20EC6BE@videotron.ca>   Bob Koehler wrote:D >    Nonesense.  HP should be better at selling VMS than Compaq was.D >    Compaq didn't quite seem to grow out of being a PC company,  HP >    did so long ago.   K Digital purposefully downgraded itself from an enterprise company and triedcL very hard to become a wintel box maker (and wasn't succesful at that). And IM have a feeling that HP has done the same (except that HP was more succesful).b  N Carly said that the combined company would focus on industry standard and openD architectures, contrary to its main competitors who have proprietary solutions. n  L So, why VMS might not be killed, it is a given that it will remain hidden in8 the basement and not featured in advertising, shows etc.  L It is much better to accept this instead of constantly hoping that VMS might one day be resurected.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:19:35 -0600?% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>Q  Subject: Re: FTP over SSH on VMSB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010928131825.00abd420@raptor.psccos.com>  * At 10:59 AM 9/28/2001, Bob Ceculski wrote:2 >"Jan De Meyer" <jdm@ascure.com> wrote in message 2 >news:<3bb449ec$0$7113$4d4efb8e@news.be.uu.net>...I > > Is anybody familiar with a good product for doing ftp over SSH-2 on amL > > VMS-system (both server and client). Other suggestions for securing ftp  > on a > > VMS are welcome too. > >  > > Thx, > > Jan  >eB >there is no such thing as secure ftp ... you can use an encrptionC >router or the last time i checked dec (i mean compaq) (i mean hp?) = >had an encryption tool for rms files ... i think it is stillX >available ...  I Incorrect.  There *IS* such a thing as secure ftp, just not on VMS (yet).cE With the next release of Multinet and TCPware, there will be SSH2 andHG secure copy (scp) support.  Secure FTP (aka sftp) is a superset of scp,L" and we won't have that right away.     ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | I | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |aI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |cI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |SI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+o   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 03:00:05 GMTS, From: "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com>  Subject: Re: Good bye VAX-6400's: Message-ID: <VOat7.4276$Kp2.4248445@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  N In message <20010927175318.81088.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso! <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:a5 > I worked in two or three companies with datacenters $ > in the middle for of the building.4 > One building with 22 floors, the datacenter was in7 > 10th. Other  with 10, the datacenter  was in the 4th.g2 > And other with 11 the datacenter was in the 5th. > J I got lucky in the last datacenter I was in.  There were two main rooms inL the building.  The launch control center and the datacenter.  As I remember,I the datacenter had it's own loading dock.  Or at least it was very close.u -- r4 Jay E. Morris Epsilon 3 Productions www.epsilon3.com@ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:38:55 GMTt% From: C.W.Holeman II <cwhii@mail.com>a5 Subject: Re: Good bye VAX-6400's (VT-103 TU-58 RT-11)fD Message-ID: <3_6t7.3250$b66.153921@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>   Jonathan Boswell wrote:n   > Brian Tillman wrote: > Did K > they also have that pathetically slow TU58 like the 750s?  You don't know J > pain until you have to boot up stand-alone BACKUP from 6 of those little > suckers. (;-)O  / Slower: RT-11 VT-103 dual TU-58 Pascal compile.i   -- o C.W.Holeman IIH cwhii@mail.com                                           http://Emle.orgH http://also.as/cwhii                             http://JulianLocals.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:49:14 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>.  Subject: Re: Help with UNZIP.EXE' Message-ID: <3BB544BA.CC1428E9@fsi.net>M   Brian Tillman wrote: > J > >If it was originally ZIPped under VMS, have you tried "-V" on the unzipB > >(gotta be in quotes, gotta be a capital V) to preserve VMS file > >attributes? > M > That's only true when zipping.  On unzip, -V preserves VMS version numbers.0  = ...but only if version numbers were saved in the first place.   > Remember, also, that version numbers are a feature of ODS (the- "filesystem"), *NOT* RMS (the "file system").s  C (Note: *BEFORE* you reply, notice that one quoted string contains ai space, the other does not.)i   -- r David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsf http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:09:04 -0400-( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>) Subject: Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs + Message-ID: <3BB4BCC0.CDDAA8CF@bigfoot.com>s  F Further evidence that HP-UX is out, Linux is in.  Wait till we get the% news about Tru64 - and VMS of course..   HM   John Eisenschmidt wrote: > s > HPaq is apparently laying off some of it's HP-UX engineers, some who were hired away from AT&T Bell Labs in 1996.  > u > http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=mktw&dist=mktwmore&guid=%7B5CF30A4C-FDDA-4F49-AEC5-C0ABB88DD257%7Df   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:18:41 -0400n% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>s) Subject: Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffst. Message-ID: <tr9fo3fnc2v2d@news.supernews.com>  J So they're laying off the HP-UX engineers and keeping the Tru64 engineers?L Or are the Tru64 engineers next to go?  This doesn't make any sense but then again, neither does the merger.o  8 "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote in message% news:sbb47c76.065@AAASMTA.aaas.org... I HPaq is apparently laying off some of it's HP-UX engineers, some who wereg' hired away from AT&T Bell Labs in 1996.h  L http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=mktw&dist=mktwmore&guid=%7B' 5CF30A4C-FDDA-4F49-AEC5-C0ABB88DD257%7Dn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:32:55 -0700h0 From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com>) Subject: RE: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs,; Message-ID: <000101c14865$23921ec0$9c96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>k  J They are doing this BEFORE the merger is even done !!   Just think of whatH joys there will be when they actually do merge !!  There might be dumped$ unix enginerrs all over the place !!' Just keep the VMS folks is all I ask !!r     -----Original Message-----* From: John Vottero [mailto:John@mvpsi.com]) Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 11:19 AMn To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt) Subject: Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffsi    J So they're laying off the HP-UX engineers and keeping the Tru64 engineers?L Or are the Tru64 engineers next to go?  This doesn't make any sense but then again, neither does the merger.s  8 "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote in message% news:sbb47c76.065@AAASMTA.aaas.org...iI HPaq is apparently laying off some of it's HP-UX engineers, some who weret' hired away from AT&T Bell Labs in 1996.l  L http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=mktw&dist=mktwmore&guid=%7B' 5CF30A4C-FDDA-4F49-AEC5-C0ABB88DD257%7D,   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:39:30 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>) Subject: RE: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffso@ Message-ID: <20010928183930.38728.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>  1 Just imagine the OpenVMS people leaving HP+Compaqr0 and creating a new company to work strictly with- OVMS and Layered Products... and the creation - of the "OpenVMS Consortium" joining companiesg% like Process, RAXCO, Legato, etc ....a  0 The problem : OVMS nowadays is attached to ALpha- but when Itanium comes the things can change.    May be... may be not ...    4 I belive the OVMS world should open their eyes to=20 Agilent too.   Regardst   FC=20n3 --- Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com> wrote:- >=204 > They are doing this BEFORE the merger is even done > !!   Just think of what 6 > joys there will be when they actually do merge !!=20 > There might be dumpedC& > unix enginerrs all over the place !!) > Just keep the VMS folks is all I ask !!i >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message-----, > From: John Vottero [mailto:John@mvpsi.com]+ > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 11:19 AMw > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + > Subject: Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffse >=20 >=20/ > So they're laying off the HP-UX engineers ande > keeping the Tru64 engineers?6 > Or are the Tru64 engineers next to go?  This doesn't > make any sense but thent! > again, neither does the merger.R >=202 > "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote in	 > messageD' > news:sbb47c76.065@AAASMTA.aaas.org... 2 > HPaq is apparently laying off some of it's HP-UX > engineers, some who were) > hired away from AT&T Bell Labs in 1996.r >=20 >hL http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=3Dmktw&dist=3Dmktwmore&gui= d=3D%7Bo) > 5CF30A4C-FDDA-4F49-AEC5-C0ABB88DD257%7D  >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DeL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D[ F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilg fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dr  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?3 Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone.i http://phone.yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2001 21:25:22 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) ) Subject: Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs;' Message-ID: <9p2ps2$qp9$1@joe.rice.edu>   , John Eisenschmidt (jeisensc@aaas.org) wrote:L : HPaq is apparently laying off some of it's HP-UX engineers, some who were ) : hired away from AT&T Bell Labs in 1996.r ::M : http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=3Dmktw&dist=3Dmktwmore&gui 0 : d=3D%7B5CF30A4C-FDDA-4F49-AEC5-C0ABB88DD257%7D  : That confirms The Inquirer's story from earlier this week:  *    http://www.theinquirer.net/24090103.htm  *   "HP New York layoffs announced tomorrow?     170 Unix boffins under threat  ,    By Andrew Thomas, 24/09/2001 12:34:24 BST  H    As we reported last week, all is not sweetness and light at HPQ these    days.  G    HP has a lab in suburban NY with about 175 staff, of which 125 or so-G    have spent the last two years doing most of the work to get HP-UX tocC    work on Intel's 64 bit Itanic. Now it looks very much as if it'sD     curtains for the lot of them.  D    More than half of the staff has been working on Unix for up to 20A    years or longer, having come from AT&T Bell Labs, Unix Systems H    Laboratories and Novell. Many of the engineers joined HP back in 19964    when Novell sold the UnixWare product to SCO...."    A That seems an odd group to whack if HPUX/IA64 is the future unix.o  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2001 19:37:14 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)p) Subject: Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs 3 Message-ID: <sgKRbZCl1wO8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <9p2ps2$qp9$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:t  C > That seems an odd group to whack if HPUX/IA64 is the future unix.s  8 A news report indicated it is not their main Unix group.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 01:32:09 GMT * From: cjt & trefoil <cheljuba@prodigy.net>) Subject: Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffsi+ Message-ID: <3BB524BA.7ABABE15@prodigy.net>d   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > U > In article <9p2ps2$qp9$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:i > E > > That seems an odd group to whack if HPUX/IA64 is the future unix.l > : > A news report indicated it is not their main Unix group.   How many do/did they have?   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2001 21:08:41 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)u) Subject: Re: HPaq Announces HP-UX Layoffs 3 Message-ID: <4d4o6hLFbCfT@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  X In article <3BB524BA.7ABABE15@prodigy.net>, cjt & trefoil <cheljuba@prodigy.net> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> -V >> In article <9p2ps2$qp9$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes: >> aF >> > That seems an odd group to whack if HPUX/IA64 is the future unix. >> 5; >> A news report indicated it is not their main Unix group.  >  > How many do/did they have?  @ At least one other, in Fort Collins Colorado, in which 42 people/ from the dismantled group will be offered jobs.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:21:30 -0400a- From: "Robert Fraysse" <rfraysse@sctcorp.com>  Subject: Re: inserting moduleT% Message-ID: <KH6t7.24$Lz.1693@client>-  8 It is probably locked by the VMS queueing system.  Try $; STOP/QUEUE/MANAGER[/CLUSTER], perform the insertion, then $R START/QUEUE/MANAGERa    3 "A Bonaveidogo" <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote in messageo, news:01C148DF.EFC8B6A0@PATRICK.FSC.COM.FJ... >pD > I wanted to insert a module into the system default device control+ library. When I apply the following commandh >bE > library/insert/text sys$library:sysdevctl.tlb sys$library:xxxxx.txte >sE > I got the following error message "  LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error openingt, SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSLIB]SYSDEVCTL.TLB;2 as input3 > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another userb >  > what shall i doe >n > ab   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:50:24 -0400c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r/ Subject: Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacym, Message-ID: <3BB4C670.7F2A8D22@videotron.ca>   Bob Koehler wrote:H >    Nope.  People leaving VMS mostly left DEC and/or Compaq.  Sun, SGI,+ >    and HP got bussiness from those folks.b  J Which is good news for IBM and Sun because people being forced off VMS now won't go to HP anymore.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:10:50 -0400.- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> / Subject: Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacyr, Message-ID: <3BB4CB39.CA52C566@videotron.ca>   Nic Clews wrote: >  > Paul Sture wrote:c > >dL > > http://www.XAMAN.CO.UK/indexmain.html is full of the stuff (incidentallyL > > it caused me considerable browser problems, and won't work at all if you/ > > don't use a frames enabled browser - grrrr)n > - > Doesn't work with Java switched off either.   K Sites like that don't have a clue of the number of people they site repells"I since their logs show that 99% of users are using Windows with everything0M enabled (since those would be the only users who continue that far into theiro
 web site).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:28:21 +0100o% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> / Subject: Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacyf* Message-ID: <3BB4CF54.80E64A5D@virgin.net>   Ian Williams wrote:-   >a > F > We have clearly caused some consternation with our remarks regardingD > Manufacturing and VMS. These where intended to generate a reactionE > from our target market, the wording of the copy on the web site maybF > have been somewhat inappropriately aggressive on an operating systemC > that a significant part of our business is predicated. To certain C > audiences the message clearly missed the point we where trying toi > establish. >   W Will you undertake to change the content of the printed glossy marketing material whichgY contained even more negative comments relating to VMS than the web site? Will you contacttV customers who have already received this literature (such as ourselves) with a written correction?h  _ I had some potential interest in some of the services you could offer until I actually read thee	 brochure.h   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:46:13 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>f/ Subject: Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacyI' Message-ID: <3BB54405.4A125602@fsi.net>.   Ian Williams wrote:. >  > Gentlemen, > F > We have clearly caused some consternation with our remarks regardingD > Manufacturing and VMS. These where intended to generate a reactionE > from our target market, the wording of the copy on the web site maywF > have been somewhat inappropriately aggressive on an operating systemC > that a significant part of our business is predicated. To certaineC > audiences the message clearly missed the point we where trying to  > establish. > F >  As part of our offering we, in the main, move users from VAX VMS toE > alpha/VAX mixed platforms. As you can see our history is VMS and we.. > have built a considerable business upon VMS. > F > I note some sceptical remarks have been raised, but would do no moreE > than extend my offer to anyone within the group to come and discusstB > with us our capability and philosophy or a general debate on the > future of VMS. > F > As a team we have a great deal of experience with VMS and have greatF > regard for the platform. We have instructed our marketing departmentE > to change our collateral to better reflect our offering and welcome  > any further comment. > G > I would also like to thank David for forwarding my reply to the groupuB > and assure you that we are as passionate about VMS as all of you+ > clearly are! (not spin; or even English!)    Ian, et al,h  E We need to put forth a showing - an unmistakable message to Compaq/HP G that they are, in the American vernacular, "pissing away a fortune". In G these days of troubled economy and uncertain security, I feel we should(A be focussing on systems that can withstand severe attacks throughiH redundancy such as "long-distance" clusters and just through simple lack! of vulnerability to common hacks.t  B We all know that VMS has always done surprisingly well in terms ofF market share, considering it's never been marketed effectively. I haveG to believe that given an effective marketing strategy, VMS could easily-= at least double its current market share, and quite likely do E considerably more. (I'm purposely supressing any further hyperbole at 4 this point, lest I be considered overly optimistic.)  H Trouble is, we're all waiting for Compaq/HP to make the first move - and we all know they won't.o  @ So, it is up to you, it is up to me, it is up to all of us to beD positive about VMS wherever we can. If THEY won't "sell" it, then weC should sell it for them, IMHO. I've never seen ANYone being draggedSH kicking and screaming to the bank to deposit their profits - until I metD Digital/Compaq. That shouldn't stop us. Being the middle men, we canB still make our money and leave plenty for them - since they demand plenty in the first place!  G In other contexts, we see the expression "give 'til it hurts". I'd vary A that slightly to say, "be positive 'til it hurts, and then some".,   FWIW...n   --   David J. Dachteraw dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 01:22:27 -0400u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>m/ Subject: Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy , Message-ID: <3BB55A82.783947C9@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:B > So, it is up to you, it is up to me, it is up to all of us to beF > positive about VMS wherever we can. If THEY won't "sell" it, then we  > should sell it for them, IMHO.  H That is how VMS has survived since Palmer. Pushed and saved by customersN decrying Digital/Compaq's handling of VMS, forcing the company to postpone the' death announcement over and over again.l  M But with the way Compaq announced the death of Alpha, I have given up. What'ssM the point ? Let them decide on their product suite. If the want to ignore VMSlH or kill it, why waste energy trying to oppose it ? At best you will only postpone their decision.  G What is the point of busting your own butt, and not only get nothing in M return, but get a bad reputation because you go against the vendor's wishes ?   J If HP wants VMS revenus, it should work to get them. Why should it rely on? volunteers doing all the work so that HP can get some profits ?a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:56:02 -0500-1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r Subject: Re: Memory Usagei' Message-ID: <3BB54652.FDA344E9@fsi.net>V  " Thanx, Mark! Forgot about those...   "Mark D. Jilson" wrote:p > I > F$GETJPI(PID,"PPGCNT") + F$GETJPI(PID,"GPGCNT") will account for all ofpC > the physical memory the process is currently referencing via it'ssG > working set.  This obviously does not account for physical pages thataG > are on the modified list.  Additionally you have to remember that the F > GPGCNT pages, in total or in part, may or may not be shared by other > processes on the system. >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >y > > Mark wrote:w > > >.I > > > I am looking for the best way to show a summary of memory usage.  I/L > > > know that I can do a show process to get a memory usage on that singleG > > > process but I want to see everything that is in memory.  Example:e > > >  > > > user_1       2300 pages. > > > user_2       3800 pagese > > > image1.exe   12000 pages > > > .. > > > .l > > > .t > > >sK > > > Does anyone know of a program (freeware or not) that does this?  Am IP; > > > missing some basic monitor command that will do this?e > >w" > > Rough guess - I think perhaps: > >6( > > $ WSSIZE = F$GETJPI( PID, "WSSIZE" )- > > $ PGFILCNT =  F$GETJPI( PID, "PGFILCNT" )3  > > $ PHYMEM = WSSIZE - PGFILCNT > > L > > ...might tell you how many physical pages (Alpha Pagelets) of memory areG > > in use by a process at any one time (subtract the current page fileo. > > usage(?) from the total working-set size). > > I > > Shot from the hip. Perhaps one of the real gurus has a better take on? > > this...T > >e > > -- > > David J. Dachteran > > dba DJE Systems  > > http://www.djesys.com/ > >g, > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:# > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/@ >  > --H > Jilly   - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NYL >         - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine fanL >         - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com                        - since 1975 or so5 >         - http://www.jilly.baka.com               -      -- r David J. Dachtera2 dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:12:33 +0100E+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>h& Subject: Re: Router load host or local' Message-ID: <3BB4E7C1.B7F22C98@iee.org>x   Kenneth wrote:K > How can I check if the router config is load for itself or from the host?e  
 Which router?    Antonioo   -- o   ---------------e- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgn   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 07:47:14 +0800e' From: "Kenneth" <chehon@netvigator.com>e Subject: Tape mount dismount0 Message-ID: <9p31tq$a7b1@imsp212.netvigator.com>  K When I try to stop some SLS backup job, I usually delete the job entry. ButtF sometimes the entry just stay in aborting status and the subprocess itJ created will fall in to suspend mode which will not ended. The worst thingG is, the tape it allocated will change to a mounted dismounted status. IhE cannot stop the process by $STOP PROCES/ID=???? to stop the suspendedF. process. All I can do is to reboot the system.  B 1. Is there any way I can force stop the process beside using STOP PROCESS/ID?bE 2. Is there any work around if I cannot reboot the system right away?sH 3. Is this a proper way to stop a SLS job by del it's entry, or should I6 just offline the tape drive to make the process exist?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 23:11:43 GMTc- From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>o Subject: Text or FTN -> PDF,, Message-ID: <Ps7t7.135834$K6.62061093@news2>  D Is there a converter(s) that will take a text file (Fortran carriage$ control) file and convert it to PDF?  I I'm on VMS 7.2-1 and checked the freeware CD and didn't see anything, but " I'm sure I've seen it in the past.   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:35:13 GMTo. From: "Frank Troth" <frank.e.troth@boeing.com>1 Subject: The Wollongong Group and wintcp, Pathwayh( Message-ID: <GKE3up.LEC@news.boeing.com>  L I'd like to find out who bought Wollongong, and/or who supports their wintcp: product.  This also became part of  their Pathway product.  F Searching the web brought up a wine group, and lots of tourist info onL Wollongong, Australia, which I'm sure I will want to visit, now, and so will you!   Frank Trothn The Boeing Company( frank.e.troth@boeing.com    206-544-1772   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:12:05 -0700,! From: Don Sykes <don@alphase.com> 5 Subject: Re: The Wollongong Group and wintcp, Pathways+ Message-ID: <3BB511D5.B8A00B8D@alphase.com>   * Attachmate bought Pathway a few years ago. DonX   Frank Troth wrote: > N > I'd like to find out who bought Wollongong, and/or who supports their wintcp< > product.  This also became part of  their Pathway product. > H > Searching the web brought up a wine group, and lots of tourist info onN > Wollongong, Australia, which I'm sure I will want to visit, now, and so will > you! > 
 > Frank Troth= > The Boeing Company* > frank.e.troth@boeing.com    206-544-1772   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2001 13:02:40 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)38 Subject: Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1?3 Message-ID: <gtKILFfiUsqB@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  ` In article <4oHjj5R0cTEl@malvm6.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:? > In article <oi2t7.35987$vq.8354948@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, H< >     "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >  >>  7 >> "Steve Thompson" <smt@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message F >> news:Pine.LNX.4.33.0109281300001.5914-100000@ibmbox.vgersoft.com... >>>wN >>> Even if the total change in price is zero, maintenance $$$ often comes outM >>> of a different pot than new hardware $$$, and a change like this may wellD6 >>> make new hardware purchases easier for some folks. >>>s >> :@ >> Good point. Anything to minimize the entry price is goodness. >> sJ >   Not necessarily. It's often easier to get a larger one-time allocationH > (eg new purchase) than get an ongoing budget increase. I suspect thereC > will be as many customers who find a purchase harder with a lower # > initial price/higher maintenance.  >   & 	Like most things, it depends.  Right?  @ 	I mean if you are buying them in lots of 100 it would be a huge< 	advantage to get it cheaper up front.  Larger numbers allowB 	"wounded soldiers" to be offline with no impact and if it is bad,B 	the "wounded soldier" is cannablized.  Buy 102 instead of 100 and0 	spend a lot less than the old purchasing model.   				Robr 				   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2001 13:43:13 -05001 From: Graham Allan <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam>68 Subject: Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1?/ Message-ID: <w53elorp35q.fsf@crail.spa.umn.edu>-  / Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com> writes:g   > Graham Allan wrote:K > >lK > > Worse than that, as we've been getting three year warranties on all ouri, > > PC purchases for a long time now anyway  > . > What PC vendor is giving 3 year warranties ?  G Dell certainly do on their servers (and I think on their normal PCs toot@ though I haven't bought any recently). Our local PC builder also= has a 3 year warranty on all the desktop systems I've bought.1   Graham --  I -------------------------------------------------------------------------U Graham Allan9 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of MinnesotaeI -------------------------------------------------------------------------u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:37:13 +0100I% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>r8 Subject: Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1?* Message-ID: <3BB4D168.941B51F5@virgin.net>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:0  O > "I haven't looked at pricing (don't have access to sufficiently detailed info J > at this point) but I suspect CPQ didn't lower the price by an equivalentM > amount since the ES45 is brand new iron. ES40 prices allegedly will be cut,gF > so it's even more difficult to assess the net impact of the services > sleight-of-hand.   Terry,  N Compaq have price book entries for the ES45 now in the UK. It is significantlyP more expensive than an ES40 with or without warranty charges but, for our needs,P it is still good value for money at 1GHz. I think the warranty move is a mistake though.o   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:25:01 GMT-4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>8 Subject: Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1?< Message-ID: <x05t7.36359$vq.8469653@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  > "Graham Allan" <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam> wrote in message) news:w53elorp35q.fsf@crail.spa.umn.edu...n1 > Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com> writes:v >o > > Graham Allan wrote:o > > >eI > > > Worse than that, as we've been getting three year warranties on alle ourm- > > > PC purchases for a long time now anywayi > >.0 > > What PC vendor is giving 3 year warranties ? >nI > Dell certainly do on their servers (and I think on their normal PCs too B > though I haven't bought any recently). Our local PC builder also? > has a 3 year warranty on all the desktop systems I've bought.y >c > Graham  
 A visit to  8 http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/support/machine_warranties/  < reveals that most IBM servers come with a one-year warranty.  K Ditto for HP Netservers (the HP site is nowhere near as easy to navigate asm is the IBM site).C  I So it would appear that Compaq is diluting its warranty to achieve parityVG with the competition. I've never been enthused with dumbing down to therD lowest common denominator (that happens enough in the US educationalC system!) so my take is that Compaq is ceding a valuable competitive-L differentiator. Caveat: I don't have access to the information that Compaq'sL beancounters and services bigwigs have at their disposal, so I may only have half of the story here...5   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Sep 01 02:07:31 GMT- From: jason@azure.dstc.edu.au (jason andrade)s8 Subject: Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1?* Message-ID: <jason.1001729251@dstc.edu.au>  / Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com> writes:g       >Graham Allan wrote: >>J >> Worse than that, as we've been getting three year warranties on all our+ >> PC purchases for a long time now anyway o  - >What PC vendor is giving 3 year warranties ?e   apple.  (return to base) dell.   (on site)n  M a variety of local vendors offer a 3 year warranty now - some are RTB, others- are onsite.e   -jason   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:07:14 -0400R, From: "Michael L. Umbricht" <mikeu@osfn.org>/ Subject: Re: Whose Running The Oldest Software?a( Message-ID: <3BB4CA62.33E4FF14@osfn.org>   Jonathan McCormack wrote:o >  > VMS V5.5-1 > 3 > So, is anybody running older software than me? :)r  G I have, on occasion, booted VMS v3.2 or 3.3 on an 11/750.  But mostly Ib	 run 5.4-2    -mikeu   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.541 ************************