1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 29 Sep 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 542       Contents: Re: Elapsed Time for Batch Jobs  Re: firewall & NAT desired Re: Good bye VAX-6400's  Re: inserting module& Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy& Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy# Point me in the right direction.... ' Re: Starting DECwindows on DEC 3000-600  Re: Text or FTN -> PDF= To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel A Re: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel A Re: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel A Re: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel  Re: VT emulation on Linux / Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1? ! Re: weird MRU/scsi robot problems   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 05:50:21 GMT / From: "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com> ( Subject: Re: Elapsed Time for Batch JobsB Message-ID: <xidt7.10541$gy4.684543126@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>  . "Michael Power" <power_mic@hotmail.com> wrote:: > Can anybody tell me a way to terminate a batch job after > a specified time period?   Just add the single line:   H $ spawn /nowait pipe wait 0:5:0 ; stop /ident='F$GETJPI("","master_pid")  A at the start of your command file.  Replace time with whatever is  appropriate for you.   James   > ps. this message will determine if I have access once again...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:57:52 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch># Subject: Re: firewall & NAT desired + Message-ID: <VA.00000465.241e4441@sture.ch>   9 In article <9ouvuu$fog$1@pyrite.mv.net>, Bill Todd wrote: 6 > "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message5 > news:daDs7.9377$%r.2763867@news20.bellglobal.com...  >  > .... > K > > A guaranteed cheaper (US$105 at www.Amazon.com) solution is to by a new K > > LinkSys BEFSR41 which incorporates a 4 port Ethernet switch with a user M > > configurable firewall. Mine is configured to log onto my ISP (I have ADSL  > inL > > my home) with my account number and password which means no PPPoE client > s/w I > > running on machines behind the firewall. I used this same solution to K > > connect 3 PC's in my sister's home to the LinkSys at 100 MHz while a 10  > MHz I > > DSL line is presented to the ISP (because of NAT, the ISP sees one PC L > > running three browser sessions rather than three PCs running one browserN > > session each). At the same time, the machines behind the firewall all haveF > > Windows "file sharing" and "print sharing" enabled so the kids can
 > transfer > > files etc. > > > > > http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=20&grid=5 > > N > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/electronics/B00004SB92/! > > tech-data/107-4072349-5129362 > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/proxy_firewall.html > L > As one who has recently been investigating such a configuration, I'd agree# > but note that at least one source I >  http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/sharingcable.htm - see the J > section on product recommendations) has reported data integrity problems > with that LinkSys box. > M Thanks for the link. I've been looking at this area too, in conjunction with  F cable or ADSL possibilities (my current ISDN hub/router has filtering < capabilities, but I gather that the cable/ADSL boxes don't).  M I noted that the article recommends getting 2 different network cards, which  M my experience with some el cheapo NE2000 clones would tend to bear out. They  M work fine on their own, but I couldn't get both working in a box at the same   time.   K On the subject of using old hardware, you'd better have some spares handy,  J because they are not readily available in the shops any more. Getting old & device drivers may be problematic too.   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Sep 2001 06:11:18 GMT- From: Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu>   Subject: Re: Good bye VAX-6400's, Message-ID: <9p3om6$ov1$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  . Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> wrote: > Brian Tillman wrote:O >> got our first VAX in 1978 with, I think, VMS V2.0.  Our 11/725s are still in  >> service.   R > Of all the VAXen I can think of, that strikes me as the LEAST desirable model toN > keep around.  Why on earth did you choose such a feeble-minded machine?  DidP > they also have that pathetically slow TU58 like the 750s?  You don't know painN > until you have to boot up stand-alone BACKUP from 6 of those little suckers. > (;-)  E No, real pain with the TU58's is getting replacements when the rubber E drive wheel goes bad.  And they do about every half dozen or so years D of use.  We still have two HSC50's, it took field service nearly twoH weeks to scrounge up three replacement drives for them not too long ago.D The real fun is cleaning the contaminated cartridges when the backupG copy of the system software turns out to have gone bad in storage.  Now , I have to figure out how to dupe them again.   Joe Heimann    heimann@ecs.umasas.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:57:52 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: inserting module + Message-ID: <VA.00000468.241e445f@sture.ch>   < In article <3BB2738C.7F307586@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote: > A Bonaveidogo wrote:t > > I got the following error message "  LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSLIB]SYSDEVCTL.TLB;2 as input5 > > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user  > M > You have to stop all print queues that use this file. Once stopped, you can - > update the file, and then restart the file.  > * > Another option is to copy the .TLB file: > O > copy SYSDEVCTL.TLB;2 ;3  to create a new version, update the new version, and F > then stop queues and then restart them so the new version gets used. > R And if this is a cluster, make sure it goes to SYS$COMMON rather than SYS$SYSROOT. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:01:26 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>/ Subject: Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy + Message-ID: <VA.00000463.23ea99ee@sture.ch>   : In article <3BB476F7.EF703AD5@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:  > > L > > http://www.XAMAN.CO.UK/indexmain.html is full of the stuff (incidentallyL > > it caused me considerable browser problems, and won't work at all if you/ > > don't use a frames enabled browser - grrrr)  > - > Doesn't work with Java switched off either.  > J > Not grrrr but can't be bothered looking. They must have money to burn ifB > they can afford to publish and have web sites hosted that aren't > generally viewable.  > L It seems to be a nasty trend at the moment. I get the impression that a lot D of ex dot-commas (.,s for short:-) ) have moved on to find new mugs.  M www.telegraph.co.uk for example was the site which introduced me to surfing,  H as opposed to just grabbing info then exiting pronto. This was due to a L simple (fast to download) layout combined with links to related subjects on K virtually every article. It _was_ an informative and enjoyable experience,  K (also ideal for those times when you were waiting for some job to complete   before going home).   L During my first coffee of the day I could take in the front page headlines, M with one click apiece visiting each of world, financial, UK. A good overview  ' of events in the minimum space of time.   L Grab the crossword in another click. Links to features carried the author's G name, so I could hone in on folks whose writing or views I found worth   reading.  M Since their recent site overhaul, it's nothing but a mess, seemingly devoted  L to cater for the clickaholic. Missing links, weekly sections not updated at L the weekend, new windows popping up all over the place - do I _really_ want I to see a pop-up ad for a Volvo or Audi A6 for _every_ motoring article I   wish to read? Nope!   J > Or have shops all of a sudden got signs saying "you can't come in unlessH > you're wearing a green jumper and size 9 shoes and your name is Bill". > L It seems so :-( (and, oh dear, I've just discovered that my local town hall M has just caught the same disease - unviewable from a non-Windoesn't box, and   the source has VBscript in it).   
 > Their loss.  > K Yes. I simply can't be bothered with the Torygraph site any more. The daft  J thing is that in the old format I wouldn't have minded paying a (sensibly  priced) subscription.  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:53:47 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> / Subject: Re: Major VMS reseller says VMS legacy ' Message-ID: <3BB5FC9B.6C98EF6B@fsi.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:D > > So, it is up to you, it is up to me, it is up to all of us to beH > > positive about VMS wherever we can. If THEY won't "sell" it, then we" > > should sell it for them, IMHO. > J > That is how VMS has survived since Palmer. Pushed and saved by customersP > decrying Digital/Compaq's handling of VMS, forcing the company to postpone the) > death announcement over and over again.  > O > But with the way Compaq announced the death of Alpha, I have given up. What's O > the point ? Let them decide on their product suite. If the want to ignore VMS J > or kill it, why waste energy trying to oppose it ? At best you will only > postpone their decision. > I > What is the point of busting your own butt, and not only get nothing in O > return, but get a bad reputation because you go against the vendor's wishes ?  > L > If HP wants VMS revenus, it should work to get them. Why should it rely onA > volunteers doing all the work so that HP can get some profits ?    Why?  D Because we, in turn, profit from our own efforts. Compaq/HP get whatG they need (profit - whether they want it or not: they have shareholders A to deal with whether they want to admit that or not; so, like the E recalcitrant child, they will eventually thank us for forcing them to H "eat their vegetables"). We get what we need - profit. The customers getG what they need - stable, secure, reliable systems. ...and those who are B so enamoured they'd "rather fight than switch" get what they want:H Billyware, so even Billy gets what he wants while the industry gets whatE it wants/needs: choice and competition. Win-win-win-win-win. Tough to ? find a loser in that scenario, with the possible exception of a , megalomanical ego somewhere along the way...  C Why hang on? Because we have what the industry deperately needs - a H stable, secure, reliable platform. The industry was weaned on WhineBloze= - it doesn't know any better, nor does it know that there are H alternatives. Pointy-clicky toys are all they can see. That is the "soft6 under-belly" that represents a potential opportunity.    Ready, aim, FIRE!   H ...and for you procrastinators out there, ready, FIRE! ...then aim - or,D as one of mentors once said, "I'd rather see a crooked furrow than a8 field unplowed." (also known as "the power of momentum")   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:05:24 GMT  From: Robin <rlb@austin.rr.com> , Subject: Point me in the right direction...., Message-ID: <3BB5E33E.3ACC12A@austin.rr.com>  B Is it possible to restrict Telnet and FTP access via IP address on an OpenVMS 7.3 Alphaserver?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 14:45:45 +0200 , From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>0 Subject: Re: Starting DECwindows on DEC 3000-600; Message-ID: <3bb5c45e$0$96722$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl>   > "Graham Allan" <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam> wrote in message) news:w53hetnp6ud.fsf@crail.spa.umn.edu...  > I > I just added an old DEC 3000m600 to our cluster, running VMS 7.2-1 (and K > the most recent patch bundle). It's a standard ethernet satellite type of H > configuration, and there are similar hardware nodes already present inI > the cluster. For some reason this system won't start DECwindows at boot H > time, even though WINDOW_SYSTEM=1 in MODPARAMS.DAT, and all the SYSGENL > parameters (which I know of) seem ok. The video card is the standard/basicI > PMAGB-B, and DECwindows does start ok if I run sys$startup:decw$startup 
 > manually...  > L > In a flash of inspiration I checked the console settings, and found it hadK > SERVER=ON (once upon a time in a past life, this box had no video and was K > used with a serial console). I was sure setting this to OFF might fix it, # > but alas I was wrong - no change!  > J > Is there anything obvious I might have missed - could VMS have made someL > kind of setting based upon the console SERVER=ON at the time the satellite > was added?  D Is DECW$STARTUP.COM actually called during normal startup? You mightJ considering adding a REPLY command at the beginning to verify that it does get started.  J Is the logical DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS defined somewhere during startup? IfL it is, it is defined /PROCESS and the logicals will disappear as the STARTUP
 process ends.    Just two possibilities...    HTH,   Regards,  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:03:15 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Text or FTN -> PDF + Message-ID: <VA.00000469.245a1f75@sture.ch>   A In article <Ps7t7.135834$K6.62061093@news2>, Dave Pampreen wrote: F > Is there a converter(s) that will take a text file (Fortran carriage& > control) file and convert it to PDF? > K > I'm on VMS 7.2-1 and checked the freeware CD and didn't see anything, but $ > I'm sure I've seen it in the past. >  > Dave > E There's a shareware utility available at www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html    Disclaimer: I haven't tried it.  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 03:09:26 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>F Subject: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel+ Message-ID: <3BB573A6.1D5BAC40@bigfoot.com>   & My apologies in advance to Billy Joel.  4 It's Still VMS For Me               By Hamlyn Mootoo  * What's the matter with the VAX I'm booting% Can't you tell that it's all but died ) Maybe I should buy some old line printers + Move the tractors, the greenbar's too wide. , Where have you been hidin' out lately, Mikey6 You can't kill the OS 'til you bleed it for more money) Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new Windows   Funny, but it's still VMS for me  + What's the matter with the tape I'm writing % field service says it's "out of spec" $ Should I get a set of new DLT drives" They're much faster, what the heck% Nowadays you can't be too sentimental 1 Your best bet's a full image, then an incremental 8 Try restore, can't score, swear it worked the day before It's still VMS for me   1 It doesn't matter what they say in the "roadmaps" * 'Cause it's always been the same old scene There's a new chief in town 9 But you can't get the low-down from a story in a magazine $ The lines you've got to read between    How about a set of 9-track media And a bright orange set of docs " You could really be Sys Admin baby$ If you just take 'em out of the box.3 Don't waste your money on those over-priced courses 2 You learn more from reading the microfiche sources, Next phase, new wave, Windows craze, anyways It's still VMS for me   ( What's the matter with the Compaq people* Don't you know that they're not too bright) You try to tell them what they need to do $ But I don't think they see the light( Don't you know about the new deal honey?1 All you need is Hewlett with a whole lot of money 3 It's the next phase, new wave, Linux craze, anyways  It's still VMS for me ) Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new Windows   Funny, but it's still VMS for me   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:03:56 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>J Subject: Re: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel* Message-ID: <3BB5FEFC.C90DAFB@bigfoot.com>  A This was the "first draft" (V1.0) so all suggestions are welcome.    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > You missed your calling... >  > Hamlyn Mootoo wrote: > >2* > > My apologies in advance to Billy Joel. > > 8 > > It's Still VMS For Me               By Hamlyn Mootoo > >o. > > What's the matter with the VAX I'm booting) > > Can't you tell that it's all but died - > > Maybe I should buy some old line printersi/ > > Move the tractors, the greenbar's too wide.C0 > > Where have you been hidin' out lately, Mikey >  > For the sake of rhyme:. > Where have you been hidin' out, Mikey honey? > : > > You can't kill the OS 'til you bleed it for more money- > > Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new Windows $ > > Funny, but it's still VMS for me
 > > [snip] >  > You missed your calling! > J > Does anyone still have the text of "BlueScreen"? (maybe I can find it on > Google...) > : > I think I'll start a web page of VMS-related parodies... >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/7   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:02:45 -0500m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> J Subject: Re: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel' Message-ID: <3BB5FEB5.A721B913@fsi.net>    You missed your calling...   Hamlyn Mootoo wrote: > ( > My apologies in advance to Billy Joel. > 6 > It's Still VMS For Me               By Hamlyn Mootoo > , > What's the matter with the VAX I'm booting' > Can't you tell that it's all but died + > Maybe I should buy some old line printers - > Move the tractors, the greenbar's too wide.l. > Where have you been hidin' out lately, Mikey   For the sake of rhyme:, Where have you been hidin' out, Mikey honey?  8 > You can't kill the OS 'til you bleed it for more money+ > Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new Windowsb" > Funny, but it's still VMS for me > [snip]   You missed your calling!  H Does anyone still have the text of "BlueScreen"? (maybe I can find it on
 Google...)  8 I think I'll start a web page of VMS-related parodies...   --   David J. Dachtera( dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:11:51 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>wJ Subject: Re: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel' Message-ID: <3BB600D7.2B44B5ED@fsi.net>w   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > [snip]J > Does anyone still have the text of "BlueScreen"? (maybe I can find it on > Google...)   Found it! For your enjoyment...d  4 More likely Bluescreen, a song using the melody from J. J. Cale's Cocaine    , They said just relax, it's as good as a VAX; bluescreen. , The work is all done, now save and have fun; bluescreen.e5 It goes down, It goes down, It goes down, bluescreen.6  1 My work is all fiz, all I got now is: bluescreen.f, Dr. Watson is here, his message ain't clear;
 bluescreen5 It goes down, It goes down, It goes down, bluescreen.t    , Hear all the moans, we need Sherlock Holmes; bluescreen.i4 Get off our backs, it sure ain't no VAX; bluescreen.5 It goes down, It goes down, It goes down, bluescreen.   5 It goes down, It goes down, It goes down, bluescreen.n     ===== ) Will Parcel, the Nations Largest Realtor.    --   David J. Dachterau dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Sep 2001 11:59:03 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>e" Subject: Re: VT emulation on Linux* Message-ID: <9p4d27$mvg$2@news1.Radix.Net>  & Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net> wrote: > Jeffrey H. Coffield wrote:  N >> Has anyone found a good (and free) VT emulation for Linux?  The best I haveO >> been able to find is Eterm but it has some bugs in switching between numeric   >> and application keypad modes.  ; > Try VMSterm at  http://www-personal.une.edu.au/~oahlefel/mK > I use it on my Linux box at home to connect to man VMS machines at work.   > Does great VT100 emulation.c  H it uses the translations resource to set several function keys (but that- won't make the numeric keypad work properly).I   --  = Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>t http://dickey.his.com, ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Sep 2001 06:33:09 GMT- From: Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu>a8 Subject: Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1?, Message-ID: <9p3pv5$ov1$2@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  = In comp.os.vms jason andrade <jason@azure.dstc.edu.au> wrote:e1 > Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com> writes:n       >>Graham Allan wrote:s >>> K >>> Worse than that, as we've been getting three year warranties on all ourH, >>> PC purchases for a long time now anyway   . >>What PC vendor is giving 3 year warranties ?   > apple.  (return to base)  G No, Apple sells its machines and monitors with one year warranties.  IttE is possible to find sellers who bundle the machines with a three yearuF AppleCare service agreement, that is basically a two year extension ofH the warranty for repairs.  The agreement is available as a separate item9 that can be purchased anytime during the warranty period.g   > dell.   (on site)V  O > a variety of local vendors offer a 3 year warranty now - some are RTB, otherse
 > are onsite.    > -jason   Joe Heimanno   heimann@ecs.umass.edus   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:01:26 +0200s  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>* Subject: Re: weird MRU/scsi robot problems+ Message-ID: <VA.00000464.23ea99f8@sture.ch>   J In article <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109271002310.1660-100000@ibmbox.vgersoft.com>,  Steve Thompson wrote:p( > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, John Nebel wrote: > 	 > > [...]eG > > Then  $ MCR SYSMAN IO CONNECT GKannn:/DRIVER=SYS$GKDRIVER/NOADAPTER  > >rH > > Setting the logical mru_robot /sys /exe in systartup_vms.com  helps. > L > I just wanted to point out that apparently you should not define MRU_ROBOTK > (or any other MRU_xxx logical name) in this way if you use ABS with MDMS. L > This is from the MDMS 3.0B release notes. I don't know what happens if youL > do have it defined; I did, and nothing bad seemed to happen (well, nothing# > out of the ordinary, anyway :-)).  >  Not just apparently.   $ HELP ROBOT LOGICAL  $                              CAUTIONE Define logical names only within the context of a user process if you D use any Compaq Storage Management Software product that includes the4 Media and Device Management Servies (MDMS) software.  E If you use MDMS software and define any of these logicals so they are @ set for any MDMS process (i.e. any group or system logical table@ accessible by MDMS, you could cause failures in MDMS operations.  	 <nitpick> & there's a missing parenthesis in there
 </nitpick>   ___h
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.542 ************************