1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 30 Sep 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 543       Contents:P Re: dir help ---%LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]NCS$LIBRARY.N Re: Elapsed Time for Batch Jobs  File security/// Re: File security/// Re: File security/// Re: File security///# GARTNER GROUP SAYS GET OFF IIS NOW!  Gateway Address question.  Re: Gateway Address question.  Re: Good bye VAX-6400's  Re: Good bye VAX-6400's G I WILL QUIT USING VMS WHEN THE MILITARY DOES - IN 2015 OR MAYBE LONGER! K Re: I WILL QUIT USING VMS WHEN THE MILITARY DOES - IN 2015 OR MAYBE LONGER!  imherited cluster help Re: imherited cluster help OpenVMS, Apache and hackers..." Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers..." Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers..." Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers..." Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers..." Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers..." Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers...5 OTHER OS'S CATCHING VMS?  WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING? ' Re: Point me in the right direction.... ' Re: Point me in the right direction.... ' Re: Point me in the right direction.... ' Re: Point me in the right direction.... ' Re: Point me in the right direction.... ' Re: Point me in the right direction.... ' Re: Point me in the right direction....  Recycling old HS* PCMCIA cards? ! Re: SuSE Linux Desupports ALPHA ? ! Re: SuSE Linux Desupports ALPHA ? ! Re: SuSE Linux Desupports ALPHA ?  Re: Text or FTN -> PDFA Re: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel A Re: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel 5 Re: VMScluster using fibrechannel and memory channel?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 04:59:05 +0000 (UTC) & From: dsf@frontiernet.net (Dan Foster)Y Subject: Re: dir help ---%LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]NCS$LIBRARY.N 5 Message-ID: <9p68qp$2g9a$1@node21.cwnet.roc.gblx.net>   & In article <3B95116A.CFDD1AD0@gmx.ch>,. Didier Morandi  <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> wrote: > I >1. All HP OpenVMS DCL command procedure lines should start with a dollar  >sign, even commented lines.   HP OpenVMS DCL?   F I don't think the merger has yet been closed yet... and at this stage,J it wouldn't necessarily be a sure thing that it'll go through. Not wishful, thinking, just saying 'could go either way'.  E Seems to me to be a little premature to refer to it by a new name. :)    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:20:42 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>( Subject: Re: Elapsed Time for Batch Jobs* Message-ID: <3BB63B29.2B6104B7@oracle.com>   Michael Power wrote: > : > Can anybody tell me a way to terminate a batch job after7 > a specified time period? I want to be able to do this ; > because periodically a batch job with $ COPY/FTP commands 6 > hangs due to network problems accessing a NT server. > < > I'm aware that I can limit the CPU time of a batch job but7 > this can vary depending on the time of day.  The only ? > method I've can think of is to SPAWN a subprocess with a WAIT C > which will terminate it's creator after the time specified in the  > WAIT command.   9 	that's exactly what I was going to suggest.  along these  lines:   $ wait nn:nn:nn  $ stop/id='f$getjpi("","owner")    >  > TIA, > Michael Power    --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 14:19:34 -0400 - From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>  Subject: File security/// - Message-ID: <3BB610B5.6FB3FC9C@bellsouth.net>   " What's wrong with  this picture...  G user smurf gets insufficient priv error on "$DIR" command... why?  I am 9 sure it is something that I have missed along the way....    Directory DRA0:[APACHE.HTDOCS]  B SMURF.DIR;1                     [SMURF]               (RWE,RWED,,)=           (IDENTIFIER=[APACHE$WWW],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE) @           (IDENTIFIER=WWWDOCS+[SMURF],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE)   sys$login: = WWW_USERS:[SMURF]C WWW_USERS = DRA0:[APACHE.HTDOCS.] /trans=(conceal,term)/system/exec    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 13:51:56 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: File security/// 3 Message-ID: <YuraWyvNbLO0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3BB610B5.6FB3FC9C@bellsouth.net>, Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> writes: $ > What's wrong with  this picture... > I > user smurf gets insufficient priv error on "$DIR" command... why?  I am ; > sure it is something that I have missed along the way....  >   > Directory DRA0:[APACHE.HTDOCS] > D > SMURF.DIR;1                     [SMURF]               (RWE,RWED,,)? >           (IDENTIFIER=[APACHE$WWW],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE) B >           (IDENTIFIER=WWWDOCS+[SMURF],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE) >   > sys$login: = WWW_USERS:[SMURF]E > WWW_USERS = DRA0:[APACHE.HTDOCS.] /trans=(conceal,term)/system/exec   ? Remember to check the protections on APACHE.DIR and HTDOCS.DIR. * DRA0: and 000000.DIR too, for that matter.  > Or did you already enable audit alarms to determine it was the. directory itself where the access was denies ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:56:58 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: File security/// ' Message-ID: <3BB643AA.3D955BE0@fsi.net>    Michael Austin wrote:  > $ > What's wrong with  this picture... > I > user smurf gets insufficient priv error on "$DIR" command... why?  I am ; > sure it is something that I have missed along the way....  >   > Directory DRA0:[APACHE.HTDOCS] > D > SMURF.DIR;1                     [SMURF]               (RWE,RWED,,)? >           (IDENTIFIER=[APACHE$WWW],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE) B >           (IDENTIFIER=WWWDOCS+[SMURF],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE) >   > sys$login: = WWW_USERS:[SMURF]E > WWW_USERS = DRA0:[APACHE.HTDOCS.] /trans=(conceal,term)/system/exec   E Insufficient data - cannot determine whether user SMURF has access to D the [APACHE.DOCS] path on volume DRA0:. Need to know protections andG ACLs of the volume and the directories in the path, and privileges held  by the process.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:57:03 -0400 - From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>  Subject: Re: File security/// + Message-ID: <3BB65FCE.94FC62@bellsouth.net>   C Found it..  Directory tree was given the following (additional) ACL   -           (IDENTIFIER=WWWDOCS,ACCESS=EXECUTE) H This way, they can get to their stuff without being able to see anything+ above.... I really like OpenVMS Security...     
 Thanks, Mike.    Michael Austin wrote:   $ > What's wrong with  this picture... > I > user smurf gets insufficient priv error on "$DIR" command... why?  I am ; > sure it is something that I have missed along the way....  >   > Directory DRA0:[APACHE.HTDOCS] > D > SMURF.DIR;1                     [SMURF]               (RWE,RWED,,)? >           (IDENTIFIER=[APACHE$WWW],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE) B >           (IDENTIFIER=WWWDOCS+[SMURF],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE) >   > sys$login: = WWW_USERS:[SMURF]E > WWW_USERS = DRA0:[APACHE.HTDOCS.] /trans=(conceal,term)/system/exec    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 21:03:45 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski), Subject: GARTNER GROUP SAYS GET OFF IIS NOW!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0109292003.732e9068@posting.google.com>   B ARTICLE ON THE ENQUIRER AND REGISTER READS THAT GARTNER GROUP SAYSD ABANDON IIS NOW ... AND LOOK FOR A MORE SECURE OS AND WEB SERVER ...  WELL I HAVE YOUR ANSWER ... VMS!   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 04:28:14 GMT 0 From: William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com>" Subject: Gateway Address question.+ Message-ID: <3BB69F5A.2C95BE11@mailbag.com>   
 Hello all,D This is probably an obvious thing, but I haven't had luck finding an answer.   D I have a Solaris box set up to do NAT with ipfilter. I've changed myB VLC's IP to 192.168.100.1 to fit the nat rules. But what do I tellD VMS/Dec TCPIP to use as a default gateway? Any pointers appreciated.   Thanks,  William  --  * You better watch out    What you wish for;+ It better be worth it   So much to die for. -                                 Courtney Love    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 06:56:05 +0200 2 From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de>& Subject: Re: Gateway Address question.+ Message-ID: <3BB6A5E5.7070207@arcormail.de>    Hi,   $ depending on the version of tcp use:  1 $ TCPIP SET ROUTE/GATE=192.168.100.1/DEFAULT  and 6 $ TCPIP SET ROUTE/GATE=192.168.100.1/DEFAULT/PERMANENT  2 For versions prior to V5 use UCX instead of TCPIP.  
 Good luck!   Thomas     William Barnett-Lewis wrote:  G  > Hello all, This is probably an obvious thing, but I haven't had luck   >  finding an answer.  >H  > I have a Solaris box set up to do NAT with ipfilter. I've changed my  VLC's H  >  IP to 192.168.100.1 to fit the nat rules. But what do I tell VMS/Dec@  >  TCPIP to use as a default gateway? Any pointers appreciated.  >  > Thanks, William  >     --  9 Thomas H. Pauli, Hammersteinstr.19, 14199 Berlin, Germany    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:30:45 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>   Subject: Re: Good bye VAX-6400's3 Message-ID: <3BB62F75.E53B7629@applied-synergy.com>    Jonathan Boswell wrote:  >  > Brian Tillman wrote:P > > got our first VAX in 1978 with, I think, VMS V2.0.  Our 11/725s are still in > > service. > R > Of all the VAXen I can think of, that strikes me as the LEAST desirable model toN > keep around.  Why on earth did you choose such a feeble-minded machine?  DidP > they also have that pathetically slow TU58 like the 750s?  You don't know painN > until you have to boot up stand-alone BACKUP from 6 of those little suckers. > (;-)    H It's even worse!  A 725/730 has a "hidden" TU58 that is used to load the
 microcode.  G First you have to boot the microcode, then you can boot the front TU58.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:51:54 +0100 & From: ChrisQ <lightwork@aerosys.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Good bye VAX-6400's- Message-ID: <3BB6427A.DE9FBD9E@aerosys.co.uk>    Chris Scheers wrote: >    > J > It's even worse!  A 725/730 has a "hidden" TU58 that is used to load the > microcode. > I > First you have to boot the microcode, then you can boot the front TU58.  >   M It does have a second TU58 on the side, but both the microcode and boot files L are on a single cassette and thus only a single cassette is needed for boot.N Bootstrap (BSD) is not that bad timewise and once it's running, the machine isL quite usable for interactive edits etc. The 725 is in fact a repackaged 730,( with fewer slots than the big box 730.    O Wasn't much of the early X development done on a 725 ?. I think the machine was N called a VS100 (Vaxstation 100) and used a unibus graphics card, maybe from anP external vendor like Evans & Sutherland. Anyone know anything about this ?. SomeC of the very early X distibutions make reference to this hardware.      Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 20:46:34 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)P Subject: I WILL QUIT USING VMS WHEN THE MILITARY DOES - IN 2015 OR MAYBE LONGER!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0109291946.256c80b1@posting.google.com>   E I AM TIRED OF READING THESE LAME BRAIN SO CALLED VMS USERS SAYING VMS D TIME IS COMING ... THAT OTHER OS'S ARE CATCHING UP ... WHAT OS'S AREE CATCHING UP???  UNIX IS A HACK CITY WISH I WAS VMS OS, AND SURELY YOU F DON'T MEAN WINDOWS??? I JUST SPENT 3 DAYS TRAINING ON WINDOWS ADVANCEDF SERVER 2000 AND IT CRASHED 3 TIMES WHILE IN CLASS!  GARTNER GROUP JUSTI PUT OUT A WARNING TO ABANDON IIS IMMEDIATELY!  I HAVE BEEN ON VMS NOW FOR F OVER 15 YEARS AND HAVE YET TO HAVE AN OS CRASH!  WINDOWS IS AND ALWAYSE WILL BE A CLIENT ... DAVE CUTLER HAS FAILED TO MAKE WINDOWS LIKE VMS! D GARTNER SAYS IIS IS HACK CITY AND NEEDS REWRITTEN AND THAT COMPANIESI WORRIED ABOUT SECURITY SHOULD LOOK AT NEW ALTERNATIVES ... WELL I ALREADY D AM ON THE MOST SECURE OS ON THE WORLD ... VMS ... MY COUSIN RECENTLYF WENT TO THE DEPT. OF DEFENSE TO SELL NETWORK PRODUCTS AND SAID VMS WASE ALL OVER THE PLACE ... IT HAS JUST WENT INTO THE JSTARS PLANE THAT IS F RIGHT NOW FLYING OVER AFGANISTAN ... THE MILITARY ISN'T STUPID ... ANDJ NEITHER AM I ... VMS WILL BE AROUND THRU 2015 AND MAYBE LONGER ... IT ALSOG IS THE BEST WEB SERVER AROUND ... AND ALL THESE IDIOTS ARE ON THIS SITE K SAYING SOON WE WILL HAVE TO PORT TO UNIX OR WINDOWS CAUSE THEY ARE CATCHING J UP?  HELLO!!!  WHAT HAVE THESE PEOPLE BEEN SMOKING?  YOU GO AHEAD AND PORTG TO WINDOWS AND IIS AND UNIX ... I WILL STICK WITH THE MILITARY AND STAY G ON VMS ... AND WE WILL SEE WHO GOES BALD FIRST!  SECURITY, RELIABILITY, G CLUSTERING ARE WHAT VMS IS ALL ABOUT, AND NO ONE IS GOING TO COME CLOSE  FOR A LONG LONG TIME!  PERIOD!   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Sep 2001 05:34:54 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) T Subject: Re: I WILL QUIT USING VMS WHEN THE MILITARY DOES - IN 2015 OR MAYBE LONGER!' Message-ID: <9p6atu$d4r$1@joe.rice.edu>   ) Bob Ceculski (bob@instantwhip.com) wrote: G : I AM TIRED OF READING THESE LAME BRAIN SO CALLED VMS USERS SAYING VMS F : TIME IS COMING ... THAT OTHER OS'S ARE CATCHING UP ... WHAT OS'S AREG : CATCHING UP???  UNIX IS A HACK CITY WISH I WAS VMS OS, AND SURELY YOU H : DON'T MEAN WINDOWS??? I JUST SPENT 3 DAYS TRAINING ON WINDOWS ADVANCEDH : SERVER 2000 AND IT CRASHED 3 TIMES WHILE IN CLASS!  GARTNER GROUP JUSTK : PUT OUT A WARNING TO ABANDON IIS IMMEDIATELY!  I HAVE BEEN ON VMS NOW FOR H : OVER 15 YEARS AND HAVE YET TO HAVE AN OS CRASH!  WINDOWS IS AND ALWAYSG : WILL BE A CLIENT ... DAVE CUTLER HAS FAILED TO MAKE WINDOWS LIKE VMS! F : GARTNER SAYS IIS IS HACK CITY AND NEEDS REWRITTEN AND THAT COMPANIESK : WORRIED ABOUT SECURITY SHOULD LOOK AT NEW ALTERNATIVES ... WELL I ALREADY F : AM ON THE MOST SECURE OS ON THE WORLD ... VMS ... MY COUSIN RECENTLYH : WENT TO THE DEPT. OF DEFENSE TO SELL NETWORK PRODUCTS AND SAID VMS WASG : ALL OVER THE PLACE ... IT HAS JUST WENT INTO THE JSTARS PLANE THAT IS H : RIGHT NOW FLYING OVER AFGANISTAN ... THE MILITARY ISN'T STUPID ... ANDL : NEITHER AM I ... VMS WILL BE AROUND THRU 2015 AND MAYBE LONGER ... IT ALSOI : IS THE BEST WEB SERVER AROUND ... AND ALL THESE IDIOTS ARE ON THIS SITE M : SAYING SOON WE WILL HAVE TO PORT TO UNIX OR WINDOWS CAUSE THEY ARE CATCHING L : UP?  HELLO!!!  WHAT HAVE THESE PEOPLE BEEN SMOKING?  YOU GO AHEAD AND PORTI : TO WINDOWS AND IIS AND UNIX ... I WILL STICK WITH THE MILITARY AND STAY I : ON VMS ... AND WE WILL SEE WHO GOES BALD FIRST!  SECURITY, RELIABILITY,   I : CLUSTERING ARE WHAT VMS IS ALL ABOUT, AND NO ONE IS GOING TO COME CLOSE   : FOR A LONG LONG TIME!  PERIOD!  J Welcome to comp.os.vms, Bob. For the most part, you won't find many peopleK in comp.os.vms who would argue that VMS is the premier operating system in  . the world. It also understands lower case <G>.  E But it suffers from lack of marketing, first by DEC, then Compaq, and F now HP. They preferred to spend their marketing budget on their WintelE Cartel offerings, trying to prove that they had something better than F Dell, Gateway, and IBM. Some people suspicion that one reason for lackD of marketing is fear of Microsoft. Compaq has trimmed their warrantyD down to one year. A local PC clone shop offers a life-time warranty:     http://www.golightspeed.com/  E One exception to military usage of VMS is the U.S. Navy's Smart Ship   program:  7   http://www.sciam.com/1998/1198issue/1198techbus2.html B   Scientific American: Technology and Business: Rough Sailing For    Smart Ships: November 1998  6   http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2.htm<   Software glitches leave Navy Smart Ship dead in the water   B The US Navy plans to automate a supercarrier using Windows 2000...  /   http://www.gcn.com/vol19_no27/dod/2868-1.html    Navy carrier to run Win 2000  F The reason you see people discuss porting FROM VMS to unix and WindowsD is because they like to eat. The number of VMS jobs available is wayH down, especially in Houston. You can check out VMS jobs in your area at:     http://openvms.monster.com/e  E One reason for the dearth of VMS jobs is that people have heeded the iE warnings of the Gartner Group and others who recommend abandoning VMSdC because it's going to die. Others have seen major applications like0D SAP and process control/scada moved from VMS to Wintel Cartel boxes.F And they're tired of begging DEC, then Compaq, to take their money forF VMS goods and services. Just call up your nearest Compaq sales critterG and try to get a quote for a VMS system. Chances are you'll be referred., to a channel like Pioneer-Standard or AVNet.  E The PHBs/MGMs have decreed that they want everything to be moved fromSH VMS to Wintel Cartel or unix systems. Now some of them are whining about) His Gatesness software license increases:i  4    http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7238508.html  .   "Microsoft customers balk at license changes    By Joe Wilcox    Staff Writer, CNET News.com$    September 20, 2001, 11:00 a.m. PT  /    What's the cost of little or no competition?C  H    For some Microsoft customers, it's paying as much as 107 percent more*    for the software they buy in volume..."  	 And from:T  4    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/21770.html6    Upgrade your MS software before 1 October - Gartner  "   "Posted: 20/09/2001 at 12:23 GMT  A    Businesses are being urged to upgrade Microsoft software by 30-H    September because MS is ditching its most widely used upgrade path on    1 October 2001..."U    F Don't ask how you can change the situation, because it seems Carly andE Curly aren't interested. Perhaps some journalists like Hiawatha Bray,DF Technology Reporter of the "Boston Globe" and Dwight Silverman of the ? "Houston Chronicle" could ask HP what the future holds for VMS.   E Don't be surprised if a large number of comp.os.vms find a total lacka= of credibility in any response concerning VMS from HP/Compaq.   G BTW, the latest from HP is that they've let go a large portion of their & team that ported HP-UX to Intel IA-64.    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)  F         "OpenVMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT v8.0 to be!"D            posted on www.openvms.digital.com on or about Sep 22,19981                            Quashed on Sep 23,1998m:            but saved on ftp://atlas.csd.net/pub/vms100.jpg   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 23:56:07 GMT: From: "ron" <ron@cyberping.com>  Subject: imherited cluster help 4 Message-ID: <rctt7.3331$bb7.87950@news.easynews.com>  ( I have inherited VMS and need some help.   I need to be able :a  3 rsh from one box to sever others boxes and do a set  of commands.  6 for security reasons I don't want to leave my username and password visible.t  H How can I setup something that prompts me once for user/pass then parses that to all the rsh commands.i   eg.' rsh box1 "sh users"i rsh box2 "sh users"  rsh box3 "sh users"t   Any help greatly appreciated.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 19:52:24 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: imherited cluster help 3 Message-ID: <EM60QKMGKwyj@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  V In article <rctt7.3331$bb7.87950@news.easynews.com>, "ron" <ron@cyberping.com> writes:* > I have inherited VMS and need some help. >  > I need to be able :C > 5 > rsh from one box to sever others boxes and do a sets > of commands.  @ Typically this is done not with rsh but with the SYSMAN utility.> SYSMAN requires OPER privilege, but I presume you have that if! you are in charge of the cluster.    	$ SET PROCESS/PRIVILEGE=OPER 
 	$ MCR SYSMAN)  1 	SYSMAN> SET ENVIRONMENT/NODE=(node1,node2,node3)E or if not in a clusterC 	SYSMAN> SET ENVIRONMENT/NODE=(node1,node2,node3)/PASSWORD=whateverW  $ 	SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOGICAL/FULL FOOBAR   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:59:50 -0400-- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> ' Subject: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers... - Message-ID: <3BB60C15.94A3B64D@bellsouth.net>r  A There were some recent threads on the security of OpenVMS.  While@B building my web-hosting service, after finally being able to use aE dynamic DNS service  for my ADSL/PPPoE connection, I discovered in mypH Apache access_log.; file over 21,000 attempts in the past 3 weeks to use3 some WINNT hacks to gain access to the system as he[1 laughed..."AH-HAHAHAAA.... no access for you!!!".   F I was at a major chemical company in August when the last really nastyC virus and it's offspring were hitting...  I informed them that they,H could solve ALL of the issues by running OpenVMS/Apache as their primary. web servers.  But, alas, they never listen....   Michael Austin0 First DBA Source, Inc. -- www.firstdbasource.comE www.spacelots.com -- a Web Hosting Service...coming soon to a browseru near you...l   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 20:34:12 +0300a* From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers...r* Message-ID: <3BB60614.2040409@tzora.co.il>   Michael Austin wrote:e <...snipped...>g   > I discovered in myJ > Apache access_log.; file over 21,000 attempts in the past 3 weeks to use5 > some WINNT hacks to gain access to the system as heD3 > laughed..."AH-HAHAHAAA.... no access for you!!!".a    ; I found over 33,000 in one day, on Apache running on a DEC H 3000-500  E - No signs of breakin found. Still getting some ..default.ida?XXXX...    accesses, too.     ~Mike$     -- SE ---------------------------------------------------------------------R; Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not W
 even that.? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*c/ Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice a (home):(972)-2-99083377    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes d another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------o* ------ GEEK CODE BLOCK (Version: 3.1)-----( GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++' N++ K? w--- V+++$ PS+ PE-- t X- tv-- b+/ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@-* ---------- END GEEK CODE BLOCK  ----------   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 13:52:41 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)D+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers...t3 Message-ID: <P$SxFQ1AUaN9@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  ] In article <3BB60C15.94A3B64D@bellsouth.net>, Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> writes:iC > There were some recent threads on the security of OpenVMS.  WhileuD > building my web-hosting service, after finally being able to use aG > dynamic DNS service  for my ADSL/PPPoE connection, I discovered in mynJ > Apache access_log.; file over 21,000 attempts in the past 3 weeks to use5 > some WINNT hacks to gain access to the system as he 3 > laughed..."AH-HAHAHAAA.... no access for you!!!".  > H > I was at a major chemical company in August when the last really nastyE > virus and it's offspring were hitting...  I informed them that theyTJ > could solve ALL of the issues by running OpenVMS/Apache as their primary0 > web servers.  But, alas, they never listen....  G Perhaps they will next time, because you will have a copy of an articlew% about the Gartner advice against IIS.R   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:51:43 -0500t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>I+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers...I' Message-ID: <3BB6426F.C1281FB3@fsi.net>N   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > _ > In article <3BB60C15.94A3B64D@bellsouth.net>, Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> writes:rE > > There were some recent threads on the security of OpenVMS.  WhilesF > > building my web-hosting service, after finally being able to use aI > > dynamic DNS service  for my ADSL/PPPoE connection, I discovered in myrL > > Apache access_log.; file over 21,000 attempts in the past 3 weeks to use7 > > some WINNT hacks to gain access to the system as he 5 > > laughed..."AH-HAHAHAAA.... no access for you!!!".p > >rJ > > I was at a major chemical company in August when the last really nastyG > > virus and it's offspring were hitting...  I informed them that they L > > could solve ALL of the issues by running OpenVMS/Apache as their primary2 > > web servers.  But, alas, they never listen.... > I > Perhaps they will next time, because you will have a copy of an articleD' > about the Gartner advice against IIS.   	 <tantrum> F NO! NO! NO! I WANT MY NT! I DON'T CARE HOW MANY VIRUSES THEY WRITE, OR) HOW MANY TIMES I GET HIT, I WANT MY NT!!!0   WAAAHH!!! WAAAHH!!!   H MOMMY!!! MOMMY!!! THE BAD MAN WANTS TO TAKE AWAY MY POINTY-CLICKY TOY!!!   WAAHHH!!! WAAHHH!!!i
 </tantrum>   -- o David J. Dachterab dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 16:46:31 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)I+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers...p3 Message-ID: <d3$FtMx9BmXD@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  [ In article <3BB6426F.C1281FB3@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> 0` >> In article <3BB60C15.94A3B64D@bellsouth.net>, Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> writes:F >> > There were some recent threads on the security of OpenVMS.  WhileG >> > building my web-hosting service, after finally being able to use aVJ >> > dynamic DNS service  for my ADSL/PPPoE connection, I discovered in myM >> > Apache access_log.; file over 21,000 attempts in the past 3 weeks to useh8 >> > some WINNT hacks to gain access to the system as he6 >> > laughed..."AH-HAHAHAAA.... no access for you!!!". >> >K >> > I was at a major chemical company in August when the last really nasty H >> > virus and it's offspring were hitting...  I informed them that theyM >> > could solve ALL of the issues by running OpenVMS/Apache as their primarym3 >> > web servers.  But, alas, they never listen....- >> -J >> Perhaps they will next time, because you will have a copy of an article( >> about the Gartner advice against IIS. >  > <tantrum>tH > NO! NO! NO! I WANT MY NT! I DON'T CARE HOW MANY VIRUSES THEY WRITE, OR+ > HOW MANY TIMES I GET HIT, I WANT MY NT!!!: >  > WAAAHH!!! WAAAHH!!!  > J > MOMMY!!! MOMMY!!! THE BAD MAN WANTS TO TAKE AWAY MY POINTY-CLICKY TOY!!! >  > WAAHHH!!! WAAHHH!!!  > </tantrum>   Obviously written by a   	Minesweeper 	Consultant 
 	Solitaire 	Expert     concerned about job security :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:12:56 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers...n' Message-ID: <3BB64768.CD345322@fsi.net>t   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3BB6426F.C1281FB3@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:r > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >>b > >> In article <3BB60C15.94A3B64D@bellsouth.net>, Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> writes:H > >> > There were some recent threads on the security of OpenVMS.  WhileI > >> > building my web-hosting service, after finally being able to use aEL > >> > dynamic DNS service  for my ADSL/PPPoE connection, I discovered in myO > >> > Apache access_log.; file over 21,000 attempts in the past 3 weeks to use-: > >> > some WINNT hacks to gain access to the system as he8 > >> > laughed..."AH-HAHAHAAA.... no access for you!!!". > >> >M > >> > I was at a major chemical company in August when the last really nasty6J > >> > virus and it's offspring were hitting...  I informed them that theyO > >> > could solve ALL of the issues by running OpenVMS/Apache as their primary.5 > >> > web servers.  But, alas, they never listen....I > >>L > >> Perhaps they will next time, because you will have a copy of an article* > >> about the Gartner advice against IIS. > >3
 > > <tantrum> J > > NO! NO! NO! I WANT MY NT! I DON'T CARE HOW MANY VIRUSES THEY WRITE, OR- > > HOW MANY TIMES I GET HIT, I WANT MY NT!!!A > >T > > WAAAHH!!! WAAAHH!!!N > >IL > > MOMMY!!! MOMMY!!! THE BAD MAN WANTS TO TAKE AWAY MY POINTY-CLICKY TOY!!! > >  > > WAAHHH!!! WAAHHH!!!K > > </tantrum> >  > Obviously written by a >  >         MinesweeperL >         Consultant >         SolitaireD >         Expert > " > concerned about job security :-)   Uccelent, Dude!T   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsU http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/O   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:41:09 -0700I/ From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@msn.com>R+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers....+ Message-ID: <u2sNeAUSBHA.1760@cpimsnntpa03>I  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3BB6426F.C1281FB3@fsi.net...T > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >G@ > > In article <3BB60C15.94A3B64D@bellsouth.net>, Michael Austin  <miaustin@bellsouth.net> writes: > <tantrum>LH > NO! NO! NO! I WANT MY NT! I DON'T CARE HOW MANY VIRUSES THEY WRITE, OR+ > HOW MANY TIMES I GET HIT, I WANT MY NT!!!L >  > WAAAHH!!! WAAAHH!!!  >RJ > MOMMY!!! MOMMY!!! THE BAD MAN WANTS TO TAKE AWAY MY POINTY-CLICKY TOY!!! >  > WAAHHH!!! WAAHHH!!!e > </tantrum>  ) So ah - David - what do you REALLY think?I   > -- > David J. DachteraE > dba DJE SystemsD > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/A   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 21:21:27 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)> Subject: OTHER OS'S CATCHING VMS?  WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0109292021.54b558a9@posting.google.com>G  ( GARTNER CALLS FOR ABANDONMENT OF IIS ...E WINDOWS ADVANCED SERVER 2000 CRASHES 3 TIMES IN 3 DAYS WHILE TRAINING 	 ON IT ...I* WINDOWS XP SAID FULL OF SECURITY HOLES ...  UNIX SECURITY PATCHES ABOUND ...? AND IN THE MEAN TIME I SLEEP WELL AT NIGHTS WHILE MY SOON TO BEDA OUT OF DATE LEGACY VMS SYSTEMS JUST MARCH ALONG ... FIFTEEN YEARSS? NOW WITHOUT AN OS CRASH ... WEB SERVER UP 7 MONTHS STRAIGHT ...B, WHILE NIMBA TRIES TO HIT VMS I JUST YAWN ...  B AND I AM GOING TO PORT SOON TO WINDOWS OR UNIX?  I DON'T THINK SO!- AND NEITHER DOES THE MILITARY THANK GOODNESS!FE WINDOWS WILL ALWAYS BE A CLIENT ... CUTLER HAS FAILED TO TURN WINDOWS.A INTO VMS ... YOU GO AHEAD AND PORT OFF THE ONLY SECURE AND STABLEG@ OS AROUND ... ME AND THE MILITARY, WE'LL JUST SET BACK AND WATCH YOU LOSE YOUR HAIR!A  
 A POEM ...  & WHAT IDIOTS DO WORK IN THE WORLD OF IT' EXCEPT FOR THOSE WHO USE VMS REGULARLY!D% PORT OFF OF IT AND SOON YOU WILL FAREE$ WITHOUT YOUR JOB AND ALSO YOUR HAIR!  = GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR WINDOWS IIS UNIX PORT ... YOU'LL NEED IT!  LOTS OF IT!    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 13:01:22 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)D0 Subject: Re: Point me in the right direction....3 Message-ID: <vrpIkcLgmadO@eisner.encompasserve.org>N  N In article <3BB5E33E.3ACC12A@austin.rr.com>, Robin <rlb@austin.rr.com> writes:D > Is it possible to restrict Telnet and FTP access via IP address on > an > OpenVMS 7.3 Alphaserver?  % 	Absolutely.  Tell us which IP stack?   * 	In Multinet (best there is , by the way):   	$ multinet config/servera 	SERVER-CONFIG> select telnetp 	SERVER-CONFIG> set reject-net  A 	You can do the same for ftp.  You can also reject specific hostsr 	with reject-host.   	For TCPIP services:   	TCPIP> help set service/rejecte  ) 	Not as sweet as Multinet, in my opinion.f   				Robi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 20:43:24 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)0 Subject: Re: Point me in the right direction....; Message-ID: <3bb6164c.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>a    Robin (rlb@austin.rr.com) wrote:D > Is it possible to restrict Telnet and FTP access via IP address on > an OpenVMS 7.3 Alphaserver?r   Assuming Compaq TCP/IP, seep-   TCPIP> HELP SET SERVICE /ACCEPT and /REJECTm   Hope it helps,   Martin -- SG                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmeri4 Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK the Borg have proper       |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/p; networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.dee   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:33:13 -0400y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 0 Subject: Re: Point me in the right direction...., Message-ID: <3BB63E0E.3B324016@videotron.ca>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:F > > Is it possible to restrict Telnet and FTP access via IP address on > > an OpenVMS 7.3 Alphaserver?s >  > Assuming Compaq TCP/IP, seen/ >   TCPIP> HELP SET SERVICE /ACCEPT and /REJECTC  M Does TCPIP$CONFIG.COM use the same configuration files as the TCPIP> utility,f or are they separate ?  N In other words, if you use TCPIP> to change settings, will they be overwrittenI the next time someone runs TCPIP$CONFIG, or will TCPIP$CONFIG reflect thea3 changes that you had made with the TCPIP> utility ?w   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 20:54:19 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)e0 Subject: Re: Point me in the right direction....3 Message-ID: <o0E5WzT4RSrb@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  \ In article <3BB63E0E.3B324016@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Martin Vorlaender wrote:G >> > Is it possible to restrict Telnet and FTP access via IP address ons  >> > an OpenVMS 7.3 Alphaserver? >> 0 >> Assuming Compaq TCP/IP, see0 >>   TCPIP> HELP SET SERVICE /ACCEPT and /REJECT > O > Does TCPIP$CONFIG.COM use the same configuration files as the TCPIP> utility,O > or are they separate ? > P > In other words, if you use TCPIP> to change settings, will they be overwrittenK > the next time someone runs TCPIP$CONFIG, or will TCPIP$CONFIG reflect thee5 > changes that you had made with the TCPIP> utility ?   @ 	Without looking... I'd say the TCPIP> changes must stick.  WhenA 	you exit multinet it lets you know you wrote out new changes andy# 	of course must restart the server:w   		$ @multinet:start_server  < 	I'd consider having to edit TCP$CONFIG not a good thing and 	prone to error.   				Robu   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 21:12:04 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)l0 Subject: Re: Point me in the right direction....3 Message-ID: <p5U+kHIkdmX7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <o0E5WzT4RSrb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:w^ > In article <3BB63E0E.3B324016@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >> Martin Vorlaender wrote: H >>> > Is it possible to restrict Telnet and FTP access via IP address on! >>> > an OpenVMS 7.3 Alphaserver?- >>>  >>> Assuming Compaq TCP/IP, see61 >>>   TCPIP> HELP SET SERVICE /ACCEPT and /REJECT: >> rP >> Does TCPIP$CONFIG.COM use the same configuration files as the TCPIP> utility, >> or are they separate ?e >> .Q >> In other words, if you use TCPIP> to change settings, will they be overwrittenfL >> the next time someone runs TCPIP$CONFIG, or will TCPIP$CONFIG reflect the6 >> changes that you had made with the TCPIP> utility ? > B > 	Without looking... I'd say the TCPIP> changes must stick.  WhenC > 	you exit multinet it lets you know you wrote out new changes and % > 	of course must restart the server:- >  > 		$ @multinet:start_server > > > 	I'd consider having to edit TCP$CONFIG not a good thing and > 	prone to error. >   4 	Never mind... not hand edit but running TCP$CONFIG.   				Robr   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 04:55:13 +0200@2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)0 Subject: Re: Point me in the right direction....; Message-ID: <3bb68991.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>m  . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote: > Martin Vorlaender wrote:H > > > Is it possible to restrict Telnet and FTP access via IP address on! > > > an OpenVMS 7.3 Alphaserver?O > >  > > Assuming Compaq TCP/IP, see 1 > >   TCPIP> HELP SET SERVICE /ACCEPT and /REJECT  >iF > Does TCPIP$CONFIG.COM use the same configuration files as the TCPIP>! > utility, or are they separate ?W  L AFAIK, there's only one set of configuration file (SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$*.DAT),4 of which TCPIP$CONFIG.COM also gets its information.  D > In other words, if you use TCPIP> to change settings, will they beK > overwritten the next time someone runs TCPIP$CONFIG, or will TCPIP$CONFIGyA > reflect the changes that you had made with the TCPIP> utility ?y  B If it were like that, it would be a rather useless config utility, wouldn't it?   cu,p   Martin -- _G                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmerc4  UNIX is user friendly.    | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  It's just selective about |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ ;  who its friends are.      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.deg   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 01:55:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 0 Subject: Re: Point me in the right direction...., Message-ID: <3BB6B3AB.6AC15F21@videotron.ca>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:D > If it were like that, it would be a rather useless config utility, > wouldn't it?    K I asked because of the "problems" of AUTOGEN and SYSGEN not having the sameaL config files (eg: a change in SYSGEN gets overwritten by AUTOGEN which takes" it parameters from MODPARAMS.DAT).  H Seems they did it "right" for the TCPIP stuff with all of the parameters stored in one location then.  ; (I realise that autogen does more than just set parameters)a   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 20:36:40 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)h( Subject: Recycling old HS* PCMCIA cards?3 Message-ID: <6wGKhHPvt0xu@eisner.encompasserve.org>?  K While cleaning up the storage pile inthe back of the data center yesterday,-H I found a large stack of old HSJ, HSZ, HSG, and maybe even an HSD PCMCIAI firmware card. IIRC DEC used to ask for the return of old cards, but with > the last version(s) didn't do so. Some of them are pretty old.  D I assume they're something like EEPROM inside. Are these cards of anK alternate use? Can they be reprogrammed or recycled for anything useful? Or- are they all trash?-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:10:42 GMT:. From: brown_du@eisner.decus.org (Duncan Brown)* Subject: Re: SuSE Linux Desupports ALPHA ?8 Message-ID: <3bb64405.26713646@news.directvinternet.com>  0 On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:50:56 -0500, Duncan Brown" <brown_du@eisner.decus.org> wrote:  I >same will be true of Tru64.  So Linux it is.  And from what I've seen of-H >it so far it's not at all a bad personal O/S.  No idea if it's ready toC >take on the tasks I used to ask of Digital Unix (business-critical 9 >server stuff) but I could guess the answer is "not yet.".  C Wow, I think I can answer this now.  BLECH.  Do people actually useo Linux for servers?  > We've been trying to connect to this box with the VXTs.  Three possible results:i    -- Hangs the Linux box *forever*F -- Hangs the Linux box for somewhere between 2 and 15 minutes (!!) and2 eventually comes up (Gnome does; KDE always fails)E -- Tries but then fails for no obvious reason (sometimes also hangingy the Linux box)  C This is a dual processor AlphaServer 4100 with half a Gig of memory ? for goodness sake!  It can't handle running X locally and *one*y? remotely at the same time?!  (It actually frequently crashes ifyA someone telnets in remotely while it's running X locally, too...)   C The other identically configured AS4100 running VMS has no problemsaE with this (duh) but I was doing just fine when the VMS box was a poor.D little AXP150!  Running X apps locally, plus two VXTs running Flight on it and it ran like a champ.  @ So it's a dandy little personal computer with Linux (if somewhatF overpowered for that task!) but the minute we ask it to do server typeC stuff it falls all to pieces.  Maybe it's time to check out the BSDuE install...good thing this RedHat setup was on sale for $29 instead ofy the usual $99!   Duncan   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:47:51 -0500e4 From: "Brett I. Holcomb" <bholcomb@r777cableone.net>* Subject: Re: SuSE Linux Desupports ALPHA ?/ Message-ID: <trcjp3p42dmke9@corp.supernews.com>r  F What version of RH?  I know 7.0 was bleeding edge in that they used a - compiler that wasn't supposed to be released.g     Duncan Brown wrote:m   > B > So it's a dandy little personal computer with Linux (if somewhatH > overpowered for that task!) but the minute we ask it to do server typeE > stuff it falls all to pieces.  Maybe it's time to check out the BSD G > install...good thing this RedHat setup was on sale for $29 instead of  > the usual $99! >  > Duncan   --   Brett I. Holcomb bholcomb@R777cableone.netH
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 AKA Grunt <><! Remove R777 to email   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:52:01 GMTH. From: brown_du@eisner.decus.org (Duncan Brown)* Subject: Re: SuSE Linux Desupports ALPHA ?8 Message-ID: <3bb65073.29888783@news.directvinternet.com>  6 On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:47:51 -0500, "Brett I. Holcomb"" <bholcomb@r777cableone.net> wrote:  G >What version of RH?  I know 7.0 was bleeding edge in that they used a p. >compiler that wasn't supposed to be released.  : 7.1, recently purchased through Compaq's special $29 deal.   Duncan   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 16:15:34 -0700+ From: chris_doran@my-deja.com (Chris Doran)D Subject: Re: Text or FTN -> PDFm= Message-ID: <b5f3f0d8.0109291515.35bc1070@posting.google.com>e  a "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com> wrote in message news:<Ps7t7.135834$K6.62061093@news2>...eF > Is there a converter(s) that will take a text file (Fortran carriage& > control) file and convert it to PDF?  < TXT2PDF: http://www.planetpdf.com/mainpage.asp?WebPageID=156  > This gives what I suspect is an early PDF file format which isA acceptable to the real Acrobat reader, but not to some others. It C works on VMS (use DEFINE/USER to redirect stdin/stdout to files). IdE assume that compiled/linked with DEC C it will handle FORTRAN CC, buts I haven't tried it.s  2 For other converters, and lots of refs to PDP. see http://www.sanface.com/y   Chriss   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:15:21 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) J Subject: Re: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel0 Message-ID: <00A02C92.C880A15D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <3BB600D7.2B44B5ED@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:O >"David J. Dachtera" wrote:H	 >> [snip]HK >> Does anyone still have the text of "BlueScreen"? (maybe I can find it onS
 >> Google...)r >   >Found it! For your enjoyment... > 5 >More likely Bluescreen, a song using the melody from1 >J. J. Cale's Cocaine  >v >J- >They said just relax, it's as good as a VAX;R >bluescreen.- >The work is all done, now save and have fun;4 >bluescreen.6 >It goes down, It goes down, It goes down, bluescreen. >12 >My work is all fiz, all I got now is: bluescreen.- >Dr. Watson is here, his message ain't clear;> >bluescreeni6 >It goes down, It goes down, It goes down, bluescreen. >s >@- >Hear all the moans, we need Sherlock Holmes;r >bluescreen.5 >Get off our backs, it sure ain't no VAX; bluescreen.w6 >It goes down, It goes down, It goes down, bluescreen. >>6 >It goes down, It goes down, It goes down, bluescreen.  J Hmmm...  Perhaps, in my copious free time, I can convert this and Hamlyn's parody to DECtalk songs. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM.             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & HobbesI   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:29:40 -0400p0 From: "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com>J Subject: Re: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel/ Message-ID: <trcstnoc9falfa@news.supernews.com>>  J You should be working for Compaq's advertising firm - I am sure they would do better then...' DT   -- David Turner   We sell Alpha systems & partsS http://www.islandco.com! sales@islandco.com Island Computers US Corp.O 2700 Gregory StreetA Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622K Fax: 912 201 0096  ICQ#: 130698221!H Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A02C92.C880A15D@SendSpamHere.ORG...= > In article <3BB600D7.2B44B5ED@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:. > >"David J. Dachtera" wrote:t > >> [snip]yJ > >> Does anyone still have the text of "BlueScreen"? (maybe I can find it on > >> Google...)- > >-" > >Found it! For your enjoyment... > >17 > >More likely Bluescreen, a song using the melody fromn > >J. J. Cale's CocaineV > >p > >a/ > >They said just relax, it's as good as a VAX;m > >bluescreen./ > >The work is all done, now save and have fun;n > >bluescreen.8 > >It goes down, It goes down, It goes down, bluescreen. > > 4 > >My work is all fiz, all I got now is: bluescreen./ > >Dr. Watson is here, his message ain't clear;n
 > >bluescreenO8 > >It goes down, It goes down, It goes down, bluescreen. > >R > >O/ > >Hear all the moans, we need Sherlock Holmes;A > >bluescreen.7 > >Get off our backs, it sure ain't no VAX; bluescreen.Y8 > >It goes down, It goes down, It goes down, bluescreen. > >u8 > >It goes down, It goes down, It goes down, bluescreen. >aL > Hmmm...  Perhaps, in my copious free time, I can convert this and Hamlyn's > parody to DECtalk songs. > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >pK >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fieryRK >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes9 >1   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2001 20:30:52 -05009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)S> Subject: Re: VMScluster using fibrechannel and memory channel?3 Message-ID: <YtZEq035Lfh2@eisner.encompasserve.org>E  T In article <3BB4667A.BA94456B@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:E > Another issue to think of is that with large partitions comes largeV > cluster sizes. > E > Before you say "7.2", think of the fragmentation. Rounded sizes forTH > clusters (not too big, not too small) helps the issue, as well as wiseC > selections for extend quanitities, and you can tackle most of theH    L Already visited this one. I discovered a very abusive production applicationK creating hundreds of thousands of files in one directory, all starting withHI the sam few characters! And they wonde why it's slow! The disk is already J WELL over a million files and growing. While I'mm hitting the APPDEV folksE over the head with a 2x4, I'm dealing with the mess they created. ButIG without the 7.2 improvements, I'd be dead in the water a long time ago.-  I BTW, Diskeeper had fun with this disk. Just running the report took aboutvK six HOURS! Seems when the number of free fragments exceeds some number, the-L report takes a lllllloooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnggggggg time. I workedL with their support folks to tweak several parameters for this disk to get it< defragging better. it's held its own for almost 2 years now.    G > I've not seen any performance studies based on "default" cluster sizetF > versus smaller cluster sizes, but with more files in more space, youG > have more oportunity for more extents, more multi headers, and biggerfI > and more fragmented indexes. The speed of the drives just helps you gets0 > there faster. I'd like to hear other opinions. > H > I have seen situations where, using default cluster sizes, the overallF > increase in storage has resulted in lower storage efficiency, so low@ > that the benefit of larger drives have been all but wiped out.  H Sounds like you should partition and BAND your disks. Split an 18G driveC into a pair of 9G disks. use the OUTSIDE (dirst) partition for yourlJ performance sensitive data. Or better yet, use the first 9G of a 36G drive and get even better results.  B > In working the optimum cluster size, someone wrote a program (orI > something) in Ingres to calculate it. It allowed us to pick the "right"mF > cluster size and set up partitions and volume structures to the dataI > requirements. Unfortunately I've no way of getting that into the publicgH > domain, but if you're looking for a little freeware project, a clusterG > sizes versus file size analysis tool with 'what if' would be nice :-)e  J Years ago, I learned to set cluster sizes based on the MEDIAN file size onJ the volume. IIRC it was the late Cliff Fischer (DEC and when I met him MTIK engineer) who taught me this technique. Most defraggers offer a free reportOI utility (to convince you to buy the product) that will show # of files ofLL each size. If most of your files are 8 blocks, don't set the cluster size to
 2, or to 100.a   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.543 ************************