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 Re: Backup Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?  Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?  Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit? - Re: DLT IV Tapes - How long should they last?   Re: DNPG and HP Network Products' Re: GARTNER GROUP SAYS GET OFF IIS NOW! 2 Re: Gartner: The Future of Server (incld. OpenVMS)2 Re: Gartner: The Future of Server (incld. OpenVMS) Re: Good bye VAX-6400's C Re: I WILL QUIT USING VMS WHEN THE MILITARY DOES - IN 2015 OR MAYBE K Re: I WILL QUIT USING VMS WHEN THE MILITARY DOES - IN 2015 OR MAYBE LONGER! P Re: I WILL QUIT USING VMS WHEN THE MILITARY DOES - IN 2015 OR MAYBE LONGER! LONG# Re: NETSCAPE 6(.1)NEXT on OpenVMS ? " Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers...! OpenVMS, Purveyor and hackers ...   Re: Performce of Java on OpenVMS' Re: Point me in the right direction.... # Re: Recycling old HS* PCMCIA cards? 0 Re: remove  DQA0 drivers (EIDE disks) from VMS ?# Re: Searching CDA$READ_ANAlYSIS.EXE A Re: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel  Re: VAX DOCUMENT/ Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:24:30 +0200 B From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg?= Herrmann <Joerg.Herrmann@oracle.com> Subject: Re: Backup * Message-ID: <3BB6E4CE.56F90CD3@oracle.com>  3 Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. & --------------FEA21F5C71C82345C5FBFA1E, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit    Hi, C it was possible with rmt " remote mount " over TCP/IP ( included in " TCPWARE ver. 5.1),but it was slow.F ( to all others, it is usefull for a test system without any BA350 andG hot plug tape drives, and yes, I know to restore by booting as satelite  into a cluster, It is VMS)= But bad news: I did not found the rmt command in UCX or TCPIP    reg Jrg   "Hoogenboom, Martin" schrieb:    > Hi,  >  > I have a simple question: D > Is it possible to backup a disk from one system, across a network,- > to a tape unit connecte to another system ? 0 > If yes, how what needs to run on the systems ? > = > Both systems are standalone Alpha's running OpenVMS 7.2-1H1  >  > TIA, > Martin Hoogenboom   & --------------FEA21F5C71C82345C5FBFA1E- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="Joerg.Herrmann.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 3 Content-Description: Visitenkarte fr Jrg Herrmann   Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="Joerg.Herrmann.vcf"   begin:vcard  n:Herrmann;Jrg  tel;fax:+49 6103 397 105 tel;work:+49 6103 397 218  x-mozilla-html:TRUE  url:http://WWW.ORACLE.DE) org:ORACLE Deutschland GmbH;Field Support D adr:;;Robert-Bosch-Strae 5;Dreieich-Sprendlingen;;63303;Deutschland version:2.1 % email;internet:Jherrman@de.oracle.com  title:Systemberater  fn:Jrg Herrmann	 end:vcard   ( --------------FEA21F5C71C82345C5FBFA1E--   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:57:23 +0100 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> ( Subject: Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?6 Message-ID: <3BB716B3.427D9654@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   Bob Kaplow wrote:  > b > In article <u4lrptk2ikvcct6etosv33q1gtvkt9rg2p@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:G > > Perhaps the mistake we made was in not addressing communications to G > > Compaq founder Ben Rosen. According to the Wall Street Journal he's B > > the real driver behind all of this which is probably why CurlyH > > mentioned that he had talked this over with Ben Rosen in his memo toG > > staff. If so he's been made to carry the can. In any case Curly and F > > Rosey seem to be contradicting each other. Rosey also told the WSJG > > that this deal would go through come what may. Anyone know off-hand ' > > what percentage of shares he holds?  > K > If it's significant, it's listed in the annual report, or in SEC filings.   G A friend commented to me a couple of weeks back that he didn't see what F either company wanted out of the deal and especially didn't understand3 what Compaq would want with anything to do with HP.   G My own personal view is that the deal allows Compaq to gain significant E assistance in porting stuff to IPF.  HP have gone through many cycles H already (one would assume) and can transfer that knowledge to the Compaq& teams for assistance with VMS and NSK.  H The combined market shares of Tru64 and HP-UX might make the Unix streamG more capable of competing with Sun which would also be of use (provided C that too many customers don't jump ship to Slowaris in the meantime  anyway).  F The man on the street probably views HP as a printer company.  I'm notB sure how this fits Curly's plan of turning Compaq into a solutions@ company within 180 days.  We know it's not easy to shrug off theH preconceived ideas of Joe Public, IT Manager, from the (too) widely held" view that Compaq are a PC company.  G What I still find less easy to see (probably because my awareness of HP G as a company is not as great as it should be) is what HP get out of the C deal.  Maybe they want the PC server business?  Maybe they want the ; Services business (does that sound familiar anyone???  :-))   G Or maybe it's all true that Curly and Carly think that they can take on # IBM with their winning combination?      --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Sep 2001 12:30:41 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) ( Subject: Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?' Message-ID: <9p739h$693$1@joe.rice.edu>   2 Steve Reece (SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk) wrote: : I : My own personal view is that the deal allows Compaq to gain significant G : assistance in porting stuff to IPF.  HP have gone through many cycles J : already (one would assume) and can transfer that knowledge to the Compaq( : teams for assistance with VMS and NSK. :   D HP is cutting most of its HP-UX gurus who worked on the HPUX port to the Intel IA-64 chip, per:  1   http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid= B   %7B5CF30A4C%2DFDDA%2D4F49%2DAEC5%2DC0ABB88DD257%7D&siteid=3Dmktw   (URL wrapped to two lines)  : That confirms The Inquirer's story from earlier this week:  *    http://www.theinquirer.net/24090103.htm  *   "HP New York layoffs announced tomorrow?     170 Unix boffins under threat  ,    By Andrew Thomas, 24/09/2001 12:34:24 BST  H    As we reported last week, all is not sweetness and light at HPQ these    days.  G    HP has a lab in suburban NY with about 175 staff, of which 125 or so G    have spent the last two years doing most of the work to get HP-UX to C    work on Intel's 64 bit Itanic. Now it looks very much as if it's      curtains for the lot of them.  D    More than half of the staff has been working on Unix for up to 20A    years or longer, having come from AT&T Bell Labs, Unix Systems H    Laboratories and Novell. Many of the engineers joined HP back in 19964    when Novell sold the UnixWare product to SCO...."  E That sure seems an odd group to whack if HPUX/IA64 is the future unix  of the merged HP/Compaq.  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:51:25 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>( Subject: Re: Ben Rosen the real culprit?= Message-ID: <1cHt7.52600$vq.10254596@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   > "Steve Reece" <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> wrote in message0 news:3BB716B3.427D9654@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk...   > I > What I still find less easy to see (probably because my awareness of HP I > as a company is not as great as it should be) is what HP get out of the E > deal.  Maybe they want the PC server business?  Maybe they want the = > Services business (does that sound familiar anyone???  :-))   I Yep, they for sure want the services. They definitely want to boost their L Unix market share from ~25 percent to perhaps 30-32 percent which is what'llJ happen when the Tru64 base gets mixed in. They might also be interested inK CPQ's high-end systems expertise; SuperDome hasn't exactly set the world on  fire.    > I > Or maybe it's all true that Curly and Carly think that they can take on % > IBM with their winning combination?  >   E I've only spoken with one of the above, but that sure seems to be the  sentiments of Michael Capellas.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2001 10:50:33 -0400! From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) 6 Subject: Re: DLT IV Tapes - How long should they last?+ Message-ID: <9p7bfp$pop$1@panix3.panix.com>   , In article <9ovfch01ifg@enews1.newsguy.com>,, Terry Harris <tharri11@bellsouth.net> wrote:K >Every tape maker gets a bad batch now and then.  Those Manell tapes should H >have some sort of warranty on them.  I had a problem some time ago withL >Maxell tapes for a different sort of drive.  I called their support number,K >explained the problem, got an RMA, and sent them the tapes.  They replaced - >the bad tapes quite promptly with good ones.     D The DLT-IV tapes I buy (3M and Fuji) all a have a lifetime warantee.E I once called Fuji and asked about the warantee.  It was described as E a no questions asked, no proof of purchase required offer. I've never F had a tape "go bad" or, in 3 years, replace my DLT drive. It gets used about 35 hours a week.  C You _do_ pay attention to the "clean-me" light on your drive, don't  you ?     F Based on lifetime warantees I was buying new media on Ebay for a whileD and saved the small company I worked for a couple of thousand bucks.> I only went after auctions for tapes that were still in shrinkB wrap. There's a limit to how cheap I'll be.  Now I work for a big,B profitable, company now. It has bizarre purchasing procedures that! precude buying anything cheaply.     > 9 >"Todd Nelson" <toddnelson_@hotmail.com> wrote in message * >news:tr689m6okjmu1a@corp.supernews.com...J >> We are using MAXELL branded tapes in DS-TZ89N-VW DLT drives attached to >> OpenVMS Alpha 4000s. . >> We have two systems, and one drive on each. >>I >> Both Drives have been replaced at least twice in the past 3 years. One  >just 
 >> yesterday.  >>H >> All Compaq seems to tell me about the issue is that I should be using >COMPAQ D >> branded DLT Tapes... is this just a $$ scam or is this for real?? >> >> Thanks all. >>5 >> "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message 5 >> news:ri26rtkomgto10cegv7h72vk2eh63v988e@4ax.com... 6 >> > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:01:31 -0400, "Todd Nelson"% >> > <toddnelson_@hotmail.com> wrote:  >> > >> > >Hello All..  >> > >J >> > >Many of our DLT Tapes start to fail only after five or six uses.  We >use4 >> > >them on a rotating basis (once every 26 days). >> > >L >> > >I am wondering if this is a unique experience, or if others have these >> types >> > >of problems also.  >> >I >> > Something is seriously wrong. We've had virtually no failures on DLT C >> > IV tapes cycled over 20 times so far,  I've seen DLT III tapes ( >> > reliably cycle for around 100 uses. >> >K >> > How exactly do they fail and are they all used in a common drive? What 3 >> > make of DLT? I'd tend to suspect a drive fault  >> >L >> > >The tapes are stored in temperature controlled settings at all times - >> and >> > >in their cases.  >> > > >> > >Thanks in advance. >> > > >> > >Todd Nelson + >> > >Systems Manager, County of Lehigh, PA 2 >> > >toddnelson (underscore) at hotmail (dot) com >> > > >> > >> > -- 	 >> > Alan  >> >> >  >      --   Al Dykes -----------  adykes@panix.com   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2001 18:42:18 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: Re: DNPG and HP Network Products * Message-ID: <3bb74b6a$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  q In article <20010914125152.34913.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes: - >What do you imagine about the future of DNPG , >being a concurrent of HP Network Products ?5 >I think it is possibile for us to have HP Networking . >hardware in a few months running in Alpha and >Proliant/Netserver machines.   + HP and network used to be an oxymoron here.   + I think DNPG will get problems cause of HP, @ but I certainly will not buy any of the HP based network gadgetsJ (anyone remember 100BaseVG ?) except HP gets back 'network' credibility...  C Waiting half a decade to get a relatively useful printer server box I (JetDirect) after others offered them (EMULEX, XCD, XYPLEX, and even DEC) H fully functional and with still more features like LAT was also no fun !E Too bad, HP got their JetDirect dominance with their printer packages J and most competing companies (eg. EMULEX) though superior already gave up.   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:08:29 GMT 4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)0 Subject: Re: GARTNER GROUP SAYS GET OFF IIS NOW!) Message-ID: <hPEt7.1312$Oh1.17106@insync>   ) Bob Ceculski (bob@instantwhip.com) wrote: D : ARTICLE ON THE ENQUIRER AND REGISTER READS THAT GARTNER GROUP SAYSF : ABANDON IIS NOW ... AND LOOK FOR A MORE SECURE OS AND WEB SERVER ...   Here's the Gartner report...  6   http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=1010345   Nimda Worm Shows You Can't Always Patch Fast Enough   " : WELL I HAVE YOUR ANSWER ... VMS!  > The way to sell that solution to the PHBs/MGMs is to tell themC that VMS doeesn't need as many sysadmins as a Wintel Cartel system.   D I suspect that one reason there are few VMS system manager positionsC is that the VMS systems can run for years without a system manager.   C There's some evidence that the PHBs/MGMs have allowed Wintel Cartel B systems to run with little-to-no system administration. After all,E in most companies, the IT group is an overhead that doesn't generate  % revenues, so are targets for layoffs.   % --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edu /                  leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid 2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2001 17:44:37 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER); Subject: Re: Gartner: The Future of Server (incld. OpenVMS) ( Message-ID: <3bb73de5@news.kapsch.co.at>  q In article <20010913173630.54883.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes: J >http://www3.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?id=3D324128&acsFlg=3DaccessBought   And what does it state ? Consider posting a summary...    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Sep 2001 15:53:25 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) ; Subject: Re: Gartner: The Future of Server (incld. OpenVMS) ' Message-ID: <9p7f5l$fdo$4@joe.rice.edu>   + Peter LANGSTOEGER (eplan@kapsch.net) wrote: s : In article <20010913173630.54883.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes: L : >http://www3.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?id=3D324128&acsFlg=3DaccessBought   : And what does it state ? : Consider posting a summary...   6    Nimda Worm Shows You Can't Always Patch Fast Enough    19 September 2001    John Pescatore   D    Nimda bundles several known exploits against Internet InformationI    Server and other Microsoft software. Enterprises with Web applications C    should start to investigate less-vulnerable Web server products.     .    .    .E    Gartner recommends that enterprises hit by both Code Red and Nimda D    immediately investigate alternatives to IIS, including moving WebB    applications to Web server software from other vendors, such asD    iPlanet and Apache. Although these Web servers have required someH    security patches, they have much better security records than IIS andC    are not under active attack by the vast number of virus and wormrA    writers. Gartner remains concerned that viruses and worms will C    continue to attack IIS until Microsoft has released a completelyUA    rewritten, thoroughly and publicly tested, new release of IIS. B    Sufficient operational testing should follow to ensure that theB    initial wave of security vulnerabilities every software productI    experiences has been uncovered and fixed. This move should include any F    Microsoft .NET Web services, which requires the use of IIS. GartnerH    believes that this rewriting will not occur before year-end 2002 (0.8    probability).  F    Analytical Source: John Pescatore, Information Security Strategies"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:43:30 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>E  Subject: Re: Good bye VAX-6400's' Message-ID: <3BB71372.9C483FC8@iee.org>f  
 ChrisQ wrote: Q > Wasn't much of the early X development done on a 725 ?. I think the machine was P > called a VS100 (Vaxstation 100) and used a unibus graphics card, maybe from anR > external vendor like Evans & Sutherland. Anyone know anything about this ?. SomeC > of the very early X distibutions make reference to this hardware.3  / I don't have a reference to hand, but I believee0 that the VS100 was a UNIBUS board (or board set)- that was used to add workstation capabilitiesn* to a VAX-11/750 (although I guess it would4 have worked in any of the UNIBUS VAXen of the time).   Antonior   --     ---------------W- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org,   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Sep 2001 15:27:16 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)tL Subject: Re: I WILL QUIT USING VMS WHEN THE MILITARY DOES - IN 2015 OR MAYBE' Message-ID: <9p7dkk$fdo$1@joe.rice.edu>g  . Jack Patteeuw (jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com) wrote: :  : Bob Ceculski wrote:  : > I : > I AM TIRED OF READING THESE LAME BRAIN SO CALLED VMS USERS SAYING VMSp : > TIME IS COMING o :r : <snip>   < snip >  K : Every article I have ever seen on "Total Cost of Ownership" has come out 'J : against "distributed" (i.e. "desktop, whether PC or Unix) but that's is I : were the bosses want to go.  These people get 6 figure bonuses and are  J : staring at 10-25% cut backs in the next few months, and they want to go # : desktop !!  They are truly crazy.  :oH Since IT groups are considereed overhead in most companies, because theyJ rarely bring in outside income, the simple solution is axe the IT budget, 9 so the bosses can afford their next "fix" from Microsoft:E  4    http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7238508.html  .   "Microsoft customers balk at license changes    By Joe Wilcox    Staff Writer, CNET News.com$    September 20, 2001, 11:00 a.m. PT  /    What's the cost of little or no competition?B  H    For some Microsoft customers, it's paying as much as 107 percent more'    for the software they buy in volume.o  4    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/21770.html6    Upgrade your MS software before 1 October - Gartner  "   "Posted: 20/09/2001 at 12:23 GMT  A    Businesses are being urged to upgrade Microsoft software by 30gH    September because MS is ditching its most widely used upgrade path on    1 October 2001.  I    The call to upgrade comes from industry analysts Gartner as a response E    to changes in licenses that Microsoft announced in May 2001 comingeD    into effect on 1 October. On that date, Version Upgrades, ProductI    Upgrades, Competitive Upgrades and Language Upgrades will no longer be D    available. But Microsoft has extended the date for purchasing theI    Upgrade Advantage (UA) maintenance offering until 28 February 2002..."   H One of my former employers lost a major site to a roof collapse from tooH much snow. There was a "disaster recover" project, which died because of	 its cost.e  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:06:22 +0200t0 From: "Philip Lewis" <FerrariTR512m@hotmail.com>T Subject: Re: I WILL QUIT USING VMS WHEN THE MILITARY DOES - IN 2015 OR MAYBE LONGER!4 Message-ID: <AfBt7.12927$lk7.215490@news.get2net.dk>  I Did I not recently hear that one of those wonder ships running NT crashednJ every system, one after another and ended up lying dead in the water for 3# days, and needed a tow into port ??    p. ----- Original Message -----
 > klip ...L > Welcome to comp.os.vms, Bob. For the most part, you won't find many peopleL > in comp.os.vms who would argue that VMS is the premier operating system in0 > the world. It also understands lower case <G>. >mG > But it suffers from lack of marketing, first by DEC, then Compaq, andsH > now HP. They preferred to spend their marketing budget on their WintelG > Cartel offerings, trying to prove that they had something better thansH > Dell, Gateway, and IBM. Some people suspicion that one reason for lackF > of marketing is fear of Microsoft. Compaq has trimmed their warrantyF > down to one year. A local PC clone shop offers a life-time warranty: >h  >   http://www.golightspeed.com/ > F > One exception to military usage of VMS is the U.S. Navy's Smart Ship
 > program: >r9 >   http://www.sciam.com/1998/1198issue/1198techbus2.htmlaC >   Scientific American: Technology and Business: Rough Sailing For  >   Smart Ships: November 1998 >e8 >   http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2.htm= >   Software glitches leave Navy Smart Ship dead in the water  >-D > The US Navy plans to automate a supercarrier using Windows 2000... >l1 >   http://www.gcn.com/vol19_no27/dod/2868-1.htmlR  >   Navy carrier to run Win 2000 >9H > The reason you see people discuss porting FROM VMS to unix and WindowsF > is because they like to eat. The number of VMS jobs available is wayJ > down, especially in Houston. You can check out VMS jobs in your area at: >y >   http://openvms.monster.com/s >)F > One reason for the dearth of VMS jobs is that people have heeded theG > warnings of the Gartner Group and others who recommend abandoning VMSoE > because it's going to die. Others have seen major applications liketF > SAP and process control/scada moved from VMS to Wintel Cartel boxes.H > And they're tired of begging DEC, then Compaq, to take their money forH > VMS goods and services. Just call up your nearest Compaq sales critterI > and try to get a quote for a VMS system. Chances are you'll be referredo. > to a channel like Pioneer-Standard or AVNet. >0G > The PHBs/MGMs have decreed that they want everything to be moved fromiJ > VMS to Wintel Cartel or unix systems. Now some of them are whining about+ > His Gatesness software license increases:  >t6 >    http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7238508.html > 0 >   "Microsoft customers balk at license changes >    By Joe Wilcox  >    Staff Writer, CNET News.com& >    September 20, 2001, 11:00 a.m. PT >n1 >    What's the cost of little or no competition?  >mJ >    For some Microsoft customers, it's paying as much as 107 percent more, >    for the software they buy in volume..." >  > And from:p >u6 >    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/21770.html8 >    Upgrade your MS software before 1 October - Gartner > $ >   "Posted: 20/09/2001 at 12:23 GMT >tC >    Businesses are being urged to upgrade Microsoft software by 301J >    September because MS is ditching its most widely used upgrade path on >    1 October 2001..."  >p >?H > Don't ask how you can change the situation, because it seems Carly andG > Curly aren't interested. Perhaps some journalists like Hiawatha Bray,2G > Technology Reporter of the "Boston Globe" and Dwight Silverman of thesA > "Houston Chronicle" could ask HP what the future holds for VMS.g >tG > Don't be surprised if a large number of comp.os.vms find a total lacke? > of credibility in any response concerning VMS from HP/Compaq.d > I > BTW, the latest from HP is that they've let go a large portion of theirs( > team that ported HP-UX to Intel IA-64. >m >e6 > --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own) >wH >         "OpenVMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT v8.0 to be!"F >            posted on www.openvms.digital.com on or about Sep 22,19983 >                            Quashed on Sep 23,1998e< >            but saved on ftp://atlas.csd.net/pub/vms100.jpg   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:18:42 -0400 - From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com>iY Subject: Re: I WILL QUIT USING VMS WHEN THE MILITARY DOES - IN 2015 OR MAYBE LONGER! LONGm, Message-ID: <3BB729C2.E722D993@peoplepc.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:s > G > I AM TIRED OF READING THESE LAME BRAIN SO CALLED VMS USERS SAYING VMS< > TIME IS COMING n   <snip>  Q I agree.  But, how do I convince my management, who despite the fact we have manynS millions of $$$ in VMS hardware and software and hundreds of thousands of man hours R sunk into "in house developed code" (and are still buying more Alphas), think that! the term "computer" means "PC" ??t  P Every article I have ever seen on "Total Cost of Ownership" has come out againstT "distributed" (i.e. "desktop, whether PC or Unix) but that's is were the bosses wantT to go.  These people get 6 figure bonuses and are staring at 10-25% cut backs in theF next few months, and they want to go desktop !!  They are truly crazy.     --    
 Jack Patteeuw    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2001 16:58:21 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: NETSCAPE 6(.1)NEXT on OpenVMS ?* Message-ID: <3bb7330d$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  c In article <BZnGS3lYAo3R@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:nY >In article <3BA7075F.4090207@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:l >e. >> Did you report your problems into Bugzilla?J >> Don't forget this is Opensource software which is based on your help!!!  ) No, I never did report any MOZILLA error.iH Colin is obviously well aware of almost all VMS specific bugs of MOZILLA  and doesn't really need my help.  I I once planned to report a generic MOZILLA error (no AUTOPROXY/AUTOCONFIGoH support) and saw that umpteen (duplicate) bug reports have been reportedG and the developers had a lot of work to do to sort them out and to keeplN only one bug entry. And then they needed umpteen months (!) to fix that bug...  > >I thought the original request was for a _supported_ browser,4 >not one built through contributions of the victims.  ? Yep, the request was for a supported browser (called NETSCAPE).8  C I know, Colin and other folks from Q do their best to offer MOZILLA H for VMS and to also offer support for this browser at no additional costK (it's bundled with VMS license/support) and I appreciate this. Many thanks.u  I However, I wonder why NETSCAPE will (against previous official statement)wI not be made available for OpenVMS. I've yet to see a webserver page which G offers a 'best seen with MOZILLA, NETSCAPE and INTERNET EXPLODER' hint,hD so the question for NETSCAPE is still obvious (at least in my eyes).  J btw: I'm on MOZILLA 0.9.4 and on JAVA131/FASTVM131 (beta) and I had also aI little success with a page containing a small JAVA applet (before MOZILLAW# crashed - running out of memory ?).u   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888s< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2001 09:27:48 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Apache and hackers...-= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0109300827.7393e183@posting.google.com>h  b Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<3BB60C15.94A3B64D@bellsouth.net>...C > There were some recent threads on the security of OpenVMS.  WhilehD > building my web-hosting service, after finally being able to use aG > dynamic DNS service  for my ADSL/PPPoE connection, I discovered in myrJ > Apache access_log.; file over 21,000 attempts in the past 3 weeks to use5 > some WINNT hacks to gain access to the system as hee3 > laughed..."AH-HAHAHAAA.... no access for you!!!".  > H > I was at a major chemical company in August when the last really nastyE > virus and it's offspring were hitting...  I informed them that they?J > could solve ALL of the issues by running OpenVMS/Apache as their primary0 > web servers.  But, alas, they never listen.... >  > Michael Austin2 > First DBA Source, Inc. -- www.firstdbasource.comG > www.spacelots.com -- a Web Hosting Service...coming soon to a browser 
 > near you...i  H a better webserver to use is purveyor for vms ... it is more secure thanD apache because only mailbox priviledges are given to the workers ...C that is not true with apache workers ... also purveyor is a processMA based webserver and unlike apache is easier to tune for increasedlD workloads ... also we did performance tests with purveyor and apache@ under tcpware and purveyor won hands down!  tcpware beats ucx orH multinet as an ip stack because it is based on the vms kernel, not unix!G purveyor also has remote browser management interface that is terrific! E it also has a wonderful built in proxy server that alta vista used tonD use several years ago ... dec used purveyor when it ran its vms siteB also ... i have found an xml product that i can call out of my cgiG scripts to serve xml pages ... it is a solid product ... i have watchedw< my logs getting hit the last 2 weeks by nimda and just yawn!   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2001 09:40:36 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)* Subject: OpenVMS, Purveyor and hackers ...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0109300840.1b1b7f42@posting.google.com>p  H Apache is neccesary if you need an http 1.1 web server, but if 1.0 is okH a better webserver to use is purveyor for vms ... it is more secure thanD apache because only mailbox priviledges are given to the workers ...C that is not true with apache workers ... also purveyor is a processeA based webserver and unlike apache is easier to tune for increasedoD workloads ... also we did performance tests with purveyor and apache@ under tcpware and purveyor won hands down!  tcpware beats ucx orH multinet as an ip stack because it is based on the vms kernel, not unix!G purveyor also has remote browser management interface that is terrific!2E it also has a wonderful built in proxy server that alta vista used to:D use several years ago ... dec used purveyor when it ran its vms siteB also ... i have found an xml product that i can call out of my cgiG scripts to serve xml pages ... it is a solid product ... i have watched < my logs getting hit the last 2 weeks by nimda and just yawn!   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2001 17:58:00 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: Re: Performce of Java on OpenVMS * Message-ID: <3bb74108$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  f In article <19e2ed27.0109191829.3fc06741@posting.google.com>, meetkrishnas@hotmail.com (krish) writes:\ >Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message news:<3BA86015.65CC79AB@gtech.com>... >> krish wrote:eJ >> > We have developed a GUI for one of our product using Java. When i wasJ >> > testing this GUI on an OpenVMS ALPHA7.2-1 with JVM 1.3.0, i found theJ >> > performance to be abysmal.Every buttom click would take a few minutesK >> > to respond and display the contents on the screen. I observed the same J >> > behaviour on all other JVM,like 1.2 flavours(our GUI required JVM 1.2G >> > or more).But,the same GUI when run on a Windows machine, perform'sm >> > very efficiently. >> > PI >> > Initially my machine had a Physical memory of 64MB. Relating the badlI >> > GUI performance to the Physical memory constraint, i increased it to K >> > 96MB. But this did not prove any improvement. Subsequently i installedv2 >> > Java Fast VM for 1.3.0, but nothing improved. >> >  A >> > I would appreciate if someone can advice me on any tuning ornH >> > improvement to the system, that will improve the performance of the	 >> > GUI.p >> i8 >> How much memory in the Windows PC you compared with ? >> n >> 128 MB ? 256 MB ? >> s= >> Both 64 and 96 MB RAM are way too little to do heavy Java.e >>  < >> But since 64->96 did not even help, then you should first >> try and check quotas. >> r >> Java needs a lot of memory. >> a@ >> And normal VMS Alpha quotas which were fine for f.ex. VMS 6.2 >> are just way too low. >> d >> Arnet >U= >Yes, i have been running my GUI on a 256MB windows machine. I > C >And I should not be comparing 64MB with 256MB. Since i dont have a E >windows machine with 64MB RAM, i am trying to get one to compare thee >performce.s >eD >I will get back to you folks once i do the testing on the 64MB RAM.  H Nope. We learned some years ago with the migration from 32bit CISC (VAX)G to 64bit RISC (Alpha) that _a lot_ more memory is required for the same H work to be done on this different platforms. So if you want a comparable. situation reduce your PC to 16-24 MB memory !!  E Or stick in 0.75-1GB to your Alpha and ensure that your processes andu' the whole system are really using it...D   just my 0.02   -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-8881< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:05:16 +0200a2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)0 Subject: Re: Point me in the right direction....; Message-ID: <3bb6e04c.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>a  . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote:J > Seems they did it "right" for the TCPIP stuff with all of the parameters > stored in one location then.  K But then, they screwed up the utility command interface. This is one of the5@ most inconsistent things I've ever seen (from DECpaq) under VMS.   cu,L   Martin -- SG                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer.4 Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK the Borg have proper       |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/E; networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:47:34 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>r, Subject: Re: Recycling old HS* PCMCIA cards?' Message-ID: <3BB71466.71A34102@iee.org>o   Bob Kaplow wrote: F > I assume they're something like EEPROM inside. Are these cards of anM > alternate use? Can they be reprogrammed or recycled for anything useful? OrT > are they all trash?   * I believe that they are all flash. So they' should work in other kit. We have a fewl# DS900TMs around and they can take ab* flash card to store the boot image - means, they don't have to wait for a system to boot# to load them after a power failure.o   Antoniot   -- e   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orge   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2001 18:05:19 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)9 Subject: Re: remove  DQA0 drivers (EIDE disks) from VMS ?w* Message-ID: <3bb742bf$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  [ In article <3BA15276.9DCF62BF@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >Alfons Grammer wrote: >> 3M >> With current AXP21264 systems the IRQs 14, 15 are used for the EIDE disks,S >> DQA0/1, DQB0/1.O >> I have to use these irqs for an parallel I/O interface, as I did in the pastl, >> with AXP21064 and AXP21164 based systems. >> s. >> I removed the EIDE device at SRM console by$ >>     >>> isacfg -rm -slot 0 -dev 6O >> and expected, that then the DRQ driver would not be loaded by VMS ( v. 7.1-2,M >> with patches/upgrades). However, the DQA/DQB devices are still there afteru >> reboot, with err count = 1. >>  L >> How can I remove the DQ devices permanently from VMS? I want to be shure,O >> that I can't get any conflicts between DQ and the parallel interface driver.r >tG >Maybe RENAME SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYS$DQDRIVER.EXE *.XEX and reboot...?  > G >(Before you do that make 100% certain that you can boot up the minimal-! >VMS environment from the VMS CD.   C Or how about commenting out (all of) the DQ driver related lines ino= SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$CONFIG.DAT and SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT:Y   eg.    ! OpenVMS SHIP> ! Added on 21-JUN-1998 14:17:55.18 via SHIP$DRIVER_INSTALL.COM !  device       = "IDE driver"o   name       = DQs   driver     = SYS$DQDRIVERy   adapter    = PCI   id         = 0x4D454449 #   boot_flags = SYS_DEV, HW_CTRL_LTRa   flags      = DISK, BOOT-   units      = 2
 end_device  " Never tried this myself, though...   -- t< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888h< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2001 18:26:22 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: Searching CDA$READ_ANAlYSIS.EXE* Message-ID: <3bb747ae$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  k In article <21149adb.0109140332.c44a6a3@posting.google.com>, vuillec@post.ch (Charles-Henri Vuille) writes:oC >I am searching the CDA Converter for reading DDIF file format on a.A >AXP. On a VAX this file was : SYS$LIBRARY:CDA$READ_ANALYSIS.EXE.'  > I wasn't aware of such a file on the VAX though I have had theD "CDA Converters" (CDACVTLIB022 ECO 1) installed on all of them here.@ Only a SYS$SHARE:CDA$WRITE_ANALYSIS.EXE comes to mind (and AFAIRB it is part of VMS [CDA Base Services] and exists also on Alpha)...  D Unfortunately even the CDA Converters did and do not exist for Alpha> (DEC sold them to a company which got bankrupt shortly after).  E You could still try to VEST them. Even though DECmigrate is no longer0B supported there is a good chance that one might be able to convert; this (assumed very simple) VAX exe to an Alpha exe with it.j   Keep us informed   -- n< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888n< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:11:23 GMTA= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)eJ Subject: Re: To the tune of "It's still rock and roll to me" by Billy Joel0 Message-ID: <00A02D18.56C972F3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <trcstnoc9falfa@news.supernews.com>, "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes:K >You should be working for Compaq's advertising firm - I am sure they woulde >do better then...  I Compaq *has* an advertising firm?  I'd like to know who that might be so oK that I don't make the same mistake should I decide to do some advertising.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMl            cJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesi   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:33:41 GMTe' From: Steve Thompson <smt@twcny.rr.com>y Subject: Re: VAX DOCUMENTrH Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109301133390.14553-100000@vger.vgersoft.com>  % On 24 Sep 2001, Andrew Kendall wrote:G  6 > Defining the logicals didn't work, but including the. > <HTML_OPTIONS>(MANUAL_SEGMENTATION) tag did.  F Turns out that defining the DOC$HTML_OPTIONS logical does work for me,D although it has no affect on HTML generated for tables of content or indices.   Steves   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Sep 01 13:10:26 GMT- From: jason@azure.dstc.edu.au (jason andrade) 8 Subject: Re: Warranty on ES45 reduced from 3 years to 1?* Message-ID: <jason.1001855426@dstc.edu.au>  / Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu> writes:e  / >>>What PC vendor is giving 3 year warranties ?t   >> apple.  (return to base)   H >No, Apple sells its machines and monitors with one year warranties.  ItF >is possible to find sellers who bundle the machines with a three yearG >AppleCare service agreement, that is basically a two year extension ofyI >the warranty for repairs.  The agreement is available as a separate item8: >that can be purchased anytime during the warranty period.  H interesting. the apple ibook i got quoted on included a 3 year warranty.  H perhaps because it was an AUC based quote and there is some special deal for the education sector.e   -jason   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.544 ************************