1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 03 Apr 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 183       Contents:2 Re: Announcing a boot contest for OpenVMS on Intel2 Re: Announcing a boot contest for OpenVMS on Intel Re: API for FTP  RE: API for FTP 7 Re: Compaq set to unveil new Terabit Network Technology 7 Could increasing kernel stack size improve performance? P Even lookin at the previous message shows up as a JS virus, lucky Norton caught  Re: File IO query. Flight documentation+ Re: HP Won't Renominate W. Hewlett to Board F Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinuxF Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinuxF Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinux  Java exec env value not working?$ Re: Java exec env value not working?	 Re: mysql 	 Re: mysql 	 Re: mysql 	 Re: mysql 	 Re: mysql * Newbie trying to get 2 Alpha boxes running. Re: Newbie trying to get 2 Alpha boxes running oracle817 Problem on VMS Re: oracle817 Problem on VMS9 Possible (mis)behavior of sys$manager:utc_time_setup.com? ) Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it ) RE: Predictions - just for the hell of it ) Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it ) Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it ) RE: Predictions - just for the hell of it  Selling: DS10L's NEW !!!4 Re: Spring Forward, Fall Back - unfortunately not :-# Re: TCPIP 5.0A no longer supported? # Re: TCPIP 5.0A no longer supported? ) TCPIP: no new default route when IP is ON E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E RE: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E RE: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 8 Re: Viability of a Commercial ISO-9960 formatter for VMS vms hobbyist licenseing problem ! VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation % Re: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation % Re: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation % Re: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation % Re: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation % Re: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation % Re: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation   Re: VMS To Tru64 Migration PlansP Re: White paper now avaialble - Total Cost of Ownership for Enterprise Class CluP Re: White paper now avaialble - Total Cost of Ownership for Enterprise Class Clu( Re: Why VMS is "unhackable" lesson 1 ...( Re: Why VMS is "unhackable" lesson 1 ...( Re: Why VMS is "unhackable" lesson 1 ...( Re: Why VMS is "unhackable" lesson 1 ...* Wisconsin PC Preferred Customer Newsletter Re: [OT] 11th of September Re: [OT] 11th of September# [OT] Mac hung and shifted two hours   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:22:12 -05002 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>; Subject: Re: Announcing a boot contest for OpenVMS on Intel 3 Message-ID: <Lnoq8.1775$fL6.36209@news.cpqcorp.net>   L Just so folks know Warren ran a report on Monday and we have 150 submissions4 from around the world.  Not bad for a couple of days   Sue   = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message - news:oSIo8.1639$fL6.31660@news.cpqcorp.net...  > Dear Newsgroup,  > G > We now have a booting contest up on the web.  Give it your best shot. + > http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/  >  > Warm Regards,  >  > Sue  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 05:52:59 GMT ( From: "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii5@ACM5.org>; Subject: Re: Announcing a boot contest for OpenVMS on Intel E Message-ID: <%Mwq8.12194$ml2.968128@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>   ? > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message / > news:oSIo8.1639$fL6.31660@news.cpqcorp.net...  >> Dear Newsgroup, >>H >> We now have a booting contest up on the web.  Give it your best shot., >> http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/  A How about encouraging 3rd party VMS vendors to continue the theme C by having their own contests all of which can be easiy located from  the VMSboot contest page?    --   C.W.Holeman II cwhii5@ACM5.org  remove the fives http://also.as/cwhii   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:40:25 GMT / From: "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: API for FTPB Message-ID: <tWmq8.6015$5C5.3776681087@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>  0 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:6 > How did Digital implement the COPY/FTP  in VMS 7.2 ?  - By using a separate image to handle COPY/FTP.   B > Doesn't that give some big hint that there would be some form of > FTP API ?   : No more than a "COPY API" (as opposed to a "CONVERT API").   James    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:40:49 -0500+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>  Subject: RE: API for FTPT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1E09@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Re: FTSO ..    SPD location for more info: . http://www.compaq.com/info/SP5434/SP5434PF.PDF3 http://www.compaq.com/emea/ftso/ Main FTSO web page    - multi-platform6 - will continue where it left off after network bounce - lots of other goodies    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----C From: lbohan@spamless..dbc.com [mailto:lbohan@spamless..dbc.com]=20  Sent: April 2, 2002 1:01 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: API for FTP    D On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:11:09 +0200, "Jakob Erber" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:  G >just to make it sure: There is still no API for FTP on VMS? (compaq=20  >tcpip
 >services)  H if you're not interested in using Perl for this,  (ie Net::FTP) the FTSO api might be of interest    http://www.compaq.com/emea/ftso/   from ftso_api.h, .. ** VMS platforms$ **   link your application with :=20 **     - FTSO_API.OLB  **     - LIBFTSO.OLB **     - CFTSO_API.OLB **=20  ...   
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 market,=20E   whilst Ella stupidly tastes them too. Who creeps weekly, when Ali =  lives the=20?   young sauce outside the mountain? </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   - ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C1DB66.568C58B0--O   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2002 17:32:19 -0800, From: wingwong@witty.com (wing)  Subject: Re: File IO query.p= Message-ID: <873e96d6.0204021732.52e9b12a@posting.google.com>4  H > >I have written a testing program to write 10000 records in a file. ItI > >takes less than 4s. However, if I run 48 copies of the testing programFI > >at the same time (by submit it to a job queue), it takes >47s to write  > >10000 records.r > >l > >How to avoid this?o > D > Don't do it? Seriously we need more info. unless this is just some > bizarre April 1st troll. > F > However disk striping and write-back cache immediately jump to mind. > A How to avoid disk striping and write-back?, says on the open files option or in OS level.  F I am writing a server in openvms.  In which, around 70 servers will beC run at the same time and each needs to write its own log for audit.0E And, I suspect that the bottleneck may be on the file system, thus, I: do this testing.  F I am also try fstream, it taks 20s(much beeter) to write 10000 recordsA for each of 48 testing programs.  However, the file is locked andeD could not be read.  Is there any way to open a file with fstream for share read?a  B Moreover, I am thinking of using global session to pass the log toF another server to do the logging.  Please suggest some hints to start.   Thanks,A   Wing   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:53:37 -0500a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Flight documentationo, Message-ID: <3CAA6E90.B42F1E09@videotron.ca>  I Is there any way to get the FLIGHT documentation (in particular the world08 reference) in either vax document or Bookreader format ?  E I can convert the .PS to  PDF, it that lacks the PDFMARK to build thet5 bookmarks/index to allow easy access to the document.    ------------------------------    Date: 03 Apr 2002 03:14:25 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>4 Subject: Re: HP Won't Renominate W. Hewlett to Board- Message-ID: <87wuvpsyjy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>U  ) David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes:x  F > > While it is almost unheard-of to have a director take actions suchC > > as Walter Hewlett has taken, equally it is almost unheard-of toyD > > have the largest shareholder of a company not represented on the@ > > board, especially when that stake is as large as the Hewlett
 > > Trust.  F > Exactly.  Which sets up yet another opening for legal action against > HP.e  ? And would I suspect, open the board of HP to being charged with-B attempting to pervert the course of justice, or contempt of court.   -- o< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:11:34 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> O Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinux , Message-ID: <3CAA0264.E4AFB39A@videotron.ca>   Bob Ceculski wrote:bI > OpenVMS is not now, nor has it ever been, vulnerable to any sort or anymJ > type of IP exploit.  Why?  Because OpenVMS will completely ignore any IP4 > packet it sees unless you add an IP product to it.  M What was that big worm that targetted VMS called again ? (back in the 1980s).o  N Bob, I wouldn't brag so much about VMS's security. If the hoardes of MicrosoftL script weenies had been raised to try to hack VMS, one should expect to haveQ seen more vulnerabilities exposed. (Granted, not as silly as the Microsoft ones).c    I > In short, Andrew, VMS lives up to its security reputation.  It has been72 > well-earned over many years through many trials.  K But put a competant UNIX system manager on a commercial UNIX, and I suspects2 that the security would be just as good as on VMS.   Let me ask you this: eQ How different is the VMS version of Apache from the version that runs on Solaris?e    L I have no problem with OSU because it was written by a very competent personM for VMS on VMS. (Kudos to Dave Jones). But I would not grant carte-blanche toeA Apache on VMS because it I would assume that it suffers from sameb1 vulnerabilities as its original versions on Unix.   U One needs to know the application software just as much as the OS to ensure security.i   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2002 14:27:35 -0600m+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) O Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinuxe3 Message-ID: <3D87M2J4Gmf7@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  \ In article <3CAA0264.E4AFB39A@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Bob Ceculski wrote: J >> OpenVMS is not now, nor has it ever been, vulnerable to any sort or anyK >> type of IP exploit.  Why?  Because OpenVMS will completely ignore any IPe5 >> packet it sees unless you add an IP product to it.r > O > What was that big worm that targetted VMS called again ? (back in the 1980s).a >   1 	WANK.  But that was Decnet.  Bob is still right.n  . http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.34.html#subj5  " 	What was the recommended cleanup?  ? R. Kevin Oberman from Lawrence Livermore National Labs reports:2E      "This is a mean bug to kill and could have done a lot of damage.lG      Since it notifies (by mail) someone of each successful penetrationeG      and leaves a trapdoor (the FIELD account), just killing the bug is A      not adequate.  You must go in an make sure all accounts havetE      passwords and that the passwords are not the same as the account.      name."t    = 	Make sure your accounts have passwords and the passwords are @ 	not the account name.  Sigh... those were the bad old days, eh?   				Robr   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2002 16:16:57 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)O Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinuxg= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204021616.5178974d@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3CAA0264.E4AFB39A@videotron.ca>...a > Bob Ceculski wrote:mK > > OpenVMS is not now, nor has it ever been, vulnerable to any sort or anyaL > > type of IP exploit.  Why?  Because OpenVMS will completely ignore any IP6 > > packet it sees unless you add an IP product to it. > O > What was that big worm that targetted VMS called again ? (back in the 1980s).  >    the last time I did ae   $ SHOW TIMEu   it was 2002!  M > But put a competant UNIX system manager on a commercial UNIX, and I suspect 4 > that the security would be just as good as on VMS. >e  A stop it!  you making me crack up!  you need a little visit to theg cert advisory web site ... o> defcon10 is coming, why don't you put up your unix garbage box> againset my vms tcpware box, and we'll see how crazy your last
 statement is!y   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2002 12:24:28 -0800d From: willirl@usa.net (Richard)d) Subject: Java exec env value not working?l= Message-ID: <9dbe34c3.0204021224.2d59f43e@posting.google.com>f  C (Maybe someone from the OpenVMS Java team at Compaq will read this)n  F I need to run a VMS command proc from Java (yes, I know I shouldn't do* things like this in Java) Looks like this:      ...    String env [ ] = {"a = 25"}; 9    Process p = Runtime.getRuntime.exec ("test.com", env);l    p.waitFor ( );r    ...  F test.com gets run ok but the symbol "a" does not exist there.  Is this not the expected behavior?   WillWilliamsosxt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 23:02:18 -0600lC From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>e- Subject: Re: Java exec env value not working?lH Message-ID: <craig.berry-D00D08.23021802042002@news.directvinternet.com>  = In article <9dbe34c3.0204021224.2d59f43e@posting.google.com>,H!  willirl@usa.net (Richard) wrote:   H > I need to run a VMS command proc from Java (yes, I know I shouldn't do, > things like this in Java) Looks like this: >  >    ...! >    String env [ ] = {"a = 25"};n; >    Process p = Runtime.getRuntime.exec ("test.com", env);  >    p.waitFor ( );e >    ... > H > test.com gets run ok but the symbol "a" does not exist there.  Is this > not the expected behavior?  A I don't know what the expected behavior is, but are you sure the  C environment will be implemented as DCL symbols rather than logical sD names?  I suggest trying SHOW LOGICAL A in test.com to see what you D get.  In the unlikely event that the implementation has bungled its G internal lib$spawn call by not passing reasonable flags for inheriting eA the environment, there is purportedly a way to call RTL routines oG yourself from java, so you could, for example, call lib$set_logical or SE lib$set_symbol before instantiating your Runtime object (I mean, um, lE running your command procedure).  To say more would require actually i/ reading the java for OpenVMS documentation ;-).l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:23:25 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>s Subject: Re: mysql+ Message-ID: <3CAA13CE.9BBDE600@pacbell.net>a   John Smith wrote:i > 7 > You might find an old version of Interbase somewhere.h > It's very Rdb-like.i > K > Currently at version 6.5, I think that the last supported VMS version was  > v5.t- Actually it's only 4.0 (I did the last port).f   > 5 > "Wim_K" <verledentijd@hotmail.com> wrote in message & > news:a882tt$deo$1@news1.xs4all.nl...N > > Hello I'm looking for a freeware database, I was looking for mysql, but it > > isn't ported to VMS. > >' > > ) > > Is there something else I could use??w > >l > > ( > > I hope that someone can help me out. > >  > > Many thanks in advance > >i > > Wims > >  > >W     --     Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin @alphase.com 
 San Francisco    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:38:12 GMTc' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>c Subject: Re: mysql+ Message-ID: <3CAA1744.194B0D34@pacbell.net>M   John Smith wrote:N > N > Interbase  *used* to be available on VMS. Borland has made it 'open source'.H > You might want to take a look at it - I rather liked it when were were& > evaluating it a number of years ago.  P Yes it is a good product with a small footprint. I did the last port to VMS backN in 98. I've also been monitoring their newsgroups since, checking for interestL in another port, but as one might expect, there hasn't been much VMS talk inP those NGs. There were several user's interested in 2000, but the $$ just weren't  there to support such an effort.N If there were enough interest (meaning some $$) I would consider doing anotherP port. I still have all the QA scripts I used for 4.0 and I already know the kindH of problems I hit before, so it might not be too difficult to do. SO, if. anyone's interested, please email me directly.P BTW: version 4.0 was tested on VMS 6.1 & 6.2, but I have no reason to believe itK wouldn't work on 7.2 or 7.3. Again, if anyone's interested in that version,A please let me know.    > G > Don't know if there are still any VMS-specific bits in the code-base.aH > Perhaps an e-mail to Borland and a browse through the code might be in > order. >  > -------------------- > 8 > from http://www.inprise.com/interbase/ib6/ib6_faq.html >  >  INTERBASE 6.0 > Response to Recent Inquiries > ? > Q: Is Borland truly committed to the InterBase product line?W > E > A: Yes. Borland continues to commit significant human and financial L > resources to the ongoing development and support of InterBase. Borland hasI > an entire product team, including Research and Development, QA testing,tG > Technical Support, Sales and Marketing to support InterBase's future.  > E > Q: Why has Borland been so quiet since the initial open sourcing of  > InterBase? > I > A: Based on strong customer demand, Borland has been working to certify,L > InterBase 6 on a variety of platforms. With that accomplished, we now haveK > the foundation to work more closely with InterBase customers and the opene > source community.l > L > Q: Why has Borland decided to continue development of InterBase after open > sourcing it? > M > A: InterBase is an integral part of Borland's line of development products,eJ > such as JBuilderT, C++BuilderT, DelphiT and KylixT. InterBase also has aK > large customer base that lobbied Borland to continue to support InterBase= > directly.  > 6 > Q: Does InterBase have any potential security flaws? > N > A: No software is absolutely secure. However, in an effort to avoid any typeH > of security breach, we continually test for possible security threats.K > Platform specific security patches can be downloaded. We will continue tozK > enhance InterBase security on all fronts moving forward, and it should besK > noted that the "back door" flaw in our Certified and Open Source versions M > that existed in previous versions of InterBase has been completely removed.o >  > Q: Will InterBase be free? > N > A: The core source code for the open source version 6.01.6 will be availableJ > to download free from Source Forge. This is the only authorized locationI > where InterBase source code can be found. The certified versions, whichfN > include additional features and functionality, are available for purchase atH > http://shop.borland.com. The certified Server Edition version includesI > updated and tested InterClientT, IBXT, IBConsoleT, fully supported ODBCn! > connectivity and IBReplicatorT.  > 2 > Q: For which platforms is InterBase 6 certified? > : > A: InterBase 6 is certified for the following platforms: > ! > Windows Operating System, 2000 C > Windows Operating System, NT 4. 0 (w/ Service Pack 6a or higher)2/ > Windows Operating System, Millennium Editionr  > Windows Operating System, 98., > Linux Operating System, Red Hat 6.2 and 7' > Linux Operating System, MandrakeT 7.2n# > Linux Operating System, SuSe 7.0u. > Linux Operating System, TurboLinux 6.0, and' > SolarisT Operating System, 2.6 and 7.e > * > Q: How will InterBase be made available? > M > A: InterBase will be made available in three versions: Open Edition, is the L > source code only found on Source Forge; Desktop Edition, which includes anL > enhanced local version of the database is available via download only fromI > http://shop.borland.com; and Server Edition, which includes updated and K > tested InterClient, IBX, IBConsole, fully supported ODBC connectivity andj> > IBReplicator will be available from http://shop.borland.com. > B > Q: How much is the certified version of InterBase going to cost? > M > A: We are keeping the already reasonable pricing and offering the same higheN > standards of technical support that Borland offers across all product lines.9 > Please see our current prices on the Borland shop site:s > http://shop.borland.com. > E > Q: Will there be a trial download (evaluation copy) for InterBase 6u > certified edition? > L > A: Yes, we are developing a downloadable trial version that will allow youJ > to evaluate the new features and functionality not available in the open > source version.s > : > Q: Will the open source certified binaries be available? > K > A: The binaries currently available on our web site are not certified andn > will not be updated. > ) > Q: Why is the Open version uncertified?l > I > A: The open source code on Source Forge is always a "work in progress."eF > Features and functionality tested there are experimental and offer aM > development test bed for the certified versions. You are welcome to developyM > and deploy at your own risk, subject to the terms and conditions of the IPLfG > license. We encourage our community to participate in the Open Source K > efforts and download and compile the open version, but our certification,tN > load testing and final field testing is done on stable servers and the fullyM > functional Borland compiled version. Certification is only provided for ouri  > purchased deployable products. > @ > Q: How do I get involved with the Borland open source project? > N > A: There are several news groups that Borland sponsors and maintains. We areN > working to have these monitored not only by our Quality Assurance staff, but2 > by our Research & Development engineers as well. > 7 > Q: Has licensing been added to the certified version?s > M > A: Yes, licensing is now available in our Server Edition, as well as in thee > Desktop Edition. > I > Q: What types of issues are covered by the Technical Support Engineers?i > K > A: Installation issues are free for customers with the certified version. H > Support options regarding installation and database issues in the Open% > Edition are available for purchase.  > N > Compilation and coding problems in the Open Edition cannot be supported, norH > can we support options currently available for the previously releasedF > non-certified Open Source binaries. We will not support the existingH > binaries from the open source version, nor can we provide free installK > support of the open source version. However, installation support will beIM > available using our various developer support fee based offerings. Finally,nM > for a fee, we will support binaries you build yourself from the open sourceoG > version, however, we will only support them to the extent that we cano. > reproduce problems in the certified version. > ! > Q: What versions are supported?  > ! > A: Windows, Linux, and Solaris.o > < > Q: Will there be free support for the open source version? > N > A: Borland will post instructions on how you can build the binaries, but forJ > obvious reasons we cannot support the building of binaries from the open > source version.i > @ > Q: Which platforms are supported by Borland Technical Support? > M > A: Many versions of InterBase on a variety of platforms continue to be used)L > by our customers. Consequently we provide support on a number of differentK > platforms, including: Windows, Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, SCO, Novell, ande > AIX.  > L > Q: What's the difference between the certified version and the Open Source
 > version? > E > A: The functionality is the same in the Open Source version and thetK > certified version, but certain performance enhancements may not appear ina > the open source version. > 0 > The certified version will have the following: > E > Complete QA certification of all modules and components involved inn > InterBase M > Cross platform testing permutations and combinations between Windows, Linux,
 > and SolarisnM > Single to Multi-user load testing in high stressed and high load user count ! > Small to large database testingn& > Most current InterBase documentationG > Licensing API (our VAR community and developers depend highly on thiso1 > feature to deploy solutions based on InterBase)l" > Silent Install using Install APIG > Worldwide Customer Support and services from Borland will be ready ton1 > support the product that they know is certifiedW1 > JDBC (InterClient) and ODBC (Easysoft) driversa! > IBReplicator replication engineuL > Best of breed companion tools and products that will be made more clear in > the futureL > International versions of the certified product will be available based on > demandJ > World class Rapid Application Development tools integration with BorlandM > Developer tools (Delphi, Kylix, JBuilder, etc.) through IBX and InterClientM > C > Q: Does Borland host the source code for the open source version?e > ) > A: No, it can be found on Source Forge.p > 5 > "Wim_K" <verledentijd@hotmail.com> wrote in message & > news:a882tt$deo$1@news1.xs4all.nl...N > > Hello I'm looking for a freeware database, I was looking for mysql, but it > > isn't ported to VMS. > >I > > ) > > Is there something else I could use??e > >s > > ( > > I hope that someone can help me out. > >n > > Many thanks in advance > >r > > Wimt > >i > >s     -- o   Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin @alphase.com 
 San Franciscop   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:11:27 -0500 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>e Subject: Re: mysql2 Message-ID: <3CAA1E7F.EDFB9952@firstdbasource.com>   Don,  H Where is the VMS version of Interbase available?  I have a need to writeG something that can store data in a database, but they cannot afford theiF licenses for Oracle Rdb or "Classic" and the use of RMS could be a lot more headaches :)d -- Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163t7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.come Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)h 704-236-4377 (Mobile)j   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:39:59 GMT-( From: Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: mysql+ Message-ID: <3CAA33D1.96F14E4F@pacbell.net>w  O I've posted your request to the folks at Borland. If they have no objections tofA releasing that version as open source, I can provide you a copy. t  I'll let you know what they say.   Donr   Michael Austin wrote:u >  > Don, > J > Where is the VMS version of Interbase available?  I have a need to writeI > something that can store data in a database, but they cannot afford the H > licenses for Oracle Rdb or "Classic" and the use of RMS could be a lot > more headaches :)t > --
 > Regards, > 9 > Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163 9 > First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com. > Sr. Consultant > 704-947-1089 (Office)a > 704-236-4377 (Mobile)f   -- r   Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin @alphase.com 
 San Franciscoi   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 23:51:58 GMT)( From: Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: mysql+ Message-ID: <3CAA44B1.404701D6@pacbell.net>b  3 Sorry, they will not release IB4.0 as open source.     Don Sykes wrote: > Q > I've posted your request to the folks at Borland. If they have no objections to B > releasing that version as open source, I can provide you a copy." > I'll let you know what they say. >  > Dond >  > Michael Austin wrote:  > >- > > Don, > >-L > > Where is the VMS version of Interbase available?  I have a need to writeK > > something that can store data in a database, but they cannot afford thepJ > > licenses for Oracle Rdb or "Classic" and the use of RMS could be a lot > > more headaches :)p > > -- > > Regards, > >n; > > Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163u; > > First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comu > > Sr. Consultant > > 704-947-1089 (Office)p > > 704-236-4377 (Mobile)S >  > -- >  > Have VMS. Will Travel. > Wire Paladin @alphase.comI > San Francisco    -- h   Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin @alphase.com 
 San Francisco9   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:04:08 +0100+ From: "David Waine" <davidwaine@myopal.net>c3 Subject: Newbie trying to get 2 Alpha boxes runningo2 Message-ID: <Oknq8.1$Y2.70@news-1.opaltelecom.net>  L As an Easter Holiday project I'm trying to get 2 old Alpha Stations working.J I have a load of rather disjointed questions to ask, if someone could fill2 in some of the answers, that would be very useful.   AS255-233 (With VMS on dka0)G -  I've managed to get SRM updated to the latest version (V7) using thes process summarised below.JJ -  Although SRM is set to load VMS from a cold start, I've managed to stopG this action with a simple ^C.  (If I let it boot, it does so with a fewa. error messages, but nothing that seems fatal).H -  Usernames and passwords have long gone.  Is there any way to get overF this problem so that I can log in given that I can break into the boot process?L -  The other box I'm trying to resurrect is a AS200, it has a very good userI guide on the Compaq web site.  I can't find one for the 255 and thereforetF I'm reduced to using the information on the sticky label on top of theI CD-ROM to try and figure out now the motherboard is set.  Is there a usero guide for the 255?L - The objective is to get VMS running again in some form so that I can teachL myself the operating system (summer holiday project, all being well).  CouldF anyone recommend a book that might form a good self-teaching guide?  IH realise that this may not be a great career enhancer, but there we go...J - I've seen several web sites promoting forms of free / nearly free / openI VMS.  Do any of these work?  What I mean is, given that I'd like to learnsH VMS basics, are they stable / complete / correct enough to make it worth trying them?J - I've seen one web site promoting the idea of Compaq making VMS availableE FOC for non-commercial users.  Does anyone know if this got anywhere?nG - I know it sounds boring, but I'd actually be happy to buy the OS fromgK Compaq (subject to status, you realise).  Does anyone know if this is still  possible?  If so, how?    AS 200 4/100 (with Unix on dka0)L -  This box is running Digital Unix, which I understand was called OSF/1 and% later became Tru64.  Is that correct? 5 -  I can make this box boot using BOOT -FL 0,A0 DKA0.lI -  User names and passwords long gone, but can I find some way of bootingiK the OS and getting root permissions to set up an account and go from there? J -  Without the -fl 0,A0 switch when BOOTing, the process hangs.  Are thereJ any other switches that work?  I guess I'm looking for some way to get the/ OS up without the need for username/password...sK - I have an old version of SRM (V4.37) and would like to update to V7 which L I understand was the last version issued.  I've been to the Compaq web site,G downloaded the .exe file and also a utility called "mkdisk.exe".  AftersI running the utility, I've attempted to run using BOOT -FL 0,A0 DVA0 (withWH the FDD loaded with the disk produced by the utility).  The box seems toI reset and hang.  Any ideas why this is?  Strangely the same process worksiF fine for the 255 box. (I wonder if the same binary should work on both	 boxes)...eL -  When first powered up, the little battery that keeps the NV-RAM alive wasK flat resulting in (what seemed like) spurious boot time error messages.  ItSL would see prudent to back up the SRM environment settings so that once I getL them sorted, to paper and/or disk.  Is this possible without using a pen and paper?H - Ditto on buying the latest version of Unix that works on this box from6 Compaq.  Would they sell it to me?  Could I afford it?   Linux and BSD....lK - If I can't get any where with Digital Unix and/or VMS on the above boxes,hL I was going to move to BSD or failing that Linux.  Although I'm aware of theF "official" sites for these OS's, are there any practical guides to theA process (and pitfalls) that I might experience while moving over? J Basically, I'd like to learn the installed OS's, so I only want to do thisE if all else fails.  I could do with doing a bit of "staggering on the,< shoulders of giants" before lurching off in a new direction.K - I know Redhat very well.  Does anyone know if this works OK on either the  200 or 255?    Further madness...J -  The 255 has SRM loaded.  The 200 seems to have both ARM and SRM loaded.H Does anyone know why these two boot/debug tools were separate?  Was it aK technical thing or was ARM an add on to tap into the NT market place?  Just  interested, that's all...nK -  I've also got a Vaxstation 4000 model 60.  It is my intention to move oneK to this once the above are working (or not!).  Does anyone know of any goodn$ information sources on this old box?  A Thanks very much for reading my questions, any help would be much  appreciated.   ---  David Wainet   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:42:30 -0500p2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)7 Subject: Re: Newbie trying to get 2 Alpha boxes running K Message-ID: <rdeininger-0204021942300001@1cust233.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>t  @ In article <Oknq8.1$Y2.70@news-1.opaltelecom.net>, "David Waine" <davidwaine@myopal.net> wrote:  M >As an Easter Holiday project I'm trying to get 2 old Alpha Stations working. K >I have a load of rather disjointed questions to ask, if someone could fille3 >in some of the answers, that would be very useful.s   Welcome to OpenVMS.e     >AS255-233 (With VMS on dka0)eH >-  I've managed to get SRM updated to the latest version (V7) using the >process summarised below.K >-  Although SRM is set to load VMS from a cold start, I've managed to stopiH >this action with a simple ^C.  (If I let it boot, it does so with a few/ >error messages, but nothing that seems fatal).iI >-  Usernames and passwords have long gone.  Is there any way to get overBG >this problem so that I can log in given that I can break into the bootu	 >process?    Start at www.openvms.compaq.com   I You will find a link to the OpenVMS FAQ.  It explains how to break into as) VMS system, and many other useful things.o  F You will also find a link to the OpenVMS documentation set.  I suggest starting with the User's Guide.b  M >-  The other box I'm trying to resurrect is a AS200, it has a very good userwJ >guide on the Compaq web site.  I can't find one for the 255 and thereforeG >I'm reduced to using the information on the sticky label on top of thedJ >CD-ROM to try and figure out now the motherboard is set.  Is there a user >guide for the 255?vM >- The objective is to get VMS running again in some form so that I can teachpM >myself the operating system (summer holiday project, all being well).  CouldeG >anyone recommend a book that might form a good self-teaching guide?  I I >realise that this may not be a great career enhancer, but there we go... K >- I've seen several web sites promoting forms of free / nearly free / opencJ >VMS.  Do any of these work?  What I mean is, given that I'd like to learnI >VMS basics, are they stable / complete / correct enough to make it worth 
 >trying them?w  + I don't think any of them are ready to use.   K >- I've seen one web site promoting the idea of Compaq making VMS availableiF >FOC for non-commercial users.  Does anyone know if this got anywhere?H >- I know it sounds boring, but I'd actually be happy to buy the OS fromL >Compaq (subject to status, you realise).  Does anyone know if this is still >possible?  If so, how?a  G If you join the Encompass user group (formerly DECUS), you can get freeuE hobbyist licenses for VMS and many layered products.  And you can getHI media kits from Encompass for cheap, which contain the OS and a subset ofa the layered products.O See the FAQ for more details.c    ! >AS 200 4/100 (with Unix on dka0) M >-  This box is running Digital Unix, which I understand was called OSF/1 andl& >later became Tru64.  Is that correct?   Yes.  6 >-  I can make this box boot using BOOT -FL 0,A0 DKA0.J >-  User names and passwords long gone, but can I find some way of bootingL >the OS and getting root permissions to set up an account and go from there?K >-  Without the -fl 0,A0 switch when BOOTing, the process hangs.  Are therenK >any other switches that work?  I guess I'm looking for some way to get thet0 >OS up without the need for username/password...   I don't know about unix.  J The alpha system console typically stores some environment variables.  OneH specifies the default boot flags.  Try the SHOW command at the console.  Also the HELP command.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 02:04:53 +0200u( From: "Nazim Manser" <nmanser@progis.de>! Subject: oracle817 Problem on VMS ) Message-ID: <67b9105e.105e67b9@progis.de>s  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ----7c9e674594672d* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitn  	 Hi folks,l  : I don't know if it is the right newsgroup to post, this is  a ORACLE RDBMS problem under VMS  * ORACLE RDBMS 8.1.7 Enterprise Edition (8i) alpha server 1000 , OpenVMS 7.3d  A i tried to install oracle server (util,netconfig,sqlplus,svrmgr) y products that went fine.t  B i configured the oracle server for 1 code tree and 1 instance with a 30 MB SGA.< What is the name of the database you want to create? PROJEKT <ESC>[2J<ESC>[0;0f6                          RDBMSDB Configuration Options  ? Option                                            Current Valuea  3  1. System or Group Installation? [S/G]           S C  2. Root directory for database administration    ORA_ROOT:[000000]d     directory (ORA_DB)?uG  3. Initial database file for SYSTEM Tablespace?  ORA_DB:ORA_SYSTEM.DBSs6  4. Initial size of SYSTEM Tablespace?            500KE  5. Log File 1?                                   ORA_DB:ORA_LOG1.RDOe7  6. Log File 1 Size?                              2000KdE  7. Log File 2?                                   ORA_DB:ORA_LOG2.RDOe7  8. Log File 2 Size?                              2000Kt2  9. Control File 1 Name?                           ORA_DB:ORA_CONTROL1.CONn2 10. Control File 2 Name?                           ORA_DB:ORA_CONTROL2.CONd4 11. Value for MAXDATAFILES  (1..999999999)?       324 12. Value for MAXLOGFILES   (2..254)?             32E 13. Value for MAXI14. Value for MAXLOGMEMBERS (1..5)?               2t6 15. Value for MAXLOGHISTORY (0..5000)?            1600: 16. Value for CHARACTER SET?                      US7ASCII  " Enter (A)LL to select all options.5 Enter (E)XIT to exit this menu with selected options.e. Enter (Q)UIT to quit this menu with no action.  9 Enter the number of the option that you want to change: 4i  " Initial size of SYSTEM Tablespace?      Original Default:  90Mf    Current Value   :  500K    New Value        > 5M        = when i tried to create the instance i got the following errorl  <   Enter a number or (E)XIT to exit installation procedure: 2              >                  Instance Creation, Startup, and Shutdown Menu>                  _____________________________________________      /           1. Create a New Instance and Databasel    )           2. Startup an Existing Instancen    .           3. Set up a Parallel Server Instance    *           4. Shutdown an Existing Instance      F                     Enter a number or (E)XIT to return to Main Menu: 2              6                         Currently known database SIDs:  *                                       TEST    ;                      Press [RETURN] to quit with no action.c    E            NOTE:  The SID can be a maximum of 6 characters in length.     : What is the SID for the instance you want to startup? test    4 Oracle Server Manager Release 3.1.7.0.0 - Production  C Copyright (c) 1997, 1999, Oracle Corporation.  All Rights Reserved.r  : Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production  * SVRMGR> Echo                            ON. SVRMGR> spool ora_instance:startup_PROJEKT.log" SVRMGR> connect internal as sysdba
 Connected. SVRMGR> startup open "PROJEKT"1 ORA-27125: unable to create shared memory segmentnF %SYSTEM-E-MRES_PFNSMALL, specified length is larger than reserved pre-	 allocateda memory  SVRMGR> Server Manager complete.   Press [RETURN] to continue:e     the trace shows the followings      . Dump file ORA_DB:VMAL04_TEST_FG_ORACLE_000.trc  3-APR-2002 01:18:58.55:3 Parallel server mode indeterminate - SGA not mappedl< ------------------------------------------------------------A Proc: 0x21c000d5 ORA_TESTB5602 User: [500,001] ORACLE8      Term:w* Image: $4$DKB100:[ORACLE8.RDBMS]ORACLE.EXE   CPU Time Used (10ms): 50.   $CREPRC flags: 260,  Current Privs: 7719e8a59   Event Flags 0-31/32-63/Mask: e0001001/80000000/dfffffffn6   Job Subprocesses/Current Mode/PHD Flags: 0/0/1fb23981   ASTs Active/Avail./Enabled/Limit: 0/998/15/1000o)   Buffered IO Count Avail./Limit: 149/150l4   Buffered IO Byte Count Avail./Limit: 149040/1490405   Direct IO Count Avail./Limit/Operations: 150/150/86 %   Enqueue Count Avail./Limit: 295/300e2   Open File Count Avail./Limit/ShFilLm: 996/1000/08   Page File Count Avail./Limit/Location: 180672/200000/00   Active Page Table Count: 0,  Page Faults: 1416;   Pages in Working Set - Global/Process-Private:  7168/9472b1   FreePTEs (unsigned longwords 0:1): 2113698512:3t   Subprocess Count/Limit: 0/32&   Timer Queue Count Avail/Limit: 15/16;   Working Set Max. Size/Max. Extent/Quota: 4352/212992/4352a:   Working Set Current Extent/Size/Peak: 212992/21376/16640< ------------------------------------------------------------ vsnsql=e vsnxtr=3-: Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production5 cpu ALPH 80000000 vms V7.3     clustered with 3 nodes  Node name:      VMAL04  4 scsnd: VMAL04  , ndname: VMAL04, sys$node = SYS$NODEA hwmdl: 1091 hwnm: AlphaServer 1000 4/233 cpus: FFFFFFFF cpush: 0 o active: 1, avail: 1t5 locktbl size 3840 max 435497 resource hash size 16384h Instance name: TESTl  . Redo thread mounted by this instance: 0 <none>   Oracle process number: 0   21c000d5    , Please reserve memory for SGA. SGA size =  0    0 when i check some parameters i see the following         $ wo f$getsyi("free_gblpages") 11070032  $ wo f$getsyi("contig_gblpages") 11070000 $ mc sysgen show gblpages,C Parameter Name           Current    Default     Min.      Max.      
 Unit  DynamicsG --------------           -------    -------    -------   -------   ----e	   -------oB GBLPAGES                 11301576      65536     10240         -1  Pagelets   DB  internal value            706349       4096       640         -1  Pages      D $ show memory/full@               System Memory Resources on  3-APR-2002 01:55:23.68  D Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use     ModifiedH   Main Memory (448.00Mb)           57344       27693       28597         1054  B Extended File Cache  (Time of last reset:  2-APR-2002 20:42:00.26)H     Allocated (Mbytes)           76.66    Maximum size (Mbytes)          224.007     Free (Mbytes)                 0.14    Minimum size 9 (Mbytes)           0.237:     In use (Mbytes)              76.51    Percentage Read  I/Os              94%i4     Read hit rate                   82%   Write hit  rate                     0%m4     Read I/O count               39560    Write I/O  count                 21594     Read hit count               32819    Write hit  count                    0;     Reads bypassing cache         1729    Writes bypassing t cache            14e7     Files cached open              414    Files cached c closed             1096pB     Vols in Full XFC mode            0    Vols in VIOC Compatible  mode      10C     Vols in No Caching mode          0    Vols in Perm. No Caching a mode      0a  D Granularity Hint Regions (pages):  Total        Free      In Use     Released=   Execlet code region               1024           0         e 834         190a=   Execlet data region                264           0         i 264           0 =   S0/S1 Executive data region        642           0         . 642           0r=   Resident image code region        1024           0         p 846         1787  E Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     s Swapped >   Process Entry Slots                 59          19           40           0>   Balance Set Slots                   57          19           38           0  E Dynamic Memory Usage:              Total        Free      In Use     i Largest H   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory (Mb)      4.92        0.83        4.08         0.50G   Bus Addressable Memory  (Kb)    135.93      118.81       17.12       . 95.93eH   Paged Dynamic Memory    (Mb)      1.27        0.56        0.71         0.55@   Lock Manager Dyn Memory (Mb)      2.54        0.75        1.79  @ Buffer Object Usage (pages):                  In Use        Peak@   32-bit System Space Windows (S0/S1)              0           0@   64-bit System Space Windows (S2)                 0           0@   Physical pages locked by buffer objects          0           0  H Memory Reservations (pages):       Group    Reserved      In Use         TypeG   ORA_TEST_SGA                    SYSGBL           4           0  Page   TablecC   ORA_TEST_SGA                    SYSGBL        3840           0   r	 AllocatedS@   Total (30.03 Mbytes reserved)                 3844           0  H Swap File Usage (8KB pages):                   Index        Free         Size+   DISK$VMS_VMAL04:[SYS0.SYSEXE]SWAPFILE.SYSn=                                                    1         d 448         448   H Paging File Usage (8KB pages):                 Index        Free         Size+   DISK$VMS_VMAL04:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS,G                                                  254       25080       s 25080cH   Total committed paging file usage:                                     8664  F Of the physical pages in use, 4572 pages are permanently allocated to  OpenVMS.        1 can someone give me hints about what's going on ?' a lot of thanks.   reguards Nazim Manserl   email:nmanser@progis.deg     ----7c9e674594672dD Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="nmanser.vcf"; charset="iso-8859-1"7 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="nmanser.vcf"e1 Content-Description: Card for <nmanser@progis.de>r+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablef  
 begin=3Avcardj n=3AManser=3BNazim fn=3ANazim Mansern tel=3Bcell=3A+49 172 704 11 74G adr=3A=3B=3BChristburger str 38=3BBerlin=3BBerlin=3B10405=3BDeutschlandi version=3A2=2E1w( email=3Binternet=3Anmanser=40progis=2Ede( title=3ADipl-Ing (FH) Nachrichtentechnik end=3Avcards     ----7c9e674594672d--   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:41:16 -0500o1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>s% Subject: Re: oracle817 Problem on VMS 2 Message-ID: <3CAA4FAC.99704215@firstdbasource.com>  G The best place to start is www.metalink.oracle.com  if your company hasr- a CSI number you can create your own account.r  0 Your reserved shared memory is not big enough...  
 $MC SYSMAN& SYSMAN> RESERVE REMOVE ORA_PROJEKT_SGA? SYSMAN> RESERVE ADD ORA_PROJECT_SGA/SIZE=<n>/ALLOCATE/ZERO/PAGEb/ where <n> = Number of MB for Shared Global Areat   example:= SYSMAN> RESERVE ADD ORA_PROJECT_SGA/SIZE=8/ALLOCATE/ZERO/PAGEu  F reserves an 8MB global section.  See other info from Metalink below...   Nazim Manser wrote:e >  > Hi folks,  > < > I don't know if it is the right newsgroup to post, this is" > a ORACLE RDBMS problem under VMS > , > ORACLE RDBMS 8.1.7 Enterprise Edition (8i)! > alpha server 1000 , OpenVMS 7.3b- >> SVRMGR> Echo                            ONs0 > SVRMGR> spool ora_instance:startup_PROJEKT.log$ > SVRMGR> connect internal as sysdba > Connected.  > SVRMGR> startup open "PROJEKT"3 > ORA-27125: unable to create shared memory segmentiH > %SYSTEM-E-MRES_PFNSMALL, specified length is larger than reserved pre- > allocatedx > memory" > SVRMGR> Server Manager complete.   -- l Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163t7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.coms Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)n 704-236-4377 (Mobile)      From Metalink:  
   Doc ID:          Note:69301.1	 Subject: a         VMS: OpenVMS ORA-7690a         Troubleshooting Guidei Type:          PROBLEM  Status:          PUBLISHEDt  1                                    Content Type: e>                                                     TEXT/PLAIN2                                    Creation Date: ?                                                     27-MAR-1999r6                                    Last Revision Date:?                                                     16-MAY-2001S       Subject: ========  ' OpenVMS ORA-7690 Troubleshooting Guide.r     Description: ============  F This article explains many of the causes for getting an ORA-7690 errorH on instance startup.  This information is valid for OpenVMS Alpha RDBMS B versions 7.3.2.3.2 and higher, including Oracle 8.0.3.2 and 8.0.5.  3 Here is the full error text for the ORA-7690 error:i     $ OERR ORA 7690v   L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------0   07690, 00000, smscre: $CRMPSC_GDZRO_64 failure   ;   // *Cause:  VMS system service : $CRMPSC_GDZRO_64 failed.n;   // *Action: Examine system error message and refer to VMS 
 documentationn   L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  H This article has testing notes that use the OpenVMS V7.1 reserve memory F feature of the SYSMAN utility.  Testing was done using 7.3.3 and 8.0.5 on an % Alpha 4100 with 4GB of main memory.  o     Patches: --------  F Make sure you have these Compaq patches for OpenVMS installed on your # system to get the latest VLM fixes:e  #   ALPBASE02_071    Y2K Compliance  0   ALPSYSA02_071    SYSTEM  R%   ALPSHAD04_071    Volume Shadowing  i  F These Compaq ECOs were current when this article was written.  BecauseG the status of Compaq ECOs changes frequently as new versions supersede IA previous versions, Oracle recommends that you query each ECO, andg install D the latest version shown by your query.  To ensure that you have theE correct file, refer to the ECO note found on the page of each ECO your query. tG Generally, these notes list any ECO kits superseded by the most current  kit.     Key points:A -----------n   o The SGA always uses GBLPAGES.   * o The SGA always requires physical memory.  5 o If you reserve memory, the SGA still uses GBLPAGES.t  ? o If you reserve insufficient memory, an ORA-7690 error occurs.t  G o If you do not have enough free contiguous GBLPAGES, an ORA-7690 errors occurs.a  D o If you do not reserve memory, and do not have enough free physical memory,    an ORA-7690 error occurs.d  E o The generic formula for calculating the SGA size is low by 10%-20%.s  F o The amount of GBLPAGES you need is at least 50% larger than your SGA size.r  E o If you use the INIT.ORA parameter VLM_BACKING_STORAGE_FILE=TRUE, ite causes e   non-VLM behavior to occur.  E o If you are running 7.3.3.6, install patch 740905 to get a VMS errort code sG   displayed with the ORA-7690 error to assist you with troubleshooting.v  G If you have multiple database instances, add up all the SGA sizes, and  H calculate the GBLPAGES usage value.  Oracle recommends setting GBLPAGES G to at least 50% more than this calculation because the global sections hD require a contiguous chunk from the global page table, and the table becomes 4 fragmented over time (since the last system reboot).  I New OpenVMS errors in 8.0.5, or in 7.3.3.6 (with patch 740905 installed) kF are listed below.  These are some of the causes of the ORA-7690 error.F These same problems occur in 7.3.2.3.2 and 8.0.3.2, but the VMS error H does not display.  You only get the generic ORA-7690 error and you have   to manually analyze the problem.     Causes of ORA-7690:  -------------------.  
 PROBLEM 1:  H1 ORA-27125: unable to create shared memory segmentnB %SYSTEM-E-MRES_PFNSMALL, specified length is larger than reserved -                          pre-allocated memoryk  	 SOLUTION:s  H   o Reduce the SGA size using the INIT.ORA parameters DB_BLOCK_BUFFERS       or SHARED_POOL,t       or  2   o Increase your memory reservation for the SGA.   P ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    
 PROBLEM 2:  1 ORA-27125: unable to create shared memory segmentn> %SYSTEM-E-RESERVEDMEMUSED, specified reserved memory is in use    	 SOLUTION:g  C Use the VMS command SHOW DEVICE/FILES ORA_ROOT: to determine if any  ORA_TNS H processes are still connected to the database.  If so, delete them using the  VMS command STOP/ID=<pid>. c  B If you have used SHUTDOWN IMMEDIATE, and SHOW SYSTEM shows ORA_TNS
 processes : stuck in the RWAST state, review article [NOTE:1057396.6].     EXPLANATION:  : One or more user processes are still connected to the SGA.  O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M  
 PROBLEM 3:  1 ORA-27125: unable to create shared memory segmenta6 %SYSTEM-F-INSFLPGS, insufficient Fluid Pages available    	 SOLUTION:a  , 1.  Determine how much free memory you have:       1) $ SHOW MEMORY/PHYSICALiE     2) Take the Free Pages number and divide by 128 to get MegaBytes t        (MB) free.B       Example:     --------       $ SHOW MEMORY/PHYSICALD                   System Memory Resources on  8-MAR-2000 12:07:22.48  G     Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use   o     Modified=       Main Memory (4096.00Mb)         524288      389240       117832      	     17216a  G     Of the physical pages in use, 55273 pages are permanently allocated  to     OpenVMS.  !     $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 389240/128      3040  /     In this example, 3040 MB of memory is free.o  > 2.  Verify you have enough free memory to cover the following:  F     (SGA size in 8192 bytes pages + WSMAX internal value pages) < Free
     Pages   "     Get the value for WSMAX using:         $ MCR SYSGEN       SYSGEN> show WSMAX         SYSGEN>  SHOW WSMAX F       Parameter Name    Current    Default     Min.      Max.    Unit  DynamiciF       --------------    -------    -------    -------   -------  ----  ------- @       WSMAX              278528       4096      1024    8388608  Pagelets    @       internal value      17408        256        64     524288  Pages      C    H 3.  Reduce the SGA size using the INIT.ORA parameters DB_BLOCK_BUFFERS       or SHARED_POOL,u       or  9     Increase the physical memory available on the system.      EXPLANATION:  C You do not have sufficient physical memory to start this instance.    N ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  
 PROBLEM 4:  F A memory reservation is made for an instance, but it is not big enough for  the SGA.    	 ANALYSIS:e  A An ORA-7690 is returned, even though sufficient free GBLPAGES aren
 available.     $ SHOW MEMORY/RESERVEDB                 System Memory Resources on  9-MAY-1998 15:17:05.44  >   Memory Reservations (pages):                Reserved      In Use        TypenD   ORA_V73360_SGA                                   896           0  	 Allocated H   ORA_V73360_SGA                                     1           0  Page Table B   Total (7 Mb reserved)                            897           0  &   $ @ORA_DB:STARTUP_EXCLUSIVE_V73360DBA   %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of ORA_SID has been supersededa  6   Oracle Server Manager Release 2.3.3.0.0 - Production  C   Copyright (c) Oracle Corporation 1994, 1995. All rights reserved.   7   Oracle7 Server Release 7.3.3.6.0 - Production Releaset'   PL/SQL Release 2.3.3.6.0 - Production   ,   SVRMGR> Echo                            ON;   SVRMGR> spool ora_instance:startup_exclusive_V73360DB.log $   SVRMGR> connect internal as sysdba    Connected to an idle instance.!   SVRMGR> startup open "V73360DB"s-   ORA-07690: smscre: $CRMPSC_GDZRO_64 failuren"   SVRMGR> Server Manager complete.     SYSGEN>  SHOW GBLPAGESG   Parameter Name        Current    Default     Min.      Max.     Unit A Dynamic G   --------------        -------    -------    -------   -------   ----   ------- @   GBLPAGES              20000000      30720     10240         -1 Pagelets   D@    internal value        1250000       1920       640         -1 Pages      D   SYSGEN>  EXITa.   $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("free_gblpages")
   197763680   $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("contig_gblpages")
   19776336    	 SOLUTION:   E Remove the 7MB memory reservation, and add a new 8MB reservation withh the 
 same name:  '   SYSMAN> RESERVE REMOVE ORA_V73360_SGAC>   SYSMAN> RESERVE ADD ORA_V73360_SGA/SIZE=8/ALLOCATE/ZERO/PAGE  E This reserves 8MB for the SGA instead of 7MB.  Reboot your system for- this change to take effect.     : How to decode the output from SYSMAN RESERVE SHOW and SHOW MEMORY/RESERVED:     SYSMAN> RESERVE SHOW  4   %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node TPISYSG   Name                              Pages  In Use Group    PTs  Allocedo ZeroedG   ORA_V73360_SGA                     896        0 SYSGBL    No  Yes    L Yes G   ORA_V73360_SGA                       1        0 SYSGBL   Yes  Yes      No  u   $ SHOW MEMORY/RESERVED  B                 System Memory Resources on  9-MAY-1998 15:27:54.39  >   Memory Reservations (pages):                Reserved      In Use        Type D   ORA_V73360_SGA                                   896           0  	 AllocatednH   ORA_V73360_SGA                                     1           0  Page Table9B   Total (7 Mb reserved)                            897           0  B The number 896 is in 8 Kbyte Alpha pages.  To convert to pagelets,	 multiple S8 by 16. To convert to bytes, multiple by 16, then by 512.  1   $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 896*16   ! 512 byte pagelets-   14336    -(   $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 896*16*512  ! bytes   7340032  -  E Reboot the system if you remove/add memory reservations in SYSMAN for0 the F changes to take effect.  If you want to verify the memory reservation F settings that will be in effect on the next reboot, type out the file H SYS$SYSTEM:VMS$RESERVED_MEMORY.DATA.  You need VMS system privileges to F review or change this file.  Use the SYSTEM manager account for SYSMAN	 activity.o  ,   $ TYPE SYS$SYSTEM:VMS$RESERVED_MEMORY.DATA   ! VMS$RESERVED_MEMORY.DATA   ! Do NOT edit this fileG/   ! Modify with SYSMAN RESERVED_MEMORY commandss/   ! A = /ALLOCATE, Z = /ZERO, P = /PAGE_TABLES,_
   VERSION = 17E   !SIZE (MB) RESERVATION NAME                            GROUP  A Z PaE   8          ORA_V73360_SGA                              SYSGBL 1 1 1    !n  > The above verifies that an 8MB SGA is reserved after a reboot.  N ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  2
 PROBLEM 5:  C You reserve too much memory for the SGA and the alert log contains 0; informational warnings in ORA_DUMP:TPISYS_V73360_ALERT.LOG:   C   ** Reserved memory size = 8388608 greater than created SGA size =s
 7733248 **C   ** Please reduce reserved memory size to avoid wasting memory. **0    	 SOLUTION:5  "   o Reduce the memory reservation,       or     o Increase your SGA,         or  /   o If the amount is small, leave it unchanged.     % 1.  Before you startup your instance:        (1) Check the following:       $ SHOW MEMORY/RESERVEDD                   System Memory Resources on  9-MAY-1998 15:48:18.99  >     Memory Reservations (pages):              Reserved      In Use        Type D     ORA_V73360_SGA                                1024           0  	 Allocated H     ORA_V73360_SGA                                   1           0  Page Table B     Total (8 Mb reserved)                         1025           0  &     (2) Manually compute the SGA size:  E     To approximate the size of the SGA (Shared Global Area), use the a     following formula:  =         ((db_block_buffers * block size) + shared_pool_size +C log_buffers) /.9       $ SET DEFAULT ORA_DB7     $ SEARCH *.ORA DB_BLOCK,SHARED_POOL_SIZE,LOG_BUFFER G     db_block_buffers = 550                                            #  MEDIUMG     shared_pool_size = 5000000                                        #  MEDIUMG     log_buffer = 32768                                                # 	 MEDIUM      <     550*2048 + 5000000 + 32768  = 6159168 / .9 =~  6,843,520    D 2.  Startup your instance and check the actual parameters and usage:  ?     (1) The actual SGA size is larger, by a significant amount:t       SVRMGR> SHOW SGA6     Total System Global Area             7684796 bytes6     Fixed Size                             57652 bytes6     Variable Size                        6467976 bytes6     Database Buffers                     1126400 bytes6     Redo Buffers                           32768 bytes  8     The above estimate was 841276 bytes low, or 10% low!  A     (2) Divide the total by 0.8 and you get a better estimate of           7,698,960 bytes.  1     (3) Compute the size in MegaBytes for SYSMAN:1  D     Size to reserve (in MB) = ((Total SGA size / 1024)  / 1024) + 1     & 3.  After you run AUTOGEN and reboot,   +     (1) Check the memory reservation usage:e       $ SHOW MEMORY/RESERVEDB                 System Memory Resources on  9-MAY-1998 15:59:21.37  >     Memory Reservations (pages):              Reserved      In Use        Type0D     ORA_V73360_SGA                                1024         945  	 AllocatedeH     ORA_V73360_SGA                                   1           1  Page TablecB     Total (8 Mb reserved)                         1025         946  H     (2) Compute the amount of memory wasted in bytes.  The above output D         shows 8K Alpha pages.  There are 16 512-byte pagelets in one Alpha          8K page. S  ?     $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 1024-945   ! Equals 79 8K pages not used G     $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 79*16*512  ! or 79*8192, either way works to getB to bytes   6     647168 bytes are wasted; this is not significant.   A     (3) Convert the actual SGA usage in bytes to Alpha 8KB pages:   >     $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 7733248/512  ! get to 512 byte pagelets$     15104                           ?     $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 15104/16     ! now to 8Kbyte Alpha pagesa     944e  D     Or, just divide the total bytes (7733248) by 8192 and add one to round      up to 945.  tO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 7  
 PROBLEM 6:  @ The database instance startup is using GBLPAGES, even though you	 reserved : memory for the SGA.=    	 ANALYSIS:   E This is expected behavior.  Both GBLPAGES and VMS physical memory ared used o when the SGA is created.     Check on GBLPAGES usage.    . 1.  Before you startup your database instance:  0     $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("free_gblpages")     19776368  (     $ @ORA_DB:STARTUP_EXCLUSIVE_V73360DB#     SVRMGR> startup open "V73360DB"g     ORACLE instance started.6     Total System Global Area             7684796 bytes6     Fixed Size                             57652 bytes6     Variable Size                        6467976 bytes6     Database Buffers                     1126400 bytes6     Redo Buffers                           32768 bytes     Database mounted.e     Database opened.  0 2.  After your database instance has started up:  4     (1) $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("free_gblpages")         19761168  @     (2) $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 19776368-19761168  ! GBLPAGES used by instance startup         15200  r  -     (3) $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 15200*512  ! bytesx         782400  "     (4) $ INSTALL LIST/GLOBAL/FULL           System Global Sections  4 ORA_V73360_SGA   (00000000) WRT     DZRO PRM SYS     Pgltcnt/Refcnt=15120/9450 7  Memory Resident                    Shared Page Tables:s Pgltcnt/Refcnt=16/11)                Owner:       [MGR,ORACLE7] ,                Protection:  S:RW,O:RW,G:R,W:#                Access Control List:S7                  (IDENTIFIER=ORA_SGA,ACCESS=READ+WRITE)o  G         Note that this global section is marked as "MEMORY RESIDENT".   A         This is the mechanism for using the new 64-bit P2 addresso space.  E         It is also using the memory reservation as you can see in ther         next step.       (5) $ SHOW MEMORY/RESERVED R@               System Memory Resources on  9-MAY-1998 16:47:36.93  G Memory Reservations (pages):                Reserved      In Use       w TypeB ORA_V73360_SGA                                  1024         945  	 Allocated F ORA_V73360_SGA                                     1           1  Page Table:@ Total (8 Mb reserved)                           1025         946  N ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  
 PROBLEM 7:  B You enabled the INIT.ORA parameter VLM_BACKING_STORAGE_FILE=TRUE.     	 SOLUTION:   F Remove the VLM_BACKING_STORAGE_FILE parameter from your INIT.ORA file.@ When the parameter is not in your INIT.ORA file, it defaults to < false, which gives the 64-bit high performance VLM behavior.     EXPLANATION:  E When VLM_BACKING_STORAGE_FILE=TRUE, a global section backing storage eG file is created in the ORA_DB directory.  This file is used instead of g physical memory.  ; This basically reverts to the 7.3.2.3.0 non-VLM behavior:  n  "   $ DIRECTORY/SIZE ORA_DB:*SGA.ORA  4   Directory DISK$ORADISK1:[ORACLEV73360.DB_V73360DB]      ORA_V73360_SGA.ORA;1     15104     $ INSTALL LIST/GLOBAL/FULL:   4   ORA_V73360_SGA   (00000000) WRT     DZRO PRM SYS   Pgltcnt/Refcnt=15104/9440 +                  Owner:       [MGR,ORACLE7]e0                  Protection:  S:RWD,O:RWD,G:R,W:%                  Access Control List: 9                    (IDENTIFIER=ORA_SGA,ACCESS=READ+WRITE)   G The main difference between this global section and the global section -I created with VLM_BACKING_STORAGE_FILE=FALSE, is that this global section  H is not "MEMORY RESIDENT", and the SYSMAN memory reservation is not used:     $ SHOW MEMORY/RESERVEDB                 System Memory Resources on  9-MAY-1998 17:00:34.96  >   Memory Reservations (pages):                Reserved      In Use        TypesD   ORA_V73360_SGA                                  1024           0  	 AllocatedAH   ORA_V73360_SGA                                     1           0  Page TableeB   Total (8 Mb reserved)                           1025           0  N ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  h   References:t ===========e   [NOTE:1057396.6]  C o  Oracle7 Release 7.3.3 for Alpha OpenVMS Installation Guide, PartO Number nA    A55205-01, Page 1-25 "Using the Reserved Memory Registry", ands Appendix C s/    "Introduction to the Oracle 64-bit Feature."o  B o  DIGITAL Technical Journal, April 25, 1997, Design of the 64-bit Option for e5    the Oracle7 Relational Database Management System.s     Additional Search Words: ========================  ! vms ORA-07690 7690 07690 start up  .y    8   Copyright (c) 1995,2000 Oracle Corporation. All Rights+   Reserved. Legal Notices and Terms of Use.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:51:09 GMTc3 From: sy18889@rabbit.fmr.com (Bradford J. Hamilton)GB Subject: Possible (mis)behavior of sys$manager:utc_time_setup.com?. Message-ID: <NYnq8.18$M3.47@news-srv1.fmr.com>  
 Hello All,   I used sys$manager:utc$time_setup.com to set up time zone & tdf information for this coming weekend on my Alpha 7.3 box.  AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is set to "1".  This is what the information looked like before I rebooted my box:  6 RABBIT::SYSTEM  $ @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM SHOW   AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is set to "1".? OpenVMS will automatically change to/from Daylight Saving Time.s, (in timezones that use Daylight Saving Time)  <     LOCAL TIME ZONE          = EASTERN / US -- STANDARD TIME6     LOCAL SYSTEM TIME        =  2-APR-2002 14:20:32.47$                                (EST)$     TIME DIFFERENTIAL FACTOR = -5:00<     TIME ZONE RULE           = EST5EDT4,M4.1.0/02,M10.4.0/02  - After I rebooted the box, this is what I see:f  2 RABBIT::SY18889 $ @sys$manager:utc$time_setup show   AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is set to "1".? OpenVMS will automatically change to/from Daylight Saving Time.a, (in timezones that use Daylight Saving Time)1 The logical name SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE is not defined 1 The logical name SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME is not definedm< The logical name SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING is not defined  <     LOCAL TIME ZONE          = EASTERN / US -- STANDARD TIME6     LOCAL SYSTEM TIME        =  2-APR-2002 14:32:47.59!                                ()S$     TIME DIFFERENTIAL FACTOR = -5:00     TIME ZONE RULE           =   Please note that the "TIME ZONE RULE" is blank, and that there is no (EST) indicator ater the "LOCAL SYSTEM TIME".  Note also the warnings about logical namesnot being set.   How do I preserve this information across system reboots?  Is this expected behavior?  The FAQ contains hints, but nothing definite regaring the logicals.   Thanks,r Bradford J. Hamilton& MAPSbradhamilton@MAPSattbi.com		(home)& sy18889MAPS@rabbit.MAPSfmr.com		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"S "Lose the MAPS"c   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Apr 2002 03:33:33 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it- Message-ID: <87sn6dsxo2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>~  - "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> writes:h  F > >>> As for HP buying into the Compaq professional services business,D > it literally doesn't exist anymore. They (Compaq) have had massiveE > layoffs and are rejecting new business. I think the few that remainiC > in senior positions, are posturing for as comfortable a fall from  > grace as possible.<<<M  R% > Wow, where did that fud come from? m  = It came from some one who was with DEC 20 years ago. You knows the Pak Generater? He wrote it.e    > ROTFL ...   7 Don't laught, it is even grimer over  here in the west.    -- 2< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:31:17 -0500+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> 2 Subject: RE: Predictions - just for the hell of itT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1E0B@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Paul,a  D Again, I have no idea of what the business conditions are or how theA global IT downturn has impacted Australia, but portraying what is4D happening at a specific country level as something that is happening0 corporate wide is neither fair or even accurate.   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660t Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----6 From: Paul Repacholi [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com]=20 Sent: April 2, 2002 2:34 PM~ To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com~2 Subject: Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it    - "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> writes:u  F > >>> As for HP buying into the Compaq professional services business,G > it literally doesn't exist anymore. They (Compaq) have had massive=20 H > layoffs and are rejecting new business. I think the few that remain in  I > senior positions, are posturing for as comfortable a fall from grace=20  > as possible.<<<  =20 $ > Wow, where did that fud come from?  E It came from some one who was with DEC 20 years ago. You know the Pak  Generater? He wrote it.  =20  > ROTFL ...d  7 Don't laught, it is even grimer over  here in the west.:   --=20X< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. E                                              West Australia 6076 Raw,.G Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. EPIC, The Architecture of the ( future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:46:30 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>V2 Subject: Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it, Message-ID: <3CAA26AA.E39FD9D0@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Paul,Z > F > Again, I have no idea of what the business conditions are or how theC > global IT downturn has impacted Australia, but portraying what is F > happening at a specific country level as something that is happening2 > corporate wide is neither fair or even accurate.  H Nor is it accurate to project your positive experiences for the whole ofI Digital. You seem to be a star player very much in demand and you get theIK crme de la crme of projects. But outside of that, can you really say that$H other folks are seing such positive work/developments on the VMS scene ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:33:01 -0800+ From: Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU>_2 Subject: Re: Predictions - just for the hell of itP Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0204021331250.22397-100000@shiva1.cac.washington.edu>    On 2 Apr 2002, Alan Greig wrote:R > Helpfully Gordon Bell has made available DEC's suicide note on his Microsoft web	 > site atNI > http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/VAX%20Strategy%20c1979.pdfa  ' Funniest comment in the whole document:s  6 "VMS and TOPS 20 have roughly the same functionality."  1 VMS never did match the functionality of TOPS-20.   
 -- Mark --   http://staff.washington.edu/mrc F Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:05:18 -0500+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> 2 Subject: RE: Predictions - just for the hell of itT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1E10@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,   H >>> But outside of that, can you really say that other folks are seing =5 such positive work/developments on the VMS scene ?<<<8  E Well, fwiw, I do know of some large VAX to Alpha migration projects =rD going on in the US (as well as Canada) and I do see the weekly WIN =J reports (and this does not include all partner stuff), so I can say that =B there is lots of stuff going on around the globe with respect to = OpenVMS.  0 Is it better today than a year ago ? Don't know.  G Is it busy all over? I doubt it. As previous replies have stated, the =nI global IT downturn after 9/11 has impacted everyone in the services and = H consulting business, but, imho, that is not something that is specific =' to OpenVMS (or Compaq for that matter).y  > What types of OpenVMS work do I see from a Compaq perspective?  I - IT consolidation (servers, databases, applications...all migrating to =EG SAN's, big bonus if you can do multi-platform). Potential opportunity =OB for tools to help automate consolidate servers (merging sysuafs, =- identifying duplicate and expired names etc). J - VAX to Alpha (for some reason, these seem to be popping up quite a bit = these days)dG - SAN integration and design (anyone can install a SAN - the real $'s =~J kick in when the Cust Service guy turns to the Cust and says "how do you => want it configured?". Need to understand current performance =, bottlenecks, current read/write ratio's etc)G - multi-site clusters (Oracle 8i OPS or Rdb is what most Cust's still = J using, but a few are kicking the tires with 9i) are big as 9/11 has made =1 lots of Cust's start thinking about availability. D - security .. Again, 9/11 and recent hacker/virus attacks has made =  everyone extremely sensitive.=20  > As an example: US Govt:"Defense Dept. seeks IT spending boost") http://news.com.com/2100-1001-870547.html   G - Middleware integration (BEA, IONA CSWS .. Other platforms are doing =rA WebSphere and to much smaller degree iPlanet). This is the "Web = J Services" war between J2EE and .Net. Key benefit for Cust's is that they =I don't have big $'s for major projects so this is a way to integrate old =eG technologies and database sources with new technologies (App servers, =  web enabling etc)l   Anyway, just my $.02 ..    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantd Compaq Canada Corp.e Professional Servicesl Voice: 613-592-4660o Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]=20G Sent: April 2, 2002 4:47 PMs To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 Subject: Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it     "Main, Kerry" wrote: >=20 > Paul,  >=20I > Again, I have no idea of what the business conditions are or how the=20 F > global IT downturn has impacted Australia, but portraying what is=20I > happening at a specific country level as something that is happening=20t2 > corporate wide is neither fair or even accurate.  J Nor is it accurate to project your positive experiences for the whole of =G Digital. You seem to be a star player very much in demand and you get = E the cr=E8me de la cr=E8me of projects. But outside of that, can you = J really say that other folks are seing such positive work/developments on = the VMS scene ?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:29:02 -05001 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> ! Subject: Selling: DS10L's NEW !!!,/ Message-ID: <uakq55msc44t57@news.supernews.com>e   In stock  # DS10L New with 1 Yr Island Warrantyo 512MB Island Memory  High Speed CDROM and Floppyo Dual 10/100 Ethernet Dual IDE Dual Serial Port  ) $1899 per system  (ship weight is 30Lb's)/  G Or the same as above with 9GB SCSI Ultra 2 + Ctr and VMS Keyboard $24997  ' Biggy the memory for an additional $500      -- Island Computers US Corp.T 2700 Gregory StreetS Savannah GA 31404  Toll Free: 1-877 636 43329 International: 001 912 447 6622S  Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 dbturner@hpaq.neta www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 02 11:36:05 PST  From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com = Subject: Re: Spring Forward, Fall Back - unfortunately not :-p( Message-ID: <E2I9MJiiU0zf@cpva.saic.com>  E In article <3CA8657A.60400@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: J > Yes, that was my impression too. That way we can combine the advantages G > of DTSS with the use of a NTP timeserver. Maybe Hoff can tell us how i > this is done ?  H You might find Wolfgang Moeller's experiences with the DTSS$NTP_PROVIDERE software interesting... the following 2 lines need to be concatenated50 to produce the URL for his old posting to c.o.v.  : http://groups.google.com/groups?q=DTSS+AND+NTP+AND+Moeller5 &hl=en&selm=E10crHX-0006bI-00%40gwdu12.gwdg.de&rnum=2   A My (limited) testing indicated that this strategy is succesful...~   >  > Martin Vorlaender wrote: > , >>Bart Zorn (B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl) wrote: >>H >>>AFAIK, when you have DTSS running, it takes control of the clock. NTP" >>>can't change the time any more. >>>b >>I >>That is not strictly true. While the NTP TCP/IP service won't work withrE >>DTSS in effect (or any other software that tries to use the $SETIMEaI >>system service), one could write a time provider for DTSS that utilizes9E >>NTP. AFAIK, this has been done - I just can't remember the details.  >> >>cu,0
 >>  Martin >> >    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2002 15:46:57 -0800s& From: chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG), Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.0A no longer supported?= Message-ID: <dd3f0cb7.0204021546.1692d41d@posting.google.com>   F If this is true I guess I should upgrade my 7.2-1 systems.  Is there aC downloadable kit to upgrade to 7.2-2 (if so where?) or do I need tobD order a CD? (part number?).  I'm assuming I'd have to pay an upgrade* license fee to upgrade my systems to V7.3.  L Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<3CA944D1.5040801@home.nl>...I > Could wel be. TCPIP V5.0A is a part of VMS V7.2-1, and that version is 4* > (or will be) no longer supported either.D > An upgrade to VMS V7.2.2, which is basically V7.2.1 with a lot of 5 > patches, will also include a upgrade to TCPIP V5.1.e > < > There are two supported VMS 7.x versions, V7.2.2 and V7.3.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:29:17 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger), Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.0A no longer supported?K Message-ID: <rdeininger-0204021929180001@1cust233.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>R  = In article <dd3f0cb7.0204021546.1692d41d@posting.google.com>,b' chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) wrote:l  G >If this is true I guess I should upgrade my 7.2-1 systems.  Is there a D >downloadable kit to upgrade to 7.2-2 (if so where?) or do I need toE >order a CD? (part number?).  I'm assuming I'd have to pay an upgrade + >license fee to upgrade my systems to V7.3._  J Media kits for V7.2-2 were about $15 the last I checked.  The kit includesH the usual system integrated products.  My reading of the license is that, no upgrade fee is required for 7.2 -> 7.2-2.  H The media kit for V7.3 was not cheap, and you need to pay an upgrade feeI (or have appropriate software maintenance) to upgrade to a "dot" release.m  9 License terms vary, so you should check your own license.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:21:00 +0200p- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>l2 Subject: TCPIP: no new default route when IP is ON' Message-ID: <3CAA9E98.22CE2CC9@Free.fr>n  O I sadly discovered that TCPIP V5.1 (before, I do not know) does not accept, via O the TCPIP$CONFIG menu, that a new default route be declared when it is running.sB There is no warning, no nothing, but the new route is not updated.  O I had to stop TCPIP, update the default route, then restart it to make it work.   S I think that a test should be added in the tcpip$config procedure to warn the user.A  K I know that I should use the "normal" SPR way to submit this to COMPAQ, but J after tenth of inquiries, I still do not know how to do it electronically.  ) I read the FAQ. MGMT28 should be updated.   % Bob is not my uncle, this morning :-(C, (btw, where does this expression come from?)   D. -- aH   ----------------------------------------------------------------------H MORANDI Consultants  -  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.htmlH Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 (0)79 705 4670H 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.  GSM: +33 (0)6 7983 6418  H Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS ExpertiseH On parle franais Man spricht Deutsch se habla Castellano English spoken   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:22:43 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64. Message-ID: <7ynq8.159930$af7.76963@rwcrnsc53>  A "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in messageO* news:3CA9D765.CCC5D6BE@blueyonder.co.uk... >A >0 > "Doc.Cypher" wrote:t >R > >eL > > As I see it, the biggest problem with VMS is the perceived commitment ofF > > the current, and potential owners. Compaq should be shot for their failure K > > to market the OS, and HP have been silent about it suggesting they willi > > follow this lead.= >=E > Realistically, if they WANT to turn VMS around, they are gonna haveyC > to get down on their knees and grovel about how much of a mistake  > affinity etc was.U  L To be fair, Rich Marcello did just this a couple of years ago. Of course, heD has moved on to bigger and better (for the moment, anyhow) things...   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:21:10 GMT$4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64. Message-ID: <Gwnq8.154042$Yv2.47078@rwcrnsc54>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CA88112.F314303E@videotron.ca... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:O( > > What happens to DII-COE commitments? >nK > As long as HP continues to provide support for those who have signed suchhK > contracts, does stopping development and sales of VMS break that contract- ?AK > From what marcello said during a customer presentation, it wouldn't. (eg: J > DII-CEO is a contract to ensure yoru current infrastructure continues to be supported).  B Good question. I suppose that if the current incarnation of VMS isK maintained, there shouldn't be a problem. But that's a question best put toD Compaq.    >t? > > What happens to the $2B or so in revenue that VMS drags in?n >iK > Ahh, but this is where  ATNG comes into play. They will convert customersZ to  > HP products that will survive.  I JF, you know as well as I do that many (most?) VMS customers who have theTK carpet pulled out from under them will run, not walk, to IBM and will neverD  be seen again! By HP/Q, that is!   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:30:33 GMTI4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64. Message-ID: <tFnq8.154067$Yv2.47063@rwcrnsc54>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CA5D20D.EA97DC37@videotron.ca... > John Smith wrote:hL > > Given past managerial decisions by Compaq, which were really more in theI > > mis-management vein, it's not beyond the plausible that VMS will havec itshJ > > throat slit in the next 6 weeks. It wouldn't surprise me in the least. >eI > The decision has already been made. The integration team has supposedly- grown G > to 1000 people. But until the real plan is made public, Compaq has to. *act* asG > if all products were to survive, and must *act* to appear to still bes > competing against HP.M >,F > I would not be surprised if the EV7 machines are on hold pending the releaseq > of the product roadmap.n  I The last would come as a very big surprise to me given some of the things ' that are going on internally right now.   - But then again, I have been surprised before!,   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:32:55 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64? Message-ID: <HHnq8.180906$uA5.147557@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>r  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:M21q8.27801$09u.27759@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3CA8939D.CDFE4ECA@videotron.ca... > >WK > > It makes sense if one is out to consolidate product lines and eliminateh8 > > product overlaps. VMS overlaps both tandem and unix. > >aL > > It makes sense if one is told that it would be possible to retain a good@ > > portion of the VMS customers by proceeding in a certain way. > >5F > > Carly has made a lot of promises. The minute she realises that the
 > integration,G > > isn't going smoothly, she will start to play musical chairs, layoff  > additionalJ > > staff and cut additional products to rationalise the company and focus on > itsm > > core incompetancies. >pL > The one other thing that will kill VMS if Compaq/HP doesn't do it first isK > that now there is are only two commercially viable RDBMS that are sold to6I > run on VMS, Rdb and Oracle, both sold by Oracle Corp. Sybase has killedeL > their ASE product on VMS. DB2 doesn't run on VMS. Informix doesn't. IngresJ > doesn't. Not that every use of VMS is RDBMS dependent, but a huge number > are. > F > So now a huge part of the VMS lifeboat is controlled by a 3rd party.  A Indeed it is. In fact, one of the things that kept the VMS-on-IPFtI strategists up at night was getting an Oracle endorsement (which has beeno gotten, by the way).    L Methinks the Oracle buy-in is part of the quid-pro-quo involved in the Huron Project (Oracle 9i RAC)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:28:04 GMTf4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64> Message-ID: <8Dnq8.157443$ZR2.71712@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:CP%p8.21671$dVT.18447@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > > > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message6 > news:SAlp8.44336$44.17564538@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net... > >tJ > > A long, long time ago, US Department of Health, Education, and Welfare Joe-H > > Califano called cigarette smoking "slow-motion suicide." Killing VMS wouldo. > > be a far more rapid means to the same end. > > ( > > What happens to DII-COE commitments? > >v? > > What happens to the $2B or so in revenue that VMS drags in?I > >  >i > Terry, >hK > Hate to say this, but your arguments assume rational behavior on the parta of% > Compaq management. Need I say more?t   No, and you are correct.   >tJ > No, it would not be rational for Compaq/HP to kill VMS, but that's neverK > stopped Compaq/Digital and even HP from doing some bonehead thing. NoticeiI > that there has never been any comments from HP during the course of therK > leadup to the merger vote on VMS by HP, but there has been on EVERY othert > platform that Compaq offers. >oF > Don't you think that having Carly (not that she has much credibility either),L > offer some soothing words about the fate of VMS would have gone a long wayB > in dispelling any doubts about the future of VMS? Instead we get
 resounding > silence on the matter.   I agree with you 100 percent.r   >,J > Given the number of Compaq-types that lurk/contribute in this ng in someJ > official/semi-official/non-official capacity, do you think it's possibleK > that word of customer concerns regarding the fate of VMS have not reachede > senior management at Compaq?  L For a variety of reasons which I won't go into in this forum, I believe it'sK quite likely that the Grand Frobozzes know not what's going on in the fieldg and on the streets.p  ) > How much credibility does senior Compaq-D > management have in this ng, which is arguably visited/used by many	 customersy= > that Compaq would consider to be major/strategic customers?l  L Since senior Compaq management does not frequent this ng, they have precious' little credibility. Rightly or wrongly.f   >, > Figure it out:G > - Compaq management has little to no credibility with many customers;SJ > - no offense to the VMS engineering staff, but they just do what they'reL > told - they don't set policy, so their comments in the ng on the future ofG > VMS, while well intentioned, are not official (yes, we're supposed tohI > believe Compaq senior management, but we don't - with good reason too -pK > remember the old adage... "Lie to me once, shame on you. Lie to me twice,o > shame on me."); J > - HP will be wearing the pants in the merged company (if it happens) andG > they have offered 'No Comment' on the future of VMS - a seemingly 'Wet cannotJ > confirm nor deny that VMS has any future', yet they see fit to pronounceI > life or death on other Compaq products prior to the consummation.of theiJ > merger, so it isn't the SEC 'quiet period' that's keeping pronouncements > about VMS from surfacing.f >) >oJ > As to DII-COE - it's just a piece of paper, and would be subject to someF > negotiation to make it go away. All they'd really have to do is say, 'We'llB > port the code for you at no charge". They'll have a big servicesI > organization that's partially sitting on its thumbs through the current = > corporate spending slowdown to put to work. Problem solved.s >oJ > As to the $X billion in VMS revenue with $Y million profit...it would be fareL > easier to exit the consumer PC market and cut the hemorrhaging at that end6 > of the business, but they have not done that either. >cK > It takes time for customers to move from VMS to unix (whether it's HP/UX,kK > AIX, Solaris, Linux), so they'll still have maintenance revenue, but theytI > won't have to invest in major new development efforts. They can put VMSt into8 > maintenance mode and cut the engineering staff by 2/3. >1G > Killing VMS is one of those things that doesn't make sense, but I bett it'llr > happen anyway. >   K I hope you are wrong, but far be it from me to bet against the possibility.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:42:12 GMTf4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64> Message-ID: <oQnq8.157490$ZR2.72043@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CA8939D.CDFE4ECA@videotron.ca... > John Smith wrote:KI > > Killing VMS is one of those things that doesn't make sense, but I beto it'lli > > happen anyway. >2I > It makes sense if one is out to consolidate product lines and eliminateP6 > product overlaps. VMS overlaps both tandem and unix.  I Depends on how you look at it. VMS is (arguably) more reliable than Unix,nE and definitely less reliable than the NSK fault-tolerant environment.,   >pJ > It makes sense if one is told that it would be possible to retain a good> > portion of the VMS customers by proceeding in a certain way. >rD > Carly has made a lot of promises. The minute she realises that the integration E > isn't going smoothly, she will start to play musical chairs, layoff 
 additionalK > staff and cut additional products to rationalise the company and focus on  its  > core incompetancies.   Deja vu all over again...    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:45:25 GMT04 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64. Message-ID: <pTnq8.154106$Yv2.46305@rwcrnsc54>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CA9B06D.8B1D6070@videotron.ca... > Alan Greig wrote:oJ > > An interesting phrase given that I am led to believe that both RichardF > > George and Rich Marcello knew "the right data" by that point.. YetE > > still I was told by their underlings "over Compaq's commitment toSD > > Alpha. there is no question as far as we are concerned regarding > > Compaq's commitment "l >  > G > But did they explicitely state that the commitment was to continue to- develop-D > Alpha ? Perhaps to them, there was no question as far as they were	 concernedr- > that Compaq was committed to Alpha's death.   B EV7 is developed, EV79 is just a shrink (albeit a rather intensive
 undertaking).   E If EV7 was scuttled, there would be no new platform for VMS until IPF K systems ship, and nothing for the consolidated UNIX until similar platformsaD shipped. This would for sure leave Tru64 and VMS users in the lurch. >oI > Of course, at the time you read those emails, you saw "commitment" as a J > commitment to continue Alpha. But in hindsight, their selection of words wasg > quite interesting.  I Well, it all depends on what the meaning of the word "commitment" is. ;-}I   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:35:45 GMTs4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64? Message-ID: <lKnq8.180914$uA5.148152@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>a  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:ibBFTz6dkDqx@eisner.encompasserve.org...rK > In article <xM5q8.374181$uv5.31693136@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Billy& Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > >r >r >S. > >> http://news.com.com/2100-1001-275878.html > >>K > >> "In my agency within the U.S. Department of Defense, we make extensive- use- > > ofI > >> HP 3000 systems," said Tim O'Neill, of the U.S. Army's Aberdeen Test. > > Center.jI > >> "One certainty for our agency is that if they eliminate the 3000, we1 will > > then( > >> act to eliminate our 9000s as well. > >>K > >> "If HP thinks we will 'migrate' from MPE to HP-UX, they are mistaken,"( he	 > > said,rF > >> referring to the operating systems associated with the two server lines. > >>E > >> Sour grapes on his part?  Maybe he isn't relishing all the extraw8 > >> work ($$$) involved to come off MPE.  See 3) above. > >> > >> === > >>E > >> The VMS user base is 10 times the size of MPE.  HP/Compaq surelyr= > >> wouldn't want to generate 10 times as many Tim O'Neills.l > >.J > > Surely?  Given that Compaq has likely *already* generated well over 10 timeshH > > as many Tim O'Neills by first scrubbing NT on Alpha (after earnestly' > > affirming its long-term commitment)2 >:5 > I came across one Alpha NT box in the last 6 years.eC > How many people were actually using it?  Any idea about installedrA > base size?  It couldn't have amounted to much and probably maden. > the decision to scratch it that much easier.  K I have some 1998 numbers ratholed away someplace. IIRC NT went out on 15-25e; percent of Alpha boxes, most of which were low-end systems.a  E The decision to scuttle was influenced by the fact that AlphaNT sales(J declined from ~15 percent of Alpha sales just prior to the CPQ acquisition& to less than 2 percent 7 months later.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:41:47 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>lN Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64, Message-ID: <3CAA1783.2C09DA98@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:aK > JF, you know as well as I do that many (most?) VMS customers who have theyM > carpet pulled out from under them will run, not walk, to IBM and will nevera" > be seen again! By HP/Q, that is!  L That was the case during the first 2 stages of the VMS erosion (end of Ken OK and Palmer's reign). But I am not sure that what is left of VMS would reactcJ that way. What is left of the VMS customer base have chosen to stay on VMSI because it is superior for now, even though they are fully aware that its ! existance was always in question.t  L What is left of VMS is less likely to make emotional decisions. And they areL more likely to already be multi-vendor, probably including much HP equipment8 since HP was seen as another quality vendor in the past.  M If you have a very big investment to make, accountants may have the final sayfF and your emotional "fuck HP" may not go far, especially if HP providesK financial incentives that make porting to HP/UX of Tandem much cheaper than  porting to IBM or Solaris.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:49:33 -0500-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64, Message-ID: <3CAA1954.388EC797@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:0G > The decision to scuttle was influenced by the fact that AlphaNT salesCL > declined from ~15 percent of Alpha sales just prior to the CPQ acquisition( > to less than 2 percent 7 months later.  L If your sales force streets potential Alpha-NT customers to wintel hardware,N then of course Alpha-NT sales will drop and you'll have what you want on paper) to justify the decision to kill Alpha-NT.I   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:34:36 -0500m1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>sN Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-642 Message-ID: <3CAA15DC.4362A48B@firstdbasource.com>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  <stuff snipped>d  tC > Indeed it is. In fact, one of the things that kept the VMS-on-IPFeK > strategists up at night was getting an Oracle endorsement (which has beent > gotten, by the way). > N > Methinks the Oracle buy-in is part of the quid-pro-quo involved in the Huron > Project (Oracle 9i RAC)o    F I had an Oracle Rep just last week tell me that 9iRAC was not going toC be certified on OpenVMS... she was demonstrating 9iRAC on Tru64  --r@ which was very impressive. And to that end, the Oracle web page:G >http://www.oracle.com/ip/std_infrastructure/cc/index.html?content.htmlh  E look under certified configurations -- seems to have either forgotten-F that 9iRAC was supposed to be certified - or they are saying one thing6 and doing another which is contrary to the statement: C "9iRAC (database) will be available on OpenVMS at the end Septemberr
 2001." at:< >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/solutions/oracle/monthQs.html  C I guess there is a difference of being available and certified on ah particular platform.  H The golf was also very good with the weather in low 60's last week in NCG - our team came in 2nd, the Oracle Reps team came in 1st. Although, our D team had an Oracle rep as well...  I guess these guys spend a lot of time on the links :)   -- I Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163 7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comD Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)h 704-236-4377 (Mobile)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:42:12 GMTh* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64C Message-ID: <EIoq8.206972$2q2.17858271@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>a  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:xolq8.34908$09u.18711@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > Kerry, >MF > I know all this.  I've been using VMS since 1980, and other DEC gear before > that.   J Kerry is well aware of the problems you note:  they've been cited time andI time and time again.  But his job is not to correct them, but to convincea5 customers that they really aren't problems after all.h   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:32:26 -0500+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>tN Subject: RE: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1E0E@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  E >>> Kerry is well aware of the problems you note:  they've been citedlF time and time and time again.  But his job is not to correct them, butD to convince customers that they really aren't problems after all.<<<  G And Bill's unofficial job is to ensure any discussion in this newsgroupg8 that does not support his negative views are trashed.=20  H I don't pretend that the world is all rosy, but it does have some bright8 spots that one does need to appreciate at various times.     Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant- Compaq Canada Corp.0 Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660n Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----2 From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20 Sent: April 2, 2002 3:42 PMa To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com"H Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64t      . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:xolq8.34908$09u.18711@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > Kerry, > F > I know all this.  I've been using VMS since 1980, and other DEC gear before > that.   F Kerry is well aware of the problems you note:  they've been cited timeD and time and time again.  But his job is not to correct them, but to> convince customers that they really aren't problems after all.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:48:57 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>sN Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64, Message-ID: <3CAA273D.99C2EA01@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:J > I don't pretend that the world is all rosy, but it does have some bright: > spots that one does need to appreciate at various times.  K Yeah, but you seem to be hoarding all the bright spots and leaving none for  the rest of us :--) :-)i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:56:11 -0500+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>eN Subject: RE: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1E0F@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Mike,-  B There is a tad bit of marketing and mis-understanding going on. My: understanding, and willing to be corrected, is as follows:  F Certified (in this contect) and fully supported are different animals,. but one does need to understand what they are.  
 Reference:F http://www.oracle.com/ip/std_infrastructure/cc/index.html?content.html  D A "certified configuration" (as per the above url)is a configurationH that is tested and fully supported environment by Oracle with a one partB number order of preconfigured HW vendor equipment (no changes) andE Oracle software (30 day loaner type licenses). This is useful for newo0 environments where one is starting from scratch.  ? A "supported and certified" configuration is a tested and fullygD supported environment by Oracle where the Customer and the HW vendor? determine the HW config to be used. This is useful for existinglG environments where existing Oracle deployments and hardware configs are  already in place.I  G Oracle 9i RAC is fully supported today by Oracle on OpenVMS as outlined G in Oracles MetaLink database. It was certified as being fully supportedmA in October 2001 (from Metalink articles), so the statement in the.2 attached about "end of September 2001" is correct.  D Note - in case there is doubt of this, by checking the above url, itG would appear that Sun Solaris does not yet have a "certified" Oracle 9i.G Database solution. Of course, this is incorrect as Solaris is supportedr= by Oracle 9i so this is a very misleading page - imho anyway.    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantp Compaq Canada Corp.' Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----; From: Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@firstdbasource.com]=20f Sent: April 2, 2002 3:35 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComeH Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64p     "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  <stuff snipped>i =20sF > Indeed it is. In fact, one of the things that kept the VMS-on-IPF=20I > strategists up at night was getting an Oracle endorsement (which has=20i > been gotten, by the way).o >=20H > Methinks the Oracle buy-in is part of the quid-pro-quo involved in the   > Huron Project (Oracle 9i RAC)n    F I had an Oracle Rep just last week tell me that 9iRAC was not going toC be certified on OpenVMS... she was demonstrating 9iRAC on Tru64  --a@ which was very impressive. And to that end, the Oracle web page:G >http://www.oracle.com/ip/std_infrastructure/cc/index.html?content.htmld  E look under certified configurations -- seems to have either forgotten F that 9iRAC was supposed to be certified - or they are saying one thing8 and doing another which is contrary to the statement:=20C "9iRAC (database) will be available on OpenVMS at the end Septembere
 2001." at:< >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/solutions/oracle/monthQs.html  C I guess there is a difference of being available and certified on ai particular platform.  H The golf was also very good with the weather in low 60's last week in NCG - our team came in 2nd, the Oracle Reps team came in 1st. Although, our D team had an Oracle rep as well...  I guess these guys spend a lot of time on the links :) =20 --=20' Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163t7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com  Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)p 704-236-4377 (Mobile)n   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2002 16:18 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)rN Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64, Message-ID: <2APR200216180352@gerg.tamu.edu>  8 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes...9 }"Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in messager. }news:ibBFTz6dkDqx@eisner.encompasserve.org...6 }> I came across one Alpha NT box in the last 6 years.D }> How many people were actually using it?  Any idea about installedB }> base size?  It couldn't have amounted to much and probably made/ }> the decision to scratch it that much easier.h } L }I have some 1998 numbers ratholed away someplace. IIRC NT went out on 15-25< }percent of Alpha boxes, most of which were low-end systems. } F }The decision to scuttle was influenced by the fact that AlphaNT salesK }declined from ~15 percent of Alpha sales just prior to the CPQ acquisitiont' }to less than 2 percent 7 months later.g  . The AlphaNT systems are also PC class systems.  H Most PCs have a lifetime of only about 3 years before they are replaced.C (And considering the paucity of native applications and the pain ofeH running Intel executables under FX32, I suspect that the AlphaNT systems$ had shorter than average lifespans.)  F Thus it is likely that the vast majority of the AlphaNT systems, whichC were never all that common in the world at large, have already been2	 replaced.5   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:38:01 GMTs4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64> Message-ID: <dpqq8.158261$ZR2.71991@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message& news:2APR200216180352@gerg.tamu.edu...: > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes...; > }"Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in messageS0 > }news:ibBFTz6dkDqx@eisner.encompasserve.org...8 > }> I came across one Alpha NT box in the last 6 years.F > }> How many people were actually using it?  Any idea about installedD > }> base size?  It couldn't have amounted to much and probably made1 > }> the decision to scratch it that much easier.a > } H > }I have some 1998 numbers ratholed away someplace. IIRC NT went out on 15-25r> > }percent of Alpha boxes, most of which were low-end systems. > } H > }The decision to scuttle was influenced by the fact that AlphaNT salesA > }declined from ~15 percent of Alpha sales just prior to the CPQm acquisition ) > }to less than 2 percent 7 months later.  >70 > The AlphaNT systems are also PC class systems. >4J > Most PCs have a lifetime of only about 3 years before they are replaced.E > (And considering the paucity of native applications and the pain ofoJ > running Intel executables under FX32, I suspect that the AlphaNT systems& > had shorter than average lifespans.) >gH > Thus it is likely that the vast majority of the AlphaNT systems, whichE > were never all that common in the world at large, have already beene > replaced.d >g  K Quite true. Heck, you can get a 1.5GHz Pentium box with 40GB disk and 256MBa, RAM for $600 or $700 at Circuit City, et al.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2002 15:57:06 -0800e( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204021557.550923a0@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3CA8A110.E0E31C43@videotron.ca>...  > Bob Ceculski wrote:iJ > > the only customers that would migrate from vms to any other hp product > > would be fools and idiots! > N > What about all those customers who had already begun to de-emphasize VMS andL > go HP ? They would by now have a large HP investment with a few legacy VMSM > boxes still running. Where do you think there would go if VMS were killed ?-O > When they decided to de-emphasize VMS from their shop back in the 1990s, theynE > had already written off VMS as something that would die eventually.4 > P > And if HP does pull the plug, those customers will remember that it was Palmer8 > that screwed them, and they may not resent HP so much.  ? all those customers?  if they had all these vms migration to hp<A customers you are saying they have, they wouldn't be losing moneyd# and have to buy compaq, would they?    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2002 15:59:25 -0800>( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204021559.4ca8de80@posting.google.com>n  { Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message news:<20020401194331.12942.qmail@gacracker.org>... : > On 1 Apr 2002, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote: >  > <snip> > I > >the only customers that would migrate from vms to any other hp product  > >would be fools and idiots!  > L > C'mon Bob! It's clear you're another of us VMS bigots, but many people areM > in the position of having to make, or accept, decisions such as a migrationS > from VMS.  > J > As I see it, the biggest problem with VMS is the perceived commitment ofL > the current, and potential owners. Compaq should be shot for their failureI > to market the OS, and HP have been silent about it suggesting they will  > follow this lead.  > K > Calling someone an idiot for suggesting a migration from a platform whichn: > is not promoted on its strengths is far from reasonable. >  >  > Doc.  = anyone who would continue to buy from someone who lied to youoA and forced you to migrate "down" to another garbage os is a fool! - fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice ...eA and yes, hp is responsible for all promises compaq made by buyings them!o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:15:37 GMTb4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64? Message-ID: <JQrq8.181823$uA5.148307@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>p  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagei7 news:d7791aa1.0204021559.4ca8de80@posting.google.com... J > Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message2 news:<20020401194331.12942.qmail@gacracker.org>...< > > On 1 Apr 2002, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote: > >p
 > > <snip> > >mK > > >the only customers that would migrate from vms to any other hp productP > > >would be fools and idiots!  > >gJ > > C'mon Bob! It's clear you're another of us VMS bigots, but many people areaE > > in the position of having to make, or accept, decisions such as at	 migration 
 > > from VMS.a > >oL > > As I see it, the biggest problem with VMS is the perceived commitment ofF > > the current, and potential owners. Compaq should be shot for their failuresK > > to market the OS, and HP have been silent about it suggesting they will  > > follow this lead.i > >iG > > Calling someone an idiot for suggesting a migration from a platformp which < > > is not promoted on its strengths is far from reasonable. > >  > >  > > Doc. >r? > anyone who would continue to buy from someone who lied to youiC > and forced you to migrate "down" to another garbage os is a fool!t/ > fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice ...-C > and yes, hp is responsible for all promises compaq made by buyingM > them!e  1 Ah-ha! I see a Reparations Lawsuit in the making!7   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:44:44 GMT5# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64H Message-ID: <g8tq8.39527$09u.27437@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message ( news:pTnq8.154106$Yv2.46305@rwcrnsc54... >e< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3CA9B06D.8B1D6070@videotron.ca... > > Alan Greig wrote:  > >lK > > Of course, at the time you read those emails, you saw "commitment" as a4L > > commitment to continue Alpha. But in hindsight, their selection of words > wast > > quite interesting. >tK > Well, it all depends on what the meaning of the word "commitment" is. ;-}o    J My view on what Compaq means by commitment - "Bend over. This won't hurt a bit."    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:29:34 GMTn1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64' Message-ID: <3CAA7984.3F14453E@fsi.net>C   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:u > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3CA5D20D.EA97DC37@videotron.ca... > > John Smith wrote:eN > > > Given past managerial decisions by Compaq, which were really more in theK > > > mis-management vein, it's not beyond the plausible that VMS will haveu > its L > > > throat slit in the next 6 weeks. It wouldn't surprise me in the least. > >eK > > The decision has already been made. The integration team has supposedly  > grown(I > > to 1000 people. But until the real plan is made public, Compaq has toh
 > *act* asI > > if all products were to survive, and must *act* to appear to still bee > > competing against HP.c > >iH > > I would not be surprised if the EV7 machines are on hold pending the	 > release  > > of the product roadmap.e > K > The last would come as a very big surprise to me given some of the thingsc) > that are going on internally right now.  > / > But then again, I have been surprised before!i  ' You mean like around 25-Jun-2001 or so?e   -- 6 David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsw http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:30:59 GMTo1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>tN Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64' Message-ID: <3CAA79DA.EEDDF003@fsi.net>c   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:o > C > "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in messagec, > news:3CA9D765.CCC5D6BE@blueyonder.co.uk... > >. > >e > > "Doc.Cypher" wrote:0 > >  > > >EN > > > As I see it, the biggest problem with VMS is the perceived commitment ofH > > > the current, and potential owners. Compaq should be shot for their	 > failure M > > > to market the OS, and HP have been silent about it suggesting they will  > > > follow this lead.- > >-G > > Realistically, if they WANT to turn VMS around, they are gonna have@E > > to get down on their knees and grovel about how much of a mistake- > > affinity etc was.e > N > To be fair, Rich Marcello did just this a couple of years ago. Of course, heF > has moved on to bigger and better (for the moment, anyhow) things...  ? Those who do not learn the lessons of the sins of the past, ...,   -- o David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:33:40 GMTr1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>sN Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64& Message-ID: <3CAA7A7B.C4ED489@fsi.net>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:n > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagei9 > news:d7791aa1.0204021559.4ca8de80@posting.google.com...rL > > Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message4 > news:<20020401194331.12942.qmail@gacracker.org>...> > > > On 1 Apr 2002, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote: > > >m > > > <snip> > > > M > > > >the only customers that would migrate from vms to any other hp producto! > > > >would be fools and idiots!i > > >eL > > > C'mon Bob! It's clear you're another of us VMS bigots, but many people > arerG > > > in the position of having to make, or accept, decisions such as ag > migration  > > > from VMS.r > > >mN > > > As I see it, the biggest problem with VMS is the perceived commitment ofH > > > the current, and potential owners. Compaq should be shot for their	 > failure M > > > to market the OS, and HP have been silent about it suggesting they will- > > > follow this lead.  > > >oI > > > Calling someone an idiot for suggesting a migration from a platform: > which'> > > > is not promoted on its strengths is far from reasonable. > > >p > > >t
 > > > Doc. > > A > > anyone who would continue to buy from someone who lied to youlE > > and forced you to migrate "down" to another garbage os is a fool!-1 > > fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice ...0E > > and yes, hp is responsible for all promises compaq made by buying:	 > > them!g > 3 > Ah-ha! I see a Reparations Lawsuit in the making!4  G Um, Mr. Hewlett? I think Terry just found you the ultimate poison pill!p   -- e David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/w   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:37:50 GMTl1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64' Message-ID: <3CAA7B74.E08BAAA6@fsi.net>e   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:a > 6 > "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message( > news:2APR200216180352@gerg.tamu.edu...< > > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes...= > > }"Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in messagem2 > > }news:ibBFTz6dkDqx@eisner.encompasserve.org...: > > }> I came across one Alpha NT box in the last 6 years.H > > }> How many people were actually using it?  Any idea about installedF > > }> base size?  It couldn't have amounted to much and probably made3 > > }> the decision to scratch it that much easier.g > > } J > > }I have some 1998 numbers ratholed away someplace. IIRC NT went out on > 15-25o@ > > }percent of Alpha boxes, most of which were low-end systems. > > }uJ > > }The decision to scuttle was influenced by the fact that AlphaNT salesC > > }declined from ~15 percent of Alpha sales just prior to the CPQe
 > acquisition + > > }to less than 2 percent 7 months later.  > >r2 > > The AlphaNT systems are also PC class systems. > >9L > > Most PCs have a lifetime of only about 3 years before they are replaced.G > > (And considering the paucity of native applications and the pain of,L > > running Intel executables under FX32, I suspect that the AlphaNT systems( > > had shorter than average lifespans.) > > J > > Thus it is likely that the vast majority of the AlphaNT systems, whichG > > were never all that common in the world at large, have already beenP
 > > replaced.X > >S > M > Quite true. Heck, you can get a 1.5GHz Pentium box with 40GB disk and 256MB . > RAM for $600 or $700 at Circuit City, et al.  1 There's that AFFORDABLE thing - * A G A I N * !!!h   SOFB!    -- e David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:48:37 GMTr4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64. Message-ID: <pYuq8.155790$Yv2.48451@rwcrnsc54>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3CAA7984.3F14453E@fsi.net...c > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > >u> > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message* > > news:3CA5D20D.EA97DC37@videotron.ca... > > > John Smith wrote:iL > > > > Given past managerial decisions by Compaq, which were really more in thelH > > > > mis-management vein, it's not beyond the plausible that VMS will have > > itsmG > > > > throat slit in the next 6 weeks. It wouldn't surprise me in thea least. > > >rB > > > The decision has already been made. The integration team has
 supposedly	 > > grown0K > > > to 1000 people. But until the real plan is made public, Compaq has to  > > *act* asK > > > if all products were to survive, and must *act* to appear to still beo > > > competing against HP.e > > > J > > > I would not be surprised if the EV7 machines are on hold pending the > > releasep > > > of the product roadmap.  > >lF > > The last would come as a very big surprise to me given some of the things+ > > that are going on internally right now.a > >r1 > > But then again, I have been surprised before!l >y) > You mean like around 25-Jun-2001 or so?o  K Yeah, that would be one of the times I've been surprised, although truth ber+ told the June 12 memo served as a heads-up."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:50:05 GMT.4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64> Message-ID: <NZuq8.159126$ZR2.73174@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3CAA7CF9.C8D39269@fsi.net...a > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:T > > 2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF > > news:CP%p8.21671$dVT.18447@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > > > B > > > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message: > > > news:SAlp8.44336$44.17564538@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net... > > > > [snip] > > >NI > > > Given the number of Compaq-types that lurk/contribute in this ng ino someE > > > official/semi-official/non-official capacity, do you think it'sa possibleG > > > that word of customer concerns regarding the fate of VMS have nott reachedT" > > > senior management at Compaq? > >aK > > For a variety of reasons which I won't go into in this forum, I believeh it'sI > > quite likely that the Grand Frobozzes know not what's going on in the5 field  > > and on the streets.- >-I > IMO, they know little what goes on "in the streets", and they care even< > less.n >m- > > > How much credibility does senior CompaqlH > > > management have in this ng, which is arguably visited/used by many
 > > customers5A > > > that Compaq would consider to be major/strategic customers?m > >eG > > Since senior Compaq management does not frequent this ng, they haven precious+ > > little credibility. Rightly or wrongly.o >sG > Well, I'd have to say that I think their lack of credibility is basedr9 > more on what they have done than on what they don't do.r >  > > >w > > > Figure it out:K > > > - Compaq management has little to no credibility with many customers;mF > > > - no offense to the VMS engineering staff, but they just do what they'rerF > > > told - they don't set policy, so their comments in the ng on the	 future of K > > > VMS, while well intentioned, are not official (yes, we're supposed to G > > > believe Compaq senior management, but we don't - with good reason  too -iH > > > remember the old adage... "Lie to me once, shame on you. Lie to me twice, > > > shame on me.");tJ > > > - HP will be wearing the pants in the merged company (if it happens) andhK > > > they have offered 'No Comment' on the future of VMS - a seemingly 'Wee
 > > cannotD > > > confirm nor deny that VMS has any future', yet they see fit to	 pronounceXI > > > life or death on other Compaq products prior to the consummation.ofs theg? > > > merger, so it isn't the SEC 'quiet period' that's keepingm pronouncements > > > about VMS from surfacing.l > > >r > > >eI > > > As to DII-COE - it's just a piece of paper, and would be subject toP someJ > > > negotiation to make it go away. All they'd really have to do is say,
 > > 'We'llF > > > port the code for you at no charge". They'll have a big servicesE > > > organization that's partially sitting on its thumbs through theo current A > > > corporate spending slowdown to put to work. Problem solved.a > > >nK > > > As to the $X billion in VMS revenue with $Y million profit...it wouldw be > > far0L > > > easier to exit the consumer PC market and cut the hemorrhaging at that end : > > > of the business, but they have not done that either. > > >iH > > > It takes time for customers to move from VMS to unix (whether it's HP/UX,J > > > AIX, Solaris, Linux), so they'll still have maintenance revenue, but theyI > > > won't have to invest in major new development efforts. They can putl VMS- > > into< > > > maintenance mode and cut the engineering staff by 2/3. > > >eK > > > Killing VMS is one of those things that doesn't make sense, but I bet 	 > > it'llH > > > happen anyway. > > >u > >rB > > I hope you are wrong, but far be it from me to bet against the possibility. >oH > I hope you're wrong, also. However, I'm no longer in a position to bet > against the odds.a  % Neither am I my friend, neither am I!o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:44:20 GMT-1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>nN Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64' Message-ID: <3CAA7CF9.C8D39269@fsi.net>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:@ > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD > news:CP%p8.21671$dVT.18447@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >@@ > > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message8 > > news:SAlp8.44336$44.17564538@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net... > > > [snip] > > L > > Given the number of Compaq-types that lurk/contribute in this ng in someL > > official/semi-official/non-official capacity, do you think it's possibleM > > that word of customer concerns regarding the fate of VMS have not reached   > > senior management at Compaq? > N > For a variety of reasons which I won't go into in this forum, I believe it'sM > quite likely that the Grand Frobozzes know not what's going on in the fields > and on the streets.n  G IMO, they know little what goes on "in the streets", and they care evene less.   + > > How much credibility does senior CompaqoF > > management have in this ng, which is arguably visited/used by many > customersi? > > that Compaq would consider to be major/strategic customers?t > N > Since senior Compaq management does not frequent this ng, they have precious) > little credibility. Rightly or wrongly.p  E Well, I'd have to say that I think their lack of credibility is based 7 more on what they have done than on what they don't do.h   > >< > > Figure it out:I > > - Compaq management has little to no credibility with many customers;hL > > - no offense to the VMS engineering staff, but they just do what they'reN > > told - they don't set policy, so their comments in the ng on the future ofI > > VMS, while well intentioned, are not official (yes, we're supposed tosK > > believe Compaq senior management, but we don't - with good reason too -rM > > remember the old adage... "Lie to me once, shame on you. Lie to me twice,  > > shame on me.");tL > > - HP will be wearing the pants in the merged company (if it happens) andI > > they have offered 'No Comment' on the future of VMS - a seemingly 'Weo > cannotL > > confirm nor deny that VMS has any future', yet they see fit to pronounceK > > life or death on other Compaq products prior to the consummation.of theeL > > merger, so it isn't the SEC 'quiet period' that's keeping pronouncements > > about VMS from surfacing.d > >h > >rL > > As to DII-COE - it's just a piece of paper, and would be subject to someH > > negotiation to make it go away. All they'd really have to do is say, > 'We'llD > > port the code for you at no charge". They'll have a big servicesK > > organization that's partially sitting on its thumbs through the currentw? > > corporate spending slowdown to put to work. Problem solved.y > > L > > As to the $X billion in VMS revenue with $Y million profit...it would be > farmN > > easier to exit the consumer PC market and cut the hemorrhaging at that end8 > > of the business, but they have not done that either. > >gM > > It takes time for customers to move from VMS to unix (whether it's HP/UX,rM > > AIX, Solaris, Linux), so they'll still have maintenance revenue, but they K > > won't have to invest in major new development efforts. They can put VMS. > into: > > maintenance mode and cut the engineering staff by 2/3. > >nI > > Killing VMS is one of those things that doesn't make sense, but I betJ > it'll< > > happen anyway. > >. > M > I hope you are wrong, but far be it from me to bet against the possibility.e  F I hope you're wrong, also. However, I'm no longer in a position to bet against the odds.o   -- t David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 04:11:31 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-640 Message-ID: <3CAA7CE7.F7F538EA@blueyonder.co.uk>   JF Mezei wrote:7 >  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:fI > > The decision to scuttle was influenced by the fact that AlphaNT saleshN > > declined from ~15 percent of Alpha sales just prior to the CPQ acquisition* > > to less than 2 percent 7 months later. > N > If your sales force streets potential Alpha-NT customers to wintel hardware,P > then of course Alpha-NT sales will drop and you'll have what you want on paper+ > to justify the decision to kill Alpha-NT.t  S Maybe they did that because there just weren't the native applications on Alpha-NT,a not even MS Office.e  Q Oh dear, I contributed to this thread again. How many times have these arguementss been thrashed out here?t    -- t tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    F * tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:24:22 +0200g& From: Bob Marcan <bob.marcan@aster.si>A Subject: Re: Viability of a Commercial ISO-9960 formatter for VMSn( Message-ID: <3CAAA016.9219E1F9@aster.si>   John Santos wrote: > ( > On Sat, 30 Mar 2002, Bob Marcan wrote: >  > > John Santos wrote: > [...]uK > > > It is very slow on an AS200 4/100, though much faster with 256MB thanyI > > > it was with 80MB, which was unusable.  Netscape 4.73 on DEC Unix onmI > > > the same hardware is fine (not screamingly fast but fast enough not5 > > > to be annoying.) > >e* > > Wait a minute. What are you comparing?K > > Mozilla with Netscape? I have Mozilla 0.9.9 and Nestcape 4.78 on Tru64. 1 > > Nestcape: snap, Mozilla: take a coffee break.w > >o > > -Bob > J > I'm comparing Mozilla 0.9.8 on VMS V7.3 with Netscape 4.73 on DUNIX 4.0DF > Both running on AlphaStation 200 4/100 w/288MB.  The VMS workstationA > has a single RZ28 disk, whereas the DUNIX has a pair of RZ26's.p > Otherwise identical. > G > I recently upgraded the two from 80MB (VMS) and 128MB (Unix) to 288MBaD > (both).  Netscape on the DUNIX system became slightly faster.  (AnE > earlier upgrade from 64MB to 128MB on the Unix system made a larger D > difference, but even at 64MB it wasn't horribly slow.)  Mozilla onF > the VMS system at 80MB was unusably slow.  (Grow the coffee, harvestD > it, roast it, grind it...)  With 288MB, it is very slow, but pages > do appear eventually.  > G > Very old Netscape (V3.03?) and Mosiac do work okay on the VMS system, 8 > though lots of sites have problems due to the version. > G > I know this is apples and oranges, but I think most of the differenceiC > is attributable to Mozilla vs. Netscape V4.x, rather than VMS vs. E > Unix.  I think I would have to upgrade the Unix box to Tru64 to try H > Mozilla on it, and the CD drive is broken, so I haven't done that yet. > B > I hope as Mozilla approachs release, the performance is improved9 > a lot, or I will have to stick with 4.7 on my Unix box.  >  > --
 > John Santost > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539  # I'm allready sticking with NS 4.78.  -- y@  Bob Marcan                           mailto:bob.marcan@aster.si?  Aster                                tel:    +386 (1) 5894-3291?  Nade Ovcakove 1                      fax:    +386 (1) 5894-201 @  1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia                    http://www.aster.si   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2002 21:47:01 -0800 - From: merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt)r( Subject: vms hobbyist licenseing problem= Message-ID: <b6bf97d5.0204022147.78a353fd@posting.google.com>    Hi  F I seem to be having some problems getting my layered products licensedD up. I recently download this years layeded prod DCL licese script asB well as the vax-vms license ran them "lic load *" them "lic ena *"F them but I still can't telnet to or set host to the server in question' any ideas on what I am forgetting to do        info:   ; License	Database	File:	SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]LMF$LICENSE.LDB;1  Created	on:	19-MAR-2002o Created	by	user:	SYSTEMa Created	by	LMF	Version:	V1.2  # -----------------------------------w DVNETEND	DEC DVNETEND	DEC DVNETEXT	DEC DVNETEXT	DEC         Created	on:	19-MAR-2002t Created	by	user:	SYSTEM  Created	by	LMF	Version:	V1.2  # -----------------------------------e
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 Producer:	DEC. Units:	0 Version:	0.0 Release	Date:	1-SEP-2002  PAK	Termination	Date:	1-SEP-2002 Availability:	0e Activity:	000000100s Options: Hardware	ID:   Revision	Level:	2e Status:	Active Command:	ENABLEo Modified	by	user:	SYSTEM# Modified	on:	2-APR-2002	01:11:31.53r       $	TELNET	192.168.0.123* %TELNET-I-TRYING,	Trying	...	192.168.0.123: %TELNET-I-SESSION,	Session	01,	host	192.168.0.123,	port	23( -TELNET-I-ESCAPE,	Escape	character	is	^]  : Welcome	to	OpenVMS	(TM)	VAX	Operating	System,	Version	V7.2   Username:	system	 Password: . No	license	is	active	for	this	software	product- %TELNET-S-REMCLOSED,	Remote	connection	closedu: -TELNET-I-SESSION,	Session	01,	host	192.168.0.123,	port	23 $e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:00:58 GMT ( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>* Subject: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation. Message-ID: <uSpq8.154811$Yv2.47131@rwcrnsc54>  J I just picked up one of these puppies. How do I go about installing VMS onK it? It appears to be virtually identical to an AlphaServer 1200, which I'vee worked with quite a bit.   TIA.  	 Mark Levys SMA    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:40:45 +0200v From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>. Subject: Re: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation& Message-ID: <3CAA336D.6060300@home.nl>  " Put the VMS cd in the cdrom player Boot the cd  choose install VMS  	 ????? :-)B   Mark E. Levy wrote:   K >I just picked up one of these puppies. How do I go about installing VMS on L >it? It appears to be virtually identical to an AlphaServer 1200, which I've >worked with quite a bit.i >A >TIA.l >p
 >Mark Levy >SMA >p >w >d   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 23:28:37 GMTp( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>. Subject: Re: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation> Message-ID: <F8rq8.158366$ZR2.71969@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  
 Problem 2:  G I'm trying to upgrade the firmware. I've downloaded the latest from Q'siI website, and invoked LFU from the AlphaBIOS. In LFU, the AlphaBIOS updatenG passes, but the SRM update hangs indefinately. Booting the VMS 7.2-1 CDnI results in a bugcheck that flashes off the screen so quickly that I can'teG see what it's complaining about. I guesss I'll have to hook up a serialm console so I can capture this.  " Any idea why the SRM won't update?  	 Mark Levyi SMAa   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:52:56 GMTs+ From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com>i. Subject: Re: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation+ Message-ID: <3CAA48B9.AEF624BB@ins-msi.com>p  - Did you read the firmware release notes?  8-)q  F If the prior SRM version was 5.3 or earlier the built-in LFU cannot be; used to upgrade the firmware with a version later than 5.3.   # Two (maybe three) ways around this:h  F  1) download the 5.3 version of the firmware and install it, following8     the directions. Then upgrade to the current version.  G  2) Use a 5.3 or later version firmware CD. Boot the CD and update fromgG     it, again not using the SRM LFU command. Then update to the current      version if necessary.-  D  3) (maybe) download the current version firmware as bootable floppyF     images. This method also does not use the LFU so may work as well.  ? Once the transition across the 5.3 divide (8-) the built-in LFU. command can again be used.  F I don't know if this is your problem but the reason for the 5.3 divideA is because the ROM images that get loaded into the flash ROM were7A physically placed in different places in the ROM's address space.fA Apparently, the old LFU can't put the images where they expect tor! be. Thus non compus computer. 8-)J  
 Jeff Campbelly n8wxs@arrl.net   "Mark E. Levy" wrote:8 >  > Problem 2: > I > I'm trying to upgrade the firmware. I've downloaded the latest from Q'ssK > website, and invoked LFU from the AlphaBIOS. In LFU, the AlphaBIOS updatenI > passes, but the SRM update hangs indefinately. Booting the VMS 7.2-1 CDtK > results in a bugcheck that flashes off the screen so quickly that I can'tnI > see what it's complaining about. I guesss I'll have to hook up a serialo  > console so I can capture this. > $ > Any idea why the SRM won't update? >  > Mark Levy? > SMA    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:17:25 GMTv3 From: sy18889@rabbit.fmr.com (Bradford J. Hamilton)n. Subject: Re: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation/ Message-ID: <V5qq8.20$M3.107@news-srv1.fmr.com>t  O If you have a SCSI CD-ROM, get a current (7.2-1 or above) CD, boot from it, andi  pick the correct menu options.a   :-)t  M I'm assuming that you have familiarity with VMS; if not, please visit the FAQh. at www.openvms.compaq.com as a starting point.  Y In article <uSpq8.154811$Yv2.47131@rwcrnsc54>, "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> writes:rK >I just picked up one of these puppies. How do I go about installing VMS on L >it? It appears to be virtually identical to an AlphaServer 1200, which I've >worked with quite a bit.' >o >TIA.  > 
 >Mark Levy >SMA >u >  >    Bradford J. Hamilton& MAPSbradhamilton@MAPSattbi.com		(home)& sy18889MAPS@rabbit.MAPSfmr.com		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"- "Lose the MAPS"o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:10:11 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>s. Subject: Re: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation' Message-ID: <3CAA8DFF.1A23ED16@Free.fr>   O Find a Firmware update CD, boot from it, apply the patch and Bob should be your 
 uncle :-))   :-)))    D.   "Mark E. Levy" wrote:p >  > Problem 2: > I > I'm trying to upgrade the firmware. I've downloaded the latest from Q'suK > website, and invoked LFU from the AlphaBIOS. In LFU, the AlphaBIOS update I > passes, but the SRM update hangs indefinately. Booting the VMS 7.2-1 CDCK > results in a bugcheck that flashes off the screen so quickly that I can't I > see what it's complaining about. I guesss I'll have to hook up a serialm  > console so I can capture this. > $ > Any idea why the SRM won't update? >  > Mark Levys > SMAt   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 05:12:10 GMT ( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>. Subject: Re: VMS on 533au Ultimate Workstation. Message-ID: <Kawq8.156064$Yv2.48797@rwcrnsc54>  H That did it, I had to go through 5.3 first.. 6.0 loaded just fine, thank you. VMS is now loading...   Thanks!    ML  8 "Jeff Campbell" <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> wrote in message% news:3CAA48B9.AEF624BB@ins-msi.com...t/ > Did you read the firmware release notes?  8-)a >gH > If the prior SRM version was 5.3 or earlier the built-in LFU cannot be= > used to upgrade the firmware with a version later than 5.3.  >x% > Two (maybe three) ways around this:r > H >  1) download the 5.3 version of the firmware and install it, following: >     the directions. Then upgrade to the current version. > I >  2) Use a 5.3 or later version firmware CD. Boot the CD and update from.I >     it, again not using the SRM LFU command. Then update to the current  >     version if necessary.  >pF >  3) (maybe) download the current version firmware as bootable floppyH >     images. This method also does not use the LFU so may work as well. > A > Once the transition across the 5.3 divide (8-) the built-in LFU  > command can again be used. > H > I don't know if this is your problem but the reason for the 5.3 divideC > is because the ROM images that get loaded into the flash ROM weregC > physically placed in different places in the ROM's address space.DC > Apparently, the old LFU can't put the images where they expect toJ# > be. Thus non compus computer. 8-)m >a > Jeff Campbell2 > n8wxs@arrl.net >. > "Mark E. Levy" wrote:. > >. > > Problem 2: > > K > > I'm trying to upgrade the firmware. I've downloaded the latest from Q's7F > > website, and invoked LFU from the AlphaBIOS. In LFU, the AlphaBIOS updateK > > passes, but the SRM update hangs indefinately. Booting the VMS 7.2-1 CDnG > > results in a bugcheck that flashes off the screen so quickly that Ie can'trK > > see what it's complaining about. I guesss I'll have to hook up a seriala" > > console so I can capture this. > >I& > > Any idea why the SRM won't update? > > 
 > > Mark Levyt > > SMAr   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 02:38:14 GMTs* From: Rick McMullen <rbmcmjr@adelphia.net>) Subject: Re: VMS To Tru64 Migration Plans = Message-ID: <qWtq8.10767$SG2.1819223@news1.news.adelphia.net>h  4 In <3CA9AEEF.BC884110@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote:   > D > If you must port NOW, then choose a platform you can count on, and" > that means Solaris or IBM's AIX.   You misspelled "IRIX"!  =8^p   -- v
 Rick McMulleni   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2002 16:36:38 -0800I( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)Y Subject: Re: White paper now avaialble - Total Cost of Ownership for Enterprise Class Clu < Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204021636.6c9d44e@posting.google.com>   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote in message news:<3CA9D9AD.1070104@sun.com>... > Sue Skonetski wrote: > P > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/whitepapers/enterprise_tco/enterprise_ > > tco.pdfoI > > Detailed comparison of the Total Cost of Ownership of four RISC-BasedrN > > Cluster Solutions Designed to Provide High Availability.  The four systems@ > > are Compaq OpenVMS , HP9000, IBM RS/6000 and Sun Enterprise. > > L > > Please note that this was not done by Compaq, but by Tech Wise Research. > >  > > Warm Regards,  > >  > > Suee >tE > A GS320 is not equivalent to a Sun F15000, HP SuperDome or IBM P690tJ > it just does not compare, CPU capacity, I/O bandwidth, memory, benchmarkI > results. For example a  Sun F6800 has better apps performance than the MJ > GS320 as does an IBM P680. By virtually any measure you chose to use theA > GS320 is a mid range system by anyone elses standards (with theyJ > exception of SPECint and SPECfp) which no one uses to measure commercial > performance).e  A you mean running one alpha chip againset 128 sparc garbage chips?n  > > Since HW cost and SW licensing costs are a key part of a TCO= > analysis its very important to compare like with like. Comen= > back with new numbers when you have moved the GS320 down to @ > the mid range. You could also include the Sun V880 rather thanC > the F3800, it is less flexible and has fewer RAS capabilites than H > the F3800 but given the company you have placed it in (GS80, P660 etc)I > the V880 is more than capable (but hang on its very cheap) Its half theeB > price of the GS, HP and IBM boxes and it qualifies for workgroup > SW licences.  E I suggest looking over the new EV7 specs, and they blow away anything/# you have, one chip or 128 chips ...h  ? > Where did the downtime numbers for each vendor come from prayn< > tell. I know for a fact that IBM, HP and Sun don't publish@ > the numbers. Assuming the TechWise survey actually used CompaqI > supplied data where did the rest come from. What survey was this based a# > on, what was the sample size etc.t  D what downtime?  I have been on vms systems for over 17 years now and4 have "NEVER" had an os crash ... what's your record?  -	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison:   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:48:24 -0500R- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-Y Subject: Re: White paper now avaialble - Total Cost of Ownership for Enterprise Class Clu , Message-ID: <3CAA5F4D.E15B2361@videotron.ca>   Bob Ceculski wrote:lC > you mean running one alpha chip againset 128 sparc garbage chips?     M Alpha is dead. How many slow bloated IA64s will you need to match the Sparc ?h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:38:06 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e1 Subject: Re: Why VMS is "unhackable" lesson 1 ... , Message-ID: <3CAA4ED8.B903D794@videotron.ca>   Bob Ceculski wrote:eA > sorry matey, but your paying thru your nose for your garbage if @ > you can call it an ip stack in lost down time and productivity= > and spending 80% of your time patching your 64 chip garbage ? > sparc boxes ... all I have to do is pay $1900 for TCPware andl > "YOU CAN'T TOUCH THIS"!a  K At this juncture in time, I do not believe it healthy to be so defensive of0G VMS. Until we know what HP as in store for VMS, it is best to keep someVa "distance" from your loved on so that *IF* the news are bad, you won't be so terrified/depressed.o  L VMS isn't your baby anymore. It is Carly's baby. And if Carly choose to have2 an abortion, there is nothing you can do about it.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2002 16:25:38 -0800B( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: Why VMS is "unhackable" lesson 1 ...r< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204021625.27f7092@posting.google.com>   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote in message news:<3CA9DBCE.9080603@sun.com>... > Bob Ceculski wrote:k > , > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > >   ? defcon10 is coming soon matey ... why not take one of your junkr@ slowaris boxes and put it up next to vms, give those poor stupid= defcon hackers a username and password, turn on all services,p& and we will see matey, we will see ...   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2002 16:21:37 -0800t( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: Why VMS is "unhackable" lesson 1 ...o= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204021621.3c532b44@posting.google.com>n   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote in message news:<3CA9DBCE.9080603@sun.com>... > Bob Ceculski wrote:8 > , > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > > K > >>Sorry nice try but no cigar. In a number of cases OpenVMS was vunerable K > >>to IP stack exploits, Compaq had posted response to CERT for both Tru64 ; > >>and OpenVMS, OpenVMS was listed as not being vunerable.  > >>D > >>Except that Compaqs own patch reports then listed a patch to fixJ > >>the same vunerability. In otherwords the CERT response did not reflect" > >>OpenVMS's actual vunerability. > >>C > >>Security through obscurity which you are apparently arguing forr? > >>is one thing but this is not what has happened in the past.n > >> > > I > > Andrew, I tried to explain this to you once before.  I must have used0G > > words that were too big since you've completely failed to grasp the K > > concept.  I'll try once more, and I'll go slowly so follow along now...  > > K > > OpenVMS is not now, nor has it ever been, vulnerable to any sort or any3L > > type of IP exploit.  Why?  Because OpenVMS will completely ignore any IP6 > > packet it sees unless you add an IP product to it. > > A > > There are multiple choices available when one wants to add IPcK > > functionality to VMS and you seem to be working very hard at convincing@L > > folks that one of those choices and VMS are the same thing.  'Tisn't so, > > though.  > > L > > 1).  TCPIP services for OpenVMS, the product that is a port of the Tru64I > > unix IP stack, is one of the choices for VMS.  However, and I realizesL > > this will come as a shock to you, while Unix and VMS perform many of theF > > same functions, the implementation of those functions is differentE > > between the two systems.  One major difference is the handling of:D > > dynamic allocation of kernel-based data structures.  Why is thisL > > significant?  Because I can take two Alpha systems that are identical inL > > hardware, load Tru64 on one and VMS with TCPIP services on the other andK > > hit them with several DoS attacks designed to cause resource starvationUH > > of the host.  Result:  The unix box crashes, the VMS box keeps goingD > > (although sometimes its performance degrades until the attack isL > > blocked).  This is with that exact piece of code that you keep trying toJ > > claim must make VMS exploitable because it made Tru64 exploitable.  It > > doesn't.  I can prove it.  > >  >  > D > Sorry matey try again, OpenVMS with the VMS IP stack was vunerable: > to just the attacks you claim it was not. LAND, Teardrop > etc all knocked OpenVMS out. > B > You may have patched OpenVMS to remove the vunerability and they? > are fixed in the latest version of the IP stack but this does9A > not alter the fact that they were vunerable and I don't need to:@ > run a test to prove it because it says so in Compaqs own patch
 > reports. >  > F > > 2). Multinet.  My product of choice.  I've already told you that IK > > configured a VMS system with multinet and ran IP attacks against it and	J > > the system survived every one.  You chose not to believe me.  You evenJ > > went so far as to claim I must not have known what I was doing or beenK > > fully aware of the network configuration when I ran the test.  Well, no	J > > one is denying your right to disbelieve me.  However, if you'd like toJ > > visit sunny San Diego, I'll be happy to demonstrate why your disbelief > > is misplaced.s > >  >  > E > Nice try but not the point. Who gives a rats arse if Multinet isn'tuF > vunerable. Now days no customer expects to have to buy an additionalC > layered 3rd party product to get IP support in an OS and very few$E > customers would be impressed with the idea that you need to do this , > because the vendors own product is broken. >  > 	 > Regardsc >  > Andrew Harrison0  ? sorry matey, but your paying thru your nose for your garbage if > you can call it an ip stack in lost down time and productivity; and spending 80% of your time patching your 64 chip garbageS= sparc boxes ... all I have to do is pay $1900 for TCPware ando "YOU CAN'T TOUCH THIS"!i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:28:43 GMTk1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>p1 Subject: Re: Why VMS is "unhackable" lesson 1 ...I' Message-ID: <3CAA7950.35775270@fsi.net>    JF Mezei wrote:h >  > Bob Ceculski wrote:eC > > sorry matey, but your paying thru your nose for your garbage if-B > > you can call it an ip stack in lost down time and productivity? > > and spending 80% of your time patching your 64 chip garbageaA > > sparc boxes ... all I have to do is pay $1900 for TCPware ands > > "YOU CAN'T TOUCH THIS"!' > M > At this juncture in time, I do not believe it healthy to be so defensive ofdI > VMS. Until we know what HP as in store for VMS, it is best to keep some c > "distance" from your loved on so that *IF* the news are bad, you won't be so terrified/depressed.t > N > VMS isn't your baby anymore. It is Carly's baby. And if Carly choose to have4 > an abortion, there is nothing you can do about it.  D It isn't Carly's "baby" until the results of the HP votes are known.  H ...and at 20+ years, I believe that would constitute O.S.-cide, not justF another spineless, unprincipled, morally bankrupt tramp exercising her3 "right" to attack and destroy a defenseless unborn.p   --   David J. 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 <p>&nbsp;</p>h        <BR><BR>2I ---------------------------------------------------------------------<BR> / Click on the link below to be removed from the l5 Wisconsin PC Preferred Customer Mailing List.<BR><BR>    <A HREF="http://www.wisconsinpc.com/cgi-bin/list/mailmachine.cgi?info-vax@mvb.saic.com">http://www.wisconsinpc.com/cgi-bin/list/mailmachine.cgi?info-vax@mvb.saic.com</A><BR>m2 (Or copy and paste the link into your browser)<BR>E ---------------------------------------------------------------------w   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:32:54 +0100. From: Roger Barnett <roger@natron.demon.co.uk># Subject: Re: [OT] 11th of September 1 Message-ID: <$wSJhKA22kq8EwcS@natron.demon.co.uk>a  6 In article <3CA76A23.C9E6B52B@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes0Q >Do you know that a book has been published last week in France about the 11th ofm > September?D >Its author: Thierry Meyssan (famous in France for various reasons).I >Its title "11 septembre 2001 l'effroyable imposture" (awfull imposture). 9 >Its subtitle "No plane ever crashed onto the Pentagone".     @ Hmm, guess my father must have faked the photo of the plane that he took just before it hit.   @ [he was in a tour group in the cemetery [Arlington?] across the   river at the time]     
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