1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 10 Apr 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 197       Contents:/ ***April System Specials*** at Island Computers  Re: An alpha Re: An alpha Re: An alpha& Re: ANN: HGFTP V3.0-1 is now available Re: Anonymous ftp  Re: Anonymous ftp  Re: Anonymous ftp  Re: API for FTP  Re: API for FTP  AS200 Serial Console Re: AS200 Serial Console Re: AS200 Serial Console Re: AS200 Serial Console Re: behavior of working set  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  CLD problem (flight) Re: CLD problem (flight) Re: CLD problem (flight) Re: CLD problem (flight) Re: CLD problem (flight) Re: CLD problem (flight)  Re: digital MicroVAX 3100-96 Box RE: Exporting SYSUAF.LIS
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(follow-up) Re: Will IBM buy Sun?  Re: Will IBM buy Sun? * Wisconsin PC Preferred Customer Newsletter  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:06:12 -04001 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> 8 Subject: ***April System Specials*** at Island Computers/ Message-ID: <ub70e57e83rv48@news.supernews.com>   & DS20 500Mhz EV6 with 1GB Memory  $3299< DS10L 466Mhz EV6 with 512MB Memory Dual 10/100 Ethernet$18997 DS10 466Mhz EV6 1GB Ram 18GB U2 Disk VX1 Graphics $2995 A XP1000  500Mhz EV6 1GB UW SCSI 9.1GB 10KRPM Disk VX1 Oxygen $2099 D PWS500au 500Mhz EV56 256Mb Memory 9GB Disk Permedia 2 Graphics $1099  $ Everything that we sell is VMS Ready; Everything comes with 1 Year warranty from Island Computers   F Call us on Toll Free 1 877 636 4332 or International 00 1 912 447 6622   -- Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332  International: 001 912 447 6622   Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 dbturner@hpaq.net  www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:59:51 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: An alpha , Message-ID: <3CB34837.6080102@tsoft-inc.com>   Arne Vajhj wrote:   > labadie wrote: > M >>If you try very quickly a lot of passwords, you will disable that username,  >>nothing more.  >> >  > ???? > & > LGI_BRK_DISUSER is not set default ! >  > Arne > 4 Not really necessary.  If you're paranoid, go ahead.    Q I did myself in once.  Set up a command file with a bunch of COPY commands.  The  N source was on a remote node.  Made a small mistake in the "USERNAME PASSWORD" L info in the DECnet node name.  Each COPY command was a LOGIN attempt on the J remote node.  Fixed the command file, but access was still denied.  Don't P remember how long it was going to take for the lock-out to time out, but it was  substantial.  8 I cannot remember what I had to do to clear the lockout.  Q Using a brute force breakin attempt, with up to 5 minutes between attempts, will  = likely take longer than the life of the computer system.  :-)    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:03:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: An alpha , Message-ID: <3CB3816F.E9C5E1BD@videotron.ca>   David Froble wrote: ( > > LGI_BRK_DISUSER is not set default !: > I cannot remember what I had to do to clear the lockout.    DELETE/INTRUSION is your friend.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:09:58 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: An alpha ; Message-ID: <3cb39ef6.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote: > David Froble wrote: * > > > LGI_BRK_DISUSER is not set default !< > > I cannot remember what I had to do to clear the lockout. > " > DELETE/INTRUSION is your friend.  F Or, in this special case, $MCR AUTHORIZE MODIFY user /FLAGS=NODISUSER.   cu,    Martin --  G  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 4  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deH  for the change to take    |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/;  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 03:09:40 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> / Subject: Re: ANN: HGFTP V3.0-1 is now available ' Message-ID: <3CB3AF79.ED00BC90@fsi.net>    Hunter Goatley wrote:  > : > On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:29:36 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig- > <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:  > L > >> HGFTP V3.0-1 is now available for download.  HGFTP is an FTP client andH > >> server for OpenVMS that runs on top of all of the VMS TCP/IP stacksI > >> (MultiNet, TCPware, and the others).  Either the client, the server, G > >> or both can be run without disrupting your existing FTP setup.  Of E > >> special note to TCP/IP Services users is the fact that the HGFTP F > >> client and server support STRU O VMS mode for VMS file transfers.K > >> And the server supports UNIX-emulation for listing output, allowing it 8 > >> to work with most of the PC web browsers out there. > > G > >On my home system, I generally run out-of-the-box DEC/Digital/Compaq J > >stuff, using (quite a bit of) freeware stuff (especially Madgoat) where= > >the corresponding functionality is completely missing with J > >DEC/Digital/Compaq stuff (i.e. ZIP, LaTeX etc---an exception is the OSUE > >server, but I started that before CSWS and don't see any reason to E > >switch).  Thus, HGFTP is something I have no experience with.  For I > >various reasons, I don't want to move to another IP stack, so the fact < > >that HGFTP runs on top of what I have now is interesting. > > J > >What are the main reasons for using it as opposed to the out-of-the-box > >DEC/Digital/Compaq solution?  > ; > Some of the things I can think of off the top of my head:  > G >   - Client and server support STRU O VMS (also supported by MultiNet, H >     TCPware, CMU-IP, and formerly Pathway---everybody but UCX) so thatI >     VMS <-> VMS file transfers maintain the VMS file attributes without % >     the use of a separate FDL file.  > J >   - The server supports any number of anonymous accounts, with differentI >     access rules for each account (or the same for all, if you prefer).  > K >   - The server can run in UNIX-emulation mode and has special code to try J >     to work with all the various PC GUI clients and browsers that assume >     the world runs UNIX. > < >   - A client that supports ftp URLs from the command line: > I >       $ ftp/url "ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/hgftp.zip"  > K >   - A client that supports /ANONYMOUS on the command line and on the user D >     command (very handy back in the days before COPY/FTP existed). > I >   - A client that displays file transfer stats that are meaningful when E >     you press CTRL-T or CTRL-A (so you can see how fast the file is G >     transferring, that it is in fact still transferring and not hung, < >     what data rate you're seeing, and estimated time left: > : >     [sending file dka600:[hunter]file.avi;1 to file.avi]Q >     1988608 bytes (3884/266732 blocks), 1%, in 00:00:02.10 = 946956 cps, IO=971 0 >     Estimated time remaining:    0 00:02:22.00 > + >     I couldn't work without this feature.  > F >   - The client features a VMS CLI$ interface with support for normalB >     UNIX-style commands (SET DEFAULT and CD).  Unlike any of the@ >     other FTP clients for VMS, HGFTP commands provide the caseC >     preservation of a UNIX-style interface.  For example, instead . >     of typing this for a UNIX remote server: >  >       FTP> cd "pub/VMS/alpha"  >  >     you can just do: >  >       FTP> cd pub/VMS/alpha  > F >     A minor thing, but I've used it for so long that I forget I have3 >     to quote such strings with the other clients.  > K >  - The HGFTP client and server implement the REIN command, which lets you F >    log out of an account and log in to another without disconnecting >    from the remote server. > H >  - You can easily run the server on a non-standard port, and use /PORTL >    in the client to talk to it, allowing you to run the HGFTP server while2 >    still running your stack's native FTP server. > K >  - The MGET and MPUT commands support /RECURSIVE for copying entire trees 9 >    back and forth while maintaining the tree structure.  > K > There are lots of other features, but those are the main ones I can think J > of that should make it especially interesting to a TCP/IP Services site.  D Will we *EVER* see a VMS FTP client that supports "reget" (resume anE interrupted download)? Linux and *BSD have had it for quite some time G now. I've known about it for at least two years myself, and I'm usually  very late to the show.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 14:17:12 -0400 & From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Anonymous ftp1 Message-ID: <a8vb78$i0k$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>   1 In article <3cb300c8.228648058@news.process.com>, . Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:E : I've not yet been able to figure why Mozilla fails to work with the F : UNIX-emulation output from the VMS servers.  Netscape V6.2 under W2KF : actually gets an access violation while trying to parse the returned? : output.  I don't know why.  But Netscape V4.7 and IE work OK.  : E Maybe it does a SYST, sees it's VMS (or, perhaps more accurately, not ? Unix or VMS), and so doesn't believe the Unixlike LIST results.    - Frank    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 14:22:16 -0400 & From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Anonymous ftp1 Message-ID: <a8vbgo$jbh$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>   1 In article <a8vb78$i0k$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>, ' Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote: 3 : In article <3cb300c8.228648058@news.process.com>, 0 : Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:G : : I've not yet been able to figure why Mozilla fails to work with the H : : UNIX-emulation output from the VMS servers.  Netscape V6.2 under W2KH : : actually gets an access violation while trying to parse the returnedA : : output.  I don't know why.  But Netscape V4.7 and IE work OK.  : : G : Maybe it does a SYST, sees it's VMS (or, perhaps more accurately, not A : Unix or VMS), and so doesn't believe the Unixlike LIST results. 
 :         ^^^  I meant Windows of course.   - Frank    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:49:46 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)  Subject: Re: Anonymous ftp/ Message-ID: <3cb3372a.7735603@news.process.com>   E On 9 Apr 2002 14:17:12 -0400, fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:   2 >In article <3cb300c8.228648058@news.process.com>,/ >Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote: F >: I've not yet been able to figure why Mozilla fails to work with theG >: UNIX-emulation output from the VMS servers.  Netscape V6.2 under W2K G >: actually gets an access violation while trying to parse the returned @ >: output.  I don't know why.  But Netscape V4.7 and IE work OK. >:  F >Maybe it does a SYST, sees it's VMS (or, perhaps more accurately, not@ >Unix or VMS), and so doesn't believe the Unixlike LIST results. > F Yes, some of them do, which is why you can change the SYST response inG HGFTP to try to hide that it's VMS.  But apparently I haven't hidden it C well enough yet.  Netscape V6.2 with TCPware's server will show you E the SYST output and do nothing else; with HGFTP in UNIX/stealth mode, D it doesn't do that, but does get an accvio.  I haven't tried MozillaG under VMS or UNIX (or plain Mozilla under Windows)---just Netscape V6.2 " (based on Mozilla 0.9.6, I think).   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/< New Robert R. McCammon site: http://www.RobertRMcCammon.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:17:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: API for FTP, Message-ID: <3CB3303D.B0A34B6A@videotron.ca>   Arne Vajhj wrote:8 > > How did Digital implement the COPY/FTP  in VMS 7.2 ?  @ > It could just as well (and apperently is) coded in the utility	 > itself.   T Yep. COPY/FTP  runs the image "openvms$ftp" with a bunch of the COPY/FTP parameters.  I And openvms$ftp ponts to the TCPIP$FTP_CLIENT.EXE which is the same image  involked by the command FTP   E What is interesting is a "default" OPENVMS$FTP.EXE image that sits in  sys$system that says: N "A phase 1 Integration compliant OPneVMS TCP/IP product has not been installed' or properly configured on this system".     K So I would assume that the FTP client first checks to see if it was invoked M with the "FTP" command or "COPY/FTP" and if involked with COPY/FTP will parse + the command line differently that with FTP.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:46:37 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)  Subject: Re: API for FTP/ Message-ID: <3cb336e9.7670579@news.process.com>   K On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:17:41 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  wrote: > L >So I would assume that the FTP client first checks to see if it was invokedN >with the "FTP" command or "COPY/FTP" and if involked with COPY/FTP will parse, >the command line differently that with FTP.  G Yes, that's how all of the implementations handle COPY/FTP and DIR/FTP.*   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/e8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/< New Robert R. McCammon site: http://www.RobertRMcCammon.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:04:02 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>i Subject: AS200 Serial ConsolekB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020409160153.0652ce60@raptor.psccos.com>  G How do you get this to work?  If I set the CONSOLE environment variable D to SERIAL then restart the system, nothing comes out on the console.B Is it a straight-thru connection, or do I need a null-modem cable?  F Note that also if I set it to SERIAL, then there's still output on theI graphics head.  Also, I seem to have to have a mouse and keyboard pluggedi in regardless.  E What I'm shooting for is a true headless system, only a network cableu plugged in.a   Thanks!a     ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+LI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |xI | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |eI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:15:45 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>e! Subject: Re: AS200 Serial Console#3 Message-ID: <rHJs8.2052$fL6.57516@news.cpqcorp.net>r  J I just did this the other day without a problem.  Plug in the serial cableJ (I think it was the "top" connector).  Set the console to serial, and thenI do an init.  It may take slightly longer to start on the serial port thanp you expect.e    2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message< news:5.1.0.14.2.20020409160153.0652ce60@raptor.psccos.com...I > How do you get this to work?  If I set the CONSOLE environment variableaF > to SERIAL then restart the system, nothing comes out on the console.D > Is it a straight-thru connection, or do I need a null-modem cable? >nH > Note that also if I set it to SERIAL, then there's still output on theK > graphics head.  Also, I seem to have to have a mouse and keyboard pluggedn > in regardless. > G > What I'm shooting for is a true headless system, only a network cableq
 > plugged in.  >a	 > Thanks!e >n >h > ------K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+xK > | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |IK > | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | K > | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |eK > | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |eK > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+e >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:50:49 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>! Subject: Re: AS200 Serial Console * Message-ID: <3CB38C69.40706@tsoft-inc.com>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:s  I > How do you get this to work?  If I set the CONSOLE environment variable F > to SERIAL then restart the system, nothing comes out on the console.D > Is it a straight-thru connection, or do I need a null-modem cable?    Q Definitely need to cross the signals, ie; xmit > recv, and recv > xmit.  What we h! normally call a null modem cable.   P The AS200 has a 9-pin D connector.  I'd have to dig out a manual to see the pin J values.  If you need this data, get back to me.  I've got converters that O connect to the 9-pin connector, and a normal cross over MMJ cable is then used s4 to connect to a VT terminal.  You can also use a PC.    H > Note that also if I set it to SERIAL, then there's still output on theK > graphics head.  Also, I seem to have to have a mouse and keyboard plugged* > in regardless.    ) You might need to disconnect the monitor.c    G > What I'm shooting for is a true headless system, only a network cablee
 > plugged in.0    , I think you'll need a power cable also.  :-)    J You can do this.  I've got VT terminals as consoles.  When you need to do M something, it's too much hassle to have to hook up something each time.  One 9@ VT-420 hooked to 2 systems, with sessions enabled.  Works great.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 19:51:29 -0600r% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>d! Subject: Re: AS200 Serial ConsoleSB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020409195007.00a94d40@raptor.psccos.com>  ) At 06:50 PM 4/9/2002, David Froble wrote:  >Dan O'Reilly wrote: >eI >>How do you get this to work?  If I set the CONSOLE environment variable2F >>to SERIAL then restart the system, nothing comes out on the console.D >>Is it a straight-thru connection, or do I need a null-modem cable? >r >:C >Definitely need to cross the signals, ie; xmit > recv, and recv > s1 >xmit.  What we normally call a null modem cable.  >>I >The AS200 has a 9-pin D connector.  I'd have to dig out a manual to see oC >the pin values.  If you need this data, get back to me.  I've got iI >converters that connect to the 9-pin connector, and a normal cross over eL >MMJ cable is then used to connect to a VT terminal.  You can also use a PC.  I I have the pinout, thanks.  I was going to use a PC to connect to it wheno6 I need to.  I'll pickup up the correct cable tomorrow.  H >>Note that also if I set it to SERIAL, then there's still output on theK >>graphics head.  Also, I seem to have to have a mouse and keyboard pluggedl >>in regardless. >s > * >You might need to disconnect the monitor.  G If I had everything disconnected, I kept getting an error tone from theo system on powerup.  G >>What I'm shooting for is a true headless system, only a network cable5
 >>plugged in.  >M >i- >I think you'll need a power cable also.  :-)A   Nah, I'm an optimist...8   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+fI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |EI | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |1I | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |eI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |aI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+b   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 22:31 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)h$ Subject: Re: behavior of working set, Message-ID: <9APR200222312831@gerg.tamu.edu>  - P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) writes... F }Memory will not be released until image exit. Most programs will needI }to re-allocate portions of what has been released during their run time,rF }the CRTL therefore will not release it. Actually it is not so much upH }to the CRTL as "free" is a wrapper for LIB$VM_FREE (undocumented) just H }as malloc is a wrapper for LIB$VM_MALLOC (undocumented) which wraps ...K }forget it - way too late at night (actually 2am for me to look this up :-)v  D Are you certain these aren't LIB$GET_VM (or one of the variants) andC LIB$FREE_VM (or one of the variants), both of which are documented?    --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:00:53 GMTe+ From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>   Subject: Re: Blade architectures* Message-ID: <wkzo0cu4zt.fsf@earthlink.net>  , "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:M > Distance adds about 10 us/mile (each way) to comm latency.  For actual diskFK > operations, anything much under 100 mile separation is measurable but nothM > noticeable.  Lock activity *can* be more sensitive to distance depending on.N > how intense it is, which to a significant degree depends on how suavely bothC > DLM implementors and application designers avoid the need for it.   B problem with original bus&tag at 200ft was that it was half-duplexC syncronous per byte, in the 70s, data streaming channels (still bigeD thick bus&tag) raised the transfer rate from 1.5mbyte to 3mbyte, the= distance to 400ft and effectively relaxed the syncronicity tos? 8bytes. escon raised the distance limit by further relaxing the F syncronicity but still half-duplex and syncronicity is much lower unitC than full disk record ... and so there would be multiple round-tripPE latencies per disk record transfer (aka are you assuming comm latencyn per byte or per disk record?).  C getting escon out into product (after 10+ years) was something of agB matter of the load bearing weight of the bus&tag cables (for largeD configurations) as well as some customers having to address problems> with positioning all devices within a circular 400ft radius byF migrating to a 400ft radius sphere (i.e. device spread across multipleD floors) ... it wasn't really targeted as a disaster backup scenario.  E I think capability for disaster backup scenario was demonstrated withn> full-duplex terrestrial T3s & HYPERChannel at the 1989 (1990?)E Supercomputer conference held that year in austin. In the mid-80s, weuD did some T2 disaster/backup work ... but had round-trip latencies on the order of 88,000 miles.. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hsdt  4 random early NAS/SAN, hyperchannel, a51x references:L http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#23 CP spooling & programming technology L http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#24 CP spooling & programming technology a http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#43 Bloat, elegance, simplicity and other irrelevant concepts l] http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#55 How Do the Old Mainframes Compare to Today's Micros?  L8 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#14 mainframe tcp/ip 9 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#27 Mainframes & Unix  K http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#119 Computer, supercomputers & related gW http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#38 How to learn assembler language for OS/390 ? %[ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#65 Does the word "mainframe" still have a meaning?   Z http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#66 Does the word "mainframe" still have a meaning? [ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#67 Does the word "mainframe" still have a meaning?  tZ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#68 Does the word "mainframe" still have a meaning? L http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#12 4341 was "Is a VAX a mainframe?"  . http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#30 OT? . http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#31 OT? B http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#4 Sv: First video terminal? f http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#19 Disk caching and file systems.  Disk history...people forget f http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#20 Disk caching and file systems.  Disk history...people forget f http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#21 Disk caching and file systems.  Disk history...people forget f http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#22 Disk caching and file systems.  Disk history...people forget p http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#55 FBA History Question (was: RE: What's the meaning of track overfl ow?) E http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001d.html#63 Pentium 4 Prefetch engine?  = http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#52 Pre ARPAnet email? hm http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#49 any 70's era supercomputers that ran as slow as today's supercompu  D http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#66 commodity storage servers _ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#33 Did AT&T offer Unix to Digital Equipment in the 70s? t_ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#34 Did AT&T offer Unix to Digital Equipment in the 70s? r8 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001k.html#46 3270 protocol ? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#15 departmental servers  8 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#19 3270 protocol L http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#3 News IBM loses supercomputer crown ? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#26 Open Architectures ? e9 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002.html#10 index searching oI http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#25 Crazy idea: has it been done?  aA http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#46 What goes into a 3090? e   -- tE Anne & Lynn Wheeler   | lynn@garlic.com, http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/t   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Apr 2002 18:44:37 +0100$ From: Daniel Barlow <dan@telent.net>  Subject: Re: Blade architectures0 Message-ID: <87vgb06a2i.fsf@noetbook.telent.net>  ) alexc@world.std.com (Alex Colvin) writes:n  * > 	Virtual memory is good for many things.- > 	Simulating real memory is not one of them.e >  > [anyone kow the source?]  E You're not thinking of Seymour Cray?  "Memory is like an orgasm. It'sa+ a lot better if you don't have to fake it."      -dan   -- f  H   http://ww.telent.net/cliki/ - Link farm for free CL-on-Unix resources    ------------------------------    Date: 09 Apr 2002 21:44:02 +0200- From: Andi Kleen <freitag@alancoxonachip.com>w  Subject: Re: Blade architectures3 Message-ID: <m3wuvgodx9.fsf@averell.firstfloor.org>   " hack@watson.ibm.com (hack) writes:    H > It's been a while since I looked at our protocols in detail.  ThinkingG > about this I realise that sequence numbers were not the issue anyway.rJ > TCP private port numbers *are* 16-bit, and that is definitely too small.  L certainly, but you can spread it per remote or local ip address, so it isn't a big problem in practice.   > I > Our protocols had 64-bit "channel" identifiers so they could be assumedaH > to have indefinite lifetime, beyond the death of an instance.  This is  K Modern TCP does the same using the time stamp option and PAWS, see rfc1323.o  F This only helps for the same connection though, you cannot assume thatC connections from the same IP address share the same timestamp spacerF because they could come from a NAT box that masquerades many different hosts behind the same IP.   B NAT is an enemy to good protocol design, I bet your protocol would have problems with this too.   -Andiw   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:44:54 +0000 (UTC)/ From: Sander Vesik <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee>V  Subject: Re: Blade architectures3 Message-ID: <1018381491.558088@haldjas.folklore.ee>   . In comp.arch hack <hack@watson.ibm.com> wrote:7 > In article <3cb1bab0$0$347$9b622d9e@news.freenet.de>,i. > Patrick Schaaf <mailer-daemon@bof.de> wrote:$ >>hack@watson.ibm.com (hack) writes:K >>>The *protocol* (TCP) includes bounded time-outs on the order of 45s, anddF >>>these are necessary because of the short (16-bit) sequence numbers. >>' >>Huh? TCP sequence numbers are 32 bit.e > E > Right -- 16 bits easily wrap in under 45s.  I meant "32 bits is notGF > enough", sorry.  16 bits would have been ludicrous even in the 60's. > H > It's been a while since I looked at our protocols in detail.  ThinkingG > about this I realise that sequence numbers were not the issue anyway.pJ > TCP private port numbers *are* 16-bit, and that is definitely too small. >   H "private port numbers"? You always think of tcp connections in pairs of: 	(ip1:port1, ip2:port2)i  F so more or less you start getting into trouble once you have more thanH 2^14 connections from one machine to a known port on another IP address.> This is a bit more than unlikely in the next many many years.   C The local ports can effectively be transparently and safely reused.g  ! > Thanks for your other comments.h > 	 > Michel.n   -- " 	SanderO   +++ Out of cheese error +++i   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 20:00:49 GMTS& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)  Subject: Re: Blade architectures- Message-ID: <a8vh9h$81u@web.eng.baileynm.com>n  = In article <6ec1251e.0204080937.47cad9eb@posting.google.com>,o2 Keith Parris <KeithParris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:F > I remember when some folks pooh-poohed Virtual Memory because of its; > overhead and performance concerns.  Now it is everywhere.t   Moore's Law.  J Of course it helps that memory's cheap enough that it's easy to buy enough" memory so you never do any paging.  C But, you know, PalmOS doesn't do demand paging. And neither do your A typical embedded controllers. So it's not *quite* everywhere yet.t   -- v+  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.nE   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."hL                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 20:17:54 GMTu& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)  Subject: Re: Blade architectures- Message-ID: <a8vi9i$9ed@web.eng.baileynm.com>-  M In article <a8scon$s08$1@news.btv.ibm.com>, hack <hack@watson.ibm.com> wrote:eN > You may be right though that many applications simply don't use the protocol > in a robust manner.6  ? Many of them seem to go out of their way to avoid doing so. :-PC   -- e+  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.tE   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."nL                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:36:54 +0200, From: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@eircom.net>  Subject: Re: Blade architectures7 Message-ID: <20020409193654.791ffc3f.steveo@eircom.net>-  ' On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:58:35 +0000 (UTC)-0 Sander Vesik <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee> wrote:  J SV> If I run 10 xterms I very much want them to take up 2 times the amountB SV> running a single xterm would take and not 10 times the amount.  D 	Isn't that mostly done by sharing the read only pages of the binaryG and libraries. That requires memory mapping but not necessarily virtual-G memory. Virtual memory is good for parking those rarely used pages that J for various (not necessarily good) reasons are in the memory map and using. that nice expensive RAM for more dynamic data.   -- jH C:>WIN                                          |     Directable MirrorsN The computer obeys and wins.                    |A Better Way To Focus The SunL You lose and Bill collects.                     |  licenses available - see:J                                                 |   http://www.sohara.org/   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2002 04:17:45 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  Subject: Re: Blade architectures- Message-ID: <87n0wcmxsm.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  , "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  : > "Anne & Lynn Wheeler" <lynn@garlic.com> wrote in message& > news:wkg025a5vs.fsf@earthlink.net...  = > > the issue going past 10km with any sort of performance issB > > asyncronous for both disk/file operations as well as low-level > > locking support.  B > Only for some implementations.  VMS has no difficulty whatsoever8 > working well (synchronously) at much higher distances.  A And what *could* be done. I don't remember who it was, but one of-@ the 'usual suspects' of the time (late 80s or early 90s) told of> a visit to sort a site. After a few hours of no tools, etc, he? got a Vaxstation, bridge and a modem. Arranged his system in CA = to be set up, dialed up, and satelite booted over the dial-upr' line! It was not fast, but it did work!   A That was at the most, a 28K line. Latency, yeah, plenty, how much-
 do you want!!-   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.i@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:30:52 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: CLD problem (flight)-, Message-ID: <3CB33353.CBEA4A22@videotron.ca>   VAX VMS 7.2m    $FLIGHT/COMPILE=WORLD myfile.dat   generates the following:J %DCL-I-IGNQUAL, Qualifiers appearing before this item were ignored /WORLD/  M The actual compile works fine. This message comes out for both /COMPILE=WORLDv and /COMPILE=HANGAR.5 But it isn't issued for FLIGHT/EDIT or FLIGHT/PREVIEWl  > show symbol "flight" confirms it isn't defined as some symbol.  G Seems like a very strange behaviour to me since there are no qualifiers  appearing before !  D Could this be a bug in DCL, or perhaps something in the FLIGHT CLD ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 19:00:19 GMTm- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) ! Subject: Re: CLD problem (flight) / Message-ID: <3cb33884.8082221@news.process.com>   K On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:30:52 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e wrote:   >VAX VMS 7.2 > ! >$FLIGHT/COMPILE=WORLD myfile.dati >  >generates the following:sK >%DCL-I-IGNQUAL, Qualifiers appearing before this item were ignored /WORLD/- >-N >The actual compile works fine. This message comes out for both /COMPILE=WORLD >and /COMPILE=HANGAR.26 >But it isn't issued for FLIGHT/EDIT or FLIGHT/PREVIEW >0? >show symbol "flight" confirms it isn't defined as some symbol.w >eH >Seems like a very strange behaviour to me since there are no qualifiers >appearing before !v >aE >Could this be a bug in DCL, or perhaps something in the FLIGHT CLD ?s  , Not a bug.  You see that with DELETE/SYMBOL:     $ del/sym/glob yyzD   %DCL-I-IGNQUAL, qualifiers appearing before this item were ignored    \SYM\  L I'm not sure how that gets set in the CLD file, though.  I've never wondered enough to go look for it.d   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/o8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/< New Robert R. McCammon site: http://www.RobertRMcCammon.com/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:09:13 -0400  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com! Subject: Re: CLD problem (flight)'4 Message-ID: <C2256B96.006E44F4.00@jklh22.valmet.com>  D This is because in your example del is defined as, say delete/log so> del/sym/glob yyz becomes delete/log/sym/glob yyz and "/sym" isF supposed to come immediately after delete so it ignores "/log" in thisM case and tells you about it  without telling you what exactly it is ignoring. 3 I'm not sure how this happens in the FLIGHT exampleu        0 goathunter@goatley.com on 04/09/2002 03:00:19 PM  ( Please respond to goathunter@goatley.com   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comi cc:8" Subject:  Re: CLD problem (flight)      K On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:30:52 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  wrote:   >VAX VMS 7.2 > ! >$FLIGHT/COMPILE=WORLD myfile.datr >  >generates the following:rK >%DCL-I-IGNQUAL, Qualifiers appearing before this item were ignored /WORLD/e > N >The actual compile works fine. This message comes out for both /COMPILE=WORLD >and /COMPILE=HANGAR.-6 >But it isn't issued for FLIGHT/EDIT or FLIGHT/PREVIEW >-? >show symbol "flight" confirms it isn't defined as some symbol.C > H >Seems like a very strange behaviour to me since there are no qualifiers >appearing before !P >0E >Could this be a bug in DCL, or perhaps something in the FLIGHT CLD ?.  , Not a bug.  You see that with DELETE/SYMBOL:     $ del/sym/glob yyzD   %DCL-I-IGNQUAL, qualifiers appearing before this item were ignored    \SYM\  L I'm not sure how that gets set in the CLD file, though.  I've never wondered enough to go look for it.    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/O8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/< New Robert R. McCammon site: http://www.RobertRMcCammon.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:18:28 GMTV- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)o! Subject: Re: CLD problem (flight)-0 Message-ID: <3cb34c45.13138612@news.process.com>  D On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:09:13 -0400, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote: >eE >This is because in your example del is defined as, say delete/log sod? >del/sym/glob yyz becomes delete/log/sym/glob yyz and "/sym" isiG >supposed to come immediately after delete so it ignores "/log" in thismN >case and tells you about it  without telling you what exactly it is ignoring.4 >I'm not sure how this happens in the FLIGHT example  F D'oh!  Wow.  It's been a long time since I've been bitten by somethingD like that.  You're right---I'd forgotten about having DEL defined as< DELETE/LOG, and you're right, it doesn't do that without it.   I'm embarrassed....s   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/i8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/< New Robert R. McCammon site: http://www.RobertRMcCammon.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:00:35 +0200b9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>h! Subject: Re: CLD problem (flight)e' Message-ID: <3CB36483.4F61EB4B@aaa.com>   9 I always tend to define my "personal" delete command like    $ DEL == "DELETE/LOG "  3 so when deleting anything else then files I just do)   $ DELE/SYM <symbol>a  $ to bypass the DEL symbol definition.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 23:01 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)i! Subject: Re: CLD problem (flight)t, Message-ID: <9APR200223010603@gerg.tamu.edu>  1 goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) writes...e- }Not a bug.  You see that with DELETE/SYMBOL:a }  }  $ del/sym/glob yyzpE }  %DCL-I-IGNQUAL, qualifiers appearing before this item were ignoreda	 }   \SYM\  } M }I'm not sure how that gets set in the CLD file, though.  I've never wonderedu }enough to go look for it. }  }Huntert  9 I suspect that you'll find that you have DEL as a symbol.p   $ del/sym/glo zzznB %DCL-I-IGNQUAL, qualifiers appearing before this item were ignored  \SYM\= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spellingi
 $ sh symb del    DEL == "DELETE/CONFIRM"/ $ dele/sym/glo zzz= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spellingm  L I.E. under VMS V7.2-1 it does not give the IGNQUAL if there is no qualifier.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:26:27 GMTp. From: "Popeye Jones" <popeyejones@hotmail.com>) Subject: Re: digital MicroVAX 3100-96 Box79 Message-ID: <72Qs8.4254$ir6.267255@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>1  9 Anyone know where I can get a power supply unit for this?/   Thanks  B "Popeye Jones" <popeyejones@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:... > Hello all, >0I > I recently acquired a pallet of computer equipment from a company goingg out.1 > of business.  One of the items I received is a:t >  > digital MicroVAX 3100-96 Box > w/ 128MB RAM > no SCSI devicese > no Power Supply Unit >eG > Anyone have a rough estimate of its value, before being submitted form
 > auction? >  > Thank youg > H > PS. I believe an internal SCSI Exabyte HH CTS DAT Drive was originally partD > of this system, no other computers I received had SCSI capability. >/ >0 >t >3 >T   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:28:06 -0500/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>n! Subject: RE: Exporting SYSUAF.LIS.T Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C270@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  I When I need to produce reports from the SYSUAF I use a utility called UAFsI from Joe Meadows.  It allows you to produce a much more structured outputiK than just dumping the sysuaf with the /LIST qualifier.   I got my copy as ae5 member of DECUS.  One location where I've seen it is:H# ftp://ftp.decus.org/lib/v00487/uaf/m  	 Ed Stuartc+ Information Technology & Telecommunications0
 Austin EnergytE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**    -----Original Message-----6 From: andysands@yahoo.com [mailto:andysands@yahoo.com]% Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 6:27 AMu To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml Subject: Exporting SYSUAF.LISr    A I asked a client to use the following script to download the userUC profiles from their VMS box to allow me to perform some audit work.0   Prompt		CommandT $ 		SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM $ 		RUN AUTHORIZE  UAF> 		LIST [*,*]/FULL UAF> 		EXITl  D The SYSUAF.LIS file that I have been given has no structure in it atF all (no carriage returns specified etc) so cannot be read into a fixedC width interpreter like Monarch or a delimited file interpreter like 
 ACL/Excel.  E I have received VMS downloads of these files in the past with clearlygE structured records in them.  Does anyone know what has gone wrong andlE if so what is the correct command syntax for obtaining the sysuaf.liso files in a structured form?e   Thanks in advance,   Andy   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:30:53 GMT- From: dittman@dittman.net  Subject: Fibre Channel6 Message-ID: <xtNs8.6870$F13.6559@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>  < I have a KGPSA (64-bit).  I'd like to use this under OpenVMS7 V7.3, but an HSG80 is way out of my price range.  Is itn< possible to use a simple FC backplane or a cheap third-party FC controller? -- e Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.neto= Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 12:17:41 -0700d* From: jose.arroyo@pandora.be (Jose Arroyo)- Subject: How can I format a TWP datastructure-< Message-ID: <dc4879f.0204091117.2f5cae9b@posting.google.com>   Dear group,K  E During the analysis of a crash dump on an Alpha running OpenVMS V7.3,sB when I wanted to format a datastructure I got a message within SDAF saying that it does not have TWP symbols. I did a search for all *.STBA in sys$system and sys$loadable_images but could not find a match.e  B Does someone knows where and how I could use these  symbols within8 SDA, and, for what purposes this data structure is used?   Thanks in advance, Jose Arroyoi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:29:56 -0400a5 From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom>a1 Subject: Re: How can I format a TWP datastructuref/ Message-ID: <3CB34F44.F64A6CA9@compaq.com.doom>e  I     The TWP is the terminal write packet and it holds the data needed forh' the terminal driver to do IO$_WRITExBLKmB $QIO request.  There is not SDL moudle for TWP's it along with the1 type-ahead buffer and some others are all defineda in the module TTYDEF.e  #     You can do the following in SDA       sda> read sysdeft       sda> format xxxxxxx/typ=tty     Forresto   Jose Arroyo wrote:  
 > Dear group,- >-G > During the analysis of a crash dump on an Alpha running OpenVMS V7.3, D > when I wanted to format a datastructure I got a message within SDAH > saying that it does not have TWP symbols. I did a search for all *.STBC > in sys$system and sys$loadable_images but could not find a match.6 >9D > Does someone knows where and how I could use these  symbols within: > SDA, and, for what purposes this data structure is used? >n > Thanks in advance,
 > Jose Arroyo    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:09:00 GMTc From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGe1 Subject: Re: How can I format a TWP datastructures0 Message-ID: <00A0C371.B1BB9C4C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <dc4879f.0204091117.2f5cae9b@posting.google.com>, jose.arroyo@pandora.be (Jose Arroyo) writes:d >Dear group, > F >During the analysis of a crash dump on an Alpha running OpenVMS V7.3,C >when I wanted to format a datastructure I got a message within SDAtG >saying that it does not have TWP symbols. I did a search for all *.STBiB >in sys$system and sys$loadable_images but could not find a match. > C >Does someone knows where and how I could use these  symbols withinc9 >SDA, and, for what purposes this data structure is used?d >s >Thanks in advance,e >Jose Arroyo  / A terminal write block is just an extended FKB.a  ? You could try extracting $TTYDEF from LIB.MLB and modifying it.y For example:   	.MACRO	$TWPDEF,$GBL 	$DEFINI	TWP,$GBL  	.SYMBOL_ALIGNMENT QUAD+ $EQU	TWP$K_WB_LENGTH	56- $EQU	TWP$C_WB_LENGTH	56  $EQU	TWP$S_TWPWBDEF	60 $EQU	TWP$S_TWP	60P $EQU	TWP$L_WB_FLINK	0: $EQU	TWP$L_WB_BLINK	4s $EQU	TWP$W_WB_SIZE	8 $EQU	TWP$B_WB_TYPE	10m $EQU	TWP$B_WB_FLCK	115 $EQU	TWP$L_WB_FPC	12 $EQU	TWP$S_WB_FR3	8o $EQU	TWP$Q_WB_FR3	16 $EQU	TWP$S_WB_FR4	8m $EQU	TWP$Q_WB_FR4	24 $EQU	TWP$L_WB_MAP	32 $EQU	TWP$L_WB_NEXT	36e $EQU	TWP$L_WB_END	40 $EQU	TWP$L_WB_IRP	44 $EQU	TWP$W_WB_STATUS	48e $EQU	TWP$W_WB_BCNT	50  $EQU	TWP$L_WB_RETADDR	52 $EQU	TWP$L_WB_DATA	56t 	.SYMBOL_ALIGNMENT NONE  	$DEFEND	TWP,$GBL,DEFa 	.ENDM   	$TWPDEF GLOBAL, 	.END   $ Then, $ MACRO/OBJECT=TWP.STB TWP.MAR   and READ in the file in SDA.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa            UJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:53:19 GMT21 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>vQ Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping , ofLinux-' Message-ID: <3CB3ABA5.34F025F5@fsi.net>.   John Santos wrote: > > > On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:
 > > [snip]? > > Ok it was a coeherant question and one that all the readerso: > > of this newsgroup understood perfectly just as you did/ > > but let me reprase it for you specifically." > >l7 > > Did you consistently and systematically missled the @ > > inhabitants of this newsgroup about the status and future of > > the Alpha processor ?e > >FC > > Did you consistently and systematically missled the inhabitants4: > > of this newsgroup about the market position of Alpha ? > >:C > > Did you consistently and systematically missled the inhabitantsc? > > of this newsgroup about the performance of Alpha systems ink5 > > particular I refer to the GS320 performance hype.  > >s= > > Did you consistently and systematically flame posters whon > > expressed a counter view ? > >0D > > Do you now have any missgivings having discovered belatedly that9 > > the people you flamed were right and you were wrong ?a > >  > >o > C > Andrew - Do you consistently and systematically misspell "misled"r > and "misgivings?"   3 NO! NO! See, here's what he (Andrew) seems to mean:   E He's referring to the verb "to sled", as in "to sled someone". If you-0 sled them improperly, you are said to "missled".  > Perhaps "Miss Givings" is his beau - dunno, there's not enough supporting context...    ;-)s   -- n David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/w   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:28:02 -0400:( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>O Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinuxs, Message-ID: <3CB34ED2.7080605@tsoft-inc.com>   jlsue wrote:  G > On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 16:17:05 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancya5 > <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote:k  @ >>Just to illustrate this I have just met with the CIO of one ofA >>your customers, he is consolidating all his existing datacenterfC >>applications that currently run on Alpha (OpenVMS and Tru64) onto 1 >>either IBM or Sun, he hasn't decided which yet.n >>
 >>Reasons. >>? >>Nothing wrong with the platform but as a long term Alpha user'= >>he has decided to move from Alpha to something else because : >>the Alphacide left him with a bad taste in his mouth and? >>looking exposed (he chose Alpha origionally) and the takeover ? >>of Compaq by HP was the final nail in the coffin. He will nott> >>be buying any more Alpha servers or Compaq x86 boxes either.    P Ok, many people are really upset about the cancellation of EV8 and beyond.  But K what does that have to do with what's already in the above mentioned CIO's KJ computer room?  Specifically, what's the logic in throwing perfectly good M working systems in the dumpster just because of a decision that won't affect  N anyone for several years.  I'm not sure when EV8 was to become available, but N until that date, there is no harm being done to current Alpha users.  Current C and EV7 systems will continue to do the same job for years to come.v  N I can understand not buying any more Alpha systems.  But if you truly know of M anyone stupid enough to consign good systems to the dumpster, let me know, I /) want to be the one emptying the dumpster.i      G > But, what the heck does that all have to do with me (or Fred for thattF > matter) anyway?  More specifically, how does your logic go from thisF > customer's attitudes about Alpha to saying that we're all hypocrites > (note the spelling)?    M Well, you're unfortunately part of Compaq, and it was Compaq that promised a tP future for Alpha.  They neglected to say that it would be a bad future.  It was N Compaq that first issued a white paper about how Alpha was superior to IA-64, O and then did an about face, and now claims that IA-64 will be superior.  Don't  K know how many years we'll have to wait for that state of affairs to occur.  P Might be many.  And it appears that it can only occur because Alpha development N has been cancelled, not because IA-64 would ever be able to catch up to Alpha  development.    > >>It was activities like the ones indulged in by you and other= >>members of the choir that put him in the possition he is inD; >>now ironically he remarked that he didn't realise that 25s! >>years could slip by so quickly.S >> > H > Bull S****!  Nobody in here put him in any position.  And his positionF > has not changed ONE IOTA with any of the events you name above.  TheE > fact is that any AlphaServer he bought today would still be workinge@ > just great 10 - hell, probably 20 - years from now.  This is aH > smokescreen of incongrous information stitched together to try to drawG > some bizarre conclusion (that, interestingly enough, just plays right  > into your person opinion).    N This is false.  It seems that many people were VMS and Alpha advocates within P their companies, and about now they look like idiots and losers to theirs peers = and superiors.  Compaq cut these people off below the ankles.0     Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:54:16 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>O Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinuxbC Message-ID: <siKs8.289764$2q2.26740966@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>i  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messagee& news:3CB34ED2.7080605@tsoft-inc.com...   ...a  4 > I'm not sure when EV8 was to become available, butF > until that date, there is no harm being done to current Alpha users.  J The *last* date I remember seeing was 2004, and that was after history andH future had started to be revised wholesale by Q spin.  I remember a 2003J date earlier, and suspect that it might still have been viable (given thatG the factors that significantly delayed EV7 - lock-step possibly being aoI biggie - occurred early enough not to have generated comparable delays in  EV8).e  J Yet another economy that completing EV8 could have generated:  no need for the EV79 process shrink.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Apr 2002 14:45:19 -04000 From: cstacy@theworld.com (Christopher C. Stacy)  Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX( Message-ID: <uhemkyam8.fsf@theworld.com>  ? >>>>> On 09 Apr 2002 09:53:35 -0700, Greg Finn ("Greg") writes:p  9  Greg> cstacy@theworld.com (Christopher C. Stacy) writes:w  D  >> >>>>> On 08 Apr 2002 18:56:43 -0700, Eric Smith ("Eric") writes:    Eric> I wrote:hM  >> >> Trying to use special-purpose hardware to compete with general purposeeO  >> >> CPUs is like trying to run in front of a steamroller.  You might be abletK  >> >> to do it for a short while, but you're going to get tired before themC  >> >> steamroller does.  This is why LISP machines were ultimately:  >> >> unsuccessful.  4  Eric> Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> writes:N  >> >> But to most embedded-type folks a LISP machine is not a special-purpose/  >> >> machine, it's a general-purpose machine..  K  Eric> It depends on your perspective.  But a VAX or Sun was certainly moreaJ  Eric> general-purpose than a LISP machine.  Not enough people wanted LISPK  Eric> machines, so the engineering costs couldn't be amortized over enoughy=  Eric> units to make them both cost-effective and profitable.s  G  >> I'm not sure where you get the idea that the Lisp Machine companiesaF  >> folded due to engineering costs.  That's not what happened at all.C  >> The problem had more to do with mis-management of the companiesmH  >> in areas like real estate investment, and certain failures of focus.J  >> The main feature of the Lisp Machine systems was always the software, I  >> not the hardware, but there was management confusion about that, too.wH  >> It's quite a long and complicated saga, but it had very little to do  >> with the technology itself.:  
  Greg> [snip]m  K  Greg> None of the language-specific workstations was what one would call a0N  Greg> commercial success a far as I am aware.  Pascal, Lisp and Mesa machinesO  Greg> tried their hands at becoming successful and folded.  There were severaloN  Greg> Lisp workstations.  For example, Symbolics, LMI and Xerox come to mind.C  Greg> Something was obviously wrong with all of them commercially.   B Let me understand your analysis: you're holding forth Xerox as an E example of a company that knows how to market technology (the problemrE therefore must have been in the product), and you're also saying that-C it's more likely there was something wrong with the products of tworB small startup companies because they failed: it couldn't have beenD the managgement?   (Moreover, you're re-asserting that the products ? were "language-specific" systems, although you've been informed ! that they absolutely were not...)g  C By this reasoning, DEC must have failed because the Alpha was a bad : chip, and Betamax failed because VHS was better, etc. etc.  A Companies mostly do not succeed or fail because of the quality ofiE their products.  If you look around and notice that 90% of everythingiH in the world is shit, this should be obvious.  Technical and engineeringG nerds always think the problem (or success) is based on their work, but . in the larger picture, it's almost irrelevent.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:51:31 -0700+ From: Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU>m  Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAXP Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0204091212560.13441-100000@shiva0.cac.washington.edu>  * On 9 Apr 2002, Christopher C. Stacy wrote:G > The main feature of the Lisp Machine systems was always the software,"G > not the hardware, but there was management confusion about that, too.   J People generally have a much greater commitment to software platforms thanH to hardware platforms.  There is nothing wrong with seeking a customizedG hardware platform to run a particular software platform, and very oftent that is the right thing to do.  G In the case of a PDP-10, it appears that x86 commodity hardware can rungG PDP-10 software with a 30x hit over native x86 code, which is excellentnJ given that 100x is more typical for an emulator.  Put another way, for theD price of 1.5GHz x86 commodity hardware, you can have a 50MHz PDP-10.  G Any hardware platform that can beat this on price/performance and stillmG run PDP-10 software is a superior platform for running PDP-10 software.0I This could be a custom PDP-10 on a chip.  Or it could just be a differenteB commodity architecture that is more suitable for PDP-10 microcode.  G The only thing that matters is what delivers the best price/performancepH for the software.  Commodity hardware seems to cost about $15 per PDP-10I MIPS and the last time I priced custom PDP-10 systems they were more like7) several thousand dollars per PDP-10 MIPS.y  I However, it may be possible to build a PDP-10 in custom hardware for lessl than $15 per PDP-10 MIPS.e  
 -- Mark --   http://staff.washington.edu/mrcdF Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Apr 2002 16:54:11 -04000 From: cstacy@theworld.com (Christopher C. Stacy)  Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX( Message-ID: <uwuvgwq30.fsf@theworld.com>  F >>>>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:51:31 -0700, Mark Crispin ("Mark") writes:  1  Mark> On 9 Apr 2002, Christopher C. Stacy wrote: I  >> The main feature of the Lisp Machine systems was always the software,aI  >> not the hardware, but there was management confusion about that, too.e  Q  Mark> People generally have a much greater commitment to software platforms than O  Mark> to hardware platforms.  There is nothing wrong with seeking a customizedmN  Mark> hardware platform to run a particular software platform, and very often%  Mark> that is the right thing to do.i  D The last product from Symbolics was the software-only version of theA system, which ran on the Alpha.  Unfortunately, this wasn't untiliE Symbolics had totally lost the game strategically, and was not really.D even a going concern (having about 6 employees, being in bankruptcy,E and not paying the bills, etc.).   Then of course there's the problem 8 with the viability of that new hardware platform...sigh.   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Apr 2002 18:27:32 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>m  Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX0 Message-ID: <qhzo0cs5q3.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>   I wroteyF > It depends on your perspective.  But a VAX or Sun was certainly moreE > general-purpose than a LISP machine.  Not enough people wanted LISPrF > machines, so the engineering costs couldn't be amortized over enough8 > units to make them both cost-effective and profitable.  2 cstacy@theworld.com (Christopher C. Stacy) writes:E > I'm not sure where you get the idea that the Lisp Machine companiesiD > folded due to engineering costs.  That's not what happened at all.A > The problem had more to do with mis-management of the companiessF > in areas like real estate investment, and certain failures of focus.H > The main feature of the Lisp Machine systems was always the software, G > not the hardware, but there was management confusion about that, too.rF > It's quite a long and complicated saga, but it had very little to do > with the technology itself.a  G That may all be true, but it was also the case that the market was very H limited because the lisp machine hardware was never competitive in termsH of price/performance ratio with other available choices, even if you DIDF want to run LISP.  There were some applications for which this was not	 an issue.a  C > In the context of a workstation, the Lisp Machine was certainly agD > fully "general purpose" system -- what would type of computing do - > you imagine was not possible to do with it?a  A If you really want to maintain that the Lisp machines did not useTF special-purpose processors, then please explain why they didn't simplyE use commercially available (i.e., general-purpose) processors.  Hint:aG it's because they wanted some specialized features that general-purposehB processors don't have.  In other words, they built special-purposeE processors.  Trying to argue that a Lisp machine is a general-purposeMG computer because it can run Fortran is like trying to argue that an F16aD is a a general-purpose aircraft because it can carry a commuter from San Francisco to Los Angeles.a  H Sure, it's Turing-complete.  No question about it.  It's designed to run@ Lisp efficiently, at the cost of putting it behind the curve for; everything else.  If you didn't want to run Lisp, it wasn'tI> cost-effective.  If you did want to run Lisp, it may have beenE marginally cost effective early in the product life, but not for verym long thereafter.  E I suspect that the Lisp machine companies would almost certainly havesA been more successful if they'd just developed software for use on G conventional machines instead, and stayed out of the hardware business.i  C If the world had standardized on Lisp instead of C, perhaps LMI andLH Symbolics would be where Intel or AMD are now, and Lisp processors would, be "general-purpose".  But it didn't happen.  @ The point I was trying to make was that building special-purposeD processors (even if we disagree on the exact definition of "special-E purpose") is almost always a losing proposition, because so much moreL> money is spent pushing the state-of-the-art of general-purposeI processors.  Usually by the time a special-purpose processor is designed,TD debugged, and manufactured, general-purpose processors have advancedH enough in the interim that the special-purpose processor has very little7 edge even for the task for which it has been optimized..  5 Special-purpose processors are occasionally the rightT thing for certain niches.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:52:05 -06001+ From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca>   Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX, Message-ID: <3CB3B6E5.DAD3F172@jetnet.ab.ca>   Eric Smith wrote:a  G > I suspect that the Lisp machine companies would almost certainly have-C > been more successful if they'd just developed software for use oneI > conventional machines instead, and stayed out of the hardware business.: > E > If the world had standardized on Lisp instead of C, perhaps LMI andtJ > Symbolics would be where Intel or AMD are now, and Lisp processors would. > be "general-purpose".  But it didn't happen.  G  But Lisp like Forth are so unlike most other languages that you have asH large overhead getting a machine to map to the virtual machine code bothH languages use. Read somewhere a group of people ( 1980's???) made a lispE cpu on a chip. You could process lists really fast, but you could not  add with it!  e -- F% Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *i+ www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.htmle   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2002 00:42:35 -04000 From: cstacy@theworld.com (Christopher C. Stacy)  Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX( Message-ID: <uadscw4ec.fsf@theworld.com>  @ >>>>> On 09 Apr 2002 18:27:32 -0700, Eric Smith ("Eric") writes:    Eric> I wroteH  >> It depends on your perspective.  But a VAX or Sun was certainly moreG  >> general-purpose than a LISP machine.  Not enough people wanted LISP H  >> machines, so the engineering costs couldn't be amortized over enough:  >> units to make them both cost-effective and profitable.  J  Chris>> In the context of a workstation, the Lisp Machine was certainly aK  Chris>> fully "general purpose" system -- what would type of computing do  4  Chris>> you imagine was not possible to do with it?  H  Eric> If you really want to maintain that the Lisp machines did not use!  Eric> special-purpose processorsD  E I didn't say that, as you can see above in the citation you included.lB I asked you what a "general purpose" computer was, because I would@ consider the Lisp Machine to be a "general purpose workstation".  E I did mention that later (much too late) versions of the Lisp Machinen. system ran on the DEC Alpha processor, though.  ?  Eric> Sure, it's Turing-complete.  No question about it.  It'snB  Eric> designed to run Lisp efficiently, at the cost of putting itC  Eric> behind the curve for everything else.  If you didn't want to B  Eric> run Lisp, it wasn't cost-effective.  If you did want to runD  Eric> Lisp, it may have been marginally cost effective early in the6  Eric> product life, but not for very long thereafter.  ) Exactly what curve are you talking about?y  C Do you have benchmarks comparing the FORTRAN on the Lisp Machine ton? the other machines at the time, or are you just making that up?i  B Do you have some statistics about the development cost of projectsE written in various languages (Lisp and others) using the Lisp Machine @ environment, versus the costs using conventional workstations on the same or similar projects?r  6 Did you know that it was also considered the premiere   workstation for ADA development?  8 Finally, what is the basis for your implied premise that' Lisp is not a general purpose language?s   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2002 00:44:31 -04000 From: cstacy@theworld.com (Christopher C. Stacy)  Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX( Message-ID: <u7kngw4b4.fsf@theworld.com>  @ >>>>> On 09 Apr 2002 18:27:32 -0700, Eric Smith ("Eric") writes:    Eric> I wroteH  >> It depends on your perspective.  But a VAX or Sun was certainly moreG  >> general-purpose than a LISP machine.  Not enough people wanted LISPAH  >> machines, so the engineering costs couldn't be amortized over enough:  >> units to make them both cost-effective and profitable.  J  Chris>> In the context of a workstation, the Lisp Machine was certainly aK  Chris>> fully "general purpose" system -- what would type of computing do o4  Chris>> you imagine was not possible to do with it?  H  Eric> If you really want to maintain that the Lisp machines did not use!  Eric> special-purpose processorsm  E I didn't say that, as you can see above in the citation you included.eB I asked you what a "general purpose" computer was, because I would@ consider the Lisp Machine to be a "general purpose workstation".  E I did mention that later (much too late) versions of the Lisp Machinet. system ran on the DEC Alpha processor, though.  ?  Eric> Sure, it's Turing-complete.  No question about it.  It'saB  Eric> designed to run Lisp efficiently, at the cost of putting itC  Eric> behind the curve for everything else.  If you didn't want tonB  Eric> run Lisp, it wasn't cost-effective.  If you did want to runD  Eric> Lisp, it may have been marginally cost effective early in the6  Eric> product life, but not for very long thereafter.  ) Exactly what curve are you talking about?   C Do you have benchmarks comparing the FORTRAN on the Lisp Machine toi? the other machines at the time, or are you just making that up?o  B Do you have some statistics about the development cost of projectsE written in various languages (Lisp and others) using the Lisp Machine @ environment, versus the costs using conventional workstations on the same or similar projects?n  6 Did you know that it was also considered the premiere   workstation for ADA development?  8 Finally, what is the basis for your implied premise that' Lisp is not a general purpose language?o   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2002 00:55:39 -04000 From: cstacy@theworld.com (Christopher C. Stacy)  Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX( Message-ID: <uzo0cup84.fsf@theworld.com>  F >>>>> On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:52:05 -0600, Ben Franchuk ("Ben") writes:    Ben> Eric Smith wrote:SI  >> I suspect that the Lisp machine companies would almost certainly havenE  >> been more successful if they'd just developed software for use oneK  >> conventional machines instead, and stayed out of the hardware business.e  >> G  >> If the world had standardized on Lisp instead of C, perhaps LMI andnL  >> Symbolics would be where Intel or AMD are now, and Lisp processors would0  >> be "general-purpose".  But it didn't happen.  M  Ben>  But Lisp like Forth are so unlike most other languages that you have a N  Ben> large overhead getting a machine to map to the virtual machine code bothN  Ben> languages use. Read somewhere a group of people ( 1980's???) made a lispK  Ben> cpu on a chip. You could process lists really fast, but you could notm  Ben> add with it!  H If you're thinking of the same "Lisp Machines" I'm thinking of, they hadL high-performance floating point (as well as infinite precision arithmetic), F and also were the premiere workstations for 3D graphics and animation.  D There was more than one Lisp-on-a-chip project in the 1980s, though,I and some of them were just lab experiments concerned with some particularSC aspect of Lisp, and so may have lacked good support for arithmetic. B I am thinking of the SCHEME-79 chip, for example (although I don't= remember anything about it and am too lazy to go look it up.)s  C But probably you are just repeating some nonsense that someone gave G you who didn't know what they are talking about.  It is an oft-repeated I myth that Lisp is not good at arithmetic.  This was debunked in the 1970s>? when it was shown (for one thing) that the PDP-10 Lisp compileri8 outperformed the PDP-10 FORTRAN compiler for arithmetic.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:33:52 GMTe, From: peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter Watkinson) Subject: Itanium on Ebay2 Message-ID: <3cb36bc5.15492781@news.cable.ntl.com>  = Be the first on your block to have IA64 VMS courtesy of Ebay!e    = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2015968712e   wonder if thats 10 for $5000   ;-)e           Peter Watkinsone peterw@u.genie.co.uk   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 17:55:49 -0500h- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Itanium on Ebay3 Message-ID: <cLZuSKy$G7GT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <3cb36bc5.15492781@news.cable.ntl.com>, peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter Watkinson) writes:y >  > ? > Be the first on your block to have IA64 VMS courtesy of Ebay!n >  > ? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2015968712d >  > wonder if thats 10 for $5000 >  > ;-)e  ; Ignoring the emoticon and following the "bid history" link,w: we see that this is a "Dutch Auction".  That means the ten9 highest bids all win, and they pay the price of the tenth  highest bid.  @ I think I will wait until there is one on which VMS is certified to run.s   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 23:45:17 GMT.0 From: Jeremy Fox <jerfox@cardinal1.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Re: Itanium on Ebay. Message-ID: <a8vued$3rp$1@usenet.Stanford.EDU>  = The last two sales by the seller generated negative feedback.o   -- h ------------------------
 Jeremy T. Foxh jerfox@stanford.edue   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:10:29 -04001 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com>y Subject: Re: Itanium on Ebay/ Message-ID: <ub70m6bjb7ejb1@news.supernews.com>n  > Not suprising if the last two sales were Itanium based systems   ;0)e     DT  ; Jeremy Fox <jerfox@cardinal1.Stanford.EDU> wrote in messageD( news:a8vued$3rp$1@usenet.Stanford.EDU...? > The last two sales by the seller generated negative feedback.. >  > -- > ------------------------ > Jeremy T. Foxt > jerfox@stanford.edur   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:58:07 -0400d( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Itanium on Ebay, Message-ID: <3CB38E1F.1080708@tsoft-inc.com>  L Not sure if you're joking with the question.  It's a dutch auction, the bid 3 amount is per each.  All 10 sell at the lowest bid.-   Dave     Peter Watkinson wrote:  ? > Be the first on your block to have IA64 VMS courtesy of Ebay!. >  > ? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2015968712r >  > wonder if thats 10 for $5000 >  > ;-)f >  >  >  >  >  > Peter Watkinsona > peterw@u.genie.co.uk >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:10:26 GMTp From: "ZOD" <ZOD@ZOD.com>e Subject: Re: Itanium troublestD Message-ID: <m8Gs8.2540$CA6.214050@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  C > IIRC, the only in use OS that runs on Alpha in big endian mode is,
 UNICOS/mkTL > on the T3E/T3D.  The only other OS that was planned to run on Alpha in bigF > endian mode was the Tandem NonStop Kernal.  I don't how far they got before  ) Ah...Tandem...those were the days....hehe    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:33:20 +0200 , From: Toon Moene <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Subject: Re: Itanium troubles 4 Message-ID: <3CB35010.B83297E6@moene.indiv.nluug.nl>   bill davidsen wrote:  2 > In article <a81dll$l04$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>,+ > Nick Maclaren <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:l  H > | Quite a lot and most.  Remember that most Linux software is portableG > | and already runs on 64-bit systems.  From an application viewpoint,rI > | the only differences between IA-64 and Alpha are performance and bugs 5 > | related to optimisation and similar complexities.P > J >   I was under the impression that the Alpha was a big-endian port, whichJ > presents more chances for "learning experiences" than one might imagine.  ) You're thinking of UNICOS, not Linux ....    -- sG Toon Moene - mailto:toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl - phoneto: +31 346 214290t6 Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG  Maartensdijk, The NetherlandsG Maintainer, GNU Fortran 77: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/g77_news.htmlhE Join GNU Fortran 95: http://g95.sourceforge.net/ (under construction)f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:31:24 -0400"( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>0 Subject: Re: Just another linux nightmare day #2, Message-ID: <3CB3418C.8060707@tsoft-inc.com>  < They never thought once, so 'again' is a bit difficult.  :-)   Bob Ceculski wrote:M  b > Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> wrote in message news:<3CB28F51.5090501@xs4all.nospam.nl>... > @ >>Hey Bob, care to explain what this all has to do with OpenVMS? >> >>Bart Zornt >> > > > it shows Andrew and everyone else who thinks linux is a good$ > alternative to vms to think again! >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:21:02 GMTtL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")0 Subject: Re: Just another linux nightmare day #28 Message-ID: <00A0C362.9F8A02E9@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  T In article <3CB2D5F1.CBC89691@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: >Patrick Young wrote:r >lD >> I'm sure Bob is well meaning in his efforts, even if they may not# >> be in the "best possible taste".c >-= >...recollections of Kenny Everett and his TV show, smiles...e > K >> I am confused as to why he "preaches to the converted" (ie: comp.os.vms)p >p' >Something needs to balance the trolls.o > K >> I'm sure his postings would be better placed in the advocacy departmentshF >> of newsgroups relating to the various operating systems to which he' >> sometimes quite correctly refers to.o >aF >Bob, why not set up a web site for all to see? A man of your calibre,/ >with EDT and RUNOFF skills, it'll be a breeze.o  N I'd be happy to provide him with a copy of my DSR->HTML converter.  Of course,C it's written in buggy, unreliable "C", so he may not be interested.n     -- Alane  O ===============================================================================p0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056eM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210gO ===============================================================================v   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 13:43:08 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: Macro-64 and Vax VMS 3 Message-ID: <jQRMOX7fAKKi@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  i In article <3CB2F5A4.A7ED9340@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:^ >> In article <3CAD0A91.CF37E1EF@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:H >> > Actually, Macro64 still requires a license. However, the license is >> > freely available. >> i? >> Macro64 requires a license _PAK_, which is freely available.a >> pE >> _Any_ software requires a _license_, unless you wrote it yourself.tE >> That includes Freeware.  A license might even be verbal, but it isy >> required. > - > Strictly speaking you are ofcourse correct.m > 0 > But I think everyone understood what was said.  E From the software producer viewpoint, I want people to speak strictlya in this area :-)   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:02:58 -0500 (CDT)o From: sms@antinode.org' Subject: MMOV$ALPHAVCR.EXE: bad colors?e) Message-ID: <02040923025799@antinode.org>c  :    Today's mystery: I recently cranked up the MPEG viewer,E SYS$SYSTEM:MMOV$ALPHAVCR.EXE ("Alpha VCR V2.0(s) Apr 17 2000 23:49:10nH BL1-1(Rev.1)", it says), on some old files where it had worked some timeG ago.  Now, however, it acts as if it has a bad color map, or some othertE odd defect.  The colors are defective, and the picture is marred by aeA fairly fine vertical stripe pattern.  I know of no changes to thehG configuration since it worked last.  Whacking MMOV and the X server had E no effect.  Same for specifying "-colormap private".  Anyone have anys ideas?  - AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.2-1h GYA0 is a ZLXp-E2 (PBXGA-BA)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)sC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)aG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)i9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)r   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 17:47:00 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) ' Subject: Re: More positive OpenVMS newse, Message-ID: <a8v9ek$2l7l$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  , In article <3CB325B4.F6CD4A58@videotron.ca>,0  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: |> John Smith wrote: |> > 0M |> > If Walter Hewlett gets his way, we won't have Carly to worry about, justV |> > Curly.D |> BP |> If HP doesn't get Compaq, Curly has at most one year to find a job elsewhere.  A Why would he need to run out and find a job so quickly??  If thisi? goes like most businesses today, when they send him packing (ifi@ they send him packing!!) it will be with a bag of money the size0 of which none of us here are ever likely to see.  Q |> Usually, when such merger fail, there follows a change in management some timewX |> later (later enough that it doesn't look to be a direct result of the failed merger).  F Why do people keep calling this a merger??  I thought merger implied aF joining of equals where both survive in the new company?? (Thinking ofD Lockheed Martin as my example.)  It seems to me that this is a total- buyout with Compaq not surviving in any form.    bill   -- -J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   X   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:21:53 -0400+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>>' Subject: RE: More positive OpenVMS newsiT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1E5A@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,h  @ >>> Either way, it is starting to get near NT-8. Unix is gainingH clustering, has far more business applications. Tandem is moving to thatA IA64 thing and offers the reliability some VMS customers need.<<<M  E While every OS gets better over time, one also needs to consider thatoG Customer RASS (reliability, availability, scalability and security) areiF also exponentially increasing. So, the bar is constantly being raised.F What might have been acceptable last year, may not be acceptable today or 1 year from now.t  F Good example is a number of years ago it was acceptable for every deptH to have their own budget and managed their own systems. Today, with mostF med-large Customers, major consolidation projects on ALL platforms areD being implemented and these require huge RASS features that were not there a few years ago.=20t  C Remember class schedulers, enterprise mgmt, proactive approaches tol. system mgmt etc? Well, they are back big time.  F As far as fault tolerant environments, here is recent win for OpenVMS:C http://www.mgex.com/news/news_releases/release28.html (February 21,e 2002)a  D NSK definitely has some good features and offerings. OpenVMS does asC well. One always needs to evaluate the strengths each brings to the F table, price points, application availability, RASS requirements (load9 balanced multi-site or single site with replication) etc.p   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante Compaq Canada Corp.j Professional Servicess Voice: 613-592-4660o Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]=20n Sent: April 9, 2002 2:01 PMd To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: Re: More positive OpenVMS newst     Bob Ceculski wrote: I > if Carly was going to kill vms, she would have done it the same time=20-F > mpe and tru64 was killed, but she didn't, and the itanium port is=20 > still on and EV7 is out ...j  H When Compaq seriously considered killing VMS 2 years ago, I suspect thatE they really looked at the metrics and how much "churn" they would get>G (loss of customer to competitor). They knew then that killing VMS righti0 away would disrupt Compaq's financials too much.  G Palmer may have hoped to convert VMS customers to NT. It wasn't so muchuB his execution that was flawed, but his timing. NT was nowhere near ready.  5 Remember the "VMS is now where NT 8 wants to be". ???n  F Is Windows XP , NT-5 or NT-6 ?  Either way, it is starting to get nearE NT-8. Unix is gaining clustering, has far more business applications.sG Tandem is moving to that IA64 thing and offers the reliability some VMSs customers need.t  G Times have changed. Options which were suicidal in the palmer years maye  become more palatable over time.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:26:32 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: More positive OpenVMS newstB Message-ID: <snGs8.303631$Gf.27531579@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CB32C48.7FC71569@videotron.ca...   ...d    > Is Windows XP , NT-5 or NT-6 ?  > IIRC it contains internal identifiers indicating it's NT V5.1.  .   Either way, it is starting to get near NT-8.  J Well, I believe that MS just pushed out its 'Longhorn' date again (and now( plans an 'interim' XP update version)...   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:04:28 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t' Subject: Re: More positive OpenVMS newst, Message-ID: <3CB33B31.89F3BC80@videotron.ca>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:H > Why do people keep calling this a merger??  I thought merger implied aH > joining of equals where both survive in the new company?? (Thinking ofF > Lockheed Martin as my example.)  It seems to me that this is a total/ > buyout with Compaq not surviving in any form.d    N "merger" is shorter to type than "takeover". But you are right. Since the nameJ "Compaq" is set to disapear, this is far more of a takeover than a merger.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2002 03:47:39 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: More positive OpenVMS news - Message-ID: <87r8lomz6s.fsf@prep.synonet.com>9  , "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  C > > If VMS survives the initial round, then HP will have 3 years to   > show what it > wants with VMS.  n@ > Maybe, maybe not.  Didn't MPE have a brand-new 3- (or 5-) year2 > roadmap stretching ahead of it just last summer?  uF > If the merger has anything like the teething pains everyone save C&CD > expect, expect Madame Defarge to start wielding her axe with vigor > and nothing to be safe.   A Worse, Interex scutlebutt is that anything that does not show 15% A groth year on year, get the Carly loving care and attention plan.y, IE, MPE/3000s and the calculator division...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.B@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 15:23:47 -0700l( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)' Subject: Re: More positive OpenVMS newst< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204091423.ff29149@posting.google.com>  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3CB32C48.7FC71569@videotron.ca>...a > Bob Ceculski wrote:rL > > if Carly was going to kill vms, she would have done it the same time mpeJ > > and tru64 was killed, but she didn't, and the itanium port is still on > > and EV7 is out ... > P > Times have changed. Options which were suicidal in the palmer years may become > more palatable over time.h  E well, I received today a letter from Carly ... it is available from QhD for customers like us who want to purchase alpha/vms systems and areJ unsure what will happen to vms after the merger ... she states her supportJ for vms in the letter ... now do you think she would want to tell them oneK thing then pull the carpet out from under them ... not very good p.r. move!nJ I was put on to this letter by someone high up in Q ... it is for real ...H now either Carly is lying to customers in writing or she isn't ... which is it?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 18:54:24 -0500w+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)-' Subject: Re: More positive OpenVMS newsr3 Message-ID: <wpnkBlkGP5dp@eisner.encompasserve.org>:  \ In article <87r8lomz6s.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:. > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > D >> > If VMS survives the initial round, then HP will have 3 years to! >> show what it > wants with VMS.  >   A >> Maybe, maybe not.  Didn't MPE have a brand-new 3- (or 5-) year 3 >> roadmap stretching ahead of it just last summer?i >  eG >> If the merger has anything like the teething pains everyone save C&CDE >> expect, expect Madame Defarge to start wielding her axe with vigort >> and nothing to be safe. > C > Worse, Interex scutlebutt is that anything that does not show 15%iC > groth year on year, get the Carly loving care and attention plan.:. > IE, MPE/3000s and the calculator division... >   B 	That's silly.  I'd take 5% growth in Storage and/or Tandem and/or? 	VMS over 15% growth in PCs.  At 15% growth in PCs , their lossgA 	will compound after Dell gets done with that segment.  But it is 1 	sure impressive to see how much revenues PCs do!-   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:25:20 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>D' Subject: Re: More positive OpenVMS news , Message-ID: <3CB3866E.B19DA1BF@videotron.ca>   Bob Ceculski wrote:eG > well, I received today a letter from Carly ... it is available from Q F > for customers like us who want to purchase alpha/vms systems and areL > unsure what will happen to vms after the merger ... she states her support > for vms in the letter ...r  # What is the wording used by Carly ?-  G Is it something like "support our existing customers", or "maximise the-% potential of this operating system" ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:39:33 -0400i1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>m' Subject: Re: More positive OpenVMS newse2 Message-ID: <3CB3A5E5.AEDD5E01@firstdbasource.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > JF,6 > B > >>> Either way, it is starting to get near NT-8. Unix is gainingJ > clustering, has far more business applications. Tandem is moving to thatC > IA64 thing and offers the reliability some VMS customers need.<<<  > G > While every OS gets better over time, one also needs to consider that I > Customer RASS (reliability, availability, scalability and security) are4! > also exponentially increasing. t  G I would tend to disagree.  Just a few short years ago, if customers hado? to reboot their systems as often as they do on NT and Unix, the H customers would have tossed the vendor in a heartbeat.  But now they seeH it as a "necessary evil" and they live with it and call it 99.99% uptimeG because they do not count this as downtime because it is "scheduled" --3D what morons.  This is what happens when a generation of PC kids takeE over the management of the data center and the real system admins and>G their bosses have retired.  It just shows the stupidity of those making.H the decisions today.  This is not ignorance.  They had the knowledge and exchanged it for a lie.   ( >So, the bar is constantly being raised.    G Actually NT and Unix knocked the bar to the ground an it is only a footeG off the ground when it was at 20ft in the air because NT and Unix couldt not compete in the real world.    H > What might have been acceptable last year, may not be acceptable today > or 1 year from now.  > H > Good example is a number of years ago it was acceptable for every deptJ > to have their own budget and managed their own systems. Today, with mostH > med-large Customers, major consolidation projects on ALL platforms areF > being implemented and these require huge RASS features that were not > there a few years ago. > E > Remember class schedulers, enterprise mgmt, proactive approaches to-0 > system mgmt etc? Well, they are back big time. > H > As far as fault tolerant environments, here is recent win for OpenVMS:E > http://www.mgex.com/news/news_releases/release28.html (February 21,> > 2002)n > F > NSK definitely has some good features and offerings. OpenVMS does asE > well. One always needs to evaluate the strengths each brings to the8H > table, price points, application availability, RASS requirements (load; > balanced multi-site or single site with replication) etc.s > 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultantd > Compaq Canada Corp.t > Professional Services- > Voice: 613-592-4660- > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >  > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca] > Sent: April 9, 2002 2:01 PMg > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0) > Subject: Re: More positive OpenVMS news1 >  > Bob Ceculski wrote:lH > > if Carly was going to kill vms, she would have done it the same timeE > > mpe and tru64 was killed, but she didn't, and the itanium port ist > > still on and EV7 is out .... > J > When Compaq seriously considered killing VMS 2 years ago, I suspect thatG > they really looked at the metrics and how much "churn" they would gettI > (loss of customer to competitor). They knew then that killing VMS righte2 > away would disrupt Compaq's financials too much. > I > Palmer may have hoped to convert VMS customers to NT. It wasn't so mucheD > his execution that was flawed, but his timing. NT was nowhere near > ready. > 7 > Remember the "VMS is now where NT 8 wants to be". ???r > H > Is Windows XP , NT-5 or NT-6 ?  Either way, it is starting to get nearG > NT-8. Unix is gaining clustering, has far more business applications.eI > Tandem is moving to that IA64 thing and offers the reliability some VMS= > customers need.= > I > Times have changed. Options which were suicidal in the palmer years mayk" > become more palatable over time.   --   Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163S7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com= Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)= 704-236-4377 (Mobile)-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:07:32 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>6' Subject: Re: More positive OpenVMS news@, Message-ID: <3CB3BA82.6FC3D014@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:M >         Maybe it says:  "We hate your guts but love your money you suckers. K >         When we are done with you , you are gonna wish you had never beenr >         in compooters."w    N You can't destroy over a decade of bad management of VMS with just one letter.H  Unless HP comes out publicly with a very strong commitment, followed byE SUSTAINED action to promote VMS, it will be considered as status quo.s  L One might see a spike now and then to control the negative growth of VMS (asM was done with the short lived renaissance). But it is a long term  believabletH commitment to EXPAND VMS that is needed. Life support won't be enough toD weather the IA64 transition that will cost customers time and money.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 22:35:17 -05002+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)j' Subject: Re: More positive OpenVMS newss3 Message-ID: <mYwqBCVR1aRq@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  \ In article <3CB3866E.B19DA1BF@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Bob Ceculski wrote: H >> well, I received today a letter from Carly ... it is available from QG >> for customers like us who want to purchase alpha/vms systems and are M >> unsure what will happen to vms after the merger ... she states her supportf >> for vms in the letter ... > % > What is the wording used by Carly ?  > I > Is it something like "support our existing customers", or "maximise ther' > potential of this operating system" ?h  A 	Sheesh... is your favorite vacation spot - per chance - Roswell,Y 	New Mexico?  D 	Maybe it says:  "We hate your guts but love your money you suckers.B 	When we are done with you , you are gonna wish you had never been 	in compooters."   				RobS   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:57:06 GMTu" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl># Subject: Re: Motif startup problem.n. Message-ID: <CAIs8.98$W3.1633@typhoon.bart.nl>   Fred,-  L I found a reference to the server_refresh_rate logical in Google, but set it at 75dJ Tomorrow morning I'll try 66 and 72 Hz with 1024x768, assuming that the S3 adapterl can handle that. Thanks.  
 Hans Vlems  > Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:pmFs8.2043$fL6.55352@news.cpqcorp.net...>* > $ define/sys decw$server_refresh_rate 66 >e >r# > The choices are 60, 66, 70 and 72D >>K > The screen geometry choices are 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 (you only havee > 1mb of memory).  >n > _Fredn >t9 > Hans Vlems wrote in message <3cb2b9c3$1@zfree.co.nz>...n > >  > >Fred, > >yI > >I modified DECW$DEVICE_CONFIG_GQ.COM, changed the screen resolution too	 > 800x600e7 > >and that worked. The changes are now put in the fileUK > >DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM and the original *GQ.COM file was put backw > >in place.I > >The monitor does support 1024x800 at 75 Hz, so the question is what is.8 > >the name of the variable that controls the frequency?K > >What kind of things can be put into the private server setup file, is itT > >documented? > >M > >Hansm > >m9 > >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:pF > >>The log looks fine.  Are you sure you aren't in screen saver mode? > >> > >>; > >>Hans Vlems wrote in message <3cb1bba6$1@zfree.co.nz>...  > >>>nK > >>>Hardware: white box Alpha 3000, 256 MB memory and an S3 Trio/32/Trio64 	 > >>videoa
 > >>>adapter.n6 > >>>Software: AXP/VMS 7.3, Motif and DECnet phase IV. > >>> K > >>>As soon as Motif is started the the display turns black and that's it.qH > >>>The windows server (SYS$MANAGER:DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG) looks like this:4 > >>>77 > >>> 8-APR-2002 13:45:26.4 Hello, this is the X server>J > >>>This is the DECwindows X11 display server for OpenVMS AXP V7.1-010317) > >>> compiled on Mar 17 2001 at 09:10:09i > >>>Main address = 000386A0/ > >>>Activating extension image DECW$SVEXT_Xie,.0 > >>>extension name: Xie, entry address 002E67805 > >>>Activating extension image DECW$SVEXT_DEC_XTRAP,y6 > >>>extension name: DEC-XTRAP, entry address 003B8548; > >>>Activating extension image DECW$SVEXT_Multi_Buffering,.< > >>>extension name: Multi-Buffering, entry address 003FA0A07 > >>>DECW$TRANSPORT_COMMON image base address: 7C730000b7 > >>>DECW$TRANSPORT_DECNET image base address: 0043E000 ? > >>>%DECW-I-ATTACHED, transport DECNET attached to its network 6 > >>>DECW$TRANSPORT_LOCAL image base address: 0059E0006 > >>>DECWINDOWS DigitalEquipmentCorp. AXP, Release 7.1: > >>>Shareable Image DDX GQ, InitOutput loaded at 005E1160 > >>>r- > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Init S3 screen number 0p) > >>>vgaMapScreen: Call vmsInitDeviceDatar& > >>>vgaMapScreen: Opening device GQA0& > >>>vgaMapScreen: Controller Number 0 > >>>vgaMapScreen: DVI info -/# > >>>    Width = 1024, Height = 768b1 > >>>    Video PFN = 41C0000, Video Pagelets 2048f* > >>>    CSR PFN 42C0000, CSR pagelets 128 > >>>    Planes 8tL > >>>  Swizzle Shift 5, Swizzle Length 3, Swizzle Short Mask 8, Long Mask 18) > >>>VGAVMS_MapScreen: CSRs are at 800000aG > >>>VGAVMS_MapScreen: VRAM C00000:2C00000, PFN ^x41C0000, pages 65536,r
 > onscreen > >>>C00000e$ > >>> cputype = 5 (2 = EV4, 5 = EV5)4 > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: - Set the Default Visual Class+ > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: - Call cfbInitVisualsa0 > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: - mask 0x80 bits-per-rgb 8, > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: - Visuals Information: > >>>  - Root depth        = 8 > >>>  - Number of depths  = 2 > >>>  - Number of visuals = 6 > >>>  - Default Visual    = 20i> > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Actual memory size reported is: 0x100000= > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Set screen geometry to match user setupl= > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Display Mode Index 7, Refresh Rate 72Hzl> > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Screen X 1024, Screen Y 768, density 100) > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: - Call miScreenInit>5 > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Create screen private structure J > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Mapping Enhanced Registers (font buffer VGA address)E > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: 2097152 bytes of enhanced register space mappedi) > >>>                 mapped at 0x2C00000.) > >>>                 PFN is at 0x4280A00e> > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: No DENSE space, using SPARSE memory only> > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Chip type S3 Trio64, Rev: 0x54, PNP == 1, > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: M Parameter value is 2. > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: N Parameter value is 255+ > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: FIFO checking ENABLEDt@ > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Memory Layout (from start of FB in bytes):- > >>> - memory total               0x00100000v3 > >>> - number of offscreen lines  0x000000BF (191)u- > >>> - offscreen starts at        0x000C0000 - > >>> - offscreen ends at          0x000EFC00i- > >>> - fonts cache starts at      0x000EFC00f- > >>> - fonts cache ends at        0x000FFC00e- > >>> - cursor bits are at         0x000FFC00s2 > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: - Init the common VGA screen7 > >>>VGAVMS_InitScreenCommon: Init the Screen structurei: > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Installing S3-specific optimizations( > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Using EV5 routines# > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Init hardwaret
 > >>>CR55 = 0t
 > >>>CR56 = 0w > >>>SR18 = 40 > >>>DAC Mask = FFB > >>>s3HWInit: linear addr window = 1 (0=64kb, 1=1mb, 2=2mb, 3=4mb > >>>s3HWInit: Set MMIO mode6 > >>>Initial M Parameter = 6, Setting M Parameter to 29 > >>>Initial N Parameter = 15, Setting N Parameter to 2550% > >>>End of init, turn screen back on:E > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Cursor Setup: shape and color is done by serverd5 > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Cursor is being moved by servero/ > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Call cfbCreateDefColormapm. > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: - Init the backing store< > >>>VGAVMS_SetupConsole: Console remove value (seconds) 300/ > >>>VGAVMS_SetupConsole: Issue AUTO_OPDOWN QIOt> > >>>VGAVMS_SetupConsole: Setup the console suspend routine...1 > >>>s3vmsScreenInit: Exit from init with success-H > >>>DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.USER_CURSOR32] removed from font path, fontsy > >>>unavailable.:H > >>>DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.USER_CURSOR16] removed from font path, fonts  > >>>unavailable.tL > >>>DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.USER_100DPI] removed from font path, fonts > >>unavailable.K > >>>DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.USER_75DPI] removed from font path, fontse > >>unavailable.L > >>>DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.USER_COMMON] removed from font path, fonts > >>unavailable.L > >>>DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.USER_SPEEDO] removed from font path, fonts > >>unavailable.K > >>>DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.USER_TYPE1] removed from font path, fontst > >>unavailable.5 > >>> 8-APR-2002 13:45:36.4 Calling the dispatcher...oE > >>> 8-APR-2002 13:45:36.8 CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[CONFIG.XFONTS.C.75DPI]o removed-' > >>>from font path, fonts unavailable. F > >>> 8-APR-2002 13:45:36.9 CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[CONFIG.XFONTS.C.100DPI] removed ' > >>>from font path, fonts unavailable. L > >>> 8-APR-2002 13:45:36.9 CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[CONFIG.XFONTS.C] removed from > >>font > >>>path, fonts unavailable.s > >>>a	 > >>>P.S.b# > >>>I have no control over the url  > >>>  > >>>0 > >>>3 > >>>0 > >>>http://www.zfree.co.nz  > >>>c > >> > >> > >R > >r > >i > >http://www.zfree.co.nz- > >d >1 >.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:20:35 GMTt$ From: "Upadhyaya" <ups@hotvoice.com>Y Subject: Online atricle about sample X11 server architecture and DECwindows architecture?h9 Message-ID: <n4Ps8.2$Ns3.1300569@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>i  2 Does anyone have pointer to the following article?    : Digital Technical Journal of Digital Equipment Corporation  Volume 2, Number 3, Summer, 1990?                  S. A. McGregor   An overview of the DECwindowsdJ                                   architecture . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9--15t              S. Angebranndt andaJ                    T. D. Newman   The sample X11 server architecture . . . 16--23             L. P. Treggiari andtJ                   M. D. Collins   Development of the XUI toolkit . . . . . 24--33H                 S. R. Greenwood   The DECwindows user interface language 34--43                 T. M. Spine andhG                    J. L. VanNoy   The evolution of the X user interface J                                   style  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 44--51                  R. J. Rost andu             J. D. Friedberg andn<                 P. L. Nishimoto   PEX: a network-transparentJ                                   three-dimensional graphics system  . . . 52--63C                      C. A. Kent   XDPS: a Display PostScript System J                                   extension for DECwindows . . . . . . . . 64--73                  M. R. Ryan andbH                 J. H. VanGilder   The development of DECwindows VMS mail 74--83              D. Mirchandani and>@                       P. Biswas   Ethernet performance of remoteJ                                   DECwindows applications  . . . . . . . . 84--94     Regards,	 Upadhyaya    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 18:01:40 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)5 Subject: Poor Ebay ... should have got a VMS cluster!c= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204091701.2dd4644d@posting.google.com>   3 this is were unix gets you!  from computerworld ...C  $ EBay has three outages in three days   By BRIAN SULLIVAN  (April 09, 2002) tB Online auction giant eBay has experienced three outages of varyingA severity since Sunday, a spokesman for the San Jose-based company, said.   D Yesterday, almost all of the users of the bidding site were shut outB of auctions and most other pages for about an hour, eBay spokesmanC Kevin Pursglove said. This followed a 12-hour outage on Sunday thatl> shut down the site's apparel, watches, jewelry and gems pages.  D Then, this morning, eBay users had problems accessing their personalC pages, such as My eBay and My Profile, for about an hour, Pursglove  said.l  B Sellers who were affected by the outages have the option of either= extending their auctions or receiving a credit from eBay, thetA spokesman said. The company won't know how many users opted for a F credit until the end of the month, but Pursglove said it won't have an$ effect on the company's bottom line.  D "Because of the level of economic activity, it will be a nonmaterial; effect, in terms of our quarterly numbers," Pursglove said.y  E Pursglove said that the company is still investigating the details of B the two smaller outages but that the larger outage was caused by aD corruption of data files. The corrupted files began to replicate and> quickly spread across the system, eventually shutting down the? apparel, watches, jewelry and gems pages. No other details werei available, he said.n  F This is the second time the site has been hit with outages in the pastC month. In mid-March, eBay suffered another outage that blocked some  users (see story).  F Pursglove said that the two outages aren't linked and that the company@ doesn't believe that there's a single cause behind the problems.   ------------------------------   Date: 09 Apr 2002 19:14:53 GMT* From: bart@CTI01.COMVERSE.COM (Steve Bart)+ Subject: PPP connection with authenticationrA Message-ID: <3cb33dad$0$29846$4c41069e@reader0.ash.ops.us.uu.net>   > 	Does anyone have any experience establishing a PPP connectionL from an (Alpha) VMS system (TCPIP V5.0A) to a remote dialup system requiringG authentication (in this case a Cisco router)? I routinely establish PPP G connections to DEC systems over dialup connections which do not requireoK authentication so I understand the basics of PPPD. Most of the other people H here who access the systems requiring authentication do so automagicallyJ with Microsoft PC Anywhere/Dial UP Networking. However, as a VMS dinosaur,L I would like to use my VMS workstation, if possible. Typically, if one dialsC up to these Cisco devices with terminal emulation software one getsgH a "username" prompt followed by a "password" prompt. The device has beenJ configured to not permit a direct login to the router and to only accept aE PPP connection. Is there some way to automatically or manually supply < this information and then start the PPP connection from VMS?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:37:47 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r/ Subject: Re: PPP connection with authentication , Message-ID: <3CB342FE.93B9033F@videotron.ca>   Steve Bart wrote:  > G >         Does anyone have any experience establishing a PPP connection,N > from an (Alpha) VMS system (TCPIP V5.0A) to a remote dialup system requiringI > authentication (in this case a Cisco router)? I routinely establish PPP I > connections to DEC systems over dialup connections which do not require-3 > authentication so I understand the basics of PPPDm  % Authentication can be done in 2 ways:i  > manually enter the username password in a "terminal emulator".S or use PAP to send username/password during session initiation in a "protocol" way.:  M I haven't played with this for a long time, but a PAP capable PPP client willtN send some character (or string) as soon as connection is established to signalN to the server that it wants PAP authentication, otherwise the server goes into; terminal emulation mode with the username/password prompts.   H Looking at the TCPIP 5.0 docs, it doesn't look like VMS's POP client canG handle PAP. Nest bet might be to use KERMIT to establish the connectionnL sending username/passowrd, and once done, then you start the PPD and tell itI to connect rigfht away. (allocate the port to keep it "alive" between thex kermit and the PPPD.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 02 12:54:16 MSTt" From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie)2 Subject: Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it% Message-ID: <le4bLIZ2z2MV@cc.usu.edu>T  m In article <twos8.46733$l7.4480971@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:fL > "Malcolm MacArthur" <malcolmix@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message? > news:Xns91EAD23DB7B73malcolmixnevernessfree@195.92.193.157...rL >> peripherals were made (and for which even fewer can still be found), and,2 >> as mentioned, couldn't format its own floppies. > E > I just can't remember the rationale for this.  There were certainly3M > piracy-protection efforts back then that involved special floppy formating,:. > and that might have been part of the reason.  G The rationale was that the format crammed so much into a track that the8I drive had to be rotating very close to the specified rate (3%, IIRC). The B RX50 drive installed in computers was only specified for 10% speedH tolerance. It was possible to have an RX50 drive operating in spec which; could not format floppies because it was spinning too fast.g --  N -------------------------+----------------------------------------------------+ Roger Ivie               | Free the ROT-13!r: ivie@cc.usu.edu          |    http://www.freesklyarov.org/ http://cc.usu.edu/~ivie/ |   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Apr 2002 18:04:11 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>o2 Subject: Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it0 Message-ID: <qh8z7wtldg.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>   I wrote:F > I think the initial RX01 design would have been more complicated andD > expensive if it had been designed to support formatting, so it was  > simply a cost-cutting measure.  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:sJ > Did Digital actually design and build the diskette drives ? I would haveL > though that they would have simply oem'd them and put their onw board with+ > their own firmware and interface on them.r  > They bought floppy drives from Control Data Corporation (CDC).  D But that has *nothing* to do with whether it would have cost more toH provide the additional microcode etc. to support formatting disks.  ThisH was several years before LSI floppy controller chips were available.  ItH would have taken more PROMs for microcode storage and more SSI/MSI chips  for the other necessary support.  I Other vendors (notably DSD) did seize the opportunity to offer compatibler1 floppy disk subsystems that supported formatting.e   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Apr 2002 18:05:09 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>a2 Subject: Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it0 Message-ID: <qh4riktlbu.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  + P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) writes:a > RX02 could be formatted....  > 
 > .FORMAT DY:e >  > from the RT-11 days :-)e  E That doesn't format the disk.  It just converts a formatted RX01 into8E a formatted RX02, by rewriting the data.  The disk still has to starts out formatted.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 14:24:11 -0700L1 From: KeithParris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)e% Subject: Re: Processes in state RWSCSi= Message-ID: <6ec1251e.0204091324.57763ef9@posting.google.com>r  g "Toine Dirven" <tdirven@volvocars.com> wrote in message news:<a8u8vu$67f6@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com>...eM > We have a OpenVMS cluster with 4 alpha nodes ( 3 * AS8200 and one ES40). WeVK > run OpenVMS 7.2-2 with Oracle Rdb SQL V7.0-62. We have one lock master in * > our cluster to prevent lock remastering.  D I assume you mean you have a higher value of LOCKDIRWT on one of theE nodes.  I also assume this was done because you experienced thrashing @ of lock mastership between nodes which were all running the same( application and were close in CPU power.  J >  At the moment we have a problem with batch-applications which runs on a$ > node which is not the lock master.L > These Rdb batch programs takes a long time (15 hours) to do their job. The) > process is all the time in state RWSCS.   D Most often, RWSCS state is to lock requests what LEF state is to I/OF requests.  I sometimes wish a process waiting on a lock request didn'tE get put into the class of resource wait process states -- it tends ton< confuse people because a resource wait state on VMS is often associated with doom & gloom.   I > I have increased the cluster credits to 128 on each alpha node but thise > doesn't help.   C Increasing CLUSTER_CREDITS typically helps most when there are manytB processes making simultaneous lock requests; a single batch job isE unlikely to have multiple outstanding $ENQs pending; it's more likely>= to have one $ENQW outstanding at a time, one after the other,m synchronously, as it does I/Os.   D One normally uses the presence of large and increasing values in the6 CR_WAITS field for the VMS$VAXcluster SYSAP under SHOW: CLUSTER/CONTINUOUS as an indicator of the need to increase@ CLUSTER_CREDITS.  (Similarly, large and increasing values in the? CR_WAITS field associated with an MSCP disk SYSAP connection toiE another VMS node would imply the need to increase MSCP_CREDITS on thet VMS MSCP-server node involved.)$  & > What should I do to get this faster. > + > Put LOCKDIRWT on each node to value 1 ???l  D The problems I see with using differing LOCKDIRWT values to throttle excessive lock remastering are:S% 1) It takes a reboot to change thingsCD 2) It runs the risk of overloading one specific node, and by forcingD that one node to do all the lock mastership workload, might actuallyD increase lock request latencies in practice compared to a case whereD lock mastership workload is more-evenly spread across multiple nodesE 3) It forces a particular lock mastership pattern even in cases (like8D your specific batch job) where VMS could probably do a better job ofC picking the lock master node (at least temporarily) based on actualc locking activity in the cluster   ? So I typically recommend that if you need to throttle excessiveuF remastering, you do that using the dynamic SYSGEN parameter PE1, sinceD that allows you to turn the throttling on and off as needed, lettingA VMS have free rein on activity-based lock remastering at least at D those points in time when it is beneficial to overall performance toF do so.  For this to work, LOCKDIRWT needs to be set to equal values on* all (or at least all the important) nodes.  D I generally recommend setting PE1 to a large positive value, perhapsF somewhere in the 1K to 10K range, and gradually reduce it to the pointE where remastering activity no longer causes perceptible perturbationssD in user response times.  This allows small lock trees to remaster as; VMS sees fit.  Others like to set PE1 to -1 to disable lock E remastering entirely (and save a bit of VMS overhead in not having toaE count all the lock trees' sizes every 8-second remaster scan so theireC size can be compared with PE1), but I found that this also disablestE the gathering of lock activity statistics that I like to look at withaB my LCKACT freeware tool (or with the SDA extension LCK ACTIVITY in V7.2-2 or 7.3).t  C It may help to set PE1 to 0 for a brief period (perhaps a minute orrA so) at points where your workload may have shifted (such as right F after that batch job starts, and again after it finishes) to allow VMSB to re-balance the lock mastership to reflect the current workload.  D VMS 7.3 improves lock remastering by at least an order of magnitude,@ so you may not need to use PE1 at all after you're running that.  D But getting back to the basic issue of slow batch-job performance...  C What kind of cluster interconnect(s) link your systems?  You may benD able to lower the lock latency by balancing the workload more evenlyD across multiple interconnects.  For example, if you have multiple CIE rails, the MOVE_REMOTENODE_CONNECTIONS tool from the CSC can help you D put VMS$VAXcluster connections between different pairs of nodes onto@ different CI rails, and help prevent overloading any one CI star coupler or CI adapter.  D As another poster pointed out, if you have the option of running theB batch job on the lock-master node, that can significantly speed up= lock requests.  I once set up a set of batch queues, each one>D associated with a major application file, and the queues were alwaysE kept pointed to the node which was presently the lock master node for(B that given RMS file, so jobs which primarily accessed a given file> could be directed to run on the node where they could run most efficiently.  F Also, consider this: Locks are commonly held onto for the sake of dataE protection while a process does an I/O.  If the I/O takes a long time$C to complete, other processes waiting for the same lock just have to E wait longer.  So what appears at first glance (due to RWSCS symptoms)mC to be a locking bottleneck could conceivably be an I/O bottleneck. SE (And the converse is also true, of course -- symptoms which feel like D an I/O bottleneck can sometimes be due to locking.  One has to track down the root cause.).. ----------------------------------------------. Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:03:57 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>0Y Subject: Re: Regarding Hewlett- Packard's request to dismiss a lawsuit challenging the CoNH Message-ID: <xrKs8.30982$cN1.23535@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  L http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB101829469070331800,00.html?mod=special%5F page%5Fhs%5Fhp%5Fcompaq%5F1u   updated April 9, 2002-  " Court Denies H-P's Move to Dismiss" Hewlett's Suit Over Vote on Compaq# By PUI-WING TAM and GARY MCWILLIAMS>* Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL  F A Delaware Chancery Court judge denied Hewlett-Packard Co.'s motion toG dismiss a lawsuit from dissident director Walter Hewlett, dashing H-P's J hopes of a quick resolution to the legal drama surrounding its acquisition of Compaq Computer Corp.  J In an opinion filed Monday, Judge William B. Chandler III said the lawsuitH from Mr. Hewlett "adequately pleads claims ... sufficient to withstand aJ motion to dismiss." With the denial of H-P's dismissal motion, H-P's $18.6L billion purchase of Compaq now moves to its next legal phase: a trial, whichJ some analysts said could hinder the integration efforts of H-P and Compaq.L Judge Chandler has scheduled a three-day trial to begin in Wilmington, Del., on April 23.  D The judge's ruling is a small victory for Mr. Hewlett, son of an H-PJ co-founder, who is opposed to the Compaq deal and fought a proxy battle toI defeat it. After a March 19 shareholder vote on the transaction, H-P, the4L Palo Alto, Calif., printer and computer maker, claimed it had won a majorityH of votes to approve the deal. An official vote count is under way, and a0 certified tally is likely in the next few weeks.  I Mr. Hewlett has refused to concede defeat, however, and filed his suit in F late March to legally block the deal. In the complaint, he alleges H-PH coerced a large investor, Deutsche Asset Management, a unit of Germany'sD Deutsche Bank AG, into switching votes in favor of the deal. He alsoC contends H-P misrepresented itself to shareholders by claiming that I integration efforts were going well. Mr. Hewlett is seeking to invalidate4K votes and possibly to hold a new shareholder vote with his suit. H-P denied 9 all the charges, and filed a dismissal motion on April 1.   K An H-P spokeswoman said Monday the company "remains confident, particularlyoC based on arguments presented, that once the facts are heard we will.K prevail." Mr. Hewlett, meanwhile, is "pleased" with the court's decision to . deny H-P's dismissal motion, a spokesman said.  E Larry Sonsini, H-P's outside legal counsel, noted that in a dismissalSC motion, "a court assumes without further evidence or proof that thecF plaintiffs' claims are correct." He added, "We'll defend against these claims very vigorously."  H In his opinion on the dismissal motion, Judge Chandler said he found Mr.J Hewlett and his team "successfully have alleged that H-P bought votes fromG Deutsche Bank with corporate assets, and because no steps were taken tosL ensure that the shareholder franchise was protected, H-P's motion to dismiss- the plaintiffs' vote-buying claim is denied."   I The judge added that he found Mr. Hewlett "raises a reasonable inference, @ accepting its allegations as true, that H-P management knowinglyI misrepresented material facts about integration in an effort to persuade"l! shareholders to approve the deal.a  I But Judge Chandler also noted that Mr. Hewlett and his attorneys now havexE the burden of proving both of these claims at trial later this month. I Nonetheless, "anytime you survive a motion to dismiss, you've crossed oneeH threshold," said Charles Elson, director of the University of Delaware'sG Center of Corporate Governance, who is closely following the situation.e  L Some analysts are concerned that the lawsuit may drag out plans to merge theA two companies, and that is worrying both employees and customers.o  L An H-P spokeswoman insisted integration endeavors haven't been derailed. "WeG remain optimistic we will be able to complete the merger on our currenteG schedule," she said, adding, "H-P continues its progress on integrationeH planning and looks forward to the receipt of the certified vote results,H which is expected within a few weeks." The spokeswoman said that H-P andE Compaq are continuing to proceed with executive appointments. The twoeK companies have asked executives to submit their rsums and, in some cases,mJ to re-interview for positions. Last week, H-P named 150 executives to leadF its product and services groups and important administrative and staff posts.  K But some employees, who asked not to be identified, said selection criteriagB for positions aren't clear. They added that a list of the managersF responsible for overseeing individual teams within the groups has beenH stalled amid Mr. Hewlett's suit. Many employees remain anxious about theJ 15,000 job cuts that are due to take place after the deal's close. "No oneJ knows what the heck is going on and a lot of people are looking for work,"J one H-P employee said. A Compaq manager said, "The rollout is dependent on how the lawsuit goes."  L John Sheaffer, chief executive of Sysix Technologies LLC, of Westmont, Ill.,H which resells both H-P and Compaq products, said, "My biggest concern isC people and who will be in charge of the new organization. When theyh4 implement management changes, who are those people?"  K Mr. Sheaffer said the selection process within H-P and Compaq for employeeseD is "highly controversial." He added, "As I understand it, individualJ managers have to be re-interviewed for their jobs. There's a great deal of politics involved." F H-P told employees in a memo last week that it is committed to fillingF positions in the new company "with the most capable managers from eachK company." The memo added that the company would aim to make appointments as9@ soon as possible to "reduce employee anxiety and minimize market disruption."  L Sultan Zia, newly named CEO of Sheer Networks, of Sunnyvale, Calif., and whoJ managed Compaq's Telecom Services unit until two weeks ago, said the earlyI appointments reflect a combination of managers from both firms. "They areiK behaving like it's one company and picking the best people for the job," heb said.f  E Indeed, of the top managers named last week to H-P organizations, theeJ company appears to have kept managers from each company. For instance, theE heads of H-P and Compaq Japan will jointly oversee the Japanese unit.w   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 12:48:21 -0700m( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: Relative invulnerability of VMS to buffer-overflow attacksi= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204091148.6a86a692@posting.google.com>h  e bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<a8umup$21gl$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>...c1 > In article <ub3vqudbki6g6c@corp.supernews.com>,e* >  "RLC" <rlc@magicalsoftware.com> writes: > |>D > |> The nice thing about VMS for buffer overflow attacks is that ifB > |> the web application (say HTTP server) is not given privilegesF > |> and file system privs are set correctly, it doesn't really matter@ > |> that you can execute code.  Access woudl be limited so that/ > |> nothing significant could be done anyway. Z > E > Which of course is true of a Unix system or any other OS as well.  aE > The general lack of security in most Unix systems is due to mindsetcC > (an old one that sadly is no longer acceptable for social reasonssE > rather than technical reasons) and not real technical shortcomings.a >  > bill  H any other os?  you better head on over to say ... comp.os.linux.securityH and take a gander, or better yet windoze ... they have millions of postsC reading "Help, I have been hacked" appearing hourly ... vms remains H "unhackable" for the reasons stated ... buffer overflows from ip are notJ common because of vms design ... unix/linux/windoze are insecure, and that is putting it kindly!a   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:33:30 +0000 (UTC)/ From: dontspam@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)s Subject: Re: remote mailboxb. Message-ID: <a8vfma$k75$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  z mrotgeri@web.de (ROM) writes in article <b3ad37dc.0204090933.2ef17331@posting.google.com> dated 9 Apr 2002 10:33:28 -0700:G >I can't read from the mailbox (fread()) while the process on "B" has ae >connection to the mailbox.pB >Only after the process on "B" closes the connection (fclose()) an0 >other process on "A" can read from the mailbox. >07 >What is wrong? (The used Code fragment included below)u    >To write to the mailbox on "B": >e >int iWrite = 33;D: >int numwritten = fwrite( &iWrite, sizeof(int), 1, fMBX );  J It sounds like the writer is buffering the data until it has a really goodK reason to send it.  You might want to try a fflush() after your fwrite().  n  - Just a guess.  I use SYS$QIO on my mailboxes..  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:59:50 +0200e- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>d Subject: Re: remote mailboxr' Message-ID: <3CB35647.B3CB2F1F@Free.fr>   _ VSM mailboxes are a wonderful way to do synchronous or asynchronous task to task communication.t  4 To do synchronous communication, you should do this:  / A: create, open, write, then read if necessary.nB B: attach, open, read what A has written, then write if necessary.  F repeat loop until one tells the other to close and delete the mailbox.  L See in the OpenVMS FAQ Hoff's example of the sysnet mailbox use to do DECnetK task to task communication. See also Geoff Kingsmill (SP?) TELL.COM utilityr: (actually, he is not the author but he is the maintainer).  O To do asynchronous communication, A should do a write attention AST, which willoQ trigger B read. I have a FORTRAN source doing this somewhere. No C source. Sorry.    D.    
 ROM wrote: > G > I have a C++ program that wants to communicate from one node "A" to at! > remote node "B" with a mailbox.eG > On "B" I create a mailbox via sys$crembx() and a process can open thee@ > mailbox with the fopen() function to write data to the mailbox
 > (fwrite()).e > D > From "A" I get a connection to the remote mailbox with the fopen() > function.s0 > This all works fine, but there is one problem: > H > I can't read from the mailbox (fread()) while the process on "B" has a > connection to the mailbox.C > Only after the process on "B" closes the connection (fclose()) an 1 > other process on "A" can read from the mailbox.  ../..    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:02:57 +0200r- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>u2 Subject: RIGHTSLIST.DAT locked by another user :-(' Message-ID: <3CB35702.6170F703@Free.fr>a  N Do someone know if Stan Rabinowicz' WHAT utility is available somewhere? I did! not find it on the Freeware CD's.   M I need to figure out who is the (&"&m:$#@ who has opened my rightslist.dateR file with an exclusive lock, so that I cannot open it anymore even in /SHARE mode.   Thanks,h   D.  0 PS: SDA> SH LOCK did not help. Too much data :-)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:46:13 -0400  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com6 Subject: Re: RIGHTSLIST.DAT locked by another user :-(4 Message-ID: <C2256B96.0077500C.00@jklh22.valmet.com>  > --0__=8kzgdxV9U6bcLKrZxnHRfSzMFUKqOJ4Po6hsQbcDhMc1D35r5WQB0UkT* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline       @ if you do show device/files/nosystem sys$sysdevice/output=mf.dat% search mf.dat/out=mr.dat "rightslist"eK and eliminate the obvious processes, you should get a list of suspects, no?n        0 Didier.Morandi@free.fr on 04/09/2002 05:02:57 PM  ( Please respond to Didier.Morandi@free.fr   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  cc:r3 Subject:  RIGHTSLIST.DAT locked by another user :-(r      > --0__=8kzgdxV9U6bcLKrZxnHRfSzMFUKqOJ4Po6hsQbcDhMc1D35r5WQB0UkT, Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inlinee+ Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable       H Do someone know if Stan Rabinowicz' WHAT utility is available somewhere= ? I didn! not find it on the Freeware CD's.i  H I need to figure out who is the =E7=E8(&"&m=F9:$#@ who has opened my ri= ghtslist.datH file with an exclusive lock, so that I cannot open it anymore even in /= SHAREl mode.    Thanks,s   D.  0 PS: SDA> SH LOCK did not help. Too much data :-)         =r  @ --0__=8kzgdxV9U6bcLKrZxnHRfSzMFUKqOJ4Po6hsQbcDhMc1D35r5WQB0UkT--   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:21:21 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>u6 Subject: Re: RIGHTSLIST.DAT locked by another user :-(, Message-ID: <3CB38580.20F4F0A8@videotron.ca>   Didier Morandi wrote:sO > I need to figure out who is the (&"&m:$#@ who has opened my rightslist.dat T > file with an exclusive lock, so that I cannot open it anymore even in /SHARE mode.    J PIPE SHOW DEV/FILES/NOSYS SYS$SYSDEVICE: | search sys$input RIGHTSLIST.DAT  I SHOW DEV/FILES is what differentiates grown up operating systems from thes	 kiddy OS.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:14:13 +0200w- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>e6 Subject: Re: RIGHTSLIST.DAT locked by another user :-(' Message-ID: <3CB3BC14.74B7A0F1@Free.fr>i  2 Too many. We have Rdb, Oracle and dozen of others. D.  ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:o > B > if you do show device/files/nosystem sys$sysdevice/output=mf.dat' > search mf.dat/out=mr.dat "rightslist"lM > and eliminate the obvious processes, you should get a list of suspects, no?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:15:11 +0200l- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 6 Subject: Re: RIGHTSLIST.DAT locked by another user :-(& Message-ID: <3CB3BC4E.8C3225D@Free.fr>  P Merci JF, but the question is mainly about the RMS (or physical) lock, not about$ the way to know about the processes.   D.   JF Mezei wrote:e >  > Didier Morandi wrote:EQ > > I need to figure out who is the (&"&m:$#@ who has opened my rightslist.dat V > > file with an exclusive lock, so that I cannot open it anymore even in /SHARE mode. > L > PIPE SHOW DEV/FILES/NOSYS SYS$SYSDEVICE: | search sys$input RIGHTSLIST.DAT > K > SHOW DEV/FILES is what differentiates grown up operating systems from theh > kiddy OS.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:51:41 GMTcL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")! Subject: Re: Server Side Includeso8 Message-ID: <00A0C366.E792B7BC@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  f In article <3CB2EF4F.BD7DBEC9@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: >Rob Buxton wrote: >> ) >> For anyone interested.y& >> Had some offline e-mails with Alan.C >> And still finding it difficult to reconcile the behaviour of SSIo >> across Web Servers. >> l >> The call: >> <!--#execG >> cmd="@dsa1:[apache.htdocs.wcc.command]CGI__FL_SHOW_SYS_DISK.COM" -->eE >> works fine under Apache. The .COM file is returning html formattede >> text. Which is what I want. >tG >Because of the way that IE and some other browsers handle certain filetA >types, I ALWAYS leave off the .COM on OpenVMS systems as it justa' >confuses the heck out of the browsers.   H In Rob's example, the .COM extension won't have a chance to confuse the : browser because it isn't in a URL - it's an SSI directive.     >w@ >I have had to do this on Cern, Purveyor, OSU and APACHE.  It is1 >generally not the web server, but the browser.  l  J On Apache, how did you manage to leave off the .COM?  (Did you use mappingN rules per-script?)  As far as I've been able to tell, Apache makes you specifyO the whole file name for for the CGI, while OSU doesn't require an extension andp looks for a .COM first.)   -- Alans  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210kO ===============================================================================a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:24:51 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> ! Subject: Re: Server Side IncludesR. Message-ID: <3CB3713B.4090209@wasd.vsm.com.au>   Arne Vajhj wrote: > Rob Buxton wrote:D > D >>I've been playing around with Server Side Includes on both my CSWSB >>(on OpenVMS Alpha) and WASD (on OpenVMS VAX) Web Servers and I'm0 >>coming unstuck on a number of inconsistencies. >  > @ > SSI has is somewhat a hack per design, which was quite usefull > when the WWW started.n > 6 > Today that functionality is usually provide by other8 > technologies like ASP (MS world) and JSP (Java world). >  > Arne   Also the more corss-platform PHP, Python and (perhaps to a lesser extent) Perl, using page templates.  Taking this approach allows a iH certain portability as these engines are supported on/by most platforms.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:14:00 GMTa) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)a! Subject: Re: Server Side Includesd2 Message-ID: <3cb38240.1712423634@news.wcc.govt.nz>  @ On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 03:30:38 GMT, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU. ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote:  _ >In article <3cb20685.1615212302@news.wcc.govt.nz>, rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) writes:o >>For anyone interested.% >>Had some offline e-mails with Alan.oB >>And still finding it difficult to reconcile the behaviour of SSI >>across Web Servers.o >> >>The call:  >><!--#execaF >>cmd="@dsa1:[apache.htdocs.wcc.command]CGI__FL_SHOW_SYS_DISK.COM" -->D >>works fine under Apache. The .COM file is returning html formatted >>text. Which is what I want.c >>WASD displays the html codes.a >> >>On Alans advice I've tried:nB >>set /htdocs/wcc/command/*.com CONTENT=text/html in the Map File.6 >>(htdocs is already set up as a path in the Map file) >>@ >>When that failed I copied the .COM as a .CMD and set up a new 1 >>Content Type in the http$config.conf file, e.g.c >>+ >>.CMD  text/html   DCL File to return HTMLd >>: >>also changed the above set command to reference the .CMD >> All to no avail.nE >>The only thing that delivers formatted text under WASD is to have a4C >>type="text/html" as part of the exec call. Alas, this then breaksP* >>Apache which fails to produce the page.  >lF >I think I mislaid some of the context in giving that advice.  I think >the f >n >SET path CONTENT= >  >will be effective if you do c >h* >#exec virtual /url-style-path-to-com-file >tD >but Apache will choke since it doesn't support #exec  virtual.  (ItN >does support "include virtual" which actually executes a CGI if it's pointingK >to one, but this will only get you the source of the .COM file on WASD andc >OSU.) >tN >This means I steered you wrong altogether on "#exec cmd", since I don't thinkL >WASD will ever check the content-type of a file it doesn't access through a >URL-style path. >M! >You might imagine you could use l >h >#if e >  >#elsifb >h >#endifr > J >to choose which directive to execute based on what server you're running,B >but there's no common conditional syntax between Apache and WASD. >i  7 Ah yes, already been there and discovered exactly that.u  A I think Arnes cooment about SSI being a bit of a hack and largely 3 replaced by other methodologies is largely correct.t  B And from these discussions and my own testing I'learned a bit more? about Web Servers. In summary if you've got WASD and Apache Web @ Servers don't try and get at all clever with SSI if you want any
 common pages!r  > So, again, many thanks good people for improving my knowledge.   >n >>G >>In the Apache docs I have as part of the CSWS install, the conclusionCD >>is that SSI is not a replacement for CGI. At this point I heartilyD >>agree, there's too many differences between SSI interpretations on >>different Web Servers. >> >uP >Unless you're happy with the set of SSI directives that NCSA supported in 1995   >- that still works most places. >w >-- Alan > P >===============================================================================1 > Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU"N > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056N > Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210P >=============================================================================== >w   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:00:07 +0200b2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)! Subject: Re: Server Side Includesa; Message-ID: <3cb39ca7.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>n  0 Mark Daniel (Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au) wrote: > Arne Vajhj wrote:B > > SSI has is somewhat a hack per design, which was quite usefull > > when the WWW started.  > > 8 > > Today that functionality is usually provide by other: > > technologies like ASP (MS world) and JSP (Java world). >.C > Also the more cross-platform PHP, Python and (perhaps to a lessereB > extent) Perl, using page templates.  Taking this approach allowsA > a certain portability as these engines are supported on/by mostl > platforms.  B Why should Perl provide this "to a lesser extent"? There are a lot of good templating modules.e  C Apache with mod_perl plus EmbPerl together make a platform to buildhC whole websites on. As it must be compiled along with the Apache andoE mod_perl code, I guess some work would have to be put into getting iteD stated on VMS. But knowing the author personally, I trust him enough: to not have it implemented too unixish to not be portable.   http://perl.apache.org/embperl/r   cu,t   Martin -- aF                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.delF  Redmondem delendam esse. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:44:15 +0930e/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> ! Subject: Re: Server Side Includesa. Message-ID: <3CB3AE07.4090401@wasd.vsm.com.au>   Rob Buxton wrote:p
 8< snip 8<G > As a postscript (and I don't get any kickbacks 8-) ) if Alans book isaC > anywhere near as informative as Alan has been, and as clear, thentF > it'll be a very useful guide to anyone newish to VMS Web Servers and> > wanting things explained in terminology they can understand.
 8< snip 8<  @ (I don't get any kickbacks either, unless you consider a signed ) first-edition copy graft-and-corruption.)t  K As the author of the WASD package I've been reviewing the WASD sections of  K Alan's book (and of course reading the other sections as well) and IMHO it RJ looks good.  I expect Alan's grasp of OSU (he is an OSUser after all) and H Apache will be equal-to or better-than that of WASD, which is excellent K especially considering it's not his familiar, day-to-day Web-server.  More cD importantly for a text he seems able to generate a synthesis of the K material, placing it in context and drawing out the important aspects of a eJ topic.  His material has even pointed out issues, applications and quirks H of WASD that had not previously occured to me (although perhaps this is A just due to the blinkers that seem to be worn by most 'parents').m  J Also, the book is not just about the dotted-i-s-and-crossed-t-s in server J configuration, (as might be expected) the material covers a diverse range = of topics involved in supporting a Web environment under VMS.   H I expect the (somewhat) compare-and-contrast approach (Alan may wish to I describe this differently) used in many sections of the material will be nI particularly valuable for those needing (for whatever reason) to support  L Web environments across multiple server packages, as well as those who will 1 undertake the inevitable migration at some stage.   J Even with not having seen the final product I would have no hesitation in @ recommending the text to newbies and the more experienced alike.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:53:19 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> ! Subject: Re: Server Side IncludesL. Message-ID: <3CB3B027.6010805@wasd.vsm.com.au>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:2 > Mark Daniel (Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au) wrote: >  >>Arne Vajhj wrote: >>A >>>SSI has is somewhat a hack per design, which was quite usefull  >>>when the WWW started. >>>e7 >>>Today that functionality is usually provide by other 9 >>>technologies like ASP (MS world) and JSP (Java world).e >>C >>Also the more cross-platform PHP, Python and (perhaps to a lesseroB >>extent) Perl, using page templates.  Taking this approach allowsA >>a certain portability as these engines are supported on/by mostr >>platforms. >  > D > Why should Perl provide this "to a lesser extent"? There are a lot > of good templating modules.i > E > Apache with mod_perl plus EmbPerl together make a platform to buildsE > whole websites on. As it must be compiled along with the Apache and$G > mod_perl code, I guess some work would have to be put into getting it.F > stated on VMS. But knowing the author personally, I trust him enough< > to not have it implemented too unixish to not be portable. > ! > http://perl.apache.org/embperl/5 >  > cu,F
 >   Martin  ) Just a relection of my relative ignorancec" (and perhaps prejudice) Martin ;^)  , While not decrying the undeniable popularity) and capabilities of Perl I've always felt,0 less-than-comfortable with it.  Just me I guess.  ? (Oh, and where did my "corss-platform" get corrected I wonder?)n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:56:53 +0930V/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>o! Subject: Re: Server Side Includesi, Message-ID: <3CB3B0FD.50203@wasd.vsm.com.au>   Mark Daniel wrote: > Martin Vorlaender wrote:
 8< snip 8<+ > Just a relection of my relative ignoranceh$ > (and perhaps prejudice) Martin ;^)  >. > While not decrying the undeniable popularity+ > and capabilities of Perl I've always felt 2 > less-than-comfortable with it.  Just me I guess. > B > (Oh, and where did my "corss-platform" get corrected I wonder?)   = (And where will my "relection" be corrected for that matter?)n   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 21:19 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)"= Subject: Re: Spring Forward, Fall Back - unfortunately not :- , Message-ID: <9APR200221194611@gerg.tamu.edu>   bill@cs.scranton.edu writes...9 }In article <pnueauscimdopq24748rj2epohj8blf83m@4ax.com>, . } Jamie Stallwood <news@project76.net> writes:I }|> >Excuse me, but isn't the Daylight savings time the first *Sunday* incK }|> >*April* -- which isn't until next week - April 7th -- at least that is C }|> >what it is here in the USA... Unless you guys are different...i }|> > }|> The ISO standard is the last sundays in March and October. } H }This is just like the K&R vs. ISO argument.  An American (Ben Franklin)J }invented the idea, a European changed it. And now people say the inventor }was wrong.  ;-) }  }bill   8 He may have been right at the time, but he is wrong now.   So are the Europeans.h  A Daylight savigns time is a stupid thing. It serves no purpose. If A you want to get up in the morning when it is still dark then just-E get up an hour earlier - it's what you are doing anyway with daylighta@ savings time, they've just relabled the hours so you don't think@ you are. But you are. So just do it and leave the rest of us out of it.  / The whole thing is a pointless waste of effort.T  @ Someone should invent a time machine just to go back in time andA smack Ben upside the head for inventing such a stupid thing. Theyt? could do it during the nonexistant hour in the spring. Or twice  in the fall.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:39:24 GMT4L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")= Subject: Re: Spring Forward, Fall Back - unfortunately not :-o8 Message-ID: <00A0C386.B74ADEFC@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  V In article <9APR200221194611@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes: >bill@cs.scranton.edu writes...c: >}In article <pnueauscimdopq24748rj2epohj8blf83m@4ax.com>,/ >} Jamie Stallwood <news@project76.net> writes: J >}|> >Excuse me, but isn't the Daylight savings time the first *Sunday* inL >}|> >*April* -- which isn't until next week - April 7th -- at least that isD >}|> >what it is here in the USA... Unless you guys are different... >}|> s? >}|> The ISO standard is the last sundays in March and October.  >}  I >}This is just like the K&R vs. ISO argument.  An American (Ben Franklin)-K >}invented the idea, a European changed it. And now people say the inventorM >}was wrong.  ;-)o >} e >}bill > 9 >He may have been right at the time, but he is wrong now.s >- >So are the Europeans. >oB >Daylight savigns time is a stupid thing. It serves no purpose. IfB >you want to get up in the morning when it is still dark then justF >get up an hour earlier - it's what you are doing anyway with daylightA >savings time, they've just relabled the hours so you don't thinkIA >you are. But you are. So just do it and leave the rest of us outs >of it.o >h0 >The whole thing is a pointless waste of effort. >aA >Someone should invent a time machine just to go back in time andMB >smack Ben upside the head for inventing such a stupid thing. They@ >could do it during the nonexistant hour in the spring. Or twice
 >in the fall.n    K Hey, let's have a flame war over where Daylight Savings Time was originallyw a good idea.  J I take the position that it was a good idea before reliable electric lightJ was invented.  That extra hour of daylight in the evening didn't just meanO that you got to play catch for an hour longer; it meant that you could function  for an hour longer.  i  G I don't see why we should be doing it now.  Most places that don't have:J electric lighting they tend to function more by the sun than by clock time) anyway, so DST doesn't do them much good.t   -- Alan     O ===============================================================================e0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056IM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210YO ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 22:42:09 -0500-+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) = Subject: Re: Spring Forward, Fall Back - unfortunately not :- 3 Message-ID: <Gd0xDrrJLTUi@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <00A0C386.B74ADEFC@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:iX > In article <9APR200221194611@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:  >>bill@cs.scranton.edu writes...; >>}In article <pnueauscimdopq24748rj2epohj8blf83m@4ax.com>,b0 >>} Jamie Stallwood <news@project76.net> writes:K >>}|> >Excuse me, but isn't the Daylight savings time the first *Sunday* inOM >>}|> >*April* -- which isn't until next week - April 7th -- at least that ismE >>}|> >what it is here in the USA... Unless you guys are different...h >>}|> @ >>}|> The ISO standard is the last sundays in March and October. >>} J >>}This is just like the K&R vs. ISO argument.  An American (Ben Franklin)L >>}invented the idea, a European changed it. And now people say the inventor >>}was wrong.  ;-) >>}  >>}billR >>: >>He may have been right at the time, but he is wrong now. >> >>So are the Europeans.  >>C >>Daylight savigns time is a stupid thing. It serves no purpose. IfhC >>you want to get up in the morning when it is still dark then just G >>get up an hour earlier - it's what you are doing anyway with daylight B >>savings time, they've just relabled the hours so you don't thinkB >>you are. But you are. So just do it and leave the rest of us out >>of it. >>1 >>The whole thing is a pointless waste of effort.  >>B >>Someone should invent a time machine just to go back in time andC >>smack Ben upside the head for inventing such a stupid thing. They A >>could do it during the nonexistant hour in the spring. Or twicek >>in the fall. >  > M > Hey, let's have a flame war over where Daylight Savings Time was originally- > a good idea. > L > I take the position that it was a good idea before reliable electric lightL > was invented.  That extra hour of daylight in the evening didn't just meanQ > that you got to play catch for an hour longer; it meant that you could functionr > for an hour longer.  l > I > I don't see why we should be doing it now.  Most places that don't havesL > electric lighting they tend to function more by the sun than by clock time+ > anyway, so DST doesn't do them much good.e >   @ 	One of the better reasons is it is light earlier in the Winter,A 	hence school kids are walking around in the morning in daylight.(  E 	With all the crazy drivers here on the NorthEast Coast of the United(A 	States, this is a good thing.  Crazy?  Yes.  We had friends movesD 	up here from Greenville, SC and were *shocked* at how rude and fast? 	folks drive in Philadelphia.  Having been away from Philly fore4 	a 10-12 year stretch, I had forgotten the zaniness.   				Robo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:17:31 -04002- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>30 Subject: Sun to the rescue (Microsoft antitrust), Message-ID: <3CB34C4C.3FB0A5DB@videotron.ca>  F How come Compaq and HP don't complain about MS's antitrust practices ?  N Microsoft's Identity Technology Is a Threat to Internet Businesses, Rival Says  F WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Microsoft rival testified Tuesday that the firm'sF dominance in desktop computer operating systems allows it to shut downG emerging Internet services and take customers away from other companiesr! involved in electronic commerce.    J  Jonathan Schwartz, a Sun Microsystems senior vice president, said a courtH should impose the antitrust penalties requested by nine states to ensureN Microsoft does not use its Windows operating system to shut out new services.   M  Sun, Microsoft and several other companies are developing  Web services that>N would allow customers to access programs, messages, targeted sales pitches andG other data from any Internet-connected device, such as a cell phone, an 3 interactive television box or a personal computer.    G  Schwartz said Microsoft's identity authentication technology, known astM Passport, places Microsoft as a middleman between  e-commerce sites and their D customers. Microsoft could start charging for the technology or hold2 customers' personal information hostage, he said.   L  "I believe that Passport is in fact an intermediary and a threat," Schwartz said.   H  Users of Microsoft's newest Windows XP operating system are  constantlyF reminded to create a Passport account. One is required for Microsoft'sO Internet service, portions of its Web sites and its instant messaging product.    M Schwartz is Sun's top representative on the Liberty Alliance, a group startedkM by Sun to create open technology standards for identity authentication on the K Internet. The group includes companies like Bank of America, General Motorsl and American Airlines. t  H Microsoft lawyer Steven Holley accused Schwartz of deriding Passport andH misstating Microsoft's intentions in order to scare other companies into joining Liberty. t  G Holley said Liberty's name is "an insult, because it means liberty from  Microsoft hegemony." g  L Schwartz replied, "With all due respect, I think that's a little paranoid."   M The states want U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly to force MicrosoftfM to create a stripped-down version of its flagship Windows software that couldSL incorporate competitors' features. The states also want Microsoft to divulge2 the blueprints for its Internet Explorer browser.   I The federal government and nine other states settled their antitrust casea2 against Microsoft last year for lesser penalties.   J The original judge in the case, Thomas Penfield Jackson, ordered MicrosoftD broken into two companies after concluding that it illegally stifledF competitors. An appeals court reversed the breakup order and appointed. Kollar-Kotelly to determine a new punishment.   N Microsoft asked Kollar-Kotelly to throw out much of Schwartz's testimony aboutM Web services, as those products -- which are in their infancy now -- were notn5 mentioned explicitly in the first phase of the case. 6  N Kollar-Kotelly postponed a decision. She said she was skeptical of Microsoft'sF argument that Schwartz's testimony didn't rise to an allegation of newM antitrust violations but at the same time consisted of allegations that coulde) not be addressed in the penalty hearing. i  F "I will note that Microsoft sounds a little schizophrenic," she said.   D Kollar-Kotelly has not thrown out any testimony about new devices orG technology, to the frustration of Microsoft lawyers. Microsoft wants to : confine the case to the consumer desktop computer market.   F Microsoft's Holley presented a Sun document sent to Justice DepartmentM antitrust chief Charles James that recommended many penalties that were lateraN mirrored in the states' proposed remedies. The suggestions, which included theH modular Windows provision and enforcement requirements, were rejected by James. h  M "So Mr. James apparently didn't think it was a very good idea," Holley said. i  + "Or Microsoft didn't, yes," Schwartz said. r  K Princeton University professor Andrew Appel began testifying for the states M late Tuesday. Appel said that despite Microsoft's protests, Microsoft has theuC ability to create a modular version of Windows and that the federal I settlement's disclosure requirement is not strong enough to help softwarel developers.   G States that rejected the government's settlement with Microsoft and are F continuing to pursue the antitrust case are Iowa, Utah, Massachusetts,L Connecticut, California, Kansas, Florida, Minnesota and West Virginia, along with the District of Columbia.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 17:10:13 GMT-3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)3 Subject: TLZ6L insightsr0 Message-ID: <a8v79l$4bu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hello,  L this might be a bit off-topic, but we would like to connect TLZ6L autoloaderM to a MacIntosh with Retrospect. As this device is not officially supported by K Retrospect we patched the Mac software to do it anyway. So far so good. But C the hardware data-compression doesn't work. I see that I can enabletO compression under VMS via software. Retrospect assumes the same, shows the datagK as compressed but the corresponding LED on the TLZ6L is off and the storagea7 capacity of a 90m tape is only 2 GB. Thus my questions: (    What kind of a drive is in the TLZ6L?/    I know it is one from Conner, but which one?cM    The stand-alone-model TLZ06 has a dip-switch to enable compression that isaI    not mentioned in the TLZ6L manual. Is this dip-switch somewhere insideS
    anyway?L    Is there a better hardware-related newsgroup for this kind of a question?<    Are there variants in SCSI commands to enable compaction?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannn  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:33:35 -0700, From: "Ed Albert" <cea7002@axe.humboldt.edu>$ Subject: VMS - FTP assistance needed* Message-ID: <a8vj45$2shpu$1@hades.csu.net>  K Need some assistance in figuring out a straightforward way of trapping someeJ FTP errors and causing the "ON ERROR" processing to occur.  Appreciate any help that I can get on this ...n  L FTPs run with invalid file names for the from file in a PUT do not cause theK job running the FTP to fail and go to the ON ERROR routine.   The log showskK two errors: "%FTP-E-OPNINP, Error opening testfile.txt; for input" followed F by a "-RMS-E-FNF, file not found" error.  But the FTP continues on and6 reports success in a subsequent "show status" command.  L A similar situation occurs whenever a GET is generated for a file missing onL the remote end, where the error reported is "550 testfiles/apr/testfile.xxx:I The system cannot find the file specified.", yet processing continues andu6 reports success in a subsequent "show status" command.  G The ON ERROR condition works in other failures, such as when the remotet server is unavailable, etc.   L Read through the documentation (what little there is of it) and did not comeJ across anything that helped.  These FTPs are originating from a DCL job onJ our Alpha (OpenVMS V7.1) and interact with a Windows NT file server (v4.0, SP-6) running IIS.  	 Ed Albertd* Humboldt State University - Fiscal Affairs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:34:30 -0500cC From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>k( Subject: Re: VMS - FTP assistance neededH Message-ID: <craig.berry-1B7621.16343009042002@news.directvinternet.com>  * In article <a8vj45$2shpu$1@hades.csu.net>,.  "Ed Albert" <cea7002@axe.humboldt.edu> wrote:  N > FTPs run with invalid file names for the from file in a PUT do not cause theM > job running the FTP to fail and go to the ON ERROR routine.   The log shows M > two errors: "%FTP-E-OPNINP, Error opening testfile.txt; for input" followed H > by a "-RMS-E-FNF, file not found" error.  But the FTP continues on and8 > reports success in a subsequent "show status" command.     Ed,6  E You don't say which FTP client you are using (there are about 4 or 5 :H likely candidates any of which could be invoked by issuing "FTP" at the @ DCL prompt).  Generally speaking, though, if you want DCL error G handling then you need to issue DCL commands, not commands internal to ) the FTP client.   3 For example, if your upload script looks like this:o  & $ ftp/user=uname/pass=pass ftp.foo.com ftp> put myfile.datt	 ftp> exit. $   H any error in the put will not be trapped by DCL because you are in FTP, H not DCL, at the time you issue the put command.  As long as the exit is % successful, that's what DCL will see.2  I However, if you do something like the following instead, then DCL *will* r) see the success or failure of the upload:g  2 $ copy/ftp myfile.dat ftp.foo.com"uname pass"::*.*  F Some FTP clients (notably Multinet and HGFTP) also support one-liners B where you can pass a single FTP command at the end of the DCL ftp  command:  5 $ ftp/user=uname/pass=pass ftp.foo.com put myfile.dat*  H and here too you would see the status of the put propagated out to DCL. ;  I'd suggest looking at HELP COPY/FTP and going from there..   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:13:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ( Subject: Re: VMS - FTP assistance needed, Message-ID: <3CB383AD.A3A6FB85@videotron.ca>   Ed Albert wrote:M > two errors: "%FTP-E-OPNINP, Error opening testfile.txt; for input" followed H > by a "-RMS-E-FNF, file not found" error.  But the FTP continues on and8 > reports success in a subsequent "show status" command.  L Your ON ERROR/ON WARNING works on the exit status from the FTP image. If theM last FTP command executed succesfully, it is likely that FTP will exit with ayN succes status, even though somewhere along the way it would have had an error.  E If you are using the DDigital TCPIP Services 5.x FTP client, HELP SEThM ERROR_LEVEL is your friend. It defines what levelk of error will cause FTP toaM exit. If FTP exits at the first error/warning encountered, the $STATUS is DCLh! will undoubtedly report an error.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:01:51 GMT ) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton).( Subject: Re: VMS - FTP assistance needed2 Message-ID: <3cb38d7e.1715301733@news.wcc.govt.nz>  . On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:33:35 -0700, "Ed Albert"! <cea7002@axe.humboldt.edu> wrote:n  L >Need some assistance in figuring out a straightforward way of trapping someK >FTP errors and causing the "ON ERROR" processing to occur.  Appreciate anyp  >help that I can get on this ... >oM >FTPs run with invalid file names for the from file in a PUT do not cause thegL >job running the FTP to fail and go to the ON ERROR routine.   The log showsL >two errors: "%FTP-E-OPNINP, Error opening testfile.txt; for input" followedG >by a "-RMS-E-FNF, file not found" error.  But the FTP continues on andn7 >reports success in a subsequent "show status" command.s >SM >A similar situation occurs whenever a GET is generated for a file missing oneM >the remote end, where the error reported is "550 testfiles/apr/testfile.xxx:HJ >The system cannot find the file specified.", yet processing continues and7 >reports success in a subsequent "show status" command.t >rH >The ON ERROR condition works in other failures, such as when the remote >server is unavailable, etc. >lM >Read through the documentation (what little there is of it) and did not come K >across anything that helped.  These FTPs are originating from a DCL job onaK >our Alpha (OpenVMS V7.1) and interact with a Windows NT file server (v4.0,a >SP-6) running IIS.S >o  D Main info missing is the IP Stack. I seem to recall the Multinet FTP% Product had very good error handling.t  E On TCPIP 5,1, ftp processing is stopped if a file is missing. You can C check the $status at the end of the ftp and act on that rather thanD use the on error handling.? The $status value does change  depending on the way ftp failed.i    
 >Ed Albert+ >Humboldt State University - Fiscal Affairs  >r >  >l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:06:33 +0200r2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)( Subject: Re: VMS - FTP assistance needed; Message-ID: <3cb39e29.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>g  B Craig A. Berry (craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com) wrote:/ > "Ed Albert" <cea7002@axe.humboldt.edu> wrote: F > > FTPs run with invalid file names for the from file in a PUT do notI > > cause the job running the FTP to fail and go to the ON ERROR routine.: ...eH > Some FTP clients (notably Multinet and HGFTP) also support one-liners D > where you can pass a single FTP command at the end of the DCL ftp 
 > command: >=7 > $ ftp/user=uname/pass=pass ftp.foo.com put myfile.dat= >eJ > and here too you would see the status of the put propagated out to DCL.   F Moreover, TCPware and MultiNet allow you to instruct the FTP client toI save an error status to return it to DCL (sorry to be fuzzy - I'm at homer now, and the docs are at work).B   cu,@   Martin -- ND                        |  Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer1   OpenVMS: When you    |  work: mv@pdv-systeme.de1E   KNOW where you want  |     http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/c8   to go today.         |  home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:47:27 GMT:) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)s Subject: VMS 7.2-1 to 7.2.2*2 Message-ID: <3cb398a3.1718154675@news.wcc.govt.nz>   Hi All,   / Anyone done the OpenVMS 7.2-1 to 7.2-2 upgrade?   E I've got a pretty much fully patched 7.2-1 System and I'm thinking ofi; going to 7.2-2 to stay within the Compaq Support framework.s   Any experiences, gotchas etc.   D Don't want to go to 7.3 yet as that would involve a lot more testing2 whereas this is more just a consolidation release.   Already running TCPIP 5.1 Eco 3  DECnet V is 7.2-1 Eco 3u   TIA    Rob.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 03:13:34 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> % Subject: Re: VMS License PAK Problems ' Message-ID: <3CB3B064.B9B9B513@fsi.net>'   tom vedder wrote:a >  > Hardware: DEC 3000/300X  > Software: VMS 7.2l > Knowledge: newbieu > M > When logging into CDE for the first time as "system", this message appears:> > ! > "LMF license check has failed."t > N > I already read MGMT59 (Resolving License PAK Problems?) of the OpenVMS faqs. > But that's of no help.  G 1. You can look at the SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG file (if you're runningg OPCOM with a log):  , $ TYPE SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG/OUT=OPER.LOG $ SEARCH OPER.LOG LICENSEm  3 2. You can do this at the top of SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM:   1 $ DEFINE SYS$OUTPUT SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.LOG   G ...and then examine SYSTARTUP_VMS.LOG once the system is up to see whatr7 kind of stuff happened when the syatem was starting up.g  B Look for any evidence that the license(s) failed to load at system
 startup time.    --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:54:02 -0400% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>h1 Subject: Re: VMS Rocks (was Re: VMS doesn't suck)l/ Message-ID: <ub6l7b6315gr26@news.supernews.com>   H You had the wrong subject if you're interested in affecting the results!  7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in messageu. news:a8slp1$v5pt6$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de... > See here:  >t > http://srom.zgp.org/ >h > jimv >  >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:50:40 +0200.- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> , Subject: Re: Who has (ever) used DECmigrate?' Message-ID: <3CB35421.4EC39D84@Free.fr>3  1 This is very interesting. Could you tell us more?e   Why did you patch the original?r  How did you know where to patch?* What did you patch? code? data? addresses?   Thanks,s   D.     Bob Koehler wrote: ../.. G >    Then I went back and patched the original VAX image and re-VESTed,l >    still worked fine.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 19:24:04 GMTu0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)= Subject: Re: Why VMS is "unhackable" lesson 3 ... (follow-up).7 Message-ID: <3cb3400b.65474297@proxy.news.easynews.com>p  E On 8 Apr 2002 21:09:50 -0500, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)y wrote:  l >In article <N0ks8.2005$fL6.47616@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:L >> It doesn't have to do it that way.  But yes, there are JIT compilers thatO >> generate machine code on the fly.  They have to do more than simply generateoI >> the code and jump to it on Alpha.  They also need to get it out of thre >> dcache into the icache. >eB >Ok, I'll bite.  Why is it necessary to get it out of the dcache ?  C It's probably not strictly necessary to purge the memory out of thee? dcache, but it's certainly necessary to get it into the icache.o; For security reasons the JIT compiler would want to set thet< newly-generated code read-only, or even data-read-prohibited (if that can be done).  
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 19:29:01 GMTp0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)= Subject: Re: Why VMS is "unhackable" lesson 3 ... (follow-up)n7 Message-ID: <3cb340d4.65675235@proxy.news.easynews.com>h  A On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:50:23 GMT, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@insightbb.com>y wrote:  C >In my limited following of all this, the scenario of "flushing themD >i-cache" sounds like a chicken-and-egg thing.  If you can't executeG >code in the data area without flushing the i-cache, how do you executea >a command to flush that cache?i  B At the user program level, this is done by changing the protectionD on the page from read/write/no-execute to read-only/execute.  The OS, then has to purge the caches as appropriate.  
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.p   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Apr 2002 03:44:16 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: Why VMS is "unhackable" lesson 3 ... (follow-up)p- Message-ID: <87vgb0mzcf.fsf@prep.synonet.com>n  / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:r  ; > In article <N0ks8.2005$fL6.47616@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred 3 > Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:f  > > > It doesn't have to do it that way.  But yes, there are JITE > > compilers that generate machine code on the fly.  They have to doeE > > more than simply generate the code and jump to it on Alpha.  Theyo: > > also need to get it out of thr dcache into the icache.   C > Ok, I'll bite.  Why is it necessary to get it out of the dcache ?o  @ Well, more specifically, get it into memory so it can be fetchedG into the i-cache. Remember, the i and d-caches are not kept consistant,yG so a fetch without flushing the code out will get the old memory value,. not the current d-cache value.  ( As the saying goes, 'variables won't' ')     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.d@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 13:10:25 -0700o( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: Will IBM buy Sun?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204091210.58614812@posting.google.com>r  r "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<DEAs8.28470$cN1.7938@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...@ > --------------------------------------------------------------* >  This story was printed from Enterprise,. >  located at http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise.A >  --------------------------------------------------------------  >  > When will IBM buy Sun?< > By David Berlind, Enterprise April 8, 2002 6:43 AM PT URL: >   6 never ... they already blew their chance at Alpha/VMS!   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Apr 2002 22:27 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e Subject: Re: Will IBM buy Sun?, Message-ID: <9APR200222275195@gerg.tamu.edu>  6 John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> writes... }--SkvwRMAIpAhPCcCJ + }Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii  }Content-Disposition: inline, }Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable } M }You know, just because Ziff Davis became the media giant it is because of t=-4 }he PC doesn't mean the world revoles around PCs.=20 } M }Yes IBM does well with the Thinkpad division, and yes I'm sure there are so= M }ur grapes over OS/2, but do you think anyone is crying that they're not sel=,. }ling PCs at a profit of 6 cents per machine? 0 }John W. 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For example,</font> P                                       <font face="Tahoma" size="2">it would takeP                                       1.1 minutes to download a 100 MB file withA                                       USB 1.1 devices in a</font> M                                       <font face="Tahoma" size="2">sustained, N                                       optimal condition, while with USB 2.0 itS                                       only takes 1.6 seconds to transfer the</font> X                                       <font face="Tahoma" size="2">same file.</font></p>                                       <p ALIGN="left" style="line-height: 100%; word-spacing: 0; margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>3.F                                       Why do I need it?</b></font></p>                                       <p ALIGN="left" style="line-height: 100%; word-spacing: 0; margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">USBM                                       2.0 will become the standard for future P                                       peripherals using the USB interface</font>N                                       <font face="Tahoma" size="2">connection.O                                       However, it will not replace original USBtu                                       technology in all products. Next</font> <font face="Tahoma" size="2">generationeN                                       USB allows users to transfer data fastero                                       between peripherals and the</font> <font face="Tahoma" size="2">computer.CN                                       Users are also able to connect up to 127p                                       devices to a single computer by</font> <font face="Tahoma" size="2">addingS                                       hubs to create more USB 2.0 ports.</font></p>                                        <p ALIGN="left" style="line-height: 100%; word-spacing: 0; margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>4.\                                       What products offer USB 2.0 technology?</b></font></p>                                       <p ALIGN="left" style="line-height: 100%; word-spacing: 0; margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">USBL                                       2.0 technology will be integrated in aO                                       vast amount of peripherals. Some products K                                       that will incorporate this technologyWO                                       include storage devices (such as external Y                                       hard drives</font> <font face="Tahoma" size="2">and7L                                       CD burners), hubs, printers, scanners,T                                       digital cameras, PDAs, speakers and Web</font>S                                       <font face="Tahoma" size="2">cams.</font></p>                                        <p ALIGN="left" style="line-height: 100%; word-spacing: 0; margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>5.M                                       Will USB 2.0 improve the speed of other V                                       devices connected to my computer?</b></font></p>                                       <p ALIGN="left" style="line-height: 100%; word-spacing: 0; margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">No.N                                       In order to take advantage of the fasterV                                       speeds, you must plug in a USB 2.0 device</font>M                                       <font face="Tahoma" size="2">into a USB P                                       2.0 compliant computer (or a computer thatk                                       has been recently upgraded to</font> <font face="Tahoma" size="2">USB H                                       2.0). 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