1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 13 Apr 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 203       Contents:7 Re: (OT) Sung to the tune of the Brady Bunch theme song ) 2GB ES40 Memory for USD995 or 1000 Euro's  Re: a new server! Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network ! Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network ! Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network ! Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network - Re: ASCII to Postscript Convertor for VAX/VMS  backup performance Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: CLD problem (flight)  DCPS & HP LaserJet 2200 Printers0 Re: determine display server number for SSH X11?& disabling logins on TXA ports - solved Re: Exporting SYSUAF.LIS8 FA: Digital 40th Anniversary Commemorative Playing Cards$ Fwd: WIreless networking + VMS/Tru64P Re: Give us your Apache 1.3/2.0 requirements  [Was: RE: Talk about quick responsP Re: Give us your Apache 1.3/2.0 requirements  [Was: RE: Talk about quick respons Re: GNU cc vs VMS CC listings - Re: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium! - Re: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium!  Re: IA64 is not the VAX  Re: IA64 is not the VAX  Re: IA64 is not the VAX  Re: IA64 is not the VAX  Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: LANCP ERROR MESSAGE 4 Re: Memo:  Re: Best DCL programm you've ever written0 Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!0 Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger! Re: PS Device Control Library  Rotted Link in OpenVMS FAQ< Re: Samba V2.0.6 Failed to UID error Network map drive error Re: Solid State disk drives  TELNETSYM Errors Re: Total cost of ownership 0 Vista/Penril/Datability VCP 1000 Terminal Server. Re: VMS "unhackable" example just for Andy .... Re: VMS "unhackable" example just for Andy ...) Week ahead for Microsoft, Compaq, Gateway 4 Re: what disks can I put in an ALPHAstation 255/233?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:52:29 -0700 " From: Koloth <koloth@telocity.com>@ Subject: Re: (OT) Sung to the tune of the Brady Bunch theme song, Message-ID: <3CB7C79D.A6929A65@telocity.com>   BRAVO!   James Gessling wrote:    > Here's a story > Of a lovely lady > 2 > Who had found her new dream job was much too big > - > Her company had no profits and no direction  >  > Just a printer gig >  > Here's a story >  > Of a firm from Houston > 5 > That was getting their asses kicked by Sun and Dell  > 4 > The DEC deal gave them nothing but extra headcount >  > The stock price went to hell > . > Till the one day this lady met these fellows > 7 > And they knew that it was much more than just a hunch  > = > That two bureaucracies and their bankers would get together  > - > That's the way we all became the "HP BUNCH"  >  > The HP BUNCH >  > Dell ate our lunch > ' > That's the way we became the HP BUNCH    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:30:31 -0400 1 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> 2 Subject: 2GB ES40 Memory for USD995 or 1000 Euro's/ Message-ID: <ubf2fqeojpl8eb@news.supernews.com>   + IC-MS610-EA ES40 2Gb Memory Kit (4 x 512MB)   	 Only $995        -- Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332  International: 001 912 447 6622   Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 dbturner@hpaq.net  www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Apr 2002 23:10 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)  Subject: Re: a new server - Message-ID: <12APR200223103846@gerg.tamu.edu>   > Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> writes... }Hamid Bourchi wrote: 	 }> Hello,  }>  M }> After experincing some serius performance problems during last 2 weeks, we = }> are considering to buy a new Alphaserver. Our options are: B }> 1 - a second hand Alpha 1200. 2 processor 400 MHZ and 1 GB mem.@ }> 2 - a new Alphaserver DS20E 1 processor 833 MHZ and 1 GB mem. }>  : }> Right now we are running with following configurations: }> hardware:* }> Alpha 1000A 233 Mhz processor, 512 mem. }>   }> sofware:  }> OpenVMS 7.2 }> Oracle 8.1.7 as database ( }> Oracle designer, forms and reports 6. }>  G }> In the end of 2002 our system has to be acceable for about 50 users. O }> Has anyone experince with those servers? Considering the high price of these % }> machines we appricate any respons.  }>   }>   }> Regards,  }> Hamid Bourchi } H }Also consider the fact, that a new DS20E is covered by warranty whereas, }the AS1200 may be not, depends on the deal. }--  }Karl Rohwedder   C My suggestion is that the first thing you should do is find out how B much the Oracle products costs on the two systems. I'm not certain? (I don't have any Oracle software), but it may be licensed on a  per-CPU basis for cost.   A So it is possible that Oracle could cost something close to twice C as much on the two processor system as it does on the one processor ? system. If so, the DS20E with one processor may end up not only @ being faster, but being less expensive as well. (This also makes? the expandability of the DS20E of somewhat questionable value - ? sure you can add a second processor for not very much money, as A these things go, but the potential additional cost for the Oracle 7 license for the second processor has to be considered.)    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:18:34 +0100 $ From: "issinoho" <iain@issinoho.com>* Subject: Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network< Message-ID: <3cb75d2f$1_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>   Keith,  D Ingenious! I'll give your comments some thought, it sounds feasible.   Many thanks for your input, 	 issinoho.       = "Keith A. Lewis" <sssslewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote in message ( news:a977a3$2gk$1@newslocal.mitre.org...2 > "issinoho" <iain@issinoho.com> writes in articleI <1018616900.20485.0@iapetus.uk.clara.net> dated Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:08:02  +0100:- > >Anyone got any bright ideas on this one...  > > J > >I've recently acquired an old VAX 4000-200 which I've got running quiteK > >sweetly on our network, however I want to upgrade VMS and have no access  toG > >a CD-ROM. The VAX has an external SCSI connector but I don't have an K > >external SCSI CD-ROM and wouldn't know which model to get which would be  > >compatible. Any ideas?  > > F > >Alternatively, how can I access a CD-ROM served from either UNIX or Windows G > >across the LAN? I'm running 5.5A and have UCX 2.0b and Pathworks 4.1 H > >running. I'd like to copy a CD-ROM across the LAN to a local disk and > >install VMS from there. > F > Before I had CDRECORD on VMS, I used VDDRIVER (now called LDDRIVER I think)K > to make a virtual disk which had an image file associated with it.  After L > populating and dismounting the virtual disk, I could ftp the image file to > Unix and burn a Files-11 CD. > K > I think you could do the reverse for your upgrade.  Use a Unix utility to L > grab the "image" of the CD, ftp that 640 Meg file to the VAX, and mount it > with VDDRIVER. > E > You might have to use COPY/CONTIG if your transfer method creates a ; > non-contiguous file.  Too bad there's no COPY/FTP/CONTIG.  > K > If you're upgrading the OS, you will need to use BACKUP/IMAGE to move the K > files to a bootable disk because you can't boot from a virtual disk.  And L > possibly WRITEBOOT.EXE (that's what it's called on OpenVMS/Alpha, not sure% > about VAX) to write the boot block.  > - > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org @ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:22:37 +0100 $ From: "issinoho" <iain@issinoho.com>* Subject: Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network: Message-ID: <3cb75e22_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>   Roy,  D I'm up in central Scotland but would be glad to pay for any postage.  E Incidentally, are there any commercial external CD-ROM drives I could 0 purchase which would be compatible with the VAX?  L For background, I manged a 25-node VMS cluster for 10 years then moved on toL MS projects for the last 5 years and have recently re-acquainted myself with) VMS and realised how much I love/miss it.   H Nice to get back into the community. Any help would be much appreciated.  	 issinoho.     : "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message* news:3CB6ED2D.9612306@BlueBubble.UK.Com... > issinoho wrote:  > . > > Anyone got any bright ideas on this one... > > K > > I've recently acquired an old VAX 4000-200 which I've got running quite L > > sweetly on our network, however I want to upgrade VMS and have no access toH > > a CD-ROM. The VAX has an external SCSI connector but I don't have anL > > external SCSI CD-ROM and wouldn't know which model to get which would be > > compatible. Any ideas? >   > Where are you geographically ? > L > Wouldn't be the first time I've loaned a CD drive to fellow VMS people :-) > 7 > I'm near Saffron Walden, 10 miles south of Cambridge.  >  > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:24:42 +0100 $ From: "issinoho" <iain@issinoho.com>* Subject: Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network< Message-ID: <3cb75e9f$1_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>  K Sounds feasible. How would I reference the remote drive? Would it recognise  the drive when booting??    F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KGHCBQO0E09EDY19@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... K > > I've recently acquired an old VAX 4000-200 which I've got running quite L > > sweetly on our network, however I want to upgrade VMS and have no accessK > > to a CD-ROM. The VAX has an external SCSI connector but I don't have an L > > external SCSI CD-ROM and wouldn't know which model to get which would be > > compatible. Any ideas? > G > You could connect the machine containing the CD to the VAX via a SCSI I > cable between the external connections.  As long as the cable length is F > OK and there are no ID conflicts, you should be able to mount the CDH > from the VAX.  (I have never installed VMS from CD on VAX, but have onG > ALPHA---also via this method.  For VAX, I copied the savesets from CD G > (mounted on ALPHA) to VAX (mounted by the method described above) and  > installed from disk.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:25:41 +0100 $ From: "issinoho" <iain@issinoho.com>* Subject: Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network: Message-ID: <3cb75eda_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>  9 The box contains a TK70, does this make my life easier???     6 "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> wrote in message) news:3CB6FE34.8080900@xs4all.nospam.nl...  > issinoho wrote: . > > Anyone got any bright ideas on this one... > > K > > I've recently acquired an old VAX 4000-200 which I've got running quite L > > sweetly on our network, however I want to upgrade VMS and have no access toH > > a CD-ROM. The VAX has an external SCSI connector but I don't have anL > > external SCSI CD-ROM and wouldn't know which model to get which would be > > compatible. Any ideas? > > G > > Alternatively, how can I access a CD-ROM served from either UNIX or  Windows H > > across the LAN? I'm running 5.5A and have UCX 2.0b and Pathworks 4.1I > > running. I'd like to copy a CD-ROM across the LAN to a local disk and  > > install VMS from there.  > > 
 > > Any help?  > + > Well, I'm afraid this isn't much help :-(  > J > The 50 p centronics connector of a VAX 4000-200 is a SCSI connector, butF > unless you have a tapedrive in the box, there is most likely no SCSIJ > controller. The setup was, that you have a Qbus SCSI controller which isJ > externally connected to the connector you have, which in turn internally > connects to the tape drive.  > I > Without another VMS system with a CD player, it is difficult to make an H > image copy of an OpenVMS CD, without thorough knowledge of the 'other'I > operating system. With VMS you can make an /IMAGE BACKUP of the CD to a J > saveset, then copy the saveset to the VAX using either Pathworks or UCX,H > restore the file attributes of the save set and finally restore /IMAGEH > to the target disk. You may need the FILE tool from the freeware CD toI > restore the attributes, because 5.5 doesn't have the SET FILE/ATTRIBUTE  > command, yet.  > D > If you have another VAX running, then you could consider forming aI > cluster by booting your VAX over the network. This would be the easiest 
 > way by far.  >  > Good luck! >  > Bart Zorn  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:11:56 -0700 2 From: "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com>6 Subject: Re: ASCII to Postscript Convertor for VAX/VMS3 Message-ID: <a97biu$c9b$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>   9 GrayMatter Software markets a product called ScriptServer - that does what you want and a whole lot more.   A Mandeep Gattaura <mgattaura@collins-stewart.com> wrote in message 7 news:781290e2.0204120715.25d9d4df@posting.google.com... H > Does anyone out there know of a command line utility that will convertC > a plain ascii file to postscript format, that will allow the font E > size, orientation, etc to be selected. I have tried the CONVERT/DOC H > command but the font size is to big, I can manually edit the font size9 > manually but I need to be able to automate the process.  > H > I have tried a couple of freeware convertors, but that have not reallyG > done the job. I have tried to add the postscript commands myself, but H > cannot get the output into landscape format correctly. The page prints4 > landscape - but most of the data is missing....... >  >  > %!PS-Adobe-3.0 > %%BeginSetup > /inch       { 72 mul } def' > /Courier findfont 8 scalefont setfont  > /topmargin  { 1.5 inch } def > /leftmargin { 1.5 inch } def+ > /leading    { 1 6 div inch .980 mul } def G > /newline    { /ypos ypos leading sub def leftmargin ypos moveto } def H > /newpage    { /ypos topmargin leading sub def leftmargin ypos moveto } > def  > %%EndSetup	 > newpage  > () show newline 6 > (    CLIENT NO.  DEPOT NO.   SEDOL NO.) show newline6 > (    ----------  ---------   ---------) show newline > () show newline 2 > (76378       40081       0213154  ) show newline > () show newline 2 > (76947       40081       0213154  ) show newline > () show newline  > () show newline 
 > () showpage  >  >  > 4 > Please, can anyone point me in the write direction >  > TIA    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:05:49 +0800 + From: "Kenneth" <yeung_kenneth@hotmail.com>  Subject: backup performance * Message-ID: <a98e88$8ip1@rain.i-cable.com>  K Whenever I run the online disk backup with my application, the queue length L of the disk will go very high (more than 100). What can I do to minimize the" queue? Any tunning for the backup?  $ I am using VMS7.2-1 in 2 alpha 8400.   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Apr 2002 23:29:40 GMT& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)  Subject: Re: Blade architectures- Message-ID: <a97ql4$a9d@web.eng.baileynm.com>   M In article <a970m8$no6$1@news.btv.ibm.com>, hack <hack@watson.ibm.com> wrote: / > In article <a94vsb$77m@web.eng.baileynm.com>, ) > Peter da Silva <peter@abbnm.com> wrote: P > >The process of abandoning a connection involves an exchange of messages.  ...  J > That deals with "willful abandonment".  What if A crashes, in which caseK > after reboot it may not remember that it had an active connection with B?   F Oh, in that case the process of creating a connection also involves an exchange of messages.   H If A crashes, then it won't be able to establish a new connection with BI over the same ports, because the first packet it will send to B will be a L SYN. Since B thinks it's got an established connection with that combinationI of IPs and Ports, it will respond with a RST rather than a SYN/ACK, and A F will pass a "connection refused" back to the application and the whole+ hanging connection will come tumbling down.    --  +  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva. E   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything." L                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Apr 2002 23:24:00 GMT& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)  Subject: Re: Blade architectures- Message-ID: <a97qag$9us@web.eng.baileynm.com>c  1 In article <f2Dt8.417$rB5.31691@news.uswest.net>,o= Russell P. Holsclaw <rholsclaw@nospam.xxx.fatline.com> wrote:l > Someday the big I > "swap file" full of non-persistent data will be seen as an anachronism.   H I have a number of systems configured with no "swap file" (or partition)G now, running FreeBSD. Some have no writable mass storage at all, others C simply have more ram than the largest non-pathological working set.I  G I also have some with 10 or more times as much swap as physical memory,eI because I'm using them for things that use a very large address space butc a small working set.  E And even if RAM gets as cheap as disk, it won't get so cheap as to be E free... and you can always "borrow" mass storage from a system that's G not using all of theirs, if you just need a lot of it for a short time.1  H In fact I could see a situation where you use VM to borrow address spaceC from "nearby" machines that aren't using it all. And you won't care.C if that address space is volatile internal RAM or some kind of masse storage device.u   -- e+  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.lE   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."0L                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:23:19 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>X! Subject: Re: CLD problem (flight) 3 Message-ID: <wHFt8.15731$je5.151749@nnrp1.uunet.ca>'  F "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:3cb71e09$1@news.si.com... >...I > I really don't see how the /COMPILE qualifier is any different than thesD > /EDIT qualifier.  Yet, /EDIT=WORLD doesn't produce the error while > /COMPILE=WORLD does.    : If the FLT$EDIT_WORLD_SYNTAX or FLT$EDIT_HANGAR_SYNTAX hadB a qualifier you would see the same thing, but neither of these do.   >dN > Could you post more of a context for your modified CLD?  I can't get this to > work.e >...  H I include the whole .CLD below my sig. This is based on the one that wasK included in the 3.1 kit. I split a few lines that were longer than 80 chars:K then set the OE to wrap at 100 character lines, so I hope this gets throughlG without the wrapping messed up, you should have a .CLD that is 74 lines G long if it works out OK. If not then let me know and I'll send it as an3 attachment instead.a   -- Peter WeaverH Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, norO the company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.n   $ type flight.cld  DEFINE TYPE FLT$COMPILE_TYPESn<    KEYWORD HANGAR, DEFAULT, SYNTAX=FLT$COMPILE_HANGAR_SYNTAX:    KEYWORD WORLD, DEFAULT, SYNTAX=FLT$COMPILE_WORLD_SYNTAX   DEFINE TYPE FLT$EDIT_TYPES9    KEYWORD HANGAR, DEFAULT, SYNTAX=FLT$EDIT_HANGAR_SYNTAXt7    KEYWORD WORLD, DEFAULT, SYNTAX=FLT$EDIT_WORLD_SYNTAXo   define syntax flt$do_compile    qualifier COMPILE*    value (required,type=FLT$COMPILE_TYPES)   DEFINE VERB FLIGHT    IMAGE FLT$SIMULATOR>    QUALIFIER COMPILE, VALUE(REQUIRED, TYPE=FLT$COMPILE_TYPES),          syntax=flt$do_compile7    QUALIFIER EDIT, VALUE(REQUIRED, TYPE=FLT$EDIT_TYPES)cM    QUALIFIER PREVIEW, SYNTAX=FLT$PREVIEW_WORLD, VALUE(TYPE=FLT$PREVIEW_TYPES)n0    QUALIFIER SIMULATOR, SYNTAX=FLT$DO_SIMULATION  @    QUALIFIER STATISTICS, VALUE(DEFAULT="SYS$OUTPUT", TYPE=$FILE)@    QUALIFIER RESUME, VALUE(DEFAULT="SUSPEND.FLIGHT", TYPE=$FILE)2    QUALIFIER PLAYBACK, VALUE(REQUIRED, TYPE=$FILE)4    QUALIFIER SERVER, NONNEGATABLE, VALUE(TYPE=$FILE)4    QUALIFIER HANGAR, NONNEGATABLE, VALUE(TYPE=$FILE)    QUALIFIER COLLISION  < DISALLOW (NEG SIMULATOR AND (NOT COMPILE OR NEG COMPILE) ANDA          (NOT EDIT OR NEG EDIT) AND (NOT PREVIEW OR NEG PREVIEW))s   DEFINE SYNTAX FLT$DO_SIMULATIONt    IMAGE FLT$SIMULATOR@    QUALIFIER STATISTICS, VALUE(DEFAULT="SYS$OUTPUT", TYPE=$FILE)@    QUALIFIER RESUME, VALUE(DEFAULT="SUSPEND.FLIGHT", TYPE=$FILE)2    QUALIFIER PLAYBACK, VALUE(REQUIRED, TYPE=$FILE)4    QUALIFIER SERVER, NONNEGATABLE, VALUE(TYPE=$FILE)4    QUALIFIER HANGAR, NONNEGATABLE, VALUE(TYPE=$FILE)    QUALIFIER COLLISION  ' DEFINE SYNTAX FLT$COMPILE_HANGAR_SYNTAX     IMAGE FLT$HANGAR_COMPILER6    PARAMETER P1, PROMPT="Hangar Description Filename",$          VALUE(REQUIRED, TYPE=$FILE)8    QUALIFIER LISTING, VALUE(TYPE=$FILE, DEFAULT=".LIS;")7    QUALIFIER PRELOAD, VALUE(TYPE=$FILE, REQUIRED, LIST)rN    QUALIFIER OUTPUT, DEFAULT, NEGATABLE, VALUE(TYPE=$FILE, DEFAULT=".HANGAR;")    QUALIFIER LOG*    QUALIFIER PILOTABLE, NEGATABLE, DEFAULT)    QUALIFIER COMPRESS, NEGATABLE, DEFAULTe?    QUALIFIER DEFINE, VALUE(TYPE=$QUOTED_STRING, REQUIRED, LIST)s  & DEFINE SYNTAX FLT$COMPILE_WORLD_SYNTAX    IMAGE FLT$WORLD_COMPILER 5    PARAMETER P1, PROMPT="World Description Filename", $          VALUE(REQUIRED, TYPE=$FILE),    QUALIFIER LISTING, VALUE(DEFAULT=".LIS;")A    QUALIFIER OUTPUT, DEFAULT, NEGATABLE, VALUE(DEFAULT=".WORLD;")     QUALIFIER LOG?    QUALIFIER DEFINE, VALUE(TYPE=$QUOTED_STRING, REQUIRED, LIST)e  $ DEFINE SYNTAX FLT$EDIT_HANGAR_SYNTAX    IMAGE FLT$HANGAR_EDITORF    PARAMETER P1, PROMPT="Hangar Filename", VALUE(REQUIRED, TYPE=$FILE)  # DEFINE SYNTAX FLT$EDIT_WORLD_SYNTAXy    IMAGE FLT$WORLD_EDITOReE    PARAMETER P1, PROMPT="World Filename", VALUE(REQUIRED, TYPE=$FILE)    DEFINE TYPE FLT$PREVIEW_TYPES.    KEYWORD WORLD, DEFAULT3   DEFINE SYNTAX FLT$PREVIEW_WORLD     IMAGE FLT$WORLD_PREVIEWER&    QUALIFIER SERVER, VALUE(TYPE=$FILE)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:28:32 GMT ( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>) Subject: DCPS & HP LaserJet 2200 Printerst: Message-ID: <4kIt8.4374$HH5.487@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  
 Hello all,  G I'm trying to set up DCPS to print to an HP LaserJet 2200 printer. DCPSNK claims it's not supported, however, the LJ 2100 is. How can I convince DCPS-% to use the definition for the LJ2100?    TIA,  	 Mark Levy1 SMA    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:59:16 +020012 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)9 Subject: Re: determine display server number for SSH X11?p; Message-ID: <3cb774d4.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>-  . Bob Koehler (koehler@encompasserve.org) wrote:? > "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:cB > >> How can I determine the X11 server number for a SSH forwarded > >> connection? > > 8 > > Let Exceed send it on the command line with @a or @d > E >    I'm neither a Windows nor an Exceed expert.  Where do I gfet the?
 >    details.r  B Use the online docs, Luke. In the XStart application command line,A @a and @d are mapped to the X server's IP address and the displayn3 descriptor (<IP>:<display>.<screen>), respectively.r   cu,s   Martin -- $D                     | Martin Vorlaender    |    VMS & WNT programmer-   Smiert Spamionem  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.detD                     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/4                     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:40:13 +0200a. From: Marcin Szczecinski <marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl>/ Subject: disabling logins on TXA ports - solvedc0 Message-ID: <20020412234013.A23353@lodz.tpsa.pl>   Thanks Wolfgang,B your answer solved my problem with buffering/disabling interactive logins on CXY08 (TXAn) ports.b     Marcin Szczecinski   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2002 13:24:36 -0700. From: MountRainier@Hotmail.com (Mark Townsend)! Subject: Re: Exporting SYSUAF.LISa< Message-ID: <451972c0.0204121224.955c78f@posting.google.com>  C Andy, I'm a VBA programmer who writes programs that parse irregulara@ (i.e. non-delimited nor fixed-width) text and print files into aE flat-record table format.  If you're interested, please email me yourrE SYSUAF.LIS file for a quote, or visit http://www.EZDataAccess.com for  more information.   
 Thank you!   Mark Townsend, CPA, CIA, CDRM          "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in message news:<92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C270@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>...:K > When I need to produce reports from the SYSUAF I use a utility called UAFoK > from Joe Meadows.  It allows you to produce a much more structured output M > than just dumping the sysuaf with the /LIST qualifier.   I got my copy as ac7 > member of DECUS.  One location where I've seen it is:v% > ftp://ftp.decus.org/lib/v00487/uaf/  >  > Ed Stuartc- > Information Technology & Telecommunicationse > Austin Energy&G > **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**1 >  > -----Original Message-----8 > From: andysands@yahoo.com [mailto:andysands@yahoo.com]' > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 6:27 AMW > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4 > Subject: Exporting SYSUAF.LIS  >  > C > I asked a client to use the following script to download the user/E > profiles from their VMS box to allow me to perform some audit work.  >  > Prompt		Command  > $ 		SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM > $ 		RUN AUTHORIZEh > UAF> 		LIST [*,*]/FULL
 > UAF> 		EXIT4 > F > The SYSUAF.LIS file that I have been given has no structure in it atH > all (no carriage returns specified etc) so cannot be read into a fixedE > width interpreter like Monarch or a delimited file interpreter likeu > ACL/Excel. > G > I have received VMS downloads of these files in the past with clearlyBG > structured records in them.  Does anyone know what has gone wrong andoG > if so what is the correct command syntax for obtaining the sysuaf.lisv > files in a structured form?n >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Andy   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:52:48 -0400N2 From: "Homer J Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com>A Subject: FA: Digital 40th Anniversary Commemorative Playing CardspA Message-ID: <b9Mt8.70865$gA5.6106001@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>.  B Given to employees around the time Compaq bought Digital EquipmentI Corporation, on Digital's 40th anniversary. 40 of the cards have factoids-G about each of Digital's 40 years. In mint condition, this is a valuablemJ addition to any DECie's collection! You won't see Ken Olsen with a Joker'sC hat on, because this is serious memorabilia, for the true believer.   = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1093204096l   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:08:35 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>- Subject: Fwd: WIreless networking + VMS/Tru64r@ Message-ID: <20020413050835.54426.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>   --0-498111145-1018674515=:51702h* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline    I am curious now ! a  , Anyone tried a Wireless OpenVMS Cluster ????     Regardsr   FC j! Note: forwarded message attached.c     =====t ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - BrazilH fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?/ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax) http://taxes.yahoo.com/  --0-498111145-1018674515=:51702D Content-Type: message/rfc822  g X-Apparently-To: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br via web20203.mail.yahoo.com; 10 Apr 2002 14:53:14 -0700 (PDT)  X-Track: 1: 40, Return-Path: <info-vax-request@mvb.saic.com>A Received: from mvb.saic.com  (HELO MVB.SAIC.COM) (198.151.12.104)6F   by mta548.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 14:53:14 -0700 (PDT)5 From: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) ) X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.unix.tru64P( Subject: WIreless networking + VMS/Tru64* X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243	 Lines: 15e# Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:52:57 GMTn# X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com ` X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1018475575 213.105.88.123 (Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:52:55 BST)0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:52:55 BST) Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service19 Reply-to: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)e X-Gateway-From: mvb.saic.com To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comg X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETo Content-Length: 175      Hi,r  @ Are there any Wireless networking cards that are compatible with
 VMS/Tru64?   Does Islandco sell them - Dave?>  	  regards,n         Peter Watkinson  peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com ! --0-498111145-1018674515=:51702--    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 03:01:37 +0200h2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)Y Subject: Re: Give us your Apache 1.3/2.0 requirements  [Was: RE: Talk about quick responsS; Message-ID: <3cb78371.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>e   [posted and mailed]   * Rick Barry (barry@star.zko.dec.com) wrote:N > We're still adding infrastructure to the Apache 1.3.* based CSWS product andN > will be for some time. We get requests for new modules and extensions to oldN > ones on a regular basis, so we need to prioritize development on mature baseC > requirements against requirements for bleeding-edge capabilities.e >sL > To help us deliver the most useful features, we need your feedback. I hopeM > you can spare a few seconds to prioritize the following list of items alongm > with any others you may have.2  $ 1	> Apache 1.3.*  (latest baselevel) 5	> Apache 2.0.*  	> PHP  4.1.* (latest baselevel) 	> PHP ODBC database extension0 	> PHP OCI (Oracle Interface) database extension 	> PHP mysql database extensions! 	> PHP extenions - please specify ! 2	> Perl 5.6.* (latest baselevel)a$ 3	> Perl extensions - please specify!   Apache::Request (i.e. libapreq)>4   DBD::Oracle with OCI v8 (tried it, but no success)	 	> Python2" 	> Tomcat 3.3.* (latest baselevel)# 	> Tomcat 4.0.*  (latest baselevel)e/ 4	> webDAV (distributed authoring & versioning)  	> IPv6 support   G Just my personal preference (biased strongly towards Perl, i.e. I don't>& really care for PHP, Python, or Java).   cu,.   Martin --  G                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmere4  UNIX is user friendly.    | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  It's just selective about |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/t;  who its friends are.      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:28:54 -0400 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>nY Subject: Re: Give us your Apache 1.3/2.0 requirements  [Was: RE: Talk about quick responsi2 Message-ID: <3CB72766.27C77BE8@firstdbasource.com>   Rick Barry wrote:  > # 5  Apache 1.3.*  (latest baselevel)  6  Apache 2.0.*a 3 PHP  4.1.* (latest baselevel)n 4 PHP ODBC database extension./ 4 PHP OCI (Oracle Interface) database extensiont   PHP mysql database extension    PHP extenions - please specify 1 Perl 5.6.* (latest baselevel)V" 2 Perl extensions - please specify
       ODBC	       OCI    Python!   Tomcat 3.3.* (latest baselevel)i"   Tomcat 4.0.*  (latest baselevel)-   webDAV (distributed authoring & versioning)l   IPv6 support > + > Feel free to post here or send me e-mail.t >  > Rick Barry+ > Compaq Secure Web Server Development Teame  > OpenVMS Systems Software Group > Compaq Computer Corporationt > Nashua, NH > - > <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in messageu' > news:a91kdn$p0a$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk...gI > > In article <a91i8g$un2bc$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>, "James Gessling"  > <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes:UG > > >I got this message while I was typing up my recent query/complaintr > regardingd > > >open source tools on VMS. > > >hE > > >Jim, yes, unfortunately we are about a year out of date with the  > Xalan-C++k > > >XSLT component. > > > K > > >The good news is that we have engineers assigned to XML, SOAP, and Web M > > >Services. The bad news is that right now we are porting the SOAP toolkit3L > > >from Apache. Updating the C++ and Java Xerces and Xalan components will > beL > > >next followed by UDDI. I suspect the availability for Xalan-C++ is late > Mayi > > >or early June.t > > >b > >dI > > Are the Engineers working on Apache 2.0 (released earlier this Month)  > whichi+ > > now supports threads ? And Tomcat 4.0 ?b > >t > > David Webb > > VMS and Unix team leader > > CCSS > > Middlesex University > >    -- p Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163@7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comr Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)l 704-236-4377 (Mobile)e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 03:11:27 GMTn1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> & Subject: Re: GNU cc vs VMS CC listings' Message-ID: <3CB7A473.CB037C8F@fsi.net>a   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > o > In article <9059bf6b.0204120611.6f440b63@posting.google.com>, jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) writes: Y > > system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A0C521.FD39655B@SendSpamHere.ORG>...th > >> In article <fKYKMPbPCaRD@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:Q > >> >In article <a953j3$odc$1@tomm.stsci.edu>, clark@sander.stsci.edu () writes:s > >> >>'; > >> >> Can GNU gcc generate source code listings like that % > >> >> of VMS CC /list/show=include?  > >> >	 > >> >...,H > >> It's always easier to make up some lame excuse for not implementingI > >> a feature in a lame product than it is to actually code the feature.t > >rI > > With the speed and memory available today, I have worked places wherenE > > we turn on DEBUG, TRACEBACK, and disable OPTIMIZATION for code in F > > production (speed and size is no longer a consideration).  When anH > > error occurs we get the traceback dump and correclate it directly to5 > > the .LIS file.  Makes resolving some bugs easier.e > E > But GCC does not produce VMS object code.  It produces Macro source1 > code.   H Does it, now??!! Did they drop GAS then? I haven't looked at it for some time.   @ Might this mean that (at least some) C can now be converted to a> language processor ubiquitous (and "free") among VMS systems??  A If true, the GCC for VAX would be identical to GCC for Alpha, no?L  ? >  On Alpha that means optimizations made by the Macro compilerDD > would not be visible to GCC, so traceback dump analysis would have2 > to be based on the listings from Macro, not GCC.  < Are those listings available using GCC command line options?  B > Perhaps that is why GCC folks are so convinced that listings are4 > the wave of the past -- their design can't do it !   Makes sense.   -- m David J. Dachterad dba DJE Systemsw http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/w   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:52:12 GMTp% From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@insightbb.com>t6 Subject: Re: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium!8 Message-ID: <m4bebuoim54q3gqr7urt8dp6g0at1bf5po@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:24:28 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyo3 <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote:   9 >I have repeated advised you to stop throwing stones whenh; >you live in a glass house you have repeatedly ignored thisF4 >good advice to the detriment of the remains of your9 >reputation. My advice is to restrict yourself to posting 8 >about USB and X windows device drivers anything else is; >only an embarassment to you, your collegues and the peopleW) >you misguidely think you are supporting.e  D What a laugh.  Andy-boy giving advice.  Like anyone in here respects= this doofus and his elevated-opinion-of-himself-ramblings (as " perfectly evidenced in this post).   Sheesh.   E What's wrong Andrew, can't find facts to post so you just throw trashT around?   1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq(- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)R   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:21:24 -0400U- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>D6 Subject: Re: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium!, Message-ID: <3CB733AD.F7E0935B@videotron.ca>   jlsue wrote:F > What a laugh.  Andy-boy giving advice.  Like anyone in here respects? > this doofus and his elevated-opinion-of-himself-ramblings (asT$ > perfectly evidenced in this post).  L Like anyone here respects those who feel compelled to insult Andrew anythingJ they can. We are smart enough to filter out the fluff from Andrew and takeH some of the tidbits that sometimes make sense. There is no real need forC Digital employees to make a point of insulting Andrew all the time.L  N VMS has self inflicted wounds. Sure, Andrew may enjoy rubbing a bit of salt inN them, but Digital employees should focus their anger on their employer who has( inflicted the wounds in the first place.  J Whenever a kangaroo gets hit by a roadtrain in australia, the bird of preyL will circle around for a while to make sure it is dead, and then dive in for( breakfast. But the bushflies don't wait.  M I few Andrew as the bird of prey that is circling around the sick VMS to pokeUM it now and then to see if it is dead yet. At this point in time, I am affraid ; to say that the bird of prey is stronger than the sick VMS.,  L Now, if that rumoured Carly plan explained in that letter that doesn't existK actually becomes true, perhaps the kangaroo may rise from the road and kickiL the bird big time. But until it happens, the kangaroo lies flat on the road,3 being cooked by the sun and eaten by the bushflies.E   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2002 18:29:38 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>E  Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX0 Message-ID: <qhelhk5qt9.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>   Christopher C. Stacy wrote:QC > Are you aware that the halfword architectecture of the PDP-10 wasF> > quite intentionally designed specifically to support Lisp?     I wrote:F > It was intended to support a lot of things.  Lisp was one but didn'tL > get particularly more attention from the designers than Fortran and Algol.  2 cstacy@theworld.com (Christopher C. Stacy) writes:? > So say you, but Alan Kotok who designed the PDP-6 and PDP-10 .$ > with Gordon Bell says differently: > F >    "Indeed, that's me (without the R.). I was chief architect of theF >    PDP-10, many, many years ago. The architecture dated back to 1963A >    and the PDP-6, which I worked on with Gordon Bell. And, yes,v= >    facilitating a good LISP implementation was an importantt >    consideration."  & That does not contradict what I wrote.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2002 18:31:38 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>R  Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX0 Message-ID: <qhads85qpx.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  V Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> writes:G > I am not sure I entirely agree with you. The early symbolics machinesr= > were faster than the Sun, HP or Apollo workstations running?; > Lisp, but this performance advantage was very short lived = > as general purpose CPU's increased in speed and by the time 9 > the first SPARC, HP-PA and MIPS based workstations came.9 > out they were faster Lisp platforms than the Symbolics.p  C I don't know why you say that you don't agree with me, since that'spC *exactly* my point.  Christopher Stacey seems to be the only person  that wants to argue otherwise.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2002 01:30:01 -0400- From: cstacy@grant.org (Christopher C. Stacy)s  Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX% Message-ID: <ug020jhd2.fsf@grant.org>.  @ >>>>> On 12 Apr 2002 18:29:38 -0700, Eric Smith ("Eric") writes:  "  Eric> Christopher C. Stacy wrote:E  >> Are you aware that the halfword architectecture of the PDP-10 was @  >> quite intentionally designed specifically to support Lisp?      Eric> I wrote:vH  >> It was intended to support a lot of things.  Lisp was one but didn'tN  >> get particularly more attention from the designers than Fortran and Algol.  9  Eric> cstacy@theworld.com (Christopher C. Stacy) writes:TA  >> So say you, but Alan Kotok who designed the PDP-6 and PDP-10 .&  >> with Gordon Bell says differently:  >> E  >> "Indeed, that's me (without the R.). I was chief architect of the E  >> PDP-10, many, many years ago. The architecture dated back to 1963 @  >> and the PDP-6, which I worked on with Gordon Bell. And, yes,<  >> facilitating a good LISP implementation was an important  >> consideration."   -  Eric> That does not contradict what I wrote.   < Your assertion seemed to be that the Symbolics machine could< not have competed with conventional machines because it had ; some features to make certain "Lisp operations" go faster,  ; at the expense of "normal operations".  I demonstrated thatI8 the PDP-10 was also a "Lisp Machine" because it was also; specifically designed to support efficient Lisp operations.t  J You responded that the PDP-10 was also designed to perform well for thingsM other than Lisp.  I then asked if anyone could explain how that was different&M from the Lisp Machine: specifically, what architectural decisions in which oflL the five different architectectures of the Symbolics machines were differentL from the PDP-10 in that sense; why was the machine not "general purpose" andC exactly how was performance compromised.  Nobody has answered that..  C There was also a claim that this performance problem is what causeddB the Lisp Machine companies to fail, and nobody has produced even a@ wild claim about how that might have been true, let alone a real@ explanation.  (By contrast, I offered some first-hand hints thatB there were problems that were not really technical and had nothing to do with that.)    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2002 01:44:27 -0400- From: cstacy@grant.org (Christopher C. Stacy)i  Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX% Message-ID: <u8z7sjgp0.fsf@grant.org>e  C >>>>> On 12 Apr 2002 15:05:32 GMT, Peter da Silva ("Peter") writes:   -  Peter> In article <uu1qhj7c0.fsf@grant.org>,t6  Peter> Christopher C. Stacy <cstacy@grant.org> wrote:F  >>>>>>> On 12 Apr 2002 11:17:48 GMT, Peter da Silva ("Peter") writes:D  Peter> But how did it stand up against real high performance RISCs?  B  >> That question presupposes that the Lisp Machine was not a high  >> performance RISC.e  >  Peter> No, it presupposes that the Sparc wasn't. But insert aF  Peter> judicious "other" or two in there if it makes you feel better.  A We'll never know, because I don't have any benchmarks on the highnB performance RISC Lisp Machine, and they would be very hard to comeC by since the project was handled very much like the PDP-10 Jupiter;'B but the point of it was that it was certainly supposed to beat the% hell out of the competing processors.t  @ I am pretty sure (without looking) that the Lisp (and all other)@ performance of the last Ivory chip was not as fast as what could? be found on conventional processors.   However, that's not whath> most Lisp developers were concerned with; they were interested; in other software features, which is why they preferred the 
 Lisp Machine.-  B The Lisp Machine architecture (which was released) after that one,E however, was based on the Alpha chip.  There are benchmarks for that;sC I haven't bothered to look at them, but I was told by some users at > MIT that it competed with or even beat the "native" Alpha Lisp? implementation.  (Which seems really hard to believe, at first,a but not if you think about it.)=  D All of this performance stuff, though, was supposed to be supporting@ some claim that those machines were not general purpose and thatB that's why they died out.  My claim is that the Lisp machines wereD general purpose computers, and that none of this really has anything to do with why they died out.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:17:12 +0200m, From: Toon Moene <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Subject: Re: Itanium troubles44 Message-ID: <3CB724A8.EB459F86@moene.indiv.nluug.nl>   Ken Green wrote: > ! > phn@icke-reklam.ipsec.nu wrote:P > : > > In comp.os.vms Ken Green <Ken.Green@kgcc.co.uk> wrote:  G > > > Have you ever tried educating end users? particularly management./ > >3I > > Yes.  Surpricingly many of this population can learn things. You haven > > to speak to them though. > >r > ( > This is back to the can/will question. > B > Most users want computers to work the way they want to use them.F > They don't want to have to learn to work the way that is convienient > for the computer.P  E This never ceases to amaze me - back in school I spent quite a lot ofgE time learning to type (i.e., to operate the typewriter the way it was 
 designed).  E Now they put a TV on top of it and all of a sudden it's *not done* ton learn how to use them ?    -- sG Toon Moene - mailto:toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl - phoneto: +31 346 21429046 Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG  Maartensdijk, The NetherlandsG Maintainer, GNU Fortran 77: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/g77_news.htmleE Join GNU Fortran 95: http://g95.sourceforge.net/ (under construction)e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:51:55 GMTf* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Itanium troublest@ Message-ID: <f1Gt8.12066$K5.1096768@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  9 "Toon Moene" <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> wrote in message.. news:3CB724A8.EB459F86@moene.indiv.nluug.nl... > Ken Green wrote: > >a# > > phn@icke-reklam.ipsec.nu wrote:e > >n< > > > In comp.os.vms Ken Green <Ken.Green@kgcc.co.uk> wrote: >gI > > > > Have you ever tried educating end users? particularly management.  > > >uK > > > Yes.  Surpricingly many of this population can learn things. You have  > > > to speak to them though. > > >  > >a* > > This is back to the can/will question. > > D > > Most users want computers to work the way they want to use them.H > > They don't want to have to learn to work the way that is convienient > > for the computer.  >PG > This never ceases to amaze me - back in school I spent quite a lot ofeG > time learning to type (i.e., to operate the typewriter the way it was: > designed). >vG > Now they put a TV on top of it and all of a sudden it's *not done* toe > learn how to use them ?t  + Did your typewriter in school have a mouse?    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:10:28 -0700r& From: name99@mac.com (Maynard Handley) Subject: Re: Itanium troubles 7 Message-ID: <name99-1204021310280001@handma2.apple.com>e  9 In article <3CB5B28C.4010009@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froblew <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  G [Various rants about how much Outlook sucks, and how manager are stupids for buying it below.]m  I Or how about a different viewpoint? Maybe managers have a specific set of1I needs and desires that Outlock offers them (because MS went out and askedmJ them) whereas sendmail and friends do not because they're the product of aG CS student playing around with what he and his friends thought would be  cool. I Maybe, for example, the calendaring that you laugh at is important enoughHD to the purchasers that it is worth whatever the extra TCO of outlook happens to be?  / There seems to be a general UNIX attitude that nG (a) anyone who wants to use anything other than UNIX is, ipso facto, an 	 idiot andnI (b) that anyone who wants to do anything other than the UNIX way is, ispoa facto, an idiot andoI (c) that gee wouldn't it be nice if everyone switched to UNIX rather thang use Windows.  F You'd think a bunch of geeks who are supposed to be so smart could seeD that these three viewpoints are mutually contradictory. Or are geeksI really so stupid that they are unaware that the rest of the world is fulla0 of people with different motivations from geeks?   Maynardx       > JF Mezei wrote:e >  > > David Froble wrote:s > > H > >>Why on earth would anyone with any significant workload use Exchange -- for maill > >>servers? > >> > > G > > Because they made a commitment to evil Bill to do so, cannabalising 	 their owne6 > > more profitable product just to please Bill Gates. >  > M > So, you're implying that the majority of today's computer users are stupid?n >  > G > > Because some manager decided that the company should standardize ono	 MicrosoftrI > > because that was sure to survive while other products don't have sucha a bright > > future ? >  > 8 > Well, 'some manager' is doing his part to insure that. >  > J > > Because some manager decided to standardize on microsoft because it is easy to K > > find microsoft weenies to operate your servers, whereas if you buy somea4 > > proprietary system, it is harder to find people. >  > N > People can learn whatever the job requires.  There aint no such thing as an M > already trained employee, regardless of what managers wish for.  There are  H > skills, but the employee still must learn the business of the company,	 or, he's ( > not helping the company. > G > A few years back people were putting their resumes on Monster.COM, ore
 wherever, B > and playing musical jobs, like we played musical chairs as young children.  It'd O > be interesting to see which segment, such as windoz, of the job seekers were 4D > most mobile.  What good is finding someone that you cannot retain? > M > Finding people wouldn't be such an issue if you weren't running such labor H > intensive systems. >  > J > > The list of reasons can be long. The fact that Microsoft maintains itsH > > monopoly is an indication that product quality isn't so important as	 following(2 > > the trend to make sure you're not left behind. > >  > P > Don't think.  Just follow the crowd.  Hey, that's how the Lemmings do it, the P > whole bunch follow each other off the clift into the ocean, if I remember the  > story correctly. > . > I think my original question is still valid. >  > Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:28:47 +0200r* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesn/ Message-ID: <3CB75F9F.5000506@brussels.sgi.com>W   J Ahlstrom wrote:u   > Alexis Cousein wrote:p >  >     David Froble wrote:  > H >      > So, you're implying that the majority of today's computer users >     are stupid?  > K >     The majority of *humans* are relatively speaking idiots outside theirtJ >     field of competence - I don't see why computers would somehow be the >     lone field5 >     where God has blessed us all with intelligence." >  >      V > D > Isn't this a tautology or an extensive definition of "competence"? > F No. I'd rather be ignorant outside my field of competence than stupid.   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Apr 2002 23:14:52 GMT& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Itanium troublest- Message-ID: <a97ppc$973@web.eng.baileynm.com>   7 In article <name99-1204021310280001@handma2.apple.com>,t' Maynard Handley <name99@mac.com> wrote: K > Maybe, for example, the calendaring that you laugh at is important enoughtF > to the purchasers that it is worth whatever the extra TCO of outlook > happens to be?  M Well it seems to me that it's not the calendering that Outlook/Exchange gives2I you, nor even the calendering/email integration, since you can create web M or ODBC based calendering systems that included as tight an email integrationaE as you like. What it is, is the idea of having these two applicationssE wrapped up in the same user interface. That can't be such a big deal,vF otherwise they'd all be using Lotus Notes instead of Exchange, becauseI there's all sorts of other office automation tasks that can be integratedfG into Notes but not Exchange... things like, oh, timecards, and documentoJ management, and any number of other essential tools that people seem quite0 content to run via web pages or external apps...  1 > There seems to be a general UNIX attitude that a? > (a) anyone who wants to use anything other than UNIX is [...]h  G I wasn't aware that Outlook was an operating system. I thought it was ad mail client.  F I wasn't aware that sendmail was an operating system. I thought it was a mail server.  H Or is it that you are somehow unaware that there are open-protocol-basedD mail clients that run under Windows, or that sendmail runs under NT.  E The problem isn't that Exchange runs under NT, but that Exchange is amL large complex program that uses an unreliable datastore that is inconvenientJ at best and impossible at worst to do things like partial backups, repair,0 and archiving. Not to mention resource-hungry...   --  +  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.lE   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."eL                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:36:06 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Itanium troublesd' Message-ID: <3CB79C29.6CB5D1CB@fsi.net>t   Ken Green wrote: > ! > phn@icke-reklam.ipsec.nu wrote:  > : > > In comp.os.vms Ken Green <Ken.Green@kgcc.co.uk> wrote: > >r > >hG > > > Have you ever tried educating end users? particularly management.h > > I > > Yes.  Surpricingly many of this population can learn things. You havet > > to speak to them though. > >v > ( > This is back to the can/will question. > B > Most users want computers to work the way they want to use them.F > They don't want to have to learn to work the way that is convienientF > for the computer. Thats the difference between a good tool and a badI > tool. One helps you to do your job and the other you have to help to doh > it's.t  E To me, I see this as similar to the same problem we've always had: nod@ one business application package fits every business, unless theF business makes concessions to the software. Also, health care deliveryH is vastly different from freight delivery which is vastly different from= process manufacturing which is rather different from discreet: manufacturing, ...  @ I'd say this is true of mundane app.'s like Accts Payable, AcctsE Receivable, G/L, Inventory control, order management, etc. as well asf6 today's "office" app.'s - Outlook, Word and the like.    FWIW... (probably very little)   -- t David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 04:58:18 GMT . From: "aaron spink" <aaronspink@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesfD Message-ID: <KVOt8.4058$3z3.363954@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  3 "Maynard Handley" <name99@mac.com> wrote in messagea1 news:name99-1204021310280001@handma2.apple.com... K > Or how about a different viewpoint? Maybe managers have a specific set of K > needs and desires that Outlock offers them (because MS went out and askedaL > them) whereas sendmail and friends do not because they're the product of aI > CS student playing around with what he and his friends thought would beR > cool.s >tH There is nothing in Outlook/Exchange that isn't available as seperate orG integrated packages that are much  more reliable and much less resource: hungry.n  0 > There seems to be a general UNIX attitude thatI > (a) anyone who wants to use anything other than UNIX is, ipso facto, an? > idiot and  >sL Nope, it is all about the right tool for the right job.  Outlook/Exchange isJ a rather poor implementation of both a mail server and a mail reader.  TheE most often heard complaint about both of them are that they are slow,s. unreliable, and have egregious security holes.  H > You'd think a bunch of geeks who are supposed to be so smart could seeF > that these three viewpoints are mutually contradictory. Or are geeksK > really so stupid that they are unaware that the rest of the world is fullh2 > of people with different motivations from geeks? > H Maynard, if you take the belief that E-Mail is a critical infrastructureG piece of today's bussiness enviroment, then you must have realiability.>K Numerous companies have experience multi-day outages in their email systemstE that is directly attributable to their use of exchange.  During theseoL outages, the productive work of the employees basically plunges because theyJ are dependant on email as a communication medium.  Email is the only pieceD of critical bussiness infrastructure that corperations have activelyK transitioned from proven and reliable system, to more costly and unreliabler systems.   Aaron Spink: speaking for Myself Inc.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 05:15:27 GMTa  From: cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesD+ Message-ID: <3CB7BEE3.186622B4@prodigy.net>    Toon Moene wrote:g >  > Ken Green wrote: > >a# > > phn@icke-reklam.ipsec.nu wrote:  > >i< > > > In comp.os.vms Ken Green <Ken.Green@kgcc.co.uk> wrote: > I > > > > Have you ever tried educating end users? particularly management.a > > >nK > > > Yes.  Surpricingly many of this population can learn things. You have, > > > to speak to them though. > > >s > > * > > This is back to the can/will question. > >aD > > Most users want computers to work the way they want to use them.H > > They don't want to have to learn to work the way that is convienient > > for the computer.  > G > This never ceases to amaze me - back in school I spent quite a lot of&G > time learning to type (i.e., to operate the typewriter the way it wasi > designed). > G > Now they put a TV on top of it and all of a sudden it's *not done* tot > learn how to use them ?y >  > --I > Toon Moene - mailto:toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl - phoneto: +31 346 214290 8 > Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG  Maartensdijk, The NetherlandsI > Maintainer, GNU Fortran 77: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/g77_news.htmllG > Join GNU Fortran 95: http://g95.sourceforge.net/ (under construction)e  L I think that's a great point.  Another example is the automobile.  Suppose IL prefer to drive lying down, or without having to learn what those pedals and that big round thing are for.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:51:20 GMTg1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>   Subject: Re: LANCP ERROR MESSAGE' Message-ID: <3CB79FBC.D4395413@fsi.net>0   Mark Bowman wrote: > l > mb301@hotmail.com (Mark Bowman) wrote in message news:<1d08b916.0204040639.2774d24f@posting.google.com>... > > OpenVMS V6.2-1H3 > >>' > > LANCP> TRIG NODE WR2998/DEVICE=EWA0S* > > %LANCP-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter valueB > > -LANCP-I-OTHERAPP, Another application may be using the device > >s! > > Who is the other application?o > >i > > Regardsr > >  > > Mark > >r > > LANCP> show device ewa0 & > > Device Listing, volatile database: > > 
 > >    Devicei
 > >    ------a > >    EWA0b > >. > > LANCP> show device ewa0/mopo > >a& > > Device Listing, volatile database:C > >               --- MOP Downline Load Service Characteristics ---tF > >    Device     State   Access Mode      Clients           Data SizeF > >    ------     -----   -----------      -------           ---------G > >    EWA0      Enabled  NoExclusive  KnownClientsOnly       246 bytesp >  > ---------------rH > This problem was seen a few years ago.  A patch was created to resolveF > this and several other problems.  Release notes and a pointer to the+ > image can be found at the following site:n > Q > http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/axp/v6.21h3/alplan05_062.htmlM > C > Other problems that came to light while trying to use lancp whichs > might be of help to others.e > ? > http://www.compaq.com/support/askkcs/14_0_257072_2514708.html   G This is specific to DECnet-V. Unless it offers functionality needed for E your business, I do not recommend DECnet-V. DECnet-IV or no DECnet atrC all will do just as well with greatly less configuration/managementf effort.,  A > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/72final/6017/6017pro_093.htmloO > http://www.compaq.com/support/asktima/communications/CTI_SRC991210004161.htmlm  5 Thanx for the other two, also. *VERY* good to know...    -- a David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 03:35:03 GMTD1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r= Subject: Re: Memo:  Re: Best DCL programm you've ever writtenc' Message-ID: <3CB7A9FC.D1ABFFA8@fsi.net>k   paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:r > L > I wrote a networky one that accesses a DEMSA, gets it's current config and3 > converts that to a file that creates the permaent M > file on the system it downloads from. It has 2 uses - the primary one being H > the problem I was solving at the time - no good permaent files (deadlyL > situation) and 2: with this it becomes more convenient to make your changeI > on the live box, ensure it works and then refresh the permanent file. IeI > know these devices are long since out of support but there appear to bei4 > still many out there. Anyone interested just mail.  0 Yeah - I did goofy stuff like that with a DESNA.  H Also, I once did a DECnet client/server pair that provided for operatorsC on one node to perform management operations on a node they weren'tlE logged into (not clustered), but had a DECnet proxy set up for them. s  G I might be able to scrounge that one up. At that time, I was learning anE lot about PKZIP and Reflection/2 for DOS using WRQ's proprietary file G transfer protocol as well as X/Y/Zmodem (VRZ/VSZ), with the result thatoD I was able to get a lot of "my" VMS stuff onto diskettes. I recentlyE collected my old diskette files (mostly .ZIPs) onto CD-Rs in ISO-966037 format so I can MOUNT 'em on VMS, UN*X, WhineBloze, ...t   -- a David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:37:08 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>Y9 Subject: Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger! , Message-ID: <3CB7375B.D2A98D10@videotron.ca>   John Smith wrote:oM > If VMS is to be fully marketed and supported, where are the advertisements?lK > Where are the public pronouncements? Why aren't the Marketing guys takingnJ > the trade rag writers out for drinks and chatting them up? Why aren't weM > hearing from Compaq sales critters that this is the case rather than havingv > to beg for a secret letter.   N Considering that HP's opposition argued that PCs are not profitable, I find itL surprising that Carly didn't mention that the purchase of Compaq would allowN HP to maximise the product potentials of Tandem and VMS and hence greatly helpM to grow and make the new HP far more profitable. That would have put a lot ofm  sticks into Mr Hewlett's wheels.  2 Instead, Carly chose to remain very silent on VMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:07:48 GMTw# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e9 Subject: Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!sF Message-ID: <8gGt8.3016$OI1.2427@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CB71AB5.D1CBE2D6@videotron.ca...  L > Did you really ? You did reveal the fact that you had received it, and you did  > imply some of its contents.r > L > As soon as more than one person would have received such a letter, I would> > have been "safe" to leak it to Mike Magee or any other form. > F > Secondly, if Carly is "legally" prevented from discussing the Compaq productsJ > until the merger is complete, what was a Compaq employee doing with said) > letter and releasing it to a customer ?a    G The minute something is known by more than one person, it's no longer aa secret.gH Bob disclosed some details - others in this ng have disclosed/alluded toK other aspects. By weaving all the 'whispers' together, it's possible to geteI a surprisingly complete picture of what was said. Stuff like this is whatsH drives the military crazy: lower-downs or the enemy inferring a completeB operation from small bits. So we can infer some things - big deal.  G The real kicker in all this is the fact that there's such 'secrecy' (orlH perhaps lack of clearly articulated public statements) about all of thisC since September. First we hear that Carly can't talk about Compaq'suH products, then we hear her spouting off about everything except VMS. And. Curly et. al are noticeably silent on VMS too.  L What is it Carly - can you talk to us openly or are you just lying? Have you( instructed Curly to keep his mouth shut?  K If VMS is to be fully marketed and supported, where are the advertisements? I Where are the public pronouncements? Why aren't the Marketing guys takingmH the trade rag writers out for drinks and chatting them up? Why aren't weK hearing from Compaq sales critters that this is the case rather than havingr to beg for a secret letter.r  H Seems the only way to get the letter is via a dead-drop along a desertedG country road in Virginia, only after receiving the secret signal of thehJ big-X in yellow tape stuck on a lamppost in front of the Russian Embassy -I so Compaq/HP can have 'plausible deniability' when they backpedal on VMS.   H I think that inconsistency and FUD is the best we could ever hope to getH from Compaq or HP or ComHPaq. Curly, Carly, you have a long way to go toJ regain my trust. Actions speak louder than words, and public actions speak- louder than secret ones when it comes to VMS.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:42:27 -0400u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>u& Subject: Re: PS Device Control Library, Message-ID: <3CB72A8F.563859C3@videotron.ca>   Rick Dyson wrote:t1 > Here is the PS module to select the "top" tray:t >  > /top > {  >         0 + >         statusdict begin setpapertray end  >         20 785 moveto  > }def  I "statusdict begin"  enables printer specific function. One would need the I printer specific documentation for setpapertray, but your example make mehG think that setpapertray consumes one item from the stack, a number that.M defines which tray to use. "end" removes the dictionary that contains printer4G specific stuff from the top (so that variables defined elsewhere aren'tm defined in systemdict)  ( In this case, the above is equivalent to  # statusdict begin 0 setpapertray ende  N the  20 785 moveto  is not part of this at all and frankly I don't know why itF it there. (it moves the "cursor" to to top left of the page.) ( 0 0 inM postscript is bottom left of page). However, it is probably not hurting sincemI a good PS program would move the cursor to the right place before writing  anything on the page.s   my "guess" is thatO statusdict begin 1 setpapertray end  would select the second paper tray etc etcf   **************   > top   ? this actually executes "top" (sets paper tray and moves cursor)-    " > /old_showpage /showpage load def  G This defines "old_showpage" to have the current definition of showpage.:U (showpage rasterises what is in memory, spits the page out and resets lots of stuff).9   > /showpage0 > {d >         old_showpage
 >         top9 > }def    L This redefines showpage to execute the original "default" showpage, and thenH execute "top" which sets the paper tray and then move cursor to the top.    G Now, I am not sure if the HP printer keep the paper tray setting acrossh showpage, I think it should.  X So in your devctl, you could have a module names "TRAY_0" that would have the following:# statusdict begin 0 setpapertray endt  7 you could have a module named "TRAY_1" that would have a# statusdict begin 1 setpapertray endr etc   L I can't remember exactly what is the name of the "reset" module, I think youK can specify a module to be sent at the end of each job. In that module, youoA could have the code to reset the paper tray to the "default one".t  K Not sure if this will work on your printer, but you may be able to make the < change of default paper tray persistant across power cycles:  ' true 0 startjob	% exits the server loop  statusdict begin 	1 setpapertrayX endt+ false 0 startjob	% resumes the server loop.t  O > This module follows one that is a PJL to switch to PS mode and preceeds a bige > moduleE > of lots of local definitions, etc. and then the file comes through.t   so you would have:9 module1 that is the big one that switches from PJL to PS.w= module2 which is your small module with the paper tray switchn printed file. module3 possibly a reset module after the job.  R > Should it work at all?  Can the PS commands be sent to the printer in advance ofR > the  PS file, especially if the PS file was written by an application that makes > decent "stand-alone" PS?  N yes. this is done all the time. This is what DCPS does. The one caveat is thatN the printed file may override what you do in the setup modules. (for instance,K that stray "moveto" in the "top" definition is bound to be overriden by the  actual postscript file).  < But i would say that the setpapertray should be pretty safe.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:25:07 -0000o- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) # Subject: Rotted Link in OpenVMS FAQt7 Message-ID: <91EEAE34Ewarrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>o  J I bumped into a rotted link in the OpenVMS FAQ, Mail9, and wanted to pass 	 it along:a  K MPACK/MUNPACK. To send a MIME mail, construct ... Examples of both methods .= are in: http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/mmail.com v   ws -- s   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)i The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:07:00 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>aE Subject: Re: Samba V2.0.6 Failed to UID error Network map drive errorr* Message-ID: <3CB7856D.2090403@qsl.network>   Paul Richardson wrote: > Thanks John, > O > I have progressed a little thanks but (always a but!) I still have problems. t > R > The previous error was due to the account pr sharing the default UIC [200,200], T > this was inpart due the account being coloned from the default account without theV > relevenat flags to change its UIC. There was also no rights identifier in the rightsU > database for the default account or the newly created guest account, both have now e
 > been added.e > V > I can map a network drive to the alpha public from NT but for instance when I try toO > copy a 832k file from NT to VAX it fails with a network error. Smaller files fU > seem to be created without the error being produced. The following are the excerpts-  > from the smb.log respectively.  G Signal 10 may be indicating an ACCESS VIOLATION inside the SAMBA code, jG Unfortunately the UNIX code has established a fault handler for it and p> done an ordery exit, so we do not get a traceback to find the  programming error.  A It could be that some sort of malloc is failing and is not being eD detected.  Increasing the pagefile quota, (making sure that the the E physical and pagefiles can handle it) may be the way to make the bug  G invisible.  Many of these type bugs are now being found through a code S@ audit.  In the log, if the directory is [SAMBA.] then it is the E unmodified UNIX code.  The [SAMBA_VMS.] directory is the custom code.i  4 A higher debug level might produce more information.  I I was testing the file transfers with the 8 Mb Netscape image, so I know e0 that SAMBA should be able to handle large files.  / > CMS_ROOT:[SAMBA.SOURCE.LIB]DOSCALLS.C;1:(336)  >   dos_ChDir to Samba_Public R > [2002/04/12 14:42:19, 0, pid=4904, effective(7929977, 121), real(7929977, 121)] + > CMS_ROOT:[SAMBA.SOURCE.LIB]FAULT.C;1:(40)rC >   ===============================================================rR > [2002/04/12 14:42:19, 0, pid=4904, effective(7929977, 121), real(7929977, 121)] + > CMS_ROOT:[SAMBA.SOURCE.LIB]FAULT.C;1:(41)s1 >   INTERNAL ERROR: Signal 10 in pid 4904 (2.0.6)r5 >   Please read the file BUGS.txt in the distributioneR > [2002/04/12 14:42:19, 0, pid=4904, effective(7929977, 121), real(7929977, 121)] + > CMS_ROOT:[SAMBA.SOURCE.LIB]FAULT.C;1:(43)lC >   ===============================================================e   -Johnm wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlye   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2002 21:55:48 -0700, From: rdavid@imperialtech.com (Robert David)$ Subject: Re: Solid State disk drives= Message-ID: <5c6a04a2.0204122055.698745c0@posting.google.com>   = KeithParris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote in message   > E > Imperial Technology (http://imperialtech.com/) also sells SSDs into A > the VMS marketplace, I believe.  I haven't used their products.t0 > ----------------------------------------------  F Yep. They're still available for VMS. Sizes start at 4 GB and go up toD 51 GB per box. 160SCSI or 2Gibt Fibre SAN interfaces. We offer trade* in credit for Quantum EZ and DEC ESE SSDs.  ! Robert -- rdavid@imperialtech.come 310-536-0018   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:19:51 -0700 (PDT)v. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: TELNETSYM Errors @ Message-ID: <20020412191951.63675.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>  2 I still having network problems in one net segment, with TELNETSYM printers becoming in stalled.   OVMS 7.1-1h1  + UCX 4.2 ECO 05  2 In one right moment of disconnection I verified my bg device in the ucx  6 Device_socket: bg9205      Type: STREAM      LOCAL               REMOTE6                               Port:           2603                 20016                               Host:     C16001              10.163.0.112i&                               Service:  6                                                            RECEIVE       SEND6                                    Queued I/O                    0             0m6        Q0LEN         0             Socket buffer bytes           0             0d6        QLEN          0             Socket buffer quota        4096          409676        QLIMIT        0             Total buffer alloc            0             0n6        TIMEO         0             Total buffer limit        16384         16384 6        ERROR         0             Buffer or I/O waits           1             5b6        OOBMARK       0             Buffer or I/O drops           0             026                                    I/O completed                 2            39N6                                    Bytes transferred             9          8792      Options:  REUSEADR)   State:    ISCONNECTED CANTSENDMORE PRIV.   RCV Buff: WAIT   SND Buff: None    " What means CANTSENDMORE status ???   REgards    FC 2   =====E ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazils fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?/ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax  http://taxes.yahoo.com/-   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2002 14:12:39 -07001 From: KeithParris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) $ Subject: Re: Total cost of ownership= Message-ID: <6ec1251e.0204121312.5c609347@posting.google.com>i  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3CB67335.F73875C7@videotron.ca>... H > Some time ago, it was mentioned that VMS had lowest cost of onwership. > % > Here is Compaq's take on the issue:  > A > Compaq NonStop Himalaya Server Ranks #1 in Lowest Total Cost ofh >   Ownership Study   F The study lost a lot of value for me by only showing the top-three andC bottom-three (out of 16 platforms studied) on each graph.  I reallyl wanted to see all the values.r  C For most of the study, the results show Linux-on-Intel as being theoF most cost-effective, until they get to adding in the cost of downtime,@ and then Himalaya looks very, very good, of course.  And this isC exactly the purpose of Compaq posting such a study, of course -- soVD that Himalaya owners have some independent confirmation of what theyA knew all along: that when you absolutely can't afford downtime, aa# Himalaya solution can be very good.m  F OpenVMS appears only once, where it is shown as a little over half theD cost of an IBM Mainframe solution, and in that graph Himalaya is not> shown at all, so we can't compare them.  With the name 'CompaqE OpenVMS' shown, it appears this may not even have been a VMS cluster./  C TruClusters (I'm guessing that's what they meant by 'Compaq Alpha640D Cluster') appears only once, on the 'Downtime Cost' graph, in second place behind Himalaya.  ? I noticed that 'Wintel Cluster' actually had more downtime thanfE 'Wintel Non-Cluster', which I think accurately reflects the sad stateeB of low-end "clustering" today, where the added complexity, coupledF with poor reliability of the "cluster" solution itself, actually makesF a standalone system more reliable than a cluster in practice.  This isF the same thing E*Trade told me about Sun Clusters while I was there --E they found a standalone Sun box was actually more reliable than a SunoC Cluster configuration.  It can give real clusters a bad name, wheree, folks have never experienced the real thing.. ----------------------------------------------. Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2002 12:45:16 -0700! From: harrism@celerent.com (Matt) 9 Subject: Vista/Penril/Datability VCP 1000 Terminal Server < Message-ID: <53b1633d.0204121145.fa5c12d@posting.google.com>   Hi,f  L  Would anyone know where I can find a copy of the Install/User documentationH to install/configure a VCP-1000 Terminal Server? Customer is remote and ' we have no access to his Documentation.o                          Thanks,      a%                           Matt Harrisn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:46:37 -0700t0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>7 Subject: Re: VMS "unhackable" example just for Andy ... , Message-ID: <3CB7015D.6AC83F68@Mvb.Saic.Com>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > E > > this is off process softwares site ... you see Andy, us vms usersiE > > remain unhackable even w/cert advisories ... that's what we triedoC > > to tell you in other posts that most ip problems such as bufferv: > > overflows don't affect vms ... they just error out ... > >t > >d+ > > SNMP Inquiry - Cert Advisory CA-2002-03 T > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 
 > > Question:  > >sH > > Are either MultiNet or TCPware affected by CERT Advisory CA-2002-03E > > in Many Implementations of the Simple Network Management Protocolr$ > > (SNMP), dated February 12, 2002? > >e > > Answer:e > >pJ > > These SNMP vulnerabilities do NOT pose security risks for MultiNet andJ > > TCPware. MultiNet V4.4A is not vulnerable to these SNMP issues at all.H > > MultiNet 4.3A and TCPware have minor problems with access violationsE > > (resulting in the SNMP process dying), but pose no security risk.nG > > Patches for MultiNet 4.3A and TCPware V5.5-3 are available from the-I > > TCPware ECO Database and the MultiNet ECO database. Use the followingy > > kit names: > >R! > > MultiNet V4.3A: SNMP-020_A043r" > > TCPware V5.5-3: SNMPD_V553P011 > >. > D > Get it into your skull, people expect to get the IP stack with theA > OS no one expects to have to buy an additional product to get a. > secure bug free IP stack.d  F Get it through *your* skull, buying a separate IP stack has never beenD an issue at *any* VMS site I have ever dealt with.  VMS is clearly a	 differenta) world than the one you are familiar with.k  
 Mark Berryman  Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:06:27 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>m7 Subject: Re: VMS "unhackable" example just for Andy ...o, Message-ID: <3CB76870.D9A24391@videotron.ca>   Mark Berryman wrote:H > Get it through *your* skull, buying a separate IP stack has never beenF > an issue at *any* VMS site I have ever dealt with.  VMS is clearly a5 > different world than the one you are familiar with.c  M For existing customers, perhaps since existing customers have been trained tor$ accept being screwed for more money.  M But many other systems came with a TCPIP stack built-in at no extra cost. The I problem is that Digital had set its sights on OSI and was blindsighted by J TCPIP. In doing so, it allowed competitors such as Multinet to fill in theN gaps. And by the time DEC woke up, there were too many TCPIP stacks, each withI their own programming interface. TCPIP V5 is about 8-10 years late in thea strategic game.e  M By now, I think that things are better coordinated between stacks so it isn'tiB so much of an issue anymore. It just took way to long to get here.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:06:03 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>k2 Subject: Week ahead for Microsoft, Compaq, Gateway, Message-ID: <3CB7927E.B68AF25A@videotron.ca>   Note the comments about Compaq.      Morningstar.come1 The Week Ahead: Microsoft Could Offer a Mixed Bagm By Elizabeth S. Armbustere  L Here's what's on tap for next week: Earnings ReportsGreenspan SpeaksConsumer Price Indexs   Earnings Highlightsi  N Microsoft's (Nasdaq: MSFT - news) March-quarter report on Thursday likely willM be a mixed bag for the technology behemoth. Personal-computer demand improvedhL slightly in recent months, so Microsoft's desktop software business probablyN benefited, said Morningstar senior stock analyst Joseph Beaulieu. On the otherM hand, rumors of weak demand could prove true for the company's Xbox since the L game console has gotten off to a slow start in Japan, Beaulieu said. AnotherJ question mark is how well the company's enterprise software division faredL since rival Oracle (Nasdaq: ORCL - news) is now more conservative in its ownK projections, he said. Investors should consider buying Microsoft if it dips J into the low-fifties, keeping in mind that the government's antitrust suit2 could take a wild turn at any time, Beaulieu said.  I  Even if Compaq's March-quarter sales come in ahead of plan  Thursday, asdG management recently said they would,  investors should avoid the stock.aL Turmoil continues to surround its planned merger with Hewlett-Packard  , andF the shares are too expensive both if the deal goes through, and if it H doesn't, said Morningstar's Beaulieu. If sales were indeed higher in theG quarter, watch for low pricing on Compaq's products. That will mean then. company's profit margins are eroding, he said.  M  Investors can expect more ugliness Thursday from Compaq rival Gateway (NYSE:cL GTW - news). Analysts expect large  March-quarter losses, and sales that areG half of what they were in the same period last year. Even after cuttingoL expenses to the bone, Gateway's fixed costs are too high to let it challengeH Dell Computer  Investors should keep an eye on management's timeline for* returning to profitability, said Beaulieu.  M On Wednesday, Apple Computer's (Nasdaq: AAPL - news) March quarter could look J weak because its new series of iMac computers are suffering growing pains,H said Morningstar's Beaulieu. Apple didn't crank up production of the newK computers fast enough to keep up with demand. A product-transition-inspired I sell-off could present a buying opportunity, said Beaulieu, who likes theeG company for the long term. However, if weakness stems from poor expensetQ management, or poor retail store performance, investors should hold off, he said.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 03:24:44 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>R= Subject: Re: what disks can I put in an ALPHAstation 255/233?e' Message-ID: <3CB7A78F.FA56EAD4@fsi.net>e   Tom Linden wrote:  > > > But don't throw away the 26's, somebody with a 3100 might be> > very grateful to receive one, since that is the biggest boot: > drive you can use, and they don't make that small drives
 > anymore. >  > > -----Original Message-----0 > > From: Dan O'Reilly [mailto:dano@process.com]( > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 7:43 AM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComeA > > Subject: Re: what disks can I put in an ALPHAstation 255/233?a
 > > [snip]C > > If you're going to keep an RZ26 inside, then don't put anything  > > larger thansM > > an RZ28 in it.  Too much heat otherwise.  But why keep an RZ26 if you cano > > put, say, a 9gb drive in?e  H I have three, maybe four RZ26s in SW canisters (RZ26-VA) that I might beA willing to part with. Dunno what they've been selling for on eBayPE lately, and I'd prefer to avoid shipping overseas unless you *REALLY*c	 need one.   E What I'm looking for are RZ40-VAs at a good price (not retail resale,aE Islandco - sorry, looking for eBay-type pricing; i.e., "affordable"). F Does anyone know of a Seagate or other model I might traul for on eBay  and put 'em in the SW canisters?   -- t David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/f   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.203 ************************