1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 13 Apr 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 204       Contents:9 "offsite" backups that aren't (was: Re: Itanium troubles) ! Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network ! Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network  Apologize for misaddressing  Re: backup performance Re: backup performance) Re: Best DCL programm you've ever written  Best DIGITAL product ever? Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures ? Re: connecting UPS to VAX serial port (disabling logins on TXA) % Digital technical journal 4 anywhere? ) Re: Digital technical journal 4 anywhere? ( Re: Fwd: WIreless networking + VMS/Tru64 Re: IA64 is not the VAX G If HP illegally influenced Deutsche Bank, will acquisition be reversed?  Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles) Re: LVD SCSI on PWS 500au  MSCP serving Floppies # Re: northernlight.com response time 	 PC Worker 0 Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!0 Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!) Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it ) Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it 2 Q-BUS and SCSI - Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network Re: Rotted Link in OpenVMS FAQ WEBcam/VMS?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2002 14:46:20 +0200: From: jthorn@galileo.thp.univie.ac.at (Jonathan Thornburg)B Subject: "offsite" backups that aren't (was: Re: Itanium troubles)9 Message-ID: <3cb828a5$0$20898$3b214f66@news.univie.ac.at>   / In article <87pu13n5rf.fsf@tweety.mihalis.net>, % Chris Morgan  <cm@mihalis.net> wrote: B [[about off-site backups and the desirability of software that can support hot-standby failover]]E >Oh come on, the WTC disaster was unprecedented. Those towers were so 0  ===============================================F >large companies thought off-site was a different floor, the basement,B >or the other tower. One large company I know only had backups forG >their WTC office somewhere other than the disaster zone due to one guy # >who thought he was being paranoid.   C Earthquakes?  If I ran a datacenter in downtown San Francisco or LA B or Tokyo, I'd sure want my offsite backup to be in another city...  C Good disaster planning considers all plausible disasters, including 
 natural ones.   F Good disaster planning also considers man-made problems.  For example, quoting fromC    http://www.executive.govt.nz/minister/bradford/power/summary.htm B # After a series of four power cable failures, on 20 February 1998? # Mercury Energy Limited, the major distributor and retailer of F # electrical power to the city of Auckland, announced that it could no7 # longer supply power to the central business district. B It was several *months* before power was fully restored!  Auckland@ is, among other things, the largest city in New Zealand, and theC central business district where the power was cut off included many ( major corporate and banking datacenters.   --  ) -- Jonathan Thornburg <jthorn@aei.mpg.de> J    Max-Planck-Institut fuer Gravitationsphysik (Albert-Einstein-Institut),D    Golm, Germany             http://www.aei.mpg.de/~jthorn/home.htmlD    "Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and theB     powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral."J                                       -- quote by Freire / poster by Oxfam   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:15:08 +0200 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> * Subject: Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network/ Message-ID: <3CB7E90C.8000609@xs4all.nospam.nl>    issinoho wrote: ; > The box contains a TK70, does this make my life easier???  >   I In that case, you probably also have the external cable between the Qbus  A SCSIcintroller and the SCSIconnector on the left side of the box.   B However, It will not do you much good. The SCSI controller is not I suitable for driving "normal" SCSI devices, only one or more tape drives.   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:24:33 -0400 ' From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> * Subject: Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network' Message-ID: <3CB83FA1.178983FB@gce.com>   M Most any SCSI CD drive that is 2X or 4X should work fine with VMS. Some newer I ones that are way faster may not implement enough of SCSI. I have a drive I I believe from TEAC that works ok, even for boot, on an as200 4/233. Some I Sony drives are I believe known ok too. Search info-vax archives for some  model numbers.     issinoho wrote:  >  > Roy, > F > I'm up in central Scotland but would be glad to pay for any postage. > G > Incidentally, are there any commercial external CD-ROM drives I could 2 > purchase which would be compatible with the VAX? > N > For background, I manged a 25-node VMS cluster for 10 years then moved on toN > MS projects for the last 5 years and have recently re-acquainted myself with+ > VMS and realised how much I love/miss it.  > J > Nice to get back into the community. Any help would be much appreciated. >  > issinoho.  > < > "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message, > news:3CB6ED2D.9612306@BlueBubble.UK.Com... > > issinoho wrote:  > > 0 > > > Anyone got any bright ideas on this one... > > > M > > > I've recently acquired an old VAX 4000-200 which I've got running quite N > > > sweetly on our network, however I want to upgrade VMS and have no access > toJ > > > a CD-ROM. The VAX has an external SCSI connector but I don't have anN > > > external SCSI CD-ROM and wouldn't know which model to get which would be > > > compatible. Any ideas? > > " > > Where are you geographically ? > > N > > Wouldn't be the first time I've loaned a CD drive to fellow VMS people :-) > > 9 > > I'm near Saffron Walden, 10 miles south of Cambridge.  > > 
 > > Roy Omond  > > Blue Bubble Ltd. > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:12:57 +0200 . From: Marcin Szczecinski <marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl>$ Subject: Apologize for misaddressing0 Message-ID: <20020413171257.B11955@lodz.tpsa.pl>  < I have made mistake in address and sent thanks for Wolfgang = to INFO-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COM instead of INFO-VAX@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU  I am sorry for disturbing.   Marcin Szczecinski INFO-VAX reader    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:00:18 -0700 " From: Koloth <koloth@telocity.com> Subject: Re: backup performance , Message-ID: <3CB7C971.97317158@telocity.com>  N Actually you have to detune the account you run backup from to lower the queueM length.  I have done testing and that for backing up a sequential file like a P large database that having more than 9 outstanding I/Os queued is a waste.  EvenP for files all over a disk the most OpenVMS will allow from the system to a HSZxxN controller is 16.  So having a queue length up in the 50 to 100s only irks theP poor user of the disk.  Nothing like having your measly little I/O request stuck behind 100 other disk I/Os.   N I have asked to have a way to specify an I/O queue limit on the BACKUP commandL to help throttle disk load while still providing maximum backup performance.   Cass   Kenneth wrote:  M > Whenever I run the online disk backup with my application, the queue length N > of the disk will go very high (more than 100). What can I do to minimize the$ > queue? Any tunning for the backup? > & > I am using VMS7.2-1 in 2 alpha 8400.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:14:46 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: backup performance & Message-ID: <3CB7E8F6.4060909@home.nl>  G You did not state what kind of disk you're using. If it is a disk in a  8 HSZ cabinet, check if you can improve the configuration.G Has the writeback cache been enabled ? Has the maximum cached transfer  J size been set to 256 ? Things like that can make a significant difference.   Kenneth wrote:  L >Whenever I run the online disk backup with my application, the queue lengthM >of the disk will go very high (more than 100). What can I do to minimize the # >queue? Any tunning for the backup?  > % >I am using VMS7.2-1 in 2 alpha 8400.  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:06:51 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au 2 Subject: Re: Best DCL programm you've ever written5 Message-ID: <01KGIXOO1EV6000IAW@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   ) "Gijs" <Gijs@nospam.com> wrote in message - news:r0%s8.79635$oI.6433580@zwoll1.home.nl... B > When was it, what does it do for you and whe can it be obtained?  L Since I am mainly a technical programmer and only a part-time sys admin, my   application programs use DECset.  O I co-wrote 3 major .COM files to make life easier for our group of programmers  K to handle builds of any applications we worked on: setting up library path  F logicals and for all the relevant directories.  The .COM files handle G overnight verification and weekly total rebuilds along with regression  O testing.  Local copies of builds and DTM are also handled.  They also use many  N utility .COM files that I have written over the years, e.g. simulation of DCL  qualifiers and keywords by DCL.   $ When?  Since about 1994 and ongoing.  K Where?  Well, when I get time to package it and do proper documentation, I  I keep "threatening" to pass it to Hoff for the next freeware CD.  Time is  E always the problem, and it is geared to our environment so I need to  7 generalise a bit, and to set up an example environment.    Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:40:54 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> # Subject: Best DIGITAL product ever? ' Message-ID: <3CB86DA6.3ED3D33A@Free.fr>   K I just realized that, since 1957, DEC has produced *many* amazing products:    Ed Services F PDP/DECsystems/VAX/ALPHA/Rainbow/PC3xx/PWS and other computer hardwareE all network related devices from the DZ11 to the highly sophisticated 
 Wildfile ones ; DECnet4 & Plus/PSI/.../UCX-TCPIP and other network software R RT11/RSX/RSTS/TOPS/VMS/VAXEln/DECwindows and other operating systems or interfaces2 FORTRAN/BASIC/PASCAL/COBOL/ADA and other compilers< Rdb/DBMS/CDD/Datatrieve/RMS and other data retrieval systems  F What do we have today, now that COMPAQ has sold out nearly everything,E the one one keeps for the end, the best one, the perl of great value, - the cherry on the cake (as we say in French)?   
 Let's see:   Ed Sevices has been sold7 PDP, DECsystems, VAX and Alpha-based computers are dead ! Networking hardware has been sold ) RT11, RSX, RSTS, TOPS and VAXeln are dead / compilers have been or are currently being sold  Rdb and CDD have been sold DBMS is deadA Datatrieve I do not know (do readers in here know that Datatrieve F started as a personal midnite hack from a VMS engineer, who win a kindH of internal marketing contest with his program, and which program became then a product?)   What wo we have left?   8 DECnet, DECnet Plus, DECwindows, TCP/IP, RMS and... VMS.  + "Chapeau bas", messieurs de SW Engineering.    D.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2002 01:22:51 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>   Subject: Re: Blade architectures0 Message-ID: <qh7kncxb1g.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  ( peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes:J > I have a number of systems configured with no "swap file" (or partition)I > now, running FreeBSD. Some have no writable mass storage at all, others E > simply have more ram than the largest non-pathological working set.   H I have some machines with no swap also, most of which are using 1 GiB orH more of physical memory.  I'm getting extremely annoyed at OS installersF that either force me to set up a swap, or tell me that it's a bad idea not to.   F In the Linux world there seem to be people who insist that it's reallyG important to have a swap that's at least 3x the size of physical.  That H might be OK as a rule of thumb for newbies who don't have a grasp of theG memory usage on their system, but a fair number of people seem to think B that this is a general dogma, and have made pronouncements of direD consequences for those who ignore it.  Like most dogma, they have no rational justification for it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:58:01 +0200 5 From: "Tarjei T. Jensen" <tarjei.jensen@kvaerner.com>   Subject: Re: Blade architectures+ Message-ID: <a98rv2$n1i4@news.kvaerner.com>    "Eric Smith"  wrote H > In the Linux world there seem to be people who insist that it's reallyI > important to have a swap that's at least 3x the size of physical.  That J > might be OK as a rule of thumb for newbies who don't have a grasp of theI > memory usage on their system, but a fair number of people seem to think D > that this is a general dogma, and have made pronouncements of direF > consequences for those who ignore it.  Like most dogma, they have no  > rational justification for it.  3 There was a time when this rule made perfect sense.   J BTW windows tend to underestimate the swap space needed to make the systemL work well. Only on windows 2000 have I seen the system default to a sensible amount of swap.     
 greetings,   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2002 10:11:32 GMT+ From: mailer-daemon@bof.de (Patrick Schaaf)   Subject: Re: Blade architectures7 Message-ID: <3cb80454$0$12300$9b622d9e@news.freenet.de>   ( peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes:  I >If A crashes, then it won't be able to establish a new connection with B J >over the same ports, because the first packet it will send to B will be aM >SYN. Since B thinks it's got an established connection with that combination J >of IPs and Ports, it will respond with a RST rather than a SYN/ACK, and AG >will pass a "connection refused" back to the application and the whole , >hanging connection will come tumbling down.  H I sure hope it won't, from the point of view of B. It would be a trivialF denial of service opportunity otherwise, for somebody able to use A as a source address.   C In real life, A will probably select another local port, and retry. B The connection will hang at B, in the absence of application levelB timeouts, until an operator clears it manually (usually by killing the process which has it open).   J Note that normal "lots of connections" server processes, e.g. web servers,E do have appropriate application level timeouts for their connections, L giving a proper upper bound for the lifetime of any such hanging connection.   best regards	   Patrick    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2002 02:21:42 -0800* From: Floyd Davidson <floyd@ptialaska.net>  Subject: Re: Blade architectures' Message-ID: <87pu13526h.fld@barrow.com>   6 "Tarjei T. Jensen" <tarjei.jensen@kvaerner.com> wrote: >"Eric Smith"  wroteI >> In the Linux world there seem to be people who insist that it's really J >> important to have a swap that's at least 3x the size of physical.  ThatK >> might be OK as a rule of thumb for newbies who don't have a grasp of the J >> memory usage on their system, but a fair number of people seem to thinkE >> that this is a general dogma, and have made pronouncements of dire G >> consequences for those who ignore it.  Like most dogma, they have no ! >> rational justification for it.  > 4 >There was a time when this rule made perfect sense.  = It has *never* made any sense with Linux.  Though actually, I ? suspect he made a typo, and meant to say "2x the size", because @ that is the often quoted "rule of thumb".  It is totally invalid
 for Linux.   --  ; Floyd L. Davidson         <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd> ; Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                 floyd@barrow.com    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2002 10:58:15 GMT+ From: mailer-daemon@bof.de (Patrick Schaaf)   Subject: Re: Blade architectures5 Message-ID: <3cb80f47$0$337$9b622d9e@news.freenet.de>   , Floyd Davidson <floyd@ptialaska.net> writes:  > >It has *never* made any sense with Linux.  Though actually, I@ >suspect he made a typo, and meant to say "2x the size", becauseA >that is the often quoted "rule of thumb".  It is totally invalid  >for Linux.   H It was a valid recommendation during the 2.4 "stable kernel" development0 process, up to about 2.4.10. Thus the confusion.  G There are still, as far as I know, pathologies where no swap at all canrK result in deadlocks and lifelocks. IIRC Alan Cox (in the -ac kernel series)rK has a complete fix for the problem, i.e. that kernel derivative does propernJ allocation time accounting, not handing out memory that isn't there. It isN possible that this is already in 2.5 - I did not follow the topic too closely.  J Note that under normal operation, none of that mess shows; it is, however,) easily provocable by suitable benchmarks.t   best regards	   Patrickg   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2002 10:43:46 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)  Subject: Re: Blade architectures0 Message-ID: <a99252$2m7$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  0 In article <qh7kncxb1g.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>,5 Eric Smith  <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> wrote:r) >peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes:tK >> I have a number of systems configured with no "swap file" (or partition)PJ >> now, running FreeBSD. Some have no writable mass storage at all, othersF >> simply have more ram than the largest non-pathological working set. >gI >I have some machines with no swap also, most of which are using 1 GiB ornI >more of physical memory.  I'm getting extremely annoyed at OS installerstG >that either force me to set up a swap, or tell me that it's a bad idea- >not to.  A We have one with 128 GB of memory and a total of 1 TB of disk; we0' really DON'T want to allow swapping :-)c  G >In the Linux world there seem to be people who insist that it's reallyIH >important to have a swap that's at least 3x the size of physical.  ThatI >might be OK as a rule of thumb for newbies who don't have a grasp of theiH >memory usage on their system, but a fair number of people seem to thinkC >that this is a general dogma, and have made pronouncements of diresE >consequences for those who ignore it.  Like most dogma, they have no= >rational justification for it.c  E This is a special case of not learning from history.  Unix's resourcetD controls were traditionally rudimentary, and intended merely to stopD the more common cases of runaway code from crashing the system.  FewC Unices have progressed beyond that point - I was talking about thatn# some VMS developers only yesterday.k  A We know what is needed, and we knew by the early 1970s.  It isn'tdB hard to specify or control, provided that you are prepared to liveB with a bit of fuzziness at the edges and accept limited protectionD against intelligent malice.  But it needs designing in properly, not hacking in afterwards.  B Note that this was NOT thought through in Windows NT, and even theD limited facilities that were designed were never implemented (as farE as I know).  If I recall, VMS is marginally better, but is still veryo1 limited.  MVS certainly was, when I last used it.t     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:34:42 -0400h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r  Subject: Re: Blade architectures, Message-ID: <3CB86C33.18B778E1@videotron.ca>   Eric Smith wrote:oH > In the Linux world there seem to be people who insist that it's reallyI > important to have a swap that's at least 3x the size of physical.  That"J > might be OK as a rule of thumb for newbies who don't have a grasp of theI > memory usage on their system, but a fair number of people seem to think D > that this is a general dogma, and have made pronouncements of dire' > consequences for those who ignore it..    N When a significant proportion of users of an OS install it on "spare" hardwareJ (eg: old stuff), then you will find that a significant porportion of usersU will need swap and paging files because their system isn't setup with gigs of memory.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:15:07 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)H Subject: Re: connecting UPS to VAX serial port (disabling logins on TXA)J Message-ID: <rdeininger-1304020715070001@1cust89.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  @ In article <E16vxS6-0003TF-00@mailer.gwdg.de>, "GWDVMS::MOELLER"$ <moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de> wrote:  1 >Marcin Szczecinski <marcin@LODZ.TPSA.PL> writes:tH >> I have "intelligent" UPS connected to serial port (CXY08) of VAX (VMSG >> 5.5.2H4) so by issuing SET HOST /DTE TXAn i can connect to UPS, sendn# >> command and read status message.r >>[...]vM >> I have tried to disable interactive logins on this serial line by SET TERMo >> /NOTYPE (VMS faq MGMT40.). G >> After this, messages from UPS are ignored (great!) but i am not ablenL >> to get correct answers for my status querries - all i can see is garbage.K >> It seems that terminal port without TYPEAHEAD buffer enabled is dropping29 >> many incoming characters during SET HOST /DTE session.e >>[...]h >a >You disable logins by >y2 >        $ SET TERMINAL/PERMANENT/NOTYPEAHEAD txa0 > 2 >In order to *use* the terminal (temporarily), you >n >        $ ALLOCATE txa0; >        $ SET TERMINAL/TYPEAHEAD txa0   ! *not* /PERMANENTd  >        ... access terminal ... >        $ DEALLOCATE txa0 >eG >As long as the terminal is ALLOCATEd, login attempts are not possible.      Another strategy is .    $ SET TERMINAL/PERMANENT/SECURE_SERVER txa0G which leave the typeahead buffer enabled.  (If you initiate an outgoing I connection, you may still need the buffer if the returning data stream is I bursty.)   If you want to initiate a login from outside, you have to senda a "break" signal first.d  E For the application above, you might want to enable /ALTYPEAHD on ther terminal line as well.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:15:05 +0200e- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> . Subject: Digital technical journal 4 anywhere?' Message-ID: <3CB82F59.17FB76DC@Free.fr>-  " http://www.compaq.com/info/DTJ800/  I does not exist anymore and none of these Altavista results helped either:j     DEC Memorial Sited6 www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/dec_memorial_site.html  H compilers interpreters archive. code optimisation subject area. A BibTeXH version of this database can be found here. Article links with a size in- kbytes next to them are correct; documents... : nick.dcs.qmw.ac.uk/SEL-HPC/Articles/Gene...l/comp.opt.html  D compilers interpreters archive. miscellaneous subject area. A BibTeX version of this databaseG can be found here. Article links with a size in kbytes next to them areo correct; documents without a...t: nick.dcs.qmw.ac.uk/SEL-HPC/Articles/Gene.../comp.misc.html  A Citation details: Alpha AXP Architecture - Sites (ResearchIndex) o< R. Sites. Alpha AXP Architecture. Communications of the ACM, 36(2):33--44, February 1993.# citeseer.nj.nec.com/context/44950/0o  C References - Continuous Profiling: Where Have All the Cycles Gone? eA Continuous Profiling: Where Have All the Cycles Gone? References.OD AndL91. T. E. Anderson and E. D. Lazowska. Quartz: A tool for tuning7 parallel program performance. Proceedings of the ACM... 7 calab.kaist.ac.kr/etc/SOSP16/PAPERS/ANDERSON/REFER.HTM b  0 Yield Prediction by Sampling with the EYES Tool G ... R. Lambracht Jr., and D. G Lau. A yield enhancement methodology for H custom VLSI manufacturing. Digital Technical Journal, 4(2):83--99, 1992.; 3 G. A. Allan and A. J. Walton. Efficient critical area ...g2 www.ee.ed.ac.uk/STR/papers/gaaDFT96/gaaDFT96.html   E Sampling based yield prediction for ULSI. Gerard A. Allan, Anthony J.@ Walton Dept. ElectricalcH Engineering University of Edinburgh Edinburgh EH9 3JL,UK Tel +44 131 650 5602 Fax +44 131 650 6554 e...1 www.ee.ed.ac.uk/STR/papers/sampling/sampling.htmlo  @ Spike: An Optimizer for Alpha/NT Executables. Robert Cohn, DavidG Goodwin, P. Geoffrey Lowney, and Norman Rubin. spike@vssad.hlo.dec.com.e7 Digital Equipment Corporation. Abstract. Spike is a... :: www.usenix.org/publications/library/proc..._html/cohn.html   Thanks,u   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:24:04 +0200z- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 2 Subject: Re: Digital technical journal 4 anywhere?' Message-ID: <3CB83173.1EE8F748@Free.fr>a   Found at  : http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJ800/   Didier Morandi wrote:a > $ > http://www.compaq.com/info/DTJ800/ > K > does not exist anymore and none of these Altavista results helped either:  >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:21:15 -0400o1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>m1 Subject: Re: Fwd: WIreless networking + VMS/Tru64y2 Message-ID: <3CB83EDB.F423719B@firstdbasource.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > I am curious now ! > . > Anyone tried a Wireless OpenVMS Cluster ????  G Not unless you can get the speeds > 11MB/sec. the cluster traffic wouldl bury the bandwidth.r     > 	 > Regardss >  > FC# > Note: forwarded message attached.a >  > =====o > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?1 > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTaxa > http://taxes.yahoo.com/t > L >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > * > Subject: WIreless networking + VMS/Tru64% > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:52:57 GMTe7 > From: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson),+ > Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Servicea > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >  > Hi,m > B > Are there any Wireless networking cards that are compatible with > VMS/Tru64? > ! > Does Islandco sell them - Dave?  >  >  regards,h >  > Peter Watkinson  > peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com    -- S Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163e7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comt Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)  704-236-4377 (Mobile).   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2002 15:16:48 -0700 From: Greg Finn <finn@isi.edu>  Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX( Message-ID: <6whemgpnov.fsf@cnn.isi.edu>  ? >>>>> On 11 Apr 2002 14:43:17 -0700, Greg Finn ("Greg") writes:d  K  Greg> Machines designed to optimize execution of one particular high-leveleP  Greg> language at the detriment of others have, as a rule, failed commercially.;  Greg> The jack of all trades has won virtually every hand.o  H > The PDP-10 was tuned to provide good Lisp performance, but you seem toI > be saying that it was also equally well tuned for other things as well.    Yes, for its day.e  ' You snipped out something important ...d  G >> Nothing necessarily prevents one from building a Lisp/Pascal/Ada ...tN >> microprocessor.  But for it to be commercially successful, it would have toH >> (1) compete cycle for cycle with other general-purpose micros and (2) >> support OS/app portability.  J > So please explain to me in what way, technically speaking, the SymbolicsJ > architecture was designed to optimize one particular high level languageH > to the detriment of others.  What was the fatal flaw that prevented it: > from performing well when executing the other languages?A > Then explain to me how that is what caused the company to fail.t  C Since many language specific workstation companies failed, I find asI management-specific failure argument unconvincing.  Especially when theresD were at least three companies selling lisp machines that all failed.  L I believe you are concentrating exclusively on the hardware.  I was not.  MyK lisp machine was from Xerox and it certainly could not compete as a FortraneB box or a C box.  It was language-specific when booted.  It did not2 support app portability, let alone OS portability.  I Maybe the hardware in a Symbolics machine could run Fortran and C just aswI fast as a 68010, or whatever was the best 68000 system at that time.  Didf it?b  J I do know Symbolics machines were initially six feet tall, quite expensiveC by comparison to a normal workstation and needed a good deal of air G conditioning.  Perhaps that had something to do with their demise also?t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:29:31 -0400- From: Ray <lists@aik.tec.sc.us>aP Subject: If HP illegally influenced Deutsche Bank, will acquisition be reversed?- Message-ID: <3CB86AFB.962403C4@aik.tec.sc.us>-  " HP chief's 'extraordinary' message Brian Bergstein in San Joset The Associated Press 11apr02   C TWO days before Hewlett-Packard shareholders voted on the contestedt@ purchase of Compaq Computer, HP chief Carly Fiorina told her topA lieutenant she was nervous about the outcome and suggested taking 4 "extraordinary" steps to win over two big investors.  ; "If you would take Deutsche Bank, I'll take Northern Trust,s@  get on the phone and see what we can get, but we may have to doB  something extraordinary for those two to bring them over the line  here,"sA Ms Fiorina said in a voice mail to chief financial officer Robert  Wayman.e  C The message was anonymously forwarded to a reporter at the San Jose F Mercury News, which printed a transcript of it and made the audio clip available online.-  E The disclosure comes as HP's last-minute moves to win support for theaI $US19 billion ($35.77 billion) Compaq deal are at the centre of a lawsuit29 against the company by dissident director Walter Hewlett.   I Mr Hewlett, the son of an HP co-founder and the leader of the proxy fightn@ against the deal, claims HP improperly got the investment arm ofA Deutsche Bank to switch 17 million votes in favour of the deal byhD threatening to take future business away from the bank. Deutsche hadN helped arrange a multi-billion-dollar line of credit for HP just days earlier.  E Mr Hewlett wants a Delaware judge to throw out Deutsche Bank's votes,iG which he believes were enough to give HP what Ms Fiorina called a "slime7 but sufficient" margin of victory in the March 19 vote.s  @ Ms Fiorina's voice mail to Mr Wayman apparently was retrieved byB someone with access to an internal server connected to the companyB phone system. HP confirmed that it was authentic, but claimed that9 nothing discussed in the message was improper or illegal.s  @ Mr Wayman said in a statement that HP executives were constantlyJ assessing whether they had effectively pitched the deal to large investorsN and "did in fact make extraordinary efforts" in the final days, with dozens of last-minute presentations.  F Still, Mr Hewlett's lawyers believe the voice mail could support theirB Delaware lawsuit and expect the message will be turned over in theD pre-trial discovery phase. The trial is scheduled to begin April 23.  D Dennis Block, who heads the mergers and acquisitions division at theG Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft law firm in New York, said the voice mailaG shows that Ms Fiorina and Mr Wayman went all out to lobby investors butfH is not in itself evidence they resorted to improper or coercive tactics.  9 "I do not view the voice mail as a smoking gun," he said.f  F But Charles Elson, director of the corporate governance program at theJ University of Delaware, said the voice mail "certainly does not help" HP's case.s  G "The use of the term 'extraordinary' leads one to question what kind ofa( means are extraordinary," Mr Elson said.  E In her message to Mr Wayman on the night of March 17, Ms Fiorina said @ she and HP's proxy solicitor were nervous that Deutsche Bank andI Northern Trust would reject the deal. Deutsche Bank controlled 25 million @ HP shares; Northern Trust Global Investors had about 13 million.  F "And so the suggestion is that you call the guy at Deutsche Bank againK first thing Monday morning," Ms Fiorina said in the voice mail. "And if you.D don't get the right answer from him, then you and I need to demand aH conference call, an audience, etc., to make sure that we get them in theO right place. So, Alan (Miller, HP's proxy solicitor) is feeling like you need a J definite answer from the vice chairman, and if it's the wrong one, we have to swing into action."  E Deutsche Bank has refused to comment. Northern Trust Global InvestorsdI would not disclose whether it voted for or against the deal, but said its11 position did not change at all in the final days.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:23:08 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r Subject: Re: Itanium troubleso, Message-ID: <3CB7CEAD.A40D7D93@videotron.ca>   aaron spink wrote:J > Maynard, if you take the belief that E-Mail is a critical infrastructureI > piece of today's bussiness enviroment, then you must have realiability.e    K I suspect that we will eventually hear more about the IT impacts of the WTCyI disaster. While many companies had their mission critical trading/banking-M stuff with disaster recovery schemes, how many departmental mail servers werea "disaster recovered" ?  I Considering the amount of documents and correspondance that folks keep aseL email messages stored either on the local PC or on the departmental exchangeM server, the loss of those servers is a very important issue. Even the loss ofr. a day or two's worth of emails is sighificant.  M This is where a solution such as PMDF or ALL-IN1/office-server can realy maketI a difference because they can run on a disaster-tolerant cluster with all.I emails preserved in case of a disaster. Heck, with ALL-IN-1, they can useBC character cell terminals to access their emails until their PCs arei operational on the new site.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:53:36 +0200 5 From: "Tarjei T. Jensen" <tarjei.jensen@kvaerner.com>w Subject: Re: Itanium troubless+ Message-ID: <a98rmp$n1i3@news.kvaerner.com>m   Maynard Handley   wroteaK > Or how about a different viewpoint? Maybe managers have a specific set ofiK > needs and desires that Outlock offers them (because MS went out and askedpL > them) whereas sendmail and friends do not because they're the product of aI > CS student playing around with what he and his friends thought would be  > cool.nK > Maybe, for example, the calendaring that you laugh at is important enoughfF > to the purchasers that it is worth whatever the extra TCO of outlook > happens to be?  L These people are programmers. They are not system administrators. There is aI world of a difference between those two ways of looking at the world. TherG programmers seems have no idea whatsoever about how complex todays userrG environments are and hence no understanding of what is required to make7B things work. And they do not worry about future incompatibilities.  ? When they say "you only have to", my alarm bells start ringing.i  0 > There seems to be a general UNIX attitude thatI > (a) anyone who wants to use anything other than UNIX is, ipso facto, anw > idiot andtK > (b) that anyone who wants to do anything other than the UNIX way is, ispoe > facto, an idiot andsK > (c) that gee wouldn't it be nice if everyone switched to UNIX rather than  > use Windows.  9 They lack basic empaty and that is why they don't get it.e  K Have any of these people managed to create a vision about how things shouldeF work? Not likely, because that means they have to design and work to a$ specification. And that is not cool.  L I have just installed FreeBSD 4.5 and reading the manual pages and web pagesG it becomes quite clear that these people simply do not get it. They are I unable to think product and think like a user would (user = non fanaticaleL devotee). I wonder if I should use the word inept or incompetent to describe the effort involved.  H > You'd think a bunch of geeks who are supposed to be so smart could seeF > that these three viewpoints are mutually contradictory. Or are geeksK > really so stupid that they are unaware that the rest of the world is full 2 > of people with different motivations from geeks?  H You are talking to a bunch of people who were unable to grasp the simpleG relationship between graphical displays and the need to print somethingh reasonably similar on paper.  H More than 10 years after microsoft launched windows with printer driversK these people still think support for printing means that the system support2 the lpr/lpd protocol.   
 greetings,   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2002 08:27:00 -0400# From: Chris Morgan <cm@mihalis.net>e Subject: Re: Itanium troubles5/ Message-ID: <87pu13n5rf.fsf@tweety.mihalis.net>t  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:O  O > This is where a solution such as PMDF or ALL-IN1/office-server can realy makeSK > a difference because they can run on a disaster-tolerant cluster with alloK > emails preserved in case of a disaster. Heck, with ALL-IN-1, they can use,E > character cell terminals to access their emails until their PCs are  > operational on the new site.  D Oh come on, the WTC disaster was unprecedented. Those towers were soE large companies thought off-site was a different floor, the basement, A or the other tower. One large company I know only had backups forgF their WTC office somewhere other than the disaster zone due to one guy" who thought he was being paranoid.  D Even if part of this disaster-tolerant cluster had been offsite, the; chances are high the connectivity would have been lost too.I -- eH Chris Morgan <cm at mihalis.net>                  http://www.mihalis.net        Temp sig. - Enquire within   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:43:03 -0400A- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>L Subject: Re: Itanium troubles , Message-ID: <3CB86E27.886A229A@videotron.ca>   Chris Morgan wrote:UF > Oh come on, the WTC disaster was unprecedented. Those towers were soG > large companies thought off-site was a different floor, the basement,iC > or the other tower. One large company I know only had backups foruH > their WTC office somewhere other than the disaster zone due to one guy$ > who thought he was being paranoid.  I Nop. The serious companies had offsite disaster recovery in new jersey oreL elsewhere. But the problem is that the many departmental office systems wereR not considered to be mission critical and hence not recoverable without much loss.  L That is the problem with an architecture that is not very scalable. Having aM central repository for corporate emails and documents makes disaster recoverymL much simpler because the loss of PCs and departmental servers means the lossJ of only software, not documents/data. It means that when you recover, yourQ employees still have access to the projects they were working on, emails etc etc.n  M But when the architecture forces you to distribute the document storage ue tonM lack of scalability, then it becomes much harder to expect each department toa7 setup a disaster recovery plan for their local servers.s   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2002 13:11:27 +0200: From: jthorn@galileo.thp.univie.ac.at (Jonathan Thornburg)C Subject: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles) 9 Message-ID: <3cb8126a$0$22188$3b214f66@news.univie.ac.at>   B In an article to which I have alas lost the reference, someone who I think was Ken Green, wroteB > Most users want computers to work the way they want to use them.F > They don't want to have to learn to work the way that is convienient > for the computer.g  4 In article <3CB724A8.EB459F86@moene.indiv.nluug.nl>,1 Toon Moene  <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> respondedFG | This never ceases to amaze me - back in school I spent quite a lot ofrG | time learning to type (i.e., to operate the typewriter the way it was  | designed). | G | Now they put a TV on top of it and all of a sudden it's *not done* ton | learn how to use them ?.  G Toon has a very valid point.  In support of his point, consider anothereH gadget common in modern life, which I would argue is considerably *less*C complicated than a computer+software, and think about the amount of48 training and practice it takes to operate _this_ gadget:  $   Newsgroups: rec.humor.funny.reruns6   From: mec@shell.portal.com (Michael Edward Chastain)8   Subject: Transcripts from the General Motors help lineU   Keywords: original, chuckle, computers, originally appeared in fourth quarter, 1994s&   Message-ID: <Sd3c.27a4@netfunny.com>$   Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 7:20:01 PST   Lines: 72-   +   [This is original.  I made it up myself.]0   G   General Motors doesn't have a help line for people who don't know howc$   to drive.  Imagine if they did ...   >               ------------------------------------------------   <   *HelpLine:* "General Motors HelpLine, how can I help you?"I   *Customer:* "I got in my car and closed the door and nothing happened!"nE   *HelpLine:* "Did you put the key in the ignition slot and turn it?"-#   *Customer:* "What's an ignition?"1H   *HelpLine:* "It's a starter motor that draws current from your battery   and turns over the engine." G   *Customer:* "Ignition?  Motor?  Battery?  Engine?  How come I have to 5   know all these technical terms just to use my car?"t   >               ------------------------------------------------   <   *HelpLine:* "General Motors HelpLine, how can I help you?"H   *Customer:* "My car ran fine for a week and now it won't go anywhere!"&   *HelpLine:* "Is the gas tank empty?"$   *Customer:* "Huh?  How do I know?"J   *HelpLine:* "There's a little gauge on the front panel with a needle and;   markings from 'E' to 'F'.  Where is the needle pointing?"_;   *Customer:* "It's pointing to 'E'.  What does that mean?" H   *HelpLine:* "It means you have to visit a gasoline vendor and purchase=   some more gasoline.  You can install it yourself or pay the-    vendor to install it for you."J   *Customer:* "What?  I paid $12,000 for this car!  Now you tell me that I?   have to keep buying more components?  I want a car that comesd   with everything built in!"   >               ------------------------------------------------   <   *HelpLine:* "General Motors HelpLine, how can I help you?"   *Customer:* "Your cars suck!"r   *HelpLine:* "What's wrong?" .   *Customer:* "It crashed, that's what wrong!"$   *HelpLine:* "What were you doing?"P   *Customer:* "I wanted to run faster, so I pushed the accelerator pedal all theB   way to the floor.  It worked for a while and then it crashed and   it won't start now!-O   *HelpLine:* "It's your responsibility if you misuse the product.  What do you:   expect us to do about it?"K   *Customer:* "I want you to send me one of the latest version that doesn'tG   crash any more!"   >               ------------------------------------------------   <   *HelpLine:* "General Motors HelpLine, how can I help you?"N   *Customer:* "Hi, I just bought my first car, and I chose your car because it=   has automatic transmission, cruise control, power steering, &   power brakes, and power door locks."?   *HelpLine:* "Thanks for buying our car.  How can I help you?" !   *Customer:* "How do I work it?" )   *HelpLine:* "Do you know how to drive?"n&   *Customer:* "Do I know how to what?")   *HelpLine:* "Do you know how to drive?"uP   *Customer:* "I'm not a technical person.  I just want to go places in my car!"      --   Michael Chastain   mec@shell.portal.com      --K   >From  the RHF archives as selected by Brad Templeton, Maddi Hausmann andnE   Jim Griffith.  This newsgroup posts former jokes from the newsgrouprN   rec.humor.funny.   Visit http://www.netfunny.com/rhf to browse the RHF pages   and archives on the web.   L   This newsgroup does not accept submissions.  See rec.humor.funny for that.   -- s) -- Jonathan Thornburg <jthorn@aei.mpg.de>uJ    Max-Planck-Institut fuer Gravitationsphysik (Albert-Einstein-Institut),D    Golm, Germany             http://www.aei.mpg.de/~jthorn/home.htmlD    "Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and theB     powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral."J                                       -- quote by Freire / poster by Oxfam   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:27:51 +0200p& From: Bob Marcan <bob.marcan@aster.si>" Subject: Re: LVD SCSI on PWS 500au( Message-ID: <3CB84E77.149AB8EA@aster.si>   Dirk Munk wrote: >  > Keith A. Lewis wrote:  > D > >I'm looking to add storage to my 500au.  I found a page at CompaqH > >http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB00W3PF.PDF that listsO > >both LVD (low-voltage differential) and non-LVD options for internal drives. C > >This confuses me because I have read that you can't mix the two.a > > I > You can mix the two, but if you do they will all be used as non-LVD. Ini@ > case you have a LVD controller, you will loose the LVD access. >  > >D > >BF > >The 2 drives in it now come up as RZ2CC-KA, 4.3 GB.  Are those LVD? > >e > Very unlikelys >  > >TheL > >PKA0 device thinks it's a Qlogic ISP1020 but the newer Qlogic devices areG > >probably backward-compatible to that driver so it could be somethingdM > >newer/better.  I looked at some of the loose internal cables, and they aree > >68-pin connectors.w > >e$ > It will be a ISP1040, (UW, no LVD) >  > >s > >aI > >I want to know if I can add an internal LVD SCSI disk without adding ab > >controller card.  > >t > G > Yes you can, but it will be used as a normal UW drive. And take care,o1 > VMS doesn't like every SCSI disk it encounters.r >  > >  > >nO > >Second question -- How about an ultra-ATA (IDE) disk?  It seems to work finer > >for the CD-ROM. > >rH > If I remember correctly, this is not supported. But I'm not 100% sure. >  > >a > >s > >I'm running OpenVMS 7.3.p > >o. > >--Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgA > >The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.t > >c  A I'm using http://www.acard.com/eng/product/scside/aec-7720uw.htmlh+ in my PW 500au, Tru64 v51.A. Drive is IBM :l@     Bus/Target/Lun Device Type  ANSI  Vendor ID    Product ID    Revision N/W@     -------------- ----------- ------ --------- ---------------- -------- ---B      4    2    0   Direct      SCSI-2 IC35L060  AVER07-0          	 ER6O    Wt  G I have tested the same converter on the Dec 3000-300 under VMS 7.3 withtG Compaq 20GB IDE drive (don't remember the type) and was working withouts the glitch.e   -- i@  Bob Marcan                           mailto:bob.marcan@aster.si?  Aster                                tel:    +386 (1) 5894-329o?  Nade Ovcakove 1                      fax:    +386 (1) 5894-201 @  1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia                    http://www.aster.si   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2002 03:03:52 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: MSCP serving Floppies- Message-ID: <87elhk4u3r.fsf@prep.synonet.com>i  ; OK, I'm sure this used to work, but when I went to set somei: floppies MSCP served, the command completed with no error,: but it did not apear on the other members, and a SHOW  DEV did not show it as MSCP served.c   Anyone any pointers here?o   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.u@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:25:26 +0200i# From: Paul Sture <p_sture@decus.ch>h, Subject: Re: northernlight.com response time( Message-ID: <3CB84DE1.3402E5DA@decus.ch>   Knoll wrote: > G > It is known that Northern Light no longer provides free Web search to  > the general public.'F > The Special Collection continues to be available for free searching,	 > though.n > I > However, access to http://www.northernlight.com has become so slow thatP > theyE > practical value of northernlight has decreased dramatically for me.jC > I do not know whether this is only true for requests comming fromr	 > Europe.b > ) I don't see any speed problems from here.h __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:30:25 +0800d& From: "work at home" <mlsxh@citiz.net> Subject: PC Worker" Message-ID: <5067858@MVB.SAIC.COM>  3 Would you like to work at home ? PC Worker  processe orders4 from your own home! All you need is a PC, Email, and quality printer!3 Email ebizw6@yahoo.com with 'more info'' in subjectv line for more  information    This is a one time mailing. ' To be removed, reply to mlsxh@citiz.neto  with REMOVE in the subject line.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:22:06 -0400s' From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com>i9 Subject: Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!e' Message-ID: <3CB83F0E.976084E5@gce.com>   L I for one am happy to hear that there has been some confirmation HP does notI plan to abolish VMS. There have been numerous messages here bemoaning the J lack of such a message. Granted this report is constrained, but the mergerH is still pending and CEOs have to behave themselves to some extent. OTOHK this particular item is probably not at all what Congress was worried aboutrF when the laws about keeping quiet were passed, and if some leaks occur/ about VMS plans it's not going to be trouble...m  C Leaks like this happen all the time. The feds do get into them whenuN they smell of insider trading, but product futures in a non monopoly situation0 haven't ever in my recollection been an issue...   Glenn Everhart     John Smith wrote:a > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3CB71AB5.D1CBE2D6@videotron.ca... > N > > Did you really ? You did reveal the fact that you had received it, and you > dida > > imply some of its contents.t > >tN > > As soon as more than one person would have received such a letter, I would@ > > have been "safe" to leak it to Mike Magee or any other form. > >iH > > Secondly, if Carly is "legally" prevented from discussing the Compaq
 > productsL > > until the merger is complete, what was a Compaq employee doing with said+ > > letter and releasing it to a customer ?a > I > The minute something is known by more than one person, it's no longer af	 > secret.pJ > Bob disclosed some details - others in this ng have disclosed/alluded toM > other aspects. By weaving all the 'whispers' together, it's possible to getiK > a surprisingly complete picture of what was said. Stuff like this is whathJ > drives the military crazy: lower-downs or the enemy inferring a completeD > operation from small bits. So we can infer some things - big deal. > I > The real kicker in all this is the fact that there's such 'secrecy' (orhJ > perhaps lack of clearly articulated public statements) about all of thisE > since September. First we hear that Carly can't talk about Compaq'shJ > products, then we hear her spouting off about everything except VMS. And0 > Curly et. al are noticeably silent on VMS too. > N > What is it Carly - can you talk to us openly or are you just lying? Have you* > instructed Curly to keep his mouth shut? > M > If VMS is to be fully marketed and supported, where are the advertisements?tK > Where are the public pronouncements? Why aren't the Marketing guys taking J > the trade rag writers out for drinks and chatting them up? Why aren't weM > hearing from Compaq sales critters that this is the case rather than havingv > to beg for a secret letter.t > J > Seems the only way to get the letter is via a dead-drop along a desertedI > country road in Virginia, only after receiving the secret signal of thesL > big-X in yellow tape stuck on a lamppost in front of the Russian Embassy -K > so Compaq/HP can have 'plausible deniability' when they backpedal on VMS.n > J > I think that inconsistency and FUD is the best we could ever hope to getJ > from Compaq or HP or ComHPaq. Curly, Carly, you have a long way to go toL > regain my trust. Actions speak louder than words, and public actions speak/ > louder than secret ones when it comes to VMS.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:45:25 -0400u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l9 Subject: Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!y, Message-ID: <3CB86EB5.2CE7D526@videotron.ca>   Glenn Everhart wrote:e > N > I for one am happy to hear that there has been some confirmation HP does not > plan to abolish VMS.   What confirmation ?h  . Rumours of a letter don't a confirmation make.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:43:48 GMT % From: "Mike McMahon" <mmcm@attbi.com>p2 Subject: Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it: Message-ID: <oCWt8.25858$%s3.8854765@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>  L Here is one of the places that attempts to resolve the question of which wasJ the first .COM registration: http://www.tbtf.com/archive/0104.html (search$ down for "history of domain names").   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2002 16:30:45 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>2 Subject: Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it6 Message-ID: <20020413163045.17786.qmail@gacracker.org>  6 On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy3 <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote:  >Doc.Cypher wrote: > 9 >> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancye6 >> <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote: >> e	 >> <snip>e >> fA >>>Lengthy analysis of Freddy boys past postings suggests that ifo@ >>>any technical competence is displayed at all it may be in the= >>>area of X11 or USB drivers for OpenVMS, possibly a new USB < >>>keyboard mapping for X11 on OpenVMS being the most likely< >>>candidate for Freddys technical prowess. A new use for F19 >>>being a likely area possibly as a on off power switch.  >>>  >> / >> What "lengthy analysis"?s >  >n> >None I was joking you don't need lengthy analysis to work out7 >what kind of competence Freddy is likely to display or@ >not as the case may be.  @ Personally I dislike the level you sink to. I'll admit that I amI disappointed that Fred has returned the same level of insults, but I veryhJ much doubt it is part of his job description to counter whatever you post.  hJ >> Every damn time you're challenged to back up the nonsense you post, youL >> can't be bothered to look up google to provide links to documents backingE >> up your claims. Why should anyone believe any different about yourh' >> knowledge of Fred's posting history?y >>  I >> As a recent example, see Message-ID: <3CB6118F.4090401@sun.com>, and Ie >> quote...  >>  K >> In article <3CB6118F.4090401@sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyh6 >> <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote: >> i >>>Christopher C. Stacy wrote: >>>eE >>>>Do you have some benchmarks we could see that back up your claim?e >>>> >>>>; >>>Hell no it was a very long time ago and people generallyo; >>>used to just say the Symbolics were faster than a Sun/HPy >>>IBM etc.e >>>s >> tK >> This was promptly followed by someone else who could be bothered lookingrN >> actually quoting benchmarks. Face it, you're just lazy, or haven't mastered- >> the finer points of using a search engine.e >> a >e > 6 >Except as you will realise if you read the thread you: >will also have noted that the benchmark results retrieved >via Google proved my point.  J So if you'd bothered to look you could have found evidence to back up yourG claim. Then it wouldn't be unsubstantiated and open to question. As younG might note, I didn't comment on the accuracy or otherwise of your post,mF just your continued failure to do what you so often tell others to do.  9 >Since when did using a search engine become a substitute  >for using your brain ???a  J It didn't. However, if you expect to be taken seriously you should provideC evidence to back up your assertions. As stated, your claim remained D unsubstantiated until *somebody else* did the research for you. I'veG already pointed out that I could find no evidence that you've ever usedaI deja or google, just that you frequently tell others to do so. That's theiD point I've been trying to make here, and in the other thread where I followed up to you.o     Doc. -- n6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.neth   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:21:25 GMT_- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>s; Subject: Q-BUS and SCSI - Re: Accessing CD-ROM over networku* Message-ID: <3CB85BC5.1040106@qsl.network>   issinoho wrote:s; > The box contains a TK70, does this make my life easier???   < A TK70 is not SCSI and has nothing related to SCSI about it.  G The TK70 does allow you to make a bootable standalone backup, and also eE if you can get the distribution on TK50 or TK70 tape format, you can p then install it using it.o  H The systems that had the SCSI internal bus are the R-4XX series chassis.G The presence of the SCSI connector does not indicate the presence of a   SCSI adapter in the system.:  K The R-4XXX chassis were typically sold with VAX 4000-300 and higher series.D  G The Digital KZQSA SCSI adapter has two SCSI connectors on it.  It also 'F looks quite a bit like a CXY08.  The CXY08 is a 8 port serial adapter.  C You must look carefully at the model number on the card to see the t difference.     I What you need to tell us is the model numbers and module numbers of each oC board in your system.  The stickers on the blank panels may not be -3 accurate as many sites do not keep them up to date.i  < We would also need to know what model cabinet that you have.  H Third party SCSI adapters for the Q-BUS may have all different types of H external connectors on them.  Internally they usually had a 50 pin SCSI I connector.  Some required special drivers and will not function with out i them.e  H The 50 pin connector on a q-bus bulk head does not guarantee that it is J a SCSI connector.  Many other widgets for VAX used that type of connector.  E And until you learn the rules about putting cards in a q-bus, do not r5 add, remove, or change the order of any of the cards.$  G Search the "Ask the Wizard" section from http://www.openvms.compaq.com mF for more information about the q-bus.  Also look in the "OpenVMS FAQ".  = When using HTTP://www.google.com to search, use the keywords  , "serpentine" and "hoffman" along with q-bus.   -Johny wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion OnlyH   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:57:27 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>e' Subject: Re: Rotted Link in OpenVMS FAQt' Message-ID: <3CB82B37.2F2DE8C1@Free.fr>e  < http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/software/openvms/mmail.com   D.   Warren Spencer wrote:I > K > I bumped into a rotted link in the OpenVMS FAQ, Mail9, and wanted to passd > it along:  > L > MPACK/MUNPACK. To send a MIME mail, construct ... Examples of both methods> > are in: http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/mmail.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:00:00 +0200e- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>i Subject: WEBcam/VMS?' Message-ID: <3CB82BD0.2AB38CFB@Free.fr>m  E Anyone knows about a WEBcam that could be connected to an Alpha via al2 serial port or any other digital acquisition card?  A I mainly need info on motorized 3 axis video cameras to be remote: controlled via a WEB interface.    Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.204 ************************