1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 14 Apr 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 206       Contents: #5343# 200 IT ebooks2 A simple way to manipulate the date/time required.! Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network & Re: ANN: HGFTP V3.0-1 is now available+ ANUNEWS gives ACCVIO; neither will it build / Re: ANUNEWS gives ACCVIO; neither will it build / Re: ANUNEWS gives ACCVIO; neither will it build / Re: ANUNEWS gives ACCVIO; neither will it build / Re: ANUNEWS gives ACCVIO; neither will it build  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures & Re: decnet problem with satellite boot& Re: decnet problem with satellite bootK Foes ask HP judge to keep info secret - integration planning not going well  Re: GNU cc vs VMS CC listings * Re: Help! VT100 emulators - some problems. Re: IA64 is not the VAX  Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Java with the WASD webserver. ! Re: Java with the WASD webserver. " Re: learning how to use a computer" Re: learning how to use a computer> Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)> Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles) Survey on Your Alpha Hardware  Re: TELNETSYM Errors, Re: Time to finally rename VMS back to VMS ?: Upgrade of OpenVMS from V7.2-1 to V7.2-1H1 from CD Failed.> Re: Upgrade of OpenVMS from V7.2-1 to V7.2-1H1 from CD Failed.4 Re: Vista/Penril/Datability VCP 1000 Terminal Server# Re: WIreless networking + VMS/Tru64   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:41:35 +1000 ) From: "onlinebooks" <booksales@lycos.com>  Subject: #5343# 200 IT ebooks 9 Message-ID: <1Ccu8.38532$uR5.90032@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>    #5343# 200 IT ebooks at http://css.com.au/onlinebooks    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2002 09:12:01 -07007 From: norma.toolsie@bartsandthelondon.nhs.uk (nortools) ; Subject: A simple way to manipulate the date/time required. = Message-ID: <27d25fc7.0204140812.397340d8@posting.google.com>    Hi, E Does anyone know a "simple" way to extract the date and time and then ? remove all the superfluous hyphens, colons, full-stops, spaces, E leaving just the numbers and letters, e.g: 14APR1711. This is without @ having to resort to lots of symbol creations and using f$locate,F f$extract to manipulate the created symbols. My latest procedure worksE but runs to about 14 lines. I am sure the same result can be achieved  in less lines than this. Thanks N    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:17:05 +0100 $ From: "issinoho" <iain@issinoho.com>* Subject: Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network: Message-ID: <3cb96523_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>   email me & we'll talk, Alan.    2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:q9bhbugciotgbj96iihio1uuj7csnmo1s1@4ax.com...D > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:22:37 +0100, "issinoho" <iain@issinoho.com> > wrote: >  > >Roy,  > > G > >I'm up in central Scotland but would be glad to pay for any postage.  > H > Well that;'s where I am as well. Hey, a few more and we'll have enough, > to start a Scottish DECUS VMS SIG again :) >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 02 12:05:06 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) / Subject: Re: ANN: HGFTP V3.0-1 is now available ) Message-ID: <5Vuf9Cw8angq@elias.decus.ch>   a In article <3cb5a0b3.165824863@news.process.com>, goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) writes: J > On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:27:17 +0200, Paul Sture <p_sture@decus.ch> wrote: >  >>Hunter Goatley wrote:  >>>   >>A really good pitch for HGFTP. >>	 > Thanks.  >   )    You are welcome. I went and got it :-)   4    Netscape from my VMS system now sees my anonymous    FTP directory perfectly.   4    Moreover, I can report quite dramatic performance5    improvements over TCP/IP FTP. A simple test of the 5    two showed that when pulling a ~100MB file from my     Linux system took:        TCP/IP FTP 3:09      HGFTP      0:49    __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:46:11 +0200 # From: Paul Sture <p_sture@decus.ch> 4 Subject: ANUNEWS gives ACCVIO; neither will it build( Message-ID: <3CB94FDD.27E07A0B@decus.ch>   Hi good folks.  B I am trying to coax ANUNEWS into life, with little success so far.  F 1. It connects to my news server OK and gives me a list of newsgroups,D but when I try to open a newsgroup and then read it, I simply get anG ACCVIO (with no address info). Any read operation at the prompt results 
 in ACCVIO.  ? 2. It won't compile. I must state that I am _not_ a C expert... B (Alpha VMS V7.3 with all relevant ECOs as at last weekend applied) TCP/IP services    $ @newsbuild Compiler used: DECC D %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of VAXC$INCLUDE has been superseded@ %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of LINK_OPT has been superseded@ %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of LINK_OPT has been superseded% UCX IP support included (qio drivers) P cc/NOLIS/DEFINE=(UCXQIOS=1,UCX=1)/PREFIX=ALL_ENTRIES/TIE/NOMEMBER_ALIGN/STANDARDP =RELAXED_ANSI/WARN=(ENABLE=CHECK,DISABLE=(GLOBALEXT,NOSHAREEXT,ADDRCONSTEXT,IGNO' RECALLVAL,VALUEPRES,MACROEXT),NOINFORM)  $ cc inpaths  - int getopt(int, const char **, const char *);  ....^ H %CC-W-MISMATPARAM, In this declaration, parameter 2 has a different type: than specified in an earlier declaration of this function.= at line number 152 in file USER:[ANUNEWS.NEWS_SRC]INPATHS.C;1   - int getopt(int, const char **, const char *);  ....^ A %CC-E-NOTCOMPAT, In this declaration, the type of "getopt" is not F compatible with the type of a previous declaration of "getopt" at line number 400 in file SYS$ ! COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;3. = at line number 152 in file USER:[ANUNEWS.NEWS_SRC]INPATHS.C;1   2     while (( c=getopt(argc, argv, "sml" )) != EOF) ............................^ H %CC-W-PTRMISMATCH, In this statement, the referenced type of the pointerE value "argv" is "pointer to const char", which is not compatible with  "const pointer to char".= at line number 209 in file USER:[ANUNEWS.NEWS_SRC]INPATHS.C;1    const char **nargv;  ...........^B %CC-E-PROMOTMATCH, In the definition of the function "getopt", the; promoted type of nargv is incompatible with the type of the / corresponding parameter in a prior declaration. = at line number 592 in file USER:[ANUNEWS.NEWS_SRC]INPATHS.C;1     
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:01:22 +1000 = From: "Mark\(unMASK\)Forsyth" <forsytMhm@optAushoSme.com.aKu> 8 Subject: Re: ANUNEWS gives ACCVIO; neither will it build" Message-ID: <k1kb9a.cgq.ln@really>  0 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@decus.ch> wrote in message" news:3CB94FDD.27E07A0B@decus.ch... > Hi good folks. > D > I am trying to coax ANUNEWS into life, with little success so far. > H > 1. It connects to my news server OK and gives me a list of newsgroups,F > but when I try to open a newsgroup and then read it, I simply get anI > ACCVIO (with no address info). Any read operation at the prompt results  > in ACCVIO. > A > 2. It won't compile. I must state that I am _not_ a C expert...    Me either...:-)   D > (Alpha VMS V7.3 with all relevant ECOs as at last weekend applied) > TCP/IP services   B All I did to get it going was to get hold of NEWS_V621_SRC.ZIP andJ NEWS_V61-BETA10_DOC.ZIP. Unzipped the source into [.news_src], set defaultI to [.news_src] and did  @newsbuild U BOTH nodebug ""  "" "" decc . Worked  fine.     @   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 10   on a DEC 3000 Model 300 running OpenVMS V7.1-2   and   & DEC C V5.2-003 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2   Ooroo 	 Mark F...  >  > $ @newsbuild > Compiler used: DECC 	 [deletia]    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:23:23 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)8 Subject: Re: ANUNEWS gives ACCVIO; neither will it build; Message-ID: <3cb974bb.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   $ Paul Sture (p_sture@decus.ch) wrote:D > I am trying to coax ANUNEWS into life, with little success so far. ... A > 2. It won't compile. I must state that I am _not_ a C expert... D > (Alpha VMS V7.3 with all relevant ECOs as at last weekend applied) > TCP/IP services  >  > $ @newsbuild > Compiler used: DECC F > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of VAXC$INCLUDE has been supersededB > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of LINK_OPT has been supersededB > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of LINK_OPT has been superseded' > UCX IP support included (qio drivers) R > cc/NOLIS/DEFINE=(UCXQIOS=1,UCX=1)/PREFIX=ALL_ENTRIES/TIE/NOMEMBER_ALIGN/STANDARDR > =RELAXED_ANSI/WARN=(ENABLE=CHECK,DISABLE=(GLOBALEXT,NOSHAREEXT,ADDRCONSTEXT,IGNO) > RECALLVAL,VALUEPRES,MACROEXT),NOINFORM)  > $ cc inpaths > / > int getopt(int, const char **, const char *);  > ....^ J > %CC-W-MISMATPARAM, In this declaration, parameter 2 has a different type< > than specified in an earlier declaration of this function.? > at line number 152 in file USER:[ANUNEWS.NEWS_SRC]INPATHS.C;1   C getopt() is now included with Compaq C. Thus, you must disable this F declaration (by macro, if someone already thought of this, or by plain commenting it out).    > const char **nargv;  > ...........^D > %CC-E-PROMOTMATCH, In the definition of the function "getopt", the= > promoted type of nargv is incompatible with the type of the 1 > corresponding parameter in a prior declaration. ? > at line number 592 in file USER:[ANUNEWS.NEWS_SRC]INPATHS.C;1    ...and this definition, too.  C In most Unix software I've ported, this is done by defining a macro 5 HAVE_GETOPT if the RTL has that function, and putting      #ifndef HAVE_GETOPT    ...    #endif  B around any local declaration or definition of getopt(). Of course,A you must then modify NEWSBUILD.COM too to include "HAVE_GETOPT=1" A in the /DEFINE section. Perhaps it's easier to just /* ... */ it.    cu,    Martin --  D                     | Martin Vorlaender    |    VMS & WNT programmer-   Smiert Spamionem  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D                     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/4                     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 02 17:42:23 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 8 Subject: Re: ANUNEWS gives ACCVIO; neither will it build) Message-ID: <aNCS3tKGwi1b@elias.decus.ch>   b In article <k1kb9a.cgq.ln@really>, "Mark\(unMASK\)Forsyth" <forsytMhm@optAushoSme.com.aKu> writes: > 2 > "Paul Sture" <p_sture@decus.ch> wrote in message$ > news:3CB94FDD.27E07A0B@decus.ch... >> Hi good folks.  >>E >> I am trying to coax ANUNEWS into life, with little success so far.  >>I >> 1. It connects to my news server OK and gives me a list of newsgroups, G >> but when I try to open a newsgroup and then read it, I simply get an J >> ACCVIO (with no address info). Any read operation at the prompt results
 >> in ACCVIO.  >>B >> 2. It won't compile. I must state that I am _not_ a C expert... >  > Me either...:-)  > E >> (Alpha VMS V7.3 with all relevant ECOs as at last weekend applied)  >> TCP/IP services > D > All I did to get it going was to get hold of NEWS_V621_SRC.ZIP andL > NEWS_V61-BETA10_DOC.ZIP. Unzipped the source into [.news_src], set defaultK > to [.news_src] and did  @newsbuild U BOTH nodebug ""  "" "" decc . Worked  > fine.  >   5    Now, where did you find those please? I grabbed my /    version from the openvms.compaq site, and it 2    definitely spits errors, even with your command    line.  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:59:51 +0200 B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>8 Subject: Re: ANUNEWS gives ACCVIO; neither will it build7 Message-ID: <3CB9B587.4C12@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>    Paul Sture wrote:  > f > In article <k1kb9a.cgq.ln@really>, "Mark\(unMASK\)Forsyth" > <forsytMhm@optAushoSme.com.aKu> writes: > > F > > All I did to get it going was to get hold of NEWS_V621_SRC.ZIP andG > > NEWS_V61-BETA10_DOC.ZIP. Unzipped the source into [.news_src], set  H > > default to [.news_src] and did  @newsbuild U BOTH nodebug ""  "" ""  > > decc . Worked fine.  > > 7 >    Now, where did you find those please? I grabbed my 1 >    version from the openvms.compaq site, and it 4 >    definitely spits errors, even with your command
 >    line.    ftp://ftp.arnes.si/software/VMS/  E It may also be good to know that there is a newsgroups for Anu--news    news:news.software.anu-news  F It is rather quiet , but Bob Sloane, creator of Anu-news still answers
 questions.   --   ME Posted by news://news.nb.nu    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2002 01:56:14 -0400: From: Scott Schwartz <"schwartz+@usenet "@bio.cse.psu.edu>  Subject: Re: Blade architectures2 Message-ID: <8gk7rau8ld.fsf@galapagos.cse.psu.edu>  ( peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes:J > > In the Linux world there seem to be people who insist that it's reallyE > > important to have a swap that's at least 3x the size of physical.  > 3 > Hmm. 2x seems to be the rule of thumb in FreeBSD.   B On solaris, which has a very nice VM-based /tmp filesystem, having? lots of extra swap space is useful even if no program uses much  memory.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2002 01:15:50 -0700$ From: Marco S Hyman <marc@snafu.org>  Subject: Re: Blade architectures+ Message-ID: <x7zo06wv9l.fsf@hana.snafu.org>   ( peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes:  M > Best is to think, "OK, I need so many megabytes of memory to run everything 7 > I want. How much of that can I afford to make real?".   H But don't forget to add: "And I want usable crash dumps so I should makeF swap at least large enough to hold one" even though that uses a lot of  disk in these days of cheap ram.  9 OpenBSD 3.1-beta (MIMI) #29: Fri Apr 12 11:49:05 PDT 2002 ?     marc@mimi.snafu.org:/usr2/src/sys/arch/sparc64/compile/MIMI  total memory = 1207959552  avail memory = 1112367104 0 using 7372 buffers containing 60391424 of memory ...    and   6 #        size   offset    fstype   [fsize bsize   cpg] ... L   b:  4194288  1048320      swap                        # (Cyl. 1040 - 5200) ...   A That's 4,194,288 512 byte sectors or 2,147,475,456 bytes of swap.    // marc    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:00:09 +0100 / From: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley)   Subject: Re: Blade architectures( Message-ID: <pfnb9a.0m.ln@teabag.cbhnet>  - According to Marco S Hyman  <marc@snafu.org>: C > That's 4,194,288 512 byte sectors or 2,147,475,456 bytes of swap.   F I've got the same amount but with half the memory; the original intentF wasn't to have 4 times as much swap as core but twice the amount (1GB)C but I decided that interleaved swapping across two devices would be C advantageous so, not being bothered to resize all the partitions on D the first disc, another 1GB partition got added to the mix.  Just as. well disc space is fairly cheap these days...!   Chris.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2002 12:01:32 GMT* From: Casper H.S. Dik <Casper.Dik@Sun.COM>  Subject: Re: Blade architectures* Message-ID: <a9br2s$m9h$5@news1.xs4all.nl>  ( peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes:  I >> In the Linux world there seem to be people who insist that it's really D >> important to have a swap that's at least 3x the size of physical.  2 >Hmm. 2x seems to be the rule of thumb in FreeBSD.  C The only real answer is "you need as much swap as you need".  t all C depends on your work load.  Rule of thumbs work badly when they are F used unchanged from the days we had 4MB to a whopping 16MB whereas Sun5 now support systems between 64MB and 576GB of memory.   + Rules of thumb don't really cut it anymore.    Casper --  F Expressed in this posting are my opinions.  They are in no way related2 to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems.? Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may  be fiction rather than truth.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:14:09 GMT 7 From: ssthapa@classes.cs.uchicago.edu (Suchandra Thapa)a  Subject: Re: Blade architectures8 Message-ID: <slrnabgsgu.a18.ssthapa@hepcat.telocity.com>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > Eric Smith wrote: I >> In the Linux world there seem to be people who insist that it's really J >> important to have a swap that's at least 3x the size of physical.  ThatK >> might be OK as a rule of thumb for newbies who don't have a grasp of theeJ >> memory usage on their system, but a fair number of people seem to thinkE >> that this is a general dogma, and have made pronouncements of direC( >> consequences for those who ignore it. >  > P > When a significant proportion of users of an OS install it on "spare" hardwareL > (eg: old stuff), then you will find that a significant porportion of usersW > will need swap and paging files because their system isn't setup with gigs of memory.*    G     Actually, linux itself is pretty bad about handling virtual memory.eJ The 2.4 kernels needed the swap space to be at least twice the size of theK physical memory due to the way the VM works.  Swap space isn't reclaimed so K pages can be duplicated in memory and swap.  So having swap space the same lM size as your physical memory doesn't do anything if you are swapping heavily.i   --  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------& Suchandra Thapa                       & s-thapa-11@NOSPAMalumni.uchicago.edu  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2002 22:38:14 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  Subject: Re: Blade architectures- Message-ID: <87wuva2vmx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>u  7 "Tarjei T. Jensen" <tarjei.jensen@kvaerner.com> writes:e   > "Eric Smith"  wrotedC > > In the Linux world there seem to be people who insist that it'syB > > really important to have a swap that's at least 3x the size ofB > > physical.  That might be OK as a rule of thumb for newbies whoF > > don't have a grasp of the memory usage on their system, but a fairD > > number of people seem to think that this is a general dogma, andF > > have made pronouncements of dire consequences for those who ignoreE > > it.  Like most dogma, they have no rational justification for it.e  45 > There was a time when this rule made perfect sense.a  G Oh? 8 Mb memory, 24Mb swap. 512 Mb memory, 1 1/2Gb swap... For the sameg tasks. I don't think so.  C You need as much as you need, plus a margin. It all depends on what"A you are doing with the machine. It is OK for the margin to be therE biggest part of swap. In fact, if you do not have a clue about memoryH0 needs, it is a very good idea to do it that way.   -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:17:30 -0400>+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>   Subject: Re: Blade architectures1 Message-ID: <3CB9816A.7A78D627@trailing-edge.com>t   Paul Repacholi wrote:P > 9 > "Tarjei T. Jensen" <tarjei.jensen@kvaerner.com> writes:s >  > > "Eric Smith"  wrotewE > > > In the Linux world there seem to be people who insist that it'siD > > > really important to have a swap that's at least 3x the size ofD > > > physical.  That might be OK as a rule of thumb for newbies whoH > > > don't have a grasp of the memory usage on their system, but a fairF > > > number of people seem to think that this is a general dogma, andH > > > have made pronouncements of dire consequences for those who ignoreG > > > it.  Like most dogma, they have no rational justification for it.C > 7 > > There was a time when this rule made perfect sense.  > I > Oh? 8 Mb memory, 24Mb swap. 512 Mb memory, 1 1/2Gb swap... For the sameo > tasks. I don't think so. >  > You need as much as you need  A No, unfortunately that's not how things work in the "real world".p= "You get as much as you can grab" is more appropriate for howr$ successful managers claim resources.  C Sorry I'm in such a crabby mood, but I just read the minutes from adE meeting where a department that currently has a few dozen phone lines,9 was trying to bully its way to getting 8 internal OC-3's.a   > plus a margin.  @ If the margin is related to what you actually need, that's fine.E But Jesus Christ, they could simultaneously stream every pornographict@ movie ever made through 8 OC-3's!  (No, I did not blurt that out at the meeting, but it's true!)d   > It all depends on whatC > you are doing with the machine. It is OK for the margin to be themG > biggest part of swap. In fact, if you do not have a clue about memorye2 > needs, it is a very good idea to do it that way.   Tim.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2002 14:06:54 GMT& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)  Subject: Re: Blade architectures- Message-ID: <a9c2du$2lt@web.eng.baileynm.com>h  2 In article <8gk7rau8ld.fsf@galapagos.cse.psu.edu>,< Scott Schwartz  <"schwartz+@usenet "@bio.cse.psu.edu> wrote:* > peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes:L > > > In the Linux world there seem to be people who insist that it's reallyG > > > important to have a swap that's at least 3x the size of physical.n  5 > > Hmm. 2x seems to be the rule of thumb in FreeBSD.x  D > On solaris, which has a very nice VM-based /tmp filesystem, havingA > lots of extra swap space is useful even if no program uses mucho	 > memory.h  G There's a lot of systems that have a tmpfs like that. I'm not sure what K advantage it has over a regular UFS partition mounted "async" and recreated 9 on boot, so long as you have a good unified VM subsystem.i   -- h+  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.IE   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."rL                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2002 14:13:20 GMT& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)  Subject: Re: Blade architectures- Message-ID: <a9c2q0$34i@web.eng.baileynm.com>   + In article <x7zo06wv9l.fsf@hana.snafu.org>,1& Marco S Hyman  <marc@snafu.org> wrote:* > peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes:O > > Best is to think, "OK, I need so many megabytes of memory to run everything 9 > > I want. How much of that can I afford to make real?".@  J > But don't forget to add: "And I want usable crash dumps so I should make) > swap at least large enough to hold one"t  J I have rarely found kernel memory dumps particularly useful. In most casesI where they have been useful, all the useful information was in the kernel(K printf buffers that hadn't been flushed to disk at the time of the crash...dF and that only because I hadn't set them up with a serial console and a logger.c  L Having the kernel dump just *that* data to disk would be just as useful, andK in the rare situation where you need more you can plug an extra disk with a4 big swap partition.T   --  +  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.:E   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything." L                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:03:17 +0100y; From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcher@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk> / Subject: Re: decnet problem with satellite boota@ Message-ID: <j6fu8.6020$Xf5.409679@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>  J Are the various ethernet adapters connected to the same physical ethernet?  K With Phase IV the adapters run with a MAC address based on the DECnet PhaseuJ IV address - and all adapters in the machine get the same MAC address. So,J you have to ensure that you've got the various ethernet adapters connectedG to different ethernet segments and that those ethernet segments are notaL bridged together. If not then you have more than one adapter trying to startH up with a duplicate MAC address - which is what I suspect is causing the "invalid media ... " message.2  I If you have multiple adapters connected to the same ethernet segment thenwI you can only run DECnet Phase IV over one of those adapters. Incidentally I this is why DECnet Phase V only enables Phase IV compatible addressing onlL the first ethernet adapter (by default, you can override it if you want to).J You can run other protocols (DECnet V, TCP/IP, LAT, SCS, MOP ...) over theA other adapters to get greater overall network traffic throughput.    -- Hope this helps. Colint# (colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk)e    @ "Martin Bondy" <mbondy1pjennings@starpower.net> wrote in message% news:a9apo6$suc$1@bob.news.rcn.net...dF > I am having a problem with DECNET4 (not OSI !) recognizing a GigabitH > ethernet interface (DEGPA-500) when I boot an ES40 as a satellite nodeI > (using  either of 2 DS10's clustered together, as the boot server - allCJ > computers are using VMS7.3).  I have 2 other 100Mbit ethernet interfaces inI > the ES40 which VMS/Decnet finds just fine.  I have done a netconfig andn therL > Gbit interface shows up in the permanent decnet database, but when I startH > DECNET I get a message about "invalid media EWA-1" , which is the Gbit' > interface.  Three possible clues are:w3 >    1. TCPWARE finds the Gbit interface just fine.rB >    2. The clustering software finds the Gbit interface just fineL >    3. If I boot the ES40 from it's own system disk, then DECNET also finds& >        the Gbit interface just fine. >SK > I know that I can't MOP boot from the Gbit interface (I've been told thatfI > the Gbit driver isn't in the PROM), but after booting VMS 7.3 why can'tt > DECNET see the Gbit device?  >e8 > Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. >- > Martin Bondy > martin_bondy@yahoo.com
 > mbb@zai.com  >  >2 >: >3   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2002 00:01:00 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: decnet problem with satellite booto- Message-ID: <87sn5y2rsz.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-  7 "Martin Bondy" <mbondy1pjennings@starpower.net> writes:0  C > DECNET I get a message about "invalid media EWA-1" , which is thes, > Gbit interface.  Three possible clues are:3 >    1. TCPWARE finds the Gbit interface just fine..B >    2. The clustering software finds the Gbit interface just fineF >    3. If I boot the ES40 from it's own system disk, then DECNET also( >    finds the Gbit interface just fine.  = # is the big clue I think. I'd guess that there is a repeatert> sending the ethernet trafic into the GBE port, so it can 'see'> trafic from 'its' address, hence the invalid media message. IfA you bring up the GBE first, it is happy. You need to ensure theren* is a bridge between the GBE and Ethernet.    -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.g@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:09:50 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>tT Subject: Foes ask HP judge to keep info secret - integration planning not going wellE Message-ID: <ikeu8.16131$OI1.50@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>w  % Foes ask HP judge to keep info secretE# By Ian Fried  Special to ZDNet News- April 12, 2002, 2:25 PM PT  L  Hewlett-Packard and Walter Hewlett are both asking the judge presiding over? their case regarding the Compaq Computer merger to keep certainw6 "particularly sensitive" information from public view.  K In a letter to the Delaware court, an attorney for Walter Hewlett said both B parties have agreed to an order that would limit the disclosure of8 information deemed "highly confidential" by either side.  I Lawyers for Walter Hewlett also had been seeking to prevent HP executives J and in-house lawyers from learning the identities of certain HP and CompaqF workers who have provided information to the dissident director. UnderJ Hewlett's proposal, HP's outside attorneys would be told the identities ofH those workers but would be barred from sharing that information with the$ company. HP had opposed that notion.  L A source familiar with the proceedings told CNET News.com that the two sidesJ have reached an arrangement that will allow HP's in-house lawyers, but notG company management, to learn the identities of those providing evidence  against the company.  D Hewlett is suing the company his father founded, asking the DelawareJ Chancery Court to throw out the results of HP's March 19 shareholder vote.  L HP claims it won the shareholder vote by a "slim but sufficient margin," butG Hewlett has refused to concede defeat. An official tally is still being L prepared by a Delaware firm. In legal papers, Hewlett claims that the margin& of victory may be less than 1 percent.  G In the Delaware suit, Hewlett charges that HP improperly used financialPL inducements to convince large shareholder Deutsche Bank to swing its vote inL favor of the deal. Hewlett also contends that HP failed to disclose problems6 being encountered in the integration planning process.  K HP denied the charges and asked a Delaware judge to throw out the case, butMH Chancellor William Chandler III granted Hewlett a trial, which is set to begin April 23.N  L Walter Hewlett's lawyers claim they have gotten unsolicited information fromE HP and Compaq workers that supports their contention that HP knew itssI integration planning was not going as well as it was publicly projecting.r  H "While HP has suggested that those who disagree with management's publicH statements are lower-level employees, and limited in number, we stronglyH believe that the evidence will show that concern about the key financialL numbers was widespread and pervasive," Hewlett lawyer Lawrence Ashby said in a letter to the court Thursday.D   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2002 11:04:20 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)v& Subject: Re: GNU cc vs VMS CC listings3 Message-ID: <wEJo$flXeAok@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3cb9172b.0@topcat.tabbygnat.com>, "Douglas B Rupp" <rupp@nospam_gnat.com> writes:wI > It's amazing the amount of misinformation that abounds on this subject.W > K > Speaking only wrt Gnu C for Alpha, since I know very little about the VAXh
 > version: > N > Gcc output that contains the expansion of the include files can be obtain by > eitherM > passing the "-E" switch, or with the -save-temps switch. However this isn'tEN > generally needed, since the traceback correlates to the original source, not > the- > expanded source. > N > Gnu C doesn't generate Macro output and never has. It does generate assembly# > code for the Gnu assembler (Gas).s  @ So GEM is not involved at all in creation of programs on Alpha ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:18:16 +0200d& From: Bob Marcan <bob.marcan@aster.si>3 Subject: Re: Help! VT100 emulators - some problems.s( Message-ID: <3CB96578.B58FF6FC@aster.si>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > sword7@speakeasy.org wrote:n, > > For example, I tried to enter 'type/pageJ > > file.txt', it worked ok but ended up one-line window at bottom screen.E > > I had to get out of terminal and re-logged back into OpenVMS 7.2.h > P > if you do a SHOW TERMINAL, it may give you a hit of why it isn't working fine.K > When you login, VMS typically interrogates the terminal with a few escape J > sequences to find its capabilities. One of these interrogations involvesJ > positioning the cursor at line 256 column 256 and asking the terminal toP > return the current cursor position (in the hopes that it returns the rightmost; > and bottom most position on the screen: eg: screen size).o > M > you can override those settings with SET TERM/PAGE=24/WIDTH=80 for instance / > (or larger numbers if your window is bigger).r  D Since i'm an old DEC customer (1980, VMS 1.5) you will understand my preferences.C I'm using LK46W keyboard on my Linux box. Connecting to VMS, Tru64,u Irix, Linux.E On VMS using TPU/EDT, on others Xemacs with TPU emulation. Everythingd works flawlesly.< And believe me, Fred Kleinsorge knows what is talking about.   This my .Xmodmap ---------------- !zH ! This is an `xmodmap' input file for Digital LK450 (XFree86) keyboards.A ! Automatically generated on Wed Oct 18 21:43:08 2000 by bob with>A ! XKeyCaps 2.46; Copyright (c) 1999 Jamie Zawinski <jwz@jwz.org>.  ! http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/ !h( ! This file makes the following changes: !e$ ! The "F1 Hold" key generates Escape- ! The "F13 Er Line Rub Wrd" key generates F13 , ! The "F14 Insert/Ovrstke" key generates F14 ! The "Help" key generates Help   ! The "Do" key generates Execute ! The "F17" key generates F17 # ! The "F18 PrtSc" key generates F18e? ! The "F19 Scroll Lock" key generates F19, and has no modifiersa# ! The "F20 Pause" key generates F20w. ! The "Esc" key generates grave and asciitilde5 ! The "PF1" key generates KP_F1, and has no modifierse ! The "PF2" key generates KP_F2i ! The "PF3" key generates KP_F3e ! The "PF4" key generates KP_F4t* ! The "~ `" key generates less and greater   keycode 0x43 =  Escape keycode 0x44 =  F2 keycode 0x45 =  F3 keycode 0x46 =  F4 keycode 0x47 =  F5 keycode 0x48 =  F6 keycode 0x49 =  F7 keycode 0x4A =  F8 keycode 0x4B =  F9 keycode 0x4C =  F10a keycode 0x5F =  F11- keycode 0x60 =  F12- keycode 0x76 =  F13- keycode 0x77 =  F14- keycode 0x78 =  Help keycode 0x79 =  Execute- keycode 0x7A =  F17. keycode 0x6F =  F18- keycode 0x4E =  F19- keycode 0x6E =  F20-* keycode 0x09 =  grave           asciitilde& keycode 0x0A =  1               exclam" keycode 0x0B =  2               at* keycode 0x0C =  3               numbersign& keycode 0x0D =  4               dollar' keycode 0x0E =  5               percent"+ keycode 0x0F =  6               asciicircumE) keycode 0x10 =  7               ampersandt( keycode 0x11 =  8               asterisk) keycode 0x12 =  9               parenleftt* keycode 0x13 =  0               parenright* keycode 0x14 =  minus           underscore$ keycode 0x15 =  equal           plus keycode 0x16 =  BackSpacem keycode 0x61 =  Home keycode 0x6A =  Insert keycode 0x6B =  Delete keycode 0x4D =  KP_F1m keycode 0x70 =  KP_F2i keycode 0x3F =  KP_F3s keycode 0x52 =  KP_F4L, keycode 0x17 =  Tab             ISO_Left_Tab! keycode 0x18 =  q               Qi! keycode 0x19 =  w               We! keycode 0x1A =  e               E1! keycode 0x1B =  r               Re! keycode 0x1C =  t               T ! keycode 0x1D =  y               Ya! keycode 0x1E =  u               Uo! keycode 0x1F =  i               I ! keycode 0x20 =  o               Os! keycode 0x21 =  p               Pn) keycode 0x22 =  bracketleft     bracelefta* keycode 0x23 =  bracketright    braceright keycode 0x24 =  Return keycode 0x67 =  End1 keycode 0x63 =  Prior) keycode 0x69 =  Next$ keycode 0x4F =  KP_Home         KP_7$ keycode 0x50 =  KP_Up           KP_8$ keycode 0x51 =  KP_Prior        KP_9 keycode 0x7B =  KP_SubtractP keycode 0x25 =  Control_L  keycode 0x42 =  Caps_Lockw! keycode 0x26 =  a               A-! keycode 0x27 =  s               S2! keycode 0x28 =  d               D<! keycode 0x29 =  f               F:! keycode 0x2A =  g               GD! keycode 0x2B =  h               Hc! keycode 0x2C =  j               J ! keycode 0x2D =  k               K@! keycode 0x2E =  l               Li% keycode 0x2F =  semicolon       colonr( keycode 0x30 =  apostrophe      quotedbl# keycode 0x33 =  backslash       bare keycode 0x62 =  Up$ keycode 0x53 =  KP_Left         KP_4$ keycode 0x54 =  KP_Begin        KP_5$ keycode 0x55 =  KP_Right        KP_6 keycode 0x56 =  KP_Add keycode 0x32 =  Shift_L ' keycode 0x31 =  less            greater ! keycode 0x34 =  z               Z ! keycode 0x35 =  x               Xn! keycode 0x36 =  c               C ! keycode 0x37 =  v               Vo! keycode 0x38 =  b               B ! keycode 0x39 =  n               Nl! keycode 0x3A =  m               M $ keycode 0x3B =  comma           less' keycode 0x3C =  period          greaterd( keycode 0x3D =  slash           question keycode 0x3E =  Shift_Rt keycode 0x64 =  Left keycode 0x68 =  Down keycode 0x66 =  Rightu$ keycode 0x57 =  KP_End          KP_1$ keycode 0x58 =  KP_Down         KP_2$ keycode 0x59 =  KP_Next         KP_3 keycode 0x6C =  KP_Enter& keycode 0x40 =  Alt_L           Meta_L keycode 0x41 =  spacea& keycode 0x71 =  Alt_R           Meta_R keycode 0x6D =  Control_R8$ keycode 0x5A =  KP_Insert       KP_0* keycode 0x5B =  KP_Delete       KP_Decimal   clear Shiftt
 clear Lock
 clear Control 
 clear Mod1
 clear Mod2
 clear Mod3
 clear Mod4
 clear Mod5    add    Shift   = Shift_L Shift_R add    Lock    = Caps_Lock$ add    Control = Control_L Control_R add    Mod1    = Alt_L Alt_R -----------------------------K and this is .Xdefaults:m   !+++++ vt200& !Remove key (Delete=false Remove=true) !XTerm*deleteIsDEL: true XTerm*cutNewline: false  !XTerm*reverseWrap: true XTerm*dynamicColors:  on XTerm*titeInhibit: false XTerm*multiScroll: false !XTerm*autoWrap: false XTerm*autoWrap: true !e XTerm*termName: vt220- XTerm*decTerminalID: 220 XTerm*font: 7x14bold XTerm*visualBell: true XTerm*saveLines: 9999c XTerm*scrollBar: truez XTerm*scrollLines: 10e XTerm*rightScrollBar: true XTerm*jumpScroll: true XTerm*highlightSelection:  truee XTerm*activeIcon: true XTerm*cursorColor: red XTerm*background: white  XTerm*foreground: blackh! XTerm*pointerShape:top_left_arrow  XTerm*pointerColor: redhD XTerm*charClass: 32-35:32,36-37:48,38-41:32,42-43:48,44:32,45-126:48 XTerm*vt100*colorBDMode: on  XTerm*vt100*colorBD: DarkBlue  XTerm*vt100*colorULMode:on XTerm*vt100*colorUL: DarkRed  $ XTerm*vt100.translations: #override\*     Meta<Key>Prior: scroll-back(1,page)\n\)     Meta<Key>Next: scroll-forw(1,page)\n\a,     Meta<Key>Home: scroll-back(1000,page)\n\+     Meta<Key>End: scroll-forw(1000,page)\n\i'     Meta<Key>Up: scroll-back(1,line)\n\e)     Meta<Key>Down: scroll-forw(1,line)\n\t \n\h%     <Key>Insert: string("\033[1~")\n\ #     <Key>Home: string("\033[2~")\n\e%     <Key>Delete: string("\033[4~")\n\- \n\-"     <Key>End: string("\033[5~")\n\$     <Key>Prior: string("\033[3~")\n\#     <Key>Next: string("\033[6~")\n\B \n\a&     <Key>Num_Lock: string("\033OP")\n\'     <Key>KP_Divide: string("\033OQ")\n\6)     <Key>KP_Multiply: string("\033OR")\n\<)     <Key>KP_Subtract: string("\033OS")\n\P \n\dF     <Key>KP_0: string("\033Op")\n       <Key>KP_5: string("\033Ou")\n\F     <Key>KP_1: string("\033Oq")\n       <Key>KP_6: string("\033Ov")\n\F     <Key>KP_2: string("\033Or")\n       <Key>KP_7: string("\033Ow")\n\F     <Key>KP_3: string("\033Os")\n       <Key>KP_8: string("\033Ox")\n\F     <Key>KP_4: string("\033Ot")\n       <Key>KP_9: string("\033Oy")\n\ \n\ )     Shift<Key>KP_Add: string("\033Om")\n\m$     <Key>KP_Add: string("\033Ol")\n\(     <Key>KP_Decimal: string("\033On")\n\+     Shift<Key>KP_Enter: string("\033OM")\n\  \n\n5     Ctrl<Key>F1: string("")\n           Shift<Key>F1:  string("\033[23~")\n\j5     Ctrl<Key>F2: string("")\n           Shift<Key>F2:n string("\033[24~")\n\r5     Ctrl<Key>F3: string("")\n           Shift<Key>F3:  string("\033[25~")\n\ 5     Ctrl<Key>F4: string("")\n           Shift<Key>F4:  string("\033[26~")\n\h5     Ctrl<Key>F5: string("")\n           Shift<Key>F5:  string("\033[28~")\n\ 5     Ctrl<Key>F6: string("\033[17~")\n   Shift<Key>F6:e string("\033[29~")\n\-5     Ctrl<Key>F7: string("\033[18~")\n   Shift<Key>F7:0 string("\033[31~")\n\h5     Ctrl<Key>F8: string("\033[19~")\n   Shift<Key>F8:: string("\033[32~")\n\t5     Ctrl<Key>F9: string("\033[20~")\n   Shift<Key>F9:i string("\033[33~")\n\ 6     Ctrl<Key>F10: string("\033[21~")\n  Shift<Key>F10: string("\033[34~")\n\ 6     Ctrl<Key>F11: string("\033[23~")\n  Shift<Key>F11: string("\033[28~")\n\V6     Ctrl<Key>F12: string("\033[24~")\n  Shift<Key>F12: string("\033[29~")\n\a5     <Key>F4: insert-selection(PRIMARY,CUT_BUFFER0)\n\eH     Ctrl<Key>BackSpace:string("\010")\n <Key>BackSpace:string("\177")\n\     \n   !----- vt200   Regards, Bob     -- a@  Bob Marcan                           mailto:bob.marcan@aster.si?  Aster                                tel:    +386 (1) 5894-329.?  Nade Ovcakove 1                      fax:    +386 (1) 5894-201s@  1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia                    http://www.aster.si   ------------------------------  ! Date: Sun, 14 Apr 02 07:46:11 GMTn From: jmfbahciv@aol.com   Subject: Re: IA64 is not the VAX+ Message-ID: <a9bo2m$pd8$2@bob.news.rcn.net>y  8 In article <7te3buc2bqns7evs5ofvcgjm7foq16kbva@4ax.com>,)    Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:s5 >On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:03:44 -0500, "Fred Kleinsorge" % ><kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:b >h >>G >>I am at fault for not simply ignoring a troll message designed to do r exactlys >>this type of flame.  Bad me. >nB >You think I'm trolling. I think that making sufficicient noise is2 >what's kept VMS from being cancelled once before.   It worked once with TOPS-10. <snip>   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2002 22:41:24 -07000 From: skipper@no-spam.calweb.com (Skipper Smith) Subject: Re: Itanium troublese5 Message-ID: <slrnabi5k5.1912.skipper@web1.calweb.com>   . Bob Koehler <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote:i >In article <slrnab9rf0.1tb1.skipper@web1.calweb.com>, skipper@no-spam.calweb.com (Skipper Smith) writes:u >> eH >> The 68K was and still is absolutely big endian in every sense of byte >> ordering. >> d >hG >   Of course the follow-on PowerPC is bi-endian like most current RISCe
 >   machines.C  G Actually, most of the RISC's AREN'T truely bi-endian.  They use tricks, H mostly, to fake little endian.  The most obvious examples are those thatJ can handle mis-alignment in one endianess but can't (or have a performanceG penalty, or even incorrect behavior under certain corner conditions) ind the other endianess.    H As an exercise for the reader, design a bridge chip that can handle whatH PowerPC calls little-endian and convert it to TRUE little-endian on PCI,I handling the fact that someone could read a misaligned word value and tryoF to write it back as four independent characters...  Try not to have an2 aneurysm as a result as you strive for perfection.     -- aB Skipper Smith                         Helpful Knowledge ConsultingB Worldwide         Microprocessor       Architecture       TrainingB PowerPC, ColdFire, 68K, CPU32                Hardware and Software  B /* Remove no-spam. from the reply address to send mail directly */   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2002 15:00:01 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesi- Message-ID: <871ydi4vf2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  % Chris Morgan <cm@mihalis.net> writes:m  1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:Y  F > > This is where a solution such as PMDF or ALL-IN1/office-server can5 > > realy make a difference because they can run on acD > > disaster-tolerant cluster with all emails preserved in case of a> > > disaster. Heck, with ALL-IN-1, they can use character cellD > > terminals to access their emails until their PCs are operational > > on the new site.  F > Oh come on, the WTC disaster was unprecedented. Those towers were so= > large companies thought off-site was a different floor, thetA > basement, or the other tower. One large company I know only hadnE > backups for their WTC office somewhere other than the disaster zone.3 > due to one guy who thought he was being paranoid.s  F > Even if part of this disaster-tolerant cluster had been offsite, the= > chances are high the connectivity would have been lost too.   F They had their chance to learn from the WTC bombing. Several companiesA found them selves up the creek because the recovery site thay hadnB contracted was overflowing with *other* WTC occupants. If that wasF not enough of a wake up call for them, then I doubt anything ever will be.n   -- o< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.i@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:07:47 GMTr/ From: "Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com>n Subject: Re: Itanium troubles 6 Message-ID: <tas-81F60C.00074714042002@news.attbi.com>  @ In article <NKus8.66823$w7.5656854@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,,  "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  F > Not sure what you're saying above.  Though both may be very slightlyL > little-endian-preferring internally, Alpha and Itanic (and for that matterB > POWER4 and I think SPARC and maybe MIPS) will run either-endian.  H Read the relevant sections of the PowerPC architecture manuals sometime G and come back and tell me that PPC really runs either-endian.  :)  (It  @ will shock and horrify you if you have even an ounce of sanity.)   > Linux washM > developed primarily on little-endian machines (x86s), runs little-endian ontF > Alpha (though it might run big-endian somewhere - I don't know), andI > presumably will also run little-endian on Itanic.  Windows runs (to thee? > degree it runs at all) little-endian everywhere that it runs.n  F It's tempting to believe that this is part of why NT/PPC went down in D flames so early, rather than the more likely political reasons.  It F could not have been very nice code, running in that hideous hack of a  pseudo-LE mode.s   -- s   Timt   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2002 12:09:48 GMT* From: Casper H.S. Dik <Casper.Dik@Sun.COM> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesn* Message-ID: <a9bric$m9h$6@news1.xs4all.nl>  ( peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes:  L >I use open systems and open source software *because* they ensure long termJ >compatibility. My experience with complex proprietary integrated softwareO >systems is that they have frequent "flag days" that require the redistributioneK >of new clients to support server upgrades, new applications to support new-K >file formats, and an increasing and unnecessary support load. On the othereH >hand, I can run an open systems mail server on an operating system fromJ >1984 with a client written in 1994, and expect them to just work in 2004.  G That's exactly why I have reverted to writing documents in LaTeX ratheriD than the "office suite du jour"; at Sun, we've gone from using Frame4 almsot exclusively to Applixware and not Staroffice.  G Had I only used LaTeX from the start, my documents would have continuediB to be printable and editable not just by savingt the postscript orD whatever printable output.  LaTeX is now 17 years old judging by theG copyright in the LaTeX book and still produces documents that look much E nicer than what MS word produces.  (The latter is mainly because mostnE people don't understand layout and make a mess of it; the defaults inaD LaTeX are more sensible than most people come up with by themselves)   Casper -- -F Expressed in this posting are my opinions.  They are in no way related2 to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems.? Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and maya be fiction rather than truth.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:07:56 -0400a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Itanium troubles K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1404020807560001@1cust110.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>y  < In article <87pu13n5rf.fsf@tweety.mihalis.net>, Chris Morgan <cm@mihalis.net> wrote:g    E >Even if part of this disaster-tolerant cluster had been offsite, the < >chances are high the connectivity would have been lost too.  I If the site is lost, it doesn't matter if the connectivity to the site is B lost as well.  The remaining site(s) in the cluster can continue.   H There _were_ disaster-tolerant VMS clusters in the WTC on September 11. F The other site(s) kept working, there was no downtime, and no data wasE lost.  (Well, there would have been a cluster-transition delay, which'7 defaults to 30 seconds.) The theory worked in practice.    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2002 13:32:33 GMT From: jfc@mit.edu (John F Carr)  Subject: Re: Itanium troubles @ Message-ID: <3cb984f1$0$3934$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>  6 In article <tas-81F60C.00074714042002@news.attbi.com>,. Timothy A. Seufert <tas@mindspring.com> wrote:A >In article <NKus8.66823$w7.5656854@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,u- > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:0 >yG >> Not sure what you're saying above.  Though both may be very slightlyrM >> little-endian-preferring internally, Alpha and Itanic (and for that mattereC >> POWER4 and I think SPARC and maybe MIPS) will run either-endian.W > I >Read the relevant sections of the PowerPC architecture manuals sometime lH >and come back and tell me that PPC really runs either-endian.  :)  (It A >will shock and horrify you if you have even an ounce of sanity.)r  = The only difference I remember is that you get more alignmentu= interrupts when dealing with little-endian data in big-endiani> mode.  Was there something funny about kernel mode on a little endian system?  % Solaris ran little-endian on the PPC.e     --       John Carr (jfc@mit.edu)F   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 02 18:14:29 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)3 Subject: Re: Itanium troublesx) Message-ID: <M39zbhkzW25t@elias.decus.ch>=  W In article <a9bric$m9h$6@news1.xs4all.nl>, Casper H.S. Dik <Casper.Dik@Sun.COM> writes:e* > peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > M >>I use open systems and open source software *because* they ensure long term K >>compatibility. My experience with complex proprietary integrated softwaredP >>systems is that they have frequent "flag days" that require the redistributionL >>of new clients to support server upgrades, new applications to support newL >>file formats, and an increasing and unnecessary support load. On the otherI >>hand, I can run an open systems mail server on an operating system from K >>1984 with a client written in 1994, and expect them to just work in 2004.  > I > That's exactly why I have reverted to writing documents in LaTeX rather4F > than the "office suite du jour"; at Sun, we've gone from using Frame6 > almsot exclusively to Applixware and not Staroffice. >A  M Interesting comment, as I bought a PC 3 years ago which came with Staroffice,iK which I quickly replaced with Applixware. Not perfect at that time, but far 	 superior.t  bI > Had I only used LaTeX from the start, my documents would have continuedeD > to be printable and editable not just by savingt the postscript orF > whatever printable output.  LaTeX is now 17 years old judging by theI > copyright in the LaTeX book and still produces documents that look muchcG > nicer than what MS word produces.  (The latter is mainly because mostdG > people don't understand layout and make a mess of it; the defaults incF > LaTeX are more sensible than most people come up with by themselves) >)H Ditto, sort of. I used to enjoy using Runoff (aka DSR - Digital StandardN Runoff). Because it came as standard with every baseline VMS system, it was my? de facto standard means of writing system installation reports.c  J OK, it was only basically ASCII, but customers (who were typically used to? UPPERCASE 132 column music paper) were wowed more than 20 years ; ago by somthing called "mixed case" and "justification" :-)   H > Expressed in this posting are my opinions.  They are in no way related4 > to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems.A > Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and mayt > be fiction rather than truth.   H And if I may say so, that statement is something we would like to ask ofL another Sun employee, who unfortunately pollutes comp.os.vms. In contrast to6 his stuff, I thank you for your informed contribution.   met vriendlijke groetes (sp???)x
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2002 09:38:26 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> & Subject: Java with the WASD webserver.6 Message-ID: <20020414093826.14554.qmail@gacracker.org>  I I've got a user who is interested in using Java with the webserver I haveDK here. That's WASD v7.1. I'll do an update to the v7.2.2 version sometime in G the next week, but the user reports that similar problems to those here ' exist with Mark's demo server and Java.   B If anyone has any experience of getting Java running with the WASDC webserver I'd appreciate some information on how they got it going.d     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.neta   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2002 11:47:14 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> * Subject: Re: Java with the WASD webserver.6 Message-ID: <20020414114714.17476.qmail@gacracker.org>  G On 14 Apr 2002, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>v wrote:J >I've got a user who is interested in using Java with the webserver I haveL >here. That's WASD v7.1. I'll do an update to the v7.2.2 version sometime inH >the next week, but the user reports that similar problems to those here( >exist with Mark's demo server and Java. >IC >If anyone has any experience of getting Java running with the WASD:D >webserver I'd appreciate some information on how they got it going.  K Never mind. I did the upgrade to v7.2-2 of the WASD web server and Java nowc works.     Doc. -- u6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.netr   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2002 15:48:44 GMT From: phn@icke-reklam.ipsec.nu+ Subject: Re: learning how to use a computerU) Message-ID: <a9c8cs$f3j$6@nyheter.crt.se>T  8 In comp.os.vms Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  I > "Jonathan Thornburg" <jthorn@galileo.thp.univie.ac.at> wrote in messageH5 > news:3cb8126a$0$22188$3b214f66@news.univie.ac.at...lE >> In an article to which I have alas lost the reference, someone whoa >> I think was Ken Green, wrotetE >> > Most users want computers to work the way they want to use them.\I >> > They don't want to have to learn to work the way that is convienientt >> > for the computer. >>7 >> In article <3CB724A8.EB459F86@moene.indiv.nluug.nl>,[4 >> Toon Moene  <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> respondedJ >> | This never ceases to amaze me - back in school I spent quite a lot ofJ >> | time learning to type (i.e., to operate the typewriter the way it was >> | designed).\ >> |J >> | Now they put a TV on top of it and all of a sudden it's *not done* to >> | learn how to use them ? >> >> Toon has a very valid point.   H > No, he doesn't - because his point is (or at least appears to be) thatJ > there's little need to make computers as easy to use as possible because9 > people should be willing to learn their idiosyncracies.g  L > That's why I asked the rhetorical question about whether the typewriter heM > learned on had a mouse - a prime example of technology making *significant*yJ > efforts to make computers more approachable by non-typists but otherwiseF > absolutely redundant (in that there is, or in a well-designed system? > probably *should* be, nothing you actually need a mouse for).0  - >   In support of his point, consider another K >> gadget common in modern life, which I would argue is considerably *less* F >> complicated than a computer+software, and think about the amount of; >> training and practice it takes to operate _this_ gadget:l  J > And just as with the computer, *major* advances were made in simplifyingM > automobile operation over the years (and not just the early years, as we'retG > still in with computers):  automatic transmissions, automatic chokes, L > self-regulating fuel systems (ever balanced a pair of SU carburetors?) andL > ignition systems (remember 'points'?), automated convertible tops, poweredN > starters, horns, and windshield wipers, ...  Computers will make it possibleJ > to simplify automobile operation even more, possibly even to automate itK > fully - but doing this with the hazardous real-time system and incredibly2N > complex environment that is the realm of the automobile will require a greatE > deal more care and effort than simplifying the interface of desktop5& > computers as we currently know them.  I > When computers have been in common use for as many human generations as J > automobiles have now, expect their use to be similarly in-grained in theK > social psyche - in part because the complexity of operating them has beenX2 > reduced, and standardized, as much as practical.   > - bill  A You still have to educate every user to avoid the most dangerous rF thing's -like "do not spam", "do not klick on every link you see", "do' not run every program you are pffered".   : Why should education to get the most of e-mail be wrong ??       -- t Peter Hkanson         tK         IPSec  Sverige      (At the Riverside of Gothenburg, home of Volvo)iJ            Sorry about my e-mail address, but i'm trying to keep spam out.& 	   Remove "icke-reklam" and it works.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:28:03 GMT-* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: learning how to use a computer)A Message-ID: <D_iu8.37073$GS6.3718556@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>p  + <phn@icke-reklam.ipsec.nu> wrote in messagec# news:a9c8cs$f3j$6@nyheter.crt.se...s   ...f  B > You still have to educate every user to avoid the most dangerousH > thing's -like "do not spam", "do not klick on every link you see", "do) > not run every program you are pffered".h > < > Why should education to get the most of e-mail be wrong ??  H There's nothing wrong with educating people to get the best use out of aF well-designed tool.  What's wrong is thinking that there's no point inJ designing the tool well because users can always be taught to adapt to its foibles.  K IIRC this discussion began on the topic of using hard-link-style mechanismsiL to avoid major space waste with bulk mailing of large email attachments.  ItG was suggested, I believe incorrectly, that there was no reason to do so J because users should just be educated not to keep such attachments around,K or to provide pointers to central locations rather than attach large items.t  E The first suggestion is tantamount to saying that no software has anytK impetus to operate efficiently because users can be educated to work aroundlG any problems - which may be Microsoft's attitude but is not one I agree L with.  The second suggestion  1) forces users outside their mail environmentI to view such referenced objects,  2) decouples the referenced object from-J the associated message (e.g., the object can disappear, which would not beL the case with the hard-link approach),  3) requires that a suitable locationI be found in which to place the referenced object, and  4) tends to exposeMH the referenced object to unrestricted view by a wider audience than thatJ targeted by the message (e.g., by Web 'bots) - all of which impede ease ofF use (after all, if such indirect references *were* easier to use, then$ people would already be using them).   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2002 10:06:27 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)G Subject: Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles) 0 Message-ID: <a9bkb3$37h$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  5 In article <a9a550$1922$1@node21.cwnet.roc.gblx.net>,h* Dennis O'Connor <dmoc@primenet.com> wrote:/ >"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote ...t: >> "Jonathan Thornburg" <jthorn@galileo.thp.univie.ac.at> 6 >> > Toon Moene  <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> respondedL >> > | This never ceases to amaze me - back in school I spent quite a lot ofL >> > | time learning to type (i.e., to operate the typewriter the way it was >> > | designed).o >> > |L >> > | Now they put a TV on top of it and all of a sudden it's *not done* to >> > | learn how to use them ? >> >! >> > Toon has a very valid point.a >> rI >> No, he doesn't - because his point is (or at least appears to be) that K >> there's little need to make computers as easy to use as possible because : >> people should be willing to learn their idiosyncracies. > B >It is the nature of all tools that the more capability they have,@ >the more you need to learn to fully exploit their capabilities. >bA >Analogy: Hammers are easy to learn to use: almost intuitive. :-)77 >But tablesaws are not, unless you only want to do onlyn5 >the most basic things with them, and even then doing0& >it _safely_ takes a bit of education. >c& >Just say no to dumbed-down computers.  C While there is some truth in this, it is less the capability of the A tool so much as the complexity of the tasks they have to perform. + Consider a knife and a lithography machine.d  > But one hallmark of good engineering design is that it makes a> complex system as easy, safe and efficient to use as possible.; Unnecessary difficulty of use is a sure sign of bad design.      Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:31:34 GMTa8 From: DJC <SPAMTRAPquisquiliae@blueyonder.co.uk.INVALID>G Subject: Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)hR Message-ID: <SPAMTRAPquisquiliae-2926FF.15313314042002@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk>  5 In article <a9a550$1922$1@node21.cwnet.roc.gblx.net>,l-  "Dennis O'Connor" <dmoc@primenet.com> wrote:o  ; > > "Jonathan Thornburg" <jthorn@galileo.thp.univie.ac.at> s7 > > > Toon Moene  <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> respondedrM > > > | Now they put a TV on top of it and all of a sudden it's *not done* toa > > > | learn how to use them ?iC > It is the nature of all tools that the more capability they have, A > the more you need to learn to fully exploit their capabilities.e > B > Analogy: Hammers are easy to learn to use: almost intuitive. :-)  H But think what a skilled panel beater can do with a hammer (or probably I any solid object that comes to hand). Any tool can be used badly, to use c6 it well requires something like a long apprenticeship.   -- n djca   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:10:15 -0400r1 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com>r& Subject: Survey on Your Alpha Hardware/ Message-ID: <ubjad3ktn5nc64@news.supernews.com>d   Hi everyoneu  F Thought this was a good idea and ergo I am requesting this information  L We are finding it quite difficult to target specific customer types with our. specials, so I thought I would ask all of you.  G If you could possibly fill in this survey I would greatly appreciate itp  * Go to www.islandco.com/specials/survey.htm    @ You will get a free Island T-Shirt on request for filling it out   Thanks   David Turner     -- Island Computers US Corp.w 2700 Gregory Streeta Savannah GA 31404u Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332r International: 001 912 447 6622t  Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 dbturner@hpaq.net  www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 06:21:21 GMTi2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: Re: TELNETSYM Errorsm+ Message-ID: <3CB9485F.6754AEED@digital.com>a  / IIRC - (vague) - check C RTL version/ECO level.h   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 4 > I still having network problems in one net segment. > with TELNETSYM printers becoming in stalled. >   > OVMS 7.1-1h1  + UCX 4.2 ECO 05 > 4 > In one right moment of disconnection I verified my > bg device in the ucx > 4 > Device_socket: bg9205      Type: STREAM      LOCAL >           REMOTE4 >                               Port:           2603 >             20010 >                               Host:     C16001 >      10.163.0.112f( >                               Service: >  >  >     RECEIVE       SEND/ >                                    Queued I/O  >           0             0_8 >        Q0LEN         0             Socket buffer bytes >           0             0r8 >        QLEN          0             Socket buffer quota >        4096          4096s7 >        QLIMIT        0             Total buffer alloce >           0             0 7 >        TIMEO         0             Total buffer limit3 >       16384         16384J8 >        ERROR         0             Buffer or I/O waits >           1             5a8 >        OOBMARK       0             Buffer or I/O drops >           0             0h2 >                                    I/O completed >           2            3966 >                                    Bytes transferred >           9          8792t >  >   Options:  REUSEADR+ >   State:    ISCONNECTED CANTSENDMORE PRIVt >   RCV Buff: WAIT >   SND Buff: None > $ > What means CANTSENDMORE status ??? > 	 > REgardsP >  > FC >  > =====l > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?1 > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax  > http://taxes.yahoo.com/    --  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------yE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.d? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*-F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------1 -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----p Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------b   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 02 11:36:20 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)d5 Subject: Re: Time to finally rename VMS back to VMS ?t) Message-ID: <5ju+r29RCA0T@elias.decus.ch>   c In article <xbEMBK5xmumE@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: ~ > In article <eHut8.48643$cN1.33941@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "David J. Wilson" <moc.sregor@nosliwjdivad> writes: >> i >> 4( >>     Isn't the "open" silent...?   ;-) > F >    Yes, but my customer still wants to know what the difference is. C >    When I'm trying to get mork work it wouldn't be a good idea toa >    just point her to the FAQ.e >       6 Noted. We took a customer to our local DEC office back2 in about 1992 for a presentation in which the name. change featured prominently. He questioned the5 presenters carefully about it and they thought he hads got the message.  3 His first words when we got into the car afterwardst0 were "So what _does_ the Open in OpenVMS mean?".  4 Once we had stopped laughing (you had to be there to2 appreciate the contortions the presenters had gone0 through), one colleague simply said "Marketing".  / It was somewhat embarrassing at the time - thisd2 customer was an extremely sharp cookie, with a big budget to boot.o   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandm   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2002 03:19:32 -0700* From: tim.kimber@citicorp.com (Tim Kimber)C Subject: Upgrade of OpenVMS from V7.2-1 to V7.2-1H1 from CD Failed. = Message-ID: <2a5fb222.0204140219.58d41ddc@posting.google.com>c   Hello,  C I upgraded OpenVMS on a DS10 from V7.2-1 to V7.2-1H1 from CD and itP> appeared not to work correctly.  Afterwards there was no TCPIPB connectivity either to the machine or from the machine despite the? interface card being correctly configured and the default routetD correctly set up as well as the relevant services configured and set- up.  Pings to the loopback address work fine.n  ! A couple of other things to note:h  = 1. The system did not do an automatic configuration reboot asi specified in the manual.D 2. DECNET OSI, TCPIP Services and Motif were not upgraded due to the! fact they were already installed.d. 3. No errors were reported during the upgrade.) 4. No errors are reported during booting.-+ 5. Version reported during boot is V7.2-1H1:  ; I am now in the process of restoring the system disk to the[ pre-upgrade state.  B Is there a single patch that will do the upgrade rather than doing
 this form CD?   > Any pointers / advice to get this solved would be appreciated.  
 Kind regards,   
 Tim Kimber tim.kimber@citicorp.comt
 +442075004395o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:08:14 +0200o From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>G Subject: Re: Upgrade of OpenVMS from V7.2-1 to V7.2-1H1 from CD Failed.n& Message-ID: <3CB9712E.9090205@home.nl>  F I don't quite understand why you want to do this. The logical upgrade F from 7.2-1 is to go to 7.2-2, since that version supersedes 7.2-1 and H 7.2-1H1. AFAIK 7.2.-2 will be the only 7.2 version supported after june H 1st.   H versions are hardware versions, designed to accomodate for new H hardware. I doubt if an 'upgrade' from 7.2-1 to 7.2-1H1 was anticipated  in the 'upgrade' procedure.1   Tim Kimber wrote:a   >Hello,> > D >I upgraded OpenVMS on a DS10 from V7.2-1 to V7.2-1H1 from CD and it? >appeared not to work correctly.  Afterwards there was no TCPIP C >connectivity either to the machine or from the machine despite theh@ >interface card being correctly configured and the default routeE >correctly set up as well as the relevant services configured and setd. >up.  Pings to the loopback address work fine. >g" >A couple of other things to note: >r> >1. The system did not do an automatic configuration reboot as >specified in the manual. E >2. DECNET OSI, TCPIP Services and Motif were not upgraded due to the " >fact they were already installed./ >3. No errors were reported during the upgrade. * >4. No errors are reported during booting., >5. Version reported during boot is V7.2-1H1 >A< >I am now in the process of restoring the system disk to the >pre-upgrade state.u >aC >Is there a single patch that will do the upgrade rather than doingv >this form CD? >o? >Any pointers / advice to get this solved would be appreciated.o >p >Kind regards, >e >Tim Kimber  >tim.kimber@citicorp.com >+442075004395 >a   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2002 08:58:49 -0700/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers)>= Subject: Re: Vista/Penril/Datability VCP 1000 Terminal Serverm= Message-ID: <754a27c1.0204140758.4eebd6cd@posting.google.com>i  e harrism@celerent.com (Matt) wrote in message news:<53b1633d.0204121145.fa5c12d@posting.google.com>...T > Hi,n > N >  Would anyone know where I can find a copy of the Install/User documentationJ > to install/configure a VCP-1000 Terminal Server? Customer is remote and ) > we have no access to his Documentation.g  E The online help for the VCP1000 is VERY good.  In practice, I haven'tsF found it necessary to use the manuals when I could get a connection to the VCP.  ) Can you remotely connect to the VCP unit?o   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2002 17:17:44 GMT+ From: Tom Leitner <tom@radar.tu-graz.ac.at>p, Subject: Re: WIreless networking + VMS/Tru641 Message-ID: <a9cdjo$1r0$1@fstgss02.tu-graz.ac.at>i  E In comp.unix.tru64 Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:a   > Peter Watkinson wrote: >> i >> Hi, >> oC >> Are there any Wireless networking cards that are compatible with 
 >> VMS/Tru64?d  ' > And you would want them for.. what?? g  H > Give a little bit of what you are trying to achieve... but to the bestA > of my knowledge, VMS/Tru64 does not support a wireless device. n  K You can always take two wireless Access Points (for instance Netgear ME102 aE come to mind) and configure them for bridging mode and voila: You gotrJ wireless networking for *ANY* computer which has got a RJ45 ethernet jack.   Tomo -- vN Dr. Tom Leitner             Dept. of Communications, Graz Univ. of Technology,K tom@radar.tu-graz.ac.at     Inffeldgasse 12, A-8010 Graz / Austria / Europei; PGP public key @ http://www.radar.tugraz.at/people/tom.htmlv   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.206 ************************