1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 20 Apr 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 218       Contents:, Re: Anyone using CHARON-VAX for development?) Re: Best DCL programm you've ever written  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures   Re: Fearless VMS Prognostication) Re: How to prevent smtp relay w/Multinet? ) Re: How to prevent smtp relay w/Multinet? > Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)> Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)> Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)) Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it + Re: Searching for DECserver 90M Boot Images & Re: TCP/IP 5.0 Configuration Questions& Re: TCP/IP 5.0 Configuration Questions, Re: Time to finally rename VMS back to VMS ?, Re: UNXSIGNAL bugcheck on virtual disk, why? Re: VAX/Alpha CI% VDDriver problems with large geometry ' Re: VMS Cluster address switching issue ( Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of life  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:49:39 +0200 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> 5 Subject: Re: Anyone using CHARON-VAX for development? / Message-ID: <3CC11D93.4050309@xs4all.nospam.nl>    Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > Keith Parris wrote:  > c >>"Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message news:<3CBF37F6.11794.142A17E9@localhost>...  >>/ >>>On 18 Apr 2002, at 9:22, Keith Parris wrote:  >>> G >>>>Why couldn't the emulator detect the special case of an instruction ! >>>>branching to its own address?  >>>>E >>>Because that could happen anywhere.  Imagine a piece of user mode  G >>>code that is executing a spinloop.  You don't want to slow down the  5 >>>emulator at the user level, only the kernel level.  >>>  >>A >>It doesn't really matter where a branch-to-self occurs, even in F >>user-mode code.  All the system would do is allow the process to eatB >>up CPU until the next quantum end anway.  Might as well have theE >>emulator let other Windows applications do work until that happens.  >>I > SRI makes it pretty clear that the system is dedicated to the emulator  F > when running and if used in production you wouldn't be using the NT < > system for anything else but running Charon...  High Ghz, G > Multi-Processor based Wintels are cheap, so if you are serious about  K > production running VMS on this, it would make no sense to skip on such a  * > inexpensive component of the equation...  C True, but this thread started with the question if anyone is using  H CHARON-VAX for development. In that case, there are distinct advantages G if you *CAN* do something besides CHARON (and your laptop doesn't heat  
 up too much).   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Apr 02 08:33:15 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 2 Subject: Re: Best DCL programm you've ever written) Message-ID: <lU61G+CLuHkK@elias.decus.ch>   T In article <3CBFFF54.DF1DB168@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:
 > Gijs wrote:  >>  C >> When was it, what does it do for you and whe can it be obtained?  > A > I guess I have to put an entry in for my PAPER.COM, a 200 block  > monstrosity that:  >  [snip]  - I suppose my contribution should be the first 7 KITINSTAL.COM I wrote, in 1984/5. My primary motivation 3 was that the previous installation procedure of our 7 software used COPY from tape. It was not only slow, but 5 prone to failure due to tape errors. 9 track 1600 bpi 7 reel tapes were the order of the day in those days, and / BACKUP's error correction saved the day on many 
 occasions.  3 There was no official documentation on how to write 3 one's own KITINSTAL.COM in those days, except for a 3 DECUS paper on the subject. In addition, DCL was so 3 slow on the VAXen available then that VMSINSTAL.COM 1 used the shortest syntax possible, making it even 6 harder to understand. Indeed the PROVIDE_FILE callback3 was so slow that I "cheated" and used my own BACKUP 3 commands to restore the VMSINSTAL savesets after .A ' directly into their target directories.   3 As a rough guide to how slow DCL was, someone later 7 changed the procedure to use PROVIDE_FILE and I saw the 6 installation time rise from 20 minutes to over an hour (a CPU bound hour).   4 More recent times: A backup procedure which ran on a3 mixed architecture cluster, dropping members out of 1 shadow sets, using BACKUP/IMAGE to defragment the 1 disks then remounting the shadow members. No test 3 systems available, this was entirely developed on a 7 highly critical production cluster. _Every_ single line 5 of the DCL had been tested* prior to going live, so I 7 was confident that I would not get called onsite on the  go-live night.  0 *except for one line. I had a GOTO skirting some3 comments, which I commented out at the last minute, 6 since I wanted the comments to show up in the log. One4 comment line was missing the ! and unfortunately the4 first word of that comment line was "the". It keeled1 over with an invalid IF-THEN-ELSE error. The (IBM 6 mainframe orientated) operators fixed that themselves,4 I didn't get called, but it serves as a good lesson.   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Apr 2002 08:10:45 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)  Subject: Re: Blade architectures0 Message-ID: <a9r7q5$qo9$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  1 In article <3cc0a4bb.216379647@news.demon.co.uk>, ) dawks <phil@notsaying.demon.co.uk> wrote: G >On 19 Apr 2002 16:41:22 GMT, nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) wrote: X >>In article <a9pgec$ed3@web.eng.baileynm.com>, peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes:5 >>|> In article <a9ojat$ee5$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, . >>|> Nick Maclaren <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:G >>|> > None of the above.  Remember that I am not referring to personal  >>|> > computers.  > A >>Yes.  The main niggle that I have is that you ARE likely to see B >>the same 'hardware' failure twice when you are using generic PCsD >>in a cluster.  And, of course, when you are doing anything unusual >>to X Windows :-) > E >It's unlikely that you'd see the same 'hardware' failure twice using D >generic pcs. No idea what doing "unusual things" to XWindows means, >sounds fun though.   A I assure you that you do, especially in the cluster market.  1 TB A of DIMMs is going to give you repeated memory errors, whether you > are using a single machine or a cluster.  And that is just one example.  D If you push X Windows to its limits, you can often get the keyboard,A mouse and screen drivers to do bizarre things.  On occasion, they D can be so bizarre as to be 'hardware' failures - such as refusing toB take note of the power-off button (on some systems) or burning outF the screen (according to a good many reports).  I doubt that MicrosoftD Windows is any better, except that it makes it harder to do anything unusual.  F >I've used PCs for many projects, mostly public safety. Misconceptions= >have to be mislaid. I wouldn't use XWindows to bath the dog.   & No.  I would recommend a large tub :-)     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Apr 2002 08:27:21 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)  Subject: Re: Blade architectures0 Message-ID: <a9r8p9$r8j$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  - In article <a9qaqj$l7g@web.eng.baileynm.com>, ' Peter da Silva <peter@abbnm.com> wrote: 1 >In article <a9phbi$dpj$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, * >Nick Maclaren <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:C >> I wasn't surprised, but I didn't make myself clear.  The trouble A >> is that the term "generic PC" is likely to mean a machine that B >> is not being used as a personal computer in many arenas!  I was, >> thinking about that scenario - see below. > I >When I say "generic PC" I mean "an intel/AMD computer of no great virtue 8 >designed to run Windows", no matter what it's used for.  D That is what I thought you meant.  But I was thinking of such things/ being used for definitely impersonal computing.   B >> Yes.  The main niggle that I have is that you ARE likely to seeC >> the same 'hardware' failure twice when you are using generic PCs  >> in a cluster. > H >A cluster is a whole different kettle of fish, but it may actually makeH >replacing a computer easier and more cost effective, especially if it'sH >dataless (which brings us back to the daft 'blade' concept... let's addF >lots of fragile hot mechanical devices to a densely packed collection: >of computers that are already too hard to cool... yummy).  G Quite.  The best thing about the blade concept is that it may encourage E designers to cut the power requirements and improve reliability.  The ? past few years have been "full speed ahead and damn the watts".   A In this context, I recommend people to look at what SGI are doing ? on the Origin 3000.  The CTO's talk at the VizSummit meeting in B Glasgow was indicating similar packing densities to blades, but in? a better engineered way.  Not immediately, of course, but soon. A Of course, the fact that the MIPS chips take very little power by ! modern standards doesn't harm :-)   A And, sorry, but I WON'T be more specific in case I stray over NDA ? by accident.  The above has been said in public by SGI, but you * will have to contact them for any details.     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2002 07:58:30 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>) Subject: Re: Fearless VMS Prognostication 5 Message-ID: <20020420075830.5899.qmail@gacracker.org>   ; On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote:  >"Terry C. Shannon" wrote: >>  L >> Imagine what it would be like if more prospective new customers knew that >> the OS existed!  
 >        ^ >      Still > H >Insert as marked above.  As part of a (non IT) class I teach, I mention> >that I'm a "data geek" to about 50 people or so every month. H >Invariably, some of them come up and we talk shop.  I typically get one >of two reactions: > > >From older IT types: "I didn't know VMS was still available." > H >From younger IT types:  "I'd heard of VMS, but didn't know it was still >available."  K I hope you point out that it is not only still available, but that there is J a Hobbyist programme for those interested in learning it. Plus, of course,C the free VMS accounts services offered by myself and Scott Squires.    http://www.thevax.org/reg.html* https://vmsbox.cjb.net/shell-accounts.html     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Apr 2002 11:01 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 2 Subject: Re: How to prevent smtp relay w/Multinet?- Message-ID: <20APR200211014384@gerg.tamu.edu>    bleau@umtof.umd.edu writes... I }In article <kO2ylmEibEaW@cpva.saic.com>, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes:  }>H }>See http://www.multinet.process.com/ftp/docs/html/admin_guide/Ch15.htmH }>for rejecting mail messages using a MULTINET:SMTP_SERVER_REJECT. file. } O }I checked the above URL and saw where open relay is mentioned, but I'm unclear O }how it would work (why the sample pattern does what it says it will do).  I'll  }have to study it more.  } N }Also, I just did a DIR MULTINET:SMTP*.* and there is no such rejection file. & }If I just create it, will it be used? }  }Lawrence Bleau    Yes.  H At least, it will if your version of Multinet is not from the stone age.H And you havn't defined the logical name MULTINET_SMTP_SERVER_REJECT_FILE to point to some other file.  G There are a couple of lines that are not in the sample on that web page D that may make it slightly clearer (I have them in my version of it),, which makes part of the file look like this:  3 ! Don't rewrite or reject any mail to "postmaster*"  ! 2 !MAIL FROM    SRC IP        RCPT TO        REJECT?2 !---------    ------        -------        -------, *             *             postmaster*    n !   G This tells you what each item is more clearly (if you use a fixed width  font when looking at it).     I also have a reminder in there:  I ! * remember: rules are processed in order and the first one that applies  !   is used, skipping the rest  A The first comment in the sample indicates this, actually. I don't B think it did a few versions back, when I first constructed mine byC copying the then current example including comments, so I added it. C It is important to remember. If you accidentally put a bad (or even E just overly general) rule in the file early on you will either reject D or accept a lot of messages that you shouldn't. Likewise, if you putF a rule at the end after the very general catch-all type rules you will. probably find that your rule is never applied.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Apr 2002 11:15 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 2 Subject: Re: How to prevent smtp relay w/Multinet?- Message-ID: <20APR200211152545@gerg.tamu.edu>   / young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes...  }	4.4 shows this:  }  }$ directory multinet:smtp*.*; } * }Directory MULTINET_COMMON_ROOT:[MULTINET] } P }SMTP_ALIASES.;1     SMTP_MAILSHR.EXE;4  SMTP_MAILSHRP.EXE;4 SMTP_RFC2789.EXE;1 4 }SMTP_SERVER.EXE;4   SMTP_SERVER_REJECT.TEMPLATE;1   }  }  }	You don't see a template?  }  }				Rob  C The template must be new in 4.4 as it isn't there in on 4.3 systems $ (and SMTP_RFC2789.EXE isn't either).   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Apr 2002 08:30:35 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)G Subject: Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles) 0 Message-ID: <a9r8vb$ril$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  - In article <a9qb7k$lsh@web.eng.baileynm.com>, ' Peter da Silva <peter@abbnm.com> wrote: 1 >In article <a9pbrv$8gq$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, * >Nick Maclaren <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:E >> I am one of the followers of Lawrence Sterne in this respect - the % >> layout is part of the information.  > I >The layout is part of the presentation. The presentation depends on what G >you're looking for in the content. So being able to easily present the I >same data different ways is useful: a table of contents and the contents H >themselves are different views of the same information, and a good userJ >interface should let you work on the document in those views or any otherB >you need. WYSIAYG editors are making my life very hard right now.  C No, that is the pre-Sterne viewpoint.  He used the layout to CONVEY F information, and got liberally flamed for it (in 18th century English,@ of course).  But his viewpoint was generally adopted, and lastedB until the recent dumbing down (c. 1970s).  Many of us are refusing> to be dumbed down.  You are free to make your own decision :-)     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:35:01 +0200 # From: Paul Sture <p_sture@decus.ch> G Subject: Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles) ( Message-ID: <3CC14452.494EC301@decus.ch>   Peter da Silva wrote:  > B > In article <4iAu8.46099$iw.4560879@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,+ > Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: O > > Apple put a great deal of serious, formal human research into designing its O > > GUI.  I'd like to see something at least as formal from anyone who suggests  > > it was faulty. > M > The highly modal dialogues, the complete lack of textual error messages for O > a huge number of common problems, the religious attraction to a single-button G > mouse and the resulting addition of a plethora of special purpose key M > combinations to replace Xerox's original context-sensitive popup menus, the N > complete lack of any attempt at a uniform key binding... and that's just off > the top of my head.  >  > D Ah. I've just bought an iBook. I have never used an Apple before, so# those comments hit a chord with me.t  D Modal dialogues: during installation, I fed it with the 3 CDs and itD insisted on making an Internet connection. The "I'll do the InternetC setup later" choice refused to let me proceed, so I duly filled out/A network details, and it sat there for 15 minutes vainly trying togH connect to the Internet. Not a chance, it wasn't physically connected toF anything :-) Hey guys, get a clue, this is a laptop, I could have beenD doing this on the train. Full screen, I've no idea how to get out of: this program, time for the reset button. Not a good start.  H Lack of textual error messages: A variety of icons try to tell me stuff,F but the User's Guide does not describe them. Oh, that book has "User'sC Guide" written in 15 different languages on the front cover, but iteE fails to tell me whether I am looking at the French or German versionw without opening it.-  H Single button mouse: I've been using 3 button mice since about 1989, andG routinely buy one as a replacement for the 2 button version which seems.E to come as standard with most PCs. With the iBook I severely miss theDE second button for context menus. I am sure I'll miss the third buttone! too (see comments below on that).F  A Uniform key binding: Yet again, the User's Guide fails to mention1H shortcut keys. It took some time to realise what was available, and I am! nowhere near memorizing them yet.   ) > and that's just off the top of my head.>  D All highly relevant to my first efforts at getting familiar with theF thing. Absolutely no instructions on how to install extra software, orE even how to close down and power off. Even searching the help doesn't,, come up with any information on that matter.  D Don't get me wrong, I am happy with my purchase, but it appears thatF Apple have fallen into the trap of thinking their interface is so good6 that they don't need to give some simple instructions.  M > Apple did a lot of things right, but a few things Microsoft did better, anda > the GUI was one of them.  G I still dislike the fact I've got to use ^C, ^X, ^V to copy highlightedc- text. The X-windows way is IMHO far superior.r __
 Paul Sture Switzerlanda   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:47:21 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>hG Subject: Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)f, Message-ID: <3CC1A9A6.1AB22EA1@videotron.ca>   Paul Sture wrote: F > Modal dialogues: during installation, I fed it with the 3 CDs and it, > insisted on making an Internet connection.  L Yes, APPLE's installation scripts are overdone. The french version of the OSL came at one point with a config that ASSUMED french (AZERTY) keyboard. FirstK dialogue forces you to enter you name, on a keyboard that doesn't match ther one you have installed !  M Out of curiosity, are VMSinstall scripts modal ???? When you play around with . the OS, modal dialogues are perhaps necessary.    J > Lack of textual error messages: A variety of icons try to tell me stuff,. > but the User's Guide does not describe them.  N The early MACs had a real userguide, as well as better help. Then again, you'dM install the OS out of a couple of diskettes only. Lots less fluff back in the M old days. But Apple seems to have cut back there big time. There even used to L be a little utility to demo all the features of the GUI and let you try eachF feature (cut/paste, changing applications etc). But that is gone too.   J > Single button mouse: I've been using 3 button mice since about 1989, andI > routinely buy one as a replacement for the 2 button version which seems,G > to come as standard with most PCs. With the iBook I severely miss thew" > second button for context menus.  N I started GUI on MACs and I have lived fine without those extra mouse buttons.N There are many places where the mac will automatically bring up the contextualK menu. (for instance, in netscape, just hold the button down for a while andiI you get the dialogue about what you want to do that that image, link etc)e  C > Uniform key binding: Yet again, the User's Guide fails to mentionnJ > shortcut keys. It took some time to realise what was available, and I am# > nowhere near memorizing them yet.r  K For applications, every shortcut is shown as part of the menus. And for thesG finder itself, there used to be a single help topic that listed all thedM shortcuts but I can't seem to find it anymore. Hadn't used the help in a longhN while and it does look inferior to what it used to be. Although if you turn on- balloon help, you get *very* contextual help.t  F > All highly relevant to my first efforts at getting familiar with theH > thing. Absolutely no instructions on how to install extra software, or' > even how to close down and power off.   G That is because it is so obvious that they didn't think it necessary toyM document it. Take the application or its folder and drag it to your hard diskd
 ! ! ! ! !   L Of course, you may want to file your applications in a "Applications" folderK on your hard drive, in which case just drag it to that folder.  More recentnJ applications just come with an installer. Usually, when the application isN unstuffed, you get a folder and in it, you'll have an "install" icon. Click on that and follow instructions.a  I > I still dislike the fact I've got to use ^C, ^X, ^V to copy highlightedo/ > text. The X-windows way is IMHO far superior.4  E The copy/paste is more "robust" than the X-windows "paste whetever iscH selected" because you don't lose the contents of the paste buffer if you select something else.  
 for instance:., in application A: select some text, copy it.N in application B: select some text, then "paste". The pasted text will replace the selected text.  Y This is the type of stuff that doesn't work on x-windows. (and that i miss on x-windows).d   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2002 22:51:45 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it- Message-ID: <87znzy8ltq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   5 Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> writes:i  0 > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:F > > 10 years later, it is the KC-10 patents that Intel have stolen for2 > > the PPro. And the MESI cache protocol I think. > ! > Got patent numbers (or titles)? I From  posts by Alan Folmsbee, to comp.arch in May '97 The last covers thecH MESI cache I think. I can't remember which one is from the KC-10 but wasH suprised that a patent from then was involved. Mind, the first refers to7 a 32081, and that is the FPU for a J-11/uV-II isn't it?o  
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 #4,755,936C Apparatus and method for providing a cache memory unit with a writeh+ operation utilizing two system clock cyclest  
 #4,847,804D Apparatus and method for data copy consistency in a multi-cache data processing unite   -- S< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.-@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:19:08 GMTn From: "McEagle" <spam@spam.com>b4 Subject: Re: Searching for DECserver 90M Boot Images? Message-ID: <gVdw8.270182$K52.40871749@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>m   Joel,a  I A quick Google search gave me this link, where you can download the filese	 you need.iL http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/patches/Readmes/macintosh/naeco02022.RE ADME  
 Michael Lynch   < "Joel A. Perison" <jperison@mindspring.com> wrote in message7 news:7f004536.0204192128.7bf52e38@posting.google.com...t > Hi,  >sD > I'm looking for either MNENG2 or MNENG3 (I would prefer this one).C > Any assistance in finding copies of these images would be greatlyY > appreciated. >e > Thank you, > Joel >A   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2002 08:09:27 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>/ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0 Configuration Questionsa5 Message-ID: <20020420080927.6437.qmail@gacracker.org>f  F On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, tauberg@nauticom.no_spam_please.net (Jim Tauberg) wrote: >Hi,? >	I've installed OpenVMS 7.2 from the Hobbyist CD and have alsoyE >installed MOTIF and am now working on the TCP/IP 5.0 from the cd.  IyB >installed it and ran the configuration utility and configured theF >interface under Core Environment.  I've been able to Ping myself (hey. >baby) and the other machines on this network. >dC >I'm trying to configure the system to reach the internet through ao> >gateway (dsl router) on my network and also to set up the DNS >entries...u >t= >I took a look through the manual and have tried things like:t >l >s9 >SET NAME_SERVICE /SERVER=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx /ENABLE /SYSTEMr > . >but this returns:  REQUIRES TCP-IP-CLIENT PAK > . >What is the client pak and where do I get it?  E You probably need to go back to the Montagar site and get the layeredyE product licenses. You'll find a license for TCP/IP services in there.   E The other alternative is the Multinet IP stack, they also offer theira' package through the Hobbyist programme.e  , http://www.process.com/openvms/hobbyist.html  @ >What commands will I need to set my default gateway and my dns?  K That, I'm afraid, I can't help you with - I only know the administration of2	 Multinet.0     Doc. -- o6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.neta   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:41:46 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>/ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0 Configuration Questionsc, Message-ID: <3CC18C3A.2090004@tsoft-inc.com>   Jim Tauberg wrote:   > Hi,r@ > 	I've installed OpenVMS 7.2 from the Hobbyist CD and have alsoF > installed MOTIF and am now working on the TCP/IP 5.0 from the cd.  IC > installed it and ran the configuration utility and configured theoG > interface under Core Environment.  I've been able to Ping myself (heya/ > baby) and the other machines on this network.r > D > I'm trying to configure the system to reach the internet through a? > gateway (dsl router) on my network and also to set up the DNSb > entries... > > > I took a look through the manual and have tried things like: >  > : > SET NAME_SERVICE /SERVER=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx /ENABLE /SYSTEM > / > but this returns:  REQUIRES TCP-IP-CLIENT PAKa > / > What is the client pak and where do I get it?t > A > What commands will I need to set my default gateway and my dns?  >  > Thanks in advance,
 > Jim Tauberg- > tauberg@no_spam.nauticom.net  q First, understand that the following is from someone who still isn't sure what he's doing when configuring TCPIP.i    P When using TCPIP$CONFIG.COM you can enable GATED routing (I think that's what's B it's called.  Then you will have to set up the configuration file L [TCPIP$GATED]TCPIP$GATED.CONF for your site and gateway.  This works for me.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:50:14 +0200 # From: Paul Sture <p_sture@decus.ch>w5 Subject: Re: Time to finally rename VMS back to VMS ? ( Message-ID: <3CC147E6.49B985A6@decus.ch>   JF Mezei wrote:d >  > Paul Sture wrote:y' > > >> ftp://80.254.165.138/mil_bug.gifU > > >> (animated GIF - 77KB) > ; > When I tried the above yesterday on netscape,  it failed.  >  > However, I was able to:t >  >  ftp://80.254.165.138o > L > which displayed that one file and then clicking on the file, I was able to
 > view it.  E Strange. I viewed it successfully from work (Netscape 3.03 on VMS andoG Netscape 4.77 on NT) by clicking on ftp://80.254.165.138/mil_bug.gif iniH my original message, or feeding that into the url box. Both gave a blank4 directory listing when entered without the filename.  F I've just downloaded the latest version of HGFTP, so I'll try that out next.- __
 Paul Sture Switzerland-   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:12:51 -0400s' From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> 5 Subject: Re: UNXSIGNAL bugcheck on virtual disk, why? ' Message-ID: <3CC16953.A3F05939@gce.com>   O The problem is that when the code to compute fake geometry in asnvd was written,P 10 years or so ago, I assumed that where a 1-trk/cyl 1-sect/trk N cylinder modelQ overflowed, that a model with 32 tracks and 32 sectors /trk and N cylinders would Q suffice without wasting too much space.  When putting code in DKdriver some yearsmS later I was more careful and had a fallback of 96 trk/cyl and 96 sectors/trk, and a " fallback to that with 255 and 255.  H The code is simple but needs to be in asnvd so that it will create legalJ geometries for such large disks. The code is simple to do; problem is thatP if your cylinder count exceeds 16 bits, you have to find divisors that will make  things fit in the UCB structure.  R Obviously I need to repackage versions like this. Biggest virtual disk I have usedS to here was 4 gigs, and the problem doesn't surface till you get over about 32 gigsb virtual disk size.   Glenn Everhart     Lawrence Bleau wrote:: > Y > In article <3CBFA6F2.6020705@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:. > > O > >Possibly the large drive is causing a longword overflow in VDDRIVER?  Just a., > >guess, and no real effort to do the math. > O > Very much just a guess, Dave, I'd hoped for more than that, though.  The 50gbtP > partition I created has a bit over 97 million blocks.  VDDRIVER has a longword: > each to hold starting block number and size (in blocks). >  > $ a=97000000
 > $ sho sym a:6 >   A = 97000000   Hex = 05C81A40  Octal = 00562015100 > K > As you can see, this is well under 32 bits; only 27, aamof.  In fact, thew3 > entire huge 180gb disk has a bit over 354M blockso >  > $ a=354000000l
 > $ sho sym a@7 >   A = 354000000   Hex = 15199C80  Octal = 02506316200. > P > Even this is well under the limit.  More insightful responses are appreciated. > P > I've communicated with the driver's author, btw, and he's on a lead: somethingM > about sectors*cylindars*tracks not being the same as total # blocks.  If helD > gives me a patch and that fixes the problem I'll report that here. >  > Lawrence Bleau > University of Maryland$ > Physics Dept., Space Physics Group > 301-405-6223 > bleau@umtof.umd.edue   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2002 23:03:53 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha CIr- Message-ID: <87vgam8l9i.fsf@prep.synonet.com>E  / jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) writes:n  H > If you can get me the part numbers, that would be wonderful.  Also, ifF > you can part with the cables, I would pay for them.  You're in K-ZooE > right?  How about the HSJ40s?  It appears that you can only run six)H > 350 racks for each pair.  I have ten racks.  I still have read more of > the documentation.  oK BNCI-<length> A BNCI-10 is a  17-01456-02 The coax is stamped 1748, DEC P/N2 17-00248-01 rev D4  # > Anyone have SC and/or HSJ40 docs?-  I For a SC? As long as: NEVER earth it, either DC or AC. Your CI will go to@E shite if you do, and no more than *ONE* unterminated TNC on each halfu of the SC at a time.  G If you need to change the number of port by swapping the jumper co-axeseF around, then I can see if I can dig the SC manual out of the wreckage.  " HSJ manuals I don't have, sorry...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.l@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:18:26 -0400a' From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com>t. Subject: VDDriver problems with large geometry' Message-ID: <3CC178B2.5C438278@gce.com>t  K The geometry calculation code in ASNVD is quite old, and overflows at about 
 32 gigabytes.j  K I have coded somewhat inelegantly the modification to ASNVD_64.mar which isaH distributed in the vdd64.zip  file generally. I'll get this all onto the next sigtapes.  U For those in need of VD units of such size the new code is below, inserted after some K existing code which I'll leave in for purposes of helping you find where to  put it.  Glenn Everhart     685$:g ; Add other checks here.H ; Make geometry like mdan: disks, that is, 32 sectors and 32 tracks/cyl.G ; unless /sec64 switch was set. This facilitates random use as a switchF/ ; over from md: type disks. Note 32 * 32 = 1024p9         MOVL    HSTFSZ,R0               ;;; GET HOST SIZEkO         ASHL    #-10,R0,R0              ;;; GET # CYLINDERS IN SIZE NOW as #/10r 4GG         MOVW    R0,UCB$W_CYLINDERS(R1)  ;;; SAVE IN UCB FOR REST OF VMS O         bicl2   #1023,ucb$l_maxblock(r1)        ;ensure even number of cylinder =         movb    #32,ucb$b_sectors(r1)   ;set 32 sectors/track ?         movb    #32,ucb$b_tracks(r1)    ;and 32 tracks/cylinder1 ;,1 ; new 4/20/2002 below 685$: label in asnvd_64.marb ;o? ; For disks over about 32 gigs the 32 by 32 by N will overflow.h+ ; Thus try 96 by 96 by N or 255 by 255 by No% ; note R0 still has shifted cylinderseG         cmpl    r0,#65535               ; does cyl count fit in a word?:=         blequ   684$                    ; if so, all done nowIC ; VD unit is too big for 32 by 32 by N so we must try larger sectorr( ; and track counts to get things to fit.B         cmpl    hstfsz,#<65534*96*96>   ; does a 96x96xN geom fit?=         bgequ   7684$                   ; no, test bigger onen         ; yes, Compute things..e%         movb    #96,ucb$b_sectors(r1)o$         movb    #96,ucb$b_tracks(r1), ; compute geometry as it is done in dkdriver 40684$: pushl   r11 O         movl    r1,r11          ; need a UCB pointer where EDIV will leave alon          pushl   r0         pushl   r1         pushl   r2C         pushl   r3              ; be real sure regs are left intacth$         movzbl  ucb$b_tracks(r11),r1%         movzbl  ucb$b_sectors(r11),r0 0         mull    r1,r0           ; blocks per cyl2         movl    hstfsz,r1       ; number of blocks4         clrl    r2              ; prepare for divide?         ediv    r0,r1,r0,r1     ; get number of cylinders to r001         tstl    r1              ; remainder zero?h         beql    40685$N         incl    r0              ;no, bump count trk*sect*cyl must be >= maxblk' 40685$: movw    r0,ucb$w_cylinders(r11)  ; pop registers back and scram         popl    r3         popl    r2         popl    r1         popl    r0         popl    r11s)         brw     684$            ; done...v 7684$:6 ; if we got here all we can do is set up for 255x255xN&         movb    #255,ucb$b_sectors(r1)%         movb    #255,ucb$b_tracks(r1)b6         brw     40684$          ; go compute cylindersP ;;      brb     684$                            ;This is the "large disk" defaul t P ;                                               ;unless /sec64 sets 64 sect geom .a 6841$:4 ; If here, we are using the 64 sector/track geometryP         bicl2   #63,ucb$l_maxblock(r1)          ;make disk size a multiple of se ct/trk 684$:,         movl    #8,vdprogo   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:23:13 +0200p( From: Rainer Lehrig <lehrig@t-online.de>0 Subject: Re: VMS Cluster address switching issue+ Message-ID: <3CC16BC1.BD596516@t-online.de>a  & Yes we use Compaq TCP/IP Services V5.0   David Beatty schrieb:e > E >     Just out of curiousity, is there any reason you are not running1: > the cluster alias under Compaq TCP/IP Services V5.0?  If> > my memory serves me correctly, V4.2 is not supported on V7.2 > and higher of VMS. >  > David R. Beattyb o   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Apr 02 12:37:05 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)r1 Subject: Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of lifeg) Message-ID: <bZDzM452JZjV@elias.decus.ch>   7 In article <ya4w8.432$mc.21765@eagle.america.net>, "dele" cecchi" <dcecchi@msn.com> writes:   J > I don't normally post to this group, except by accident as a side effectJ > of crossposts, but I thought you all might be interested in the spamming > I received from  >  m >  o >r Tony Shadrake  > Regional Sales Manager t > Attunity, Inc. > tony.shadrake@attunity.com s > 781-359-3587 Office  >l www.attunity.com   >  gH > Something about VMS and the internet.  Perhaps you folk would care to H > tell him that spam is a bad idea.  I presume he got my email off this 	 > group. u >   3 I'll just add that if downloading the documentationv7 from their website to find out what the product is, yous6 need to fill out contact details. I gave genuine ones.  9 I regretted that shortly after, as the marketing directorv6 of Europe, no less, was pestering me to arrange a demo) before I'd had chance to read the stuff. n   I politely stalled him.T   He pestered again.  / By some strange coincidence I had suddenly been , transferred to a new project (cough) and the6 documentation inexplicably deleted before I'd finished reading it :-)   __   Paul Sture   Switzerlandr   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.218 ************************