1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 21 Apr 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 220       Contents: $QIO and SYSPRV  Re: $QIO and SYSPRV P Re: auto wiring - was learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)- RE: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium! - RE: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium!  Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles/ RE: Leak with Apache / Compaq Secure Web Server > Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)4 Manual/Diagrams on how to access interior of XP-1000 Re: Mime hole virus  Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist License Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist License Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist License0 Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!0 Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!2 Re: Problems writing blank tape in TZ86 tape drive. Some Lite Reading from SKC and www.openvms.orgE Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64 E RE: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64  Re: VAX/Alpha CI Re: VAX/Alpha CI( Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of life( Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of life( Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of life( Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of life( Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of life( Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of life( Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of life RE: VMS versus IBM2 XP1000 does not recognize Compaq memory in  Bank 1  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:14:05 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>  Subject: $QIO and SYSPRV. Message-ID: <3CC2EC55.7060304@wasd.vsm.com.au>  I A hopefully quick question about the $QIO system service and an extended   privilege, for example SYSPRV.  I When having enabled an installed image's SYSPRV to allow the creation of  ? a file in an otherwise protected directory, do I have to force  F synchronous completion to avoid the risk of an AST routine (obviously L not shown in the code snippet supplied) being activated with SYSPRV enabled.       EnableSysPrv(); -     tkptr->AccessFab.fab$l_fop &= ~FAB$M_ASY; 2     status = sys$create (&tkptr->AccessFab, 0, 0);     DisableSysPrv();  E Answers in the context of AST-enabled non-AST delivery execution, as  H well as user-mode AST delivery execution would be helpful.  It would be H useful to be able to enable SYSPRV and queue an asynchronous completion D $QIO then disable SYSPRV without giving the AST routine any thought.  D I think I've used a construct inherited from some development years > earlier without giving it much thought (until this afternoon).   As always, TIA.   F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaide F   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:39:52 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>  Subject: Re: $QIO and SYSPRV/ Message-ID: <3CC2F260.EDB04A8B@wasd.vsm.com.au>   ? I should have added; I'm curious about whether it's possible to E generalize about when the requirements for a particular privilege are D determined by the $QIO subsystem; during the initial queuing, duringC asynchronous processing, both depending on the driver?  The obvious D reason is to determine "how long" the extended privilege needs to beD enabled, which also feeds into whether the privilege can be disabled+ immediately following an asynchronous $QIO.    Mark Daniel wrote:J > A hopefully quick question about the $QIO system service and an extended  > privilege, for example SYSPRV.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:54:52 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> Y Subject: Re: auto wiring - was learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles) * Message-ID: <3CC2EEC7.8050609@qsl.network>   Douglas Siebert wrote: > G > Automakers are going to change the electrical system from 12 volts to F > 42 volts to power all the additional stuff they are adding.  There'sI > even talk about running fibre optics through cars in the future to meet I > data requirements down the road for more advanced systems.  And at that B > time, yes, you'll probably have an ethernet port under the hood.  D Actually the change in electrical system is not mainly to power the  additional stuff.   H They are looking to simplify manufacturing and parts count by moving to ) a bus stucture instead of separate wires.   H 48 Volts was not chosen for additional power, it was chosen because the ; higher the voltage for a given load, the lower the current.   : Lower current means that smaller wires can be safely used.  G The automobile is a harsh environment, the planned use of fiber optics  3 is mainly because of it's relative immunity to EMI.   2 and I am not sure where this technology is in the " design/testing/regulatory process.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:47:25 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> 6 Subject: RE: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium!T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D8ECA@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Bill,   C >>> I rather suspect Andrew was looking for something that actually F entailed a head-to-head comparison between GS systems and high-end SunC systems - you know, one with actual performance *numbers* one could 
 compare.<<  D Well, Andrew likes to stress real world stuff and asked for examplesE where Alpha is used for commercial type workloads and that's what the  links provided.=20  E While performance numbers are important for some Customers, there are E also lots around that want to know "who else is using this solution?"    Regards,=20   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----2 From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20 Sent: April 20, 2002 7:15 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 Subject: Re: I was right! Alpha will live in Itanium!       6 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> wrote in messageH news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1E98@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp. net. .  Andrew,   @ >>> If you can come up with examples of where large Alpha serverG performance is better for commercial type workloads (Alpha Servers main D market) then please do so. By Commercial type workloads I mean OLTP,8 DSS, Apps Servers etc. By large I mean 8 CPU's or above.< GS80/GS160/GS320 or go back to GS140/8400 if you have to.<<<   If not put up or shut up.<<<   Ok, how about these ?     / < Alpha 'success story' style verbiage snipped>   H I rather suspect Andrew was looking for something that actually entailedG a head-to-head comparison between GS systems and high-end Sun systems - B you know, one with actual performance *numbers* one could compare.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:51:24 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> 6 Subject: RE: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium!T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D8ECB@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew,   F >>> Sort of the ecache fix didn't involve disabling it instead we have6 introduced a new module which has a mirrored ecache.<<  B Its good to hear that the ecc cache issue was finally resolved.=20  C Just curious, is this new module available for free to all existing & UE10K Customers that have the problem?   Thx,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 6 [mailto:andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com]=20 Sent: April 16, 2002 4:59 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 Subject: Re: I was right! Alpha will live in Itanium!          Bill Todd wrote:  ? > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message=20 ( > news:3CBB15E6.3F7B6799@videotron.ca... >=20* >>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >>8 >>>I have repeatedly given examples of how the GS seriesJ >>>are not competitive based on Compaqs own public, published benchmark=20 >>>results for the boxes.  >>>  >>F >>Andrew, did Sun ever fix the problem with its memory going bezerk=20B >>under certain circumstances (aka: all those ebay problems for=20
 >>instance) ?  >> >=20J > Yes, IIRC they did - by disabling the cache in the affected series of=20E > products, and by recently issuing a new series without the cache=20 
 > problem. >=20    B Sort of the ecache fix didn't involve disabling it instead we have4 introduced a new module which has a mirrored ecache.  A Turning the L2 cache off on a Ultra II would have had dissaterous  effects on performance.    Regards  Andrew Harrison      >  If so, is >=20; >>it still fair to say that Sun has very bad memory today ?  >> >=20E > It would be if they were criticizing others for the same type of=20 / > problem, but AFAICT that's not the case here.  >=20 >=20E >>In the same vein, has Digital fixed some of the initial performance  >>
 > problems >=20 >>in the wildfires ? >> >=20F > Not to my knowledge:  I haven't seen any indication that Wildfire=200 > memory access latencies have improved, anyway. >=209 >  If so, is it still fair to say that they don't perform  >=20B >>properly today ? And when you consider the upcoming EV7 based=20@ >>wildfires (marvel), will the new wildfires really perform ???? >> >=20H > They won't be Wildfires, but Marvels.  And while they well may blow=20I > everyone's socks off, they aren't yet available nor do they have any=20 > > real bearing on the comments being made about the GS series. >=20 >=20J >>It is very easy to use older statistics to show a competitor is weak.=20 >>But  >> > it >=20I >>will come back to hurt you because when the customer checks and gets=20 I >>the updated statistics from the other vendor, he will see through to=20  >>tactic >> > and  >=20) >>that gives you negative brownie points.  >> >=20H > You appear to be confusing currently-available products with future=20F > ones (Rob has this problem as well).  While I suspect Marvel will=20H > indeed turn out to be everything that Wildfire was not, using Wildfire  H > statistics is not 'using older statatistics' yet:  they're the most=20# > up-to-date information available.  >=20 >=20H >>You can hammer Digital/Compaq/HP all you want about VMS's costs and=20 >>lack >> > of >=20H >>marketing and lack of visible future. That is plenty to steer clear of  J >>Digital/Compaq/HP/whatever. But on a performance basis, are you ready=20 >>to >> > state  >=20D >>that a bunch of separate Sun boxes, connected by wathever, will=20 >>outperform >> > a  >=20+ >>wildfire with same number of processors ?  >> >=20B > Why do you want to compare a bunch of Sun boxes with a single=20C > Wildfire? IIRC Sun sells single boxes with more than twice the=20 + > processors a single Wildfire can contain.  >=20I > A single Sun E10K box (with its cache turned off) may well not match=20 E > the performance of a Wildfire with the same number of processors=20 H > (though it might if the cache could be used, and some lesser Sun boxes  I > that don't have the same cache problem might too).  My impression is=20 G > that a single Sun E15K box may well outperform a Wildfire with the=20 I > same number of processors, but it would be interesting to see actual=20 
 > numbers. >=20 > - bill >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:34:53 +0000 (UTC) / From: Sander Vesik <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee>  Subject: Re: Itanium troubles 3 Message-ID: <1019403293.571761@haldjas.folklore.ee>   4 In comp.arch bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com> wrote:2 > In article <a8u74s$l2m$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>,+ > Nick Maclaren <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:  > F > | It isn't really cost-effective to buy a unique system for a singleE > | application, outside HPC, process control and similar areas.  You D > | don't need everything, but you do need enough range to cover theC > | requirements of a target market.  Hence 3 months - if it were a G > | complete range of software I wwas referring to, that 3 would be 12.  > E >  If I can replace three racks of Xeon mail servers with one rack of G > Itanium, given that the systems and o/s have reached a reliable state I > and the hardware cost is right, why would I not replace? In real estate   H Well, the problem is that by the time the itanium and OSs runninhg on itK is that stable, you will in all likelyhood have replaced the three racks of I xeons by two racks of sledgehammers and then expanded that to four racks.    > H >  The organization with a small number of servers isn't going to find aI > saving, but the one with a server farm would like to till less acreage.  > E >  I see no reason to think Itanium is at or near that point, but for I > server farms, and single application saving could be in 7-8 digits. The F > applications I see in farms are database, web service, DNS, mail andH > usenet. And maybe computational clusters as well, that's not my thing. >   F Well, this assumes that itanium can do it - sledge and clawhammer look% more likely candidates at the moment.  --   	Sander    +++ Out of cheese error +++    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:07:10 +0000 (UTC) / From: Sander Vesik <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee>  Subject: Re: Itanium troubles 3 Message-ID: <1019405229.877747@haldjas.folklore.ee>   4 In comp.arch Maynard Handley <name99@mac.com> wrote: > 1 > There seems to be a general UNIX attitude that  I > (a) anyone who wants to use anything other than UNIX is, ipso facto, an  > idiot and K > (b) that anyone who wants to do anything other than the UNIX way is, ispo  > facto, an idiot and K > (c) that gee wouldn't it be nice if everyone switched to UNIX rather than  > use Windows.  E This may well be true but is entirely besides the point - sclability  I (and reliability for that matter) is not one of exchange's strong points.    > H > You'd think a bunch of geeks who are supposed to be so smart could seeF > that these three viewpoints are mutually contradictory. Or are geeksK > really so stupid that they are unaware that the rest of the world is full 2 > of people with different motivations from geeks?  D Most of them seem to be happy as long as one of those motivations is "hire more geeks".   > 	 > Maynard  >  >  >  >> JF Mezei wrote: >>   >> > David Froble wrote: >> >  I >> >>Why on earth would anyone with any significant workload use Exchange 
 > -- for mail 
 >> >>servers?  >> >>  >> >  H >> > Because they made a commitment to evil Bill to do so, cannabalising > their own 7 >> > more profitable product just to please Bill Gates.  >>   >>  N >> So, you're implying that the majority of today's computer users are stupid? >>   >>  H >> > Because some manager decided that the company should standardize on > Microsoft J >> > because that was sure to survive while other products don't have such
 > a bright
 >> > future ?  >>   >>  9 >> Well, 'some manager' is doing his part to insure that.  >>   >>  K >> > Because some manager decided to standardize on microsoft because it is 	 > easy to L >> > find microsoft weenies to operate your servers, whereas if you buy some5 >> > proprietary system, it is harder to find people.  >>   >>  O >> People can learn whatever the job requires.  There aint no such thing as an  N >> already trained employee, regardless of what managers wish for.  There are I >> skills, but the employee still must learn the business of the company,  > or, he's   >> not helping the company.  >>  H >> A few years back people were putting their resumes on Monster.COM, or > wherever, C >> and playing musical jobs, like we played musical chairs as young  > children.  It'd P >> be interesting to see which segment, such as windoz, of the job seekers were E >> most mobile.  What good is finding someone that you cannot retain?  >>  N >> Finding people wouldn't be such an issue if you weren't running such labor  >> intensive systems.2 >>   >>  K >> > The list of reasons can be long. The fact that Microsoft maintains its I >> > monopoly is an indication that product quality isn't so important as  > following 3 >> > the trend to make sure you're not left behind.l >> > I >> mQ >> Don't think.  Just follow the crowd.  Hey, that's how the Lemmings do it, the rQ >> whole bunch follow each other off the clift into the ocean, if I remember the   >> story correctly.  >> t/ >> I think my original question is still valid.n >> t >> Davei   --   	Sander0   +++ Out of cheese error +++n   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:23:48 +0000 (UTC) / From: Sander Vesik <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee>  Subject: Re: Itanium troublesg3 Message-ID: <1019409828.438268@haldjas.folklore.ee>T  2 In comp.arch Ketil Malde <ketil+@ii.uib.no> wrote:9 > "Tarjei T. Jensen" <tarjei.jensen@kvaerner.com> writes:  > O >> I have just installed FreeBSD 4.5 and reading the manual pages and web pages J >> it becomes quite clear that these people simply do not get it. They areL >> unable to think product and think like a user would (user = non fanaticalO >> devotee). I wonder if I should use the word inept or incompetent to describew >> the effort involved.  >  > How about "disinterested"?  I Also, FreeBSD was for a long time something a large set of its developers G though of as a server - and not desktop - OS. Thus something that needs-H to be reliable, fast, maintainable, but not necessarily something peopleK best described as "end users" would interact with directly. It did and doesVK a good job being that, but the "not for end users" effects are still there.n   > G > I mean, why do you expect people to think "product" -- that is, solve.H > problems for end users who are unwilling to solve them for themselves,* > when there's no motivation for doing so? >   E AFAIK, nobody is making a productised "FreeBSD desktop" - so no, thisT2 just doesn't happen (yes, it is imho unfortunate).  G > (I'm really amazed at the level of support available through internet D > channels from people who really have very little to gain from it.) >  > -kzm   -- , 	Sander    +++ Out of cheese error +++t   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:25:30 +0000 (UTC) / From: Sander Vesik <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee>  Subject: Re: Itanium troublesY3 Message-ID: <1019409930.760074@haldjas.folklore.ee>   A In comp.arch Tarjei T. Jensen <tarjei.jensen@kvaerner.com> wrote:  >  > "Ketil MaldeH >> I mean, why do you expect people to think "product" -- that is, solveI >> problems for end users who are unwilling to solve them for themselves,-+ >> when there's no motivation for doing so?- > K > If I think product, I solve the problem before it occurs. That saves me alN > lot of time since I don't have to explain my mistakes over and over again toM > people. And I save a lot of time for those people as well since they do not-J > have to spend a lot of time trying to solve a problem which should never > have been. > I > Reading books on usability should be a requirement for all programmers.. >   E Having a clue about how FreeBSD and similar projects happen should betA compulsory, so nobody would ever say something as stupid as that.g   >  > greetings, >    -- s 	Sander    +++ Out of cheese error +++i   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:29:03 +0000 (UTC)i/ From: Sander Vesik <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee>n Subject: Re: Itanium troubles 3 Message-ID: <1019410143.464831@haldjas.folklore.ee>e  A In comp.arch Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com> wrote:o
 > hack wrote:u > [snip]M >> could understand.  I agree with the main point, that you should be able to Q >> print what you see on the screen.  I.o.w., the "Print Screen" key should work! O >> That too should be provided independently of the application -- and might beoP >> augmented by a "print view" function, also below the application itself, in aM >> window manager perhaps.  Again, in principle unrelated to Unix vs Windows.t > C > This is more or less what the Print Screen key does, by capturingu% > everything currently on the screen.l > B > Alt + PrintScreen does the same, but only for the active window. > G > To actually print this, you'll have to paste it into some rudimentary > > graphics program which can then send it to printer you want.  F I guess the point is all about finding these magic keystrokes and thenK (no feedback is produced about this, after all) knowing to paste this into  G an app to print. Oh, and you might just have destroyed the work you hadt on the clipboard...l   >  > Terjec >    -- s 	Sanderi   +++ Out of cheese error +++a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:16:18 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>i8 Subject: RE: Leak with Apache / Compaq Secure Web ServerT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D8ECD@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Tom,  ' From the CSWS web site, have you tried: H http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_problems. html   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantm Compaq Canada Corp.y Professional Servicesj Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----5 From: Tom Hickerson [mailto:tom@automatedtech.com]=20r Sent: April 17, 2002 8:58 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 8 Subject: Re: Leak with Apache / Compaq Secure Web Server    C Upgraded to latest release - that improved the situtation locks notnC increasing on each hit but locks still increasing when new sessions 
 connect.  ???x   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Apr 02 11:47:44 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)fG Subject: Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)r) Message-ID: <BNh9+bXzGPC6@elias.decus.ch>h  \ In article <3CC1A9A6.1AB22EA1@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Paul Sture wrote::G >> Modal dialogues: during installation, I fed it with the 3 CDs and it-- >> insisted on making an Internet connection.t > N > Yes, APPLE's installation scripts are overdone. The french version of the OSN > came at one point with a config that ASSUMED french (AZERTY) keyboard. FirstM > dialogue forces you to enter you name, on a keyboard that doesn't match the0 > one you have installed ! >   P Ouch. Perhaps I made the right choice when I installed the German version rather than the French one :-)t  O > Out of curiosity, are VMSinstall scripts modal ???? When you play around withB0 > the OS, modal dialogues are perhaps necessary. >e  N I would say no. But the warnings VMSINSTAL give about other logged in users doO have some use, particularly when DCLTABLES.EXE or some other vital component of  VMS is replaced.   > K >> Lack of textual error messages: A variety of icons try to tell me stuff,e/ >> but the User's Guide does not describe them.a > P > The early MACs had a real userguide, as well as better help. Then again, you'dO > install the OS out of a couple of diskettes only. Lots less fluff back in the O > old days. But Apple seems to have cut back there big time. There even used tomN > be a little utility to demo all the features of the GUI and let you try eachH > feature (cut/paste, changing applications etc). But that is gone too.  >   M And I'm afraid that is my complaint. IIRC, Windows still has the introductoryc
 tutorials.  K >> Single button mouse: I've been using 3 button mice since about 1989, and J >> routinely buy one as a replacement for the 2 button version which seemsH >> to come as standard with most PCs. With the iBook I severely miss the# >> second button for context menus.C > P > I started GUI on MACs and I have lived fine without those extra mouse buttons.P > There are many places where the mac will automatically bring up the contextualM > menu. (for instance, in netscape, just hold the button down for a while and K > you get the dialogue about what you want to do that that image, link etc)  >    Useful tip - thanks.  D >> Uniform key binding: Yet again, the User's Guide fails to mentionK >> shortcut keys. It took some time to realise what was available, and I amr$ >> nowhere near memorizing them yet. > M > For applications, every shortcut is shown as part of the menus. And for theeI > finder itself, there used to be a single help topic that listed all thexO > shortcuts but I can't seem to find it anymore. Hadn't used the help in a longrP > while and it does look inferior to what it used to be. Although if you turn on/ > balloon help, you get *very* contextual help.l > G >> All highly relevant to my first efforts at getting familiar with thenI >> thing. Absolutely no instructions on how to install extra software, orc( >> even how to close down and power off. > I > That is because it is so obvious that they didn't think it necessary to2O > document it. Take the application or its folder and drag it to your hard disk  > ! ! ! ! !  >   * Obvious now you've told me. Not before :-)  N > Of course, you may want to file your applications in a "Applications" folderM > on your hard drive, in which case just drag it to that folder.  More recentnL > applications just come with an installer. Usually, when the application isP > unstuffed, you get a folder and in it, you'll have an "install" icon. Click on > that and follow instructions.e > J >> I still dislike the fact I've got to use ^C, ^X, ^V to copy highlighted0 >> text. The X-windows way is IMHO far superior. > G > The copy/paste is more "robust" than the X-windows "paste whetever ismJ > selected" because you don't lose the contents of the paste buffer if you > select something else. >  > for instance:t. > in application A: select some text, copy it.P > in application B: select some text, then "paste". The pasted text will replace > the selected text. > < > This is the type of stuff that doesn't work on x-windows. ! > (and that i miss on x-windows).t __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Apr 2002 10:51:25 -0700- From: pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis) = Subject: Manual/Diagrams on how to access interior of XP-1000n= Message-ID: <e54adf36.0204210951.58b810e1@posting.google.com>   F As message says, I need to add a SCSI 3rd party (Seagate) hard disk on@ my XP-1000 (minitower model). The manual does not explain how toA disassemble interior in order to access the the area above the CDnF where I can add the 3rd hard disk. I can see that I need to remove theE motherboard before I can access the area but I am hesitant to do that  without diagrams.C  
 Kind regards,w Petros ---' Petros Dafniotis, PhD  pdafniotis@yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Apr 02 10:10:45 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)r Subject: Re: Mime hole virus) Message-ID: <UCg7YlLDZXZC@elias.decus.ch>h  V In article <3CC1F481.ACC74620@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net> writes: >  >  > Tom Linden wrote:o >> rD >> I discovered what this is the hard way, hope I didn't pass it on.A >> I run tcpip5.1 under 7.3 smtp server and use Outlook on W2K asnK >> pop client.  If you have the preview turned on, TURN IT OFF,  apparentlye   > Also, what is "preview"?  4 Preview is a nasty device, switched on by default in6 Outlook, which allows you to see a miniature of the oh4 so pretty graphics you are expecting your friends to% send you from looking at the headers.   4 It can also be used to deliver viruses or confirm to+ spammers that your email address is active.m   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlande  * For real SPAM, go to http://www.hormel.com   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Apr 2002 06:04:02 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>2% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Licenses5 Message-ID: <20020421060402.5076.qmail@gacracker.org>t  G On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:r >Barry Skidmore wrote: >> rG >> What is the status of the OpenVMS Hobbyist License program?  I had aMN >> license that I let expire in December of last year, and would like to renewI >> it.  The original web site for this (www.montagar.com/hobbyist/) is not >> longer up.  >aA >OVMS Hobby is alive and well, AFAIK, or was up until the merger.o >vE >I'm afraid Montagar's website is not "alive and well" at the moment.r  E I just got to it from Belgium, at 6:30 GMT. Either it was a transient H problem at Montagar, or you're both experiencing the same problem with a route to their site.  I If you still can't access it try a traceroute to the site and see if youre8 ISP will help you find an alternative route to the site.     Doc. -- b6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.neto   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Apr 02 11:14:39 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)a% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist License ) Message-ID: <u3H1UdfFlAgC@elias.decus.ch>   r In article <Xns91F6C400A589Abjskidmoresheltienet@209.43.4.41>, Barry Skidmore <bjskidmore@sheltie-net.com> writes:G > What is the status of the OpenVMS Hobbyist License program?  I had a  N > license that I let expire in December of last year, and would like to renew I > it.  The original web site for this (www.montagar.com/hobbyist/) is no l > longer up.  H Oh. I tried it using Mozilla and simply got a page linking me to the VMSN webring. Netscape 3.03 on VMS got me to the page where I can see the licensing link.-  : Try http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/register_license.html __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandj   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:15:29 GMT.. From: "Fim Wstberg" <fim.wastberg@fimator.se>% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist License 3 Message-ID: <RsCw8.2356$p56.485223@newsb.telia.net>   A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> skrev i,; meddelandet news:20020421060402.5076.qmail@gacracker.org...gI > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:w > >Barry Skidmore wrote: > >>I > >> What is the status of the OpenVMS Hobbyist License program?  I had asJ > >> license that I let expire in December of last year, and would like to renewtK > >> it.  The original web site for this (www.montagar.com/hobbyist/) is noa > >> longer up.  > >aC > >OVMS Hobby is alive and well, AFAIK, or was up until the merger.y > >aG > >I'm afraid Montagar's website is not "alive and well" at the moment.o > G > I just got to it from Belgium, at 6:30 GMT. Either it was a transienthJ > problem at Montagar, or you're both experiencing the same problem with a > route to their site. > K > If you still can't access it try a traceroute to the site and see if your : > ISP will help you find an alternative route to the site. >  >- > Doc. > --8 > The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. > ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum. https://vmsbox.cjb.net >w  0 PING 209.39.152.5 is ok. The webserver kaputt ?? Fim.Wastberg@fimator.seS   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Apr 2002 06:08:30 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>9 Subject: Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!c5 Message-ID: <20020421060830.5195.qmail@gacracker.org>t  9 On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:'  
 <big snip>  E I fail to see how resorting to profanity helps put your point across.      Doc. -- d6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.neto   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 07:07:33 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!lC Message-ID: <Vytw8.133743$%l3.10228104@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>e  A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in messaget/ news:20020421060830.5195.qmail@gacracker.org... ; > On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:v >  > <big snip> >mG > I fail to see how resorting to profanity helps put your point across.   K Sometimes people use expletives because they feel the situation demands it, 3 not to have some particular effect on the listener.y   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:42:04 GMTt- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>>; Subject: Re: Problems writing blank tape in TZ86 tape drive * Message-ID: <3CC2EBF5.2030407@qsl.network>   Ren Schelbaum wrote:  > Hello! > K > I am not sure if that isn't normal operation. I remember having found outeL > that the drive tries to read before it starts writing, and that causes the > parity errors on a blank tapeoF > (At least thats the way it was on reel tapes). There used to be someD > switches to the INIT-Command that prevented it from reading before > initializing.t  6 Initialize/override=(accessability, expiration ,owner)  @ I do not know that it prevents reading before writing, or would  eliminate a parity error.d  + It just causes the data read to be ignored.:   -Johni wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only8   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:56:11 GMTt1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>m7 Subject: Some Lite Reading from SKC and www.openvms.orgr; Message-ID: <LaCw8.37131$%s3.15511040@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>l   Constant Readers,   B Five new back issues from Shannon Knows Compaq have been posted atJ www.openvms.org.  The issues in question cover the merger and other timely? phenemona. They are in PDF format and can be freely downloaded.v    H SKCV9N1 January 3, 2002: Fearless Prognostications - Compaq's Changes in 2002L SKCV9N2 January 9, 2002: And Now For Something Completely Different from CPQJ SKCV9N3 January 17, 2002: Compaq's January Earnings Surprise - Really Good NewsD SKCV9N4 February 1, 2002: Compaq Unveils First Blade in the ProLiant	 BL-Series L SKCV9N5 February 7, 2002: Merger Prospects Buoyed By European Union Decision   Enjoy!   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq" PLEASE NOTE MY *NEW* EMAIL ADDRESS email: terryshannon@attbi.com 2 Web (info on SKC):  www.openvms.org, www.tru64.org  F PS-- Blatant "sales pitch" (such as it is): If you use www.openvms.orgG and/or www.tru64.org as a resource and find the site(s) to be valuable, K please send an email to the perpetrator of the site(s), kfarmer@farmer.org.nE Ken is looking for such statements to help build his case for greaterk support and buy-in from Compaq.f   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Apr 2002 03:47:12 -0700& From: theaugur@hotmail.com (the augur)N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64= Message-ID: <d39e6c16.0204210247.342506f8@posting.google.com>T   Right Jeff--big time overlap.  r  A However, I think VMS will survive in "maintenance mode" until theoD alpha chip is completely out of the market (2009 or 2012?).  VMS hasE been in maintenance mode for quite some time now anyway--it's nothingv> new.  You don't just stop an enterprise level operating system@ overnight, you minimalize effort on it and place a few people inB charge to take care of it.  There are things like commitments that: even a dogg`ed company like the new HP will have to honor.  C What the new-HP will do is evaluate the costs of maintaining VMS asuE opposed to the revenue that it brings in.  True, the New-HP will needq@ some quick turnaround on revenue to please the naysayers in WallA Street, but VMS does bring in a little for very low investment (ioB think less than 400 employees).  And as for chopping off employees> when things start to go bad, there's no doubt that she will beD chopping before things go bad, she's got a history of that.  Most ofB those less than 400 within VMS are managers and dead wood anyway. D Chop chop!  Whoever heard of an engineering company with a 3:1 ratioA of managers to engineers?  Chop chop, I'll even supply the Palmer 	 sized ax!u  A OpenVMS on IPF is going to be ridiculous, that's like replacing aoD porche engine with a geo metro engine.  In all sincerity, VMS shouldF not do the port.  They're banking on the hopes that IPF will be at theD alpha level soon and that's not going to happen for quite some time,D not even if they've got all the alpha engineers.  But I guess if youB don't do the port, customers will get the message very clearly and= start thinking of alternatives.  Who knows, maybe the good HPaD marketing folk can skew the facts about IPF.  But let's keep in mindF that customers, a good bit of them, are extremely frugal and will downC the marketing hypes of intel/microsoft.  So cheap is always better,p and VMS is not that.  F To properly give VMS a breath of life, a company, any company, whetherE it's HP, Compaq, Digital, EDS, would have to undo the palmer mess andrE that's way too bad.  So to end a meaningless argument, VMS will neverjF be in the spotlight as much as UNIX/Linux or even Windows NT, you willD not see complete b2b/b2c solutions from VMS or any of the other fadsF out there today, that's an impossibility.  HP knows this, but how much6 can they bank before everyone else figures this out...      a  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3CA8939D.CDFE4ECA@videotron.ca>...a > John Smith wrote:,O > > Killing VMS is one of those things that doesn't make sense, but I bet it'llm > > happen anyway. > I > It makes sense if one is out to consolidate product lines and eliminaten7 > product overlaps. VMS overlaps both tandem and unix.   > J > It makes sense if one is told that it would be possible to retain a good> > portion of the VMS customers by proceeding in a certain way. > P > Carly has made a lot of promises. The minute she realises that the integrationP > isn't going smoothly, she will start to play musical chairs, layoff additionalO > staff and cut additional products to rationalise the company and focus on itsi > core incompetancies.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:40:51 -0400t+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>:N Subject: RE: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1E99@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  E >> you will not see complete b2b/b2c solutions from VMS or any of theu7 other fads out there today, that's an impossibility. <<   D Forgetting the fact that this person posts without a real name, theyG obviously feel ISV's are not jumping on the Java bandwagon (which means G applications for OpenVMS) .. Or simply ignores the fact that OpenVMS isg winning new business E.g.=20  = http://www.dataglider.com/solutions/openvms.html (Web enabledd applications for OpenVMS)a/ http://www.iona.com/pressroom/2002/20020327.htmeA IONA ANNOUNCES ORBIX E2A APPLICATION SERVER PLATFORM FOR COMPAQ'SM OPENVMS OPERATING SYSTEM  B IONA Orbix E2A Application Server Platform Enables Development and@ Deployment of Web Services Applications in the OpenVMS Operating Environmentg  B JavaOnesm Conference 2002 - San Francisco, CA. - March 27, 2002 --B IONA(r), the leading e-Business Platform provider for Web ServicesC Integration (NASDAQ: IONA), today announced the availability of thetG Orbix E2A(tm) Application Server Platform on Compaq's OpenVMS operating D system. IONA's Orbix E2A Application Server Platform offers Compaq'sC OpenVMS customers a J2EE(tm)-compliant and Web services-architectedlE platform for application and e- Business infrastructure development."d  ) Or that OpenVMS is winning new business -e8 http://www.mgex.com/news/news_releases/release28.html=20A "February 21, 2002 : Successful Launch of Electronic Trading, New'' Contracts at Minneapolis Grain Exchangeo  ) http://www.onexchange.com/press112601.asp E "As a result of close engineering and lab work between the companies, F onExchange has successfully deployed its Java standard clearing systemF and trading engine, using the BEA WebLogic Server, on Compaq's OpenVMSG AlphaServer systems. The ease with which onExchange was able to certifyMF on the OpenVMS environment demonstrates the strength of the onExchangeG solution design and the suitability of the OpenVMS environment, and BEA ? WebLogic Server as a platform for J2EE-compliant solutions. The 5 onExchange system is available to OpenVMS users now."t  A Or that Security is not a big factor in determining new business:iH http://www.irconnect.com/noc/pages/news_releases.mhtml?d=3D21764 (US Air Force JSTARS program)m   Regards,    
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantn Compaq Canada Corp.g Professional Servicesp Voice: 613-592-4660r Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----0 From: the augur [mailto:theaugur@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: April 21, 2002 6:47 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComhH Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64     ! Right Jeff--big time overlap. =20   G However, I think VMS will survive in "maintenance mode" until the alpha F chip is completely out of the market (2009 or 2012?).  VMS has been inG maintenance mode for quite some time now anyway--it's nothing new.  You C don't just stop an enterprise level operating system overnight, yousH minimalize effort on it and place a few people in charge to take care ofG it.  There are things like commitments that even a dogg`ed company likeo the new HP will have to honor.  C What the new-HP will do is evaluate the costs of maintaining VMS asdE opposed to the revenue that it brings in.  True, the New-HP will needlH some quick turnaround on revenue to please the naysayers in Wall Street,D but VMS does bring in a little for very low investment (i think lessC than 400 employees).  And as for chopping off employees when thingseB start to go bad, there's no doubt that she will be chopping beforeH things go bad, she's got a history of that.  Most of those less than 4000 within VMS are managers and dead wood anyway.=20G Chop chop!  Whoever heard of an engineering company with a 3:1 ratio oftH managers to engineers?  Chop chop, I'll even supply the Palmer sized ax!  H OpenVMS on IPF is going to be ridiculous, that's like replacing a porcheH engine with a geo metro engine.  In all sincerity, VMS should not do theG port.  They're banking on the hopes that IPF will be at the alpha level D soon and that's not going to happen for quite some time, not even ifE they've got all the alpha engineers.  But I guess if you don't do the G port, customers will get the message very clearly and start thinking of-G alternatives.  Who knows, maybe the good HP marketing folk can skew the,F facts about IPF.  But let's keep in mind that customers, a good bit of? them, are extremely frugal and will down the marketing hypes ofeA intel/microsoft.  So cheap is always better, and VMS is not that.   F To properly give VMS a breath of life, a company, any company, whetherE it's HP, Compaq, Digital, EDS, would have to undo the palmer mess andCH that's way too bad.  So to end a meaningless argument, VMS will never beG in the spotlight as much as UNIX/Linux or even Windows NT, you will not D see complete b2b/b2c solutions from VMS or any of the other fads outF there today, that's an impossibility.  HP knows this, but how much can2 they bank before everyone else figures this out...     =20e  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( news:<3CA8939D.CDFE4ECA@videotron.ca>... > John Smith wrote:pH > > Killing VMS is one of those things that doesn't make sense, but I=20 > > bet it'll happen anyway. >=20B > It makes sense if one is out to consolidate product lines and=20@ > eliminate product overlaps. VMS overlaps both tandem and unix. >=20H > It makes sense if one is told that it would be possible to retain a=20C > good portion of the VMS customers by proceeding in a certain way.d >=20G > Carly has made a lot of promises. The minute she realises that the=20_E > integration isn't going smoothly, she will start to play musical=20mC > chairs, layoff additional staff and cut additional products to=200? > rationalise the company and focus on its core incompetancies.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Apr 2002 01:12:03 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>i Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha CIa0 Message-ID: <qhelh95v3g.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>   I wrote:I > Speaking of which, I just bought two CIPCA-AA at auction and would likeaH > to write a Linux driver.  Was any programming information on the CIPCA? > published?  If not, is there any way to get the source to thet2 > SYS$PCA without spending a vast amount of money?  3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:o > Um, yeah. Well, ...  > D > Understand up front that you're going to be "re-inventing" the SCSH > (System Communication Services) "wheel" and all the various stuff that  > supports it and makes it work. > 2 > SCS has been likened to "black magic" by some...  E Actually I only want to make the PC act as an HSC50 in 576-byte-blockeH mode for use with the DECSYSTEM-10 under TOPS-10.  For that, most of the? stuff used to support distributed lock management and other VMS * clustering features will not be necessary.  D I've got the source code for the TOPS-10 side of things, so I mostlyJ know what I need to implement.  TOPS-10 only uses the CI to read and writeI disk blocks (and tape) on an HSC50; it doesn't use any fancy stuff.   ThekM CIPCA interface is the only part about which I have insufficient information.e  C If all else fails, it looks like it would only take a few months ofdE spare time to design a new FPGA-based PCI CI interface card.  Most ofiF the logic other than the PCI interface can be similar to what's in theG CI20.  But since I already have the CIPCA in hand, I'd rather not waste  time reinventing that wheel.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Apr 2002 17:14:00 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha CIe- Message-ID: <87662l8ld3.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-  5 Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> writes:2  D > Speaking of which, I just bought two CIPCA-AA at auction and wouldC > like to write a Linux driver.  Was any programming information onaE > the CIPCA published?  If not, is there any way to get the source toe6 > the SYS$PCA without spending a vast amount of money?  D The CIPCA is very like the SHAC chip from the 4000, or the CI780/750F and the other CI ports. It is mainly initialization that is different.) Some one was doing a SHAC driver for BSD.   C You realize you will need to also do (T)MSCP class drivers and alsou< interfaces for errorloging and conecting to the controllers?  E > And does anyone have the HSC50 documentation, maintenance manual or  > print set?   -- A< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Apr 02 09:41:38 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)t1 Subject: Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of lifet) Message-ID: <cTsH3geH2q1J@elias.decus.ch>   v In article <20020420195111.23340.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: [Dirk's point snipped] > I > Spam depends very much on the recipient. Some people, like youself, are-K > fairly forgiving of unsolicited email that you might find of interest. OnrI > the other hand, other people consider mail from any party they have notSH > authorized to communicate with them to be spam. For what it's worth, IM > think the original poster was right in describing the mail they received as M > spam. It was unsolicited, it was commercial, therefore it is spam. To me itBE > doesn't matter how targetted the mail is, spam is spam. If I can be-G > bothered, I report it, otherwise I delete it. The really unsuspecting L > people will of course try the remove me links provided in spam. These justF > lead to your email address being added to a list of confirmed active > addresses and sold on. >  >   7 My problem with Attunity and their phone calls was that27 the guy pretty much forced me into the position where I07 had to admit to myself I did not have the power to sign>	 a cheque.a  5 Bad vibes. I only wanted to find out what the product  did...  2 On another note, I bumped into a student who I had7 recommended the Hobbes system to. His opinion about VMSf6 was somewhat disappointing: "No GUI - what does one do4 with this system? I imagine it's good for scientific5 calculations". Hard work to counter those prejudices.R  5 This is a bright young lad, but it struck me forciblyg5 that he has been conditioned to expect that without aw GUI, an OS is useless.   __ t Paul Sture   Switzerlando   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Apr 02 10:01:45 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)s1 Subject: Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of life ) Message-ID: <ZzxP21$5LhJ1@elias.decus.ch>u  o In article <cKkw8.36597$%s3.14912793@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:e >  >> > L > Yep! I use www.spamcop.net (and pay about $15-20 a year for the privilege)L > for reporting SPAMMERs. Wouldn't bother doing that with Attunity, it's theB > "bare nekkid Brittney Speers" sort of stuff that yanks my chain. > N > Also, FWIW, my level of incoming SPAM has dropped dramatically now that I'veK > stopped forwarding stuff from my old world.std.com account (which remainsfN > active) to my current account. As opposed to MediaNone, AT&T Broadband sucksN > in many regards (they throttle back their broadband speed big-time, and theyM > limit email file size to 5MB or less) but they apparently use Brightmail ore' > some other SPAM filtering technology.n >  >   5 Ayup. It has now got the the stage where each morning,1 we swap jokes about what we have been offered via / email. We really appreciate it - complaining tom1 postmasters gives us something to do over morningr0 coffee or waiting for that long build /batch job /whatever to complete.  6 The sad part is that an ex-colleague rejoined us after5 an absence of 3 years and found his brand new mailboxp, contained 30 or so spams on his first login. __ Paul Sture . Switzerlands   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Apr 2002 07:36:04 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>w1 Subject: Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of life 6 Message-ID: <20020421073604.10805.qmail@gacracker.org>  8 On 21 Apr 02, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:B >In article <20020420195111.23340.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher5 ><Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:t >[Dirk's point snipped]  >> eJ >> Spam depends very much on the recipient. Some people, like youself, areL >> fairly forgiving of unsolicited email that you might find of interest. OnJ >> the other hand, other people consider mail from any party they have notI >> authorized to communicate with them to be spam. For what it's worth, I-N >> think the original poster was right in describing the mail they received asN >> spam. It was unsolicited, it was commercial, therefore it is spam. To me itF >> doesn't matter how targetted the mail is, spam is spam. If I can beH >> bothered, I report it, otherwise I delete it. The really unsuspectingM >> people will of course try the remove me links provided in spam. These justfG >> lead to your email address being added to a list of confirmed active  >> addresses and sold on.o >>   >> t >n8 >My problem with Attunity and their phone calls was that8 >the guy pretty much forced me into the position where I8 >had to admit to myself I did not have the power to sign
 >a cheque. >i6 >Bad vibes. I only wanted to find out what the product >did...t  H And by their actions Attunity alienated someone who might otherwise haveE recommended the purchase of the package. I'd hope for better from VMSiC related companies, like everyone they want every sale they can get. K However, culling comp.os.vms for email addresses or cold-calling people aree pretty low marketing tactics.p  3 >On another note, I bumped into a student who I hadh8 >recommended the Hobbes system to. His opinion about VMS7 >was somewhat disappointing: "No GUI - what does one do 5 >with this system? I imagine it's good for scientificy6 >calculations". Hard work to counter those prejudices.  I I guess he'll be one of those who ends up working with Windows, most unix F people I've met find the GUI convenient because they can have multipleD command windows open, not because they need some pointy-clicky tool.  6 >This is a bright young lad, but it struck me forcibly6 >that he has been conditioned to expect that without a >GUI, an OS is useless.e  H Well, that contrasts considerably with the reaction I got from one of my new users last night...e    K   Ok, now I have to go and get some sleep and take a break from VMS :) I amo<   seriously *stunned* with OpenVMS. When I was just a user,    I didn't really careH   about all the details - but now that I started reading all the docs, I?   seriously beleive that VMS is the most powerful OS I've ever i	   seen :)     J As this user is likely to come to comp.os.vms to ask some software portingI related questions I suggested that they make comments like that here, the ( response I got to that was refreshing...    K   The problem is that I shouldn't post good things about VMS to comp.os.vmsi<   - I should try to (and will :) 'enlighten' people who are    not VMS users :)  K   It's the same as saying to Amiga users that Amiga rocks (I was one *real* =   Amiga maniac, and remember how much I didn't really care ifs   someone tells me thatcD   Amiga rocks - I always wanted them to say that to someone else :).    J I wish Compaq marketing had the same attitude, preach to the heathens, not
 the converts.o     Doc. -- S6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.nets   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:59:50 +0000 (UTC)t From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk1 Subject: Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of lifee+ Message-ID: <a9u2im$hs6$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>-  o In article <cKkw8.36597$%s3.14912793@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:t >7 >> >lK >Yep! I use www.spamcop.net (and pay about $15-20 a year for the privilege)4K >for reporting SPAMMERs. Wouldn't bother doing that with Attunity, it's theoA >"bare nekkid Brittney Speers" sort of stuff that yanks my chain.e >t  . The spam reporting service at Spamcop is free.G You can if you wish pay a small fee which apparently speeds up the spamI8 processing and removes banner adverts from the webpages.G I've never tried this since the free service is generally fairly quick. E Spamcop also provides other fee paying services such as filtered mailn	 accounts.e    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University 0   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:20:04 +0000 (UTC)' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk1 Subject: Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of lifeD+ Message-ID: <a9u3ok$iru$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>p  U In article <cTsH3geH2q1J@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:iw >In article <20020420195111.23340.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:N >[Dirk's point snipped]v >> i >y3 >On another note, I bumped into a student who I hadn8 >recommended the Hobbes system to. His opinion about VMS7 >was somewhat disappointing: "No GUI - what does one dor5 >with this system? I imagine it's good for scientificl6 >calculations". Hard work to counter those prejudices. >o6 >This is a bright young lad, but it struck me forcibly6 >that he has been conditioned to expect that without a >GUI, an OS is useless.c >s    F What remote access GUI is he used to ?  After all VMS does support the% same GUI as most Unixes ie X-Windows 1  G Of course if he's accessing it from a PC he'll need an X-server productaL running on his PC but then he'd also need that to use a remote Unix system's GUI.  N I haven't looked at Hobbes so I don't know if DecWindows/Motif has been loadedM and probably more importantly from a newcomer perspective whether it has beenrH setup so that the display is automatically set back to the users machine when they telnet in.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Apr 02 12:38:07 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)i1 Subject: Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of lifei) Message-ID: <nZbKXe7Y33oM@elias.decus.ch>d  v In article <20020421073604.10805.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:: > On 21 Apr 02, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:C >>In article <20020420195111.23340.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher 6 >><Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: >>[Dirk's point snipped] >>> K >>> Spam depends very much on the recipient. Some people, like youself, arehM >>> fairly forgiving of unsolicited email that you might find of interest. OnlK >>> the other hand, other people consider mail from any party they have nothJ >>> authorized to communicate with them to be spam. For what it's worth, IO >>> think the original poster was right in describing the mail they received asrO >>> spam. It was unsolicited, it was commercial, therefore it is spam. To me ithG >>> doesn't matter how targetted the mail is, spam is spam. If I can bedI >>> bothered, I report it, otherwise I delete it. The really unsuspectinglN >>> people will of course try the remove me links provided in spam. These justH >>> lead to your email address being added to a list of confirmed active >>> addresses and sold on. >>>  >>>  >>9 >>My problem with Attunity and their phone calls was thatn9 >>the guy pretty much forced me into the position where Iy9 >>had to admit to myself I did not have the power to signe >>a cheque.p >>7 >>Bad vibes. I only wanted to find out what the product  >>did... > J > And by their actions Attunity alienated someone who might otherwise haveG > recommended the purchase of the package. I'd hope for better from VMSiE > related companies, like everyone they want every sale they can get.IM > However, culling comp.os.vms for email addresses or cold-calling people are  > pretty low marketing tactics.V >   M Absolutely correct. As I said, I don't have the power to write large cheques,hL but I will recommend products (and companies!) that I trust to my management4 and friends (some of whom do have sizeable budgets).  4 >>On another note, I bumped into a student who I had9 >>recommended the Hobbes system to. His opinion about VMSo8 >>was somewhat disappointing: "No GUI - what does one do6 >>with this system? I imagine it's good for scientific7 >>calculations". Hard work to counter those prejudices.r > K > I guess he'll be one of those who ends up working with Windows, most unixtH > people I've met find the GUI convenient because they can have multipleF > command windows open, not because they need some pointy-clicky tool. >   A Typically 70 or so DECterm windows on my VMS workstation at work. 2 At least one NT command session on the PC too. :-)  7 >>This is a bright young lad, but it struck me forciblyo7 >>that he has been conditioned to expect that without an >>GUI, an OS is useless. > J > Well, that contrasts considerably with the reaction I got from one of my > new users last night...p >  > M >   Ok, now I have to go and get some sleep and take a break from VMS :) I amS> >   seriously *stunned* with OpenVMS. When I was just a user,  >   I didn't really careJ >   about all the details - but now that I started reading all the docs, IA >   seriously beleive that VMS is the most powerful OS I've ever s >   seen :)a >   C Nice one. I'll quote that to my student. I haven't given up yet :-)o   > L > As this user is likely to come to comp.os.vms to ask some software portingK > related questions I suggested that they make comments like that here, the_* > response I got to that was refreshing... >   N It has been refreshing to see several new folks around comp.os.vms recently. I< trust that is at least in part down to your efforts. Thanks.   > M >   The problem is that I shouldn't post good things about VMS to comp.os.vms0> >   - I should try to (and will :) 'enlighten' people who are  >   not VMS users :) > M >   It's the same as saying to Amiga users that Amiga rocks (I was one *real*j? >   Amiga maniac, and remember how much I didn't really care ifL >   someone tells me thataF >   Amiga rocks - I always wanted them to say that to someone else :). >  > L > I wish Compaq marketing had the same attitude, preach to the heathens, not > the converts.e >    Ditto. n   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Apr 2002 11:02:20 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> 1 Subject: Re: VMS Spammer, the lowest form of life.6 Message-ID: <20020421110220.21986.qmail@gacracker.org>  8 On 21 Apr 02, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:   <snip>  K >> Well, that contrasts considerably with the reaction I got from one of my  >> new users last night... >>   >> mN >>   Ok, now I have to go and get some sleep and take a break from VMS :) I am? >>   seriously *stunned* with OpenVMS. When I was just a user, w >>   I didn't really care K >>   about all the details - but now that I started reading all the docs, I0B >>   seriously beleive that VMS is the most powerful OS I've ever  >>   seen :) >> I >vD >Nice one. I'll quote that to my student. I haven't given up yet :-)   Hope your persistence pays off.r  M >> As this user is likely to come to comp.os.vms to ask some software portingeL >> related questions I suggested that they make comments like that here, the+ >> response I got to that was refreshing...  >>   >iO >It has been refreshing to see several new folks around comp.os.vms recently. I = >trust that is at least in part down to your efforts. Thanks.u  J Ken Kalish was one newbie to comp.os.vms that comes from VMSbox, he's beenH playing with Java on the system and is very interested in getting Tomcat  running with the WASD webserver.  K I certainly encourage people who are interested in the system to come here,iJ some do. Many don't, but they do refer to the google archives. The contentJ therein is a very good advertisment for the generally friendly and helpful nature of the VMS community.  G Of course, I'd like to mention that tt is planned to advertise that theoH Dallas guys will be at DefCon 10 (in alt.2600) and refer them to my siteA for some VMS experience, hopefully that won't result in us seeinge l33t-sp33k in c.o.v. :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:13:08 -0400a+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>  Subject: RE: VMS versus IBM T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1E9A@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   John,   J >>> Don't say that DECmessageQ is an option because MOM interoperability =H is still a myth, and the vast majority of the non-VMS world uses MQ at = various release levels.<<<  G I'm not sure what the latest is with MQ Series (although I know there =rC has been some discussions), but keep in mind that the future with =hA application messaging is heading towards cross platform JMS - a = & component of the J2EE architecture.=20  J This is a big part of IBM's new MQ Series plans as well since they have, =3 imho, correctly recognized the writing on the wall.u  B Depending on what components are purchased, I believe BEA, IONA, =- WebSphere, iPlanet etc all support JMS today.i   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantc Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660c Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----+ From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20  Sent: April 18, 2002 5:34 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi Subject: Re: VMS versus IBM'    H Go look at the new release schedule of Websphere MQ (formerly known as = MQA Series) from IBM. Try to find OpenVMS mentioned anywhere in the =l4 port/release schedule for it over the next 8 months.  I Don't say that DECmessageQ is an option because MOM interoperability is =cE still a myth, and the vast majority of the non-VMS world uses MQ at =t various release levels.2  F Slowly VMS gets marginalized. Thanks Bob. Thanks, Mikey. Thanks Carly.        < "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message =& news:3CBF05AE.72E7EED2@videotron.ca... > Nic Clews wrote:G > > Agreed, but you still have the hurdle to either convince the SAP=20eH > > people they should invest in the VMS X.Y version to produce their=20G > > VMS compatible SAP implementation, or release the source code so=20t" > > that someone else could do it. >dF > That is the  problem of a company such as Compaq or HP whose core=20	 > productc isC > Wintel. If SAP only wants to do one port, they will port it to=20l
 > Compaq's "core"= > product and Compaq's other products will not be considered.5 >2I > This is why in the past, VMS was the target of many ports because it=20hI > was Digital's core product and it was the one with all the software.=20t > TheK	 minute itsC > becomes a secondary product, the software migrates to the core=20t
 > product. And asG > this begins, so do the customers and when customers migrate, so do=20h > more applications=E9t > J > > IBM has a philosophy that says we sell you the kit and the support,=20D > > but the premise is you run what you want on the kit, and will=20H > > support what you want to run on their kit. Part of their gamble I=20J > > believe is based around those with the so-called legacy applications =  G > > who can re-use existing hardware and dip their toe in the 'open'=20  > > water of linux.e >hG > The problem is that IBM has too many kits to sell. Will each platforms retainF > the critical mass necessary to continue to attract new software ?=20 > Adding LinuxyC > which will go from desktop to datacenter will affect all of IBM's 	 products,eC > except perhaps the bank applications that are so rooted in MVS=20t > manframes. >mD > > I'm not so certain that the single vendor approach is the way=20F > > businesses want to move forward. Do you know of any examples of=209 > > companies that have over 90% of one vendors' systems?  >rF > Sure. Plenty of companies are "compaq only". Remember that in the=20 > early  1990F > until the end of the Y2K craze, Compaq was king for wintel in the=20	 > office,3 from > desktop to server. >sJ > The big question is whether customers will want to deal with a single=20I > supplier, or whether they will want to deal with multiple suppliers,=20 J > each being the best in what it does. So Dell for Wintel, Sun for Unix, =  	 > and VMS3 formJ > serious stuff, instead of buying  HP wintel, HP-UX, HP-linux etc, none =  $ > of which would be "best in breed".   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Apr 2002 10:43:32 -0700- From: pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis)a; Subject: XP1000 does not recognize Compaq memory in  Bank 1h= Message-ID: <e54adf36.0204210943.665b6066@posting.google.com>i  @ I purchased two years ago a XP1000 with 512MB (4x128) in Bank 0.  M Now I purchased a Kingston approved 1GB (4x256). REASON: Swiss Francs 1200 vssN Swiss francs 10,000 for Compaq RAM. I could not justify for the life of me the extra cost of Compaq RAM.   1 I put Kingston in Bank1 with Compaq RAM in Bank 0I"    RESULT: 4 beeps from the system  ? I put Kingston in Bank0 alone and remove Compaq RAM completely.lJ    RESULT; Boots ok recognizes extra RAM both in Console prompt and in VMS  1 I put Kingston in Bank 0 and Compaq RAM in Bank1.lP    RESULT: I boot ok, but both Console and OpenVMS REFUSE to see the Compaq RAM.  C Please help if you can. I do need the 1.5GB ram for my simulations.   
 Kind regards,o Petros ---w Petros Dafniotis, PhD  pdafniotis@yahoo.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.220 ************************