1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 24 Apr 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 225       Contents: Re: $QIO and SYSPRV  Re: $QIO and SYSPRV  Re: $QIO and SYSPRV " (GCC) GNU C/C++ compiler for Alpha Re: adapter for 4000 ? RE: adapter for 4000 ? Re: Alpha 3000/500+ Re: Another Microsoft breaking of standards + Re: Another Microsoft breaking of standards + RE: Another Microsoft breaking of standards + Re: Another Microsoft breaking of standards  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Cache Performance  Compaq and HP stock prices Re: creat function hanging& cxxlink problems with JNI_CreateJavaVM  Re: DEC 3000/400 VMS 6.2 problem DS10's falling out of trees / Re: Emulate "show calls" in application logging / Re: Emulate "show calls" in application logging 
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(was Re: learning how to use  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:07:06 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: $QIO and SYSPRV9 Message-ID: <KGmx8.11$Ra5.387130@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>   ` In article <3CC2EC55.7060304@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes:  J :When having enabled an installed image's SYSPRV to allow the creation of @ :a file in an otherwise protected directory, do I have to force G :synchronous completion to avoid the risk of an AST routine (obviously  M :not shown in the code snippet supplied) being activated with SYSPRV enabled.   C   You need to have the privilege turned on only as long as you need 2   it, and you will want to call only trusted code.  F :Answers in the context of AST-enabled non-AST delivery execution, as I :well as user-mode AST delivery execution would be helpful.  It would be  I :useful to be able to enable SYSPRV and queue an asynchronous completion  E :$QIO then disable SYSPRV without giving the AST routine any thought.   H   ASTs are not particularly relevent, as only DECthreads (and then only G   with the per-threads security enabled, and this is available only on  J   recent OpenVMS releases) operate with privileges specific to the thread J   of execution -- ASTs operate within process context, and either have or F   do not have the privileges.  The ASTs do not preserve the privilege G   context for later use, the privileges check(s) are made when the AST     runs.   C   All that said, I strongly discourage this approach.  It's far too B   big a hammer for the stated approach.  Rather, I would strongly A   encourage the use of subsystem identifiers.  This allows you to @   specifically tailor the permitted (or denied) access using theC   identifier and one or more access control list(s)(ACLs), and you  C   specifically do not have to protect against the widespread system G   access that SYSPRV or other ALL-class privilege can and does provide.   C   Subsystem identifiers are associated with the image, and function F   similarly to an installed image.  The configuration of the subsystemF   identifier does differ and particularly uses management tools other G   than the INSTALL utility, please see the security manual for details.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 05:09:47 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: $QIO and SYSPRV- Message-ID: <874ri2nmuc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   1 Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes:   F > With SYS$CREATE there is no RMS$_PENDING listed as a possible returnB > status.  Or for $CLOSE, $ENTER, $ERASE, $EXTEND, $OPEN, $REMOVE, > $RENAME, $SEARCH.    E > Just musing ... in fact with the exception of $SEARCH it looks like A > anything that could possibly manipulate a file header will only < > happen synchronously?  This might imply that all these are > process-atomic (at ...  > Am I on the right track?  ) They are all ACP functions, not RMS ones.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:23:43 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: $QIO and SYSPRV9 Message-ID: <jWmx8.12$_a5.388158@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>   \ In article <3CC30B68.C60E18FE@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: :Mark Daniel wrote:  :>     EnableSysPrv();0 :>     tkptr->AccessFab.fab$l_fop &= ~FAB$M_ASY;5 :>     status = sys$create (&tkptr->AccessFab, 0, 0);  :>     DisableSysPrv();  : N :Have you considered SYS$SETAST(0) before the enableSysPrv() and SYS$SETAST(1)S :after the DisableSysPrv ? That would prevent the delivery of ASTs between the two.   F   Yuck.  It'll work, but it's ugly.  When faced with a need to disableG   or to serialize code, I'll often tend to use $dclast in preference to D   $setast.  This also serializes the AST, of course -- with $setast,F   the code must reset the AST configuration when done.  $dclast avoidsF   this.  (And once you are comfortable with writing and once you have E   AST routines flying around, one more AST routine fits nicely... :-)   E   That said, if you have untrusted code within your application, then G   you are already doomed -- the timing of the arrival of the AST means  H   relatively little.  (What would stop the untrusted code from enabling '   the privilege and directly using it?)   I :I *believe* that privilege is a process thing, so the ASTs would inherit  :whatever is available.   C   Privileges are specific to the process context, unless threading  B   and particularly per-threads security is enabled -- in any case,E   the AST has access to the process privileges that are enabled when     the AST itself executes.  J :Another way of doing this is to write a user written system service. ThatG :enables a subroutine to have privs when the calling programme doesn't.   C   The user-written system service operates in an inner (privileged) @   processor mode, meaning that implicit SETPRV is available fromD   and derived from the execution of the code in executive or kernel F   mode, and that the code needs to perform the operation in the inner G   mode -- if the code exits out to user mode, it is no better off than  A   the current approach, of course.  Operating in inner mode also  '   restricts what routines you can call.   C   I tend to prefer server processes or captive logins or other such B   approaches -- such as subsystem identifiers, mentioned in one of@   the previous replies -- when faced with this.  If I do need toD   operate in an inner mode, I tend to prefer to use a pseudo device A   driver as it offers a user-mode API, and ample kernel-mode data >   structures for data storage.  There are definitely uses for >   user-written system services, of course -- but of all of theE   various OpenVMS constructs that could potentially be applied here,  D   user-written system services are among the most poorly documented E   of the available approaches.  (Of course, the ACP API that is used  C   by device drivers to get back into user mode is, well, seriously     undocumented. :-)   C   Inner-mode code -- whether UWSS or driver -- is more difficult to B   write and to debug, of course.  Various inner-mode failures can B   also crash your process (best case) or your system (worst case).  ?   The (plug) DCL book has discussions of implementing user-mode B   server processes and captive logins, and other security-related @   topics.  Details on subsystem identifiers are provided in the    OpenVMS security manual.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 12:51:42 -07000 From: fabio.becherini@ufrgs.br (Fabio Becherini)+ Subject: (GCC) GNU C/C++ compiler for Alpha = Message-ID: <70cf0643.0204231151.4b869e64@posting.google.com>   	 Hi folks,   , We have OpenVMS V7.2 running in some Alphas,5 and now we are looking for a (GCC) GNU C/C++ compiler  for these machines.   $ Does anyone have a solution for it ?   Best regards !   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:42:29 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: adapter for 4000 ? H Message-ID: <prlx8.47990$VLV.33597@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  K Mitsubishi used to have a device called 'FA-1' that they shipped with their K monitors (say 5-6 years ago). It was a small 2"x3"x3"  silver colored thing H that had 5 BNC connectors on one side and a DB-15 connector on the other side.   K I used one for a short while on a 4000/60 for synch-on-green for use with a ' monochrome video adapter in the VS4000.   J You might try the local electronics surplus stores to see if they have any kicking around.     9 "David Michaels" <michaedi@email.uc.edu> wrote in message & news:3CC40933.D8B6EB4A@email.uc.edu... > Hi > H > Is there an adapter that will allow VAXstation 4000 computers to use a > SVGA 15 pin monitor. >  >  >  >  > Thanks > David Michaels > michaedi@email.uc.edu    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:08:23 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: adapter for 4000 ? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBGENAA.tom@kednos.com>   < Here is a solution, sounds a bit hokey, but it works, I have= 4 of them running.  You buy 3 BNC M-M couplers, 1 cable which @ has 5 bnc connectors at one end (RGB BW, use only RGB) and HDB15A at the other.  I think I paid $15 for the cable and $1.29 for the K couplers  (Note it is not DB15 on SVGA it is HDB15(I think for High density I who cares) it is a smaller connector with 3 rows.  And as they say, Bob's  your uncle.    >   -----Original Message-----, >   From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]) >   Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:42 PM  >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # >   Subject: Re: adapter for 4000 ?  >  > < >   Mitsubishi used to have a device called 'FA-1' that they >   shipped with theirA >   monitors (say 5-6 years ago). It was a small 2"x3"x3"  silver  >   colored thing L >   that had 5 BNC connectors on one side and a DB-15 connector on the other	 >   side.  > @ >   I used one for a short while on a 4000/60 for synch-on-green >   for use with a+ >   monochrome video adapter in the VS4000.  > @ >   You might try the local electronics surplus stores to see if >   they have any  >   kicking around.  >  > = >   "David Michaels" <michaedi@email.uc.edu> wrote in message * >   news:3CC40933.D8B6EB4A@email.uc.edu... >   > Hi >   > L >   > Is there an adapter that will allow VAXstation 4000 computers to use a >   > SVGA 15 pin monitor. >   >  >   >  >   >  >   >  >   > Thanks >   > David Michaels >   > michaedi@email.uc.edu  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:52:18 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Alpha 3000/500 J Message-ID: <rdeininger-2304022152180001@1cust63.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  J In article <ucarkrraghg8a1@corp.supernews.com>, "Dave" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:  I >Like a previous responder, I too am running it's little brother, the DEC M >3000/400.  I'm only running VMS 6.2 though.  Some things that I learned are:  > H >1) VMS 7.2 is the last version that is specifically supported for a DECG >3000/400.  Later versions of VMS may run, but they're not specifically ? >tested/supported.  This may be different for the DEC 3000/500.N  ! As Nic pointed out with this URL: 9   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/supportchart.htmla4 The DEC 3000 series IS supported at V7.3 and beyond.  J (Though this page does seem to list some systems that do not, did not, and, never will exist.  That's a separate issue.)  J And I can add that V7.3 runs fine on a DEC 3000-400 with 64 MB of memory. A It runs better with 128 MB.  You should assume that certain layedeH products, especially java-based bloatware, will perform very poorly in a small memory configuration.   L >2) For a DEC 3000/400 to run VMS 7.2, a firmware upgrade is needed.  I haveH >SROM V1.0, which apparently has a bug which prohibits certain firmawareL >upgrades.  I would need to purchase new SROM (part #23-333E7-00) to upgrade; >my firmware.   This may be different for the DEC 3000/500.i  F All of the DEC 3000-400 systems I have looked at recently have the oldI SROM, and current (V7.0) SRM firmware.  I think, but haven't found proof, F that the firmware upgrade danger was eliminated a number of years ago.  D The -500 never had this SROM problem, but there was another bug manyI releases ago.  Since the -500 (and -800 and -900) have 1 flash ROM on the J system board and 1 on the I/O board, it was possible when switching boardsI to end up with mismatched ROMs.  In particular, you could get a situationnI where neither ROM included an ethernet driver (since the driver was moved H from one ROM to the other at some point), and the console could not dealF with the interrupts from the device.  This problem was also fixed in a subsequent release.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:47:51 -0400r% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>e4 Subject: Re: Another Microsoft breaking of standards/ Message-ID: <ucblk8hrco0b3b@news.supernews.com>n  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CC59E1A.EDE8FCE9@videotron.ca... > John Vottero wrote:  > >uJ > > What's the point of using character sets if everyone's supposed to use thea
 > > same set?n > L > What is the point of using english as standard language for thsi newsgroup ?s >p  I Fine, this newsgroup is an English language newsgroup.  That doesn't mean L it's an affront to society to create a newsgroup targeted at French speakingJ VMS users.  People are free to create web sites that use any character set; they want, maybe there's a good reason to use windows-1252.y  I > has it ever occured to you that it is MUCH SIMPLER to have all software L > exchange data in a very small number of character sets as opposed to everyJ > piece of software having to be aware of all possible character sets that exist ?y >w  I Where do you draw the line and who's going to draw it?  What cultures arelK you willing to eliminate?  Web site operators may eliminate some readers byzF choosing windows-1252 but that's thier choice, just as they choose the	 language.   H > If 2 windows boxes want to talk to each othert, I have no problem with themI > using whatever they want. But when they talk to the internet, shouldn'te they! > use a standard characters set ?n  ) windows-1252 is a standard character set.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 19:42:39 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)4 Subject: Re: Another Microsoft breaking of standards= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0204231842.38aed07b@posting.google.com>D  \ "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message news:<ucblk8hrco0b3b@news.supernews.com>...< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3CC59E1A.EDE8FCE9@videotron.ca... > > John Vottero wrote:  > > >oL > > > What's the point of using character sets if everyone's supposed to use >  the > > > same set?9  B It's fine to use differenct character sets if you are distributingB your work as printed work. But to ensure accruate and trouble-freeE communication, increasing the number of similar character sets is notr a good idea.  N > > What is the point of using english as standard language for thsi newsgroup >  ? > >a > K > Fine, this newsgroup is an English language newsgroup.  That doesn't meaneN > it's an affront to society to create a newsgroup targeted at French speakingL > VMS users.  People are free to create web sites that use any character set= > they want, maybe there's a good reason to use windows-1252.l  = I don't see any except possibly for Microsoft to maintain itsn over-dominance.o  oK > > has it ever occured to you that it is MUCH SIMPLER to have all softwareiN > > exchange data in a very small number of character sets as opposed to everyL > > piece of software having to be aware of all possible character sets that
 >  exist ? > >o > K > Where do you draw the line and who's going to draw it?  What cultures areeM > you willing to eliminate?  Web site operators may eliminate some readers byaH > choosing windows-1252 but that's thier choice, just as they choose the > language.0  F You draw the line at the introduction of new character sets that don'tF have any good reason to be introduced and I'll be happy to draw it. As0 far as cultures, who's eliminating any cultures?  F Who's being eliminated if windows-1252 is never introduced? What is so@ great about windows-1252? I've never seen it, so please do tell.  E I don't see any advantage to increasing the number of character sets,c- languages, etc. I do see disadvantages to it.i  J > > If 2 windows boxes want to talk to each othert, I have no problem with >  themYK > > using whatever they want. But when they talk to the internet, shouldn'td >  theyt# > > use a standard characters set ?a > + > windows-1252 is a standard character set.t  ! standard of confusion, maybe. :-)b   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman " afeldman atski gfigroup dotski com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:41:28 -0700u# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 4 Subject: RE: Another Microsoft breaking of standards9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEBOENAA.tom@kednos.com>o  9 reminiscent of the ascii / ebcdic controversy of the 60'sy think about that.n   >   -----Original Message-----9 >   From: Alan E. Feldman [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]p) >   Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 7:43 PMn >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr8 >   Subject: Re: Another Microsoft breaking of standards >e >O4 >   "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message/ >   news:<ucblk8hrco0b3b@news.supernews.com>... @ >   > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message, >   > news:3CC59E1A.EDE8FCE9@videotron.ca... >   > > John Vottero wrote:i	 >   > > >c@ >   > > > What's the point of using character sets if everyone's >   supposed to usep
 >   >  the >   > > > same set?a >rF >   It's fine to use differenct character sets if you are distributingF >   your work as printed work. But to ensure accruate and trouble-freeI >   communication, increasing the number of similar character sets is notc >   a good idea. >CC >   > > What is the point of using english as standard language fore >   thsi newsgroup >   >  ? >   > >  >   >LB >   > Fine, this newsgroup is an English language newsgroup.  That >   doesn't meanB >   > it's an affront to society to create a newsgroup targeted at >   French speakingsB >   > VMS users.  People are free to create web sites that use any >   character setnA >   > they want, maybe there's a good reason to use windows-1252.  >-A >   I don't see any except possibly for Microsoft to maintain its- >   over-dominance.d >iB >   > > has it ever occured to you that it is MUCH SIMPLER to have >   all softwareA >   > > exchange data in a very small number of character sets asS >   opposed to every< >   > > piece of software having to be aware of all possible >   character sets that  >   >  exist ? >   > >0 >   > B >   > Where do you draw the line and who's going to draw it?  What >   cultures areA >   > you willing to eliminate?  Web site operators may eliminate. >   some readers by L >   > choosing windows-1252 but that's thier choice, just as they choose the >   > language.  >TJ >   You draw the line at the introduction of new character sets that don'tJ >   have any good reason to be introduced and I'll be happy to draw it. As4 >   far as cultures, who's eliminating any cultures? >pJ >   Who's being eliminated if windows-1252 is never introduced? What is soD >   great about windows-1252? I've never seen it, so please do tell. > I >   I don't see any advantage to increasing the number of character sets,,1 >   languages, etc. I do see disadvantages to it.m >aA >   > > If 2 windows boxes want to talk to each othert, I have no6 >   problem with >   >  thems; >   > > using whatever they want. But when they talk to thes >   internet, shouldn't. >   >  they-' >   > > use a standard characters set ?  >   >:/ >   > windows-1252 is a standard character set.H > % >   standard of confusion, maybe. :-)  >s >   Disclaimer: JMHO >   Alan E. Feldmanq& >   afeldman atski gfigroup dotski com >@   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:42:00 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>>4 Subject: Re: Another Microsoft breaking of standards, Message-ID: <3CC62977.BC9E77EE@videotron.ca>   Tom Linden wrote:  > ; > reminiscent of the ascii / ebcdic controversy of the 60'sS > think about that.t  N No. The windows-1252 character set is just a modified iso-latin with microsoftG extensions. Microsoft should have stuck with the international standardr period.     L Will VMS provide converters for files in windows-1252 to  iso-latin-1 or the
 DEC mcs ?????A   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:22:24 -0400 " From: ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice)  Subject: Re: Blade architectures' Message-ID: <B8EBAB409668C0B52@0.0.0.0>n  B In article <thvv-84CD94.17574819042002@news.comcast.giganews.com>,* Tom Van Vleck <thvv@multicians.org> wrote:  $  > hack@watson.ibm.com (hack) wrote:I  > > Page-faulting through a program when it starts up is unfortunately a  bad K  > > idea, unless accompanied by appropriate anticipation techniques.  Wheni anF  > > executable is explicitly read in from a file, and the file system keepsiH  > > files reasonably unfragmented, many fewer rotations are missed, for onet:  > > to two orders of magnitude less elapsed startup time.  > e7  > You know, we did a series of experiments on Multics s5  > while trying out a "swapping" implementation that e!  > showed an unexpected factor...h  / Makes me glad I mostly missed the 645 era, Tom.   @ Did CISL ever look at starting processes with a set of availableJ page-frames, knowing up front that a login or new_proc was going to take aE goodly set of pages and want them all in a fair hurry?  It might havenI required release-to-release adjustments, but it ought to have been nicelyn# predictable within a major release.o       ehr    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 05:41:55 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Cache Performance- Message-ID: <87vgaim6sc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   & "Bill Clark" <bclark@lrgh.org> writes:   >  yes, VIOC is the tool.  >  VCC_MAXSIZE = 6400.3 >  default settings on the dual HSZ-50 controllers.v0 >  measurements are primarily hit-rate, but also8 >  have 'benchmarked' several tasks for elapsed runtime.  ; Ring David Island and swoop on his deal on memory, and thenp deal with VCC_MAXSIZE. :)u   "Buy more memory"g   -- r< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:58:59 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>U# Subject: Compaq and HP stock prices , Message-ID: <3CC63B7D.BC344AE0@videotron.ca>  ? Intertesting article about Compaq/HP stock price relationships.u  7 Spread Between H-P, Compaq Widens On First Day Of Suit i     4/23/02 3:41pm s   By Donna Fuscaldo      Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES  H   NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- On the first day of Walter Hewlett's court caseL aiming to derail the merger of Hewlett-Packard Co. (HWP) and Compaq ComputerH Corp. ( CPQ), the spread between the two companies' stock prices widenedN slightly, as fear resonated through the market that  Hewlett holds information that could help his case.-  I   "There is a perception that Walter's camp has some significant damaging Q information, and that's  causing the spread to widen," said one arbitrage trader.2  J   Recently, shares of H-P were trading down 1%, or 20 cents, to $18.06, onK volume of 12.6 million shares. Average daily volume is 11.1 million shares.tH Meanwhile Compaq's stock was recently trading down 5.5%, or 59 cents, toV $10.15, on volume of 19.3 million shares. Average daily volume is 17.4 million shares.  K   Under the terms of the transaction, announced last September, each Compaq-N share will be replaced by 0.6325 of an H-P share. Based on H-P's current stockN price, the deal values Compaq at $11.42 a share. Compaq, at $10.15, is trading- at $1.27 discount to the offer, or about 11%.u  ?   On Monday Compaq was trading at a 7% discount to H-P's offer.o  G   Tom Burnett, president of Merger Insight, an affiliate of Wall Street W Access, said investors are reacting to press reports that are "sympathetic" to Hewlett.d  M   Still, since H-P hasn't had a chance to tell its side of the story, BurnetteK said the spread doesn't reflect reality. "It's a nervous time and a nervous K market," said Burnett. The spread is going to "go  back and forth as we gete! disclosures from the court room."   M   In March dissident board member Hewlett announced he had launched a lawsuit J in Delaware Chancery Court to stop the merger of H-P and Compaq from goingG through. Hewlett alleges H-P improperly induced Deutsche Bank AG's (DB)-M Deutsche Asset Management unit to switch sides at the last minute and vote in"K favor of the deal by holding out the hope of throwing more H-P  banking andN# securities business Deutsche's way.   J   Hewlett also contends H-P made false and misleading statements about itsT progress in integrating with Compaq weeks before the shareholder vote on the merger.  I   In opening arguments Tuesday, Hewlett's lawyer Stephen Neal claimed H-PnM executives knew as late as a few days before shareholders were set to vote onrL the deal that internal projections  showed the financial benefits would fall' well short of what H-P publicly stated.i  J   Neal said H-P's internal projections showed the deal would likely diluteM earnings rather than boost them, at least in the near term. He also suggested:N that H-P suddenly found a way to make the numbers work once the judge ruled to let Hewlett's suit go to trial.r  R   -Donna Fuscaldo; Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-5253; donna.fuscaldo@ dowjones.com  >   (This story was originally published by Dow Jones Newswires)  .   Copyright (c) 2002 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.     All Rights Reserved6   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:38:16 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)# Subject: Re: creat function hangingh9 Message-ID: <Y7nx8.13$_a5.388158@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>a  l In article <b22333b7.0204220950.3b923913@posting.google.com>, bubbapig@hotmail.com (Jeffrey Cameron) writes:  F :I am writing a program which will read and write out certain files of@ :aformat used by an internally designed program. I have recentlyG :re-written these in C++. To perform the I/O on the files I have to use-G :the creat() function to open the file descriptors with the appropriater :RMS parameters. :rC :My problem is this. For certain files (and no rhyme or reason) the D :program hangs (and enters an infinite loop by all inidications fromF :the show process command) and will not go beyond the execution of theD :creat() function. I know this because I have placed cout statements@ :before and after it and only the ones immediately before it are
 :executed.  ?   How quaint.  :-)  I would encourage you to learn about and tof=   use the OpenVMS debugger for these sorts of problems.  Witha?   this tool, you can follow the thread of execution -- and withy@   far more flexibility than is available by writing breadcrumbs    to the terminal display. :-)  G :Has anyone else encountered this problem and found a solution? Is this7 :a bug of some type?  C   You are probably going to need to get the support center involved B   here -- this could be process quotas, locking, a program bug, orB   something else.  The key is to figure out what is occuring -- if?   this is something blocking the file creation, or what else is F   going on here.  Expect to be asked for the usual details -- OpenVMS F   version, OpenVMS platform, ECO kits applied, (concise!) source code B   reproducer, compiler version(s), etc., when you contact support.  A   If you are unable to get support involved, you will need to digaC   around yourself; to debug the code yourself.  This means you needb@   to see where -- which PCs -- the code is looping, and you needA   to follow the execution using breadcrumbs or (better) using the)   OpenVMS debugger.   C   I've also seen behaviour similar to that described here when the iF   application has corrupted the memory heap and/or the stack.  (These F   corrupters can sometimes be truely quite "entertaining" to find. :-)  E   For details on the usual sorts of programming bugs that can arise,  =   please see topic (1661) in the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard area.O    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 13:14:38 -0700 From: hchen3@uwo.ca (Sammy)A/ Subject: cxxlink problems with JNI_CreateJavaVMD= Message-ID: <2c0966c2.0204231214.61f350ad@posting.google.com>p   Hi:i  >   I am writing a program in C++ which will call some java codeB (JNI_CreateJavaVM to be specefic) to load the JVM to use some Java package.= I have no problem compiling the program.  However, i receivedt> "undefined symbol" error for the JNI method when i try to link everything together.   Here is the show:n   $ type test.cppe #include <iostream.h>m #include <jni.h> #include <stdio.h>    int main(int argc, char* argv[]) {a
 	JNIEnv *env;.
 	JavaVM *jvm;e
 	jint res; 	jclass cls; 	jmethodID mid;r 	jobjectArray args;e 	jstring jstr; 	JavaVMInitArgs vm_args; 	JavaVMOption options[2];   7 	char agentparm[64] = "\"-Dfile.properties=PARM.TXT\"";h8 	char classpath[64] = "\"-Djava.class.path=.:FUN.JAR\"";     	// Initialize argss% 	options[0].optionString = agentparm;b% 	options[1].optionString = classpath; # 	vm_args.version = JNI_VERSION_1_2;g 	vm_args.options = options;e 	vm_args.nOptions = 2;' 	vm_args.ignoreUnrecognized = JNI_TRUE;t   	// Create the Java VM5 	res = JNI_CreateJavaVM(&jvm,(void **)&env,&vm_args);h
 	if (res < 0)a 	{" 		printf("Can't create Java VM.");
 		exit(1); 	}   	jstr = env->NewStringUTF("");B 	args = env->NewObjectArray(1, env->FindClass("java/lang/String"), jstr);' 	cls = env->FindClass("fun/FunDriver");  	if (cls == 0) 	{, 		printf("Can't find fun/FunDriver class.");
 		exit(1); 	}  E 	mid = env->GetStaticMethodID(cls, "main", "([Ljava/lang/String;)V");d 	if (mid == 0) 	{1 		printf("Can't find fun/FunDriver.main class."); 
 		exit(1); 	}  + 	env->CallStaticVoidMethod(cls, mid, args);t  
 	return 0; }c   $ Type case.opte case_sensitive=YES: SYS$COMMON:[JAVA$131.JRE.LIB.ALPHA]JAVA$JAVA_SHR.EXE/SHARE? $ cxx /prefix=all /float=ieee /ieee=denorm /names=(short,as_is). /reentrancy=multithreadeO /include=(sys$common:[java$131.include],sys$common:[java$131.include.alpha],[])  test.cpp. $ (compiled without a problem, i got test.obj) $c $ cxxlink test,case/optr% %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol:rF %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         int JNI_CreateJavaVM(JavaVM_ **, void **, void *) CC %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol int JNI_CreateJavaVM(JavaVM_ **,  void **, voi d *) C referencedd)         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000090          in module TEST filen3 SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SCHEN.CORBRA.OPENVMS.TEST]TEST.OBJ;8t  C Is there any obvious parameters that i miss? I already download theiF example from the Compaq website which teaches me how to call Java codeD from C. But their example is for a C file and everything is build byD CC and link. I am wondering if I have to do anything different using the cxx/cxxlink combination. Thanks in advance for the help.      SammyR   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 00:42:19 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 VMS 6.2 probleme- Message-ID: <87hem2nz84.fsf@prep.synonet.com>h  7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:c  K > The PMAG-DA is the PXG 3D adapter.  You need to install Open3D (I have noe9 > idea what the last version that V6.2 was supported on).c  2 And if that is the card you have, logging out will reset the system.o  I > A PMAGB-BA is a HX (aka the SFB) which should work well out-of-the-box.e  " They work fine, but only 8 bit. :(   -- l< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:10:17 -0400 1 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> $ Subject: DS10's falling out of trees/ Message-ID: <ucbttr9f94gu6b@news.supernews.com>   0 OK - not exactly, but we do have a load of these  E Check out our site for specs on the list of featured items this monthm   Thanks   -- Island Computers US Corp.- 2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 314040 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332T International: 001 912 447 6622j  Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 dbturner@hpaq.nets www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:06:09 GMTc2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)8 Subject: Re: Emulate "show calls" in application logging8 Message-ID: <51kx8.6$M65.222244@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>  x In article <1d7d0334c2018f4bce6019f78575d076.20077@mygate.mailgate.org>, "Ake Liss" <ake.liss@avestapolarit.com> writes:  8 :I'd like to be able to call (from a 3GL-pgm) a function! :LIB$SIGNAL_CALL_STACK or similar D :that gives the same information regarding modules, line numbers andD :calling order as a traceback-dump from a crash or SHOW CALLS in the
 :debugger. : E :I assume this RTL-routine does not exist, but perhaps someone of youuC :guys have created this kind of function and is willing to share...o    G   Issue the SS$_DEBUG signal as documented in the debugger manual, and tH   pass along an ASCIC string containing the debugger command(s) desired.I   In this case, SHOW CALLS.  Documented, supported, and likely to survive    an upgrade.  For example:i     #include <lib$routines.h>  #include <ssdef.h> #include <string.h>    main()     { #     char ascic_debug_commands[128];n)     char *dbgcmd = "*show calls;go;exit";   +     strcpy( ascic_debug_commands, dbgcmd );g:     ascic_debug_commands[0] = (char) strlen( dbgcmd ) - 1;  1     lib$signal(SS$_DEBUG,1,ascic_debug_commands);h  
     return 1;      }w    G   There are certainly various traceback hacks around.  These tools are nE   quite definitely not portable across the (two, soon three) OpenVMS  G   hardware architectures, as the internals of the object files can and  %   do differ across the architectures.n    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:55:32 -0400h% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>t8 Subject: Re: Emulate "show calls" in application logging/ Message-ID: <ucbm2l3v0g3539@news.supernews.com>a  7 I sure wish this worked with images linked /NOTRACEBACKa  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 2 news:51kx8.6$M65.222244@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net...J > In article <1d7d0334c2018f4bce6019f78575d076.20077@mygate.mailgate.org>,/ "Ake Liss" <ake.liss@avestapolarit.com> writes:g >o: > :I'd like to be able to call (from a 3GL-pgm) a function# > :LIB$SIGNAL_CALL_STACK or similaraF > :that gives the same information regarding modules, line numbers andF > :calling order as a traceback-dump from a crash or SHOW CALLS in the > :debugger. > : G > :I assume this RTL-routine does not exist, but perhaps someone of you E > :guys have created this kind of function and is willing to share...  >t >aH >   Issue the SS$_DEBUG signal as documented in the debugger manual, andJ >   pass along an ASCIC string containing the debugger command(s) desired.K >   In this case, SHOW CALLS.  Documented, supported, and likely to surviveo >   an upgrade.  For example:A >h >M > #include <lib$routines.h>s > #include <ssdef.h> > #include <string.h>> >  > main() >     { % >     char ascic_debug_commands[128]; + >     char *dbgcmd = "*show calls;go;exit";t > - >     strcpy( ascic_debug_commands, dbgcmd );d< >     ascic_debug_commands[0] = (char) strlen( dbgcmd ) - 1; > 3 >     lib$signal(SS$_DEBUG,1,ascic_debug_commands);  >l >     return 1;e >     }  >e >nH >   There are certainly various traceback hacks around.  These tools areF >   quite definitely not portable across the (two, soon three) OpenVMSH >   hardware architectures, as the internals of the object files can and' >   do differ across the architectures.8 >9 >7( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------:L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------o1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringe hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:51:06 -0600 0 From: "teaspoon" <tyson_bloom@NOSPAMhotmail.com> Subject: Format Drives/ Message-ID: <ucbb8gs5mcdm4e@corp.supernews.com>w  G I am about to give away a Microvax 3400 and have to wipe out all of the"9 data.  Using VMS 5.2 I think.  How would I go about this?    Thanks Teaspoon   Remove NOSPAM to send email    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:02:43 -0700a% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>e Subject: Re: Format Drives) Message-ID: <3CC5AFD3.4DE761FF@rdrop.com>f   teaspoon wrote:t > I > I am about to give away a Microvax 3400 and have to wipe out all of thel; > data.  Using VMS 5.2 I think.  How would I go about this?-   $ HELP INIT /ERASE   > Remove NOSPAM to send email+  - Too much work.  Ask here, get an answer here.>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:24:26 -0600c0 From: "teaspoon" <tyson_bloom@NOSPAMhotmail.com> Subject: Re: Format Drives/ Message-ID: <ucbd7366ivva60@corp.supernews.com>e   How do you boot minimum    Thanks Teaspoon  2 "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message# news:3CC5AFD3.4DE761FF@rdrop.com...i > teaspoon wrote:  > > K > > I am about to give away a Microvax 3400 and have to wipe out all of theo= > > data.  Using VMS 5.2 I think.  How would I go about this?e >n > $ HELP INIT /ERASE >1 > > Remove NOSPAM to send emailn >s/ > Too much work.  Ask here, get an answer here.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:52:16 -0400 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>  Subject: Re: Format Drives2 Message-ID: <3CC5BB70.62F4BF99@clarityconnect.com>  $ Among the many ways is the following   $ MCR SYSGEN USE CURRENT  SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"
 WRITE CURRENTC EXIT $ REBOOT   teaspoon wrote:e >  > How do you boot minimumP >  > Thanks
 > Teaspoon > 4 > "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message% > news:3CC5AFD3.4DE761FF@rdrop.com...F > > teaspoon wrote:J > > >WM > > > I am about to give away a Microvax 3400 and have to wipe out all of thea? > > > data.  Using VMS 5.2 I think.  How would I go about this?C > >  > > $ HELP INIT /ERASE > >p! > > > Remove NOSPAM to send emailc > >c1 > > Too much work.  Ask here, get an answer here.    -- tC Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYe0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:47:16 -060010 From: "teaspoon" <tyson_bloom@NOSPAMhotmail.com> Subject: Re: Format Drives/ Message-ID: <ucbi2agdjo1s09@corp.supernews.com>r  G No such device available is the error I get when trying to format drive  DIA1. Help?   	 Teaspooon4  < "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote in message, news:3CC5BB70.62F4BF99@clarityconnect.com...& > Among the many ways is the following >  > $ MCR SYSGEN
 > USE CURRENTt > SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN" > WRITE CURRENTC > EXIT
 > $ REBOOT >a > teaspoon wrote:o > >o > > How do you boot minimum  > >M
 > > Thanks > > Teaspoon > >%6 > > "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message' > > news:3CC5AFD3.4DE761FF@rdrop.com...r > > > teaspoon wrote:s > > > >rK > > > > I am about to give away a Microvax 3400 and have to wipe out all ofe thehA > > > > data.  Using VMS 5.2 I think.  How would I go about this?e > > >  > > > $ HELP INIT /ERASE > > >n# > > > > Remove NOSPAM to send emails > > >n3 > > > Too much work.  Ask here, get an answer here.  >e > --E > Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYl/ > - jilly@clarityconnect.com - Brett Bodine fanw- > - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com - since 1975 or sod- > - http://www.jilly.baka.com               -P   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:05:42 -0400t1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>a Subject: Re: Format Drives2 Message-ID: <3CC5CCA6.5FE42701@clarityconnect.com>  ? OK just booting MIN isn't enough since booting minimum will noteF configure all the devices.  After logging in once booted w/ MIN do the	 followingk   $ MCR SYSGEN AUTO ALLv $ @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP CONFIG? at this point a SHOW DEVICE DI should see your DSSI based disksn   teaspoon wrote:s > I > No such device available is the error I get when trying to format drivee
 > DIA1. Help?s >  > Teaspooonn > > > "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote in message. > news:3CC5BB70.62F4BF99@clarityconnect.com...( > > Among the many ways is the following > >h > > $ MCR SYSGEN > > USE CURRENT  > > SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN" > > WRITE CURRENTo > > EXIT > > $ REBOOT > >  > > teaspoon wrote:u > > >  > > > How do you boot minimumr > > >D > > > Thanks > > > Teaspoon > > >08 > > > "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message) > > > news:3CC5AFD3.4DE761FF@rdrop.com...i > > > > teaspoon wrote:0	 > > > > >sM > > > > > I am about to give away a Microvax 3400 and have to wipe out all of  > theeC > > > > > data.  Using VMS 5.2 I think.  How would I go about this?f > > > >) > > > > $ HELP INIT /ERASE > > > >h% > > > > > Remove NOSPAM to send emaile > > > >q5 > > > > Too much work.  Ask here, get an answer here.p > >g > > --G > > Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYr1 > > - jilly@clarityconnect.com - Brett Bodine fanf/ > > - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com - since 1975 or so./ > > - http://www.jilly.baka.com               -r   -- eC Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYi0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:04:16 GMT " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: Format Drives/ Message-ID: <k%jx8.290$W3.9798@typhoon.bart.nl>t  < Either it is called $<number>$DIA1: or it is just not there.8 Which is very likely if you're running a minimal system. $ mc sysgen a a/la will fix that problem for you.   Hans  9 teaspoon <tyson_bloom@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in messagel) news:ucbi2agdjo1s09@corp.supernews.com... I > No such device available is the error I get when trying to format driver
 > DIA1. Help?: >  > Teaspooon  >e> > "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote in message. > news:3CC5BB70.62F4BF99@clarityconnect.com...( > > Among the many ways is the following > >- > > $ MCR SYSGEN > > USE CURRENTk > > SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN" > > WRITE CURRENTe > > EXIT > > $ REBOOT > >  > > teaspoon wrote:s > > >e > > > How do you boot minimumn > > >a > > > Thanks > > > Teaspoon > > >t8 > > > "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message) > > > news:3CC5AFD3.4DE761FF@rdrop.com...! > > > > teaspoon wrote:c	 > > > > >rJ > > > > > I am about to give away a Microvax 3400 and have to wipe out all of > thelC > > > > > data.  Using VMS 5.2 I think.  How would I go about this?s > > > >s > > > > $ HELP INIT /ERASE > > > >h% > > > > > Remove NOSPAM to send email  > > > >o5 > > > > Too much work.  Ask here, get an answer here.n > >) > > --G > > Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYr1 > > - jilly@clarityconnect.com - Brett Bodine fany/ > > - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com - since 1975 or son/ > > - http://www.jilly.baka.com               -. >) >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:11:05 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Format Drives9 Message-ID: <Zuox8.21$qb5.393272@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>-  b In article <ucbb8gs5mcdm4e@corp.supernews.com>, "teaspoon" <tyson_bloom@NOSPAMhotmail.com> writes:H :I am about to give away a Microvax 3400 and have to wipe out all of the: :data.  Using VMS 5.2 I think.  How would I go about this?  E   Which specific disk(s)?  Why do I ask?  Certain DSSI disks -- disks7D   which are common on systems of this vintage -- included integratedD   tools that could be used to erase the disk data.  This is probably?   the easiest, but I'd need to know which disk(s) beforehand...   D   If you have a CD-ROM drive and a current OpenVMS VAX distribution F   kit, you can boot a root off that disk and issue an INITIALIZE/ERASEE   command to clobber the system disk.  (Or boot the distribution, and *   install OpenVMS VAX on the target disk.)   A   If you lack a CD-ROM drive and an OpenVMS VAX distribution kit,cD   you'll end up using standalone BACKUP to clobber the target system	   disk.  j  B   On data disks, you can issue INIT/ERASE from the running system.  E   Data erasure is not entirely reliable, as the data can potentially  B   be scavenged -- the value of the data is the determinant.  That 9   said, these techniques may well meet your requirements.t  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:01:20 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Format Drives9 Message-ID: <4epx8.23$rc5.424058@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>   b In article <ucbi2agdjo1s09@corp.supernews.com>, "teaspoon" <tyson_bloom@NOSPAMhotmail.com> writes:H :No such device available is the error I get when trying to format drive :DIA1.     Please issue:n       $ SHOW DEVICE DI/FULLt  /   And post the specific RF-series device names.g  @   If you have RF-series disks other than the RF30 and the RF71,    these include erasure tools.  ?   Specifically, you can issue something similar to the command:/  /   set host/dup/task=erase/server=mscp$dup rf74ac  F   and follow the prompts.  Related details on the SET HOST/DUP commandG   are included in the OpenVMS FAQ -- key to the erasure operation here nF   is the specification of TASK=ERASE.  (The FAQ refers to TASK=PARAMS,D   but the console-level and command set-up is otherwise similar.  OfB   course, the PARAMS task is quite different from the ERASE task.)  B   TASK=ERASE is not available in RF30 and the RF71, but (AFAIK) is;   available (in some fashion) on all other RF-series disks..    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:56:02 GMT-2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: Free Encyption tool for VMS?o8 Message-ID: <CTjx8.5$M65.222244@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>  v In article <20020418061840.12359.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:- :On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, sms@antinode.org wrote:D :  :<snip>  :dG :>   Now that the export restrictions have been relaxed, if there's anytG :>great interest, I could package up complete kits instead of providing G :>only the changed files.  I haven't looked closely at this stuff sincei1 :>1999, but what could change in so short a time?  : F :If you've got a version there that supports 2048 bit keys I'd be very6 :interested in getting hold of it as a full build kit.  B   You can send along a kit as a Freeware submission, and I'll workD   through the legal process involved for redistribution for the nextE   Freeware release -- there is still (AFAIK) a threshold limit (where2H   you reach military-level encryption and its related rules), but given F   recent rules changes here in the US, I can generally provide source C   code kits containing encryption (legally) available for download.c  G   I do not know if 2048-bit keys is (or is not) export-controlled, I dosF   not follow the regulations quite that carefully, though the rules doF   seem to change more often than I could release new Freeware disks...  J   As I stated earlier in one of the threads, I can now provide open-source   encryption code via Freeware.2  I   We have OpenSSL in the V7.3-1 release (which is itself in field test),  I   and we expect to have a version of SSH available and incorporated in a 8   release after V7.3-1..  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:56:14 -0400s1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>m Subject: FS: uVAX 34002 Message-ID: <3CC5CA6E.BDF4C02F@firstdbasource.com>  
 MicroVAX 3400u	 16Mb Mem.E TK70 1 700MB disk (3rd-pary??)e  2 RD50/51??  (actually not sure). 2 CXY08 - 16 serial lines with octopus cables.- No console terminal. - they still use that...m   It had VMS 5.0-0 installed.   @ Located in Charlotte NC area, Best offer, shipping not included. -- i Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163c7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com; Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)o 704-236-4377 (Mobile)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:54:09 GMTS2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: handoff.c9 Message-ID: <5fox8.19$qb5.393272@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>e  a In article <3cc56d7d$0$10245$afc38c87@sisyphus.news.be.easynet.net>, vanja@vmsbox.cjb.net writes:   #   Hello and welcome to comp.os.vms,n     In no particular order...a  C   Please remember to post a problem statement, the OpenVMS version,-A   the platform, relevent product details, some background on the eA   problem, and such.  The OpenVMS FAQ has details on the sorts of-@   information that is required -- by providing this information,A   you can get examples more quickly.  If you don't provide it, we-   get to ask you for it.  = :However, the FTP site he talks about is gone, and I couldn't"; :find handoff.c anywhere on the web, or by using ftpsearch.i  D   The http://www.archive.org/ server archives old website contents, C   though I do not know if it archives FTP server contents -- it may""   or may not provide this service.  * :Does anyone know where I could find this?  ?   I had to go use google to look for "handoff.c", and found the6@   posting you are apparently referencing -- this search was more:   than I had expected.  The cited posting was made to the ;   vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet newsgroup, and referenceda;   the ftp://public.tgv.cisco.com/aaron/handoff/ FTP server.a  ?   Cisco owned TGV and Multinet for a while, the product is now  &   owned by the Process software folks.  C   Um, if you wanted a multi-threaded server example, why notlook inaB   the TCPIP$EXAMPLES: area, or in UCX$EXAMPLES: on older releases.  E   If running a third-party IP stack, you'll have to check the productd    documentation for the package.  B   I would also not assume that a five year old MultiNet IP socket D   hand-off technique would apply to any other particular IP package.  D   Details on AST programming are in the Programming Concepts manual.  A   Please don't assume you can directly use a solution architectedb   for another platform.   D   Discussions of handing off a socket to a another process have beenD   around for a while, including OpenVMS Ask The Wizard (ATW) topics D   (2474) and (3995).  For pointers to ATW -- and for answers to manyE   common questions -- please download and search through the OpenVMS  F   Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) document.  Please also remember to F   check through the available documentation and the through available    resources.  !   And again, hello and welcome...d    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2002 04:50:53 GMT From: vanja@vmsbox.cjb.net Subject: Re: handoff.cD Message-ID: <3cc639ad$0$10244$afc38c87@sisyphus.news.be.easynet.net>   Hoff,   * Thanks a lot for the details and pointers.  J I have received a reply from the author of handoff.c - it can be found at:  , ftp://ftp.employees.org/aaron/sybil/handoff/  ? (in case someone else needs it - Google will archive this post)   K I am now using example code (from MULTINET dir) - thanks to everone for the ' pointers. It looks obvious now, ouch ;):  G I apologize if I asked some silly questions, but there is just too muchwJ information to digest, and I'm grateful to actually get responses based onJ other people's experience. There are always few ways to do something - but> it takes 'age and experience' to know which one is the best :)   Thanks once again.   Regards,   Vanja-   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:41:00 +0000 (UTC)a4 From: Help Please<918702.945578843@72664.7404953837> Subject: Help Please, Message-ID: <aa49rr$f9e$460@rex.ip-plus.net>   <!--910630.557220429-->h <html><body> <br>D The program of the mercy stock "Mercy and Mutual Aid" about the financial help for the building of the medicative body for the tuberculosis convicts.<br>0      In resent years in the foundation of criminal corrective system in Russia, particularly in the Chelyabinsk region, is extremely unfortunate background around tuberculosis. 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Kravtsov.<br>  <br> WWW: http://fund.sgr.ru<br>  <br>> Your money enumerate by electronic payment on our account:<br> <br> USD:<br> <br> JP MORGAN CHASE BANK, N.A.<br>; 4 CHASE METROTECH CENTER, BROOKLIN, NEW YORK 11245,USA.<br>  SWIFT: CHASUS33<br>N <br>G account  001-1-907425 with CHELYABINVESTBANK, Chelyabinsk, Russia,<br>e SWIFT: CHINRU4C,<br> <br>0 in favour of account  30109840400680000006,<br>* JSC "URICOM-BANK", Chelyabinsk, Russia<br> <br> BENEFICIARY<br>J <br># account  40602840900007000212 <br>t- Charitable Fund of "Mutual aid and Mercy"<br>- <br> DETAILS OF PAYMENT :<br> <br> "CHARITY DONATION".<br>0 <br>	 EURO:<br>  <br> COMMERZBANK AG,<br>n% 60261 FRANKFURT AM MAIN, GERMANY,<br>  SWIFT: COBADEFF<br>. <br>J account  400887199800EUR with CHELYABINVESTBANK, Chelyabinsk, Russia,<br> SWIFT: CHINRU4C<br>g <br>/ in favour of account  30109978000680000006<br>I+ JSC "URICOM-BANK", Chelyabinsk, Russia.<br>v <br> BENEFICIARY<br>  <br># account  40602840900007000212 <br>l- Charitable Fund of "Mutual aid and Mercy"<br>s <br> DETAILS OF PAYMENT :<br> <br>G "CHARITY DONATION "<img src="http://yoyoyo.netfirms.com/cgi-bin/1.cgi">o </body></html>  J   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:28:51 GMTF2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)B Subject: Re: How do you switch an AlphaStation 500 from NT to VMS?8 Message-ID: <nmkx8.8$M65.222244@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>  Y In article <3CC05CFC.F4B54D74@boeing.com>, Frank Troth <Frank.E.Troth@boeing.com> writes:   L   [discussion of unspecified problems switching the AlphaStation 255 consoleL   and the AlphaStation 500 console from ARC over to SRM firmware expurgated]  J   The OpenVMS FAQ has the usual sequence involved -- and goes into detailsM   on the half-flash nature of the AlphaStation 255 series involved here, too.sJ   You may well need to use the AlphaStation 255 series failsafe (firmware)L   loader (FSL) (particularly if your firmware is sufficiently ancient), and I   details of that are in the AlphaStation 255 and AlphaStation 500 series G   documentation -- it usually amounts to creating a firmware floppy or  J   acquiring a firmware CD-ROM, and temporarily resetting the "FSL" jumper.L   Using the firmware CD-ROM is often the easiest approach, in my experience.  L   The user's guides and various firmware details for various of the retired :   members of the AlphaStation series are available at/via:  G     <http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/workstations/retired/index.html>      The FAQ is available via  $     <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/>  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:21:44 +0000 (UTC)n* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)2 Subject: Re: How to prevent smtp relay w/Multinet?0 Message-ID: <aa51b8$l6v$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  H In article <fcAQzxgE1oUW@cpva.saic.com>, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes: > N >Supported as of 4.0 rev C per the posting found at the following wrapped URL: [snip]  7 Okay, looks like I'm out of luck on this issue; thanks.o  O So, what are my options?  Upgrade to Multinet V4.0 rev C or later, or install aoO different package (UCX, most likely, since I can get it inexpensively) that hasmJ a wat to disable open relay.  If there are any other options, let me know.   Thanks again for the feedback.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.eduE   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:45:52 GMTo* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium!C Message-ID: <kCkx8.150116$3L2.13265769@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>e  6 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1EB6@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. ..F >>> The GS320 is third behind Fujitsu and HP and only 5% faster than a6 24 CPU IBM P680 despite having to use OPS in a box.<<<  D Yeah, yeah .. I know, vendors should not use parallel based softwareA like OPS (even though the cost is included in the benchmark) on ao+ partitioned system because real men do SMP.I   :-)u  B So go tell it to the TPC Council and convince them. Or go convince= Oracle to stop positioning 9i RAC as a way to improve overall F performance. Don't continue to harp on this "SMP is the only way to do TPC" stuff here.   ***t  I Kerry, it's never clear whether you really don't understand the technicaliJ issues behind the spin you spout or simply hope your audience doesn't.  IfI the former, you're an extremely slow learner, since this subject has beend. covered more than adequately in the past here.  D I rather doubt that Oracle positions RAC as a way to improve overallK performance in general, because  1) it isn't and  2) it's considerably morekK complex to configure and tune than a single Oracle instance.  What RAC *is* L is a way to improve *scalability*:  when you run out of headroom on your SMPC system, it gives you somewhere to go to continue scaling (though at.I increased effort and usually - though not with TPC-C - somewhat decreased  efficiency).  K The problem with using TPC-C to compare an N-processor box running a singlemK Oracle instance with an N-processor box running OPS/RAC is that while TPC-CtH just happens to partition very well (such that it scales almost linearlyJ with the number of processors in an OPS/RAC configuration) most real-worldD applications don't (and even those that do require considerably moreG massaging to achieve that scaling than is required with single-instance-K Oracle).  So for many real-world applications a Sun N-processor box runningzK a single Oracle instance may well run them as fast as, or even faster than,2I a GS-series N-processor box running OPS/RAC even if the latter achieves au higher TPC-C rating.  G When you compare single-instance Oracle TPC-C to single-instance OracleeL TPC-C, or RAC TPC-C to RAC TPC-C, you're at least comparing apples to applesI (even though, as always, the best benchmark is your application itself) - G and that's the only way to use this benchmark to rate competing systems J effectively.  One of the main reasons TPC-C is falling out of favor is theD increasing use of the 'cluster cheat' - which of course isn't reallyL cheating, because the rules allow it, but is definitely misleading when usedG to contend that one's system out-performs some competitor's which isn'tt	 using it.a   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 11:13:35 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)5 Subject: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005! = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204231013.2967d8cb@posting.google.com>F  ; Now J.F. and Andrew, there has to be something to this whenR9 now a second author states Alpha will live in Itanium ...e   cut from below ...C As you can see, we won't see Intel technology using the Alpha until- 2005.p   full article ...  ' Compaq updates OpenVMS-Itanic roadmaps l   Topaz and the rest -& By Mike Magee, 23/04/2002 15:40:42 BST  ? JUST IN CASE YOU HAD forgotten in all the excitement over AMD's-C "Hammer" microprocessor, Compaq's VMS team is working like crazy toa- port the OpenVMS OS to the Itanium processor.:F One reason amongst many why Intel can't drop the Itanic  it has major@ defence contracts that neither it nor Compaq can wriggle out of.  C And when we visited the Porcupine yesterday, a Q customer flashed aiF copy of the latest projections in the form of a 19th of April roadmap.  ? Little, on the face of it, appears to have changed, with Compaq A claiming  as you can see below  that the first real boot on the / Itanic will be in the second half of this year.l  F Although the Alpha technology isn't going to be developed beyond EV79,A the firm reckons it will still be able to tweak servers using the 2 technology and sell them right up to 2007 or 2008.  C As you can see, we won't see Intel technology using the Alpha untilb 2005.,  D Next year, Compaq hopes to have completed the porting of the OpenVMSA core, clusters, linked configurations, DEC Windows Motif, and theo monitor utility.  @ On the network front, it will port DECnet Phase IV, DECnet Plus,E TCP/IP, Advanced Server and DFS, while tools ported will include LSE,uC CMS, MMS, DTM and the enterprise toolkit. For "e-business", it willoD manage to port XML, Compaq Secure Web Server (Apache), Compaq SecureC Web Browser (Mozilla), Netbeans and RTR, while it will also port C, C C++, COBOL, Bliss, Java, Fortran, iMacro, CRTL, Pascal and Basic ine 2003.i  E In 2004 it will add Expanding Clusters, volume shadowing, DECram, RMSoB Journaling, GKS, Phigs, Media Management Service and Galaxy to the@ OpenVMS core, and will add X26, PCA, GNAT Ada. It will also port@ BridgeWorks, Enterprise Directory, Mailbus 400, IMAP server, and@ middleware products such as DCE, ACMS, DECforms, FMS, TP DesktopD Connector as well as a number of system management tools and storage+ products such as ABS, SLS, SW Raid and DFO.m   This is a colossal undertaking.p  E In 2005 it will release OpenVMS Alpha Vax Itanium, which is codenamedaE Topaz. It will feature system and IO performance improvements, better-: security, Fibre/SAN enhanced support and a number of other
 improvements.t  F It says that Oracle is still committed to OpenVMS, and also has pulledE in a number of other firms including BMC Software, Computer Associate  to support the shift.?  C In the second half of 2003, then, we'll see Advanced Server Itaniumt released, Compaq reckons. i  A * COMPAQ CAN'T HATE the INQwell that much. It links to one of ouraE stories at this URL, under the heading Alpha: Undead and trashing thea competition.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:27:59 +0100 (MET)p9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>f9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!-; Message-ID: <01KGWZD4OR5I8Y6CT5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>d  F Most of this is an accurate, almost verbatim rendition of what Compaq G have been saying for a while now.  However, I'm sure the "Alpha inside 2E Itanium" is a goof on the part of the author, which is substantiated   with this gem:  5 > In 2005 it will release OpenVMS Alpha Vax Itanium,  +                                         ^^^nC Not even the more exotic pundits in this forum have penetrated the oF smokescreen which kept us from knowing that not only was ALPHA just a = hyped-up VAX, but also that VAX will live on in Itanium!  :-)i   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2002 19:04:54 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)H9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!", Message-ID: <aa4b8m$1kad$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  = In article <d7791aa1.0204231013.2967d8cb@posting.google.com>, +  bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:w |>* |> Compaq updates OpenVMS-Itanic roadmaps  |> m |> Topaz and the rest ) |> By Mike Magee, 23/04/2002 15:40:42 BSTd |> ?B |> JUST IN CASE YOU HAD forgotten in all the excitement over AMD'sF |> "Hammer" microprocessor, Compaq's VMS team is working like crazy to0 |> port the OpenVMS OS to the Itanium processor.= |> One reason amongst many why Intel can't drop the Itanic  e  E Does the term "Non Sequitur" mean anything to you??  There is nothingcF about Compaq's or now HP's plans that can force Intel to continue with3 the IA64 if they decide it is not going to make it.u   bill   -- rJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:25:50 +0100t' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk>n9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005! 2 Message-ID: <230420022025509731%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  C In article <01KGWZD4OR5I8Y6CT5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillipf2 Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:  H > Most of this is an accurate, almost verbatim rendition of what Compaq I > have been saying for a while now.  However, I'm sure the "Alpha inside  G > Itanium" is a goof on the part of the author, which is substantiated t > with this gem: > 7 > > In 2005 it will release OpenVMS Alpha Vax Itanium, o- >                                         ^^^rE > Not even the more exotic pundits in this forum have penetrated the -H > smokescreen which kept us from knowing that not only was ALPHA just a ? > hyped-up VAX, but also that VAX will live on in Itanium!  :-)-  + There is a trend here. I can see it coming.-# They are going to call it SecureVMSS (...I'll get my coat)M  A Oh Lord, Preserve me from marketing weasels ..... and journalists-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:41:54 -0700c% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>$9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005! ) Message-ID: <3CC5B902.E0F4AC68@rdrop.com>    Elliott Roper wrote: > - > There is a trend here. I can see it coming.:% > They are going to call it SecureVMS/  @ $5!##!.  I just got the cocoa out of my keyboard from yesterday.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 19:50:19 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> 9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!u6 Message-ID: <20020423195019.30967.qmail@gacracker.org>  ; On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote:e >Elliott Roper wrote:t >> s. >> There is a trend here. I can see it coming.& >> They are going to call it SecureVMS >cA >$5!##!.  I just got the cocoa out of my keyboard from yesterday.   6 Stop it Dean! You made me get beer in my keyboard. :-)       Doc. -- 76 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net<   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:30:09 GMTa5 From: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)t9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!e2 Message-ID: <3cc5c3da.34292718@news.cable.ntl.com>  A On 23 Apr 2002 11:13:35 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)k wrote:  < >Now J.F. and Andrew, there has to be something to this when: >now a second author states Alpha will live in Itanium ... >5 >cut from below ...iD >As you can see, we won't see Intel technology using the Alpha until >2005. >7 >full article ...  >.   Who needs Itaniumo   check this out  ' http://www.theinquirer.net/23040208.htmc    ) http://www.theinquirer.net/a_23040205.htms  3 Where does this leave VMS. Ported to PA-Risc maybe?e   cheers,s     Peter Watkinson  peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.coma   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 15:44:17 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!l3 Message-ID: <aoKheGo29Xdh@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  j In article <3cc5c3da.34292718@news.cable.ntl.com>, peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) writes:C > On 23 Apr 2002 11:13:35 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)h > wrote: > = >>Now J.F. and Andrew, there has to be something to this whene; >>now a second author states Alpha will live in Itanium ...n >> >>cut from below ...E >>As you can see, we won't see Intel technology using the Alpha until  >>2005.o >> >>full article ... >> >  > Who needs Itaniums >  > check this out > ) > http://www.theinquirer.net/23040208.htmo >  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/a_23040205.htmr > 5 > Where does this leave VMS. Ported to PA-Risc maybe?B >   3 	Don't get too excited.  As this author points out:i  ' http://www.theinquirer.net/23040209.htm   G If AMD is going to do well with Hammer they will need major OEM supportcL offering high-end desktop, mobile, and server kits. But AMD has not had suchA support from ---any--- OEM to date hear in the states or abroad. n  ? 	You still need an OEM.  It won't be Dell.  It won't be HP.  Ito< 	won't be Compaq.  Gateway?  Maybe.  But if Gateway, strange< 	things in the way of pricing might happen.  And you thought4 	Microsoft was the one to be feared. ha ha ha ha ha.   				RobS   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:13:10 GMT<5 From: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)59 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!C2 Message-ID: <3cc5ce44.36958750@news.cable.ntl.com>  F On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:11:57 GMT, peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) wrote:c  E >On 23 Apr 2002 15:44:17 -0500, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)r >wrote:  >>l >>In article <3cc5c3da.34292718@news.cable.ntl.com>, peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) writes:E >>> On 23 Apr 2002 11:13:35 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) 
 >>> wrote: >>> ? >>>>Now J.F. and Andrew, there has to be something to this when<= >>>>now a second author states Alpha will live in Itanium ...S >>>> >>>>cut from below ...G >>>>As you can see, we won't see Intel technology using the Alpha until2	 >>>>2005.r >>>> >>>>full article ... >>>> >>>  >>> Who needs ItaniumY >>>  >>> check this out >>> + >>> http://www.theinquirer.net/23040208.htm- >>>  >>> - >>> http://www.theinquirer.net/a_23040205.htm- >>> 7 >>> Where does this leave VMS. Ported to PA-Risc maybe?d >>>  >>5 >>	Don't get too excited.  As this author points out:h >>) >>http://www.theinquirer.net/23040209.htmD >>I >>If AMD is going to do well with Hammer they will need major OEM support@N >>offering high-end desktop, mobile, and server kits. But AMD has not had suchC >>support from ---any--- OEM to date hear in the states or abroad. h >>A >>	You still need an OEM.  It won't be Dell.  It won't be HP.  It > >>	won't be Compaq.  Gateway?  Maybe.  But if Gateway, strange> >>	things in the way of pricing might happen.  And you thought6 >>	Microsoft was the one to be feared. ha ha ha ha ha. >>	 >>				Rob  >> >i( >Well. Check this out from comp.sys.itel >c >r >further confirmations >i >from www.vanshardware.com >l' >Microsoft is Committed to AMD's x86-64  >hF >Sources attending Seattle's WinHEC 2002 maintained that Microsoft has@ >successfully pressured Goliath chipmaker Intel Corporation into	 >adoptingi< >archrival AMD's new 64-bit chip language.  According to our
 >confidentialcC >sources, the Redmond, Washington-based software vendor expressed ai >clearC >preference for Advanced Micro Devices' x86-64 instruction set overl >Intel'sA >competing IA-64.  Furthermore, the OS developer advised Intel ton >comply withF >x86-64 if the Santa Clara, California-based chipmaker desired ongoing >64-bit-	 >support.- >- >i >u >Ho ho ho ho ho ho ;-) >- >- >- >Peter Watkinson >peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com    . boy. re-rereading that. It's got to be a joke?     Peter Watkinsone peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:11:57 GMTl5 From: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)e9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!.2 Message-ID: <3cc5cde7.36865703@news.cable.ntl.com>  D On 23 Apr 2002 15:44:17 -0500, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:  k >In article <3cc5c3da.34292718@news.cable.ntl.com>, peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) writes:pD >> On 23 Apr 2002 11:13:35 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)	 >> wrote:  >> o> >>>Now J.F. and Andrew, there has to be something to this when< >>>now a second author states Alpha will live in Itanium ... >>>  >>>cut from below ...nF >>>As you can see, we won't see Intel technology using the Alpha until >>>2005. >>>o >>>full article ...  >>>n >> a >> Who needs Itanium >> r >> check this outi >>  * >> http://www.theinquirer.net/23040208.htm >> - >> 2, >> http://www.theinquirer.net/a_23040205.htm >> -6 >> Where does this leave VMS. Ported to PA-Risc maybe? >> o > 4 >	Don't get too excited.  As this author points out: >a( >http://www.theinquirer.net/23040209.htm >0H >If AMD is going to do well with Hammer they will need major OEM supportM >offering high-end desktop, mobile, and server kits. But AMD has not had suchaB >support from ---any--- OEM to date hear in the states or abroad.  > @ >	You still need an OEM.  It won't be Dell.  It won't be HP.  It= >	won't be Compaq.  Gateway?  Maybe.  But if Gateway, strangen= >	things in the way of pricing might happen.  And you thoughti5 >	Microsoft was the one to be feared. ha ha ha ha ha.b >u >				Rob >o  ' Well. Check this out from comp.sys.itelC     further confirmation   from www.vanshardware.comp  & Microsoft is Committed to AMD's x86-64  E Sources attending Seattle's WinHEC 2002 maintained that Microsoft hast? successfully pressured Goliath chipmaker Intel Corporation into  adopting; archrival AMD's new 64-bit chip language.  According to ours confidentialB sources, the Redmond, Washington-based software vendor expressed a clearnB preference for Advanced Micro Devices' x86-64 instruction set over Intel'sr@ competing IA-64.  Furthermore, the OS developer advised Intel to comply withfE x86-64 if the Santa Clara, California-based chipmaker desired ongoingk 64-bit support.       Ho ho ho ho ho ho ;-)r       Peter WatkinsonC peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.coma   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:13:13 GMTu1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>n9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!a; Message-ID: <tfjx8.42967$%s3.17249081@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>   4 "Elliott Roper" <elliott@yrl.co.uk> wrote in message, news:230420022025509731%elliott@yrl.co.uk...E > In article <01KGWZD4OR5I8Y6CT5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip 4 > Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote: >aI > > Most of this is an accurate, almost verbatim rendition of what CompaqeJ > > have been saying for a while now.  However, I'm sure the "Alpha insideH > > Itanium" is a goof on the part of the author, which is substantiated > > with this gem: > >o8 > > > In 2005 it will release OpenVMS Alpha Vax Itanium,/ > >                                         ^^^cF > > Not even the more exotic pundits in this forum have penetrated theI > > smokescreen which kept us from knowing that not only was ALPHA just aOA > > hyped-up VAX, but also that VAX will live on in Itanium!  :-)  >l- > There is a trend here. I can see it coming. % > They are going to call it SecureVMS  > (...I'll get my coat)  >uC > Oh Lord, Preserve me from marketing weasels ..... and journalistse  F Actually, it was marketing weasels who were dead set against the RiskyF Scheme which led to VMS being declared cool and unhackable at DEFCON9.  L As for the OpenVMS name, it started out as Open VMS, back in the daze of VMSI Integrated POSIX. The the InterCapping Police struck, and Open VMS became-$ OpenVMS. At least to the marketeers.  K I forget what IBM called its POSIX-compliant MVS. MVS Open Edition, or someq such.v  J When it comes to monikers, DEC coulda done worse than OpenVMS, though: twoF of the gems that the firm came up with as potential Alpha hardware andI software appellations were "FlexSystem" and "DuraWare." I am not kidding.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:21:58 GMTh5 From: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)d9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!M2 Message-ID: <3cc5d035.37455453@news.cable.ntl.com>  F On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:13:10 GMT, peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) wrote:m     >>) >>Well. Check this out from comp.sys.itelt >> >> >>further confirmation >> >>from www.vanshardware.comr >>( >>Microsoft is Committed to AMD's x86-64 >>G >>Sources attending Seattle's WinHEC 2002 maintained that Microsoft hasoA >>successfully pressured Goliath chipmaker Intel Corporation intoe
 >>adopting= >>archrival AMD's new 64-bit chip language.  According to our, >>confidentialD >>sources, the Redmond, Washington-based software vendor expressed a >>clearoD >>preference for Advanced Micro Devices' x86-64 instruction set over	 >>Intel'saB >>competing IA-64.  Furthermore, the OS developer advised Intel to
 >>comply withlG >>x86-64 if the Santa Clara, California-based chipmaker desired ongoingo >>64-bit
 >>support. >> >> >> >>Ho ho ho ho ho ho ;-)l >> >> >> >>Peter Watkinson5 >>peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.comh >  >p/ >boy. re-rereading that. It's got to be a joke?  >k >c >Peter Watkinson >peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com    E If this is true surely we will see some pretty significant changes inu stock prices tommorow?       Peter Watkinsons peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com,   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:22:48 GMTt5 From: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)e9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!l2 Message-ID: <3cc5d0a6.37568453@news.cable.ntl.com>  F On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:13:10 GMT, peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) wrote:a     >>) >>Well. Check this out from comp.sys.itel  >> >> >>further confirmation >> >>from www.vanshardware.comX >>( >>Microsoft is Committed to AMD's x86-64 >>G >>Sources attending Seattle's WinHEC 2002 maintained that Microsoft has A >>successfully pressured Goliath chipmaker Intel Corporation intoa
 >>adopting= >>archrival AMD's new 64-bit chip language.  According to ourS >>confidentialD >>sources, the Redmond, Washington-based software vendor expressed a >>clearaD >>preference for Advanced Micro Devices' x86-64 instruction set over	 >>Intel'siB >>competing IA-64.  Furthermore, the OS developer advised Intel to
 >>comply withmG >>x86-64 if the Santa Clara, California-based chipmaker desired ongoings >>64-bit
 >>support. >> >> >> >>Ho ho ho ho ho ho ;-)w >> >> >> >>Peter Watkinsonp >>peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com  >f > / >boy. re-rereading that. It's got to be a joke?e >s >  >Peter Watkinson >peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com    E If this is true surely we will see some pretty significant changes ini stock prices tommorow?       Peter Watkinson. peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:46:00 GMT<# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005! H Message-ID: <sCkx8.47856$VLV.28009@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagea7 news:d7791aa1.0204231013.2967d8cb@posting.google.com...t   >l > full article ... >i( > Compaq updates OpenVMS-Itanic roadmaps >s > Topaz and the rest( > By Mike Magee, 23/04/2002 15:40:42 BST > A > JUST IN CASE YOU HAD forgotten in all the excitement over AMD's  ...v >tE > As you can see, we won't see Intel technology using the Alpha until  > 2005.t > F > Next year, Compaq hopes to have completed the porting of the OpenVMSC > core, clusters, linked configurations, DEC Windows Motif, and the- > monitor utility. >9, > On the network front, it will port ....... >  > In 2004 it will add ........ > ! > This is a colossal undertaking." >e  I So colossal in fact, that it makes one wonder whether keeping Alpha alive.I and continually evolving wouldn't have been the less expensive route, andwK more reliable too. Not to mention a real differentiator in the marketplace.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:51:28 GMTA5 From: peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)r9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!o2 Message-ID: <3cc5d737.39249093@news.cable.ntl.com>  F On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:22:48 GMT, peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) wrote:"  G >On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:13:10 GMT, peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peters >Watkinson) wrote: >o >n >>> * >>>Well. Check this out from comp.sys.itel >>>m >>>t >>>further confirmationG >>>n >>>from www.vanshardware.com >>>k) >>>Microsoft is Committed to AMD's x86-64n >>> H >>>Sources attending Seattle's WinHEC 2002 maintained that Microsoft hasB >>>successfully pressured Goliath chipmaker Intel Corporation into >>>adopting-> >>>archrival AMD's new 64-bit chip language.  According to our >>>confidentialeE >>>sources, the Redmond, Washington-based software vendor expressed am >>>clearE >>>preference for Advanced Micro Devices' x86-64 instruction set overG
 >>>Intel'sC >>>competing IA-64.  Furthermore, the OS developer advised Intel tos >>>comply withH >>>x86-64 if the Santa Clara, California-based chipmaker desired ongoing	 >>>64-bit  >>>support.i >>>r >>>i >>>w >>>Ho ho ho ho ho ho ;-) >>>  >>>e >>>  >>>Peter Watkinson  >>>peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com >> >>0 >>boy. re-rereading that. It's got to be a joke? >> >> >>Peter Watkinson  >>peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com  >  > F >If this is true surely we will see some pretty significant changes in >stock prices tommorow?s >e >h >  >Peter Watkinson >peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com   more from Vanshardware......  F Our sources also allege that top Microsoft decision makers view x86-64C as the clearly superior solution over IA64, an underperforming VLIWtE architecture widely judged as Byzantine.  Intel is expected to make a-C formal announcement of its x86-64 support, code-named Yamhill, in = June or July during a face-saving presentation delivered withq
 Microsoft.         Peter Watkinson0 peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com4   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:55:05 GMTc1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>u9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!f; Message-ID: <ZKkx8.43001$%s3.17311228@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>A  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:sCkx8.47856$VLV.28009@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >l7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message69 > news:d7791aa1.0204231013.2967d8cb@posting.google.com...d >e > >d > > full article ... > >R* > > Compaq updates OpenVMS-Itanic roadmaps > >a > > Topaz and the rest* > > By Mike Magee, 23/04/2002 15:40:42 BST > > C > > JUST IN CASE YOU HAD forgotten in all the excitement over AMD'sn > ...a > > G > > As you can see, we won't see Intel technology using the Alpha untile	 > > 2005.p > >lH > > Next year, Compaq hopes to have completed the porting of the OpenVMSE > > core, clusters, linked configurations, DEC Windows Motif, and the0 > > monitor utility. > >e. > > On the network front, it will port ....... > >:  > > In 2004 it will add ........ > >m# > > This is a colossal undertaking.9 > >n >.K > So colossal in fact, that it makes one wonder whether keeping Alpha aliveuK > and continually evolving wouldn't have been the less expensive route, andn@ > more reliable too. Not to mention a real differentiator in the marketplace.  ? Compaq (rightly or wrongly, and after years of missed marketingpH opportunities, quite possibly rightly) felt that it could ill afford theJ ~$250M annual investment in the Alpha franchise. Intel, on the other hand,K might have been well advised to maintain the engineering effort. Sure, theyyJ have a Yamhill fallback strategy, but if they find it necessary to go thatH route, POWER4 will look better and better as a high-end server CPU. (AndL once the IPF port is done, it shouldn't be all that difficult to port VMS to, POWER or another 64b target of opportunity.)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:56:22 GMTl* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!sC Message-ID: <qElx8.165217$%l3.13347766@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>e  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message5 news:ZKkx8.43001$%s3.17311228@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net...w >.0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD > news:sCkx8.47856$VLV.28009@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >d9 > > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messager; > > news:d7791aa1.0204231013.2967d8cb@posting.google.com...2 > >0 > > >  > > > full article ... > > >., > > > Compaq updates OpenVMS-Itanic roadmaps > > >t > > > Topaz and the rest, > > > By Mike Magee, 23/04/2002 15:40:42 BST > > > E > > > JUST IN CASE YOU HAD forgotten in all the excitement over AMD'sc > > ...g > > >nI > > > As you can see, we won't see Intel technology using the Alpha until- > > > 2005.t > > >hJ > > > Next year, Compaq hopes to have completed the porting of the OpenVMSG > > > core, clusters, linked configurations, DEC Windows Motif, and thea > > > monitor utility. > > >o0 > > > On the network front, it will port ....... > > >t" > > > In 2004 it will add ........ > > >	% > > > This is a colossal undertaking.  > > >  > >2G > > So colossal in fact, that it makes one wonder whether keeping Alphai alive I > > and continually evolving wouldn't have been the less expensive route,c and.B > > more reliable too. Not to mention a real differentiator in the > marketplace. >oA > Compaq (rightly or wrongly, and after years of missed marketing0J > opportunities, quite possibly rightly) felt that it could ill afford theL > ~$250M annual investment in the Alpha franchise. Intel, on the other hand,H > might have been well advised to maintain the engineering effort. Sure, theyL > have a Yamhill fallback strategy, but if they find it necessary to go thatJ > route, POWER4 will look better and better as a high-end server CPU. (AndK > once the IPF port is done, it shouldn't be all that difficult to port VMS  to. > POWER or another 64b target of opportunity.)  F Paradoxically, more and more frequently these days I find Terry sayingF things here quite similar to what I might have (and in some cases haveH already) said (well, save for suggesting that Compaq's dumping Alpha wasJ anything short of bald incompetence).  Now, if he could only muster up the courage to do so in his rag...   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:12:02 GMTe* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!aB Message-ID: <6Tlx8.103470$XV5.9254202@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message.7 news:d7791aa1.0204231013.2967d8cb@posting.google.com...y= > Now J.F. and Andrew, there has to be something to this wheni; > now a second author states Alpha will live in Itanium ...f >e > cut from below ...E > As you can see, we won't see Intel technology using the Alpha until  > 2005.c  H Gee - I've been saying that nothing Alpha-related would appear in ItanicK until 2005 at the earliest for almost a year now...  However, as I've notedMI before, Mike is a great source of news about what's going on but he's notnC the sharpest blade in the drawer when it comes to understanding it.   I The .ppt slide he's shown is no significant variation on the standard oneoH we've been seeing for the better part of a year.  There's nothing on it,L save in his imagination, to indicate any 'Alphaness' in Itanic - and in factL the 'next generation' shown is for the *servers* (the common one that likelyF discards Alpha's MP-connectivity advantages because Itanics don't haveC them), not the processors in them (which at that time should be thedK post-Madison Montecitos - yet another simple shrink of the McKinley/Madisone) core with no Alpha influence whatsoever).-  K *Maybe sometime* in 2005 we'll see the Montecito follow-on ('Chivano') withkL some Alpha influence (most likely just the on-chip support for memory and MPL connections).  And *maybe* in 2006 we might even see EV8-style SMT in ItanicJ (or, if they decided to scrap EPIC entirely, possibly an EV8 core modified to run Itanic instructions).   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:08:49 -0700O% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>n9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005! ) Message-ID: <3CC5F791.A9A3B103@rdrop.com>h   John Smith wrote:u > K > So colossal in fact, that it makes one wonder whether keeping Alpha aliveoK > and continually evolving wouldn't have been the less expensive route, andoM > more reliable too. Not to mention a real differentiator in the marketplace.u  ; Had you missed the part where the "industry" doesn't want a2C "differentiator", esp. where it means odd-ball hardware?  Hence theh9 popularity of the [oft-misused] term "industry standard".e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:00:40 -0400/- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!e, Message-ID: <3CC61FCA.C76C5981@videotron.ca>   Bob Ceculski wrote:oE > As you can see, we won't see Intel technology using the Alpha until  > 2005.d  J That sentence is alone in paragraph,  and I am sorry, but I do not see howK anything in that article shows/says that any alpha specific technology wille make it to IA64.  B > OpenVMS core, and will add X26, PCA, GNAT Ada. It will also portB > BridgeWorks, Enterprise Directory, Mailbus 400, IMAP server, andB > middleware products such as DCE, ACMS, DECforms, FMS, TP DesktopF > Connector as well as a number of system management tools and storage- > products such as ABS, SLS, SW Raid and DFO.c  Y Interesting that they announce port of FMS, but Office Server (All-IN-1) isn't mentioned.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:51:02 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!t9 Message-ID: <q4px8.22$rc5.424058@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>    Elliott Roper wrote: : - : There is a trend here. I can see it coming. % : They are going to call it SecureVMS   A   We have already shipped a version of OpenVMS that was known as o@   Security Enhanced VMS; a release commonly refered to as SEVMS.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 21:50:14 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005! 3 Message-ID: <5+fn2oe+UtJ0@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  j In article <3cc5cde7.36865703@news.cable.ntl.com>, peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) writes:F > On 23 Apr 2002 15:44:17 -0500, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  ) >>http://www.theinquirer.net/23040209.htm  >>I >>If AMD is going to do well with Hammer they will need major OEM supportsN >>offering high-end desktop, mobile, and server kits. But AMD has not had suchC >>support from ---any--- OEM to date hear in the states or abroad. a >>A >>	You still need an OEM.  It won't be Dell.  It won't be HP.  ItM> >>	won't be Compaq.  Gateway?  Maybe.  But if Gateway, strange> >>	things in the way of pricing might happen.  And you thought6 >>	Microsoft was the one to be feared. ha ha ha ha ha. >>	 >>				RobM >> > ) > Well. Check this out from comp.sys.itel  >  >  > further confirmation >  > from www.vanshardware.comd > ( > Microsoft is Committed to AMD's x86-64 > G > Sources attending Seattle's WinHEC 2002 maintained that Microsoft has.A > successfully pressured Goliath chipmaker Intel Corporation intoi
 > adopting= > archrival AMD's new 64-bit chip language.  According to oura > confidentialD > sources, the Redmond, Washington-based software vendor expressed a > clear D > preference for Advanced Micro Devices' x86-64 instruction set over	 > Intel's-B > competing IA-64.  Furthermore, the OS developer advised Intel to
 > comply withkG > x86-64 if the Santa Clara, California-based chipmaker desired ongoingl > 64-bit
 > support. >  > Ho ho ho ho ho ho ;-)5 >   = 	And if anyone uses it OEMing across the board, what happens?a> 	They suddenly see supplies of their IA32 chips become scarce.  D 	Gateway was big on AMD at one time.  Here is a timely prediction...G 	HP/Compaq drops AMD altogether and to get an AMD chip you go whitebox.-  @ http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,63864,tk,dnWknd,00.asp   Thursday, September 27, 2001   Latest Defection  I Gateway isn't the first major vendor to drop AMD in recent times, despiteaL continued strong reviews and a growing share of the market. IBM once carriedL AMD-based PCs for consumers in stores, but the company retreated from retailI sales in the United States back in 1999. In May [2001], Big Blue stopped e) offering built-to-order AMD systems, too.>  G Now, the only two major PC vendors offering AMD products are Compaq andeL Hewlett-Packard. With their proposed merger, soon only one major vendor willN support the chip maker, Enderle points out. As the companies plan their future4 together, they may reconsider AMD products as well.     = 	But don't get me wrong... AMD is good to have around to keepy@ 	Intel prices down.  So we could all hope Intel always keeps AMD 	around.  > 	And ... the obvious... since HP/Compaq are large on IA64, do 1 	you really think *they* will be OEMing Hampster?2   	So, who will be OEMing it????   				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:49:29 GMT0* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!kC Message-ID: <dXpx8.154660$3L2.13682794@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:5+fn2oe+UtJ0@eisner.encompasserve.org...s   ...C  > > And ... the obvious... since HP/Compaq are large on IA64, do2 > you really think *they* will be OEMing Hampster?  D They will if they want to be OEMing *any* 'industry-standard' 64-bit+ platform after Itanic takes the big dive...i   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 01:27:55 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>G Subject: Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)n- Message-ID: <87d6wqnx44.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) writes:  E >My point is that WYSIWYG is proven to be a good idea, and one of the.B >reasons is that it DOES allow the user to control both layout and >material together.1  ( Where is this 'proof' Nic? And for what?     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.m@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 12:54:45 -0700 From: hchen3@uwo.ca (Sammy) 9 Subject: Re: linking with pthread library for C++ programe= Message-ID: <2c0966c2.0204231154.1aaf5fd1@posting.google.com>e  J > Where did you place the redefines? before (as it should) or after (which= > can cause the above messages) of the #include <pthread.h> ?     F My bad........i didn't read th post carefully. Everything compiled and% links fine now.  Thanks for you help.i     Sammy    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:26:13 +0800 ! From: "Dan"<newhgh@earthlink.com>y% Subject: look younger HGH supplement. 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Feldman)H Subject: Re: markup vs wysiwyg (was: Re: learning how to use a computer)= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0204231053.190e2a09@posting.google.com>o  { jthorn@galileo.thp.univie.ac.at (Jonathan Thornburg) wrote in message news:<3cc557a4$0$14458$3b214f66@news.univie.ac.at>...6D > In an article whose nested quoting has overflowed my mental stack, > someone wrotem > | [[...]] WYSIWYG is proven3G > | to be a good idea, and one of the reasons is that it DOES allow the H > | user to control both layout and material together.  I loathe editors8 > | that rejustify after I have 'signed off' a document. > / > In article <aa1dkk$9ls@web.eng.baileynm.com>,@) > Peter da Silva <peter@abbnm.com> wrote: M > >So what happens if someone corrects something in the document that changes I > >the length of a line? Or if the document has to be distributed via the . > >web, or to someone who's visually impaired? > ; > Or if it has to be reformatted for a different paper sizee > (eg A4 vs US letter)?n   [WARNING: ramble mode on]   9 Just in case you don't make it to the end of the article:o  C And one more thing to people who write Web pages: PLEASE STOP USINGu@ MICROSCOPIC TYPE, ESPECIALLY TYPE THAT CAN'T BE MADE LARGER WITHA VIEW/TEXT SIZE/LARGER AND THE LIKE. Thank you. (Also, Reading the < slide presentations on www.openvms.compaq.com can be next to- impossible because the slides are too small.)n    F The problem with self-formatting is that most people don't know donkey@ kong about typography. The biggest mistake people make is making? documents whose lines that are too long to read easily. One cannD generally avoid this by limiting lines to no more than 75 charactersE wide, including spaces and punctuation marks. (I believe this is fromhE the LaTeX manual, section 5.3, I don't have it with me to check.) AndnE even beside this very common mistake -- seen all over the Web, BTW --nF is just lousy formatting. And these too-long-lines are pretty much the= default with PC word processing programs -- at least Word and  WordPerfect, anyway.  B Also, in the LaTeX manual, the introduction makes a great argumentA against WYSIWYG, especially for documents that include equations.rE Also, reformatting WYSIWYG is very tedious compared to reformatting a E LaTeX document. Imagine moving a chapter from chapter 2 to chapter 4,hA forexample, and manually renumbering all chapters from 2 on!!! Ins LaTeX, this is not a problem.a  E OTOH, there is some "logical processing" in programs like WordPerfect E and Word. For example, the automatic numbering of lists. OTOH, having-E documents with automatically numbered lists passed on to a typist whobB doesn't know how to use them and then adds more items to the list,E some of which then are not included in the logical numbered list, andgE then someone tries to add an item to the list in the middle but can'teD get the numbering right because some of the numbers are known to theF logical list and some are just typed in by the less knowledgable user.7 This makes a real mess that is incredibly hard to undo.l  B Also, most PC users probably couldn't handle something like LaTeX.E OTOH, maybe there's now "Visual LaTeX" which maybe they could handle. % I don't know. Maybe that's too silly?h   Maybe there's something else..  A So, while WYSIWYG makes it easy for anyone to make a document, ito2 means many more documents that are harder to read.  E Enough rambling for now. Obviously this is not the best document ever  written.  A NB: And one more thing to people who write Web pages: PLEASE STOPhF USING MICROSCOPIC TYPE, ESPECIALLY TYPE THAT CAN'T BE MADE LARGER WITHA VIEW/TEXT SIZE/LARGER AND THE LIKE. Thank you. (Also, Reading thee< slide presentations on www.openvms.compaq.com can be next to- impossible because the slides are too small.)    [ramble mode off]    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmane" afeldman atski gfigroup dotski com   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:09:38 +0100 (MET)o9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>*H Subject: Re: markup vs wysiwyg (was: Re: learning how to use a computer); Message-ID: <01KGX0SST4AW8Y6CT5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   E > And one more thing to people who write Web pages: PLEASE STOP USING B > MICROSCOPIC TYPE, ESPECIALLY TYPE THAT CAN'T BE MADE LARGER WITHI > VIEW/TEXT SIZE/LARGER AND THE LIKE. Thank you. (Also, Reading the slide-C > presentations on www.openvms.compaq.com can be next to impossibleo% > because the slides are too small.) I  I My tip: use LYNX.  99% of the time, if the page doesn't look OK in LYNX, rE it's not worth the effort anyway.  And no problem with the font size.k  D > Also, in the LaTeX manual, the introduction makes a great argumentC > against WYSIWYG, especially for documents that include equations..  < It also has the great quote: what you see is all you've got.  D > Also, most PC users probably couldn't handle something like LaTeX.   No comment.e  D On the other hand, it's something all secretaries should be able to H handle.  LaTeX guru Patrick Daly boasts that EVERYONE at his Max Planck 1 Institute, including the secretaries, uses LaTeX.e  G > OTOH, maybe there's now "Visual LaTeX" which maybe they could handle.m' > I don't know. Maybe that's too silly?1  H There is Scientific Word.  Click on icons with the mouse in one window, 2 and watch LaTeX code being generated in the other.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 19:04:34 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)H Subject: Re: markup vs wysiwyg (was: Re: learning how to use a computer)= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0204231804.1a4fc1e0@posting.google.com>t  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KGX0SST4AW8Y6CT5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...G > > And one more thing to people who write Web pages: PLEASE STOP USINGsD > > MICROSCOPIC TYPE, ESPECIALLY TYPE THAT CAN'T BE MADE LARGER WITHK > > VIEW/TEXT SIZE/LARGER AND THE LIKE. Thank you. (Also, Reading the slide-E > > presentations on www.openvms.compaq.com can be next to impossibled' > > because the slides are too small.) c > K > My tip: use LYNX.  99% of the time, if the page doesn't look OK in LYNX, 2G > it's not worth the effort anyway.  And no problem with the font size.t > F > > Also, in the LaTeX manual, the introduction makes a great argumentE > > against WYSIWYG, especially for documents that include equations.e > > > It also has the great quote: what you see is all you've got. > F > > Also, most PC users probably couldn't handle something like LaTeX. > 
 > No comment.n > F > On the other hand, it's something all secretaries should be able to J > handle.  LaTeX guru Patrick Daly boasts that EVERYONE at his Max Planck 3 > Institute, including the secretaries, uses LaTeX.a   Fascinating.  F Well, on second thought, it ought not be much harder than Reveal Codes? in Word Perfect, though it might be for  complicated documents.n  D I like that LaTeX distinguishes between inter-word spaces and end of sentence spaces.   > I > > OTOH, maybe there's now "Visual LaTeX" which maybe they could handle.() > > I don't know. Maybe that's too silly?1 > J > There is Scientific Word.  Click on icons with the mouse in one window, 4 > and watch LaTeX code being generated in the other.   Hmmm. Interesting.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmang" afeldman atski gfigroup dotski com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 19:17:25 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)H Subject: Re: markup vs wysiwyg (was: Re: learning how to use a computer)= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0204231817.5ae55828@posting.google.com>y  s SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<343f30ae.0204231053.190e2a09@posting.google.com>... } > jthorn@galileo.thp.univie.ac.at (Jonathan Thornburg) wrote in message news:<3cc557a4$0$14458$3b214f66@news.univie.ac.at>...fF > > In an article whose nested quoting has overflowed my mental stack, > > someone wrotea > > | [[...]] WYSIWYG is provenpI > > | to be a good idea, and one of the reasons is that it DOES allow the J > > | user to control both layout and material together.  I loathe editors: > > | that rejustify after I have 'signed off' a document.   [ stuff omitted ]n  fH > The problem with self-formatting is that most people don't know donkeyB > kong about typography. The biggest mistake people make is makingA > documents whose lines that are too long to read easily. One caneF > generally avoid this by limiting lines to no more than 75 charactersG > wide, including spaces and punctuation marks. (I believe this is fromuG > the LaTeX manual, section 5.3, I don't have it with me to check.) Andg    2 Actually, it's section 5.1.4. And in that section:  F "If you don't like the standard LaTeX styles, you can create your own.E ... Before customizing the document style, remember that many authorsrC make elementary errors when they try to design their own documents.s= The only way to avoid these errors is by consulting a trained E typographic designer or reading about tyographic design. All I can do-E here is warn you against the very common mistake of making lines thatlE are too wide to read easily -- a mistake you won't make if you followp; this suggestions: ***use lines that contain no more than 75o1 characters, including punctuation and spaces***."C  B The idea here is that LaTeX is your typographer and deviating fromE standard LaTeX by customizing your own document style leaves you openc" to making the "elementary errors".   [the rest omitted]       Disclaimer: JMHO   Alan E. Feldman#  afeldman atski gfigroup dotski com    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 11:09:13 -0700- From: jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell)  Subject: Re: Memory Corruption= Message-ID: <9059bf6b.0204231009.173f0c6a@posting.google.com>o  [ Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message news:<3CC5564E.511F7CCD@gtech.com>...0 > jlsue wrote:G > > Here's another thing to try.  When compiling optimized, turn on all G > > checks.  For Fortran, this was /check=all iirc.  At the very least,n > > put in /checks=bounds. > > H > > What you will then get is an accvio if/when your code tries to stuff > > too much into a variable.  > B > In very rare cases /CHECK=BOUND is not possible, because it will, > effect expected behaviour of the program ! >  > Arne  C Can you post an example of good coding practices where /check=boundt would not be wanted?   JMOD   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:59:39 GMT:2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Mime hole virus9 Message-ID: <Lzmx8.10$Ra5.387130@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>   I   Please take it to a security or a Microsoft Windows newsgroup.  Thanks.e  =   I probably should not continue this discussion here, but...o  V In article <3CC1F481.ACC74620@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net> writes: :e :r :Tom Linden wrote: :> fD :> I discovered what this is the hard way, hope I didn't pass it on.A :> I run tcpip5.1 under 7.3 smtp server and use Outlook on W2K as K :> pop client.  If you have the preview turned on, TURN IT OFF,  apparently6   :Also, what is "preview"?t  G   If you use Microsoft Outlook, you have an option to preview the mail aD   message before opening it -- this so-called preview pane is often F   (always?) enabled by default for at least some of the folders.  For I   some virii (and some Windows configurations), the operations performed @G   to display the message in this window are enough to launch the virus tH   and thus to infect your system.   No attachments, no double-clicking, G   etc.  Most virii are coded to find a way to launch themselves on the hH   target system of course, and the more subtle and the more widespread, H   the better...  (In fact, most virii actually really fail because they .   replicate far too quickly, but I digress...)  E :> this is all that is needed to launch it, and it comes with its ownb :> smtp server!C  E   This is not the first virus that has been activated via the Outlook A   preview window.  AFAIK, the Bubbleboy infection used a similar eE   technique some years ago.  I'd expect there are others.  Back when  D   I was still using Outlook, I had everything thatI could shut down F   explicitly disabled, including the preview windows.  (That's really D   "fun", too, as I had to reset the preview window setting in every "   Outlook folder.  But I digress.)  C   There are various Microsoft hotfixes you will want to apply, and >A   various other mechanisms that used to transfer infections -- I vB   regularly receive various copies of Windows virii in my OpenVMS B   mailbox, forwarded by various folks that are running (infected)    Windows implementations.  E   More than a few of these virii try to exercise disparities between JD   the filtering and the activation codepaths (eg: through the use ofE   sound file extensions for executable code, in one recent virus) or tE   through spoofing a file extension -- the fact that displaying file uC   extensions is a whole lot more difficult than you might expect --oE   or (as recently occured) embedded as an ill-formed (but functional)e@   macro within Microsoft Word or Microsoft Powerpoint documents.  E   If you are running Windows on your desktop, you need to have and to0D   keep your virus filters running and your definitions current -- ifF   you are paranoid, even potentially with your definitions updated on G   a daily basis, too.  You need current hotfixes, you need a firewall, tF   you need to be careful around SMTP services and such that you might G   provide, you need to be very careful about what mail you receive and gI   what websites you visit, and you really need to track current security lA   problem reports.  I expect that Microsoft and/or CERT or other dB   organizations have recommendations for locking down your WindowsD   system.  Contact the vendor(s) or similar organizations for other D   operating systems.  (The above are just a few of the areas that I C   would suggest looking into if you are running Microsoft Windows.  E   In the case of OpenVMS security, the general security configuration8E   recommendations are in the appendix of the system security manual.)e  D   There have been infections of Linux, Windows, mobile phones, PDAs,B   and other constructs -- and yes, on OpenVMS, in the case of the H   DECnet-based WANK worm -- and the head-long plunge toward "high-speed"G   wireless networking and always-on connectivity just makes for (more) /<   interesting and (more) widespread security exposures, too.   	--<  A   Again, this and other Windows security discussions are probablytC   best held in another newsgroup and not in the OpenVMS comp.os.vmsyD   newsgroup.  (I apologize in advance for filling the newsgroup with   this discussion of Windows.)  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:26:40 -0700e# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a Subject: RE: Mime hole virus9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEBHENAA.tom@kednos.com>s  C As always your comments are worth reading.  I think most of us livesB in heterogenous environments, and while it is more of a W2K issue,A it certainly has general interest.  Actually, the story gets more/G interesting, because in my case it was not a malicious, but a parasiticeF attack.  They actually set up housekeeping til I shut them down.  ThisF is a practice that I believe is called leeching.  Esentially what theyC are looking for is a new host to provide space and bandwidth (soundaL like a parasitic wasp !)  The set up directories measure the characteristicsL and try to avoid detection.  It is really some clever stuff.  here is a copyF of one of their logon files (notice the use of environment variables):  L - - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ --  -5 - ::::: ::: :: :         Team          : :: ::: :::::l7 - ::::: ::: :: :     P u B - s T r O     : :: ::: ::::: L - - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ --  - - |w, - | You Are Connecting From ...........: %IP, - | The Local Time Is ..............: %Time,K - | Current Uptime .................: %ServerDays Days, %ServerHours Hours,w( %ServerMins Minutes, %ServerSecs Seconds, - | Total Uploaded .........: %ServerKBUp KB+ - | Total Downloaded ....: %ServerKBDown KB % - | User Uploaded ..........: %BUp KBY% - | User Downloaded ......: %BDown KB,+ - | User Transferred .......: %FTot File(s) / - | Average Throughput .......: %ServerAvg KBpsl4 - | Current Bandwith .............: %ServerKBps KBps, - | DiskSpace Free ..............: %DFree KB$ - | Users Logged In .........: %UNow, - | Users Logged In Last 24 Hours ...: %U24h' - | Total Users ................: %UAlls, - | Max Allowed Users ...........: %MaxUsers - |tL - - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ --  - - |h - | 	Follow These Rules Please!i - |h6 - | 1. Do NOT Delete/Upload Anything On/To This Server - | 2. Do NOT Pub StealR% - | 3. Do NOT Publish The IP Anywherey - | 4. Do NOT Scan The IP Rangee - | 5. Leech = Reply - |t - | 	Happy Leeching & Have Fun!s - |AL - - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ --  -5 - ::::: ::: :: :         Team          : :: ::: :::::e7 - ::::: ::: :: :     P u B - s T r O     : :: ::: ::::: L - - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ --  -   >   -----Original Message-----= >   From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]a) >   Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:00 PMi >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma  >   Subject: Re: Mime hole virus >b >i >i9 >     Please take it to a security or a Microsoft Windowsc >   newsgroup.  Thanks.  >bA >     I probably should not continue this discussion here, but...t >t9 >   In article <3CC1F481.ACC74620@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes-$ >   <annonymous@pacbell.net> writes: >   :s >   :t >   :Tom Linden wrote: >   :>H >   :> I discovered what this is the hard way, hope I didn't pass it on.E >   :> I run tcpip5.1 under 7.3 smtp server and use Outlook on W2K asuC >   :> pop client.  If you have the preview turned on, TURN IT OFF,t >    apparentlyu >o >   :Also, what is "preview"?G > J >     If you use Microsoft Outlook, you have an option to preview the mailG >     message before opening it -- this so-called preview pane is oftengI >     (always?) enabled by default for at least some of the folders.  ForrB >     some virii (and some Windows configurations), the operations
 >   performed,J >     to display the message in this window are enough to launch the virusK >     and thus to infect your system.   No attachments, no double-clicking,dJ >     etc.  Most virii are coded to find a way to launch themselves on theK >     target system of course, and the more subtle and the more widespread, K >     the better...  (In fact, most virii actually really fail because they 2 >     replicate far too quickly, but I digress...) >iI >   :> this is all that is needed to launch it, and it comes with its own  >   :> smtp server!o >oI >     This is not the first virus that has been activated via the OutlookrD >     preview window.  AFAIK, the Bubbleboy infection used a similarH >     technique some years ago.  I'd expect there are others.  Back whenG >     I was still using Outlook, I had everything thatI could shut downoI >     explicitly disabled, including the preview windows.  (That's really G >     "fun", too, as I had to reset the preview window setting in everyp& >     Outlook folder.  But I digress.) > F >     There are various Microsoft hotfixes you will want to apply, andD >     various other mechanisms that used to transfer infections -- IE >     regularly receive various copies of Windows virii in my OpenVMSeE >     mailbox, forwarded by various folks that are running (infected)  >     Windows implementations. >iH >     More than a few of these virii try to exercise disparities betweenH >     the filtering and the activation codepaths (eg: through the use ofH >     sound file extensions for executable code, in one recent virus) orH >     through spoofing a file extension -- the fact that displaying fileG >     extensions is a whole lot more difficult than you might expect -- I >     or (as recently occured) embedded as an ill-formed (but functional)TD >     macro within Microsoft Word or Microsoft Powerpoint documents. >sI >     If you are running Windows on your desktop, you need to have and tohH >     keep your virus filters running and your definitions current -- ifI >     you are paranoid, even potentially with your definitions updated onrJ >     a daily basis, too.  You need current hotfixes, you need a firewall,I >     you need to be careful around SMTP services and such that you mightcJ >     provide, you need to be very careful about what mail you receive andC >     what websites you visit, and you really need to track current  >   securityD >     problem reports.  I expect that Microsoft and/or CERT or otherF >     organizations have recommendations for locking down your WindowsG >     system.  Contact the vendor(s) or similar organizations for otherHG >     operating systems.  (The above are just a few of the areas that IoF >     would suggest looking into if you are running Microsoft Windows.I >     In the case of OpenVMS security, the general security configurationdI >     recommendations are in the appendix of the system security manual.): >-H >     There have been infections of Linux, Windows, mobile phones, PDAs,E >     and other constructs -- and yes, on OpenVMS, in the case of theaL >     DECnet-based WANK worm -- and the head-long plunge toward "high-speed"J >     wireless networking and always-on connectivity just makes for (more)@ >     interesting and (more) widespread security exposures, too. >g >   	--E >OE >     Again, this and other Windows security discussions are probablyEG >     best held in another newsgroup and not in the OpenVMS comp.os.vms H >     newsgroup.  (I apologize in advance for filling the newsgroup with" >     this discussion of Windows.) >o4 >    ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h>! >   -----------------------------,7 >         For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --i www.openvms.compaq.com*  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------sL    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:42:01 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGs! Subject: Re: Netscape and Mozillae0 Message-ID: <00A0CE65.D994C561@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <3CC58E81.8090007@compaq.com>, John Reagan <john.reagan@compaq.com> writes: >Tom Linden wrote:I >> John,  sorry for sounding negative, but if you are accustomed to using K >> a more sophisticated browser, Like IE6 or Opera6 it can  be frustrating.f >> t >g+ >I use IE6 on my Windows XP machine at home , >I use IE5.1 on my Macintosh machine at home2 >I use Mozilla 0.9.9 on my OpenVMS machine at work >HC >Except for the excellent download manager included in IE5.1 on my  E >Macintosh, all of the browsers seem equivalent in functionality and d
 >performance.n  C I'm assuming that you're running Mozilla 0.9.9 on the latest MarveldB hardware when you make that claim.  Sorry, but Mozilla is a dog on
 the Alpha.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM9             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes8   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:30:28 +0200) From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>! Subject: Re: Netscape and Mozilla.& Message-ID: <3CC5C464.4060909@home.nl>   system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  W >In article <3CC58E81.8090007@compaq.com>, John Reagan <john.reagan@compaq.com> writes:t >q >>Tom Linden wrote:  >>I >>>John,  sorry for sounding negative, but if you are accustomed to usingoK >>>a more sophisticated browser, Like IE6 or Opera6 it can  be frustrating.r >>>o, >>I use IE6 on my Windows XP machine at home- >>I use IE5.1 on my Macintosh machine at home 3 >>I use Mozilla 0.9.9 on my OpenVMS machine at work  >>D >>Except for the excellent download manager included in IE5.1 on my F >>Macintosh, all of the browsers seem equivalent in functionality and  >>performance. >> >aD >I'm assuming that you're running Mozilla 0.9.9 on the latest MarvelC >hardware when you make that claim.  Sorry, but Mozilla is a dog onp >the Alpha.r >  OK, this is my setup:u  I I hape a PWS500, 500 MB mem, Powerstorm 4D20 (1600 X 1200 res), VMS 7.3,   TCPIP 5.1 eco 3 tunedn7 I'm running Compaq Secure Web Server, and Mozilla V1.0.a  I Now when I load a page with many high res pictures from my own webserver mI (127.0.0.1) , it is up in maybe 2 seconds. Scrolling over the page is as yF fast as I can wish. Keep in mind that loading the page from 127.0.0.1 ; makes that the true performance of Mozilla becomes visible.uH I don't see any difference in performance to other web browsers like IE  or Netscape V4.7. However you may have to tune DecWindows a bit.1 Add the line $decw$server_page_file == 250000 to tH sys$common:[sysmgr]decw$private_server_setup.com and you will see quite 
 a difference.p  F I have noticed that some older low-end video cards are extremely slow H under VMS. So if you have one of those, I'm not surprised Mozilla looks F slow. Starting Mozilla up takes long, just as Netscape V6 on Windooz. E But so what, a few seconds more during startup doesn't really matter.      >- >- >---P >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >           K >  "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery 6J >  intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:44:59 +0200t From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>! Subject: Re: Netscape and MozillaF& Message-ID: <3CC5C7CB.2070600@home.nl>   Dirk Munk wrote:   >u >n  > system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >w9 >> In article <3CC58E81.8090007@compaq.com>, John Reagan  # >> <john.reagan@compaq.com> writes:  >> >>> Tom Linden wrote:O >>>sK >>>> John,  sorry for sounding negative, but if you are accustomed to using A >>>> a more sophisticated browser, Like IE6 or Opera6 it can  be e >>>> frustrating.l >>>>. >>> I use IE6 on my Windows XP machine at home/ >>> I use IE5.1 on my Macintosh machine at homem5 >>> I use Mozilla 0.9.9 on my OpenVMS machine at work: >>>MF >>> Except for the excellent download manager included in IE5.1 on my H >>> Macintosh, all of the browsers seem equivalent in functionality and  >>> performance. >>>s >>F >> I'm assuming that you're running Mozilla 0.9.9 on the latest MarvelE >> hardware when you make that claim.  Sorry, but Mozilla is a dog on 
 >> the Alpha.t >> > OK, this is my setup:t >iF > I hape a PWS500, 500 MB mem, Powerstorm 4D20 (1600 X 1200 res), VMS  > 7.3, TCPIP 5.1 eco 3 tuned9 > I'm running Compaq Secure Web Server, and Mozilla V1.0.o >TA > Now when I load a page with many high res pictures from my own uF > webserver (127.0.0.1) , it is up in maybe 2 seconds. Scrolling over H > the page is as fast as I can wish. Keep in mind that loading the page D > from 127.0.0.1 makes that the true performance of Mozilla becomes 
 > visible.G > I don't see any difference in performance to other web browsers like s > IE or Netscape V4.7 0 > However you may have to tune DecWindows a bit.3 > Add the line $decw$server_page_file == 250000 to  D > sys$common:[sysmgr]decw$private_server_setup.com and you will see  > quite a difference.   A Another thing to look at is WSMAX. DecWindows takes its WSextent  5 directly from WSMAX. I have WSMAX at 262144 (128 MB).    >e >cH > I have noticed that some older low-end video cards are extremely slow D > under VMS. So if you have one of those, I'm not surprised Mozilla E > looks slow. Starting Mozilla up takes long, just as Netscape V6 on  I > Windooz. But so what, a few seconds more during startup doesn't really y	 > matter.I >e >c >> >> >> -- : >> VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001      >> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM D >>            "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally D >> drawn to my fiery  intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their  >> envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes >> >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:18:20 GMTa2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: Netscape and Mozillai9 Message-ID: <wJnx8.17$dc5.411700@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>a  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEPHEMAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: B :Installed Netscape 3.03 on 7.1-2 AXP and Mozilla 0.9.9 on 7.3 AXP :nD :Two thumbs down for each.  Not ready for prime time and so far fromF :it, that it probable isn't salvageable.  Certainly not useable.  Upon/ :launching Netscape it gets Javacript errors!  e  F   Netscape 3.03 is so ancient, it nicely avoids many of the obnoxious C   new problems, um, features of the newer web browsers.  That said,eG   there are a number of holes in the Javascript, and the HTML standard f
   is ancient.g  " :Mozilla not even worth reviewing.  C   Mozilla works nicely if you have sufficient memory and processor.rC   (Given that it is largely based on Java, this is not a surprise.)sC   If you don't have circa 256 MB (or more) and an EV56 (or better),eB   then Mozilla and CWSB are unfortunately rather poor choices for A   daily use -- Mozilla and CWSB (and Java) are significantly morew=   resource-intensive than were previous generations of tools.r  I :I would certainly like to see Compaq entice Opera to port there browser.r  H   Empirical evidence indicates the Opera folks do not answer their mail.I   (I also don't have buckets of money to throw into this or other portingi   projects, however.)t  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:39:31 GMT,2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: RE: Netscape and Mozilla-9 Message-ID: <n1ox8.18$qb5.393272@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>s  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEPJEMAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:i  M :I waited longer and I relaized it really takes that long to load!  Of coursehI :most people will leave it on the desktop, so they may not see it but thee< :first time.  It also takes noticeably longer to load pages.  H   Though JF claimed heresy the last time I made a statement such as whatI   follows, you are apparently running old and slow Alpha systems and you .I   need to seriously consider retire a few to pasture after performing an -   upgrade.    1   Mozilla really shows the limits of old systems.i  C   Mozilla operating on an AlphaStation 255 4/300 series with 320MB  H   configured is exceedingly slow -- I'd expect lower performance on the G   DEC 3000 model 300 series -- this system is what you were indicating EE   you were using in one of the older posts -- and I'd expect similar hF   poor performance on any other platform and any other microprocessor =   of equivilent age.  This DEC 3000 series Alpha system is a  E   first-generation EV4 operating at 150 MHz -- arguably roughly half cF   of the 300 MHz of the AlphaStation 255 series performance, and this :   DEC 3000 series dates back seven or eight years or so.    C   Yes, a computer this old is going to be slow when running currentoD   software.  (A corrollary to this discussion involves the continuedD   and apparent acceptable performance of OpenVMS on a box this old.)  G   Mozilla running on an AlphaStation XP1000 series with 1GB configured e   is far more useful.v  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:22:38 -0700m# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>.! Subject: RE: Netscape and MozillaH9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEBNENAA.tom@kednos.com>    >   -----Original Message-----= >   From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]e) >   Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:18 PM  >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma% >   Subject: Re: Netscape and Mozillav >g >hB >   In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEPHEMAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom$ >   Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:F >   :Installed Netscape 3.03 on 7.1-2 AXP and Mozilla 0.9.9 on 7.3 AXP >   :oH >   :Two thumbs down for each.  Not ready for prime time and so far fromJ >   :it, that it probable isn't salvageable.  Certainly not useable.  Upon1 >   :launching Netscape it gets Javacript errors!  > I >     Netscape 3.03 is so ancient, it nicely avoids many of the obnoxiousaG >     new problems, um, features of the newer web browsers.  That said,lJ >     there are a number of holes in the Javascript, and the HTML standard >     is ancient.L >h& >   :Mozilla not even worth reviewing. >-G >     Mozilla works nicely if you have sufficient memory and processor. G >     (Given that it is largely based on Java, this is not a surprise.)sG >     If you don't have circa 256 MB (or more) and an EV56 (or better),-E >     then Mozilla and CWSB are unfortunately rather poor choices for E >     daily use -- Mozilla and CWSB (and Java) are significantly more A >     resource-intensive than were previous generations of tools.  >u> >   :I would certainly like to see Compaq entice Opera to port >   there browser. >fL >     Empirical evidence indicates the Opera folks do not answer their mail.? >     (I also don't have buckets of money to throw into this or4 >   other portingo >     projects, however.)a  J I know we have discussed this before, but I think that IE6 is an excellentH browser, and Opera is even better.  Now Opera has been ported to systemsH that have far less presence than VMS, like BeOS, Mac, OS/2, QNX, Symbian6 Linux, Solaris and of course Windows.  So why not VMS?  G On another note, I think the ubiquitous use of explorer in Windows is aeB big forward leap,  not going to totally replace DCL or Bash, but aI marvelous tool.  I am sure you and your colleagues have looked into this,w but G probably dismissed cause all you had to use was Mozilla.  Can't be thatrH difficult or costly to write one from scratch if you can't buy one, likeH Opera.  My point is that a browser is more than a desktop nicety for theF internet explorer (no pun intended)  it is an interface to a computing environment,I and as heretical as it may sound to this group, in my view, Microsoft hasgI definitely done something right, and I think the have set a new standard,h like
 it or not.         >i4 >    ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h>! >   -----------------------------)7 >         For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --  www.openvms.compaq.com*  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------eL    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:18:18 -0500BC From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>l! Subject: Re: Netscape and MozillabH Message-ID: <craig.berry-E4466E.22181823042002@news.directvinternet.com>  9 In article <n1ox8.18$qb5.393272@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>,u4  hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:  E >   Mozilla operating on an AlphaStation 255 4/300 series with 320MB  # >   configured is exceedingly slow c  I On an AlphaStation 255 4/266 with 160MB RAM, it takes 25 seconds to load nG but after that is quite useable.  It's a heck of a lot faster than any d< current generation browser on a mid-1990s vintage Mac or PC.  ' >  I'd expect lower performance on the b >   DEC 3000 model 300 series   8 Yeah, that one would be a bit painful to run Mozilla on.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:28:04 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: RE: Netscape and Mozillah9 Message-ID: <8Dpx8.24$g85.296104@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>(  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEBNENAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   ? :>   :I would certainly like to see Compaq entice Opera to portn :>   there browser.  :>M :>     Empirical evidence indicates the Opera folks do not answer their mail.s@ :>     (I also don't have buckets of money to throw into this or :>   other porting :>     projects, however.) : K :I know we have discussed this before, but I think that IE6 is an excellentlI :browser, and Opera is even better.  Now Opera has been ported to systemsbI :that have far less presence than VMS, like BeOS, Mac, OS/2, QNX, Symbiani7 :Linux, Solaris and of course Windows.  So why not VMS?   G   Wrong audience.  Ask Opera.  (I have.  Though -- as stated -- I have rE   not heard back.)  Compaq does not have the source code to this web y(   browser, it is a third-party product.   E   If there is another open-source web browser around, I'm interested.eD   (So far, I've not seen any open-source web browsers other than theD   likes of Mozilla, though I have received pointers to Opera and to    a Macintosh-based package.)   H :On another note, I think the ubiquitous use of explorer in Windows is aC :big forward leap,  not going to totally replace DCL or Bash, but a,J :marvelous tool.  I am sure you and your colleagues have looked into this,= :but probably dismissed cause all you had to use was Mozilla.w  D   Continuing with your dislike of the performance of Mozilla, I see.  E   Could we put a user interface "carpet" over OpenVMS?  Sure.  We've p0   already demonstrated this.  It wasn't popular.  D :Can't be that difficult or costly to write one from scratch if you  :can't buy one, like Opera.  h  D   If you think there's a market here, well, have at...   Most stuff C   is a simple matter of coding, after all -- though I have several  A   other packages I'm getting paid to work on that would interfere-@   with working on writing a web browser and related.  (And after*   I wrote it, what would I do with it? :-)  A :My point is that a browser is more than a desktop nicety for thesG :internet explorer (no pun intended)  it is an interface to a computingcJ :environment, and as heretical as it may sound to this group, in my view, I :Microsoft has definitely done something right, and I think the have set s  :a new standard, like it or not.  F   Have you tried FileView and similar?  We've had several products andE   several packages in this area, between the DECwindows FileView toolnC   (part of current releases) and the long-since retired DECwindows i   Desktop ("12:01") project.  D   Personally, I find GUIs are good for certain tasks -- particularlyH   those involving infrequent use and/or when some level of unfamiliarityH   is involved, and I find GUIs exceedingly difficult to use for certain F   other tasks.  (But like text editors and many other similar topics, 3   most everyone has opinions, likes, and dislikes.)   F   If we were to enhance this particular area, I'd personally prefer to0   see a port of GNOME or KDE, and related tools.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 05:30:26 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>$ Subject: Re: Newbie meets OpenVMS ;)- Message-ID: <87znzum7bh.fsf@prep.synonet.com>.  ' Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:a  D > From a website I decided I didn't need to join: "Passwords must be> > at least 8 characters, no character may repeat, at least oneD > character must be a digit and one character must be uppercase.  No > special characters allowed."    "yetanotherstupidpasswordpolicy"  @ All lowercase, no digits, no 'funny' chars, and several repeats.A wonder how my example stacks up against the passwords their users  pick. ;)  E -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:46:26 GMTu2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)$ Subject: Re: Newbie meets OpenVMS ;)9 Message-ID: <Cfnx8.14$_a5.388158@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>0  v In article <20020423061109.32471.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:  H :Sure, for a business it might well be. What I recommend with clients isK :that they double password the SYSTEM account and create other accounts for 3 :those who require access with elevated privileges.d  E   Double password usernames should only be configured when there mustnI   be two users present for system access -- the extra password mechanism eL   itself otherwise provides no extra security beyond that a single password.J   The intent of the double password is for situations when TWO users must H   be present to log in.  Double password usernames also do restrict the J   permissible access, such as the (deliberate) prohibition against remote K   DECnet access to these usernames.  (Why?  Because such an access control M7   string would expose both passwords to a single user.)u    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:11:39 +0100C+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org><I Subject: Re: Patch *entitlement*: what does *entitlement* actually mean ?h& Message-ID: <3CC5DC1B.1030402@iee.org>  I > I do VMS software support for a small customer in the UK.  The customerO  G > is particularly interested in the X25ALP X25_V0105-1 Compaq X.25 V1.5PC > for OpenVMS patch.  This falls in the category of "Entitled Kits">? > cf. "Public Kits" (clear) and "Restricted Kits" (also clear).x > G > See http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml#entitleds > ; > The customer has a VMS Media Update contract with Compaq.  > H > Question:  am I legally entitled to download the patch kit from CompaqH > on behalf of my customer ?  Is there any (preferably) on-line document@ > where this is described.  Please remember, I am not a lawyer !    ) I'm not a lawyer either. If your customer(( has the required username & password, my) guess is that noone will know whether you & typed in the commands to fetch the kit  ' or whether the customer did it himself.s    ' Since this is too obvious I assume thati( either you never tried to actually fetch! the kit (and so never got told to.& go away like wot I did) or you did try" and it gave you the kit without it  asking for any id (in which case  you should have kept quiet :-) )     Antonior     -- o   ---------------i- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:56:46 GMT21 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>r2 Subject: Re: Predictions - just for the hell of it; Message-ID: <ipnx8.43065$%s3.17428907@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>S  / "Art Beane" <beane@petris.com> wrote in message41 news:000401c1e659$d0344990$352810ac@petris.com...o > From Mark Crispin: >a% > <snip> a PDP-10 based micro </snip>y >hG > Was this the TOAD (Twenty On A Desk) project that got the LISP peoplel > all excited? >u  H Beane? I recognize that name. Another ARTIST (CONS) turned gourmet cook.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:02:45 GMTe" From: kkal@javakk.com (Ken Kalish)# Subject: Re: Reading a file in java / Message-ID: <3ccc0268.46026449@News.CIS.DFN.DE>p  E On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:36:06 GMT, kkal@javakk.com (Ken Kalish) wrote:o  7 >On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:16:44 -0400, "Pierre-Luc Morin"-( ><Pierre-Luc.Morin@CSE-CST.GC.CA> wrote: > N >>I am reading a file that contains an array of byte from an OpenVMS. It seemsN >>that when i rewrite it back to the hard disk the two first bytes are missingN >>and two other are added at the very end.  Are they checksums? how can i make4 >>sure that the file is rewrite correctly to the hd? >>	 >>Thanks,  >> >>Pierre-Luc >> >A, >This will read and write bytes, Pierre-Luc. >  >import java.io.*; >r >public class ByteFile {	 >        g- >    public static void main(String[] args) {g >        try {. >            File file = new File("in.bytes");
 >            e+ >            int size = (int)file.length();e. >            byte[] contents = new byte[size]; >a= >            FileInputStream fis = new FileInputStream(file);H  >            fis.read(contents);
 >            eG >            FileOutputStream fos2 = new FileOutputStream("out.bytes");y" >            fos2.write(contents);
 >               >        } catch (Exception e) {# >            System.out.println(e);r
 >        } >    }	 >        e >}  L but on second look, even through reading bytes, Java can't access the lengthL prefix that others have pointed out (in this thread), nor what appears to be8 the trailing word 0xFFFF and any necessary 0x00 padding.  K So, there probably is no way to exactly copy a file with java-only methods,nN since java can't read or write byte for byte. That's surprisng, but I guess in retrospect, it fits.  I Also, Manny pointed out that the right-to-left order of the DUMP command,-K which I asked about in this thread, is due to the little-endianness of VMS.l -- a   Regards,  
 Ken Kalish   there is no Java cartel    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:59:34 +0200-9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>a0 Subject: Re: SMTP mail error %UCX-E-SMTP_BADADDR' Message-ID: <3CC5A106.66A8A2AB@aaa.com>M  E I always use this syntax to send using *any* foreign mail transport :c  -    $ mail foo.bar "smtp%""test@abcdefg.com"""2   Note the extra "'s.t  / Check if that also crashes with the same error.k   Jan-Erik Sderholm."   Carmine Castiglia wrote: > & >   $ mail foo.bar smtp%"test@abcdefg"J >   %UCX-E-SMTP_BADADDR, Recipient address is illegal. Unparsed string: ::, >   %UCX-E-SMTP_ABORT, SMTP session aborted. >   $t >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:34:15 GMTe" From: kkal@javakk.com (Ken Kalish)0 Subject: Re: SMTP mail error %UCX-E-SMTP_BADADDR/ Message-ID: <3ccaa871.22992013@News.CIS.DFN.DE>u  K On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:50:35 GMT, "Carmine Castiglia" <ccast@optonline.net>o wrote:   >System is OpenVMS V7.1-1H2s >sM >Without getting into a lot of detail, I had a program (compiled DIBOL) crashoM >recently when a user attempted to send an SMTP mail without specifying a top0H >level domain in the address.  After lots of testing I have narrowed the@ >issue down to something that can be tested at the command line. >p >Specifically, this works: >m) >  $ mail foo.bar smtp%"test@abcdefg.com"l >  $ > ? >And so does this (well, at least it doesn't cause a crash...):o >a$ >  $ mail foo.bar smtp%"test@abcdef" >  $ >f >But, this doesn't:l >S% >  $ mail foo.bar smtp%"test@abcdefg" I >  %UCX-E-SMTP_BADADDR, Recipient address is illegal. Unparsed string: ::m+ >  %UCX-E-SMTP_ABORT, SMTP session aborted.n >  $ >oL >It seems that the missing top level domain can be handled without causing aJ >SMTP_BADADDR error only if the domain name (abcdef... in the examples) isM >six characters or fewer.  If the (admittedly incomplete) domain name exceedssA >six characters in length, the error occurs.  Can anyone offer an- >explanation?  -  K One guess would be that it's parsing backwards and thinks that "abcdefg" is 9 the TLD - and rejects anything over its set length limit.-   >A clean workaround? >H >  >e   -- o   Regards,  
 Ken Kalish   there is no Java cartelc   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:16:14 GMT0/ From: "Carmine Castiglia" <ccast@optonline.net>c0 Subject: Re: SMTP mail error %UCX-E-SMTP_BADADDRC Message-ID: <2qix8.13896$C65.4202398758@newssvr10.news.prodigy.com>-  I Yes, that works when done from the command line.  Now all I have to do is K figure out how to make it work within the email subroutine that is xcall'ed:2 from my program (it was written by a third party).  L Just out of curiosity, I am wondering what is the functional purpose of that" last set of quotes.  Any thoughts?    3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3CC5A106.66A8A2AB@aaa.com...dG > I always use this syntax to send using *any* foreign mail transport :a >./ >    $ mail foo.bar "smtp%""test@abcdefg.com"""t >p > Note the extra "'s.o > 1 > Check if that also crashes with the same error.a >d > Jan-Erik Sderholm.a >  > Carmine Castiglia wrote: > > ( > >   $ mail foo.bar smtp%"test@abcdefg"L > >   %UCX-E-SMTP_BADADDR, Recipient address is illegal. Unparsed string: ::. > >   %UCX-E-SMTP_ABORT, SMTP session aborted. > >   $  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:11:52 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>r0 Subject: Re: SMTP mail error %UCX-E-SMTP_BADADDR' Message-ID: <3CC5CE18.B861315B@aaa.com>h  C Well, as I understand it, the "outer quotes" are there to make surea> that DCL don't mess with the line before it's been sent to the5 the mail image. Not that the following syntax is OK :    $ MAIL <enter> $ SEND To : smtp%"test@abcdefg.com" ...i ...e  < In this case you are already "inside" MAIL, and therefore no
 outer quotes.a  F The inner quotes is there to make sure that the "@" isn't interprettedF as a address-list-file-specification by MAIL. What comes after the "%"7 sign should be sent to the specified foreign transport,t TCPIP$SMTP_MAILSHRG in this case, but could also have been the image for e.g DELIVER, MX ors NBL.  D Now, as you know, any quotes inside a quoted string must be dubbled.B So the last three quotes are realy one dobble quote and one single quote.  # Now, I *think* this is how it's is.W  D Note that later VMS versions can handle the @-form of mail addresses	 directly.aF I'm not sure what version, since I always use the one-two-three quotes format.r   Regardsi Jan-Erik Sderholm.d   Carmine Castiglia wrote: > K > Yes, that works when done from the command line.  Now all I have to do iseM > figure out how to make it work within the email subroutine that is xcall'ede4 > from my program (it was written by a third party). > N > Just out of curiosity, I am wondering what is the functional purpose of that$ > last set of quotes.  Any thoughts? > 5 > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messagei# > news:3CC5A106.66A8A2AB@aaa.com...-I > > I always use this syntax to send using *any* foreign mail transport :- > > 1 > >    $ mail foo.bar "smtp%""test@abcdefg.com"""- > >w > > Note the extra "'s.- > >-3 > > Check if that also crashes with the same error.- > >- > > Jan-Erik Sderholm.h > >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:54:28 GMT-L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")0 Subject: Re: SMTP mail error %UCX-E-SMTP_BADADDR8 Message-ID: <00A0CE78.608DD6EE@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  u In article <L9hx8.13890$Oo4.4199647262@newssvr10.news.prodigy.com>, "Carmine Castiglia" <ccast@optonline.net> writes:m >System is OpenVMS V7.1-1H2f >fM >Without getting into a lot of detail, I had a program (compiled DIBOL) crash3M >recently when a user attempted to send an SMTP mail without specifying a toptH >level domain in the address.  After lots of testing I have narrowed the@ >issue down to something that can be tested at the command line. >r >Specifically, this works: >P) >  $ mail foo.bar smtp%"test@abcdefg.com"e >  $ >E? >And so does this (well, at least it doesn't cause a crash...):  >r$ >  $ mail foo.bar smtp%"test@abcdef" >  $ >- >But, this doesn't:  >2% >  $ mail foo.bar smtp%"test@abcdefg"oI >  %UCX-E-SMTP_BADADDR, Recipient address is illegal. Unparsed string: :: + >  %UCX-E-SMTP_ABORT, SMTP session aborted.( >  $ >tL >It seems that the missing top level domain can be handled without causing aJ >SMTP_BADADDR error only if the domain name (abcdef... in the examples) isM >six characters or fewer.  If the (admittedly incomplete) domain name exceedsoA >six characters in length, the error occurs.  Can anyone offer anf >explanation?  n   Explanation:    M There's some code in MAIL that thinks a string with one "@" in it is actuallyrO referring to a DECnet node, so it kindly converts such a string into node::userwJ format. But there's a six-character limit on DECnet Phase IV nodenames.  AK static analysis of  (node)::(user) can tell that node is illegal if there'so more than six characters.u  C From the command line, that single pair of quotes prevents DCL fromeK interpreting the "@" as a reference to a command procedure, so this doesn't I collapse at the DCL level.  However, the quotes aren't passed through to   MAIL.   H Double or triple quotes will get passed through to MAIL.  When MAIL seesF transport%"quoted string"  it knows to pass the quoted string through  without messing with it.  N Somebody configured UCX to have a default domain for when it just gets a node.5 If you pass it abcdef::username it may try sending toaL abcdef::username@default-domain.tld which is (surprise!) legal, which is whyC you don't blow up, and you might even get your message delivered ifeM default-domain.tld maps to a system that's on DECnet and recognizes abcdef::.        >A clean workaround?   Don't do that.     -- Alann  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056eM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210tO ===============================================================================n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:37:52 GMTr/ From: "Carmine Castiglia" <ccast@optonline.net>M0 Subject: Re: SMTP mail error %UCX-E-SMTP_BADADDR; Message-ID: <Q%nx8.47988$7e5.15130379@news02.optonline.net>n   Alan,e  H Thanks for the explanations - you have cleared up a lot of my questions.K FWIW, I think I may have found that "clean workaround" - based on something B in the OpenVMS User's Guide, I have added "DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE2 MAIL$INTERNET_MODE SMTP" to a system startup file.  A Not only does this seem to have solved the problem, but with yourt< explanation, I even know *why* it has solved the problem. :)  H ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>C wrote in message news:00A0CE78.608DD6EE@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...uE > In article <L9hx8.13890$Oo4.4199647262@newssvr10.news.prodigy.com>,U1 "Carmine Castiglia" <ccast@optonline.net> writes:e > >System is OpenVMS V7.1-1H2s > >mI > >Without getting into a lot of detail, I had a program (compiled DIBOL)e crash K > >recently when a user attempted to send an SMTP mail without specifying a  toptJ > >level domain in the address.  After lots of testing I have narrowed theB > >issue down to something that can be tested at the command line. > >e > >Specifically, this works: > >.+ > >  $ mail foo.bar smtp%"test@abcdefg.com"p > >  $ > >oA > >And so does this (well, at least it doesn't cause a crash...):n > >n& > >  $ mail foo.bar smtp%"test@abcdef" > >  $ > >- > >But, this doesn't:a > >4' > >  $ mail foo.bar smtp%"test@abcdefg"cK > >  %UCX-E-SMTP_BADADDR, Recipient address is illegal. Unparsed string: ::D- > >  %UCX-E-SMTP_ABORT, SMTP session aborted.o > >  $ > >rL > >It seems that the missing top level domain can be handled without causing asL > >SMTP_BADADDR error only if the domain name (abcdef... in the examples) isG > >six characters or fewer.  If the (admittedly incomplete) domain namea exceedseC > >six characters in length, the error occurs.  Can anyone offer an  > >explanation?' >a > Explanation: >eF > There's some code in MAIL that thinks a string with one "@" in it is actuallyF > referring to a DECnet node, so it kindly converts such a string into
 node::userL > format. But there's a six-character limit on DECnet Phase IV nodenames.  AE > static analysis of  (node)::(user) can tell that node is illegal ifh there's. > more than six characters.h >uE > From the command line, that single pair of quotes prevents DCL from-E > interpreting the "@" as a reference to a command procedure, so thisn doesn'tfJ > collapse at the DCL level.  However, the quotes aren't passed through to > MAIL.c >sJ > Double or triple quotes will get passed through to MAIL.  When MAIL seesG > transport%"quoted string"  it knows to pass the quoted string through, > without messing with it. >eJ > Somebody configured UCX to have a default domain for when it just gets a node.n7 > If you pass it abcdef::username it may try sending toiJ > abcdef::username@default-domain.tld which is (surprise!) legal, which is why E > you don't blow up, and you might even get your message delivered if E > default-domain.tld maps to a system that's on DECnet and recognizeso	 abcdef::.i >e >s >r > >A clean workaround? >b > Don't do that. >t	 > -- Alann >O >eL ============================================================================ === 2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUA >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056C >  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CAu
 94309-0210 >-L ============================================================================ ===o >d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:48:11 -0400-; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>-7 Subject: Re: Some MARVEL-ous GS-Series Photos and Specs $ Message-ID: <3cc5bacd$1@news.si.com>  J >Can you give a hint as to where on www.____vms.org those pictures are ? I4 >glanced at the home page and found nothing obvious.  I The second article, "Compaq's Strategic Directions for Enterprise-Centric1 Systems - a 2002 Overview",VK http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=02/04/22/3792052 has the followingr URL:  & http://www.tru64.org/skc/VMSMarvel.ppt --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comEA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.coma= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventn< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:10:30 +0000 (UTC) 1 From: sssslewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) ) Subject: Re: Suggestion: SET DEVICE/RESETo. Message-ID: <aa4bj6$3nf$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes in article <3CC5A019.16CB04D5@videotron.ca> dated Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:55:38 -0400:eK >I powered it off, removed the cassette and remaining tape inside the unit,uO >reset the tape "catcher" and powered the unit back on. It can succesfully load J >and unlaod tapes. However, VMS still complains about "medium is offline". >iN >I let it rest overnight, hoping it would timeout, but alas no. So I am having& >to reboot my master node to fix this.  J Change the SCSI ID of the drive and then do an autoconfig.  You'll have toK change your scripts, but if they are well-written, the physical device names( is mentioned in only one place anyway.      I hope your SCSI bus isn't full.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgc> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:22:53 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>a) Subject: Re: Suggestion: SET DEVICE/RESETt& Message-ID: <3CC5B48D.7000501@iee.org>   Keith A. Lewis wrote:e  L > Change the SCSI ID of the drive and then do an autoconfig.  You'll have toM > change your scripts, but if they are well-written, the physical device namel* > is mentioned in only one place anyway.   >      Didn't he say TK70? Certainly.   $ MC SYSGEN A A/LOGA works wonders for me withj SCSI devices, but I assumedo that it would work with other4 stuff too. However, pretty muchi the only independently powered" stuff is the SCSI external drives, so I'm in no position to check this.V   Antonios         --     ---------------o- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:06:31 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t) Subject: Re: Suggestion: SET DEVICE/RESET>' Message-ID: <3CC62402.401EA7E7@fsi.net>e   JF Mezei wrote:r > O > Got caught with a TK70 tape that broke  where there is a hole in the magneticSO > tape about 2 feet from the leader. Of course, the TK70 drive became confused.  > L > I powered it off, removed the cassette and remaining tape inside the unit,P > reset the tape "catcher" and powered the unit back on. It can succesfully loadK > and unlaod tapes. However, VMS still complains about "medium is offline".F > O > I let it rest overnight, hoping it would timeout, but alas no. So I am havingo' > to reboot my master node to fix this.h > O > Shouldn't there be some sort of SET DEV/RESET that would send a signal to theeO > driver/hardware to reset itself ? (perhaps followed by a SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGUREg > ALL to reload the device).  E I recently discovered - these drives and their younger cousins (TZ88,FD etc.) do this to the HSJs, as well. Ya gotta delete them and add 'em3 back before youy can use 'em again after a failure.a   :-(t   -- r David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsg http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:13:49 GMTe1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: tape problems #2-' Message-ID: <3CC625B7.8C722A73@fsi.net>,   Hank Vander Waal wrote:- > 5 > I have a 4mm dat tape drive on VMS 7.1 ALPHA systemaI > when I try to restore from the tape backup gets an error just before it6N > starts the desired saveset  The first save set works just fine.   I can DUMPL > the tape and can see the 2nd saveset is there and the contents of it.   IsH > there ANY program or procedure that will let me get past the error and/ > either restore or copy down the 2nd saveset??a > ? > I have tried the tape on other drives and get the same error.d  G If you can get past the read error with DUMP, leave the tape positionedbF on the EOF labels just PRIOR to the saveset you want, assuming they'reG not part of the "bad spot". Then, BACKUP should locate the saveset justT! fine and you can do your restore.e  E My DR site does not recommend 4mm tapes for mission critical backups.5F They are fragile and easily stretched, they say. My experience matches their comments.H   --   David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systems, http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:08:03 GMTI* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>X Subject: Re: The 'tone' of c.o.v. (was Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!)A Message-ID: <7Xkx8.62609$ro5.5771647@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>a  # "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" = <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote in messaged  news:3CC567BD.5000806@sun.com...   ...t  C > Perhaps you should have taken the advice you so kindly offered mesE > because if you had bothered to trawl through the newsgroup archives A > you would find that I have nothing against OpenVMS technically.c  J That's by and large the impression I've had, though you do have a tendencyF to dismiss rather than squarely address technical areas where your ownJ system comes under fire - so to say that you don't trash VMS is not to say that you're unbiased.-   >nB > Sure it has its deficiencies, filesystem performance (two failed@ > attempts to fix this), security through obscurity, origionallyD > no integrated IP stack etc. But show me an OS that is perfect none > are.  J And you're not above the occasional indulgence in technical FUD, the aboveK containing two examples.  While a general perception that VMS's file systemRK performs relatively poorly might be understandable, the problem is not with5J its capabilities but with its default settings (which are long overdue forL update:  they're aimed at optimizing performance in systems with main memoryD on the order of a megabyte rather than a gigabyte).  It is eminentlyG possible for a user to obtain competitive performance from the VMS fileiF system, but it requires a good deal more intimate acquaintance than is' required by, say, typical Unix systems.   G And VMS's security in no way *depends* upon obscurity:  it is real, andiK would stand up excellently when compared with its competition even if theire" relative popularity were reversed.  K So while you may on average stand on firmer technical ground than Kerry andrK jlsue, you've got a ways to go before one could consider you 'pure' in this@ area."   > A > What I object to is actually the attitude which is sumarised byg, > "OpenVMS is the finest OS ever developed".  K Perhaps instead of objecting to it you should just try to understand it and0L address it.  As of the mid-to-late-'80s, VMS *may* well have been the finestL OS ever developed, so the assertion is not with out some basis.  However, itE has fallen on bad times since, and this causes real pain to those whoeL appreciate it (this forum perhaps comprising most of those who appreciate it< most, since everyone else has been alienated by its owners).   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 11:19:38 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204231019.5db623d9@posting.google.com>h   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote in message news:<3CC56A56.3010600@sun.com>... > Main, Kerry wrote: >  > > Andrew - > >  > > E > >>>>When are you going to publish the Java numbers for OpenVMS ?<<<t > >>>> > > / > > Right after Sun publishes some TPC numbers.  >  > = > You were the one making claims for OpenVMS Java performancee; > I have made no claims about Sun's TPC-C performance. Only'8 > you in this situation would or could have responded to: > a request for you to show us the actual numbers you have6 > to justify the ~5% perf differences in Java perf for; > OpenVMS vs Tru64 that you are claiming with a request fort > Sun to provide TPC-C numbers.m > 	 > Regardst > Andrew Harrison  >   B I'll take 5% anyday Andrew with being able to actually run my javaB apps 99.9999% uptime ... what good is 5% if you are down 5% of the@ time because of nasty hardware/software problems and viruses ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:14:33 GMTa* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64C Message-ID: <d1lx8.150423$3L2.13295083@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>w  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message& news:aa3ucs$34dm$1@lead.zk3.dec.com... >p  > the augur wrote in message ... > >L >A > nothing of interesti >oC > >And stop using the lame "person posts without a real name" crap,BH > >nobody cares to get personal with the likes of you, just present your+ > >facts and get on with your life--sheesh!w > >d >.H > Let's try and guess which poster has decided that he needs to hide his > identity.   A I suspect myself:  I'm a real shrinking violet, occasionally makeDE predictions (augur), and have been known to make boring puns (auger).o   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 18:22:45 -0700& From: theaugur@hotmail.com (the augur)N Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64< Message-ID: <d39e6c16.0204231722.f03db29@posting.google.com>  E Well, Terry Knows Compaq, I would make a number of big changes, first.@ and foremost, projects need to be consolidated, VMS doesn't have? enough engineers to strive for any particular growth, and theirn@ current roadmaps are way too ambitious and unfocused.  There areF certain projects that demand more attention at this time, the IPF portE should definitely not be one of them.  I think Jeff Mez. something or D rather said that they should minimalize effort on the IPF port, yes,F it needs to be done, but to what degree?  I completely agree with him.B Field agents aren't going to sell IPF solutions over alpha for the6 next few years...customers aren't completely clueless.  C VMS should be focused on niche markets.  I've heard the numbers for @ the medicare and manufacturing industries, but we all know thoseE players will be moving towards a more efficient b2b solution in ordera@ to compete in their respective industries.  Everyone please stopD thinking that VMS will be a competitor to UNIX, because it can neverE do that, never again.  VMS' best chance was back before palmer joinedo= and tru64 came along.  Those days are over.  There's too mucheE UNIX/Linux penetration these days to even begin to catch up, too much F Sun, too much HP-UX, too much Red Hat, too much NetBSD, too much IBM'sC whatever.  So VMS must focus on niche markets, keeping in mind thatuB its current suppos`ed niche market is the darling medical industryE with 80% penetration--that will change very, VERY soon.  And get overyD the 24/7 decade long uptime campaign, my freebsd box has been up for@ two years now, I'm happy as a clam in high tide.  Sure uptime isA great, windows is a sham, but that can't be the only thing vms ish
 known for.  D VMS has a great security model, the internals of the OS and its fileA system are one of the best around.  In fact, Linux is starting to=D steal a few of the mechanisms used in VMS.  Don't believe the stupidB advertisements about VMS being unhackable, VMS can be hacked, it'sE just that none of the hackers know or care about learning to use DCL,XD so the award goes to VMS by default for its arcaneness and propriety8 nature.  Increase VMS security features and adaptations.  @ VMS has strength in clustering, they actually invented or moldedF today's clustering technology in the industry.  That's one of the trueE benefits of VMS--clustering, easy to use, highly scaleable, extremelyn
 fail safe.  B Multiprocessing supercomputing is also a great field for VMS.  RSAC encryption/decryption algorithms are one of the true bottlenecks in"E today's security infrastructures.  SMP alpha systems could do wondersN for that field!E  F VMS should also move to more standardization of products, for example,D port more linux applications, port unix shells--implement bash, ksh,A csh on vms.  Make VMS more friendly to UNIX users.  Yeah, I know,dC everyone loves the case-insensitivity of VMS, but make compromises,wD VMS users must be falling by the hundreds, the guys that do know VMS# must be looking at retirement soon.r  C VMS can win some very large b2b contracts, but it has to change thesC model from being reactive to being proactive.  You can't win in thei@ b2b industry when you haven't got a solution materialized or you+ haven't implemented many of the key pieces.e  D VMS needs to hire younger engineers.  This is the time to do so, theF market is rich with cheaper, better engineers.  I'm not saying all oldC engineers are bad, but things have changed, 9-4 family men that areiF waiting for early retirement just don't cut it anymore, and those guysD definitely don't make young college grads or 20-40 year olds want to join a company.e  F Proliferation of VMS to younger generations needs to happen--donations@ of huge amounts of used vax or alpha workstations and servers toA academia would be a nice way to go.  Want to talk about Tax writeo' offs?  Want to talk about brainwashing?e  C I'm getting tired of this, there are many good reasons, but listingAE them takes too much time.  These are the things that VMS strategy andsE upper management should be addressing, why don't I take their 6 digitxF salaries combined and finish this another time.  Which brings me to my@ final and most important point, total restructuring of VMS upperB management, marketing, and strategy groups, actually, I should sayF total annihilation of those contingencies--the ultimate boost to VMS. E But that's another topic altogether folks.  Plus the new guy steppingn4 in, Peter Blackmore will be a sufficient substitute.    t "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<eT3x8.41068$%s3.16689541@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>... > > ' > > VMS needs some major restructuring." > M > Well, aside from being unduly downsized, VMS Engineering seems to be OK. Soe > what would you restructure?t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:40:57 GMTe1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>oN Subject: Re: The Digital 7-year plan - from 1997 to 2004 - from Alpha to IA-64; Message-ID: <J2ox8.43096$%s3.17458416@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>f  3 "the augur" <theaugur@hotmail.com> wrote in message:6 news:d39e6c16.0204231722.f03db29@posting.google.com...G > Well, Terry Knows Compaq, I would make a number of big changes, firstlB > and foremost, projects need to be consolidated, VMS doesn't haveA > enough engineers to strive for any particular growth, and theirfB > current roadmaps are way too ambitious and unfocused.  There areH > certain projects that demand more attention at this time, the IPF portG > should definitely not be one of them.  I think Jeff Mez. something orOF > rather said that they should minimalize effort on the IPF port, yes,H > it needs to be done, but to what degree?  I completely agree with him.D > Field agents aren't going to sell IPF solutions over alpha for the8 > next few years...customers aren't completely clueless.  H And a nice list o' changes you suggest, too. The one area where I differ> with you is on IPF. Granted, it's gonna be 2-3 years (he wroteK optimistically) before there's a viable IPF platform out there for VMS, but.H the sooner the port is done, the better. Getting this out of the way (anL effort which I am told involves ~25 developers) will eliminate a competitiveJ knockoff, and may well render VMS amenable to additional ports should theyD become attractive. POWER might look real attractive if IPF craters!)  = Multiprocessing supercomputing is also a great field for VMS.v  L Yep. It sure used to be. Dunno if there's any chance of regaining any of the% tattered glory in that realm, though.   F VMS should also move to more standardization of products, for example,D port more linux applications, port unix shells--implement bash, ksh,2 csh on vms.  Make VMS more friendly to UNIX users.  K One would hope that the DII-COE initiative will go a long way to addressing0 that issue.C  D Agreed on the need for younger engineers, proliferation of VMS, etc.  L And I believe that "change the model from being reactive to being proactive"@ is as viable in the marketing and strategy realm as it is in B2B   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:21:46 GMTd* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>* Subject: The HP Way - to an exit strategy?C Message-ID: <KMnx8.152355$3L2.13499090@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>l  J Ms. Fiorina mostly made just herself look pretty bad today, but as long asF she's in charge at HP that blemish will adhere to the company as well.  J Does this give HP a way out?  Can the directors turn around and say, "Hey!L She lied to us too!", give her the boot, and stop contesting the court case?  E That would  a) help restore HP's image of decency, which has sufferedaH throughout this process,  b) get rid of a CEO whom some of the directorsK reportedly are less than thrilled with anyway,  c) likely get HP out of theoL merger without having to pay the $675 million penalty (if the court calls itJ off, they're not to blame), and  d) forestall what may well otherwise be aF *very* unpleasant stockholders meeting on Friday when the new slate ofJ directors must be voted on (could they substitute Walter for Carly at this% point?  *that* would be dramatic...).b   Just a thought,-   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:57:35 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> . Subject: RE: The HP Way - to an exit strategy?9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEBKENAA.tom@kednos.com>4  < Yes, but that was certainly part of the scenario.  I believe; that she cooked up this whole deal anyway as a diversion to = keep her job.  It is no secret that her performance at HP was  not stellarn   >   -----Original Message-----3 >   From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net] ) >   Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:22 PMa >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comj. >   Subject: The HP Way - to an exit strategy? >  >CC >   Ms. Fiorina mostly made just herself look pretty bad today, but  >   as long asJ >   she's in charge at HP that blemish will adhere to the company as well. >eC >   Does this give HP a way out?  Can the directors turn around andf >   say, "Hey!@ >   She lied to us too!", give her the boot, and stop contesting >   the court case?u > I >   That would  a) help restore HP's image of decency, which has sufferedmL >   throughout this process,  b) get rid of a CEO whom some of the directorsA >   reportedly are less than thrilled with anyway,  c) likely geto >   HP out of the A >   merger without having to pay the $675 million penalty (if the  >   court calls it? >   off, they're not to blame), and  d) forestall what may wellO >   otherwise be aJ >   *very* unpleasant stockholders meeting on Friday when the new slate of@ >   directors must be voted on (could they substitute Walter for >   Carly at this') >   point?  *that* would be dramatic...).r >f >   Just a thought,- > 
 >   - bill >r >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:37:08 -0400P- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-. Subject: Re: The HP Way - to an exit strategy?, Message-ID: <3CC62854.F9CE9473@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:L > Does this give HP a way out?  Can the directors turn around and say, "Hey!N > She lied to us too!", give her the boot, and stop contesting the court case?  N Give it up. Compaq is gone. Let HP assume the burden of Compaq and let it deal	 with it. t  M What if HP has better plans for VMS than Compaq does ? Wouldn't you prefer HPaF taking over and making VMS succeed more than under Curly,s wintel-only
 strategy ?  M Let carly announce her VMS colours publicly and then judge her. Anything thatdN delays Carly making public that supposed letter hurts everyone. Uncertainty is= worse than an outright announcement that VMS would be killed.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:53:43 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>. Subject: Re: The HP Way - to an exit strategy?C Message-ID: <b%px8.154857$GS6.15092778@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>m  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CC62854.F9CE9473@videotron.ca... > Bill Todd wrote:H > > Does this give HP a way out?  Can the directors turn around and say, "Hey!/J > > She lied to us too!", give her the boot, and stop contesting the court case?- >-
 > Give it up.-   Nope.     Compaq is gone.  % Nope:  the judge gets to decide that.l  3  Let HP assume the burden of Compaq and let it deal 
 > with it. >t8 > What if HP has better plans for VMS than Compaq does ?  	 Dream on.7    Wouldn't you prefer HPsH > taking over and making VMS succeed more than under Curly,s wintel-only > strategy ?  K No, because if this merger tanks the probability that Curly & Co. will alsooJ get the boot rises markedly - and I believe that such an occurrence is the *only* real hope for VMS.h   >nJ > Let carly announce her VMS colours publicly and then judge her. Anything thatA > delays Carly making public that supposed letter hurts everyone.h Uncertainty is? > worse than an outright announcement that VMS would be killed.r  K Bullshit.  Another couple of weeks of uncertainly isn't going to affect VMSyJ in any measurable way - whereas if it results in the defeat of the merger,5 the effects *will* be significant one way or another.t   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:14:28 -0400t1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>e Subject: TLZ7L Autoloadere2 Message-ID: <3CC5DCC4.4C93C961@firstdbasource.com>  G Does anyone have a command procedure that can select different slots inyC the TLZ07 4-cartridge autoloader?  I have searched high and low andb cannot seem to locate one.  
 OpenVMS 7.2-1o -- e Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163h7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comg Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)a 704-236-4377 (Mobile)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:55:21 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u# Subject: Today in Court - HP/Compaq G Message-ID: <ZSjx8.47547$VLV.2815@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>i  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&ncid=716&e=4&u=/ap/20020 423/ap_on_hi_te/hp_compaq_trial.  & Hewlett Attorneys Claim Deal Deception Tue Apr 23, 3:36 PM ET& By BRIAN BERGSTEIN, AP Business Writer  A WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) - Lawyers for dissident Hewlett-Packard Co. D shareholder Walter Hewlett cited internal company memos and personalI documents in court Tuesday as evidence that executives deceived investors L about the financial prospects of HP's proposed $19 billion purchase of rival Compaq Computer Corp.   I In opening statements in Hewlett's attempt to overturn a shareholder voteeJ approving the deal, Hewlett lawyer Stephen Neal claimed HP executives knewK as late as a few days before shareholders were set to vote on the deal lastwH month that internal projections showed the financial benefits would fall& well short of what HP publicly touted.  J A personal journal entry Compaq CEO Michael Capellas made in late FebruaryH or early March was headed "sobering thought" and said "at our course and speed we will fail."  I At the same time, a select group of HP and Compaq executives held regularUJ meetings on the merger's progression and consulted a chart that showed theK widening gap between current projected financial benefits of the merger and K what was promised when the merger was initially proposed to shareholders in?K an SEC filing. The series of charts was presented to the judge Tuesday, but ? was kept from view of the courtroom to protect company secrets.   I Neal also presented an e-mail from a member of HP chief financial officeruJ Bob Wayman's staff who had conducted one internal study on the financials.L The message to Wayman said "The attached is a frightening reality check. ...I I see little realistic upside and I am not alone. I sincerely hope we allo( start acknowledging the realities soon."  K Neal said HP's internal projections showed the deal would likely reduce thenJ combined company's earnings per share by as much as 25 percent rather thanI boost them, at least in the near term. He also suggested that HP suddenly-J found a way to make the numbers work once the judge ruled to let Hewlett's suit go to trial.e  E HP chairwoman and chief executive Carly Fiorina took the stand first,fH insisting that the company's original projections were based on the bestE estimates at the time and that it was known that they were subject to  change.e  E Speaking in a voice so soft, she was asked to speak up several times,eF Fiorina testified that she did not disclose the updated projections to: shareholders because "it would be irresponsible to do so."  J Fiorina testified for 90 minutes before the lunch break. Her testimony was to continue when court resumed.   F The official certification of HP's shareholder vote on the deal, firstL announced seven months ago, is expected within days, but Hewlett is asking a: Delaware Chancery Court judge to invalidate those results.  I Hewlett first fought the deal in a public relations battle with HP on the2J grounds that buying Compaq was too risky and would bog HP down in the weakL personal-computer market at the expense of its profitable printing division.  D In his lawsuit, he contends HP won its slim majority in the March 19K shareholder vote by threatening to take business away from at least one big G investor, Deutsche Bank, in addition to hiding unflattering informationp6 about HP and Compaq's ability to carry out the merger.  D Neal claimed Deutsche Bank was promised $1 million bonus if deal wasL approved. That payment was approved by HP chief financial officer Bob Wayman1 without Fiorina's knowledge, Neal told the court.t  J Fiorina personally thanked head of Deutsche Bank for "going to bat for us"F with the bank's proxy committee, Neal said, citing a voice-mail, whichK Fiorina ended by saying, "I look forward to doing business with you" in theo future.c  H Hewlett-Packard has denied wrongdoing, and Deutsche Asset Management hasJ said it merely voted the shares it controlled in the best interests of its investment clients.w  K HP attorney Steven Schatz said the signoff was typical for any conversationdI with an investment bank and said there are other memos showing the mergerN plan was ahead of schedule.t  C "The shareholders vote should be honored," Schatz said. "Management 7 integrity has been impugned on the flimsiest of bases."e  L In a scene normally reserved for popular sporting events and concerts, aboutK 100 people - mostly attorneys, investors and journalists - lined up outsideSI the courthouse. Some had paid others to stand in line overnight to ensures$ they would get inside the courtroom.  J "This is a such high profile case, everybody's afraid they're not going toH get a seat for the trial," said Rob Campbell, 27, an employee at a localI courier service who was paid $20 an hour by a law firm to line up outsidew the courthouse at 3 a.m.  K The trial, being heard by one of the court's expert business judges and not F a jury, is expected to last three days. The Delaware Chancery Court inL Wilmington, which has jurisdiction over the governance of companies that are( incorporated in the state, including HP.  I A preliminary tally released last week by an independent proxy certifyingkI firm found that 51.4 percent of HP shares were voted for the Compaq deal,eK and 48.6 percent came out against. With more than 1.6 billion shares voted,eG HP beat Hewlett by 45 million shares - a margin of less than 3 percent.t  H Hewlett hopes Chancellor William Chandler III negates the vote either byI voiding certain investors' shares or by determining that HP corrupted them entire process by buying votes.n  I Hewlett believes Deutsche Asset Management originally voted 25 million HPlK shares against the deal but switched 17 million just before the shareholdersH meeting, which came days after Deutsche Bank helped arrange a $4 billion credit facility for HP.a  L In trading Tuesday on the New York Stock Exchange (news - web sites), shares@ of Palo Alto, Calif.-based HP fell 35 cents to $17.92. Shares of8 Houston-based Compaq lost 73 cents, 6.8 percent, to $10.   -----------------------m  G "Fiorina testified that she did not disclose the updated projections toS< shareholders because "it would be irresponsible to do so." "  L So for the biggest deal in the company's history, one which supposedly wouldJ tranform the company for the owners of the company (ie. the shareholders),I Carly didn't think the 'little people' deserved to know what was going on I and how the deal was turning sour before her very eyes as the integrationk- team really delved into the guts of the deal.   L Seems to me that Carly was trying to protect her own paycheck at the expenseH of billions of dollars of shareholders money. Where's the nearest firing squad when you need one?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:14:09 GMTr# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i' Subject: Re: Today in Court - HP/CompaqmG Message-ID: <R0lx8.49789$Gpn.8357@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   / Deutsche Bank Was Adviser to H-P in Compaq Votef Tue Apr 23, 2:57 PM ET  J WILMINGTON, Del. (Reuters) - Deutsche Bank AG's 11th-hour decision to backH Hewlett-Packard Co.'s takeover of Compaq Computer Corp. stemmed from itsI previously undisclosed investment banking relationship with H-P, a lawyeri& contesting the merger said on Tuesday.  F In Delaware business court, top executives of the computer and printerH maker, including Chairman and Chief Executive Carly Fiorina, gathered toH face off against Walter Hewlett, a dissident board member and son of the= company founder, who has fought the merger in a proxy battle.   I H-P says it won that proxy fight by a narrow margin. But Walter Hewlett'stK lawsuit accuses the company of both vote buying and failure to disclose the3# financial implications of the deal.c  I He seeks to have the vote overturned, and experts say that the key to himrH reversing the move to buy Compaq may rest with the disclosure issue more! than the vote-buying allegations.-  D The trial seemed to inject a new sense of unease into the market. InK mid-afternoon trading, the deal's spread -- or the difference between where-K the deal values Compaq shares and where the market currently values them --1 widened to about 12 percent.  L The deal's spread had narrowed significantly after Hewlett-Packard announcedJ last week that it won shareholder approval by a three percent margin. DealJ spreads in the five to 10 percent range are generally considered "safe" by merger arbitragers.n  G The Securities and Exchange Commission and federal prosecutors are alsoo6 investigating issues surrounding the shareholder vote.     LAWYERS LINE UPaG A lawyer for Walter Hewlett, Stephen Neal, of Cooley, Godward LLP, saidoJ H-P's Chief Financial Officer Bob Wayman agreed to allow two Deutsche Bank3 employees to act as proxy solicitors in the merger.n  H As part of the agreement, Neal alleged, Deutsche Bank would be paid a $1' million bonus if the deal went through.   K "The evidence is going to show that sometime around the signing ... the top F executives of H-P believed that Deutsche Bank was going to support theG merger, and indeed they assumed that a company entering into a contracttE would in fact vote their shares in support of the merger," Neal said.h  K Neal said that on the day of the shareholder vote, March 19, H-P executiveswJ held a conference call with Deutsche Bank's proxy solicitors and its asset4 management team to try to sway Deutsche Bank's vote.  K Walter Hewlett was also allowed to talk to Deutsche Bank on that call, bothe sides said.p  D Deutsche Bank said in a statement on Tuesday it had been retained byJ Hewlett-Packard in January 2002, four months after the deal was announced,( in a secondary role as a merger adviser.  I "Deutsche Asset Management's proxy committee did not consider and was not L influenced by any banking relationships with Hewlett-Packard," the bank said in a statement.I  J In the current downturn in merger activity, it's not unusual for companiesC to hire secondary advisers, often splitting up the business between  different investment banks.   E However, Deutsche Bank's advisory relationship was never disclosed invE Security and Exchange Commission filings and never appeared in market D research firm Thomson Financial's quarterly merger adviser rankings.  L Lawyers for Hewlett-Packard contended they had not acted improperly and said the evidence would show that.2  I Walter Hewlett has alleged Deutsche Bank switched its vote because it wastJ promised future investment banking business. Neal said after Deutsche BankI changed its vote, Fiorina called one of the proxy solicitors thanking him > and saying that she looked forward to doing business with him.  I Hewlett-Packard attorney Steven Schatz said he would show the company hadhL done nothing wrong. Regarding the voicemail and Fiorina's looking forward toH doing business, he said: "That's the way you end every conversation with every investment banker.")  I Walter Hewlett's lawyers spent most of Tuesday's opening arguments on theaG disclosure issue, citing internal HP and Compaq communications to argue I executives allegedly knew they were not on track to meet stated financiald$ targets once the company was merged.  J Those financial targets included revenues, earnings, and cost savings from	 the deal.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:37:09 GMT-* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: Today in Court - HP/CompaquC Message-ID: <pmlx8.150639$3L2.13317355@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>N  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageA news:ZSjx8.47547$VLV.2815@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...p   ...h  I > "Fiorina testified that she did not disclose the updated projections toe> > shareholders because "it would be irresponsible to do so." " >-H > So for the biggest deal in the company's history, one which supposedly would2L > tranform the company for the owners of the company (ie. the shareholders),K > Carly didn't think the 'little people' deserved to know what was going ontK > and how the deal was turning sour before her very eyes as the integrationl/ > team really delved into the guts of the deal.i  F Quite.  CNBC 'Business Center' just reported that Carly testified (oneJ expects not happily) that while the 'disclosure' statements to the SEC andI statements to shareholders had projected that HP (I think) EPS would risehI 12% in 2003 as a result of the merger, in fact as of as recently as March K 14th their internal projections were that instead they would *fall* by 10%.l  K My impression is that such misrepresentations do have legal significance ine
 this case.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:39:46 +0100l+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> & Subject: Re: VAX Spare Parts in the UK& Message-ID: <3CC5B882.2070200@iee.org>   Alan Greig wrote:t  3 > On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:04:48 +0100, "Mike Walker"*$ > <mike.walker@reklaw-uk.com> wrote: >  > N >>Anyone know of a source for VAX spare parts in the UK? I have a 3100-90 withD >>a faulty power supply and Compaq/HP doesn't want to know as it's a >>discontinued part. >> > G > This sounds like the standard clueless response. If you actually call E > out an engineer at chargeable rates I'll bet they can fix it. Had an     But can you afford it :-)i    & You'll be charged the call-out fee for# the engineer and the full fee for a  PSU.  ! Assuming you are prepared to swapn" it out yourself (and if you aren't# I suspect any qualified electrician  would take your money), then get the part number (Hxxxx orn  so IIRC) and call COMPAQ and try again.  & Assuming they really cannot supply it,$ find any of the UK resellers and buy& one - or even buy *any* of the various) MicroVAXes that use the same poser supply ( (most of the later MicroVAX 3100 range).  ! I'm sure someone will post a list " of resellers, but you can start at ProDEC http://www.prodec.co.uk.0$ They *used* to do this sort of stuff but they seem to do just cisco! network things now. However, they ! will undoubtedly point you in the7 right direction.   If this still doesn't work,f$ send me email in a few days and I'll  find the name and address of the% reseller who lives down the road fromo the office !   Antonio?   -- h   ---------------o- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:12:03 -0400-* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>& Subject: RE: VAX Spare Parts in the UK- Message-ID: <0033000061251190000002L002*@MHS>   < =0ADavid Turner at Island Computers (US) might have what you9 need, and he doesn't mind doing business internationally.o   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETs% Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:41 PMtB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET& Subject: RE: VAX Spare Parts in the UK     Alan Greig wrote:   3 > On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:04:48 +0100, "Mike Walker" $ > <mike.walker@reklaw-uk.com> wrote: >C >yH >>Anyone know of a source for VAX spare parts in the UK? I have a 3100-= 90 withaD >>a faulty power supply and Compaq/HP doesn't want to know as it's a >>discontinued part. >> >iH > This sounds like the standard clueless response. If you actually call=  E > out an engineer at chargeable rates I'll bet they can fix it. Had aa     But can you afford it :-)-    & You'll be charged the call-out fee for# the engineer and the full fee for ae PSU.  ! Assuming you are prepared to swapj" it out yourself (and if you aren't# I suspect any qualified electrician> would take your money), then get the part number (Hxxxx ore  so IIRC) and call COMPAQ and try again.  & Assuming they really cannot supply it,$ find any of the UK resellers and buy& one - or even buy *any* of the various) MicroVAXes that use the same poser supplyh( (most of the later MicroVAX 3100 range).  ! I'm sure someone will post a list-" of resellers, but you can start at ProDEC http://www.prodec.co.uk.-$ They *used* to do this sort of stuff but they seem to do just cisco! network things now. However, theyo! will undoubtedly point you in the8 right direction.   If this still doesn't work,c$ send me email in a few days and I'll  find the name and address of the% reseller who lives down the road from_ the office !   Antonioy   --   ---------------u. Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org=   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:00:41 GMTk3 From: Paul Bunyan <paul.bunyan@ntlworld.nospam.com>o& Subject: RE: VAX Spare Parts in the UK6 Message-ID: <20020423215911266+0000@news.ntlworld.com>  J I>>>Anyone know of a source for VAX spare parts in the UK? I have a 3100-= >90 withE >>>a faulty power supply and Compaq/HP doesn't want to know as it's ar >>>discontinued part.e  F Try BeoVAX in Snailwell. Directory enquiries should have their number.   Paul B.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 05:47:05 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha CI - Message-ID: <87r8l6m6jq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>s  ( Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@attbi.com> writes:  H > I don't think the CI780 could support 4K packets; that's why the CIPCAG > could not cohabitate with any CI780/CI750/CIBCI or HSC50 nodes.  And,t2 > I'll bet that the CI20 had the same restriction.  H As the CI780/750 and the CI20 are the same HW, modulo the paddle boards, your money is pretty safe...   -- f< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.S@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 22:53:00 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>W Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha CI 0 Message-ID: <qhznzt8wxv.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  ( Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@attbi.com> writes:H > I don't think the CI780 could support 4K packets; that's why the CIPCAG > could not cohabitate with any CI780/CI750/CIBCI or HSC50 nodes.  And,c2 > I'll bet that the CI20 had the same restriction.  . Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:J > As the CI780/750 and the CI20 are the same HW, modulo the paddle boards, > your money is pretty safe...  B The "smarts" of the CI20 are on the IPA, which plugs into the KL10I Ebus and Cbus, modules M3001, M3002, and M3003.  These are definitely notcE the same as any modules used on the CI780, since the latter is an SBIw; device.  SBI is not even similar to the KL10 Ebus and Cbus.   C I'm still hoping to find print sets, maintenance manuals, and otherhE docs on the HSC50, CI780, and CI750.  If I could get copies or borrowe? them, scans would show up at http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/dec/0   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 22:54:36 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>s Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha CI,0 Message-ID: <qhvgah8wv7.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>   I wrote:F > But given that there doesn't appear to be any way that I can get theD > source to the CIPCA driver, maybe I'll have to build my own PCI CIF > adapter using an FPGA.  Building RP06 and TU77 emulators is a higher > priority, though.k  / jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) writes:o: > Did you purchase them at a recurring auction or one-off?   One-off.  2 > Willing to sell one?  (or both now that it seems= > they will be incompatible with your desired configuration)?e  B Maybe.  I'm not yet completely convinced that they're incapable ofB doing what I want.  Though if I can't get programming info or lookA at the driver sources, it won't matter whether they're capable orp not.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:51:38 +0000 (UTC)g1 From: sssslewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)k# Subject: Re: VI editor for OpenVMS?o. Message-ID: <aa4afp$3nf$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  I >>>On OpenVMS system, I was figuring out how to search for a word throughdH >>>TPU or EDT editor.  Is there a copy of VI editor for OpenVMS?  I knowJ >>>that vi editor originally was designed for Unix.  I was looking throughB >>>ftp.process.com but have not find a vi editor for OpenVMS yet.   I My Unix-loving VMS users have had good luck with a port called "vile".  It2 don't remember where I got it, but it's listed on 1 http://www.goatley.com/fileserv/other-stuff.html.e  I >are editing techniques that vi does better than edt, I can't say of eve  G >because I never liked it from the beginning and therefore never spent n  H I read and post to this newsfroup using a newsreader that I wrote in TPU (EVE).  Nyaah, Nyaah, Nyaah!  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgh> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 12:11:29 -0700+ From: phstjohn@hotmail.com (Euphistopheles)o# Subject: Re: VI editor for OpenVMS? = Message-ID: <dcf45cbb.0204231111.1dee7d62@posting.google.com>a  B You can get ViM ("Vi IMproved", a superset) for VMS at www.vim.orgE which has downloadable binaries for Alpha and, I think, VAX; also GNUd* source code if you want to build your own.  B I had trouble with .vimrc (VMS doesn't love dots at the start of aB filename) and to get backspace working in INSERT mode, you have to figure out:u: :inore <control-V><backspace><space><control-V><Control-H>= which maps control-H to the backspace key. It will look like:s :inore ^? ^HC when you type it. You can get that in your initialization file onceeD you get that set up. I'm lousy with VMS but even a poorly configured vi makes me feel more at home.  
 Good luck, Yoof  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KGWS24VP1Q8Y6CT5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...J > > On OpenVMS system, I was figuring out how to search for a word throughI > > TPU or EDT editor.  Is there a copy of VI editor for OpenVMS?  I knowwK > > that vi editor originally was designed for Unix.  I was looking throughrC > > ftp.process.com but have not find a vi editor for OpenVMS yet.   > E > I'm not aware of any vi for VMS.  The question is WHY?  If you are rH > working on VMS, it is certainly worth the trouble to learn EDT and/or < > EVE.  Certainly searching for a word is trivial in either.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:46:15 GMTd% From: Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com>u# Subject: Re: VI editor for OpenVMS?oB Message-ID: <harris-085C65.18412123042002@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>  = In article <dcf45cbb.0204231111.1dee7d62@posting.google.com>,a-  phstjohn@hotmail.com (Euphistopheles) wrote:t  D X You can get ViM ("Vi IMproved", a superset) for VMS at www.vim.orgG X which has downloadable binaries for Alpha and, I think, VAX; also GNUe, X source code if you want to build your own. X D X I had trouble with .vimrc (VMS doesn't love dots at the start of a X filename) ...o  G Vim will let you use _vimrc instead of .vimrc for situations like this.   D X ......... and to get backspace working in INSERT mode, you have to
 X figure out:m< X :inore <control-V><backspace><space><control-V><Control-H>? X which maps control-H to the backspace key. It will look like:o X :inore ^? ^HE X when you type it. You can get that in your initialization file once F X you get that set up. I'm lousy with VMS but even a poorly configured  X vi makes me feel more at home. X  X Good luck, X Yoof X G X Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message t9 X news:<01KGWS24VP1Q8Y6CT5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>... L X > > On OpenVMS system, I was figuring out how to search for a word throughK X > > TPU or EDT editor.  Is there a copy of VI editor for OpenVMS?  I knowaM X > > that vi editor originally was designed for Unix.  I was looking through,E X > > ftp.process.com but have not find a vi editor for OpenVMS yet. p X > G X > I'm not aware of any vi for VMS.  The question is WHY?  If you are nJ X > working on VMS, it is certainly worth the trouble to learn EDT and/or > X > EVE.  Certainly searching for a word is trivial in either.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:35:11 +0000 (UTC)s From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk# Subject: Re: VI editor for OpenVMS?e+ Message-ID: <aa4r3e$ra8$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   w In article <01KGWS24VP1Q8Y6CT5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: I >> On OpenVMS system, I was figuring out how to search for a word through H >> TPU or EDT editor.  Is there a copy of VI editor for OpenVMS?  I knowJ >> that vi editor originally was designed for Unix.  I was looking throughB >> ftp.process.com but have not find a vi editor for OpenVMS yet.  >aD >I'm not aware of any vi for VMS.  The question is WHY?  If you are G >working on VMS, it is certainly worth the trouble to learn EDT and/or s; >EVE.  Certainly searching for a word is trivial in either.e  G There is a VI editor for VMS. It is called VILE and is available on thef2 Freeware v5.0 CD which is also available online at  : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/vile092/  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:56:50 GMTw2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)# Subject: Re: VI editor for OpenVMS?B9 Message-ID: <Chox8.20$qb5.393272@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>e  L In article <ucata1otvrfffc@corp.supernews.com>, sword7@speakeasy.org writes:  + :Is there a copy of VI editor for OpenVMS?    D   Please see the "vi clones" section of the OpenVMS Frequently AskedF   Questions (FAQ) document -- VIM and VILE (mentioned in the FAQ) are )   both available on the OpenVMS Freeware.k    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 14:21:50 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)G Subject: Re: VI editor for OpenVMS? (and EDT keypad on other platforms)r3 Message-ID: <V1kMO9cIOAxZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  U In article <3CC578B6.4020303@mmaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> writes:s > I >>>On OpenVMS system, I was figuring out how to search for a word throughnH >>>TPU or EDT editor.  Is there a copy of VI editor for OpenVMS?  I knowJ >>>that vi editor originally was designed for Unix.  I was looking throughB >>>ftp.process.com but have not find a vi editor for OpenVMS yet.  >>>r  K VILE is on the Freeware V4 CD. I haven't used it though; I try to stay wellf away from VI...b  J > The same argument can be made as to why VMS folks (which I have been to H > 22 years) don't use vi on Unix and find various edt emulators.  There J > are editing techniques that vi does better than edt, I can't say of eve H > because I never liked it from the beginning and therefore never spent I > much time with it, but the fact is, if you are flipping back and forth tI > between systems, having the same editor on both can be an aid, which I r+ > believe gets us back to my first point...e >   L Just in case anybody _is_ looking for the same editing interface on multiple
 platforms:  G I am really starting to like Emacs as it has EDT keypad emulation builtdI in, along with one or two TPU commands also supported, which means that IrJ get the power of Emacs along with the editing interface that I am used to.  H I've had it running in TPU mode in NT Emacs GUI mode on Win98 as well as? an xterm on linux configured with the DECxterm keyboard script.s  -F In fact, I am starting to like it sufficiently well that I am about toK install the (rather old) Emacs kit on the Freeware CD and hope that there'sr) not too much missing from this version...F   Simon.   -- tB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:11:24 GMTp2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 SDK?r9 Message-ID: <0Dnx8.16$dc5.411700@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>e  ` In article <r2gacu04kvj4odkmad6s99b3j2ek59eik9@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:  F :Can anyone tell me if there will be a 7.3-1 wide release SDK for beta3 :testers as has been the case with recent releases?o  C   I'm not aware of any plans for an SDK for the V7.3-1 release; I'dS3   asked a similiar question a couple of weeks back.   @   The folks that have the kits are more formal field test sites.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:31:53 -0400C- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> 2 Subject: Re: VT520 and VT420 terminal and PC mouse5 Message-ID: <aa4crq$7iddj$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>e  0 "IdrEASY" <IdrEASY@bigfoot.com> wrote in message# news:aa21qt$f4c$1@brown.net4u.hr...s > Hi!n >oH > Does it exist some "chemistry" for using PC mouse on VT terminals (I'd like  > to use it with SMG$ routines)?  L Back in the mid to late 80's there was a company in Israel that made a mouseH that could work with VT terminals (VT220???, maybe newer???). A person IE worked with was talking to the company about being the North AmericansL distributor, but I don't know what became of that. I recall him working withI SMG$ routines to handle the mouse, and I also remember shortly after thatmG ADMINS announced that their screen handler could deal with a mouse. I'm H assuming that this person sold or gave some of his stuff to ADMINS since! they had a long history together.V  L I just took a quick look at www.admins.com and see that they support a mouseI using KEA! or Reflection. Give them a try, they may know what happened tor@ this other company or maybe even how to hook up a PC type mouse.   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.a   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 15:07:36 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org9 Subject: Re: What does /UIC actually do in run/detached ?n3 Message-ID: <W3EUnuOeUtYS@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  \ In article <3CC59F1C.B47D7522@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  >> It works as documented.+ >> It says same _UIC_, not same _username_.  >  > N > However, if I want a detached process to run using UAF quotas and privilegesL > of a specific username, how do I accomplish that from the SYSTEM account ?O > (without submit/user or writing a program to impersonate desired user who mayi1 > not have the privs to start a detached process)N  @ You previously claimed that the folks doing this had DETACH (aka+ IMPERSONATE) privilege.  So now they don't?   M > What exactly is the point of having some process run with your username but  > another UIC ?t   Accounting.h   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 16:21:08 -0700& From: chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG)9 Subject: Re: What does /UIC actually do in run/detached ?u< Message-ID: <dd3f0cb7.0204231521.89cff94@posting.google.com>  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3CC59F1C.B47D7522@videotron.ca>...h! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  > > It works as documented.a, > > It says same _UIC_, not same _username_. >  >... cM > What exactly is the point of having some process run with your username but  > another UIC ?R  F In earlier versions of VMS a process's username was largely irrelavent> to it's function.  Before identifiers and ACLs were invented a= process's UIC and it's privileges were all that was needed tom) determine its rights to access an object.'   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:09:02 GMTD2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)9 Subject: Re: What does /UIC actually do in run/detached ?n9 Message-ID: <OAnx8.15$dc5.411700@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>   \ In article <3CC50EAD.5B20E8AA@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:M :Since /UIC in the run command does not behave as the documentation leads one L :to believe, and never has when creating detached processes, why was it everM :put in there and why does the documentation lead one to believe that you cankC :actually create a detached process running under a different UIC ?V  (   Because it really does work that way?   B   You are likely confusing the concept of the UIC with the conceptB   of the process identification -- the UIC is just a small part of=   the Access Rights Block and the Per-threads Security Block.dE   The full run-time context includes the username, the list of rightslC   associated with the process, the four privilege masks, and other  7   sundry data.  This not including the quotas and such.r  A   For details on the full process context, please see the detailsmA   of LOGINOUT in the Internals and Data Structures Manual (IDSM).e  B   For a tangentally-related discussion, a $creprc of LOGINOUT withD   the authorization flag controls the creation of the SYS$LOGIN and A   related logical names -- without the flag, the process does get >   created, but these logical names do not.  See Ask The Wizard	   (4383).o  I :VAX VMS 7.2 HELP RUN PROCESS  says that a detached process is created if L :/DETACHED *or* /UIC is specified. /UIC specifies that it gets created underL :the specified UIC. in the /DETACHED section, it specifies that the detachedD :process is created with the same username unless /UIC is specified.     And this is what it does.l  L :Why isn't there create and unequivocal text that states that no matter whatM :you specify, RUN /DETACHED and/or /UIC will always create a detached processe :running under your username ?  =   The username is not the UIC.   The UIC is not the username.o  E   The text translation of the UIC group or member -- if any -- might l"   or might not match the username.  @   Further, there can be many usernames sharing one UIC.  (CompaqD   OpenVMS Engineering generally recommends against this, of course.)    9 :And why was /UIC ever put ? what does it *actually* do ?b  D   When DETACH privilege -- now known as IMPERSONATE privilege -- is F   available, RUN/UIC creates the detached process under the specified A   UIC value.  DETACH privilege has nothing to do with detaching asD   procecss -- this was one of the more confusing aspects of the nameC   of the privilege -- rather it permitted commands such as RUN/UIC;t    it permits user impersonation.  hK :And is there a reason why RUN/UIC could not have been designed to actuallymL :start a process to run under the specified UIC, with that UIC's privileges - :and quotas (with /AUTHORIZE, or course) ????-  A   If you want to start up a process under another username, then RC   you need to use LOGINOUT, $sndjbc, SUBMIT/USER, or a call to the  D   persona services before (and potentially after) a call to $creprc.?   (This topic has been discussed on more than a few occasions.)d  O :Because of this, I am having to grant a username acesses and privileges that Ih4 :do not want to grant because it doesn't need them.   >   Because we don't know what particular privileged task(s) is >   required, we can't easily provide alternatives.  That said, ?   the (plug) DCL book covers most of the usual variations here.   I :In the past, I used SUBMIT/USER= to have the user start its own detachedaM :process, but this requires the user have batch access as well as the abilityt :to run/detached.,  C   All users have the ability to run detached processes, until they -   run out of their job quota.p  F :I fail to understand why RUN/UIC= was never actually implemented the & :way most people would want it to run.  G   The UIC concept dates back to RSX, where the UIC was the central key.m  G   OpenVMS has far more to the process identification than just the UIC.r  G   Long-time newsgroup readers may recall that I have -- on more than a gG   few occasions -- commented that changing UICs and the SET UIC commandb6   are bad news, and alternatives are recommended.  :-)  F   Related Ask The Wizard topics include (858), (1073), (1321), (1760),E   (3031), (3681), (4640), (4834), (5080), (6873), (7236), and likely f   a few other topics.l  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:33:34 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 9 Subject: Re: What does /UIC actually do in run/detached ?V, Message-ID: <3CC6277E.AF965FD5@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:tH >   Long-time newsgroup readers may recall that I have -- on more than aI >   few occasions -- commented that changing UICs and the SET UIC commanda8 >   are bad news, and alternatives are recommended.  :-)  E yep. And prior to posting my question, I used deja/google to see pasteM discussions, and found quite a few people were using SET UIC to issue to theneC issue commands or run/detached to manage Oracle and other products.r  I It is just that having to use SUBMIT/USER requires an addictional file totK manage, a file that does the RUN/DETACHED line which should/could have beenmI issued from the SYSTEM account to run under the proper username with that.9 username's authorisation (privileges, sys$login etc etc).s  H What i ended up doing is using decnet to trigger the file which does theJ run/detach and created a proxy to allow SYSTEM to connect to that usernameH without password. All that because RUN/UIC doesn't quite do what so many people need.  N Considering that Compaq wants VMS to focus on being a server, isn't it logicalK that SYSTEM (which run the system startup) should be able to directly start L processes running under various usernames without having to play tricks with decnet and submit/user ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:56:30 -0700i# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>-% Subject: where can I find older DECC?09 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBDENAA.tom@kednos.com>u  * Looking for DECC for Alpha older than 6.0,+ preferrably 5.6, not sure if there were anyp releases between the two.c  0 Is there a site from which it can be downloaded?  3 Alternatively, if someone has the savesets, perhapsa they could ftp them to me ?    Thanks Tom    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:54:45 -0400A* From: "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.nospam.com>1 Subject: Re: Why VMS is "unhackable" lesson 1 ...S3 Message-ID: <3cc5a05e$0$3335$8e9e3842@news.atx.net>o  1   Don't want to burst your bubble , but every O/S K   is hackable. The human factor comes into every equation. Did a programmerm make a mistake and leaveJ a intentional or unintentional hole. Did the system manager make a mistake in setup. Is VMS more secure* then most O/S's sure , unhackable ......No                        Rob    D > you see Andrew, it's like this ... on VMS, I put you in a box, andF > you can only move around and do the things I let you in your box ...C > without vms privilidges, you can't do a thing, unless I use thosedA > powerful acl's or proxies to extend your box ... I can give yousH > whatever I need to give you, but not give you access to the system ...G > in other words Andrew, a properly configured vms box is "UNHACKABLE"!c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:06:44 -0400 1 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com>t? Subject: Re: XP1000 does not recognize Compaq memory in  Bank 1 / Message-ID: <ucbtna11ak5083@news.supernews.com>s  5 You need to update to the latest firmware for a startt  1 I have the beep codes and led codes at the office.  C Call me on USA 912 447 6622 and I'll fax a copy of the codes to you-   David T-   -- Island Computers US Corp.: 2700 Gregory Streetr Savannah GA 31404m Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332d International: 001 912 447 6622a  Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 dbturner@hpaq.net4 www.hpaq.net      5 John Reagan <john.reagan@compaq.com> wrote in messages# news:3CC42DA4.8090405@compaq.com...M > Robert Deininger wrote:tL > > If you have the right manual for the XP1000, you can look up the meaning > > of the "4 beep" code.n > F > Sadly, there isn't a "right" manual for the XP1000.  The manual thatG > ships with the machine is the "Installation and Setup Guide" (sittingaG > right in front of me).  It doesn't even tell you how to open the casewH > much less install memory or give "beep codes".  The "Customer Support"? > chapter says that a "AlphaStation XP1000 System Reference andrF > Maintenance Guide" (which should describe memory installation) and aG > "AlphaStations XP1000 Technical Information Guide" (which should givem" > the beep codes) are available at1 > www.compaq.com/support/workstations/index.html.d >e@ > However, if you go there, there are no such manuals.  Just the: > "Installation and Setup Guide" and a "Dual Boot" manual. > F > I believe the books you want never were published.  I'll ask around. >9E > Do look carefully at the memory slots (they should be marked on thenG > circuit board).  The slots for Bank 0 vs 1 are not contigious or evenoD > consistent (if I remember correctly).  However, when I upgraded myI > XP1000, I just got 2 1-GB options so I didn't have to worry about whiche > slot was which.a > --
 > John ReaganM) > Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader- >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:34:55 GMTl" From: kkal@javakk.com (Ken Kalish)$ Subject: Re: [java] running detached/ Message-ID: <3cc99a9e.19452459@News.CIS.DFN.DE>-  > On 23 Apr 2002 12:17:49 -0500, briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  g >In article <3CC58AA0.326CBAB6@clarityconnect.com>, "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes:@3 >> Try adding /ERROR=TOMCAT.LOG to the RUN command.  >jB >Won't work.  He's running SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT as the image in theG >detached process.  And LOGINOUT.EXE maps SYS$OUTPUT and SYS$ERROR both51 >to the file identified in the /OUTPUT= qualifier@ >z> >The /ERROR= qualifier is essentially irrelevant in this case. > B >If the log file isn't working, the first thing to do is to get it >working.  o  A Well, the logfile is actually working. All of the output from thexK JAVA$131_SETUP COM file, (which precedes the call to Java.exe) is there. InrL fact, a *followup question* is about how to suppress that particular output,' since that logging is irrelevant to me.   > >Skip the java stuff and just put a $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Blah!"C >into the detached com file.  Once you get that output to appear inl< >the log file, you can start asking why Java output does not >appear there.  L In another test-case java program, which successfully runs as detached, I doF see the stdout/err from within my java program itself appearing in theN logfile. I'm thinking now that startup failure messages from java.exe might be handled differently.  L So, it's a Catch-22: I need the error msgs so I can know how to make it run,1 but when it won't run I can't see the error msgs.   A I supose that trial and error is the only way to proceed for now.d   > O >>> RUN/DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT /INPUT=TOMCAT$DET.COM /OUTPUT=TOMCAT.LOG -o >>>     /PROCESS=TOMCATh >>> P >>> then the error that Java reports goes unseen. How do I get the stdout/err to! >>> the terminal or to a logfile?m > D >I'd be looking at the possibility that in the absence of /AUTHORIZEG >and in the absence of fully qualified file names, the detached processr  K Well, I was thinking that this program might be having a classpath or othersE path problem. But the detached java process does apparently know whatmN directory it is running in. OTOH, I can run the COM wrapper interactively with& no problem - only the detached fails.   ; >can't find TOMCAT$DET.COM.  It doesn't know where to look.z  H one quick question: should the '$' char be used only in logicals, not in filenames, by convention?c   >oG >And I'd be using $ ACCOUNTING to see if the exit code for the detached ( >process is consistent with this theory. >y
 >	John Briggst  > I don't have privilege for that, being a user on Doc's vmsbox.  M The log itself does include some accounting info, but only on resources used.    Thanks for the help, John. e -- i   Regards,  
 Ken Kalish   there is no Java cartelk   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 02:22:00 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>I Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Semi-automatic clutch. (was Re: learning how to usew- Message-ID: <878z7enulz.fsf@prep.synonet.com>-  + p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:-   > Tiptronic - Porsche and Audi.  > Steptronic - BMW4 > Variations on the same theme - other manufacturers  D > Hey, at least we have drifted to talking about technology which is > available today :-) :-)   D And for back to the future, Citroen with the 'hydralique' semi-auto.C Used a standard 4 speed box with hydralic actuators for the change,mE plus a hydralic actuator for the clutch. With prctice, you can get it   to change gears stunningly fast!  D Some one mentioned the DAF. The other user of that was, wait for it,F Vespa! They had a 500cc scooter with CVT that could pull the Earth outD of orbit! I saw some one tow several tonnes with a scooter! The backC tire was NOT happy :) They are also used in various other machines.tA Massey Fergerson use then for thrasher drive, and also for groundaH drive on some Self-propelled harvesters. We had a MF585 and the variable) speed drive never gave a hint of trouble.u  A Van Dorne set up a seperate company years ago and was doing stuffg with Ford. r   -- d< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.225 ************************