1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 24 Apr 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 226       Contents:; Re: 2.9-6 (Re: SIMH 2.9-5 - first official VAX release) VMS ! Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network  RE: adapter for 4000 ?: allow users to read a "log" file as it is being written to Re: Alpha 3000/5005 AMD To Announce Microsoft Support For New Chip Family  Basic ECO questoion  Re: Basic ECO questoion  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Blade architectures  Re: Cache Performance  Re: Cache Performance  Cluster Interconnects  Re: Cluster Interconnects  Re: Cluster Interconnects  Re: Compaq and HP stock prices Re: Compaq and HP stock prices4 Re: creat function hanging -- Code snippet provided!4 Re: creat function hanging -- Code snippet provided!* Re: cxxlink problems with JNI_CreateJavaVM* Re: cxxlink problems with JNI_CreateJavaVM* Re: cxxlink problems with JNI_CreateJavaVM* Re: cxxlink problems with JNI_CreateJavaVM  Re: DEC 3000/400 VMS 6.2 problem  Re: DEC 3000/400 VMS 6.2 problem  Re: DEC 3000/400 VMS 6.2 problem  Re: DEC 3000/400 VMS 6.2 problem DSSI Interconnect  Re: DSSI Interconnect   Re: Free Encyption tool for VMS?- Re: getting SIMH 2.9-6/VAX + VMS configured ? ) Re: How to prevent smtp relay w/Multinet? ) Re: How to prevent smtp relay w/Multinet? - Re: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium! - Re: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium! 0 Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!0 Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!0 Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!3 Re: IONA Application Server / OpenVMS Press Release > Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)> Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)> Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)1 Re: Mails with long lines (> 255 bytes) truncated 9 Re: Major Virus Alert!  Better get on VMS now or bye bye! ? Re: markup vs wysiwyg (was: Re: learning how to use a computer)  Re: Mime hole virus  Re: Newbie meets OpenVMS ;)  Re: Newbie meets OpenVMS ;)  Re: Reading a file in java+ Re: Searching for DECserver 90M Boot Images : somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?!> Re: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?!> Re: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?!> Re: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?!> Re: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?!  Re: Suggestion: SET DEVICE/RESET Re: tape problems #2 TCPWare Vs MultiNet  Re: TCPWare Vs MultiNet  Re: TCPWare Vs MultiNet  Re: TCPWare Vs MultiNet  Re: TCPWare Vs MultiNet O Re: The 'tone' of c.o.v. (was Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!) O Re: The 'tone' of c.o.v. (was Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!) O Re: The 'tone' of c.o.v. (was Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!)  RE: TLZ7L Autoloader Re: TLZ7L Autoloader Re: TLZ7L Autoloader Re: TLZ7L Autoloader Re: TLZ7L Autoloader Re: TLZ7L Autoloader Re: VAX/Alpha CI Re: VAX/Alpha CI VAXCLUSTER license Re: VAXCLUSTER license- Re: VAXCLUSTER license (from ISVnet/ASAP/CSA)  Re: VI editor for OpenVMS? Re: VMS 7.3-1 SDK? Re: VMS 7.3-1 SDK?' Re: VMS on http://www.windows-sucks.org ' Re: VMS on http://www.windows-sucks.org 2 WAS...RE: TLZ7L Autoloader... NOW... ABS MDMS V4.0  Re: where can I find older DECC?  RE: where can I find older DECC?" WIN2000 printing to LPS17 problems# X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display ' Re: X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display ; Re: X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display (problem solved!!!) 6 Re: XP1000 does not recognize Compaq memory in  Bank 16 Re: XP1000 does not recognize Compaq memory in  Bank 16 Re: XP1000 does not recognize Compaq memory in  Bank 1  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:41:27 -0600 ' From: Thomas Dzubin <dzubint@vcn.bc.ca> D Subject: Re: 2.9-6 (Re: SIMH 2.9-5 - first official VAX release) VMS$ Message-ID: <3CC699E7.372@vcn.bc.ca>   Bob Supnik wrote: F > Found the bug that was causing integer overflow in SDL installation.H > In EDIV, if divisor and dividend had different signs, and the quotient- > was 0, the test for overflow was incorrect.  > : > Both this and the CASEL fix are released as 2.9-6 today.  
 Wonderful!@ This morning, I booted up NetBSD so I could "dd" the VMS InstallG CD to a file, rebooted into MS-Windows-98, started a DOS BOX, ran SIMH, F loaded the file, ran standalone backup to retrieve VMS061.B, installed0 VMS, loaded License PAKs, and HEY! HEY! HEY! ...$ I'm running VMS 6.1 under MSWindoze!  I Unfortunately, it feels like I'm doing something perverse and dirty.  So  D I immediately ran downstairs to my basement where I booted up a real VAX.  I feel much better now.   H now, if you could get some DELQA emulation running, I'd be set for life. :-)   D Thanks Bob for all of the hard work you've put into the VAX & PDP-11 parts  of SIMH!  
 Thomas Dzubin    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 03:48:26 -0700$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho)* Subject: Re: Accessing CD-ROM over network= Message-ID: <d0141774.0204240248.1d71dda7@posting.google.com>   D This seems like such a nice trick, I'm surprised it hasn't made it's way into the FAQ.   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3CC4C5DF.5E4DE813@fsi.net>... > issinoho wrote:  > >  > > For all concerned, > > J > > Keith's procedure outlined below worked like a charm and allowed me toC > > create a "virtual CD" on my VAX using an image file. Procedure:  > >  > > 1. Put VAX CD in Linux box. 4 > > 2. Take image, dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/tmp/disk.img& > > 3. Binary FTP this file to the VAX& > > 4. Install LD from the Freeware CD1 > > 5. Attach file, LD CONNECT/LOG disk.img LDA1: & > > 6. Mount disk, MOUNT LDA1: <label> > >  > > Lovely.  > I > Quite literally, this is the reverse of the process of preparing an ODS C > disk image on VMS using LD or VD, FTP-ing that to another machine J > (Linux, *BSD, WhineBloze, ...), then burning a CD-R from it on that box. > 1 > Very logical, and - I'm sure - very successful!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:37:42 -0400 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: adapter for 4000 ? - Message-ID: <0033000061337486000002L062*@MHS>   H =0AI seem to recall that this topic (or one quite similar) is mentioned=  in the H OpenVMS FAQ, and a DEC part number that will make this conversion is li= sted.    WWWebb       -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET % Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 7:11 PM B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: adapter for 4000 ?     H Mitsubishi used to have a device called 'FA-1' that they shipped with t= heirH monitors (say 5-6 years ago). It was a small 2"x3"x3"  silver colored t= hingH that had 5 BNC connectors on one side and a DB-15 connector on the othe= r  side.   H I used one for a short while on a 4000/60 for synch-on-green for use wi= th a' monochrome video adapter in the VS4000.   H You might try the local electronics surplus stores to see if they have = any  kicking around.     9 "David Michaels" <michaedi@email.uc.edu> wrote in message & news:3CC40933.D8B6EB4A@email.uc.edu... > Hi > H > Is there an adapter that will allow VAXstation 4000 computers to use = a  > SVGA 15 pin monitor. >  >  >  >  > Thanks > David Michaels > michaedi@email.uc.edu=   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:16:41 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> C Subject: allow users to read a "log" file as it is being written to ; Message-ID: <01KGYAUDRK7K8Y6W8D@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   > I would like to open a file from DCL, periodically write some ? information to it, and have this information visible (e.g. via  H TYPE/TAIL/CONTINUOUS) to other users.  OPEN/WRITE/SHARE=READ seems like F the obvious solution.  However, the data are not visible: DIR/SIZ=ALL I shows a used size of 0 and an allocated size which increases as data are  G added.  Only after a too long time does the used size increase above 0   and data become visible.  D Do I need some sort of method of "flushing the buffer" so that, for @ example, the output of each WRITE command shows up more or less  immediately on disk?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:12:24 -0400   From: "Dave" <nospam@nospam.com> Subject: Re: Alpha 3000/500 / Message-ID: <ucdbq3oiai7tb7@corp.supernews.com>   ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message D news:rdeininger-2304022152180001@1cust63.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...L : In article <ucarkrraghg8a1@corp.supernews.com>, "Dave" <nospam@nospam.com> : wrote:   <snip>  I : >2) For a DEC 3000/400 to run VMS 7.2, a firmware upgrade is needed.  I  haveJ : >SROM V1.0, which apparently has a bug which prohibits certain firmawareF : >upgrades.  I would need to purchase new SROM (part #23-333E7-00) to upgrade = : >my firmware.   This may be different for the DEC 3000/500.  : H : All of the DEC 3000-400 systems I have looked at recently have the oldK : SROM, and current (V7.0) SRM firmware.  I think, but haven't found proof, H : that the firmware upgrade danger was eliminated a number of years ago. : F : The -500 never had this SROM problem, but there was another bug manyK : releases ago.  Since the -500 (and -800 and -900) have 1 flash ROM on the L : system board and 1 on the I/O board, it was possible when switching boardsK : to end up with mismatched ROMs.  In particular, you could get a situation K : where neither ROM included an ethernet driver (since the driver was moved J : from one ROM to the other at some point), and the console could not dealH : with the interrupts from the device.  This problem was also fixed in a : subsequent release.   K Thanks for the info.  I have one question about the SROM issue though.  The C SROM is a 27C512 chip.  The part number is 23-309E7-00.  If I had a K 23-333E7-00 from another Alpha (presumably another 27C512), and access to a E burner, is possible to copy the one into the other?  Then upgrade (if ( needed) to the firmware revision to 7.0?  L Since I have a couple of spare systems, I'm going to try an upgrade my 309E7J (revision 5.1) to 7.0 to see if it works.  I don't feel like paying CompaqL the $2 they're asking for a 23-333E7-00.  The shipping is probably more than	 the chip.   
 Thanks again.    -- Dave "stirkus ersu venete"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:37:00 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) > Subject: AMD To Announce Microsoft Support For New Chip Family9 Message-ID: <gqzx8.8088$d17.330533@typhoon.austin.rr.com> & Keywords: amd,hammer,microsoft,support  =    http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/3125309.htm     Mercury News | 04/23/2002 |  8    AMD to announce Microsoft support for new chip family      By Therese Poletti     Mercury News      A   "Advanced Micro Devices, Intel's main rival in the PC processor E    business, is expected to announce today that it has gained crucial @    support from Microsoft for AMD's next-generation chip family,    code-named Hammer.      E    The development comes on the heels of testimony last week by AMD's G    feisty chief executive, Jerry Sanders, on behalf of Microsoft during G    its antitrust remedy trial, at the behest of Microsoft Chairman Bill 	    Gates.      F    AMD is also expected to unveil the brand name of its new chip line,G    which will mark the Sunnyvale company's entry into the more powerful I    realm of 64-bit computing and its attempt to compete with Intel in the &    high-end desktop and server market.     D    Intel has already launched the first versions of its Itanium chipB    family for very powerful servers, and Microsoft is developing aD    version of Windows XP that runs on Itanium. Currently, the 64-bit+    version of Windows is a limited edition.      G    AMD is hosting a conference call today after the stock market closes G    to make two significant announcements, a spokeswoman said, declining E    to provide further details. But a source close to the company said F    that AMD will announce Microsoft's support with a 64-bit version ofF    Windows that will run on AMD's Hammer chip line. The first chips inF    the Hammer family, code-named ClawHammer, are due at the end of the     year, for the desktop market.     @    Jim Cullinan, a spokesman for Microsoft, declined to comment.     F    Last week, in his testimony, Sanders said that a proposed antitrustA    remedy, especially one that would require Microsoft to develop F    multiple versions of Windows, would harm AMD, the computer industry    and consumers.      D    During cross-examination, Howard Gutman, an attorney for the nineA    states seeking a tougher remedy against Microsoft than the one ?    proposed by the Justice Department, implied that Sanders was I    testifying because he wanted to get Microsoft's support for the Hammer H    chips. But Sanders later told analysts and reporters that ``there wasH    no quid pro quo,'' adding that AMD has been working with Microsoft on)    its 64-bit operating system for years.      H    ``The work had already been done,'' said Nathan Brookwood, an analystH    with Insight 64, a consulting firm in Saratoga. ``This is a big deal.F    It is important for Microsoft to come out and say this is something    they are behind.''      E    In the high-end desktop market, analysts believe that AMD's Hammer H    line could prove to be a serious threat to Intel's fastest Pentium 4,1    which is a less powerful 32-bit computer chip.      E    But in the big server market, where a dwindling number of computer F    vendors have mostly decided to support Intel's Itanium, AMD faces a    tough battle.     G    ``As much as they may be knocking down the technology barriers, they H    still have some marketing challenges ahead of them,'' Brookwood said.F      _________________________________________________________________     @    Contact Therese Poletti at tpoletti@sjmercury.com or at (415)
    477-2510."           H --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edu  (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:40:43 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>  Subject: Basic ECO questoion= Message-ID: <fJxx8.70405$nc.10129543@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>   G Is there a generally accepted method for implementing new ECOs?  Let me  explain my question?  L We have a development system, a QA system and a production system. I am sureJ this is common.  Programmers are always making program changes and testingJ these changes on their development system.  When they have a module ready,H they move it to the QA system.  QA has quite a backlog, so they test theL programs  based on priority and when they approve a new program change, they! move it to the production system.   L When a new ECO comes out, (for example, the new VMS721_RMS-V0400) if I applyG it to the development system first, they may see some changes that will K dissappear, or won't work the same when moved to QA.  Same thing if I apply , it to the QA or the Production system first.  H It seems the only safe way is to schedule time to apply the patch to ALLJ systems at once, but even then, the QA system will have programs that wereC developed both before and after the patch was installed, so we have ! potential for various behaviours.   K If we apply the patch to the development system first, should we freeze all I movement of new programs until Develoment is satisfied, and until all the J backlog is cleared from QA, then apply the ECO to the QA system and move aF whole batch of changes from DEV to QA.  Then freeze QA until they haveJ tested all ECOS, then apply the ECO to Production and move all programs toD Production?  This would cause a huge uproar.  Maybe a whole bunch of? development systems and QA systems for each ECO revision. ouch.   H How do other people handle this?  We are not about to implement new ECOsI into production without at least minimal testing on our part.  With major K upgrades (and funding) we find a way to dedicate a development system and a K QA system for testing the new release, but we cannot have a separate systeme for each ECO release.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:54:22 -0400d1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>,  Subject: Re: Basic ECO questoion2 Message-ID: <3CC6AAFE.6DEAC09E@firstdbasource.com>   "John N." wrote: > I > Is there a generally accepted method for implementing new ECOs?  Let men > explain my question? > N > We have a development system, a QA system and a production system. I am sureL > this is common.  Programmers are always making program changes and testingL > these changes on their development system.  When they have a module ready,J > they move it to the QA system.  QA has quite a backlog, so they test theN > programs  based on priority and when they approve a new program change, they# > move it to the production system.s > N > When a new ECO comes out, (for example, the new VMS721_RMS-V0400) if I applyI > it to the development system first, they may see some changes that will.M > dissappear, or won't work the same when moved to QA.  Same thing if I applyi. > it to the QA or the Production system first. > J > It seems the only safe way is to schedule time to apply the patch to ALLL > systems at once, but even then, the QA system will have programs that wereE > developed both before and after the patch was installed, so we havei# > potential for various behaviours.o > M > If we apply the patch to the development system first, should we freeze alleK > movement of new programs until Develoment is satisfied, and until all thelL > backlog is cleared from QA, then apply the ECO to the QA system and move aH > whole batch of changes from DEV to QA.  Then freeze QA until they haveL > tested all ECOS, then apply the ECO to Production and move all programs toF > Production?  This would cause a huge uproar.  Maybe a whole bunch ofA > development systems and QA systems for each ECO revision. ouch.p > J > How do other people handle this?  We are not about to implement new ECOsK > into production without at least minimal testing on our part.  With major M > upgrades (and funding) we find a way to dedicate a development system and aoM > QA system for testing the new release, but we cannot have a separate systemh > for each ECO release.a  G I would always put the patch in the test environment first to make sure-H that it doesn't break existing code... they are usually patches that fixH some problem, not necessarily new functionality.  Then move it to QA forF final assessment of production code and finally into production.  If aH patch breaks your code, you should find out why that happened and see ifG the patch has broken something else.  Unless the patch addresses a down A production system, I would use this methodology and deal with theeH process.  If you identified code in test that needed modification beforeD it was scheduled for QA, then fix the problem and resubmit to the QA process.   -- r Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163l7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.coms Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)  704-236-4377 (Mobile)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:57:16 GMTt) From: Tom Van Vleck <thvv@multicians.org>h  Subject: Re: Blade architecturesB Message-ID: <thvv-49AC5A.07570624042002@news.comcast.giganews.com>   Edward Rice wrote:1 > Makes me glad I mostly missed the 645 era, Tom.    This was 6180 days, late 70s.d, Forget which big benchmark it was tried on..  B > Did CISL ever look at starting processes with a set of availableL > page-frames, knowing up front that a login or new_proc was going to take aG > goodly set of pages and want them all in a fair hurry?  It might havetK > required release-to-release adjustments, but it ought to have been nicely % > predictable within a major release.   9 Multics did this.  It was called pre-paging/post-purging.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:40:36 GMTe+ From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>   Subject: Re: Blade architectures( Message-ID: <u1q15i68.fsf@earthlink.net>  - Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes: E > the stuff I did for cms & cp (originally in the early '70s) ... hadeH > the CMS side of the API as advisotry and left CP to decide how best toF > fulfill the request based on load and configuration .... aka in someE > instances it would effectively do block read for all or some subsetpH > ... and in other instances it would just go with individual page faultG > from the binary image in the CMS filesystem (much more representative + > of xt/at/370 configuration), random refs:n0 > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#mmap  D The other thing that I did was to support shared segments as part ofE the CMS program creation and then loading ... which had to extend the D module format to include optional shared segment specification. ThisB got more complicated in the API ... since CMS knows about symbolicA things ... but the CP part of an API effectively only knows about C hardware resources (like disk record addresses) .. and the securitynC boundary between is between the CMS and CP API. In any case, I usediC the original disk record home location as the global "name" for thecE shared segment (allowing use across multiple CMS processes). In order E for that to be reliably unique ... the other pages in the segment hadeD to also have a predictable home location ... the easiest was to have> them sequential incrementing. That created a problem since CMSF normally just did bit-mapped scatter allocation ... to get contiguous,= sequential allocation, I had to add a new interface to recordDE allocation that would allocate a contiguous segment worth of records.d  H Since a optional header had been added for shared segment specification,K we also looked at doing finer grain pre-page advisory ... using information_E gathered from vs/repack ... something we never actually got around toiF doing ... so it was left to CP guessing ... within the context of load: and configuration at the time the operation was initiated.  F vs/repack was some technology that the science center developed in theB early 70s and was used on a number of products (like ims, etc) forA "migration" to virtual memory operation and finally released as a  product in the mid-70s.   F D. Hatfield & J. Gerald, Program Restructuring for Virtual Memory, IBM Systems Journal, v10n3, 1971   misc. vs/repack refs:hI http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html#4 360/67, was Re: IBM's Project F/S ?hI http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html#5 360/67, was Re: IBM's Project F/S ?hE http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#7 IBM 7090 (360s, 370s, apl, etc),M http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#68 The Melissa Virus or War on Microsoft?gN http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000g.html#30 Could CDR-coding be on the way back?S http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#83 Z/90, S/390, 370/ESA (slightly off topic)1N http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001c.html#10 Memory management - Page replacementI http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001c.html#31 database (or b-tree) page sizeseI http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001c.html#33 database (or b-tree) page sizessd http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#20 Very CISC Instuctions (Was: why the machine word size ...)H http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002c.html#28 OS Workloads : Interactive etcL http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002c.html#45 cp/67 addenda (cross-post warning)L http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002c.html#46 cp/67 addenda (cross-post warning)P http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002c.html#49 Swapper was Re: History of Login NamesA http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#50 IBM going after Strobe?h   -- cH Anne & Lynn Wheeler   | lynn@garlic.com -  http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:37:47 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e Subject: Re: Cache Performance' Message-ID: <3CC6990B.4E1DADC2@aaa.com>o  . Paul, are your sure he was memory constraint ?0 He had 2.5 Gb mem, and he should be able to cope1 with VCC_MAXSIZE a little bit higher then 6400...(   Jan-Erik Sderholm.w       Paul Repacholi wrote:s > ( > "Bill Clark" <bclark@lrgh.org> writes: >  > >  yes, VIOC is the tool.  > >  VCC_MAXSIZE = 6400.5 > >  default settings on the dual HSZ-50 controllers.c2 > >  measurements are primarily hit-rate, but also: > >  have 'benchmarked' several tasks for elapsed runtime. > = > Ring David Island and swoop on his deal on memory, and thenp > deal with VCC_MAXSIZE. :)  >  > "Buy more memory"  >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.sB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:41:52 GMTe$ From: "Bill Clark" <bclark@lrgh.org> Subject: Re: Cache PerformanceA Message-ID: <A7Cx8.77882$ro5.6686945@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   	 greetings6  9  you are correct, the problem was not 'RAXCo' per se. but09  as you point out, on a production system i didn't reallyt7  have the luxury of making too fine a distinction - ando7  since VMS and the third party stuff are 'given', RAXCo   had to go.p;  and yes i agree - the performance increase was noticeable,   and sorely missed !  :  i was not trying to impugn Perfect Cacher in my messages;7  i simply didn't mean to go into too much detail either 1  way since that was not the goal of the exercise.t  8  i was able to work with a veryfine VMS type from RAXCo,6  one 'Jim Hibbetts' by name, who did in fact state the8  problem you mentioned : the AST evidence pointed to the;  probability that the application software could not handlem)  the speed of the I/O's. what a world....t    thanks for your responses...e   al bclark@lrgh.org / "Bill Clark" <bclark@lrgh.org> wrote in message < news:0VUw8.151859$K5.12832746@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > greetingsgA >     have been troubled by cache performance, and have tried twoe third-party B >     replacements. 1 - RAXCO Cacher was very fast but caused some > applicationsK >     to 'cease',  2 - IOXpress was not appreciably faster than the OPENVmse > native >     product. >eK >     any general opinions or suggestions on improving cache performance on K >     an Alpha 4100 server, OpenvVMS 7.1-2, 2.5 G memory, running 'routine'eH >     data-processing applications (nothing fancy, no orbital mechanics, > graphics, etc).E >S >     thanks >l > bclark@lrgh.orgM >i >  >e >C   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 03:52:34 -0700$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) Subject: Cluster Interconnects= Message-ID: <d0141774.0204240252.549ba284@posting.google.com>.   Guys,   C Is there any way to tell which type of interconnects are being used.D within a cluster by interrogating VMS? I'm thinking SHO DEV, SYSGEN, etc.   Many Thanks,	 Issinoho.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:17:39 +0100u( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>" Subject: Re: Cluster Interconnects) Message-ID: <3CC69453.B09AC02F@127.0.0.1>V   issinoho wrote:  >  > Guys,  > E > Is there any way to tell which type of interconnects are being useddF > within a cluster by interrogating VMS? I'm thinking SHO DEV, SYSGEN, > etc.    ( Go to http://askq.compaq.com/askopenvms/   and ask the question:r  - "use sda to determine preferred cluster path"1   Comes up at article 1.  E As you are asking a question and addressed us as 'guys' seeing as theoD answer comes from "askopenvms", what gender is our beloved operating system?n   -- p( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:23:33 -0400-0 From: "Rob L Lyons" <rob.lyons@resilientsys.com>" Subject: Re: Cluster Interconnects* Message-ID: <aa6bkh$gs$1@bob.news.rcn.net>  E > Is there any way to tell which type of interconnects are being usedAF > within a cluster by interrogating VMS? I'm thinking SHO DEV, SYSGEN, > etc.  8 How about SHOW CLUSTER/CONT and then add ADD CONNECTIONS or ADD CIRCUITS.  F Use SDA to SHOW LAN.  This is my preferred method to find what devicesF have been configured as cluster interconnects (you will see SDA/SCS asH one of the protocols started on the device) since I can look at counters and tell where the load is.s  	 Rob Lyons  Resilient Systems, Inc.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:43:33 GMTa- From: Terry C Shannon <shannon@world.std.com>e' Subject: Re: Compaq and HP stock prices'C Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.30.0204241039310.1718-100000@world.std.com>m  $ On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, JF Mezei wrote:  A > Intertesting article about Compaq/HP stock price relationships.e > 8 > Spread Between H-P, Compaq Widens On First Day Of Suit >D >   4/23/02 3:41pm >   By Donna Fuscaldo. >- >   Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES > J >   NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- On the first day of Walter Hewlett's court caseN > aiming to derail the merger of Hewlett-Packard Co. (HWP) and Compaq ComputerJ > Corp. ( CPQ), the spread between the two companies' stock prices widenedP > slightly, as fear resonated through the market that  Hewlett holds information > that could help his case.s >i    I Yup. Doesn't bode well for a positive outcome for the Silicon Valley Soapi Opera, does it?s  G CPQ managed to hold its own, sort of, in 1FQ02. Gotta wonder what HWP's & next quarterly numbers will look like.  @ One of the ironies of the acquisition is the claim of "financialD accretiveness." That seemed dubious right from the get-go. One wouldG expect a merger of this magnitude to have negative short-term financial/H ramifications, and both parties woulda been better off dealing with thisJ matter head-on and articulating the long-term benefits of the acquisition.  D Yeah, I know, Wall Street is too shortsighted to see beyond the next" quarter, never mind the next year!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:15:34 GMTt* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: Compaq and HP stock pricestC Message-ID: <WKBx8.161172$3L2.14224097@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>-  : "Terry C Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in message= news:Pine.SGI.4.30.0204241039310.1718-100000@world.std.com...R >a >t& > On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, JF Mezei wrote: >8C > > Intertesting article about Compaq/HP stock price relationships.t > >i: > > Spread Between H-P, Compaq Widens On First Day Of Suit > >t > >   4/23/02 3:41pm > >   By Donna Fuscaldo  > >b > >   Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES > > L > >   NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- On the first day of Walter Hewlett's court caseG > > aiming to derail the merger of Hewlett-Packard Co. (HWP) and CompaqE ComputerL > > Corp. ( CPQ), the spread between the two companies' stock prices widenedF > > slightly, as fear resonated through the market that  Hewlett holds information" > > that could help his case.h > >d >B >cK > Yup. Doesn't bode well for a positive outcome for the Silicon Valley Soapd > Opera, does it?i  J Depends on one's point of view:  I'd say things are definitely looking up.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 07:01:09 -0700, From: bubbapig@hotmail.com (Jeffrey Cameron)= Subject: Re: creat function hanging -- Code snippet provided!C= Message-ID: <b22333b7.0204240601.46052d5e@posting.google.com>   5 I would like to thank you all for your advice so far.   1 The syntax I am passing to the creat function is i  E filedesc = creat(temp, 0777, "alq=36", "mrs=length*4+4", "ctx=xplct",  "rfm=var");   F where temp is a string (char *) at most 66 characters long, and length2 is an integer variable which in this case is 6412.  E I HAVE used the debugger, this is how I figured it was in an infinitevB loop. The creat function goes into some code (machine instructionsD since Compaq doesn't provide source for its libraries it seems) in aC module called SHARE$DECC$SHR_CODE0, where it loops continuously. BYHE taking Hein's recommendation and using the analyzer I have discoveredvD that no locks are being sought or held by my offending process. Some things of note though:  A -The CPU is crunching happily away, however no I/O operations areo going on to speak of.o  F -The Stack Pointer continuously switches between two values indicating? to me that it is entering a function and exiting it constantly.   F -WE were unable to find the wait state of the program. perhaps someone# could fill me in on how to do that.   E -thru the analiyser we determined that no channels or disks were busy 
 -no busy fabsgF -no locks waiting (there shoudnt be anyways, I am creating a brand-new$ file, not writing out to an old one)  F This happens with only three of the 10,000 files I have tested so far. It is possible that.  D So hope that helps shed some light on the situation. If you can shed4 some light then thanks if not then thanks anyways :)  q bubbapig@hotmail.com (Jeffrey Cameron) wrote in message news:<b22333b7.0204220950.3b923913@posting.google.com>...r# > I have a rather bizarre problem. e > G > I am writing a program which will read and write out certain files of A > aformat used by an internally designed program. I have recentlymH > re-written these in C++. To perform the I/O on the files I have to useH > the creat() function to open the file descriptors with the appropriate > RMS parameters.i > D > My problem is this. For certain files (and no rhyme or reason) theE > program hangs (and enters an infinite loop by all inidications fromrG > the show process command) and will not go beyond the execution of theeE > creat() function. I know this because I have placed cout statements A > before and after it and only the ones immediately before it are  > executed.e > H > Has anyone else encountered this problem and found a solution? Is this > a bug of some type?y >  > Thanks in advance  > Jeff Cameron   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:17:07 +0000 (UTC)l% From: John Forkosh <john@invalid.com> = Subject: Re: creat function hanging -- Code snippet provided!e, Message-ID: <aa6paj$kdj$1@reader1.panix.com>  - Jeffrey Cameron <bubbapig@hotmail.com> wrote:u7 : I would like to thank you all for your advice so far.a  3 : The syntax I am passing to the creat function is t  G : filedesc = creat(temp, 0777, "alq=36", "mrs=length*4+4", "ctx=xplct",w
 : "rfm=var");   9 I'm guessing you can't do arithmetic in "mrs=length*4+4".  Try this instead:t   char mrs_string[99];( sprintf(mrs_string,"mrs=%d",length*4+4);K filedesc = creat(temp, 0777, "alq=36", mrs_string, "ctx=xplct", "rfm=var");i   --= John Forkosh ( emailto: j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:16:26 +0200a% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>a3 Subject: Re: cxxlink problems with JNI_CreateJavaVMo% Message-ID: <3cc677ea$1@news.post.ch>    Hello,  G the problem is - i think - that the JNI library contains all names casedC sensitive. So you have to compile your code with the /names=(as_is)sE qualifier. If this causes other compilation problems, you can use thewD #pragma names for the jni.h include, but only if you have a very new compiler version.d   best regards   Jakob    --I What I publish in this group, is to be understood as my personal opninionbA and must not be interpreted as a official statement of my company(    . "Sammy" <hchen3@uwo.ca> schrieb im Newsbeitrag7 news:2c0966c2.0204231214.61f350ad@posting.google.com...@ > Hi:a >o@ >   I am writing a program in C++ which will call some java codeD > (JNI_CreateJavaVM to be specefic) to load the JVM to use some Java
 > package.? > I have no problem compiling the program.  However, i receivedd@ > "undefined symbol" error for the JNI method when i try to link > everything together. >w > Here is the show:e >  > $ type test.cppg > #include <iostream.h>  > #include <jni.h> > #include <stdio.h> > " > int main(int argc, char* argv[]) > {  > JNIEnv *env; > JavaVM *jvm; > jint res; 
 > jclass cls;t > jmethodID mid; > jobjectArray args; > jstring jstr;j > JavaVMInitArgs vm_args;  > JavaVMOption options[2]; >/8 > char agentparm[64] = "\"-Dfile.properties=PARM.TXT\"";9 > char classpath[64] = "\"-Djava.class.path=.:FUN.JAR\"";l >@ >l > // Initialize args& > options[0].optionString = agentparm;& > options[1].optionString = classpath;$ > vm_args.version = JNI_VERSION_1_2; > vm_args.options = options; > vm_args.nOptions = 2;s( > vm_args.ignoreUnrecognized = JNI_TRUE; >s > // Create the Java VMe6 > res = JNI_CreateJavaVM(&jvm,(void **)&env,&vm_args); > if (res < 0) > {i" > printf("Can't create Java VM.");
 > exit(1); > }d >r > jstr = env->NewStringUTF("");nC > args = env->NewObjectArray(1, env->FindClass("java/lang/String"),t > jstr);( > cls = env->FindClass("fun/FunDriver"); > if (cls == 0)f > {t, > printf("Can't find fun/FunDriver class.");
 > exit(1); > }n >uF > mid = env->GetStaticMethodID(cls, "main", "([Ljava/lang/String;)V"); > if (mid == 0)  > {M1 > printf("Can't find fun/FunDriver.main class.");o
 > exit(1); > }u >f, > env->CallStaticVoidMethod(cls, mid, args); >a > return 0;o > }e >m > $ Type case.opt  > case_sensitive=YES< > SYS$COMMON:[JAVA$131.JRE.LIB.ALPHA]JAVA$JAVA_SHR.EXE/SHAREA > $ cxx /prefix=all /float=ieee /ieee=denorm /names=(short,as_is)  > /reentrancy=multithreada >bL /include=(sys$common:[java$131.include],sys$common:[java$131.include.alpha], [])d
 > test.cpp0 > $ (compiled without a problem, i got test.obj) > $i > $ cxxlink test,case/optp' > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol:aH > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         int JNI_CreateJavaVM(JavaVM_ **, void **, void > *) CE > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol int JNI_CreateJavaVM(JavaVM_ **,h > void **, voi > d *) C referencedl+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000090  >         in module TEST filea5 > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SCHEN.CORBRA.OPENVMS.TEST]TEST.OBJ;8o >iE > Is there any obvious parameters that i miss? I already download the H > example from the Compaq website which teaches me how to call Java codeF > from C. But their example is for a C file and everything is build byF > CC and link. I am wondering if I have to do anything different using > the cxx/cxxlink combination.! > Thanks in advance for the help.o >  >  > Sammyt   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 07:11:04 -0700 From: hchen3@uwo.ca (Sammy)e3 Subject: Re: cxxlink problems with JNI_CreateJavaVMr= Message-ID: <2c0966c2.0204240611.7113205a@posting.google.com>    Hi:o  B   I did compile it with the name=as_is qualifiers. (check my first2 post for reference). and i include the option lineD ("case_sensative=yes") in my .opt file as suggested in other post in this forum.o   Here is my system info:a  , $ cxx/ver                                   , Compaq C++ V6.3-020 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1   $ java -versionw java version "1.3.1"0 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionA Classic VM (build 1.3.1-1, 12/18/2001-00:56, native threads, jit)g   $ cxxlink /ver             0 Compaq C++ CXXLINK V6.3-020b  * Thanks for your snappy response Jakob. ^_^     Sammyl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:56:42 GMTn3 From: "Duane Smith" <Duane.Smith@nospam.compaq.com> 3 Subject: Re: cxxlink problems with JNI_CreateJavaVMr9 Message-ID: <_AAx8.16$cw5.523330@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>l  D Firstly, I am not an expert on calling Java using the JNI interface.  H I did an analyze/image on all of the Java images in sys$library and then4 searched the results for CreateJava.  The result was*                 symbol: "JNI_CreateJavaVM"   Your undefinedH > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         int JNI_CreateJavaVM(JavaVM_ **, void **, void  F suggests that the caller's name is mangled while the definition is notK mangled.  This occurred to me also when you talked about using C instead oflJ C++.  It could be that someone needs an extern "C" around the declarations of these JNI functions.m   Duane   ( "Sammy" <hchen3@uwo.ca> wrote in message7 news:2c0966c2.0204231214.61f350ad@posting.google.com...- > Hi:6 >h@ >   I am writing a program in C++ which will call some java codeD > (JNI_CreateJavaVM to be specefic) to load the JVM to use some Java
 > package.? > I have no problem compiling the program.  However, i receiveda@ > "undefined symbol" error for the JNI method when i try to link > everything together. >  > Here is the show:l >. > $ type test.cpp  > #include <iostream.h>  > #include <jni.h> > #include <stdio.h> >i" > int main(int argc, char* argv[]) > {  > JNIEnv *env; > JavaVM *jvm; > jint res;o
 > jclass cls;n > jmethodID mid; > jobjectArray args; > jstring jstr;D > JavaVMInitArgs vm_args;s > JavaVMOption options[2]; >e8 > char agentparm[64] = "\"-Dfile.properties=PARM.TXT\"";9 > char classpath[64] = "\"-Djava.class.path=.:FUN.JAR\"";n >d >  > // Initialize args& > options[0].optionString = agentparm;& > options[1].optionString = classpath;$ > vm_args.version = JNI_VERSION_1_2; > vm_args.options = options; > vm_args.nOptions = 2;t( > vm_args.ignoreUnrecognized = JNI_TRUE; >  > // Create the Java VM-6 > res = JNI_CreateJavaVM(&jvm,(void **)&env,&vm_args); > if (res < 0) > {<" > printf("Can't create Java VM.");
 > exit(1); > }s >- > jstr = env->NewStringUTF("");.C > args = env->NewObjectArray(1, env->FindClass("java/lang/String"),e > jstr);( > cls = env->FindClass("fun/FunDriver"); > if (cls == 0)s > { , > printf("Can't find fun/FunDriver class.");
 > exit(1); > }o > F > mid = env->GetStaticMethodID(cls, "main", "([Ljava/lang/String;)V"); > if (mid == 0)a > {-1 > printf("Can't find fun/FunDriver.main class.");r
 > exit(1); > }i >s, > env->CallStaticVoidMethod(cls, mid, args); >e > return 0;  > }t >a > $ Type case.optc > case_sensitive=YES< > SYS$COMMON:[JAVA$131.JRE.LIB.ALPHA]JAVA$JAVA_SHR.EXE/SHAREA > $ cxx /prefix=all /float=ieee /ieee=denorm /names=(short,as_is)y > /reentrancy=multithreade >eL /include=(sys$common:[java$131.include],sys$common:[java$131.include.alpha], [])p
 > test.cpp0 > $ (compiled without a problem, i got test.obj) > $  > $ cxxlink test,case/opt ' > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol: H > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         int JNI_CreateJavaVM(JavaVM_ **, void **, void > *) CE > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol int JNI_CreateJavaVM(JavaVM_ **,b > void **, voi > d *) C referencedw+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000090C >         in module TEST filee5 > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SCHEN.CORBRA.OPENVMS.TEST]TEST.OBJ;8  > E > Is there any obvious parameters that i miss? I already download the H > example from the Compaq website which teaches me how to call Java codeF > from C. But their example is for a C file and everything is build byF > CC and link. I am wondering if I have to do anything different using > the cxx/cxxlink combination.! > Thanks in advance for the help.. >M >i > Sammy    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:11:43 GMT ) From: zeeb@zko.nospam.dec.com (Jeff Zeeb)c3 Subject: Re: cxxlink problems with JNI_CreateJavaVM49 Message-ID: <3PAx8.17$jw5.528513@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>y  [ In article <2c0966c2.0204231214.61f350ad@posting.google.com>, hchen3@uwo.ca (Sammy) writes:? |>Hi:i |>@ |>  I am writing a program in C++ which will call some java codeD |>(JNI_CreateJavaVM to be specefic) to load the JVM to use some Java
 |>package.? |>I have no problem compiling the program.  However, i receivedg@ |>"undefined symbol" error for the JNI method when i try to link |>everything together. |> .. |>$ cxxlink test,case/optn' |>%LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol:bH |>%LINK-I-UDFSYM,         int JNI_CreateJavaVM(JavaVM_ **, void **, void |>*) CE |>%LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol int JNI_CreateJavaVM(JavaVM_ **,n |>void **, voi |>d *) C referencedp+ |>        in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000090n |>        in module TEST filei5 |>SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SCHEN.CORBRA.OPENVMS.TEST]TEST.OBJ;8  |>  B The short answer is that you are linking your program incorrectly.  H If you look closely at the example you downloaded from the web site, youE will see that it links the sample program with both JAVA$JAVA_SHR.EXElE and JAVA$JVM_SHR.EXE.  The entry point you want to call is defined ins JAVA$JVM_SHR.EXE.>  H As I recall, you cannot use the STL (standard template library) from C++E if you are compiling with /NAMES=AS_IS.  Perhaps that is not an issue  for you.   --	 Jeff ZeebU zeeb@zko.nospam.dec.comD  N "Daddy, my crayon doesn't work.  It needs a new battery" - Matthew (age 2 1/2)4 while trying to use a white crayon with white paper.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:42:06 -0400h  From: "Dave" <nospam@nospam.com>) Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 VMS 6.2 problemy/ Message-ID: <ucdbhmdgcsitfc@corp.supernews.com>-  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87hem2nz84.fsf@prep.synonet.com... 9 : "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:.  4 : And if that is the card you have, logging out will : reset the system.  :eH Why is that?  It's what was happening, but it would be great to run withJ that card.  Is that the only problem?  Is there any way use that card with- VMS and not have it reset whenever I log out?    Thanks.S   -- David Yasko  "stirkus ersu venete"O   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:53:41 -0400e5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>o) Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 VMS 6.2 problema, Message-ID: <aa6h74$6i56$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  L Do you have more than 1 head on the system?  There is a problem with the PXG multi-head.   & What version of Motif are you running?  H This adapter is really, really old.  So old that the former Open3D groupJ actually announced that they were dropping support for it... although once7 we took it over, we have kept shipping the code for it.s  L The only thing I can think of is that the version of Motif on the system mayC have some DIX incompatability that wasn't present when V6.2 shippeda lo-those-many-years-ago.      D Paul Repacholi wrote in message <87hem2nz84.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...8 >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: > L >> The PMAG-DA is the PXG 3D adapter.  You need to install Open3D (I have no: >> idea what the last version that V6.2 was supported on). >-3 >And if that is the card you have, logging out will  >reset the system. >tJ >> A PMAGB-BA is a HX (aka the SFB) which should work well out-of-the-box. >8# >They work fine, but only 8 bit. :(i >e >--m= >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,e8 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A >                                             West Australia 6076e/ >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.tG >EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:58:40 -0400W  From: "Dave" <nospam@nospam.com>) Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 VMS 6.2 probleme/ Message-ID: <ucdmmfotos7iec@corp.supernews.com>m  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message& news:aa6h74$6i56$1@lead.zk3.dec.com...J : Do you have more than 1 head on the system?  There is a problem with the PXGa
 : multi-head.s  J Just a single monitor.  There isn't a second video cable connection on anyD of the video adaptors I have (and only one adaptor in each machine).   : ( : What version of Motif are you running?  5 Dunno.  1.2-3 maybe.  That's what the help file says.-   :-J : This adapter is really, really old.  So old that the former Open3D groupL : actually announced that they were dropping support for it... although once9 : we took it over, we have kept shipping the code for it.t :.J : The only thing I can think of is that the version of Motif on the system maytE : have some DIX incompatability that wasn't present when V6.2 shipped7 : lo-those-many-years-ago.  L It does look like I'll be able to upgrade to VMS 7.2 or 7.3.  Those versionsL come with CDE.  Do you think that might make it possile to run with a PMAG-D
 or PMAG-F?   Thanks.g   -- Dave "stirkus ersu venete"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:16:42 -0400t5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>r) Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 VMS 6.2 problemC, Message-ID: <aa6pja$6p6g$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>   Dave wrote in message ...a     >gD >It does look like I'll be able to upgrade to VMS 7.2 or 7.3.  Those versionsF >come with CDE.  Do you think that might make it possile to run with a PMAG-D >or PMAG-F?  >I  G No.  It is more likely that it would run with whatever the contemporarylH release of Open3D and Motif existed at the time that the PXG and DEC3000L were "current" technology.  But certainly you can try it with V7.3, V4.9b of Open3D and V1.2-6 of Motif.   J While I loved the DEC3000 (since it was the first Alpha WS, and I played aK small role in getting the graphics working on it) - I've just gotten rid ofo6 (well, given it to Robert, who is a DEC3000 nut) mine.  H The Open3D stuff for the 3000 is especially "fragile" - since the Open3DH group had actually retired it (and ripped the code out) for Tru64... andJ pretty much everyone in HW or SW who knew a lot about the HW is long gone.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 03:40:00 -0700$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) Subject: DSSI Interconnect= Message-ID: <d0141774.0204240239.57e4be43@posting.google.com>p   Guys,i  ? I have a 2-node cluster where each Alpha is connected to an HSDiE storage unit with a single DSSI interconnect. The 2 storage units are.D also connected directly together (presumably using DSSI) to create a daisy-chain effect.c  C My question is: does this scenario provide for direct access to allhC disks in both storage units by both Alpha systems? i.e. if one nodeaB failed will the remaining node still see all disks in both storage units?  B My need for clarification arises because the Cluster Config manualE only describes scenarios where each node is connected to both storager# units using multiple interconnects.o   Many thanks,	 Issinoho.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:35:05 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: DSSI Interconnect) Message-ID: <3CC69869.3E2501E4@127.0.0.1>p   issinoho wrote:0 > A > I have a 2-node cluster where each Alpha is connected to an HSDnG > storage unit with a single DSSI interconnect. The 2 storage units arerF > also connected directly together (presumably using DSSI) to create a > daisy-chain effect.  > E > My question is: does this scenario provide for direct access to all E > disks in both storage units by both Alpha systems? i.e. if one node=D > failed will the remaining node still see all disks in both storage > units?  D Answer is, it depends. It depends on the DSSI controller. I'm fairlyE sure that all DSSI controllers can see disks when VMS has been booted, (note the use of past tense).-  F However some controllers cannot show you the devices at console level,G and this also means you cannot boot from an Alpha system disk connected B to the DSSI. However that does not rule out network booting for anG Alpha, then you could 'see' the disks. However I don't think that wouldh help you in your case.  H This is off topic as far as your question is concerned, but if you had aF VAX with a DSSI connection to the Alpha system disk, you could networkH boot the Alpha from the VAX, and when VMS is far enough up on the Alpha,F it could form its own direct 'physical' connection to the disks rather than being MSCP served.p  iD > My need for clarification arises because the Cluster Config manualG > only describes scenarios where each node is connected to both storage % > units using multiple interconnects.   E The SPD (software product description) for clustering should identify F which are supported and which are not. The manual tends to be a little generic.   > Issinoho.    BTW, isn't this from m     thIS SIde up use NO HOks    Kids UK TV from 1970's?a   -- e( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot comh   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 06:23:45 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>.) Subject: Re: Free Encyption tool for VMS?t6 Message-ID: <20020424062345.16481.qmail@gacracker.org>  H On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:B >In article <20020418061840.12359.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher5 ><Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:M. >:On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, sms@antinode.org wrote: >: >:<snip> >:H >:>   Now that the export restrictions have been relaxed, if there's anyH >:>great interest, I could package up complete kits instead of providingH >:>only the changed files.  I haven't looked closely at this stuff since3 >:>1999, but what could change in so short a time? V >:G >:If you've got a version there that supports 2048 bit keys I'd be very 8 >:interested in getting hold of it as a full build kit.  > C >  You can send along a kit as a Freeware submission, and I'll work-E >  through the legal process involved for redistribution for the next/F >  Freeware release -- there is still (AFAIK) a threshold limit (whereI >  you reach military-level encryption and its related rules), but given "G >  recent rules changes here in the US, I can generally provide source dD >  code kits containing encryption (legally) available for download.  H If I find a 2048 bit kit I'll be sure to let you know. Unfortunately theJ WayBack Machine doesn't archive FTP so I had no luck getting at that copy.I There's a couple of people I could ask for some help there, if I make any @ progress I'll let you know. Amongst others, I may ask Imad FaiadH (http://www.ipgpp.com) if he is interested in porting v6.5.8 to VMS. TheG full source is available from that site if anyone else is interested in  looking at it.  H >  I do not know if 2048-bit keys is (or is not) export-controlled, I doG >  not follow the regulations quite that carefully, though the rules doJG >  seem to change more often than I could release new Freeware disks...   G To the best of my knowledge 2048 bit keys are not export-controlled. OfYH course, there are still certain rogue states that you are not allowed to export any encryption to.?  K >  As I stated earlier in one of the threads, I can now provide open-sourcew  >  encryption code via Freeware.  = I guess that means GPG should make it into the next freeware.d  J >  We have OpenSSL in the V7.3-1 release (which is itself in field test), J >  and we expect to have a version of SSH available and incorporated in a  >  release after V7.3-1.  G Now I'm sure that is really good news for quite a few people, I've seencG indications both on and off this newsgroup that SSH was a sorely missed4 part of TCP/IP.o     Doc. -- m6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:17:49 GMTs! From: Andy <acs@fcgnet.works.net>a6 Subject: Re: getting SIMH 2.9-6/VAX + VMS configured ?> Message-ID: <Xns91FA17230E052acsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>  1 "Tom Cole" <tom.cole@sas.com> enlightened us withn( news:aa1aov$l5p$1@license1.unx.sas.com:   B > Confusion... I am trying this on a Mac OS X system as well.  The> > build of simh seemed to go pretty smoothly (only changed theB > Makefile to use "cc" rather than "gcc").  However, attempting to, > run the VAX simulator isn't going so well.  @ It does work :-). I've been playing with it on my iBook+Mac OS X 10.1.4 I  e< > Following variations on the configuration files suggested, > ? > *  With a dd of a CD image, I get a "file system error" after " > the console booter hits "2..1.." >    and a HALT instruction.  2 I saw that with the first image I created with dd.  .? > *  Using a disk image from CHARON-VAX, I get "2..1..0..." ando > then a HALT at PC=00001401.   @ Hmmm... I actually got as far as setting the date/time before it hung on me.   . >  I have read previously in this (or similar)= > thread that another Mac OS X user had gotten dd to create ai9 > valid disk image of the CD for use as an RRD40 drive on"@ > RQ1/DUA1... did you do anything special for blocking, etc., or > just a straight dd?   = I followed the example given by someone else (Brian Wheeler),e< modified to account for a different device name on my iBook.   Something like:   D dd if=/dev/disk1s0 of=/Volumes/PartitionWithFreeSpace/vaxvms072.img   5 Note: On my iBook, a CD shows up as 2 devices in /dev.5 as /dev/disk1 & /dev/disk1s0 (or something like that)t8 If I use /dev/disk1 I get bad disk images. I'm assuming . there is a technical reason for this behavior.  7 I've since used this methods to copy other disk images.<  7 I've started docuemnting what I'm doing with simh here:N [It'll wrap... sorry]v       > 	http://radio.weblogs.com/0104508/stories/2002/04/18/gettingVm sRunningOnSimh296.html  A but, it isn't complete yet so your question isn't answered there a yet...   Hope this helps.   -Andy- --     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:49:48 +0200i2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)2 Subject: Re: How to prevent smtp relay w/Multinet?; Message-ID: <3cc6e22c.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>m  + Lawrence Bleau (bleau@umtof.umd.edu) wrote:z! > mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes: C > >Supported as of 4.0 rev C per the posting found at the followingf > >wrapped URL:  > [snip] >'9 > Okay, looks like I'm out of luck on this issue; thanks.e >rG > So, what are my options?  Upgrade to Multinet V4.0 rev C or later, ortC > install a different package (UCX, most likely, since I can get itlH > inexpensively) that has a wat to disable open relay.  If there are any > other options, let me know.c  E You could always replace the stack's mailer with Matt Madison's MX. I F don't know whether the last free version 4.2 has open relay disabling;G the commercial version 5.x does have it, and IMHO, 400 bucks (IIRC) foraD an industry strength mailer software is a bargain. www.madgoat.com .   cu,P   Martin -- RH    Emacs would be a great   | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer5    operating system,        | work: mv@pdv-systeme.demL    if only it came with     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/<    a decent editor...       | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:05:55 GMT-- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley),2 Subject: Re: How to prevent smtp relay w/Multinet?0 Message-ID: <3cc6e588.16791264@news.process.com>  P On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:49:48 +0200, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote:  , >Lawrence Bleau (bleau@umtof.umd.edu) wrote:" >> mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes:D >> >Supported as of 4.0 rev C per the posting found at the following >> >wrapped URL:	 >> [snip]  >>: >> Okay, looks like I'm out of luck on this issue; thanks. >>H >> So, what are my options?  Upgrade to Multinet V4.0 rev C or later, orD >> install a different package (UCX, most likely, since I can get itI >> inexpensively) that has a wat to disable open relay.  If there are any- >> other options, let me know. > F >You could always replace the stack's mailer with Matt Madison's MX. IG >don't know whether the last free version 4.2 has open relay disabling;2H >the commercial version 5.x does have it, and IMHO, 400 bucks (IIRC) forE >an industry strength mailer software is a bargain. www.madgoat.com .  >wJ MX V4.2 has an anti-relay add-on, which has been discussed here in another thread.c  ( There's also PMDF from Process Software.  F Upgrading your version of MultiNet to the current release will get youD a lot more features in addition to anti-relay in the SMTP, including4 SSH V1 and V2, IPP, packet filtering, and lots more.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/_8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/< New Robert R. McCammon site: http://www.RobertRMcCammon.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:41:42 +01000T From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com>6 Subject: Re: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium!& Message-ID: <3CC6B616.8060107@sun.com>   Main, Kerry wrote:  F >>>>The GS320 is third behind Fujitsu and HP and only 5% faster than a >>>>8 > 24 CPU IBM P680 despite having to use OPS in a box.<<< > F > Yeah, yeah .. I know, vendors should not use parallel based softwareC > like OPS (even though the cost is included in the benchmark) on af- > partitioned system because real men do SMP.t >  > :-)a > D > So go tell it to the TPC Council and convince them. Or go convince? > Oracle to stop positioning 9i RAC as a way to improve overall H > performance. Don't continue to harp on this "SMP is the only way to do > TPC" stuff here. >     = Perhaps you should try explaining this pearl of wisdom to theo= guys in Compaq who designed Marvel. If you follow your claimsd= through to their logical conclusion then no one needs a large.@ SMP system, instead you get a whole load of 4 CPU boxes, cluster! them and then run 9i RAC on them.o  A Sorry Marvel dudes you should have asked Kerry before you started & on what has been a pointless exercise.  = When will you get it into you skull. TPC-C with its warehouset; scheme is perfectly partionable both from a data standpointn: and a client standpoint. It is ideally suited for use with< OPS or 9i RAC hence the plethora of results using OPS either in a cluster or not.  < However most apps are not like this and thats before you getB to little issues like the vendor of the application not supporting@ OPS or 9i RAC. I don't expect you to have any experience of this> since none of these apps run on OpenVMS at all but for example> SAP does not support RAC or OPS, Siebel doesn't either and for= that matter Oracle themselves only recently added OPS support  for their own apps.D  @ You cannot compare TPC-C numbers that use OPS with TPC-C numbers> that do not, they are essentially different benchmarks. If you= want evidence of this look no further than your own benchmarkf; results for the GS320, the first TPC-C result published andw> then withdrawn was ~30% slower than the next result which only differed in that it used OPS.g  > Incedentally Sun has better throughput and per CPU performanceA on the three other large commercial benchmarks you have publisheda= for the GS, SAP, Oracle Apps and TPC-H. Perhaps thats why youl only want to talk about TPC-C.   Regards- Andrew Harrison     	 > Regardsv >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant. > Compaq Canada Corp.a > Professional Servicesh > Voice: 613-592-4660h > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >  >  > -----Original Message-----) > From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy76 > [mailto:andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com]  > Sent: April 23, 2002 11:46 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como7 > Subject: Re: I was right! Alpha will live in Itanium!i >  >  >  >  > Main, Kerry wrote: >  > 	 >>Sigh ..  >>H >>Andrew - I don't have time for this "mine is bigger than yours" right  >>now .. >> >> >>I >>>>>So this claim of leading performance is and was incorrect, there haso >>>>>o >>>>>rB >>never been any evidence to support it. So any customer buying a G >>machine on the basis of its claimed performance or scalability would a= >>be entitled to claim that you had sold them a pup, in that uD >>circumstance giving them a free Marvel box would seem like a fair B >>exchange for the dissapointment that they have had to endure.<<< >>% >>Wow, talk about creative writing ..o >> >  >  > Talk about creative reading. > C > You claim leading Performance for the GS boxes, even on the basiseB > of the one benchmark you have singled out TPC-C this claim isn't > justified. > B > The GS320 is third behind Fujitsu and HP and only 5% faster thanC > a 24 CPU IBM P680 despite having to use OPS in a box. The Fujitsus4 > the HP and the IBM are all cheaper than the GS320. > E > So third or 4th depending on your perspective. Leading means in thee' > lead, in front, first not 3rd or 4th.l >  >  >  >>:-)  >>G >>The GS Series servers is providing very acceptable performance and isaC >>currently number 3 and 9 on the top 10 TPC numbers. As far as thee >> > others > F >>benchmarks are concerned, stay tuned with respect to upcoming Marvel >> > EV7  >  >>based server numbers.n >> >  > E > We stayed tuned for WildFire performance numbers and eventually theaD > audience got bored of wating and changed channels. Lets wait untilD > the boxes are shipping and you have actual published numbers shall5 > we. We all know what a mess you got into last time.  >  >  > 	 > regardsa > Andrew HarrisonF >  > A > PS Smileys don't help they just make you look gormless when youp > have nothing to smile about. >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:01:17 GMTa1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>M6 Subject: Re: I was right!  Alpha will live in Itanium!; Message-ID: <NUyx8.43459$%s3.17867503@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>i  # "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"d= <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote in message   news:3CC6B616.8060107@sun.com... >c <snip> >i@ > Incedentally Sun has better throughput and per CPU performanceC > on the three other large commercial benchmarks you have publishedk? > for the GS, SAP, Oracle Apps and TPC-H. Perhaps thats why you-  > only want to talk about TPC-C.  H Andrew, when you make statements such as the one above, would you pleaseJ provide links to supporting information. I'm sure there are a lot of us in6 this newsgroup who would be interested in the numbers.   Thanks,r   terry st   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 05:37:28 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!t= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204240437.47e9819d@posting.google.com>t  o peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) wrote in message news:<3cc5d0a6.37568453@news.cable.ntl.com>...oH > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:13:10 GMT, peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com (Peter > Watkinson) wrote:b >  e > >>+ > >>Well. Check this out from comp.sys.itelr > >> > >> > >>further confirmation > >> > >>from www.vanshardware.com- > >>* > >>Microsoft is Committed to AMD's x86-64 > >>I > >>Sources attending Seattle's WinHEC 2002 maintained that Microsoft haseC > >>successfully pressured Goliath chipmaker Intel Corporation intoe > >>adopting? > >>archrival AMD's new 64-bit chip language.  According to ourt > >>confidentialF > >>sources, the Redmond, Washington-based software vendor expressed a	 > >>clearhF > >>preference for Advanced Micro Devices' x86-64 instruction set over > >>Intel's D > >>competing IA-64.  Furthermore, the OS developer advised Intel to > >>comply withbI > >>x86-64 if the Santa Clara, California-based chipmaker desired ongoingl
 > >>64-bit > >>support. > >> > G > If this is true surely we will see some pretty significant changes inr > stock prices tommorow? >  > Peter Watkinsonw > peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.comh  D if that is true, then the above is true, Intel will offer two 64 bitA platforms, an x86 junk one and use Alpha EV8 for the high end ...a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:59:31 +0100 T From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com>9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!f& Message-ID: <3CC6BA43.1040306@sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:  7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageo9 > news:d7791aa1.0204231013.2967d8cb@posting.google.com...  > = >>Now J.F. and Andrew, there has to be something to this whenn; >>now a second author states Alpha will live in Itanium ...  >> >>cut from below ...E >>As you can see, we won't see Intel technology using the Alpha until  >>2005.o >> > J > Gee - I've been saying that nothing Alpha-related would appear in ItanicM > until 2005 at the earliest for almost a year now...  However, as I've noted K > before, Mike is a great source of news about what's going on but he's notTE > the sharpest blade in the drawer when it comes to understanding it.  > K > The .ppt slide he's shown is no significant variation on the standard onehJ > we've been seeing for the better part of a year.  There's nothing on it,N > save in his imagination, to indicate any 'Alphaness' in Itanic - and in factN > the 'next generation' shown is for the *servers* (the common one that likelyH > discards Alpha's MP-connectivity advantages because Itanics don't haveE > them), not the processors in them (which at that time should be the<M > post-Madison Montecitos - yet another simple shrink of the McKinley/Madisons+ > core with no Alpha influence whatsoever).  > M > *Maybe sometime* in 2005 we'll see the Montecito follow-on ('Chivano') withsN > some Alpha influence (most likely just the on-chip support for memory and MPN > connections).  And *maybe* in 2006 we might even see EV8-style SMT in ItanicL > (or, if they decided to scrap EPIC entirely, possibly an EV8 core modified > to run Itanic instructions). >     = Or if the Microsoft speculation a core modified to run x86-64 
 instructions.a   :):):)   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:19:31 GMTF( From: spam@devnull.com (Russell Wallace)9 Subject: Re: Inquirer even says Alpha in Itanium in 2005!p0 Message-ID: <3cc6cc01.522237331@news.eircom.net>  A On 23 Apr 2002 11:13:35 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)c wrote:  < >Now J.F. and Andrew, there has to be something to this when: >now a second author states Alpha will live in Itanium ...  C _Why_ do people keep coming up with this? As I remarked before, theaA Alpha architecture's strength is in what it does _not_ have; liketE virginity, this is a virtue that once lost, cannot be regained. Using D chunks of the EV8 design is unlikely to work; IA64 is more different) from the mainstream than _any_ other CPU.e  A There's a much better chance they could use EV8 technology in the D Pentium chips, which are more or less RISC chips with an x86 decoder front end at this stage.   -- u3 "Mercy to the guilty is treachery to the innocent."c! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallaces mail:rw(at)eircom(dot)net    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:02:07 +0200o= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o< Subject: Re: IONA Application Server / OpenVMS Press Release) Message-ID: <3CC6ACCF.EC6B1DAB@gtech.com>n   "Main, Kerry" wrote:D > JavaOnesm Conference 2002 - San Francisco, CA. - March 27, 2002 --B > IONA, the leading e-Business Platform provider for Web ServicesE > Integration (NASDAQ: IONA), today announced the availability of theiF > Orbix E2A Application Server Platform on Compaq's OpenVMS operatingF > system. IONA's Orbix E2A Application Server Platform offers Compaq'sB > OpenVMS customers a J2EE-compliant and Web services-architectedF > platform for application and e- Business infrastructure development.  ( Now we just need a hobbyist version !!!!   :-)    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2002 07:26:19 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)G Subject: Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)o0 Message-ID: <aa5mmr$8s5$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  - In article <87d6wqnx44.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,s. Paul Repacholi  <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:+ >nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) writes:  >iF >>My point is that WYSIWYG is proven to be a good idea, and one of theC >>reasons is that it DOES allow the user to control both layout andn >>material together. >t) >Where is this 'proof' Nic? And for what?   C Everywhere.  Remember when WYSIWYG came in?  Right back in the days ' when it was called full-screen editing?s  D The reaction of most users (not all) that it was a lot easier to useA and often a lot faster for most text preparation (not all).  Even.C such an evil user interface as vi is more popular than ex (though I D use ex and won't touch vi).  And some people measured the time takenB to prepare text using the two methods - generally finding that theB WYSIWYG were faster, though not as much faster as was and is often claimed.  ; I think that counts as proven to be a good idea, don't you?      Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:24:56 +0010n% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au G Subject: Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles).5 Message-ID: <01KGYDM904W2000292@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>n   Nick Maclaren wrote:. >In article <87d6wqnx44.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,/ >Paul Repacholi  <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote: , >>nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) writes: >>G >>>My point is that WYSIWYG is proven to be a good idea, and one of thedD >>>reasons is that it DOES allow the user to control both layout and >>>material together.l >>* >>Where is this 'proof' Nic? And for what? >iD >Everywhere.  Remember when WYSIWYG came in?  Right back in the days( >when it was called full-screen editing? > E >The reaction of most users (not all) that it was a lot easier to use0B >and often a lot faster for most text preparation (not all).  EvenD >such an evil user interface as vi is more popular than ex (though IE >use ex and won't touch vi).  And some people measured the time taken@C >to prepare text using the two methods - generally finding that thetC >WYSIWYG were faster, though not as much faster as was and is oftend	 >claimed.s >]< >I think that counts as proven to be a good idea, don't you?   Well, no -- not proven.p  K Just a few dot points, and I doubt that I will cover as many as others can kM think of, nor as many as I will think of after I've mailed this, nor as many dM as you will think of as a contra argument :-)  I also discount the notion of lM screen editing from what is being discussed; it was only WISYWIG in the most h basic sense.  J 1 Word and friends happen to be WISYWIG.  Their use is not for purpose of L good presentation.  Most use has just become common habit instead of normal 
 text mail.  H 2 As has been mentioned before, from LaTex, few of us are proficient at K knowing what good publishable documents should look like.  Those using the vM common WISYWIG variants assume that they are better than Chicago Press could /J do.  Bill knows best, why did Knuth bother to take a sabbatical before he 
 wrote Tex?  G 3 Probably a repeat of above: few of our documents need to be expertly uN publishably and WISYWIG is as good as we need.  Internal documents used to be I adequate on a typewriter or text printer; WISYWIG makes us think we have 2K "published" something.  No, we've just done our text in Word and as a real LK document is little better than plain old text in a slightly more aesthetic := font.  And if we are really clever, we can use several fonts.l  N 4 I know that a colleague has trouble trying to make our manuals look good in K Word ("good" is defined as how my boss wants them to look :-).  And I know  J that new versions are somewhat incompatible with older versions and other N WISYWIG variants.  So what looked good in one version, no longer does without  a re-write.o  L 5 Do WISYWIGs do the same analysis of vertical and horizontal spacing?  The E same analysis of widows and orphans in paragraphs or pages?  Do they aO adequately handling floating tables and graphs?  What I have seen leaves me to   believe not.  M 6 Graphs and mathematical formulae and layouts are not very easily handled.  XL My colleague who maintains our manuals in a PC environment cannot reproduce L formulae the way I can (and believe they look correct -- I'll trust Knuth's M and Leslie Lamports judgement better than BG's).  At least, nobody reads the oL PC manuals, it's just that my boss (well ex) in his twilight years believed J that everything would revolve around BG -- he, the ex-boss, was competent  once.c   7 Time for a beer.  Goodnight.   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:38:00 +0200 ( From: Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>G Subject: Re: learning how to use a computer (was: Re: Itanium troubles)a" Message-ID: <ogj6aa.cms.ln@miriam>   green wrote: > Bicycle 1980 -- no gears= > Bicycle to day -- 18+ speed + shock absorbers + road rules.a  F At least my 1980 bike had already 5 gears, and a friend had even a 10 D gear bike (ok, that was snobish back then ;-). The pre-1960 bike of E my father originally had 3 gears (it now has 5 gears and is still in  > use, because his 24 speed + shock absorber MTB doesn't have a D carrier, and in contrast to the 1960 frame, which is still 100% ok, D the first MTB frame lasted less than two years, and was replaced on 
 warranty ;-).   A However, there was little change in how a bike worked until late eD 1980s, and little change about how the frame looked until recently. E The next big change are recumbent bikes, and at that point, you have l to relearn how to ride a bike.   -- d Bernd Paysan7 "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"n http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:33:41 GMTh- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)l: Subject: Re: Mails with long lines (> 255 bytes) truncated0 Message-ID: <3cc6cfc3.11218080@news.process.com>  J On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:29:39 GMT, "M. J. Jerabek" <multivac@jitterati.org> wrote:   >Hunter, >sL >A friend of mine re-built V4.2 with all of the "source" patches included inK >that directory. We did it to get the anti-relay code, and as a side issue, J >update to a newer version of netlib. We still get truncated test lines inJ >the body of email, so the fix you mentioned is not in the source patches.J >Any chance you still have the "rediscovered" source patch? If not, thanks >for trying. >bB It should be there.  You can verify it by looking for this code in [MX.LOCAL]DELIVER.B32:  M             WHILE $GET (RAB=RAB2) DO                    !Now copy the rest ofaI                 BEGIN                                   !... the message.eO                 RAB [RAB$W_RSZ] = MIN (.RAB2 [RAB$W_RSZ], MAIL_HDR$C_MAX_SIZE);t  D MAIL_HDR$C_MAX_SIZE should be defined earlier in that file as 65535.  K That *should* be the only place MX Local would truncate messages.  MessagesnG sent via VMS Mail with longer lines may still get truncated by VMS MailpL itself.  But incoming messages delivered to VMS Mail should not be truncated by MX with the code above.  H (And are you sure that MX is truncating them and not whatever is looking at the messages?)-   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/< New Robert R. McCammon site: http://www.RobertRMcCammon.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:05:35 -0400 * From: "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.nospam.com>B Subject: Re: Major Virus Alert!  Better get on VMS now or bye bye!3 Message-ID: <3cc6ca36$0$3338$8e9e3842@news.atx.net>h  ,   No Just tired of you restating the Obvious    5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageh7 news:d7791aa1.0204230444.4f7fb808@posting.google.com...o= > William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com> wrote in messagea& news:<3CC4DAC9.B60EB8F@mailbag.com>...J > > Yawn. Is this all you have to do? Write things that make VMS folk look > > as stupid as M$ers?t > >i > > _Please_ get a life. > >w > > Bob Ceculski wrote:c > > >a > >  > > William  >uG > thanks to VMS I have a life!  I don't spend all my hours patching andeD > having to go in every night at 3 in the morning because a disk gotJ > wiped out ... since you are yawning, you must have had a rough night ... > another virus shut you down?   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 12:18:20 +02006 From: Jan Ingvoldstad <jani+news-comp@nntp.ifi.uio.no>H Subject: Re: markup vs wysiwyg (was: Re: learning how to use a computer)0 Message-ID: <oaselh5cscz.fsf@tyrfing.ifi.uio.no>  M On 23 Apr 2002 11:53:41 -0700, SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) said:   G > Also, reformatting WYSIWYG is very tedious compared to reformatting aiG > LaTeX document. Imagine moving a chapter from chapter 2 to chapter 4, C > forexample, and manually renumbering all chapters from 2 on!!! Ini > LaTeX, this is not a problem.   C This is not a problem in MS Word, either.  MS Word has styles, veryaD similar in function to the styles of e.g. PageMaker.  You can create@ your own styles as derivatives of existing styles (and make themF follow the changes made to the "mother" styles), change how they work,B etc.  In these things, I can't honestly claim that MS Word is much worse than LaTeX.u  F However, you will need to ask the content list to update itself (whichC you'd normally have done in your Makefile for your LaTeX document).i   -- nA In the beginning was the Bit, and the Bit was Zero.  Then SomeonetE said, Let there be One, and there was One.  And Someone blessed them,-D and Someone said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenishC the Word and subdue it: and have dominion over every thing that is.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:00:31 -0400A% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>d Subject: Re: Mime hole virus/ Message-ID: <ucdi4m5cfm7d14@news.supernews.com>0  L I also hate to continue this here but there are a number of people here that& use Outlook for one reason or another.  K Turning off Preview doesn't really solve any problems.  Turning off PreviewdJ keeps Outlook from automatically opening every e-mail but, if you open theI e-mail anyway you will still allow the virus to execute.    If you reallyiL want to protect yourself you need to make sure that the "Restricted Zone" inI Internet Explorer has all executable stuff disabled. no Java, JavaScript,-L ActiveX etc.  Then you have to tell Outlook to view e-mail in the RestrictedK zone.  If you take these steps it won't matter if the Preview pane is on or  off.  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEBHENAA.tom@kednos.com...rE > As always your comments are worth reading.  I think most of us live>D > in heterogenous environments, and while it is more of a W2K issue,C > it certainly has general interest.  Actually, the story gets morefI > interesting, because in my case it was not a malicious, but a parasiticwH > attack.  They actually set up housekeeping til I shut them down.  ThisH > is a practice that I believe is called leeching.  Esentially what theyE > are looking for is a new host to provide space and bandwidth (sounde> > like a parasitic wasp !)  The set up directories measure the characteristics I > and try to avoid detection.  It is really some clever stuff.  here is ar copyH > of one of their logon files (notice the use of environment variables): >tL > - - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------  -- >  -7 > - ::::: ::: :: :         Team          : :: ::: :::::,9 > - ::::: ::: :: :     P u B - s T r O     : :: ::: ::::: L > - - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------  -- >  - > - | . > - | You Are Connecting From ...........: %IP. > - | The Local Time Is ..............: %Time,F > - | Current Uptime .................: %ServerDays Days, %ServerHours Hours,* > %ServerMins Minutes, %ServerSecs Seconds. > - | Total Uploaded .........: %ServerKBUp KB- > - | Total Downloaded ....: %ServerKBDown KBr' > - | User Uploaded ..........: %BUp KBm' > - | User Downloaded ......: %BDown KBI- > - | User Transferred .......: %FTot File(s)e1 > - | Average Throughput .......: %ServerAvg KBpsr6 > - | Current Bandwith .............: %ServerKBps KBps. > - | DiskSpace Free ..............: %DFree KB& > - | Users Logged In .........: %UNow. > - | Users Logged In Last 24 Hours ...: %U24h) > - | Total Users ................: %UAlli. > - | Max Allowed Users ...........: %MaxUsers > - |cL > - - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------  -- >  - > - |e  > - | Follow These Rules Please! > - | 8 > - | 1. Do NOT Delete/Upload Anything On/To This Server > - | 2. Do NOT Pub StealI' > - | 3. Do NOT Publish The IP Anywherer! > - | 4. Do NOT Scan The IP Ranget > - | 5. Leech = Reply > - |e  > - | Happy Leeching & Have Fun! > - |dL > - - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------  -- >  -7 > - ::::: ::: :: :         Team          : :: ::: :::::h9 > - ::::: ::: :: :     P u B - s T r O     : :: ::: :::::eL > - - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------  -- >  - >*  > >   -----Original Message-----? > >   From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]a+ > >   Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:00 PMh > >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como" > >   Subject: Re: Mime hole virus > >e > >n > >t; > >     Please take it to a security or a Microsoft Windowse > >   newsgroup.  Thanks.* > >0C > >     I probably should not continue this discussion here, but...i > >n; > >   In article <3CC1F481.ACC74620@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes & > >   <annonymous@pacbell.net> writes: > >   :s > >   :y > >   :Tom Linden wrote: > >   :>J > >   :> I discovered what this is the hard way, hope I didn't pass it on.G > >   :> I run tcpip5.1 under 7.3 smtp server and use Outlook on W2K asoE > >   :> pop client.  If you have the preview turned on, TURN IT OFF,  > >    apparently- > >- > >   :Also, what is "preview"?: > > L > >     If you use Microsoft Outlook, you have an option to preview the mailI > >     message before opening it -- this so-called preview pane is ofteneK > >     (always?) enabled by default for at least some of the folders.  FortD > >     some virii (and some Windows configurations), the operations > >   performedrL > >     to display the message in this window are enough to launch the virus< > >     and thus to infect your system.   No attachments, no double-clicking,L > >     etc.  Most virii are coded to find a way to launch themselves on theA > >     target system of course, and the more subtle and the morei widespread,eH > >     the better...  (In fact, most virii actually really fail because they4 > >     replicate far too quickly, but I digress...) > >aK > >   :> this is all that is needed to launch it, and it comes with its own- > >   :> smtp server!y > >rK > >     This is not the first virus that has been activated via the OutlookrF > >     preview window.  AFAIK, the Bubbleboy infection used a similarJ > >     technique some years ago.  I'd expect there are others.  Back whenI > >     I was still using Outlook, I had everything thatI could shut down-K > >     explicitly disabled, including the preview windows.  (That's reallyrI > >     "fun", too, as I had to reset the preview window setting in everyB( > >     Outlook folder.  But I digress.) > >nH > >     There are various Microsoft hotfixes you will want to apply, andF > >     various other mechanisms that used to transfer infections -- IG > >     regularly receive various copies of Windows virii in my OpenVMSMG > >     mailbox, forwarded by various folks that are running (infected)r  > >     Windows implementations. > >tJ > >     More than a few of these virii try to exercise disparities betweenJ > >     the filtering and the activation codepaths (eg: through the use ofJ > >     sound file extensions for executable code, in one recent virus) orJ > >     through spoofing a file extension -- the fact that displaying fileI > >     extensions is a whole lot more difficult than you might expect --pK > >     or (as recently occured) embedded as an ill-formed (but functional)iF > >     macro within Microsoft Word or Microsoft Powerpoint documents. > >eK > >     If you are running Windows on your desktop, you need to have and totJ > >     keep your virus filters running and your definitions current -- ifK > >     you are paranoid, even potentially with your definitions updated on-L > >     a daily basis, too.  You need current hotfixes, you need a firewall,K > >     you need to be careful around SMTP services and such that you might.L > >     provide, you need to be very careful about what mail you receive andE > >     what websites you visit, and you really need to track currenta > >   securityF > >     problem reports.  I expect that Microsoft and/or CERT or otherH > >     organizations have recommendations for locking down your WindowsI > >     system.  Contact the vendor(s) or similar organizations for otherrI > >     operating systems.  (The above are just a few of the areas that ImH > >     would suggest looking into if you are running Microsoft Windows.K > >     In the case of OpenVMS security, the general security configurationpK > >     recommendations are in the appendix of the system security manual.)l > >nJ > >     There have been infections of Linux, Windows, mobile phones, PDAs,G > >     and other constructs -- and yes, on OpenVMS, in the case of thedA > >     DECnet-based WANK worm -- and the head-long plunge toward. "high-speed"L > >     wireless networking and always-on connectivity just makes for (more)B > >     interesting and (more) widespread security exposures, too. > >a > >   -- > >oG > >     Again, this and other Windows security discussions are probablyoI > >     best held in another newsgroup and not in the OpenVMS comp.os.vmsiJ > >     newsgroup.  (I apologize in advance for filling the newsgroup with$ > >     this discussion of Windows.) > > 6 > >    ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h># > >   ----------------------------- 9 > >         For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --h > www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal% > opinion ---------------------------o1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringt hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:44:59 -0400g- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>p$ Subject: Re: Newbie meets OpenVMS ;), Message-ID: <3CC6625C.34B91064@videotron.ca>   "Doc.Cypher" wrote:II > means that the passwords are set by two separate people. Last time thisaG > recommendation was taken up the passwords were set by the site systemfL > manager and the financial controller. The next event wasn't included in myL > advice, they wrote the passwords down, sealed them in envelopes and lockedL > them in the company safe. I can see the reasoning behind this, but I don't > think it is 'best practice't  L Standard practice for SWIFT. The application account that has the all mightyM application privileges (create a user with unlimited funds transfer abilitiessN for instance, as well as upgrade the swift network login keys etc etc) requireM 2 passwords and they are to be stored separately. SWIFT sends those passwordspN separately to the customer. (at least for ST400, the former SWIFT appliocation on VMS)o  H As system manager, I did not have the ability to upgrade the applicationJ without having people present with those all mighty passwords once the newN version was installed. Yes, at times, it becomes much simpler to cheat and letG a person you trust (me!) get those all mighty passwords so that I couldlL install the patches/new version and reload the keys etc to make it availableK again without having the user come in on a saturday. But this was not to beo revealed to anyone.   N As VMS system manager, I could look at the application files, but I would needK application username/passwords in order to generate transactions that wouldr
 get sent out.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 06:11:22 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>p$ Subject: Re: Newbie meets OpenVMS ;)6 Message-ID: <20020424061122.16058.qmail@gacracker.org>  H On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:B >In article <20020423061109.32471.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher5 ><Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:l >tI >:Sure, for a business it might well be. What I recommend with clients islL >:that they double password the SYSTEM account and create other accounts for5 >:those who require access with elevated privileges. y >sF >  Double password usernames should only be configured when there mustJ >  be two users present for system access -- the extra password mechanism M >  itself otherwise provides no extra security beyond that a single password.mK >  The intent of the double password is for situations when TWO users must uI >  be present to log in.  Double password usernames also do restrict the eK >  permissible access, such as the (deliberate) prohibition against remote bL >  DECnet access to these usernames.  (Why?  Because such an access control 8 >  string would expose both passwords to a single user.)  K Sorry I wasn't clearer there. I take it for granted that double-passwordinggG means that the passwords are set by two separate people. Last time thiseE recommendation was taken up the passwords were set by the site systemlJ manager and the financial controller. The next event wasn't included in myJ advice, they wrote the passwords down, sealed them in envelopes and lockedJ them in the company safe. I can see the reasoning behind this, but I don't think it is 'best practice'.     Doc. -- i6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.neti   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 11:41:13 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: Reading a file in javaG3 Message-ID: <xOvoSq1iCOdI@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  T In article <3ccc0268.46026449@News.CIS.DFN.DE>, kkal@javakk.com (Ken Kalish) writes:  N > but on second look, even through reading bytes, Java can't access the lengthN > prefix that others have pointed out (in this thread), nor what appears to be: > the trailing word 0xFFFF and any necessary 0x00 padding. > M > So, there probably is no way to exactly copy a file with java-only methods,eP > since java can't read or write byte for byte. That's surprisng, but I guess in > retrospect, it fits.  > I am not surprised.  Those who specified Java wanted a boundedC programming environment that was the same on all manner of systems.nF It is natural then, for a Java implementation to shield the programmerC from every aspect of a system that might differ from other systems.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 04:37:28 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)4 Subject: Re: Searching for DECserver 90M Boot Images9 Message-ID: <cEqx8.25$ge5.463933@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>w  o In article <7f004536.0204192128.7bf52e38@posting.google.com>, jperison@mindspring.com (Joel A. Perison) writes:f  D :I'm looking for either MNENG2 or MNENG3 (I would prefer this one). B :Any assistance in finding copies of these images would be greatly
 :appreciated.w  I   Consider contacting the Digital Networks folks (http://www.dnpg.com/), c>   as they are the owners of the DECserver 90M series products.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:01:50 +0100 (MET)k9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>2C Subject: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?!e; Message-ID: <01KGY7QIKCKA8Y6W8D@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  I For my hobbyist setup, I have a LAN behind an ISDN router.  I have fixed SB IP addresses.  I am thinking of adding DSL because flat rates are F available.  I don't know of anyone who offers fixed IP addresses with D DSL.  DHCP is not an option because, again, making the names of the F machines known to the world is an extra service which is probably not . available with a standard cheap flat-rate DSL.  A The ISDN connection times out after 2 minutes.  If I initiate an -H outgoing connection, I pay for it as part of the normal phone bill.  If H the ISP creates a connection to me, he charges me at the standard phone H rate.  (My telephone bill is such that I don't have to pay for outgoing H calls on Sundays and holidays, so I initiate an outgoing connection and ) keep it alive from midnight to midnight.)g  I It seems that, at least for now, I will have to keep the ISDN router for nD incoming stuff.  For outgoing stuff, however, it might be worth the H trouble to go through a DSL router, since I wouldn't have to pay for it.D (I think that this will save a lot of costs, but there WILL be some I additional cost since under the new scheme all incoming connections will rE be initiated by the ISP---in the past, if an outgoing connection was  & already there, no new one was needed).  I I suppose it is no problem to have two routers in the same LAN---one the  H present ISDN router and one a new DSL router.  I assume that by setting B the DSL router as the default gateway (and, perhaps, changing the E ALTERNATE GATEWAY in SMTP as well as the bind resolver---so that all sH external machines I need to access are available via DSL (at the moment I they are at the ISP and I'm not sure if he will allow just anyone to use e; them)), outgoing stuff will not use the ISDN router at all.t  G So far, so good, unless I've missed something, which hopefully someone - here could point out.p  F It would be nice to be able to connect to my LAN from the outside via H DSL as well---without a fixed IP address.  I could initiate connections H periodically automatically to where I want to connect from, see what IP H address (that of the DSL router) they come from, and then TELNET to the G router.  However, I want to get from the router to machines on the LAN.t  A I've heard of routers which have a "TELNET console": once one is i@ connected to it (via telnet, dial-up, whatever), one can TELNET D elsewhere from it (sort of like the console on a terminal server or @ whatever).  Are there DSL routers which have this functionality?   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 15:47:49 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>G Subject: Re: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?!c6 Message-ID: <20020424154749.32715.qmail@gacracker.org>  H On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:J >For my hobbyist setup, I have a LAN behind an ISDN router.  I have fixed C >IP addresses.  I am thinking of adding DSL because flat rates are fG >available.  I don't know of anyone who offers fixed IP addresses with iE >DSL.  DHCP is not an option because, again, making the names of the  G >machines known to the world is an extra service which is probably not  / >available with a standard cheap flat-rate DSL.s   <snip>   Phillip,  H VMSbox runs on a DSL line *without* a fixed IP address. I just signed upG for an account with CJB.net and downloaded one of their Perl scripts to.= automatically update the IP address. I have this running as asD self-submitting batch job which goes off every 15 minutes. If you'reF interested I can mail you it. Of course, you'd need to install Perl or rewrite it in another language.:  K There are other dynamic DNS services out there too, this was just the first- one I found and got to work.     Doc. -- -6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:47:07 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>.G Subject: Re: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?! ; Message-ID: <01KGYA3517RO8Y6W8D@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  J > VMSbox runs on a DSL line *without* a fixed IP address. I just signed upI > for an account with CJB.net and downloaded one of their Perl scripts to.? > automatically update the IP address. I have this running as aeF > self-submitting batch job which goes off every 15 minutes. If you'reH > interested I can mail you it. Of course, you'd need to install Perl or" > rewrite it in another language.   D Yes, that's a possibility.  Actually, however, I want to stick with G fixed IP addresses for the time being (maybe I'm just overly cautious)  I and am more interested in logging in myself from outside, not making the O$ LAN accessible to the world via DSL.  G > There are other dynamic DNS services out there too, this was just they% > first one I found and got to work. u  B I'd be interested in hearing from others using dynamic IP-address ) updates on VMS (via DHCP or other means).    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:34:00 GMT- From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG G Subject: Re: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?! 0 Message-ID: <00A0CF14.BF7F302A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  w In article <01KGY7QIKCKA8Y6W8D@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:nJ >For my hobbyist setup, I have a LAN behind an ISDN router.  I have fixed C >IP addresses.  I am thinking of adding DSL because flat rates are eG >available.  I don't know of anyone who offers fixed IP addresses with cE >DSL.  DHCP is not an option because, again, making the names of the .G >machines known to the world is an extra service which is probably not  / >available with a standard cheap flat-rate DSL.I >sB >The ISDN connection times out after 2 minutes.  If I initiate an I >outgoing connection, I pay for it as part of the normal phone bill.  If >I >the ISP creates a connection to me, he charges me at the standard phone rI >rate.  (My telephone bill is such that I don't have to pay for outgoing cI >calls on Sundays and holidays, so I initiate an outgoing connection and o* >keep it alive from midnight to midnight.) > J >It seems that, at least for now, I will have to keep the ISDN router for E >incoming stuff.  For outgoing stuff, however, it might be worth the rI >trouble to go through a DSL router, since I wouldn't have to pay for it. E >(I think that this will save a lot of costs, but there WILL be some oJ >additional cost since under the new scheme all incoming connections will F >be initiated by the ISP---in the past, if an outgoing connection was ' >already there, no new one was needed).e >eJ >I suppose it is no problem to have two routers in the same LAN---one the I >present ISDN router and one a new DSL router.  I assume that by setting tC >the DSL router as the default gateway (and, perhaps, changing the  F >ALTERNATE GATEWAY in SMTP as well as the bind resolver---so that all I >external machines I need to access are available via DSL (at the moment eJ >they are at the ISP and I'm not sure if he will allow just anyone to use < >them)), outgoing stuff will not use the ISDN router at all. >IH >So far, so good, unless I've missed something, which hopefully someone  >here could point out. >(G >It would be nice to be able to connect to my LAN from the outside via sI >DSL as well---without a fixed IP address.  I could initiate connections hI >periodically automatically to where I want to connect from, see what IP iI >address (that of the DSL router) they come from, and then TELNET to the lH >router.  However, I want to get from the router to machines on the LAN. >rB >I've heard of routers which have a "TELNET console": once one is A >connected to it (via telnet, dial-up, whatever), one can TELNET yE >elsewhere from it (sort of like the console on a terminal server or iA >whatever).  Are there DSL routers which have this functionality?  >   D Take a look at Netopia's site.  I had a Netopia DSL router and I nowD have a Netopia T1 router.  Both have very good support and many very useful features.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMm            iJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesa   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:56:09 -0400r1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>lG Subject: Re: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?!e2 Message-ID: <3CC6E3A9.8E6B6331@firstdbasource.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:n > J > For my hobbyist setup, I have a LAN behind an ISDN router.  I have fixedC > IP addresses.  I am thinking of adding DSL because flat rates areiG > available.  I don't know of anyone who offers fixed IP addresses with E > DSL.  DHCP is not an option because, again, making the names of theaG > machines known to the world is an extra service which is probably not 0 > available with a standard cheap flat-rate DSL. > B > The ISDN connection times out after 2 minutes.  If I initiate anI > outgoing connection, I pay for it as part of the normal phone bill.  IffI > the ISP creates a connection to me, he charges me at the standard phoneoI > rate.  (My telephone bill is such that I don't have to pay for outgoinguI > calls on Sundays and holidays, so I initiate an outgoing connection and + > keep it alive from midnight to midnight.)r > J > It seems that, at least for now, I will have to keep the ISDN router forE > incoming stuff.  For outgoing stuff, however, it might be worth thetJ > trouble to go through a DSL router, since I wouldn't have to pay for it.E > (I think that this will save a lot of costs, but there WILL be some J > additional cost since under the new scheme all incoming connections willF > be initiated by the ISP---in the past, if an outgoing connection was( > already there, no new one was needed). > J > I suppose it is no problem to have two routers in the same LAN---one theI > present ISDN router and one a new DSL router.  I assume that by setting-C > the DSL router as the default gateway (and, perhaps, changing theFF > ALTERNATE GATEWAY in SMTP as well as the bind resolver---so that allI > external machines I need to access are available via DSL (at the moment J > they are at the ISP and I'm not sure if he will allow just anyone to use= > them)), outgoing stuff will not use the ISDN router at all.F > H > So far, so good, unless I've missed something, which hopefully someone > here could point out.9 > G > It would be nice to be able to connect to my LAN from the outside viatI > DSL as well---without a fixed IP address.  I could initiate connections I > periodically automatically to where I want to connect from, see what IPlI > address (that of the DSL router) they come from, and then TELNET to thesI > router.  However, I want to get from the router to machines on the LAN.a > B > I've heard of routers which have a "TELNET console": once one isA > connected to it (via telnet, dial-up, whatever), one can TELNETaE > elsewhere from it (sort of like the console on a terminal server orfB > whatever).  Are there DSL routers which have this functionality?    E If you want to do it right, get an external ethernet modem and a SOHO F router (I use the Linksys BEFSR41.  I have SMTP server and News ServerD (downloads from my ISP) that works well.. .they don't "allow" ftp orE http servers so I have those ports blocked at the router and open theu ones I need.  B I also have a PERL script called ddclient (from ZONEEDIT.COM) thatD updates my dynamic IP address (every 5 minutes) -- but it runs on myG Linux box.  I have not ported it to run as a detached process on my VMStE box yet. I have extracted the usable parts and get "@getip.pl" to geteH the current. My VMS box has a static non-routable 192.168.. IP address. 1 DNS points to local domain and uses DNS from ISP.,  E 2 VMS boxes (Alpha 2100's - one is currently powered off due to heat)r& 2 Linux PC's - (133 and 166Mhz Pent 1) 2 Windoze (98 and ME)e 1 Laptop (WNT4.0)- an additional 8-port hub   -- e Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163d7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com  Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)m 704-236-4377 (Mobile)n   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 02 07:30:24 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com0) Subject: Re: Suggestion: SET DEVICE/RESET<( Message-ID: <8WP8etf$E9No@cpva.saic.com>  ( In article <3CC62402.401EA7E7@fsi.net>, 3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:t > JF Mezei wrote:r >>  P >> Got caught with a TK70 tape that broke  where there is a hole in the magneticP >> tape about 2 feet from the leader. Of course, the TK70 drive became confused. >> rM >> I powered it off, removed the cassette and remaining tape inside the unit,sQ >> reset the tape "catcher" and powered the unit back on. It can succesfully load L >> and unlaod tapes. However, VMS still complains about "medium is offline". >>  P >> I let it rest overnight, hoping it would timeout, but alas no. So I am having( >> to reboot my master node to fix this. >>  P >> Shouldn't there be some sort of SET DEV/RESET that would send a signal to theP >> driver/hardware to reset itself ? (perhaps followed by a SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE >> ALL to reload the device).  > G > I recently discovered - these drives and their younger cousins (TZ88, F > etc.) do this to the HSJs, as well. Ya gotta delete them and add 'em5 > back before youy can use 'em again after a failure.c >  > :-(l >  > -- t > David J. Dachterad > dba DJE Systemsy > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F It's been a while so I forget all the details, but, in the instance ofD a tape drive hung off an HSJ you can frequently recover use of it byF issueing a SET SECURITY command targeting the device. Try changing theF the protection mask to something else and back again. A side effect ofF this is that a bit in some status mask gets cleared. I don't recall if? the bit is within one of the UCB fields or the ORB. Anyway, my aC recollection is that the bit represented "damaged" hardware. Sorry,sC I can't remember all the details (it's been a while); don't know ifc# this would help with JF's TK drive.    -- h - Jimn   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 10:13:40 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: tape problems #2x= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0204240913.6477c9f4@posting.google.com>r  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3CC625B7.8C722A73@fsi.net>... > Hank Vander Waal wrote:d > > 7 > > I have a 4mm dat tape drive on VMS 7.1 ALPHA systemmK > > when I try to restore from the tape backup gets an error just before itoP > > starts the desired saveset  The first save set works just fine.   I can DUMPN > > the tape and can see the 2nd saveset is there and the contents of it.   IsJ > > there ANY program or procedure that will let me get past the error and1 > > either restore or copy down the 2nd saveset??q > > A > > I have tried the tape on other drives and get the same error.2 > I > If you can get past the read error with DUMP, leave the tape positionedtH > on the EOF labels just PRIOR to the saveset you want, assuming they'reI > not part of the "bad spot". Then, BACKUP should locate the saveset justp# > fine and you can do your restore.h > G > My DR site does not recommend 4mm tapes for mission critical backups.oH > They are fragile and easily stretched, they say. My experience matches > their comments.-  D Another thing you can try is to MOUNT the tape without /FOREIGN, andC COPY the save set to a disk, and then restore therefrom. You can doeF this iff the block size of the save set is less than or equal to 32256E bytes, as save sets on disks cannot exist with larger block sizes. (I-C use VMS6.1 and 6.2 -- so any developments past that on this issue Il may be unaware of.)y   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmans" afeldman atski gfigroup dotski com   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 02:57:33 -0700$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) Subject: TCPWare Vs MultiNet= Message-ID: <d0141774.0204240157.14ab88bd@posting.google.com>g   Guys,u  F I've been plowing through Process Software's site trying to decide (a)D why do they produce 2 high-end IP stacks which look to be doing much8 the same thing, and (b) which one should I purchase/use.  @ What are the strong/weak points of each? Is one pricier then the9 other? Is one better for programming? Is one more stable?.  $ Can someone give me some clues here?   Many Thanks,	 Issinoho.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:20:55 -0600m' From: Thomas Dzubin <dzubint@vcn.bc.ca>p  Subject: Re: TCPWare Vs MultiNet% Message-ID: <3CC69517.366D@vcn.bc.ca>s   issinoho wrote: H > I've been plowing through Process Software's site trying to decide (a)F > why do they produce 2 high-end IP stacks which look to be doing much: > the same thing, and (b) which one should I purchase/use.  C In 1997, Process software (makers of TCPware), bought Multinet froml$ Cisco who bought it from TGV in 1996H I'm glad they're separate products since I've been a Multinet user sinceA the early 1990s, but yeah...good question...I'm not sure why theyi haven't merged them together.i   Thomas   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:40:39 +0100t( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>  Subject: Re: TCPWare Vs MultiNet) Message-ID: <3CC699B7.6596E29F@127.0.0.1>    issinoho wrote:h  H > I've been plowing through Process Software's site trying to decide (a)F > why do they produce 2 high-end IP stacks which look to be doing much: > the same thing, and (b) which one should I purchase/use. > B > What are the strong/weak points of each? Is one pricier then the; > other? Is one better for programming? Is one more stable?t > & > Can someone give me some clues here?   How about another from clews!o  7 I've used Multinet, TCPware and UCX now TCPIP services.   G Yes you're right, they all do the same sort of thing, but features varyP2 slightly and the command interface certainly does.  G Personally I find the Multinet interface more intuitive, but that couldaF also be because I was trained on it. The pricing structure for TCPwareF is (or was) different to Multinet, you buy the whole bang, but TCPware5 is modular, yet TCPIP services can be included in the 2 whatever-it-was-that-replaced-NAS for new systems.   -- c( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot comi   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 08:40:54 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)  Subject: Re: TCPWare Vs MultiNet; Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204240740.adf358@posting.google.com>u  i issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) wrote in message news:<d0141774.0204240157.14ab88bd@posting.google.com>...i > Guys,e > H > I've been plowing through Process Software's site trying to decide (a)F > why do they produce 2 high-end IP stacks which look to be doing much: > the same thing, and (b) which one should I purchase/use. > B > What are the strong/weak points of each? Is one pricier then the; > other? Is one better for programming? Is one more stable?c > & > Can someone give me some clues here? >  > Many Thanks, > Issinoho.t  A Process always owned TCPware, but picked up Multinet on a buy outfH like they did PMDF ... as for which one, our testing showed definitivelyF that TCPware, because it is the only IP stack based on the VMS kernel,H outperforms both multinet and ucx head to head ... quite plainly it runsG crisper than the others ... TCPware and Multinet share many of the sameeG features as when one gets something, so does the other, but TCPware hasdE a better VMS feel as far as configuration goes ... actually, once you F understand the configuration file well enough, you can make changes byA just editing it instead of even bothering w/the NETCU utility ...e@ TCPware was written for VMS, and it is superior for VMS, period!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:12:21 GMT-- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)r  Subject: Re: TCPWare Vs MultiNet0 Message-ID: <3cc6d7a8.13239166@news.process.com>  L On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:20:55 -0600, Thomas Dzubin <dzubint@vcn.bc.ca> wrote:   >issinoho wrote:I >> I've been plowing through Process Software's site trying to decide (a) G >> why do they produce 2 high-end IP stacks which look to be doing much ; >> the same thing, and (b) which one should I purchase/use.v >hD >In 1997, Process software (makers of TCPware), bought Multinet from% >Cisco who bought it from TGV in 1996mI >I'm glad they're separate products since I've been a Multinet user sinceeB >the early 1990s, but yeah...good question...I'm not sure why they >haven't merged them together. >sE Over the years, some components have been "merged"---both stacks haveeC the same SMTP server and MAILSHR, the same FTP server, the same SSHsF server, the same BIND server, etc.  However, the management interfacesE are different enough that I doubt any TCPware customer would be happy I to use to the MultiNet interface and vice versa.  And since both productseE have sizeable customer bases, we've tried to ensure that the products D are common where they can be without disrupting the things each base likes about each product.-  C The biggest external difference between the products is, as I said,F@ the management and application interface.  TCPware utilities areH DCL-like in their CLIs, while MultiNet's CLI is TOPS-20-based.  I alwaysF have a hard-time answering the "Which should I use?" question, becauseC they're similar enough that it mostly comes down to which interfacetJ you prefer.  You can get demo versions of both and try them both, if you'd like.h  C Note: I work for Process Software and have worked on both products.e   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/< New Robert R. McCammon site: http://www.RobertRMcCammon.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 06:52:47 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>X Subject: Re: The 'tone' of c.o.v. (was Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!)6 Message-ID: <20020424065247.17465.qmail@gacracker.org>  6 On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy3 <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote:r   <snip>  I >> Apart from the infamous Mr Harrison, everybody here seems to be of theoO >> opinion that VMS is one of the finest operating systems ever developed, thatdK >> isn't an easily arrived-at conclusion from much of the posting herein. IhO >> wish it was, because I refer people here who've only been using the OS for aeL >> few days. I certainly don't want to sweep the issues many of us have withH >> Digital/Compaq management under the carpet, their behaviour has been O >> inexcusable, and in some respects continues to be so. That should be pointedoK >> out at every opportunity, but it should be remembered that it has littleu >> impact doing so here. h >> g >e > G >Another person who needs to do a bit more trawling through deja/googlee >rB >Perhaps you should have taken the advice you so kindly offered meD >because if you had bothered to trawl through the newsgroup archives@ >you would find that I have nothing against OpenVMS technically.  F My apologies for making the statement then. I suppose that this is the> closest we'll get to you saying VMS is a good or great OS. :-)  A >Sure it has its deficiencies, filesystem performance (two faileda? >attempts to fix this), security through obscurity, origionally C >no integrated IP stack etc. But show me an OS that is perfect nones >are.o  G As Bill points out, the filesystem can be tuned, I am no expert on thiseK issue but from what I have read herein I suspect the issue is partially duer8 to aggressive attempts to maintain filesystem integrity.  G Security through obscurity? Would you care to elaborate on that. SourceoG code listings for the OS may be purchased and reviewed by any customer.e  K As to the IP stack, I think it is a good idea to separate that from the OS.aG Surely it keeps the management of system security under better control.   @ >What I object to is actually the attitude which is sumarised by= >"OpenVMS is the finest OS ever developed". An OS is a lot of(; >things and OpenVMS does some of them very well, clusteringi> >for example, some of them well and some of them very badly IP6 >support origionally for example, filesystem perf etc.  = What other attitude do you expect from a bunch of VMS bigots?:  @ <snip - I'll let others such as Bill address performance issues>  ? >And whatever you think about OpenVMS it is inextricably linked?= >with Compaq, this is the millstone arround OpenVMS's neck asi+ >well as being a millstone arround Compaqs.,  @ Indeed it is, you won't get a lot of disagreement in this group.  > >This is because Compaq don't know what to do with OpenVMS and> >have squandered most of the technology leads OpenVMS had over= >other OS's. For example OpenVMS clustering was well ahead of : >UNIX clustering it now isn't. On the flip side for Compaq; >OpenVMS consumes resources that Compaq culturally were nott8 >used to have to expend, R&D and intellectual. Having an8 >agenda set for you by MS and Intel down to the level of7 >being told exactly what sized systems to build and how = >to build them did not foster the culture required to develope: >things. Sadly if various articles published about Carly's8 >reign at HP are correct she has gone a long way towards? >dismantling HP's engineering led culture which might have beeni2 >OpenVMS's saviour when/if the merger takes place.  I I pretty much have to agree with you there. Compaq seem to have succumbedw@ to the dumbing-down that seems so widespread in the IT industry.   <snip>  = >Compaq cannot even be bothered to support their own productst9 >on OpenVMS, I refer to Compaq's non support of their own 7 >Crypto card with OpenVMS, a key component in a B2C/B2Bi >infrastructure.  K C'mon! This is a new one that has just come to your attention. How long are & you going to use it to beat up on VMS?  8 >Sun takes a holistic view of Solaris, it is the OS, the6 >hardware and the apps that run on it without this the( >OS is as usefull as a chocolate teapot.  J Ah, I haven't heard that expression in a *long* time. Although, if it willD make you happy, I'll concede that Sun seem to do a far better job of5 managing and marketing their products than Compaq do.      Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.nets   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:31:09 +0100 T From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com>X Subject: Re: The 'tone' of c.o.v. (was Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!)& Message-ID: <3CC6C1AD.9030007@sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:  % > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"o? > <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote in messagem" > news:3CC567BD.5000806@sun.com... >  > ...e >  > C >>Perhaps you should have taken the advice you so kindly offered meiE >>because if you had bothered to trawl through the newsgroup archives A >>you would find that I have nothing against OpenVMS technically.r >> > L > That's by and large the impression I've had, though you do have a tendencyH > to dismiss rather than squarely address technical areas where your ownL > system comes under fire - so to say that you don't trash VMS is not to say > that you're unbiased.t >  > B >>Sure it has its deficiencies, filesystem performance (two failed@ >>attempts to fix this), security through obscurity, origionallyD >>no integrated IP stack etc. But show me an OS that is perfect none >>are. >> > L > And you're not above the occasional indulgence in technical FUD, the aboveM > containing two examples.  While a general perception that VMS's file systemrM > performs relatively poorly might be understandable, the problem is not with L > its capabilities but with its default settings (which are long overdue forN > update:  they're aimed at optimizing performance in systems with main memoryF > on the order of a megabyte rather than a gigabyte).  It is eminentlyI > possible for a user to obtain competitive performance from the VMS file H > system, but it requires a good deal more intimate acquaintance than is) > required by, say, typical Unix systems.  >   H I am sure that altering the default settings helps, but if David MathogsG benchmark results for OpenVMS and other OS's were correct and if I read8E them correctly changing the default settings improved performance but C not by enough to make OpenVMS filesystem I/O comparable with moderne UNIX's.   D Its also worth pointing out that David did not use any of the fasterF UNIX filesystem options. He did not run UFS+ on Solaris in direct modeD or use VxFS or QFS all of which could have dramatically improved theA performance when compared with default UFS+ performance. Most big C DBMS servers use either VxFS or UFS+ with Direct I/O (standard parteE of UFS). These both bypass the UFS buffer cache for filesystem writesl= in order to improve performance and reduce memory contention.I  E The OpenVMS filesystem also does not seem to support a mechanism liketA read clustering which can improve read performance without making  changes to apps.      I > And VMS's security in no way *depends* upon obscurity:  it is real, andtM > would stand up excellently when compared with its competition even if theiri$ > relative popularity were reversed. >     H I have never suggested that OpenVMS is insecure quite the opposite, whatE I do question is the OpenVMS is unhackable immune to buffer overflows F etc when this isn't the case. I also question and this is the securityH through obscurity point the apparent reliance by some less clued postersG to this newsgroup to the relative volume of CERT advisories for OpenVMS F vs other platforms. Obscurity because there are documented examples ofF OpenVMS vunerabilites that merit a CERT response not getting one or in> one case an incorrect response no vunerability when there was.    M > So while you may on average stand on firmer technical ground than Kerry andeM > jlsue, you've got a ways to go before one could consider you 'pure' in this" > area.h >  > A >>What I object to is actually the attitude which is sumarised by', >>"OpenVMS is the finest OS ever developed". >> > M > Perhaps instead of objecting to it you should just try to understand it and0N > address it.  As of the mid-to-late-'80s, VMS *may* well have been the finestN > OS ever developed, so the assertion is not with out some basis.  However, itG > has fallen on bad times since, and this causes real pain to those whofN > appreciate it (this forum perhaps comprising most of those who appreciate it> > most, since everyone else has been alienated by its owners). >     G I think I covered this in the rest of my posting. Compaq has squanderedaH most of the leads it had in areas like clustering. Even more gastly theyH actually gave OpenVMS clustering IP to Microsoft which fortunately being MS they squandered.      regardse   Andrew Harrisonr   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:12:43 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>X Subject: Re: The 'tone' of c.o.v. (was Re: Prediction:  VMS lives, merger or no merger!)B Message-ID: <fIBx8.180867$K5.15254333@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  # "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"o= <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote in messagee  news:3CC6C1AD.9030007@sun.com... >n >m > Bill Todd wrote:   ...l  5 > > While a general perception that VMS's file system J > > performs relatively poorly might be understandable, the problem is not withJ > > its capabilities but with its default settings (which are long overdue forrI > > update:  they're aimed at optimizing performance in systems with mainh memoryH > > on the order of a megabyte rather than a gigabyte).  It is eminentlyK > > possible for a user to obtain competitive performance from the VMS file J > > system, but it requires a good deal more intimate acquaintance than is+ > > required by, say, typical Unix systems.- > >- >-J > I am sure that altering the default settings helps, but if David MathogsI > benchmark results for OpenVMS and other OS's were correct and if I readtG > them correctly changing the default settings improved performance butsE > not by enough to make OpenVMS filesystem I/O comparable with moderni	 > UNIX's.b  F OTOH, David never actually used the VMS file system directly, but onlyH through the RMS record-management layer on top of it.  The raw code-pathL execution differences he saw when running from a RAM disk (which is what you, may be referring to above) were due to this.  J VMS and Unix aren't really directly comparable in this respect:  VMS has aG file system (which is accessible to applications, though most access itsB through RMS) but that performs sector-level access to files, and aG record-management layer (RMS) on top of that which *can* perform simpleeG Unix-style stream access (or even sector-level access) but is primarilyiI aimed at performing sequential, random, and multi-keyed indexed access tomJ record-structured files.  The RMS layer does make the code path for simpleL access noticeably longer than it otherwise could be, while direct use of theB file system likely makes it shorter than in Unix (but requires theF application to do its own blocking/deblocking of data from the sectors
 accessed).   >2F > Its also worth pointing out that David did not use any of the fasterH > UNIX filesystem options. He did not run UFS+ on Solaris in direct modeF > or use VxFS or QFS all of which could have dramatically improved theC > performance when compared with default UFS+ performance. Most bigwE > DBMS servers use either VxFS or UFS+ with Direct I/O (standard partIG > of UFS). These both bypass the UFS buffer cache for filesystem writesc? > in order to improve performance and reduce memory contention.   D Nor did he use the direct file system access mechanisms (or even theK equivalent RMS mechanisms) that do exactly the same thing - and, unlike the 4 recent Unix facilities, have been there since Day 1.   >eG > The OpenVMS filesystem also does not seem to support a mechanism likenC > read clustering which can improve read performance without makingl > changes to apps.  L Without knowing exactly what you mean by 'read clustering', I will note thatH VMS  1) supports facilities that make files contiguous, or optionally asC contiguous as possible, on disk (and even finer 'placement control'tL mechanisms, but they aren't relevant to this particular point),  2) supportsC (via specifiable buffer sizes) variable access granularity to files0H (contiguous or not), such that each disk request brings in a specifiableD amount of data (and this can be controlled on a per-file basis by an@ application or by setting values outside the application - i.e.,K transparently), and  3) supports asynchronous multi-buffering for both readoG and write access (I'm not certain whether this option can be controlled F outside the application, but it is easy to do inside the application).  J VMS's file system faults really are only in ease of use, not in breadth ofI facilities or capabilities.  It requires some knowledge (but is in no wayeL impossible) to get a VMS system to access files with the default performanceL (and, one might add, the default fragility) that a Unix system has.  In partG this is because of antiquated default settings that *probably* could beiE changed with only beneficial effects (the 'probably' part is why theykJ weren't changed long ago, but some mechanism allowing them to be differentJ for at least *new* applications is long overdue).  In part this is becauseG of more basic design differences that make use of a common system cacheaL (especially in a cluster environment) more difficult - though, as with otherD differences, the benefits of centralized caching can be obtained viaE mechanisms such as RMS's global buffers (which IIRC can be configuredwI transparently to an application) and additional progress was made several-J years ago when the 'virtual I/O cache' (VIOC) was implemented (the new XFCK further improves the situation, but still has some kinks left to work out).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:55:29 +0200u( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL> Subject: RE: TLZ7L AutoloadertC Message-ID: <86BE4031AD3CD611AC170008C7F37BC2472AB6@wt15.wt.tno.nl>p  F I haven't found something like that either, but you can 'simulate' theN slot-select by a repetitive mount-dismount procedure and checking the label ofO the mounted volume. That is of course if you know which label is in which slot.I   Mark   -----Original Message-----8 From: Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@firstdbasource.com]" Sent: woensdag 24 april 2002 00:14 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh Subject: TLZ7L Autoloadery    G Does anyone have a command procedure that can select different slots ineC the TLZ07 4-cartridge autoloader?  I have searched high and low ande cannot seem to locate one.  
 OpenVMS 7.2-1n -- c Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163a7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comn Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)u 704-236-4377 (Mobile)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:19:46 +0200t. From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si> Subject: Re: TLZ7L Autoloaderf/ Message-ID: <a7zx8.597$WO2.20830@news.siol.net>   * Install MRU utility and use ROBOT commandsI or beter yet get MDMS+MRU (ABS-OMT license is included in Alpha's licensee package you probably have)' and use MDMS MOVE VOLUME and companionse  K It's a bit of pain if you not used or familiar with MDMS concepts, but whenf you get there it's fun.n  I MDMS V4.0 is out and as I have some begining problems when upgrading fromk 3.2A, it's working well.  , I like new GUI look of MDMS 4.0 and ABS 4.0.   best, Gorazd    > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message, news:3CC5DCC4.4C93C961@firstdbasource.com...I > Does anyone have a command procedure that can select different slots in-E > the TLZ07 4-cartridge autoloader?  I have searched high and low andh > cannot seem to locate one. >c > OpenVMS 7.2-1  > --
 > Regards, >e9 > Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #26116309 > First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com0 > Sr. Consultant > 704-947-1089 (Office)e > 704-236-4377 (Mobile)i >@   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:04:23 -0400b1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>s Subject: Re: TLZ7L Autoloaders2 Message-ID: <3CC6C977.60DD43DF@firstdbasource.com>   Gorazd Kikelj wrote: > , > Install MRU utility and use ROBOT commandsK > or beter yet get MDMS+MRU (ABS-OMT license is included in Alpha's licensec > package you probably have)) > and use MDMS MOVE VOLUME and companionsC > M > It's a bit of pain if you not used or familiar with MDMS concepts, but whenn > you get there it's fun.  > K > MDMS V4.0 is out and as I have some begining problems when upgrading frome > 3.2A, it's working well. > . > I like new GUI look of MDMS 4.0 and ABS 4.0. >  > best, Gorazd > @ > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message. > news:3CC5DCC4.4C93C961@firstdbasource.com...K > > Does anyone have a command procedure that can select different slots indG > > the TLZ07 4-cartridge autoloader?  I have searched high and low andr > > cannot seem to locate one. > >  > > OpenVMS 7.2-1l > > --  > MRU does not appeart to support the TLZ07 (TLZ7L) tape loader. -- s Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163t7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comr Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)a 704-236-4377 (Mobile)e   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 08:38:27 -0700; From: JNCHAMBL@TEXASCHILDRENSHOSPITAL.ORG (Jesse Chambless)e Subject: Re: TLZ7L Autoloaderg= Message-ID: <764ccbac.0204240738.27edf1e6@posting.google.com>t  B Compaq offers one called ROBOT that works with my TL881DXL.  Don'tF know if it would work for your drive or not.  You might want to take a look at it.a  s "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL> wrote in message news:<86BE4031AD3CD611AC170008C7F37BC2472AB6@wt15.wt.tno.nl>...eH > I haven't found something like that either, but you can 'simulate' theP > slot-select by a repetitive mount-dismount procedure and checking the label ofQ > the mounted volume. That is of course if you know which label is in which slot.l >  > Mark >  > -----Original Message-----: > From: Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@firstdbasource.com]$ > Sent: woensdag 24 april 2002 00:14 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt > Subject: TLZ7L Autoloaderp >  > I > Does anyone have a command procedure that can select different slots ineE > the TLZ07 4-cartridge autoloader?  I have searched high and low andl > cannot seem to locate one. >  > OpenVMS 7.2-1i   ------------------------------   Date: 24 APR 2002 16:07:44 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>e Subject: Re: TLZ7L Autoloader 2 Message-ID: <24APR02.16074458@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  I In a previous article, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:  > Gorazd Kikelj wrote: > > . > > Install MRU utility and use ROBOT commandsM > > or beter yet get MDMS+MRU (ABS-OMT license is included in Alpha's licensea > > package you probably have)+ > > and use MDMS MOVE VOLUME and companionsh > > O > > It's a bit of pain if you not used or familiar with MDMS concepts, but whent > > you get there it's fun.  > > M > > MDMS V4.0 is out and as I have some begining problems when upgrading fromg > > 3.2A, it's working well. > > 0 > > I like new GUI look of MDMS 4.0 and ABS 4.0. > >  > > best, Gorazd > > B > > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message0 > > news:3CC5DCC4.4C93C961@firstdbasource.com...M > > > Does anyone have a command procedure that can select different slots intI > > > the TLZ07 4-cartridge autoloader?  I have searched high and low ands  > > > cannot seem to locate one. > > >p > > > OpenVMS 7.2-1t > > > -- >   @ > MRU does not appeart to support the TLZ07 (TLZ7L) tape loader.  C ?????  I use MRU v1.4-1 with a TLZ07.  And have for serveral years.   H IIRC, you need to issue appropriate QIOs to randomly select TLZ07 slots.F That's a bit difficult to do from a command procedure.  (I did write aB COM to simplify - for my purposes - access to the ROBOT commands.)   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVoH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:53:52 -0400r1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>. Subject: Re: TLZ7L Autoloader-2 Message-ID: <3CC6D510.8486C6AD@firstdbasource.com>   Michael Austin wrote:U >  > Gorazd Kikelj wrote: > >m. > > Install MRU utility and use ROBOT commandsM > > or beter yet get MDMS+MRU (ABS-OMT license is included in Alpha's licenseD > > package you probably have)+ > > and use MDMS MOVE VOLUME and companionsC > >tO > > It's a bit of pain if you not used or familiar with MDMS concepts, but when3 > > you get there it's fun.  > >.M > > MDMS V4.0 is out and as I have some begining problems when upgrading fromi > > 3.2A, it's working well. > >t0 > > I like new GUI look of MDMS 4.0 and ABS 4.0. > >t > > best, Gorazd > >nB > > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message0 > > news:3CC5DCC4.4C93C961@firstdbasource.com...M > > > Does anyone have a command procedure that can select different slots inmI > > > the TLZ07 4-cartridge autoloader?  I have searched high and low andu  > > > cannot seem to locate one. > > >  > > > OpenVMS 7.2-1t > > > -- > @ > MRU does not appeart to support the TLZ07 (TLZ7L) tape loader. > --  F Yes it does... should have done an exhaustive search to find it beforeF replying :)  Now I can load/unload tapes at will ... Thanks to the MRU team -- whoever they are...o -- i Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163 7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com  Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)s 704-236-4377 (Mobile)e   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 05:18:05 -0700- From: jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell)  Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha CIr= Message-ID: <9059bf6b.0204240418.37c38437@posting.google.com>   D > Maybe.  I'm not yet completely convinced that they're incapable ofD > doing what I want.  Though if I can't get programming info or lookC > at the driver sources, it won't matter whether they're capable orl > not.  B I wish you luck in your endeavor.  If however it does not turnout,A please keep me in mind for the cards.  I am just lil' o' hobbyista3 looking to teach my children about OpenVMS someday.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 22:27:10 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha CIf- Message-ID: <87n0vtkw8x.fsf@prep.synonet.com>i  5 Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> writes:a  * > Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@attbi.com> writes:J > > I don't think the CI780 could support 4K packets; that's why the CIPCAI > > could not cohabitate with any CI780/CI750/CIBCI or HSC50 nodes.  And,e4 > > I'll bet that the CI20 had the same restriction.  r0 > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:L > > As the CI780/750 and the CI20 are the same HW, modulo the paddle boards,  > > your money is pretty safe...  oD > The "smarts" of the CI20 are on the IPA, which plugs into the KL10< > Ebus and Cbus, modules M3001, M3002, and M3003.  These areE > definitely not the same as any modules used on the CI780, since the D > latter is an SBI device.  SBI is not even similar to the KL10 Ebus > and Cbus.s  D No, the 'smarts' of the CI780/750/20 are in the box on the other endE of the cables. Enough AMD29xx to make Tom Edison smile :) The SBI/CMIo6 or E/Cbus connection is made with different card sets.  F Can anyone remember what the CI box was called? Pluto was the original" big Com/terminal server I think...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.R@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 07:35:44 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>i Subject: VAXCLUSTER license 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKECNENAA.tom@kednos.com>d  + This apparently no longer comes from CSA.  t Anybody know how to get one?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:57:35 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>w Subject: Re: VAXCLUSTER license ) Message-ID: <3CC6C7DE.25860224@gtech.com>a   Tom Linden wrote:s+ > This apparently no longer comes from CSA.o > Anybody know how to get one?  5 Send an order with a fat check to your local friendlyb) Digital/Compaq/HP/whatever sales guy ????h   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 12:23:18 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)y6 Subject: Re: VAXCLUSTER license (from ISVnet/ASAP/CSA)3 Message-ID: <oLEHSmnLT2so@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKECNENAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:m- > This apparently no longer comes from CSA.  :  % I don't believe CSA or ASAP ever did.t  2 CSA does nothing to encourage development for VAX.  B I was told at one point the root cause was that somebody felt ASAPA did not have enough time to answer VAX/VMS questions because they>6 were devoting more time to Unix and Windows questions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:36:37 +1000'/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>g# Subject: Re: VI editor for OpenVMS?n1 Message-ID: <jhtx8.3102$2l.235987@ozemail.com.au>   7 "John Reagan" <john.reagan@compaq.com> wrote in messagee# news:3CC58F66.4030003@compaq.com...y > sword7@speakeasy.org wrote:n > > Hello folks: > >eH > > I am working on my TS10 emulator.  Now OpenVMS normally boots on it.I > > OpenVMS is running stable.  On OpenVMS system, I was figuring out how D > > to search for a word through TPU or EDT editor.  Is there a copyL > > of VI editor for OpenVMS?  I know that vi editor originally was designedF > > for Unix.  I was looking through ftp.process.com but have not find  > > a vi editor for OpenVMS yet. > >h > > Thank you! > >  > > -- Tim Stark > >p >eI > Besides "vim" (which somebody else pointed to at), there are also a TPUlJ > package which does a pretty good job at making TPU look like VI.  It wasI > good enough such that I couldn't get out of the editor and I had to log I > into another terminal just to do STOP/ID.  Just like real VI on UNIX...MJ >   I don't have a pointer right now, but I can dig it up if "vim" doesn't > do the trick.  >l > --
 > John Reagane) > Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leaderw >h It originally came fromt Department of Mathematicss Oklahoma State Universityf I got mine from 6  http://www.myths.com/~dpm/vms/TPU_emulation_of_vi.zip) It works and the doco is in runoff formatn What more could you want?e Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:07:53 +0200m3 From: "Philippe Bocher" <philippebocher@wanadoo.fr>e Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 SDK?m& Message-ID: <3cc6ba15$1@news.euriware>  ? "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> a crit dans le message news: - r2gacu04kvj4odkmad6s99b3j2ek59eik9@4ax.com...x >uG > Can anyone tell me if there will be a 7.3-1 wide release SDK for betam4 > testers as has been the case with recent releases? > F > I've noticed a couple of postings from people who seem to be testing+ > 7.3-1 but haven't seen any announcements.e >  > -- > Alan      L  Compaq OpenVMS is pleased to announce that the Compaq OpenVMS Alpha VersionJ 7.3-1 External Field Test Software Developer's Kit (SDK) will be availableI in April 2002. The OpenVMS   Alpha Version 7.3-1EFT SDK contains an earlybI release of the OpenVMS V7.3-1 Alpha operating system, accompanied by manyeK layered products that have been updated for this release    OpenVMS VersionaH 7.3-1 will focus on expanding our OpenVMS SAN offering, improving systemD availability, and providing I/O and SMP performance improvements andA enhanced security.  This release also includes the first phase oftF enhancements that make it easier to port UNIX applications to OpenVMS.  J  The Compaq OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3-1 External Field Test (EFT) SDK will= be available in April 2002.  You can order the kit by callingtD 1-800-ATCOMPAQ.  The part number is QA-MT3AD-H8 at a cost of $46.00.  E  For more information, please refer to this description of the Compaqe5 OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3-1 Software Developer's Kit:v       <<V7.3-1 SDK Note.doc>>r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:28:48 GMTi. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 SDK?d4 Message-ID: <Aizx8.214340$vp.2763955@news.chello.at>  \ In article <3cc6ba15$1@news.euriware>, "Philippe Bocher" <philippebocher@wanadoo.fr> writes:@ >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> a crit dans le message news:. >r2gacu04kvj4odkmad6s99b3j2ek59eik9@4ax.com... >>H >> Can anyone tell me if there will be a 7.3-1 wide release SDK for beta5 >> testers as has been the case with recent releases?a >>G >> I've noticed a couple of postings from people who seem to be testingo, >> 7.3-1 but haven't seen any announcements. >tM > Compaq OpenVMS is pleased to announce that the Compaq OpenVMS Alpha Version K >7.3-1 External Field Test Software Developer's Kit (SDK) will be availableoJ >in April 2002. The OpenVMS   Alpha Version 7.3-1EFT SDK contains an earlyJ >release of the OpenVMS V7.3-1 Alpha operating system, accompanied by manyL >layered products that have been updated for this release    OpenVMS VersionI >7.3-1 will focus on expanding our OpenVMS SAN offering, improving systemeE >availability, and providing I/O and SMP performance improvements and,B >enhanced security.  This release also includes the first phase ofG >enhancements that make it easier to port UNIX applications to OpenVMS.  >cK > The Compaq OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3-1 External Field Test (EFT) SDK will > >be available in April 2002.  You can order the kit by callingE >1-800-ATCOMPAQ.  The part number is QA-MT3AD-H8 at a cost of $46.00.e >nF > For more information, please refer to this description of the Compaq6 >OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3-1 Software Developer's Kit: >" >r >  <<V7.3-1 SDK Note.doc>>  M Can somebody check if the new MSA1000 is supported in the VMS V7.3-1, please.n   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist' E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 15:05:16 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>r0 Subject: Re: VMS on http://www.windows-sucks.org6 Message-ID: <20020424150516.31326.qmail@gacracker.org>  G On 24 Apr 2002, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>s wrote:? >On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:e >>"Doc.Cypher" wrote:  >>> 9 >>> This was one of those things I never expected, but...  >>> J >>> I've been approached for an account from one of the people running theO >>> windows sucks website. In addition to wanting an account they're interested-5 >>> in having something about VMS to go on the site. 9 >>$ >>I'm amazed no-one has bitten this. >e  >Me too, guess Sue must be busy.  K I've had a mail from one of the VMS Ambassadors pointing out that Sue is onlF holiday this week, he's also passed on the first post in the thread toD Someone In Marketing. I'll wait and see if they can provide anything	 suitable.U  I In the meantime, borrowing bits from the FAQ, I've made a start which canSJ be seen at https://vmsbox.cjb.net/vms.html and I'd appreciate any comments on this.     Doc. -- m6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:12:12 -0400t5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>e0 Subject: Re: VMS on http://www.windows-sucks.org, Message-ID: <aa6i9r$6ips$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  I Doc.Cypher wrote in message <20020424121413.27031.qmail@gacracker.org>...a? >On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:6 >>"Doc.Cypher" wrote:  >>> 9 >>> This was one of those things I never expected, but...4 >>>9J >>> I've been approached for an account from one of the people running theD >>> windows sucks website. In addition to wanting an account they're
 interested4 >>> in having something about VMS to go on the site. >>$ >>I'm amazed no-one has bitten this. >o  >Me too, guess Sue must be busy. >     J Sue is on vacation, as are a lot of people - this being NH school vacation week.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:56:53 -0400U> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>; Subject: WAS...RE: TLZ7L Autoloader... NOW... ABS MDMS V4.0fM Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D032C3847@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>g  ) I agree that ABS/MDMS V4.0 is definitely i  a better version of the product.   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadways Albany, NY  12204f USAb 518-487-3255 John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.coma  ) I post personal opinion only, and all thei* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my) views in no way represent my employer(s)..+ One should also take note of the Electronicr) Communications Privacy Act of 1986, whicha+ imposes civil and criminal liability on anyL( person who intentionally intercepts "any( wire, oral or electronic communication."   -----Original Message-----3 From: Gorazd Kikelj [mailto:gorazd.kikelj@aster.si]-( Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:20 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComR Subject: Re: TLZ7L Autoloaders    * Install MRU utility and use ROBOT commandsI or beter yet get MDMS+MRU (ABS-OMT license is included in Alpha's licensel package you probably have)' and use MDMS MOVE VOLUME and companionso  K It's a bit of pain if you not used or familiar with MDMS concepts, but when" you get there it's fun.i  I MDMS V4.0 is out and as I have some begining problems when upgrading from  3.2A, it's working well.  , I like new GUI look of MDMS 4.0 and ABS 4.0.   best, Gorazd   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 05:31:28 -0700- From: jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell)h) Subject: Re: where can I find older DECC? = Message-ID: <9059bf6b.0204240431.1757296d@posting.google.com>m  d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBDENAA.tom@kednos.com>..., > Looking for DECC for Alpha older than 6.0,- > preferrably 5.6, not sure if there were anyt > releases between the two.t > 2 > Is there a site from which it can be downloaded? > 5 > Alternatively, if someone has the savesets, perhaps- > they could ftp them to me ?  >  > Thanks > TomG  D May I ask the reasons for that particular version?  Perhaps there isB an alternative that would allow you to use a more recent compiler.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:57:12 -0700o# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ) Subject: RE: where can I find older DECC?b9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEECHENAA.tom@kednos.com>'   >   -----Original Message-----8 >   From: Jason O'Donnell [mailto:jodonnell@hrblock.com]+ >   Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 5:31 AM  >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt- >   Subject: Re: where can I find older DECC?  >S >.2 >   "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message9 >   news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBDENAA.tom@kednos.com>...i0 >   > Looking for DECC for Alpha older than 6.0,1 >   > preferrably 5.6, not sure if there were any@ >   > releases between the two.a >   > 6 >   > Is there a site from which it can be downloaded? >   > 9 >   > Alternatively, if someone has the savesets, perhapst! >   > they could ftp them to me ?o >   >I >   > Thanks	 >   > Tomo >nH >   May I ask the reasons for that particular version?  Perhaps there isF >   an alternative that would allow you to use a more recent compiler. >   L Have a customer who has a large suite of programs written in both C and PL/IJ and they weren't able to rebuild the C programs using later version of theL compiler.  They wanted to get the system running on new hardware immediatelyK so they didn't want to spend the time to figure out how adapt their code to " the new C compiler at the present.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:06:32 -0400o$ From: Joe Swift <jswift@clemson.edu>+ Subject: WIN2000 printing to LPS17 problems:+ Message-ID: <3CC6C9F8.D3EB835B@clemson.edu>i  
 Greetings;  H For those who are still using LPS17s I have a question.  Has anyone elseB encountered problems with the LPS17 print drivers in Windows 2000?D When printing from applications like Acrobat and Power Point we get F multiple copies of the document even though only one copy shows on the7 print screen.   Does anyone know of a solution to this?c    / Please respone via Email to: jswift@clemson.edus     Thanks!r  	 Joe Swiftn   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:36:30 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>A, Subject: X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display; Message-ID: <01KGY7N0KA6C8Y6W8D@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   # X Toolkit Error: Can't Open displayo% %DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204C  F What can cause this error?  The security settings allow windows to be @ open, the node where the display should be running is otherwise + reachable and the display is set correctly.o  I I use a machine to basically just run DECwindows and connect to a lot of  G other machines.  It was replaced with newer hardware and software, but  G same node name, IP address etc.  Thus, I think it must be some problem eD on the system where the display should be opened, not on the remote  system.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:30:32 GMTe From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGi0 Subject: Re: X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display0 Message-ID: <00A0CF14.43AD434B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  w In article <01KGY7N0KA6C8Y6W8D@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:n$ >X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display& >%DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204 >3G >What can cause this error?  The security settings allow windows to be  A >open, the node where the display should be running is otherwise r, >reachable and the display is set correctly. >iJ >I use a machine to basically just run DECwindows and connect to a lot of H >other machines.  It was replaced with newer hardware and software, but H >same node name, IP address etc.  Thus, I think it must be some problem E >on the system where the display should be opened, not on the remote 0 >system.  D When I get such an error, I typically do a TELNET/PORT=6000 to the XF server machine.  This has uncovered a few problems in the past for me. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            'J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesb   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:49:34 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>aD Subject: Re: X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display (problem solved!!!); Message-ID: <01KGYA8IUVJU8Y6W8D@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   F > When I get such an error, I typically do a TELNET/PORT=6000 to the XH > server machine.  This has uncovered a few problems in the past for me.  1 Thanks, good idea.  A colleague found my mistake:e   ************7 File SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM;2h:   257   $   decw$server_transports == "DECNET,LOCAL,TCPIP"*   258   $ ! decw$server_connect_log == "T" ******7 File SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM;1m:   257   $ ! decw$server_transports == "DECNET,LOCAL,TCPIP"*   258   $ ! decw$server_connect_log == "T"   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2002 23:36:20 -0700- From: pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis) ? Subject: Re: XP1000 does not recognize Compaq memory in  Bank 1a< Message-ID: <e54adf36.0204232236.39dfd3e@posting.google.com>  h "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote in message news:<ucbtna11ak5083@news.supernews.com>...7 > You need to update to the latest firmware for a startm  E I am at the latest Firmware (5.91 I think). This is the first thing IA$ do when I get the quarterly updates.  3 > I have the beep codes and led codes at the officen > E > Call me on USA 912 447 6622 and I'll fax a copy of the codes to you0   Thank you. I shall do that.a  
 Kind regards,j Petros ---m Petros Dafniotis, PhDS pdafniotis@yahoo.com   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 01:04:25 -0700- From: pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis)w? Subject: Re: XP1000 does not recognize Compaq memory in  Bank 1f= Message-ID: <e54adf36.0204240004.5d5d8061@posting.google.com>    Further on my post...-E Having 4 Kingston (4x256MB) in Bank 0 and 4 Compaq (4x128) in Bank 1,L I did a:  
 >>> sh mem    at the console prompt and I get:   1024 MBytes of System Memory: Bank          Size            Base Addr              Dimms: ----         --------         ------------           -----9    0          1024 MBytes     00000000               1111 9    1             0 MBytes     00000000               1111t  > So it does see my Compaq Dimms but it does not find the RAM...  ; when it is booting it is interesting to note that it shows: + ED.E8.E7.E6.E5.E4.1024 MBytes System Memory> Is this normal?o  C BTW, firmware is at 5.9-1 which is the latest for XP-1000. Also the-4 graphics card is the Powerstorm 350 card (32MB RAM).  & Thank you for any advise... Desperate,   Petros ---d Petros Dafniotis, PhDs pdafniotis@yahoo.com      r pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis) wrote in message news:<e54adf36.0204210943.665b6066@posting.google.com>...B > I purchased two years ago a XP1000 with 512MB (4x128) in Bank 0. > O > Now I purchased a Kingston approved 1GB (4x256). REASON: Swiss Francs 1200 vsgP > Swiss francs 10,000 for Compaq RAM. I could not justify for the life of me the > extra cost of Compaq RAM.h > 3 > I put Kingston in Bank1 with Compaq RAM in Bank 0 $ >    RESULT: 4 beeps from the system > A > I put Kingston in Bank0 alone and remove Compaq RAM completely. L >    RESULT; Boots ok recognizes extra RAM both in Console prompt and in VMS > 3 > I put Kingston in Bank 0 and Compaq RAM in Bank1.,R >    RESULT: I boot ok, but both Console and OpenVMS REFUSE to see the Compaq RAM. > E > Please help if you can. I do need the 1.5GB ram for my simulations.d >  > Kind regards,o > Petros > ---  > Petros Dafniotis, PhD  > pdafniotis@yahoo.com   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2002 08:35:17 -0700; From: JNCHAMBL@TEXASCHILDRENSHOSPITAL.ORG (Jesse Chambless)P? Subject: Re: XP1000 does not recognize Compaq memory in  Bank 1e= Message-ID: <764ccbac.0204240735.3cc60467@posting.google.com>e  D I have looked at the instructions for my XP900.  Viewing inside from< the front, it appears that the banks are aligned as follows:  E Bank 0 is the left most, skip one and then the second part of bank 0.5  ( Bank 1 is the 2nd slot and the 4th slot.   Hope this helps.  r pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis) wrote in message news:<e54adf36.0204240004.5d5d8061@posting.google.com>... > Further on my post...uG > Having 4 Kingston (4x256MB) in Bank 0 and 4 Compaq (4x128) in Bank 1,r
 > I did a: >  > >>> sh mem > " > at the console prompt and I get: >  > 1024 MBytes of System Memory< > Bank          Size            Base Addr              Dimms< > ----         --------         ------------           -----; >    0          1024 MBytes     00000000               1111h; >    1             0 MBytes     00000000               1111t > @ > So it does see my Compaq Dimms but it does not find the RAM... > = > when it is booting it is interesting to note that it shows:O- > ED.E8.E7.E6.E5.E4.1024 MBytes System Memorye > Is this normal?  > E > BTW, firmware is at 5.9-1 which is the latest for XP-1000. Also the 6 > graphics card is the Powerstorm 350 card (32MB RAM). > ( > Thank you for any advise... Desperate, >  > Petros > ---r > Petros Dafniotis, PhDc > pdafniotis@yahoo.com >  >  > t > pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis) wrote in message news:<e54adf36.0204210943.665b6066@posting.google.com>...D > > I purchased two years ago a XP1000 with 512MB (4x128) in Bank 0. > > Q > > Now I purchased a Kingston approved 1GB (4x256). REASON: Swiss Francs 1200 vsDR > > Swiss francs 10,000 for Compaq RAM. I could not justify for the life of me the > > extra cost of Compaq RAM.e > > 5 > > I put Kingston in Bank1 with Compaq RAM in Bank 0t& > >    RESULT: 4 beeps from the system > > C > > I put Kingston in Bank0 alone and remove Compaq RAM completely.eN > >    RESULT; Boots ok recognizes extra RAM both in Console prompt and in VMS > > 5 > > I put Kingston in Bank 0 and Compaq RAM in Bank1."T > >    RESULT: I boot ok, but both Console and OpenVMS REFUSE to see the Compaq RAM. > > G > > Please help if you can. I do need the 1.5GB ram for my simulations.. > >  > > Kind regards,m
 > > Petros > > ---7 > > Petros Dafniotis, PhDe > > pdafniotis@yahoo.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.226 ************************