1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 29 Apr 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 236       Contents:& Re: (GCC) GNU C/C++ compiler for Alpha+ Re: Another Microsoft breaking of standards , Re: Anyone using CHARON-VAX for development?, Re: Anyone using CHARON-VAX for development? Re: Best DIGITAL product ever? Re: bugcheck...arrgh Can't edit a file  Re: Can't edit a file  Re: Can't edit a file  Re: Can't edit a file  Re: Can't edit a file  Re: closed user groups / x25 Re: closed user groups / x25 Compaq HPS times Re: Compaq HPS times. COPY/RCP fails to remote node (UCX4.2 VMS 7.1)& Re: DCL minute of the day: paint a Bug& Re: DCL minute of the day: paint a Bug Re: download VMS Re: download VMS Re: download VMS Re: download VMS Re: EDT or EVE exceed escape characters  Re: Fix for EDT emulation in EVE HELP Re: help installing OpenVMS 7.2  Re: help installing OpenVMS 7.2 / Re: Itanium 2 hits ... Itanium 3 will be Alpha!  Re: Itanium troubles lpr to VMS "print command" lpr to VMS "print command" lpr to VMS "print command" Re: lpr to VMS "print command"  Re: MAIL on VMS and attachments.? Re: markup vs wysiwyg (was: Re: learning how to use a computer) ? Re: markup vs wysiwyg (was: Re: learning how to use a computer)  Re: Netscape and Mozilla Re: Network Delay? OpenVMS downloads ?  OpenVMS downloads ?  Re: OpenVMS downloads ?  Re: OpenVMS downloads ?  Re: OpenVMS downloads ?  OT Bobby Vinton  Re: OT Bobby Vinton  Re: OT Bobby Vinton 
 Re: PC Worker   Problem reading file in DEC C...> Re: Problems changing the "remote password" on a DECserver 90MP Re: put up or shut up (was: RE: AMD To Announce Microsoft Support For New Chip FP Re: put up or shut up (was: RE: AMD To Announce Microsoft Support For New Chip FP Re: put up or shut up (was: RE: AMD To Announce Microsoft Support For New Chip F Re: Reading a file in java Register domains at only $14.50 ( removing extra carriage return/line feed, RE: removing extra carriage return/line feed, Re: removing extra carriage return/line feed> Re: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?!> Re: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?!& UK/EU OpenVMS job market: non-existant* Re: UK/EU OpenVMS job market: non-existant& Re: VAX decommissioning/secure HD wipe& VAXstation 4000 90 and serial console?& VAXstation 4000 90 and serial console?* Re: VAXstation 4000 90 and serial console?* Re: VAXstation 4000 90 and serial console?' Re: What does "affordable" mean to you? 
 RE: X session  Re: [java] running detached   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 09:00:45 -0700: From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry)/ Subject: Re: (GCC) GNU C/C++ compiler for Alpha = Message-ID: <7f15589f.0204290800.7ac3fed4@posting.google.com>   { "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com> wrote in message news:<hi%y8.62030$o66.188110@news-server.bigpond.net.au>... N > GCC and other great tools can be found in the "GNV - GNU's Not VMS" package," > at  http://gnv.sourceforge.net/.  C But there are no GNU compilers in that package, at least not that I E can see.  The GCC tool is just a wrapper that actually uses Compaq C.    L > You may also be interested in the related product for porting UNIX apps toH > OpenVMS.  It is called the OpenVMS Porting Library, and is located at: > A > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/porting.html    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 10:10:47 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: Another Microsoft breaking of standards3 Message-ID: <UdGNgmfN27Li@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3CC48828.E75C25AA@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:
 > quick note:  > M > I have noticed that more and more web sites now serve their contents with a M > charset "windows-1252" instead of the expected iso latin 1 one  iso-8859-1.   G    IMHO, that's an improvement over serving contents which  are labeled @    iso latin 1, but are really assuming Microsoft modifications.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 09:38:18 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Anyone using CHARON-VAX for development? 3 Message-ID: <4bWYkhe24J$m@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3CBE9694.14467.11B3B1BD@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:- > On 18 Apr 2002, at 8:03, Bob Koehler wrote:  > G > I'd be really surprised if XDELTA couldn't be used to debug a device  	 > driver.  >   C    Poking a HALT in is convenient if you forgot to boot your 11/780 8    with XDELTA.  I've seen others poke in a BRB to self.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:19:39 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> 5 Subject: Re: Anyone using CHARON-VAX for development? & Message-ID: <3CCD648B.2040901@iee.org>   Bob Koehler wrote:  E >    Poking a HALT in is convenient if you forgot to boot your 11/780 : >    with XDELTA.  I've seen others poke in a BRB to self.     I don't have the context of the ! rest of the thread, but XDELTA is  dynamically loadable. One of! the DECnet debug tools can do it.      Antonio    --     --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 09:18:15 -0700) From: gary.morin@emergis.com (Gary Morin) ' Subject: Re: Best DIGITAL product ever? = Message-ID: <4f886957.0204290818.283d6cad@posting.google.com>   # Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote in message   E > Someone sad that DTR-11 was the most overlayed image to ever run on B > the PDP/RSX. I used it on a 11/84 to produce a number of reports5 > from mostly sequentional files. Realy nice product.   C In a similar vein, a DECnet staffer told me once that the defintive F test for any transport was, will it correctly send the VAX Basic exe? ? He said it has the nastiest combinations of strings and control ( characters of anything known to mankind.  	   -- Gary    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:30:29 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: bugcheck...arrgh ) Message-ID: <3CCCF695.2156F524@127.0.0.1>    Neal Hatchman wrote:L > Our system is setup as two clusters, each with a quorum of 2 machines. OneI > cluster + satellites boots fine, the other we are encountering problems J > with. The core cluster servers boot fine. Disks, especially system disksK > appear to be mounted succesfully. The MSCP System parameters are setup to ; > reflect that MSCP should be loaded and serving all disks.  > F > Upon attempts to MOP boot the satellites, we encounter a bugcheck on > 'Connecting to MSCP server'.    E Lack of information here, you're dealing with VMS, not some operating 7 system that doesn't even tell you why it blue screened.   > What is the bugcheck code? CNXMGRERR? CLUEXIT? something else?  H What version of VMS? Are you up to date with patches? Has it ever worked3 or only just started failing. Has anything changed?   E Also be very careful using the word quorum. Quorum is calculated from E the available votes (expected_votes or sum of all votes, whichever is E greater) with a neat calculation clearly stated in the documentation.   @ If you have two voting nodes with 1 vote each, your quorum is 2.  D You can have three voting nodes with one vote each and the quorum is still 2. --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:06:15 +0900 & From: "David Lee" <phongle@kornet.net> Subject: Can't edit a file+ Message-ID: <aajc1i$nu9$1@news1.kornet.net>   F Why can't I invoke any of the editor.  I try to do the following on my  workstation with VMS 7.2 loaded.- from the command line, I issued the following  $edit/edt login.com  or $edit/tpu login.com  But I kept getting this message   < %DCL-W-IOV...  check validity, spelling, misplacement \edit\  - What does that mean?  Am I missing something?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:04:19 +0100 * From: "Rainer Giese" <giese@volkswerft.de> Subject: Re: Can't edit a file5 Message-ID: <aajgck$ba5tl$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>   / > What does that mean?  Am I missing something?   K It looks like the command EDIT is bent by a symbol. Try SHOW SYMBOL ED*  to  find out to what.    > %DCL-W-IOV...   F Btw., you don't should shorten error messages here, the last string is
 important.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:13:47 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)  Subject: Re: Can't edit a file: Message-ID: <fGbz8.11863$Q42.500101@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  % David Lee (phongle@kornet.net) wrote: H : Why can't I invoke any of the editor.  I try to do the following on my" : workstation with VMS 7.2 loaded./ : from the command line, I issued the following  : $edit/edt login.com  : or : $edit/tpu login.com ! : But I kept getting this message  : > : %DCL-W-IOV...  check validity, spelling, misplacement \edit\ : / : What does that mean?  Am I missing something?  : D Perhaps someone has defined an 'edit' symbol.  What do you get when " you execute a "show symbol edit" ?  9 If there's no 'edit' symbol defined, you should get this:       $ show symbol edit @    %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling    H --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edu  (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:29:27 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com Subject: Re: Can't edit a file: Message-ID: <OF936ED122.CEF5AD36-ON00256BAA.0054FFC8@btyp>  J Or could someone have defined symbols for EDT and TPU to allow the user to5 simply choose? I think I've had this one in the past.    Steve S         E LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) on 04/29/2002 01:13:47 PM     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: K From:      LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie), 29 April 2002, 1:13             p.m.    Re: Can't edit a file     % David Lee (phongle@kornet.net) wrote: H : Why can't I invoke any of the editor.  I try to do the following on my" : workstation with VMS 7.2 loaded./ : from the command line, I issued the following  : $edit/edt login.com  : or : $edit/tpu login.com ! : But I kept getting this message  : > : %DCL-W-IOV...  check validity, spelling, misplacement \edit\ : / : What does that mean?  Am I missing something?  : C Perhaps someone has defined an 'edit' symbol.  What do you get when " you execute a "show symbol edit" ?  9 If there's no 'edit' symbol defined, you should get this:       $ show symbol edit @    %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling    H --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edu  (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email           F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has G been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, $ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received K this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.   
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.   I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, D RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 10:33:27 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Re: Can't edit a file3 Message-ID: <eGUghgIAnUad@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <OF936ED122.CEF5AD36-ON00256BAA.0054FFC8@btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com writes:  > L > Or could someone have defined symbols for EDT and TPU to allow the user to7 > simply choose? I think I've had this one in the past.  > 	 > Steve S  >    	Yes.  I always have:    	$ tpu :== edit/tpu   ? 	just for some of the reasons brought up.  Too many sites have  # 	zaniness like this in SYLOGIN.COM:     	$ E*DIT == "EDIT/EDT"    	<NODE>$ edit/tpu junk.junk O %DCL-W-IVQUAL, unrecognized qualifier - check validity, spelling, and placement   \TPU\ <NODE>$ sh sym e*    E*DIT == "EDIT/EDT"   ) 	and of course $ TPU JUNK.JUNK will work.    			Rob   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:29:52 +0200 , From: "Andreas Bohn" <abohn@rzb-hamburg.com>% Subject: Re: closed user groups / x25 6 Message-ID: <1020072591.748025@rzbgw1.rzb-hamburg.com>   Thanks a lot for your efforts.C Actually the CUG does exist but your hint kept me from testing with I non-configured CUGs. I still can't establish the connection but I get the J OPCOM message "Remote Reject" what makes me think the problem is either on/ the provider's or on the remote partner's side.    Regards, Andreas   < "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag  news:3CC9D142.1080902@iee.org... > Andreas Bohn wrote:  > ( > > OpenVMS AXP V7.0, DecNet/OSI Phase V >  > = > V7? Living dangerously aren't we (especially on Alpha IIRC)  > E > > trying to configure "closed user groups" I experience the problem  that -asE > > soon as I use the 'closed_user_group' qualifier the PAD announces K > > "PAD-F-NOLINES, no lines are available for the call"- no matter whether  I > > > specify a CUG and no matter what host I try to connect to. >  > , > Do you have any CUGs defined? If you don't, > have a suitable CUG in existence, then the+ > software will not even be able to try the & > call. If the CUG has been configured- > within the X.25 software but does not match - > a CUG provided by your X.25 connection, the  > call should get dropped. > > > > Every attempt like  set host <dte> /x29 /closed[=cug_name]J > > fails with the same error message while (the same) connections without the 2 > > closed qualifier are successfully established. >  >  > . > Assuming you have configured the appropriate( > CUG, try tracing the call. This should0 > tell you whether the attempt is being rejected) > by the X.25 software (e.g. because of a * > misconfiguration) or whether the network0 > (or even the other end) is rejecting the call. >  > * > You may also wish to llok at the various( > OPCOM messages ... they contain a host > of useful information. > 	 > Antonio  >  >  >  >  > -- >  > --------------- / > Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:15:02 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> % Subject: Re: closed user groups / x25 & Message-ID: <3CCD6376.9000706@iee.org>   Andreas Bohn wrote:     > Thanks a lot for your efforts.E > Actually the CUG does exist but your hint kept me from testing with K > non-configured CUGs. I still can't establish the connection but I get the L > OPCOM message "Remote Reject" what makes me think the problem is either on1 > the provider's or on the remote partner's side.     ( That message almost certainly means that( the other end rejected you. If the other# end is a DEC X.25 system (PSI, X.25 & on either OpenVMS Alpha or Tru64, or a( DECnis or an X.25 Gateway) then incoming' calls specifying a CUG will be rejected ( if an appropriate CUG is not configured.    + On the side that attempts to make the call,   ) try a trace of "X25L3 DTE *" (it's been a  while and I don't have a manual ) handy ... so you may have to check that). & You should see your attempted CALL and! a returned CALLR. The CALLR might % be from the network or from the other $ end. If you have access to the other% end, and it is a DEC box, you can try ! OPCOM or trace and you should see $ the corresponding CALL. If you don't$ see that, it is very likely that the" network is refusing to accept your# call attempt. If you happen to have ) the X.25 recommendations to hand - or you # post the trace output - it might be % possible to decode the reject reason. & In fact, if you post the OPCOM output, it's quite possibly in there.     ' An obscure possibility is that you havee! subscribed to a Bilateral CUG but & have not configured as a Bilateral CUG. (or vice versa) or the other end may have made
 that mistake.C   Antonioo       -- n   ---------------g- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgp   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:31:53 GMTf# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>' Subject: Compaq HPS timesd> Message-ID: <JHdz8.127744$nc.18243036@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  K I just got an e-mail touting  the new Compaq HPS (High Performance Systems)UI Times.  This will replace the OpenVMS Times, and the Tru64 times and willh include information on Linux.d  K I guess it is time to pull out that microscope to start looking for mentioneK of VMS again, just in case they remember to put in an obligatory mention ofl our favorite OS.   Sue, where are you?n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:57:26 +0200u9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>" Subject: Re: Compaq HPS timese' Message-ID: <3CCD6D66.3B4B16C3@aaa.com>    Well, lets see now.e  : "OpenVMS" is mentioned on all pages but 4 (9,16,18 and 19)? "Tru64" is mentioned on all pages but 7 (2,7,8,10,12,17 and 19)   = The string "OpenVMS" can be found 86 times through the paper. ) The string "Tru64" can be found 36 times.o  : (The string "Windows" can be found 8 and "Linux" 7 times.)  3 So, in statistical terms, it desn't look to bad :-)o   Jan-Erik Sderholm.b   "John N." wrote: > M > I just got an e-mail touting  the new Compaq HPS (High Performance Systems)pK > Times.  This will replace the OpenVMS Times, and the Tru64 times and willu > include information on Linux.A > M > I guess it is time to pull out that microscope to start looking for mentionnM > of VMS again, just in case they remember to put in an obligatory mention ofm > our favorite OS. >  > Sue, where are you?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:33:13 +0100e- From: "Simon Brown" <simonb@colourcare.co.uk>f7 Subject: COPY/RCP fails to remote node (UCX4.2 VMS 7.1)h( Message-ID: <3ccd5370$1@news.star.co.uk>  A Attempting to use COPY/RCP command to copy file to remote network  using UCX4.2
 command like;   4 copy /rcp login.com host22::users:[brown]login10.com   fails on local node with >>45 INTERnet ACP AUXS failure  Status = %LOGIN-F-NOTVALIDs  , On remote node I get an OPCOM message saying$ Message from user INTERnet on HOST22C INTERnet ACP REXEC Accept Request from Host: 10.10.1.1        Port:- 1738   UCX>8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  29-APR-2002 13:38:44.32  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on HOST22B Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on HOST22, system id: 1524 / Auditable event:          Network login failuref1 Event time:               29-APR-2002 13:38:44.31." PID:                      0000FAE6) Process name:             UCX$REXE_BG2590r Username:                 .." Process owner:            [SYSTEM] Image name:s1 HOST22$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXEt? Status:                   %LOGIN-F-NOTVALID, user authorizationt failure   ! Notice the User name is garbage ?pD Also if I specify the username with /USER=BROWN I get the exact same	 response.   D I wanted to use this approach to move from DECNET to TCPIP as I haveC 100s jobs to change which are already COPY type commands and also Io? believe it keeps the VMS file attributes whereas RCP changes to- STREAM.a   Any Ideas anyone ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:34:07 +0100h( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>/ Subject: Re: DCL minute of the day: paint a Bug ) Message-ID: <3CCCF76F.1A314790@127.0.0.1>,   JF Mezei wrote:s >  > Didier Morandi wrote:  > >c1 > > Your best drawing of a Bug, in one line only?e > 
 > _microsoft_h  * Since when has microsoft had just one bug?  4 (Perhaps you mean it in the same way sheep = sheep?) -- I( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 07:12:31 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: DCL minute of the day: paint a Bug.= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0204290612.738653e2@posting.google.com>v  Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3CCCF76F.1A314790@127.0.0.1>...7 > JF Mezei wrote:> > >  > > Didier Morandi wrote:. > > >i3 > > > Your best drawing of a Bug, in one line only?  > >  > > _microsoft_p > , > Since when has microsoft had just one bug? > 6 > (Perhaps you mean it in the same way sheep = sheep?)    1 I think the point is that _microsoft_ *is* a bug.e   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman-" afeldman atski gfigroup dotski com   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:05:54 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s Subject: Re: download VMSe; Message-ID: <01KH4VM73S8Y8ZG5L9@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e   > YES .u >  > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  > C > Seriously, there are big advantages to making the hobbyists easly J > acquire the latest and greatest. Consider that many are employed by someD > of the few remaining VMS customers who have large mission criticalH > systems. Those employers would greatly appreciate having employees whoC > have already test driven the latest version of VMS at home beforer > installing it at the office. M  D I suspect that most such customers get the CDs automatically anyway.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:27:37 -0400s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: download VMS J Message-ID: <rdeininger-2904020727370001@1cust81.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  K In article <aah6jg$126$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:t     >oL >A non-random-access , non-ODS device like for instance a TK50 or other tapeL >device which were the standard way to Install VMS before the widespread use >of CDs ????  H Yup, on Vax only.  Boot standalone backup from a tape, restore a savesetE to disk, and boot the disk a few times with increasingly complete VMS 
 environments.2  H But alpha doesn't have tape boot support, and PSCI kits don't use backup	 savesets.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:08:12 GMTq1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)o Subject: Re: download VMSn: Message-ID: <0Bbz8.11862$Q42.500101@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote: : "David J. Dachtera" wrote:I : > Provided those beginners have high-bandwidth links to the 'net. As ofdJ : > the last statistics I saw, broadband access is still extremely limited- : > (less than 12% total market penetration).v : @ : Market penetration for broadband is higher in other countries. : L : In the USA, large company's misunderstanding of the internet which lead toN : such silliness as the AOL-Time-Warner merger and more importantly the mergerI : of excite and @HOME resulting in the bankrupcy of @HOME would not have i : helped broadband at all. :  : [snip]  ,    http://news.com.com/2100-1033-276898.html:    Report: Broadband home use jumps - Tech News - CNET.com      By Alorie Gilbert r    Staff Writer, CNET News.com     December 11, 2001, 3:35 PM PT  I    The number of people using high-speed Internet connections to surf the D    Web from their homes has surged this year, according to data from    Nielsen/NetRatings.    sH   "More than 21 million people used broadband Internet services, such asH    cable modem and DSL (digital subscriber line), from home in November,H    according to the report. That means one in five people online at homeE    have a broadband connection, a 90 percent jump from November 2000.e    oH    This "explosive" growth is largely the result of savvy packaging fromI    DSL and cable-modem providers that bundle cable and long-distance witheI    broadband services, said T.S. Kelly, director and principal analyst atcF    Nielsen/NetRatings. Kelly also cited a general increase in InternetB    use since the Sept. 11 attacks as people cut back on travel and"    entertainment outside the home.    >D    While more people may be using broadband connections at home, theB    actual number of broadband accounts is only about half that--anG    estimated 10.7 million residential subscriptions, according to Imran G    Khan, a senior analyst at The Yankee Group. The difference points todG    each subscription being used by more than one person, Khan said...."-    -A The defection from broadband is also on the rise, possibly due toE the DOT.COM Bomb....  ,    http://news.com.com/2100-1033-275432.html9    Broadband defectors on the rise - Tech News - CNET.com>      By John Borland    Staff Writer, CNET News.com    November 7, 2001, 4:00 AM PTt  I   "Katy Ling, a software consultant who had her home wired for high-speedcD    Internet access last year, did what many technology analysts said3    would never happen: She bailed out of broadband.g  B    The San Francisco resident subscribed to Pacific Bell's digital@    subscriber line (DSL) service in 2000, mainly because she wasI    telecommuting for work at a San Diego-based start-up. She also used it F    to rent movies from Kozmo, buy airline tickets and check movie showB    times. But when she left her job, she decided that she couldn't&    justify the $50 monthly DSL fee..."    H --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edu  (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:38:52 +0000 (UTC)t From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: download VMSe+ Message-ID: <aajidc$o1i$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>4  g In article <3s2z8.73878$CH.11658@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> writes:t, ><david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message& >news:aah6jg$126$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk...I >> A non-random-access , non-ODS device like for instance a TK50 or otherC >tape J >> device which were the standard way to Install VMS before the widespread >use >> of CDs ???? >eL >True, but what was on that tape was essentially an image backup. StandaloneL >Backup was booted from a tape or diskettes and run to restore the distro to >the target disk.  >r
 >Mark Levy >SMA >I  A Since the standalone backup was itself booted from the TK50 tape iB (a non-random-access, non-ODS) device exactly what is your point ?  = I believe TK50 OS distributions have only just been stopped. m  B Note. This was in response to Robert Deineger's post which stated    "yC BOOTP is probably feasible.  Existing systems would need a firmwarefH upgrade (or sidegrade, depending on POV) to support BOOTP.  Once you canH load the initial boot loader, you can make it do whatever you want.  VMSE can already use multiple load devices during a single boot.  (VariousmI components have shipped using the 3rd-party boot mechanism, but it is not  well known.)  C The hard part does not appear to be booting remotely using some newaH protocol.  Installing or upgrading VMS from a non-random-access, non-ODSG device would require an overhaul of the current installation mechanism, I and that is NOT simple.  Again, what does the user community want to gives! up to allow this work to be done?h "t  K All I'm saying is that the "hard part" actually appears to be the easy partrI since it's been done in the past with non-random-access devices ie tapes.c  N Why on earth you should need a random-access ODS device for an OS installationN or upgrade is beyond me. As the past VMSINSTAL TK50 installs and upgrades showH all you need is sequential access to a number of files which includes a M driving script (kitinstal) and the files to be installed in various savesets.     L We have a few older alpha systems which never had inbuilt CD drives which inJ the past we have upgraded from our infoserver. However that option appears> to be going away. Hence a TCPIP based option would be welcome.J Since we don't have too many such systems we can probably get around it byI pinching a CD drive from the infoserver and attaching it directly to eachrJ system to be upgraded one at a time. However others may have more systems.  L Even without BOOTP being able to do an OS upgrade by simply ftping down someK savesets into a directory and running an upgrade procedure would be useful. M This obviously wouldn't work for an initial install since you need a running  I system to ftp down the savesets and somewhere to put them which won't be g# destroyed by initialising the disk.l      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:22:42 +0200-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>s Subject: Re: EDT or EVE.) Message-ID: <3CCD5732.EBAD8B01@gtech.com>    Sandeep Yelwatkar wrote:H >     I am new to the OpenVMS system. Just wondering which is the better9 > editor EVE or EDT. Would like to know your suggesstion.   = Unless you have very limited CPU and memory ressources or for - some reason needs line mode, then go for EVE.k   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 08:01:49 -0700' From: nikki_wire@yahoo.com (nikki_wire)o! Subject: exceed escape characterse= Message-ID: <60fdd9c9.0204290701.54440b9a@posting.google.com>o  E does anyone know how to use escape characters when using the terminaliD emulator "exceed"? (CTRL V then 3 doesn't seem to work in TPU editorD nor does CTRL 3 then 3 from EDT) I'm guessing I may need to change aA setting in exceed. I'm running 6.2.0 of Hummingbird exceed and amn connecting over telnet. Thanks!s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:26:21 +0200 , From: "Nico van der Boom" <njvdboom@caiw.nl>) Subject: Re: Fix for EDT emulation in EVEd4 Message-ID: <3ccd105e$0$229$4d4ebb8e@news.nl.uu.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3CCC29A7.9416D4D7@fsi.net...2 > "David A. Cantor" wrote: > >  <snip>H > By any chance, have you some tips on how to convert EDT's "DEFINE KEY"6 > commands (line mode, as found in EDTINI.EDT) to TPU?   add them in EVE$INIT.EVE ?     --   CU,l Nico van der Boomt   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 07:35:22 -0700# From: ser06903@yahoo.com (SER06903)f
 Subject: HELPo< Message-ID: <ba4d6e9.0204290635.78e66b7e@posting.google.com>  J Does anyone know the status of the SEC investigation on accounting issues?   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:37:16 +0000 (UTC)c From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk( Subject: Re: help installing OpenVMS 7.2+ Message-ID: <aajb9c$l1g$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>u  Y In article <hlXy8.12959$r5.4603081@news1.epix.net>, "Joe Schmoe" <joe@schmoe.com> writes:nD >Total OpenVMS newbie here.... installing it for the first time on a> >VAXstation 4000 VLC.  Upon booting from the cdrom i get this: > 0 >PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM) >  >2% >I enter the date and time like this:r >  >28-004-2002 14:36 >  > 8 >When i hit return after that, I get this error message: >  >invalid date/time >r >tL >I've spent the last two hours trying just about every way to enter the date' >to no avail.  Can someone please help?e >  >Thank you,  >n >Bradley D. Walter >   3 MMM means the 3 letter abreviation of the month ie     JANt FEBa MARm APRe MAYl JUNn JULt AUG  SEP  OCTe NOVd DEC    eg 28-APR-2002    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:06:19 +0100e( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>( Subject: Re: help installing OpenVMS 7.2) Message-ID: <3CCD373B.EF98B86F@127.0.0.1>    Joe Schmoe wrote:  > 1 > PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM)h > & > I enter the date and time like this: >  > 28-004-2002 14:36n > 9 > When i hit return after that, I get this error message:e >  > invalid date/times  > BTW, don't try to put two spaces between the date and time, as illustrated in the question!   -- o( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:04:14 +0100 T From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com>8 Subject: Re: Itanium 2 hits ... Itanium 3 will be Alpha!& Message-ID: <3CCD44CE.1020203@sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:s  T > mustang@ucc.asn.au.invalid wrote in message news:<aaaj4f$eht$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au>... > + >>Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:mF >>: I told you J.F. and Bill "the genius" Todd that Alpha will show upJ >>: not to far down the road ... no doubt Itanium 3 will be the beginnings >>: of Alpha EV8!, >>  >>Bob, kindly get over yourself.C >>If you want to poke fun at these two gentlemen, do it via e-mail.J >> >>D. >> > 2 > if you can't take it, then don't dish it out ...    = He wasn't taking anything he was suggesting that you continue  this "discussion" offline.  : Incedentally the best time for a visit to Hyde Park Corner: is Sunday morning, choose a nice day its outside and bring9 something that you can stand on. Step ladder, soap box ife" you are a bit of a traditionalist.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Apr 2002 11:21:47 GMT& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Itanium troublesl- Message-ID: <aajacb$bgc@web.eng.baileynm.com>e  ' In article <3CCCB229.1AA576E6@fsi.net>, 0 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > Peter da Silva wrote:,+ > > In article <3CCA2060.38880C49@fsi.net>, 4 > > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:K > > > Even so, you still need to ask yourself: Would FreeBSD be where it is6? > > > today had it not made certain concessions to "usability"?m  G > > Why do you phrase that in terms that imply improving usability is ad > > "concession"?.  
 > Because:   [snip]  J I'm sorry, but I must be missing something. Would you mind explaining yourE reasoning a little more explicitly... reading that post a second time * doesn't do anything to clarify your point.   --  O I've seen things you people can't imagine. Chimneysweeps on fire over the roofsuO of London. I've watched kite-strings glitter in the sun at Hyde Park Gate.  All L these things will be lost in time, like chalk-paintings in the rain.   `-_-'K Time for your nap.  | Peter da Silva | Har du kramat din varg, idag?    'U`j   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:23:29 -0500$+ From: "Larry Saletzki" <wa9vrh@ocslink.com>R# Subject: lpr to VMS "print command"w, Message-ID: <3ccd4507_4@corp.newsgroups.com>  G Hi all, I am trying to find the VMS print command that would mirror the4 following lpr command.  0 lpr -P queuename  -C"(lcdsformat=tape)"  jobname  : the -C is the job classification for use on the burst page  5 Anyone have any thoughts?   Thanks in advance!  Larry1        > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!y> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:23:29 -0500 + From: "Larry Saletzki" <wa9vrh@ocslink.com> # Subject: lpr to VMS "print command" . Message-ID: <3ccd45aa$1_1@corp.newsgroups.com>  G Hi all, I am trying to find the VMS print command that would mirror the2 following lpr command.  0 lpr -P queuename  -C"(lcdsformat=tape)"  jobname  : the -C is the job classification for use on the burst page  5 Anyone have any thoughts?   Thanks in advance!  Larry         > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!h> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:26:13 -0500o+ From: "Larry Saletzki" <wa9vrh@ocslink.com>e# Subject: lpr to VMS "print command"r. Message-ID: <3ccd45ab$1_1@corp.newsgroups.com>  G Hi all, I am trying to find the VMS print command that would mirror the7 following lpr command.  0 lpr -P queuename  -C"(lcdsformat=tape)"  jobname  : the -C is the job classification for use on the burst page  - The system is an Alpha running Open VMS v.7.3P  5 Anyone have any thoughts?   Thanks in advance!  Larry             > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!P> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:58:20 -0700.+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>.' Subject: Re: lpr to VMS "print command"4' Message-ID: <3CCD6D9C.1090509@mmaz.com>    Larry Saletzki wrote:o  H >Hi all, I am trying to find the VMS print command that would mirror the >following lpr command.c >h1 >lpr -P queuename  -C"(lcdsformat=tape)"  jobnamey >m; >the -C is the job classification for use on the burst page  >t8 PRINT /QUE=queuename /NOTE="(lcdsformat=tape)"   jobname  H presuming that the jobname is the actual file you wish to direct to the ! printer queue known as queuename.5   Regards,   Barry      >  >b. >The system is an Alpha running Open VMS v.7.3 >R6 >Anyone have any thoughts?   Thanks in advance!  Larry >u >h >o >e >m > ? >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----eB >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!? >-----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----f >r >i   -- S  @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:55:08 +0200f9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t) Subject: Re: MAIL on VMS and attachments.-' Message-ID: <3CCCEE4B.72122C21@aaa.com>3   Yes.5 With VMS 7.x (I think dot-2) there is a MIME utility.u2 SYS$SYSTEM:MIME.EXE. See the Release Notes and the8 New Featurs manuals for 7.2. Porsonaly I don't like this: tool, it to much depends on beeing run from an interactive9 terminal session and it's a pain to use in batch scripts.i  4 There are a few 3-part freeware tools to create MIME9 formatted mails. The one I'v been using is MPACK/MUNPACK. 8 Easy to use and works equaly well in interactive mode as	 in batch.,  ; MPACK will give you a MIME encoded (text-) file. To be able : to send this file, you have to use some tool to bypass theE standard VMSmail API/interface. I use NBL ("No Blank Line") which you ; can find here : "http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/nbl/".:    = An simple COM file using MPACK and NBL could look like this :j   The symbols are :n/ zip_file    : File specification of a ZIP file.t4 data_file   : File specification of a datafile to be"               ZIP'ed and attached.7 drec_subj   : Text symbol with the subject of the mail.t. msg_file    : The plain text part of the mail.) mime_file   : The output file from MPACK.t? drec_addr   : The email address in "user@something.com" format.p  " $   zip -jl 'zip_file' 'data_file'C $   mpack -s "''drec_subj'" -d 'msg_file' -o 'mime_file' 'zip_file'o+ $   mail 'mime_file' "nbl%""''drec_addr'"""s  6 This is a copy from a live 24*7*365 production system.. (I'v just stripped out some error handling...)    9 Another quick-n-dirty method to send a attachement, is to > use SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$UUENCODE.EXE to produce a UUencoded file.> Most mail clients with decode this just OK, but it's not MIME.  ; Note, you can also easily unpack mails sent from PC clients17 containing attatchments using MUNPACK. I use DELIVER tos> trigger a COM file whenever a mail arrives, MUNPACK to extractB the attachements (always a ZIP file in my case) and then UNZIP and process the data file.  E So, the short answer would be, yes!, you *can* send attachements froma VMS !(   Jan-Erik Sderholm.)   PS.h= No, I will not mention the MAIL/FOREIGN method, since this is ; strictly VMS-to-VMS, and today, most integration issues are  VMS-to-something-else. DS.        "Leigh G. Bowden" wrote: > 5 > Does VMS mail have the ability to send attachments?D > N > I distinctly remember sending a "binary" with VMS one time many years ago or > did I just imagine it?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:03:15 GMTi, From: "Bob Knowles" <bob.knowles@compaq.com>H Subject: Re: markup vs wysiwyg (was: Re: learning how to use a computer)7 Message-ID: <n%7z8.9$ZL.186519@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>n  D And a bit more history: DEC (specifically CUP Engineering, now sadlyK defunct) was part of the drive to get SGML adopted as a standard by ISO. AtrF what was thought to be the last hurdle, there was a delay (some of theJ reviewers decided on a change that turned out to be more far-reaching than7 they thought), and the schedule slipped by over a year.o  F DEC meanwhile had been tracking the emerging standard and developing aL product so as to be first to market with an SGML product. When the technicalG reps on the review committee announced the delay, management said 'BlowcI this, let's get out there and make some money'. What was released was VAX & DOCUMENT, with its file format S_D_ML.  I Of course, SGML (by the time ISO OKd it) was widely different in the end.d   br    J "Jim Mehl" <mehl@ihot.com> wrote in message news:3cc95db8@news.ihot.com...I > > markup derivative happens to be that one of the guys that added it tonC > > script in the very early '70s had a last name that started withaF > > M. script had been developed in the mid-60s and was something of aG > > "dot" command derivative (like runoff). G, M, & L then came up withdH > > this other structure and added it to script as an alternative to theJ > > dot command stuff. Generalized Markup Language ...  came about becauseF > > of their initials G, M, & L. GML evolved into ISO standard as SGMLF > > (standard) in the late '70s (and then later things like HTML, XML,I > > etc) . Script, GML, SGML at the Cambrigdge Science Center, 4th floor,i > > 545 tech sq. >aD > Right, Lynn. GML came from Charles Goldfarb, Ed Mosher and RaymondB > Lorie. Hence the GML. Of course Raymond went on to do some great$ > things with relational data bases.
 > Jim Mehl >A >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:38:40 GMT + From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>sH Subject: Re: markup vs wysiwyg (was: Re: learning how to use a computer)) Message-ID: <u1ycytszw.fsf@earthlink.net>a  . "Bob Knowles" <bob.knowles@compaq.com> writes:F > And a bit more history: DEC (specifically CUP Engineering, now sadlyM > defunct) was part of the drive to get SGML adopted as a standard by ISO. At5H > what was thought to be the last hurdle, there was a delay (some of theL > reviewers decided on a change that turned out to be more far-reaching than9 > they thought), and the schedule slipped by over a year.   C i believe one of the players that pushed hard to turn GML into SGMLwC standard was the federal government & some guy that coined the terme COTS.n  E various gov. documents are really complex and they wanted some way ofSE transitioning to online. later when i was doing some due diligence onm= tymshare for the m/d purchase ... one of the systems (besidesu@ gnosis/keykos) was engelbart's augment ... which had some really@ complex online gov. documents (i believe RFP responses) that hadB really complex hyperlink structures (running on a tymshare tops-10F system).  there was also a cord keyboard that was in use with augment.   misc. augment posts:J http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000g.html#22 No more innovation?  Get seriousA http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000g.html#26 Who Owns the HyperLink?r= http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000g.html#31 stupid user storiesi   -- tH Anne & Lynn Wheeler   | lynn@garlic.com -  http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:15:44 GMTl* From: John Reagan <john.reagan@compaq.com>! Subject: Re: Netscape and Mozillai) Message-ID: <3CCD6271.9020106@compaq.com>a  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:L  > subject to correction from somebody who knows something - that the reasonQ > Mozilla (and the commercial Netscapes  derived from it) is such a memory hog issP > that it was decided at a strategic level to use the platform-independent GeckoL > rendering engine so Mozilla would look the same everywhere, and that Gecko# > chews up an awful lot of  memory.t >   F I haven't tried Mozilla on a Windows box, but I've used Mozilla on my I Macintosh at home.  It doesn't require 230MB of memory there.  I think I mI gave it a partition of 64MB and it was quite happy (I haven't used it in e* months since IE5.1 came out for Mac OS 9).     -- f John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leaderm   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 00:44:08 -0700 From: wingwong@witty.com (wing)k Subject: Re: Network Delay? = Message-ID: <873e96d6.0204282344.52139856@posting.google.com>-  L > Your write() call returns an error?  What is the error?  Is that the cause/ > of the delays you are seeing at the receiver. E I have added some logic to print the errno, and it is EWOULDBLOCK.  I @ have checked the Compaq Sockets API and System Services Manual. 0 EWOULDBLOCK returned with ::write() calls means,  D The NBIO(nonblocking) flag is set for the socket descriptor, and the. process is delayed during the write operation.  E I am a bit confused of this statement, "the process is delayed during-D the write operation".  Is the process is paused just as use blocking1 socket and the waiting the recieve read the data?e  8 Moreover, what is the cause of this error (EWOULDBLOCK)?  F Also, I have tried "$ netstat -p tcp".  But, the command is not found.F %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling
  \NETSTAT\   Thanks,f   Wing  { "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com> wrote in message news:<j7%y8.62019$o66.187957@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...t1 > You have not given much information to go on...e > L > Your write() call returns an error?  What is the error?  Is that the cause/ > of the delays you are seeing at the receiver.g > L > If you suspect unusual network delays then start using ping and tracerouteL > to observe your times.  Are you seeing any packet loss? Try: "$ netstat -pH > tcp".  To see the counters of the LAN driver use "$ mcr lancp show dev > ewa0/count". > ) > When was the last time you ran autogen?n >  > Matt.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:26:27 GMT * From: "Steve" <steve.hemond@cegeptr.qc.ca> Subject: OpenVMS downloads ?8 Message-ID: <nKcz8.8180$xv5.3161260@carnaval.risq.qc.ca>  	 Hi there,0  J Is there any URL where I can find and download an OpenVMS operating system (no matter the version) ?i   Tnx in advance,-   Steve-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:39:02 GMTi* From: "Steve" <steve.hemond@cegeptr.qc.ca> Subject: OpenVMS downloads ?8 Message-ID: <aWcz8.8181$xv5.3164734@carnaval.risq.qc.ca>  	 Hi there,1  L Is there any URL where we can d/l OpenVMS operating systems ? (no matter the version)   Tnx in advance   Stevet   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 14:50:46 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS downloads ?5 Message-ID: <20020429145046.1800.qmail@gacracker.org>   @ On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, "Steve" <steve.hemond@cegeptr.qc.ca> wrote:
 >Hi there, > M >Is there any URL where we can d/l OpenVMS operating systems ? (no matter thet	 >version)  >n >Tnx in advancee >e >Steve   No.u  G There is a thread discussing that very subject running in the newsgroup  just now. Didn't you see it?     Doc. -- U6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:45:53 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>g  Subject: Re: OpenVMS downloads ?) Message-ID: <3CCD5CA1.6A74B5AF@gtech.com>    Steve wrote:L > Is there any URL where I can find and download an OpenVMS operating system > (no matter the version) ?3   I do not think so.  7 But you can order a hobbyist kit for very little money.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:51:17 -0400t1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>C  Subject: Re: OpenVMS downloads ?2 Message-ID: <3CCD6BF5.28D25041@firstdbasource.com>   Steve wrote: >  > Hi there,  > L > Is there any URL where I can find and download an OpenVMS operating system > (no matter the version) ?h >  > Tnx in advance,b >  > Steves   no.  -- 4 Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163i7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comu Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)i 704-236-4377 (Mobile)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:39:49 +0010f% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  Subject: OT Bobby Vinton5 Message-ID: <01KH5BI1VUNM0005TE@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   " I think I've got the credit right.   Bob Ceculski wrote:-> > I know something that can help you ... try listening to some > Bobby Vinton records ...  N This was a follow-up to speaking German or Polish.  My memory of that era has M foundered, because I do not understand what any of his songs have to do with ,O the other OT of speaking German or Polish.  Perhaps I'm think of Bobby Vee who a< if IIRC was almost as good an American guy as was Pat Boone.  M But then the 1960's were a long time ago and it's getting harder to remember 2 my twenties.   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:27:33 GMT@ From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGt Subject: Re: OT Bobby Vinton0 Message-ID: <00A0D2E8.86DA4748@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <01KH5BI1VUNM0005TE@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:r# >I think I've got the credit right.  >v >Bob Ceculski wrote:? >> I know something that can help you ... try listening to somet >> Bobby Vinton records ...  >"O >This was a follow-up to speaking German or Polish.  My memory of that era has yN >foundered, because I do not understand what any of his songs have to do with P >the other OT of speaking German or Polish.  Perhaps I'm think of Bobby Vee who = >if IIRC was almost as good an American guy as was Pat Boone.c >iN >But then the 1960's were a long time ago and it's getting harder to remember 
 >my twenties.h >o >Regards, PaddyI  K Well Paddy, it's not your age.  What this discussion did/does prove is justnJ how far off-topic and stupid a comp.os.vms thread can devolve.  Of course,A as stupid threads on comp.os.vms go, it's got plenty of siblings.j  L Lately, I've come to believe that the OS in comp.os.vms stands for OFF-TOPIC SHIT!r   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM3            pJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbest   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 09:29:22 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: OT Bobby Vinton= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0204290829.1b97cb0b@posting.google.com>-  b paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote in message news:<01KH5BI1VUNM0005TE@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>...$ > I think I've got the credit right. >  > Bob Ceculski wrote:-@ > > I know something that can help you ... try listening to some > > Bobby Vinton records ... > P > This was a follow-up to speaking German or Polish.  My memory of that era has O > foundered, because I do not understand what any of his songs have to do with pQ > the other OT of speaking German or Polish.  Perhaps I'm think of Bobby Vee who  > > if IIRC was almost as good an American guy as was Pat Boone. > O > But then the 1960's were a long time ago and it's getting harder to remember e > my twenties. >  > Regards, Paddy   remember "My Melody of Love"?c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:54:06 -0400-5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>  Subject: Re: PC Worker, Message-ID: <aajqnh$ea01$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  ( system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message' <00A0D0A0.053EEE78@SendSpamHere.ORG>...>? >In article <aabp2d$8p5s$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge"m% <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:pK >>The "Pepsi Syndrome" was a spoof on SNL during Jimmy Carter's presidency.aL >>Where a cup of Pepsi is dumped on a KB of a nuclear reactor control...  ofG >>course, Jimmy was a nuclear engineer, and the spoof was pretty funny.  >- >PK >... and here I thought that the humor was that Jimmy Carter was president.c >-  J Jimmy Carter simply proved that while nice guys can finish first, there isJ apparently no room in Washington for morals.  The money machine chewed himJ up, and spit him out.  Making him one of the least effective Presidents in? recent history.  He was also burdened by the fruits of previous0I administrations - and got hit with the oil embargo, and Iran - neither ofeF which were of his making - nor did he have a lot of control over their5 outcomes (consipracy theorists can jump in there ;-).   I No, the funny thing is that Ronald Ray-guns will be considered one of theqB greatest US Presidents - and that *either* of the two George's got4 elected... well, I guess it's not *exactly* "funny".   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:46:58 -0600s% From: "Dave Rich" <drich@nucorar.com>3) Subject: Problem reading file in DEC C...n5 Message-ID: <aajiti$as1ll$1@ID-136223.news.dfncis.de>d  H Just looking for a suggestion as to what may or may not be causing this.  G I am opening a file on the box that simply has a list of process names.s   example:# PLCDV2 PLC Drive 2 Data Acquisition  PLCEXP PLC Data Export PROMGR Process Data Managers !!!     External Communicationsa NETEVT Network Events1 CHMRCV Chemistry Receiver  LMFRCV LMF Status Reveiver end example:  > The C code opens the file for reading, and reads each line in.C The line then gets parsed, and the processname gets inserted into a 	 database.   , The problem is on the last line of the file.6 It apparently gets read twice, maybe even three times.  ' code: *Comments removed per cheesy NDA*e   while(feof(input_file) == 0)   {I!     fgets(c_ptr, 80, input_file);d-     if(strncmp(c_ptr, cfgfile_delim, 1) != 0)n     {i@       for(search_position = 0; c_ptr[search_position] != '\0' &&1 c_ptr[search_position] != ' '; search_position++).       {I<         search_char = strchr(c_ptr, c_ptr[search_position]);       }i6       strncpy(trunc_procname, c_ptr, search_position);0       *(trunc_procname + search_position) = NUL;"       strcpy(sysprocname, subsys);K       strncat(sysprocname, trunc_procname, strlen(subsys)+search_position);c.       printf("Inserting %s:\n", &sysprocname);
  end code:  D When run, with the debugginf printf statement... the output is such:   Inserting CAS_RPTMAN:n Inserting CAS_CLNFIL:e Inserting CAS_CLNFILCLNFIL:a  > This is the end of the config file.. CLNFIL is the last entry.  A Any suggestions as to why the last value is getting read 3 times?h  # Any assistance greatly apperciated.p   Thanks   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 06:54:02 -0700/ From: jperison@mindspring.com (Joel A. Perison) G Subject: Re: Problems changing the "remote password" on a DECserver 90Mi= Message-ID: <7f004536.0204290554.66632a28@posting.google.com>r  _ "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<3CCAFB3B.1B82AD34@mchsi.com>... @ > > Rick - You should be able to set up your unit so that telnetI > > connections to port 20 are prompted ("#") for a password.  Here's thef) > > sequence of steps that worked for me:s > > G > > CHANGE SERVER REMOTE PASSWORD &#8220;password&#8221;    (default is  > > ACCESS)t  > > CHANGE PORT nn ACCESS REMOTE/ > > CHANGE TELNET LISTENER 20nn PORTS nn ENABLE 2 > > CHANGE TELNET LISTENER 20nn CONNECTIONS ENABLE) > > CHANGE PORT nn REMOTE PASSWORD ENABLEP > > LOGOUT PORT nn > > J > > The next time you connect to port nn, you should be prompted ("#") forB > > the REMOTE PASSWORD.  This should be whatever you typed in forI > > "password"...unless you are using my 90M, and then it would be ACCESSi > G > 	Can you confirm this when you telnet to the server's IP @ port 2020? L > Not telnet to the terminal server.  I always get the "#" prompt for that.  > BTW,L > I don't mean I start from something directly connected to port 20.  I meanN > an "inbound" device is connected to port 20 and I am trying to connect to it > remotely.  > D > 	But when I "telnet 1.2.3.4 2020", I am immediately connected.  NoO > "#" prompt for any of the 12+ DECServer 900TM (v2.4) I have still in service.c >   > 	Here are some of my settings: >  > Local> Show Port 20n > 7 > Port 20:                               Server: XXXXXXG > H > Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               9600H > Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:              9600H > Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        DisabledH > Stop Bits:           Dynamic           Signal Select:  CTS-DSR-RTS-DTR > H > Access:               Remote           Local Switch:                 |H > Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                   PORT_20H > Break:                 Local           Session Limit:                1H > Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      AnsiH > Default Protocol:     Telnet           Default Menu:              NoneH > Autolink Timer One:10 Two:10           Dialer Script:             None >  > Preferred Service: None  > Authorized Groups:   0 > (Current)  Groups:   0 >  > Enabled Characteristics:A > Autobaud,  Broadcast,  Input Flow Control,  Output Flow Control  > " > Local> Show Telnet Listener 2020 > F > Listener TCP-port:  2020                     Listener Type:  TELNET & > Identification:     Important_Device > Ports:              20 > Connections:        Enabled  > IP Address:         1.2.3.4a >  > I > 	Anyone know if it is possible to get the simple security working here?L > 	 > Thanks!) > Rick   Rick,   C I can confirm this when I telnet to a specific port with the telnet A listener enabled on it.  When the remote password is enabled, you C still get the "#" prompt prior to be "connected through."  In other E words, it uses the same prompt as when you telnet to the server (i.e.n# 1.2.3.4) without specifying a port.    Try the following:  ' CHANGE PORT 2020 REMOTE PASSWORD ENABLEp LOGOUT PORT 2020  E You should then see the "Remote Password" characteristic enabled whenw you do a "SHOW PORT 20"   E Then try "telnet 1.2.3.4 2020" and see if you get the "#" prompt.  IfbE you do, type the remote password for the server (it will be access ifEC you didn't change it).  Hit return a couple of times after enteringe the password at the "#" prompt.t   Joel   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:26:35 +0000 (UTC)t From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukY Subject: Re: put up or shut up (was: RE: AMD To Announce Microsoft Support For New Chip F + Message-ID: <aajalb$l1g$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e  \ In article <3CCBACAE.B9BC9BEA@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Bill Todd wrote:OF >> So unless Hammer tanks, Intel will have to field something similar. >oM >The wildcard here is compilers. Intel has Digital's compiler engineers. DoessM >AMD have experienced compiler people to develop compilers that will maximizee  >the Hammer chip's performance ?  N But Itanic is far more reliant on improved compiler technology than Hammer is.J To get the best out of EPIC requires compiler writers to solve some as yet unsolved problems.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University /   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:20:06 GMTp* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>Y Subject: Re: put up or shut up (was: RE: AMD To Announce Microsoft Support For New Chip F C Message-ID: <Gwdz8.168036$XV5.15954010@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>n  3 "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote in messagep& news:3CCD5FC1.6040506@gregcagle.com...! > david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:R9 > > In article <3CCBACAE.B9BC9BEA@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeip& <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > >g > >>Bill Todd wrote: > >>H > >>>So unless Hammer tanks, Intel will have to field something similar. > >>K > >>The wildcard here is compilers. Intel has Digital's compiler engineers.  DoesG > >>AMD have experienced compiler people to develop compilers that will  maximize# > >>the Hammer chip's performance ?e > >  > >GG > > But Itanic is far more reliant on improved compiler technology than 
 Hammer is.J > > To get the best out of EPIC requires compiler writers to solve some as yeto > > unsolved problems. >m- > And HP's compiler guys are working on them.h  J We're sure they are.  The question was whether Hammer would be hampered byD lack of comparable effort, not whether it was being done for Itanic.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:59:13 -0700m& From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com>Y Subject: Re: put up or shut up (was: RE: AMD To Announce Microsoft Support For New Chip Fn, Message-ID: <3CCD5FC1.6040506@gregcagle.com>   david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:g^ > In article <3CCBACAE.B9BC9BEA@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >  >>Bill Todd wrote: >>F >>>So unless Hammer tanks, Intel will have to field something similar. >>N >>The wildcard here is compilers. Intel has Digital's compiler engineers. DoesN >>AMD have experienced compiler people to develop compilers that will maximize! >>the Hammer chip's performance ?r >  > P > But Itanic is far more reliant on improved compiler technology than Hammer is.L > To get the best out of EPIC requires compiler writers to solve some as yet > unsolved problems.  + And HP's compiler guys are working on them.e   -- d
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 10:19:07 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c# Subject: Re: Reading a file in javay3 Message-ID: <qIRRnJHdWiJc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3cc67fe5.12610393@News.CIS.DFN.DE>, kkal@javakk.com (Ken Kalish) writes: > D > Larry, why do you suppose that dump/hex writes from right to left? >   F    Being a little endian machine, dumping the bytes from right to leftD    means that a 32 bit integer having value 1 will read as 00000001,D    which it should.  No matter what the system a legible dump should#    always be high byte on the left.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:08:12 +0100 ( From: "iserver7.com" <nospam@nospam.com>( Subject: Register domains at only $14.50* Message-ID: <1020085551.500450@newsfront1>   Register domains at only $14.50c Visit: http://www.iserver7.com   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 05:58:35 -0700, From: hughest@esm-semi.co.uk (Tracey Hughes)1 Subject: removing extra carriage return/line feed-< Message-ID: <d0058b0e.0204290458.e6d4b52@posting.google.com>  E I have some txt files created by Sqlplus running on an OpenVMS Alpha.sF On the Alpha that created them, if I edit the file the end of the fileC is the last line however if I open these in Wordpad and do CTRL-ENDn7 the cursor jumps to the 1st character of the next line.-  ? These files are to be uploaded into another system and they aremF rejected due to this extra line. At the moment I have to open the fileD in Wordpad and delete back once to the end of the last line and thenD resave the file. Is there anyway of using OpenVMS to have to the end( of the file at the end of the last line?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:23:06 +0200d( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL>5 Subject: RE: removing extra carriage return/line feedrC Message-ID: <86BE4031AD3CD611AC170008C7F37BC2472ABD@wt15.wt.tno.nl>m  M I use CONVERT on VMS to do teh job of files created on AXP to be processed on  Windooz. See patr of com file below.-   Hope this helps,   Mark    5 $ OPEN/Write OUTFILE 'projname'$SCRATCH:PC_'cPID'.FDL8< $ WRITE OUTFILE "IDENT  ""''F$Time()'  CONVERT_TO_PC V1.0""" $ WRITE OUTFILE "" $ WRITE OUTFILE "SYSTEM": $ WRITE OUTFILE "       SOURCE                  "OpenVMS"" $ WRITE OUTFILE "FILE"2 $ WRITE OUTFILE "       ALLOCATION              3"3 $ WRITE OUTFILE "       BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS     no"i2 $ WRITE OUTFILE "       CLUSTER_SIZE            3"3 $ WRITE OUTFILE "       CONTIGUOUS              no"12 $ WRITE OUTFILE "       EXTENSION               0"3 $ WRITE OUTFILE "       FILE_MONITORING         no"D2 $ WRITE OUTFILE "       GLOBAL_BUFFER_COUNT     0"; $ WRITE OUTFILE "       ORGANIZATION            sequential"n9 $ write outfile "       PROTECTION          (world:RWED)"e $ WRITE OUTFILE "RECORD"4 $ WRITE OUTFILE "       BLOCK_SPAN              yes"@ $ WRITE OUTFILE "       CARRIAGE_CONTROL        carriage_return"7 $ WRITE OUTFILE "       FORMAT                  stream"l $ CLOSE OUTFILE9   $!I $ Convert/Fdl='projname'$SCRATCH:PC_'cPID'.FDL 'cInputFile' 'cOutputFile',     -----Original Message-----< From: hughest@esm-semi.co.uk [mailto:hughest@esm-semi.co.uk]! Sent: maandag 29 april 2002 14:59g To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh1 Subject: removing extra carriage return/line feede    E I have some txt files created by Sqlplus running on an OpenVMS Alpha. F On the Alpha that created them, if I edit the file the end of the fileC is the last line however if I open these in Wordpad and do CTRL-ENDw7 the cursor jumps to the 1st character of the next line.p  ? These files are to be uploaded into another system and they areIF rejected due to this extra line. At the moment I have to open the fileD in Wordpad and delete back once to the end of the last line and thenD resave the file. Is there anyway of using OpenVMS to have to the end( of the file at the end of the last line?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:32:01 GMTE From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG 5 Subject: Re: removing extra carriage return/line feeda0 Message-ID: <00A0D2E9.26632F22@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <d0058b0e.0204290458.e6d4b52@posting.google.com>, hughest@esm-semi.co.uk (Tracey Hughes) writes:oF >I have some txt files created by Sqlplus running on an OpenVMS Alpha.G >On the Alpha that created them, if I edit the file the end of the file D >is the last line however if I open these in Wordpad and do CTRL-END  < I didn't know that Wordpad runs on VMS.  What is a CTRL-END?  8 >the cursor jumps to the 1st character of the next line. >o@ >These files are to be uploaded into another system and they areG >rejected due to this extra line. At the moment I have to open the fileyE >in Wordpad and delete back once to the end of the last line and then E >resave the file. Is there anyway of using OpenVMS to have to the end ) >of the file at the end of the last line?o  E What file attributes does this file possess?  It may be that you needpF to convert the file, modify its attributes, or perform some other fileE manipulation (for ex. TECO ... EX$$) prior to transferring it to "an-A other system".     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes:   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:00:32 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>KG Subject: Re: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?!i; Message-ID: <01KH4TB19YKI8ZG5L9@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a  E >     I have my DSL thru Speakeasy.net. They allow and encourage home . >     servers and you get a static IP address.  H Since I have more than one machine on the LAN, ONE static IP address is C no help.  Thus the need to get to the router and then jump on from aG there.  This is only for me personally (lots of time); other folks can a= continue to come in through the ISDN router (little traffic).6   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:33:27 -0400e% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>yG Subject: Re: somewhat off-topic: is there a DSL router with a console?! / Message-ID: <ucqmdojiogp2cc@news.supernews.com>e  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KH4TB19YKI8ZG5L9@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... G > >     I have my DSL thru Speakeasy.net. They allow and encourage home$0 > >     servers and you get a static IP address. >oI > Since I have more than one machine on the LAN, ONE static IP address isuD > no help.  Thus the need to get to the router and then jump on fromH > there.  This is only for me personally (lots of time); other folks can? > continue to come in through the ISDN router (little traffic).   H You can do a lot with a single static IP address.  Every DSL router I'veF seen can look at the incoming port when doing inbound NAT so you could? telnet in to different machines by specifying a different port.d   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 07:47:18 -0700- From: tessier-ashpool@usa.net (Chris Bardell)e/ Subject: UK/EU OpenVMS job market: non-existantn= Message-ID: <9f261edc.0204290647.40676401@posting.google.com>e   If anyone has a view on this...a  D Does anyone think the job market for OpenVMS tech support / sys mgrs: will ever take off again, specifically in the UK & Europe?  C One month into the new financial year, but hardly any upturn in the* amount of vacancies available.  C Any light at the end of the tunnel / recession / whatever? Or is it-B that, by & large, OpenVMS boxes just run too damn well and require less staff?r  E Would appreciate anyone's advice. VMS has paid my way since 1989, but$C it's all looking a bit terminal at the moment ...to the extent thatsC I'm practising saying "would you like fries with that, sir?" with ae helpful smile on my face.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:11:09 GMTE4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>3 Subject: Re: UK/EU OpenVMS job market: non-existant 0 Message-ID: <3CCD61FF.E048B699@blueyonder.co.uk>   Chris Bardell wrote: > ! > If anyone has a view on this...d > F > Does anyone think the job market for OpenVMS tech support / sys mgrs< > will ever take off again, specifically in the UK & Europe? >   @ Sure hope so, as it seems even more difficult to diversify into . other areas in IT if you have VMS on your CV.    <dream mode on>=J Of course, if VMS were to become the reliable web platform to small/medium buisinesses....n <dream mode off>  eE > One month into the new financial year, but hardly any upturn in thet  > amount of vacancies available.  F The only good thing I can try and glean from recent experience is thatB there are few vacancies but there is turnover, ie not the too much* of the same job cropping up over and over.   > E > Any light at the end of the tunnel / recession / whatever? Or is itmD > that, by & large, OpenVMS boxes just run too damn well and require
 > less staff?  >   @ I'd say it is a fallacy and a real business risk to run without D serious VMS expertise available, no matter how stable the system is.@ However, I'm not the one hiring for businesses that rely on VMS.  G > Would appreciate anyone's advice. VMS has paid my way since 1989, but E > it's all looking a bit terminal at the moment ...to the extent that-E > I'm practising saying "would you like fries with that, sir?" with ap > helpful smile on my face..  C :-). I too am looking at diversifying into non-IT areas, but that'sE not easy at the moment either. 3  
 All the best.2   Regards,   -- c tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk y  F * tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:20:51 +0200i= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> / Subject: Re: VAX decommissioning/secure HD wipe ) Message-ID: <3CCD56C3.6058C64E@gtech.com>s  ! tadd_cameron@aoc.gov.ab.ca wrote:EK > We are decommissioning our 4000-100 and are in need of a secure method of L > wiping the SCSI drives prior to its removal.  Any Ideas or starting points > would be appreciated?L  ' There are different levels of security:t@ 1) physical destuction of the disks (melting them to scrap iron)8 2) overwrite all blocks with random bit patterns X times% 3) just delete everything with /ERASEs/ 4) cross your fingers and hope  the buyer do itC  6 What you prefer depends on your security requirements.  < Unless you have very special requirements, then #2 should be sufficient.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:58:49 +0200t' From: Lasse Jensen <rdx@worldonline.dk>n/ Subject: VAXstation 4000 90 and serial console?t= Message-ID: <3ccd276f$0$97316$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>m  I I have a digital VAXstation 4000 90 i want to connect to a PC with Linux .H and minicom, theres a MMJ serial port on the VAX and a DB9 on the PC, i K have tried several different console cable layouts i found on the net, but XL none of them worked, so what pins should i connect and what settings should I i use to get the VAX running a terminal on my PC? I can't wait to get my 6 own VMS machine up running.    --  ( Lasse Jensen [rdx at worldonline dot dk] [lasse@Earth ~]$ uname -acK Linux earth.lan 2.4.7-10smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 6 17:09:31 EDT 2001 i686 unknowne [lasse@Earth ~]$ uptime E  11:01am  up 5 days, 11:27,  4 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.06, 0.01    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:08:20 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> / Subject: VAXstation 4000 90 and serial console? ; Message-ID: <01KH4XMYO34M8Y7NGP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>T  J > I have a digital VAXstation 4000 90 i want to connect to a PC with Linux > and minicom,    # I would suggest a real terminal....o  ; > theres a MMJ serial port on the VAX and a DB9 on the PC, t  F Fine.  If there is more than one MMJ serial port on the VAX, you want H the one with the picture of a printer.  (If you connect this to the MMJ I of a terminal, you want the MMJ port ON THE TERMINAL which does NOT have   a picture of a printer.)  J > i have tried several different console cable layouts i found on the net,9 > but none of them worked, so what pins should i connect s  I First, make sure the VAX wants a serial console.  On the front, there is iB a panel.  Open it.  There is an "S3" switch.  It should be in the ! correct position (up, I believe).r  H > and what settings should i use to get the VAX running a terminal on my > PC?   H SEND=9600, RECEIVE=9600, 8 bits, no parity.  I think these are the most # important terminal characteristics.0  5 > I can't wait to get my own VMS machine up running. d  
 Good luck!  H At least some old VAXen interpreted the loss of the console as a signal D to reboot, while more modern machines can survive the console being G turned off after having booted (or, for example with AUTO_ACTION=BOOT,  E will even boot with the console turned off on power cycle).  I don't hF know how some PC emulator connected up as the console relates to this.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 13:17:09 +0200a From: holitska_a@removehomo-togetvalide-mailhomo-ludens.elte.hu (Holi - Holitska Andrs) 3 Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000 90 and serial console?n! Message-ID: <vAStlgoO8wwV@ludens>o  g In article <3ccd276f$0$97316$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>, Lasse Jensen <rdx@worldonline.dk> writes:lK > I have a digital VAXstation 4000 90 i want to connect to a PC with Linux IJ > and minicom, theres a MMJ serial port on the VAX and a DB9 on the PC, i M > have tried several different console cable layouts i found on the net, but eN > none of them worked, so what pins should i connect and what settings should K > i use to get the VAX running a terminal on my PC? I can't wait to get my y > own VMS machine up running.  >   A Is the S3 switch near the HALT button (under a cover on the front-@ side) in the upper position? If it's in the lower position, thenA the VAX is in graphical console mode, but you need serial console  mode.:  ) Here is a figure, on how to make a cable:w  G             ________________   [DEC  MMJ]      <25 pin>        <9  pin>mI            /   /       /   /| ===========     ===========     ===========0I           /   /_______/   / | pin meaning     pin meaning     pin meaning<H          / ____________  /  |  5     RD+  ---  2     TXD  ===  3     TXDH         / / / / / / / / /   |  2     TD+  ---  3     RXD  ===  2     RXDH        / /6/5/4/3/2/1/ /   /   4     RD-  -+-  7     GND  ===  5     GND5       / /_/_/_/_/_/_/ |   /    3     TD-  -^         o       | |D|R|G|G|T|D| |  /     iG       | |S|D|N|N|D|T| | /      6     DSR  ---  20    DTR  ===  4    DTR'G       | |R|+|D|D|+|R| |/       1     DTR  ---  6     DSR  ===  6     SRv       |_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|             | . . |/o         \____/                      Signs:     ---  just connect them   -+-  a connection point 6   -^   connect the left side to where the arrow points6   ===  these pins have equal meaning on the connectors  ' 9600 bps, 8 bit, 1 stop bit, no parity.,   > -- h* > Lasse Jensen [rdx at worldonline dot dk] > [lasse@Earth ~]$ uname -a-M > Linux earth.lan 2.4.7-10smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 6 17:09:31 EDT 2001 i686 unknown. > [lasse@Earth ~]$ uptimerG >  11:01am  up 5 days, 11:27,  4 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.06, 0.01s   God be with You, bye:  <Holi>l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:41:11 +0200@9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e3 Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000 90 and serial console?a' Message-ID: <3CCD3157.C907816A@aaa.com>i  6 Check "http://www.stanq.com/cable.html" and search for; "H8571-J" which is the DB-9 to MMJ converter that DEC sold.i  + Or look for a ready made H8571-J converter.i No, mine are not for sale :-)a     Jan-Erik Sderholm.n   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 05:42:13 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>l0 Subject: Re: What does "affordable" mean to you?6 Message-ID: <20020429054213.18957.qmail@gacracker.org>  G On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:r >Michael Austin wrote: >> o >> Rob Buxton wrote: >> >: >> > On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:09:47 GMT, "David J. Dachtera"# >> > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:o >> >K >> > >I didn't find the message this evening, but this afternoon I saw (via)I >> > >Google) a post which suggested that "affordable" = "cheap, shitty".o >> > >L >> > >Should this be the topic of another on-line survey? I'd really like toK >> > >know if I'm the only one who equates "affordable" to "good stuff at ahM >> > >reasonable price" (read, for the "average consumer": "not more than one  >> > >paycheck").  >> > > >> > >Whaddaya think?- >> >F >> > I think it depends on whether you're asking the technical folk orL >> > accountants. VMS Clusters still offer low TCO, but that doesn't seem to- >> > count when the initial outlay is higher.5J >> > I'm continually baffled by how accounting practises seem to make whatK >> > looks like a higher cost option to be cheaper because of short term vsu >> > long term costs.a >> >J >> > The "off the shelf is cheaper" mantra that has played endlessly stillJ >> > holds sway. I'd love to see how the figures actually stack up as I'veI >> > seen a few "off the shelf" packages that have both failed to deliver 6 >> > and been incredibly expensive over the long haul. >> >J >> > I don't really know where "affordable" fits in in most organisations.E >> > It only becomes significant when competing products have similart  >> > features,  performance etc. >> > >> > > >> > >-- >> > >David J. Dachterak, >> > >dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ >> > >. >> > >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:& >> > >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  >> tG >> When companies continually use accounting practices that satisfy the0J >> morons on wall street, this is what you get.  Idiots that can no longerJ >> calculate TCO.  I do not know how many times over the past 6 years as a6 >> consultant I have heard cnversations to the effect:K >>  "I saved my company $1M by NOT buying xyz that would improve throughput 
 >> by 20%"' >>   - how much downtime did you have..W% >>   "Oh, only about 15hours or so. "DK >>   - So let's do a bit of math.  The cost per hour for your manufacturing H >> site to be down is $300K/hr and because you did not invest wisely, it3 >> actually cost you $4.5M because you saved $1M???T. >>  "Wweelll, now that you put it that way..." >>   >> SHEESH!!!J >> No wonder businesses are in the shape they are in...  Even  my 16yr old@ >> son knows more about economics than these so-called "experts" >> UA >> (not a great example, but it is late and I have had enough forI >> tonight....)  > H >I've frequently said - and it's rarely been understood: "How much money >can you AFFORD to save?"  > G >If cost to acquire is the obstacle, why to "they" keep harping on TCO?  >RC >Face it: in such cases, cost to acquire is the obstacle. TCO means 7 >"precisely dick!" (as the man said in "Men In Black").r  K Kinda ironic that Compaq would harp on about TCO. They certainly don't seem G to exhibit the sort of longer-term planning that taking items like thate into consideration requires.     Doc. -- -6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netj   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:12:35 +0200r( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL> Subject: RE: X sessionC Message-ID: <86BE4031AD3CD611AC170008C7F37BC2472AB7@wt15.wt.tno.nl>e  O I just created a simple command procedure that needs one parameter: the name orh. ip-address of the PC to create the display on.   The command procedure :y9 - defines the display (create/disp/node='p1'/trans=tcpip) N - run decw$session (actually using a symbl that is defined as "$decw$session")  E This is all I need to get the session manager on my PC using X-Win 32o   Mark   -----Original Message-----8 From: peter@langstoeger.at [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at]" Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 21:55 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. Subject: Re: X session    = In article <3CC24BC9.8090607@qsl.network>, "John E. Malmberg"2 <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: >James Wiley wrote:5B > > Can anyone tell me how to start an X session on a Open/VMS 7.1  B It's "OpenVMS VAX V7.1" or "OpenVMS Alpha V7.1" not "Open/VMS" ;-)   > > system?O  C Usually (eg. for customizations) @DECW$SESSIONCOM (without .COM !!)   J DECW$SESSIONCOM points normally to SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTSM.COM which doesJ besides some setup tasks (sylogin, workingset,...) invoke DECW$SESSION.EXE  @ >            I am trying to use Starnet's X-Win32 to set up an XH > > session, and I don't know what command to send the VMS system to get > > the X server going.  >nE >IIRC: after you use the SET DISPLAY command, then the image would bee >SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$SESSION.EXE  C I don't know what Starnet's X-Win32 supports/knows as host systems,hI but even without host support, it will work (but you have to do more ;-).t  J The recent versions of eXcursion do support VMS/DCL as OS/CLI and thereforG know exactly how to set a display and you thus only need to specify theiJ imagename - or a dollar sign and a DCL command (means "$@DECW$SESSIONCOM")  K Previous versions of eXcursion did not set the display itself and therefore'F required a little work. Eg. there has been a SYS$SYSTEM:PCX$SERVER.COMD (provided by what ? maybe DECnet/DOS or PCSA or who knows) which didH the work on the host. But IIRC it did it for the DECnet transport and soI may or may not support the TCPIP transport (I beleive, it did support TCPw in the latest versions)   I It was called with parameters like version#, server#, screen#, transport,- nodename or similar.  D So, if X-Win32 doesn't support DCL, you need to specify the commandsD to setup the display and invoke the image all by yourself. You couldC use the PIPE command of newer versions of VMS (like yours) or use aeC copy of above mentioned PCX$SERVER.COM. X11 servers for Win usuallyfD do support more than one method to connect to the host, but REXEC isC mostly the minimum (other methods are RSH, TELNET and DECnet-Task).-  $ So, via DCL PIPE, you could specify:  @ PIPE SET DIS/CR/TR=TCPIP/NO=a.b.c.d/SE=x/SC=y ; @DECW$SESSIONCOM  * or, via PCX$SERVER.COM, you could specify:  ? @SYS$SYSTEM:PCX$SERVER.COM 4 0 0 TCP a.b.c.d "@DECW$SESSIONCOM"i  D > > Also, years ago, when we first got our VMS system, we used a DEC9 > > product called eXcursion, but it doesn't work anymore   E Which version ? On what M$ application launcher (DOS, WFW, W9x,...) ? D What is the error message ? Please be more specific the next time...  H >                                                          - what is the0 > > follow on product for that, or is there one? >. >eXcursion.y >r/ >It is sold as part of the Pathworks32 product.   G eXcursion is still alive, but is now integrated/included (just like theoE PowerTerm 525 Terminal Emulator product) in the PATHWORKS-32 product.n  + 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/pathworks32/A  F Since M$ integrated a TCPIP capability in their OS imitating products,J the usefulness of the PATHWORKS client (DECnet for M$ and also LAT for M$)A decreased dramatically and so DEC decided to include the formerlyeB standalone product eXcursion into the PATHWORKS Client (previouslyK DECnet-DOS) and named it then PATHWORKS-32 (as it was no longer 16bit then) ( just to keep the PATHWORKS Client alive.  H btw: Last time I checked, PATHWORKS-32 was cheaper (but not better ! eg.J I had 10% performance advantage with NCD PCXware over eXcursion for normalL work or 600% performance advantage for downloading fonts by twice the price)L then a pure X11 server of the competion and/or a pure good terminal emulator of the competition. YMMV  I PATHWORKS-32 V7.2 is current and officially supports also NT5 (= Win2000)sK and the euro-sign. It does also run on XP, but only in W2K compabilty mode.i  O PATHWORKS-32 V7.3 already entered field test & will soon officially support XP.    HIH-   -- - Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialisti E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2002 10:21:51 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n$ Subject: Re: [java] running detached3 Message-ID: <3HtJQuYniAT+@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  T In article <19mSpRk0IAK8@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:  C > Won't work.  He's running SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT as the image in themH > detached process.  And LOGINOUT.EXE maps SYS$OUTPUT and SYS$ERROR both2 > to the file identified in the /OUTPUT= qualifier  0    LOGINOUT only does that for interactive jobs.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.236 ************************