1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 01 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 421       Contents: Re: Alphaserver 4100 5/4000 Re: attn Hoff:  who updates the porting library?0 Re: attn Hoff:  who updates the porting library?0 Re: Bad shadowing and SCSI bus error interaction Re: burst of CI errors. Help.  Compression on DLT backup  connection lost  Re: connection lost  Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd?  Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd? % Re: Cygwin/xfree86 and VMS/DecWindows $ RE: Help - Problem with keys in TPU. HSJ40 HSOF 3.4 patches4 Re: More about BITnet (was: Jnet Programming Manual)4 Re: More about BITnet (was: Jnet Programming Manual)4 Re: More about BITnet (was: Jnet Programming Manual) Re: New to the List  Re: New to the List % Re: No Andrew, slowaris can't be VMS! % Re: No Andrew, slowaris can't be VMS! + Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow) ' re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow = Re: P.Thread: setting RR scheduling policy on default thread? 9 Re: String to perform a conversational boot on a vax 4700 ' Re: TS10 Vax and Ethernet - please help ' Re: TS10 Vax and Ethernet - please help $ Re: Using IBM drives on alpha system$ RE: Using IBM drives on alpha system re: VMS training restarts H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 06:36:25 -0700 - From: jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) # Subject: Re: Alphaserver 4100 5/400 = Message-ID: <9059bf6b.0208010536.7d9e8d8e@posting.google.com>   G > However I went to boot the V/A 7.3 I used on the DEC3000 to check the > > hardware and it faults with an exception and returns to SRM.L > I then booted the Firmware update and updated fine but still the same whenJ > trying the 7.3.  This is only day one so I still need to investigate theN > problem, (SRM setting since it initially came up in arc but after a while it > switched to SRM.)    Okay:   @ You have updated the firmware to the latest greatest?  I believe? AlphaServer Firmware 6.1(?) is out with the 7.3-1 distribution.   A Have you checked to make sure all components are tight and seated 	 properly?   D Have you checked that all I/O devices are supported by OpenVMS 7.3? F If the 4100 was running NT or a flavor of UNIX, a card may be in there! that is not supported by OpenVMS.   D Finally, post the exception you are getting, that would help us out.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:48:06 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> 9 Subject: Re: attn Hoff:  who updates the porting library? , Message-ID: <3D4911E6.7000909@theblakes.com>  H I'll try to get the updated source posted soon. In the meantime, here's + the change. The fix goes in access_jacket.c   H Find the string "xok fix" (in a trace statement) and just before it add 	 the line:    errno = EACCES;   % The code needs to set stat AND errno.   
 That's it.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 07:26:17 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: attn Hoff:  who updates the porting library? 3 Message-ID: <NT4biKTIq81r@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3D4911E6.7000909@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:J > I'll try to get the updated source posted soon. In the meantime, here's - > the change. The fix goes in access_jacket.c  > J > Find the string "xok fix" (in a trace statement) and just before it add  > the line:  >  > errno = EACCES;  > ' > The code needs to set stat AND errno.       Will do, thanks much.   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Aug 2002 03:20:21 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>9 Subject: Re: Bad shadowing and SCSI bus error interaction - Message-ID: <878z3rpuve.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   " John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:  F > The 2nd problem is why doesn't volume shadowing hide this error fromD > the user apps?  Shouldn't it either declare DKI100: dead, and dropE > it from the shadow set, or retry (which seems to succeed, since the  > drive is running fine now)?   > Shadowing returns the bad news on writes, and the good news on	 reads....   = On a read, any member that can return the correct data, fine.   > On a write, we NEED to know if we have an error. else we would? silently end up with a 0 unit shadow set and no notice :( When  > it returns to you, it must have expelled the unit, written the< data, or had the IO canceled. Anything else is a massive bug waiting to kill your data!!      --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:34:29 -0700 " From: Koloth <koloth@telocity.com>& Subject: Re: burst of CI errors. Help.+ Message-ID: <3D48D675.3561D70@telocity.com>   K Can you expand on what systems you are using?  What version?  Alpha or VAX.   H If you have ES40s make sure you have the low-profile card guides for the slots containing
 the CIPCA.   Regards,   Cass Witkowski   Lyndon Bartels wrote:   E > This system is an established cluster. Been set up for over a year.  > I > The data center is an unmanned one, though people do go in it from time 
 > to time. > I > Right now, I'm hoping to have the "burst" happen again, so I can try to H > establish a pattern... If I can establish a pattern, maybe I can rig aD > trigger... If I can rig a trigger, I can start swapping out parts. >  > Keep the ideas coming....  >  > --I > My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my  > employer.  > J > The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't > have > to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:26:32 -0400 ) From: Virginia Rogers <vrogers@umich.edu> " Subject: Compression on DLT backup) Message-ID: <3D493708.7274C648@umich.edu>   O We have a TZ89 tape drive which is installed in our StorageWorks disk cabinet.  I I'm performing disk backups from an AlphaServer 1000 which is running VMS  V7.2-1.   P My question is, why can I not fit more than about 30Gb on one tape?  I'm using aO DLT IV tape.  It doesn't seem to make any difference whether I have compression P set or not (either with the button on the front panel of the drive, or using theK /media_format=compaction qualifier with the INIT and BACKUP commands).  The O files that I'm backing up are image files which should be able to be compressed O (using 'compress' on unix I can compress an image file by 40%).  I'm backing up G 35GB disks and would like to be able to fit the whole disk on one tape.   < This is what the tape device looks like with a tape mounted: ----------- K Magtape PN1A$MKA200:, device type TZ89, is online, allocated, deallocate on N dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented device, errorN logging is enabled, device is busy, controller supports compaction (compaction# enabled), device supports fastskip.   6 Error count 2             Operations completed 87591994 Owner process "_FTA19:"   Owner UIC  [STAFF,VROGERS]6 Owner process ID 2D400306 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W3 Reference count 4         Default buffer size 32768   / Volume label "IMGB02"     Relative volume no. 0 - Record size  0            Transaction count 1 ' Mount status Process      Mount count 1  ACP process name  ""* Density  TK89             Format Normal-11   Volume status:  odd parity.  -----------  Thanks,  Virginia Rogers    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:27:09 +0200, From: "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> Subject: connection lost. Message-ID: <aianse$pj5$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>   Hello,  F We are running on Alpha 1000A/OpenVms 7.2 and since a month ago we are# experincing 'Connection lost' error K under our terminal emulators (Acadia) and sometimes it doesn't react on our E keyboard for a few seconds. This happens almost everyday a few times. J From Pinging our server we can see that sometimes the server doesn'n react# on ping request (Request timed out) 2 We checked our network and it seems to works fine.  	 Any idea?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:33:48 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: connection lost) Message-ID: <3D48F26B.3F440CF8@127.0.0.1>    Hamid Bourchi wrote:  H > We are running on Alpha 1000A/OpenVms 7.2 and since a month ago we are% > experincing 'Connection lost' error M > under our terminal emulators (Acadia) and sometimes it doesn't react on our G > keyboard for a few seconds. This happens almost everyday a few times. L > From Pinging our server we can see that sometimes the server doesn'n react% > on ping request (Request timed out)   D You've failed to identify the TCPIP package you're using, or even toD confirm that is the protocol you are using, but 'ping' is synonymous1 with TCPIP, so I'll take that assumption as read.   B Ping is so basic, that, if you are seeing problems here that [your
 statement]...   4 > We checked our network and it seems to works fine.  A must be wrong. You have a notwork. 'Seems' and 'is' are difficult G concepts to prove in the TCPIP world. DECNet at least vaguely gives you  a clue.   C I have also assumed that the PC environment on which your 'Arcadia'  emulators run is perfect.   F TRACEROUTE is what you need to use from both ends and when the problemH is experienced, the dead end you see is where the problem is located. ItG is a wise idea to check you are up to date with your ECO levels on your D IP software, but it is unlikely to be a factor in this problem. Good luck.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:20:34 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> & Subject: Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd?K Message-ID: <Ssb29.249897$WJf1.223059@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   L I have not seen the hobbyist CD before. Is it 'burned' or is it 'stomped' as is a production distribution?   F If it's 'stomped' them most CD production houses have a setup fees andG minimum order requirements that usually make it uneconomical to produce K batches of less than about 3-500 CD's (works out to a few dollars per copy)  at a decent facility.     2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message# news:ai5l0q01urh@drn.newsguy.com... 6 > In article <3D45D7E9.24222F@fsi.net>, "David says... > >  > >Hoff Hoffman wrote: > >>= > >>In article <ahoc3p$s8s$1@reader3.panix.com>, John Forkosh  <john@invalid.com> > >>writes: 2 > >> :Someone wanted to borrow my VAX hobbyist cd,( > >> :which I won't let out of my sight. > >>I > >>   Please have the, um, spending-averse someone order their own copy?  > > H > >See http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html which shows these are > >sold out. > G > Given that creating new copies of the CD costs pennies (in dollars or  pounds) K > and that almost no effort is needed to make them, I cannot understand why  they > remain "sold out". What's up?  >  > >--  > >David J. Dachtera > >dba DJE Systems > >http://www.djesys.com/  > > + > >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: " > >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:14:06 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> & Subject: Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd?8 Message-ID: <4ujiku07db4vchs6jg5sk3m5mcc2qh7lr0@4ax.com>  F On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:20:34 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  M >I have not seen the hobbyist CD before. Is it 'burned' or is it 'stomped' as  >is a production distribution? > G >If it's 'stomped' them most CD production houses have a setup fees and H >minimum order requirements that usually make it uneconomical to produceL >batches of less than about 3-500 CD's (works out to a few dollars per copy) >at a decent facility.  D But even if it has previously been "stomped" so what? If we're short> of a few copies to meet current orders then just "burn" them.  > 3 >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message $ >news:ai5l0q01urh@drn.newsguy.com...7 >> In article <3D45D7E9.24222F@fsi.net>, "David says...  >> > >> >Hoff Hoffman wrote:  >> >> > >> >>In article <ahoc3p$s8s$1@reader3.panix.com>, John Forkosh ><john@invalid.com>  >> >>writes:3 >> >> :Someone wanted to borrow my VAX hobbyist cd, ) >> >> :which I won't let out of my sight.  >> >> J >> >>   Please have the, um, spending-averse someone order their own copy? >> >I >> >See http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html which shows these are 
 >> >sold out.  >>H >> Given that creating new copies of the CD costs pennies (in dollars or >pounds)L >> and that almost no effort is needed to make them, I cannot understand why >they   >> remain "sold out". What's up? >> >> >-- >> >David J. Dachtera  >> >dba DJE Systems  >> >http://www.djesys.com/ >> >, >> >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:# >> >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  >> >    -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 08:48:09 -0700 % From: tadamsmar@YAHOO.COM (Tom Adams) . Subject: Re: Cygwin/xfree86 and VMS/DecWindows= Message-ID: <906b9161.0208010748.362313d3@posting.google.com>   E I am having trouble figuring out how I can reconfigure xfree86 to get ! a vt100 style keyboard functions.   B I cannot locate xf86config.  I think I need to introduce a revisedA version of this file but I cannot locate it.  Also, the man seems > to indicate xf86config is also the name of a program that will generateA the config file, but I cannot find the program under that name in  my installation.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:57:05 -0400* From: "Kaledas, Ronald" <RKaledas@dmc.org>- Subject: RE: Help - Problem with keys in TPU. L Message-ID: <B39B28A01B62D311B1360090277B3A58070F7730@tro-nt-exchg2.dmc.org>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23952.8E5BD640  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"   J Actually, com files only need "E" access for someone to run them, not "R".@ Read access allows non-priv users to copy and type the com file, Execute-only does not.   Ron    > -----Original Message-----1 > From: David Froble [mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com] * > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:14 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / > Subject: Re: Help - Problem with keys in TPU.  >  > , > Another gotcha.  What's the protection of " > SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM?  For a ; > non-prived user to access the file, it needs to have the   > protection W:RE.  < > Otherwise, what it does for you at login will not happen,  > and, you will not be  : > notified that the procedure wasn't invoked.  This issue  > pertains to all the ; > files you may access as part of loging on, ANNOUNCE.TXT,   > WELCOME.TXT, and such,   > if they are used.  >  > Dave >  >   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23952.8E5BD640  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12"> 3 <TITLE>RE: Help - Problem with keys in TPU.</TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Actually, com files only need &quot;E&quot; access =F for someone to run them, not &quot;R&quot;.&nbsp; Read access allows =A non-priv users to copy and type the com file, Execute-only does =  not.</FONT></P>    <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ron</FONT> </P>  8 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>0 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: David Froble [<A =I HREF=3D"mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com">mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com</A>]</FON=  T>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:14 AM</FONT> 8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: Re: Help - Problem with keys in = TPU.</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT> H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Another gotcha.&nbsp; What's the protection of = </FONT>rD <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM?&nbsp; For a </FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; non-prived user to access the file, it needs to =s have the </FONT>0 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; protection W:RE. </FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Otherwise, what it does for you at login will =y not happen, </FONT>h4 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; and, you will not be </FONT>< <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; notified that the procedure wasn't =! invoked.&nbsp; This issue </FONT>n3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; pertains to all the </FONT>nD <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; files you may access as part of loging on, = ANNOUNCE.TXT, </FONT>L6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; WELCOME.TXT, and such, </FONT>0 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; if they are used.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>s# <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Dave</FONT>a <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>e <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>a </P>   </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23952.8E5BD640--    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:38:33 -0400' From: "Ung Ho Yi" <yi-1@medctr.osu.edu>  Subject: HSJ40 HSOF 3.4 patchesl: Message-ID: <aib6k4$85k$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>   Hello,   thanks in advance.  K I am looking for patches for HSOF 3.4 for HSJ40's.  I have called NewHP and-I they didn't see any patches for it and it might be because it was out for. short duration.e  K Could some share any information about HSOF 3.4?  Is there any problem with9I it?  I have used it for serveral months on our test system, only using itn for JBOD and stripe sets.    Thanks,a yi   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 06:39:24 GMTa! From: Andy <acs@fcgnet.works.net>l= Subject: Re: More about BITnet (was: Jnet Programming Manual)i> Message-ID: <Xns925D1ABDA6910acsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>  @ winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") enlightened us witht1 news:00A11C43.58F4EC60@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU: h  / > In article <$jUY8WMAYgyY@cuebid.zko.dec.com>,i4 > brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: 0 >>"Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> writes:+ >>> <sword7@speakeasy.org> wrote in messageO- >>> news:uk6irdc2dq7vf8@corp.supernews.com...l  r= >>To add to Tony's explanation -- BITnet (The "BIT" stood forV> >>Because It's Time) used the RSCS protocol (I don't know whatB >>that stands for).  It was most popular on IBM mainframes running< >>VM/CMS (Virtual Machine/Conversational Monitor System).  I= >>believe that Jnet was an implementation of RSCS that ran ons? >>VAX/VMS (I don't know if it was ever ported to OpenVMS Alpha)p$ >>and was sold by Joiner Associates. > > > Joiner later changed their name to WINGRA; I never knew why.  s@ >>There were other applications besides Finger that used RSCS; I= >>believe there were file transfer capabilities, as well as aeB >>real-time talk facility -- perhaps similar to IRC or AOL Instant1 >>Messaging; I've never used either of those two..  = Ah... Relay. I remember it well..... :-). Channels (though iti7 might have been called something else) and everything. r  @ You could also connect directly to another BITNet user somewhere? else (Vaguely Phone-like) with simple commands (OR at least ther$ VMS versions were simple to use...)   B > I confirm the file transfer capabilities, as well as the ability. > to print from VMS on printers owned by VM.  ? > It did have an instant-message-ish or IRCish talk capability,e6 > but it wasn't exactly real-time because BITnet was a3 > store-and-forward hub-and-spoke kind of network. 2  A It certainly felt "Real time". I always assumed that the time lagjA in conversations with people on the other side of the planet were > due to the technology (slow netwoek connections ... maybe even satellite)    	 > -- Alane   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:10:47 +0200tE From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>t= Subject: Re: More about BITnet (was: Jnet Programming Manual) + Message-ID: <3D492547.540BD053@mediasec.de>r  I IIRC, RSCS is Remote Spooling Control Subsystem. One of those typical IBMrF products: developed by a customer (U Houston?) because IBM had nothingG equivalent to offer, and later part of the foundation of their softwarei	 offering.    	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 1 AUG 2002 15:23:45 GMTh4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)= Subject: Re: More about BITnet (was: Jnet Programming Manual) 5 Message-ID: <1AUG02.15234575@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>   K In a previous article, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL  Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote:   ->... > ->Joiner later changed their name to WINGRA; I never knew why.  I I can't tell you why the changed their name but Lake Wingra is one of the B several lakes that surround Madison, WI - where they were located.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison@9 --                      karcher.nospam@waisman.wisc.edu  i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:33:57 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: New to the ListK Message-ID: <9Na29.249786$WJf1.196889@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   K You might want to consider looking for a 'previously loved' Alpha system on  e-Bay for hardware.p  K If you want VAX gear, I'd recommend looking for a VAXstation 4000/60 or /90hL model - just be aware that the video output on these (at least the ones I'veK worked with in the past) are not on typical PC-style DB-15 connectors. SomecJ were originally sold with monochrome video (synch-on-green), and require a, fixed frequency monitor with BNC connectors.    ? "Kevin Monceaux" <OwnedByDogs@ClearSource.net> wrote in messagebC news:Pine.LNX.4.30.0208010036480.20110-100000@Linux.monceaux.com... H > I'm new to the list and wanted to introduce myself and ask a couple ofC > questions.  I got my first tast of VMS in college.  I worked as auH > volunteer operator on a VAX 11/750.  That was in the late 80's.  I nowF > work as an IBM mainframe operator.  I hadn't touched VMS since untilI > recently when I discovered the hobbyist program.  Unfortunately I don'tiI > have any VAX hardware to run VMS on so I'm having to live with using anuI > emulator.  Currently I'm using simh.  It appears to work well but lacks K > networking support.  I've seen mention of the TS10 emulator which handles J > tcp/ip over tun/tap.  I downloaded TS10 only to find the needed boot romD > images arn't included.  My questions are:  Are the boot rom imagesL > available to the general public?  Is there another emulator available thatL > has networking support?  On the other hand, if anyone knows of any "stray"I > VAX equipment in the central Texas area that is in need of a good home,e > let me know. >l	 > Thanks,t >  > Kevin  >-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:40:30 -05002 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net> Subject: Re: New to the List/ Message-ID: <ukiljft40fgp3a@corp.supernews.com>o   Kevin,  J If you do get a small Vax, as suggested by John, you may be happy to learnL that you can use certain PC-style monitors with it. I have a VaxStation 3100I and a VaxStation 4000-60 and they both work fine with an old Viewsonic 17GL monitor I have. This model monitor has the BNC connectors as well as the VGAL connector, and easily sync's with the frequencies output by the VaxStations.  J I would think that you could get a Viewsonic 17 used for not much money. IJ suspect that many other high-end monitors equipped with the BNC connectorsK (Sony, etc.) will also work. Please note that the '17 was a top of the line,K model and accepts a very wide range of frequencies. I also have a ViewSonicjH 17GS (no BNC connections) that I've tried with the AlphaStation, and it,J even though the Alpha uses the PC-style cabling, and the Alpha do NOT work	 together!c  L I picked up a VaxStation 4000-60 for $98, an AlphaStation 200 4/100 for $66,I and a VaxStation 4000/VLC for $51. All of these were found on eBay in the G last year. eBay is very active right now on VaxStations (like the 3100, H 4000-60, and 4000-90) and MicroVaxes (like the 3100). These machines areK pretty simple and mostly use normal SCSI drives that are easily found. Some-I of the next size up systems, especially the Vaxes, use DSSI drives, whichsL are not as commonly available, and may make the systems less attractive to a beginning hobbyiest.  K These machines all provide Ethernet connectivity, but it is of the thinwiretH or thickwire variety - not twisted pair. To use 10BaseT twisted pair youK will need a AUI-to-10BaseT tranceiver for the machine, assuming you connectfK it to a network. These tranceivers are also commonly available. I purchasedr9 a few on eBay for $11 each; I've since seen them cheaper.n  I Good luck with your equipment search! With any luck you will find someonekJ getting rid of something you can use. Check with colleges and hospitals inI your area for surplus equipment. The AlphaStation I purchased came from a 2 Jr. College computer lab that had been "upgraded".   Stuart Johnson ssj152 AT charter DOT netk  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE news:9Na29.249786$WJf1.196889@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...sJ > You might want to consider looking for a 'previously loved' Alpha system on > e-Bay for hardware.t >PI > If you want VAX gear, I'd recommend looking for a VAXstation 4000/60 orR /90iI > model - just be aware that the video output on these (at least the ones  I'veH > worked with in the past) are not on typical PC-style DB-15 connectors. SomeL > were originally sold with monochrome video (synch-on-green), and require a. > fixed frequency monitor with BNC connectors. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:35:28 +0100aU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> . Subject: Re: No Andrew, slowaris can't be VMS!0 Message-ID: <aibgvh$8j0$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:   > In article <ai8sni$cig$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes: >  > B >>However HP would be pretty silly if they did mount this campaignA >>since their own clustering "solution" SCA suffered from exactlyt >>what they claim ours does. >> > E >    Nope.  HP's own clustering solution is now VMSclusters.  Why theyA >    heck else would they want to buy the cluster they called the55 >    standard everyone else is trying to catch up to?2 >  >     ( You point would have been more valid if:  8 HP-UX didn't provide more revenues than Tru64 or OpenVMS5 combined and if VMSclusters were available for HP-UX.:  9 I very much doubt that the HP marketing folks thinking ofo8 running this campaign (not a good idea given HP history)8 have OpenVMS in mind as the platform that they hope will benefit from it.   Regardsh Andrew Harrisonl   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 12:39:26 -0600o- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o. Subject: Re: No Andrew, slowaris can't be VMS!3 Message-ID: <EHh+Grd8EH2P@eisner.encompasserve.org>"   In article <aibgvh$8j0$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes: > * > You point would have been more valid if: > : > HP-UX didn't provide more revenues than Tru64 or OpenVMS7 > combined and if VMSclusters were available for HP-UX.t > ; > I very much doubt that the HP marketing folks thinking ofd: > running this campaign (not a good idea given HP history): > have OpenVMS in mind as the platform that they hope will > benefit from it.  6    You better not bet on your doubts, you've been had.  G    VMScluster technology was ported into and is the core of TruClustersuE    in Tru64 UNIX.  HP has said they will drop Tru64, merging the bestkE    features into HP-UX.  And TruCluster is one of those features thato#    they've said will go into HP-UX.a  H    So VMScluster technology WILL be available in HP-UX.  HP said it was B    good, HP wanted it, HP got it, and HP knows what to do with it.  F    Amd if revenues were all that mattered, Sun wouldn't be giving away;    thier JDK or OpenOffice.  They'd be kissing up to Billy.4   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 05:34:34 -0700 . From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)4 Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0208010434.2aee280d@posting.google.com>i  T Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:<3D485236.B728B91@aaa.com>... > Amen to that !!! > Jan-Erik Sderholm >  > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > 9 > > I am sure the other readers are tired of this thread.G > >t     OK, here's my thread killer:  Q REMEMBER, NOON IS 12:00 PM AND MIDNIGHT IS 12:00 AM, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT!!!!!e   Disclamer: SET MIDNIGHTw Alan E. Feldmanm afeldman zzzgfigroupzzz  no zzz's, add coma   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:15:27 +0200$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>0 Subject: re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow+ Message-ID: <00A11D18.42321DD3.17@decus.de>-   Sue,  ' > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:49:35 -0400s5 > From: Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@HP.NOSPAM.COM> . > Subject: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow >   L >  There was a very cool banner that said With OpenVMS there is no question.L > I recevied an invitation and checked to see if it was open for everyone to > register and they said yes.o >    > Warm Regards,e >    > Sue  >    >    >    >   I > The registration web site is now open for OpenVMS comes to Itanium, theo2 > Summer 2002 OpenVMS Road Show for Public Sector. >   $ > www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour >    [...].  M Any chance that there is a similar roadshow in Europe, too? Of course Germany  would be preferred ... :-)   Michaelu   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:49:43 GMT10 From: David Butenhof <David.Butenhof@compaq.com>F Subject: Re: P.Thread: setting RR scheduling policy on default thread?2 Message-ID: <rMc29.17$Ig4.327773@news.cpqcorp.net>  
 OHM wrote:  H > I'd like to use the round robin scheduling policy for my POSIX threads > based application... > E > I could set it successfully for threads I create explicitely, using F > the thread attributes along with pthread_attr_setschedpolicy() prior > to pthread_create()  > D > However the default thread desperately stays in throughput mode inE > spite of all my attempts to turn it to RR;  Here's how I try to setM7 > its scheduling policy before I create the other guys:T >  >     int rs = 0;  >     int policy = 0;t$ >     pthread_t id = pthread_self();" >     struct sched_param schedPrm; > B >     // Set the round robin scheduling policy on the main thread.; >     rs = pthread_getschedparam( id, &policy, &schedPrm );l >     if ( ! rs ) {d >         policy = SCHED_RR;> >         rs = pthread_setschedparam( id, policy, &schedPrm ); >     }t > D > This is using the standard PThreads calls (no draft 4), on OpenVMSG > Alpha V7.2, V7.2-1, V7.2-2 and V7.3, all most recent O/S updates, RMSoC > and PThreads patches applied where applicable, and the Compaq C++d > V6.5-004 compiler...  J The problem here is that you're trying to retain the same priority value. D The standard doesn't allow you to do this -- each policy may have a * distinct range of allowed priority values.  I The VMS implementation takes advantage of this, and in fact the priority yK ranges allowed for SCHED_OTHER (the default timeshare policy) and SCHED_RR  K do not overlap at all. Therefore, there is no legal way to change from one &5 policy to another without also changing the priority.t  J The standard way to determine the legal priority range for a policy is by K calling sched_get_priority_min and sched_get_priority_max. Those functions  H don't exist on VMS, but <pthread.h> defines non-standard priority range E symbols you can use for the same purpose. (Heck, on Tru64 UNIX those 3J functions ignore the policy value and return non-standard constant values  defined in <sched.h> anyway!)<  M PRI_RR_MIN and PRI_RR_MAX definine the legal min and max priority values for / the SCHED_RR policy.  D > Side question: what are the implications of leaving that thread inF > throughput mode, while the other threads are running on round robin?D > Namely about shared RMS file synchronous access, with multistreamsH > (one stream per thread) open to a single file, and implicit RMS recordE > level locking trusted for mutual exclusion on concurrently accessedNF > records?  I am asking this as I get a deadlock once in a while, thatF > looks like happening on concurrent access to the first record of theA > file, despite my triple checks for explicit sys$release() where. > needed...s  G RMS doesn't (directly) use thread sychronization or scheduling, so the NH interaction is subtle. If you have upcalls enabled, synchronous RMS I/O J should generate blocking and unblocking upcalls, and that involves thread  scheduling.t  L I don't really know how RMS record locking works between threads within the / same process. Interesting question, though. ;-)T   -- >C /--------------------[ David.Butenhof@hp.com ]--------------------\xC | Hewlett-Packard Company       Tru64 UNIX & VMS Thread Architect |aC |     My book: http://www.awl.com/cseng/titles/0-201-63392-2/     |uC \-------------[ http://homepage.mac.com/~dbutenhof ]--------------/h   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Aug 2002 03:28:53 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>B Subject: Re: String to perform a conversational boot on a vax 4700- Message-ID: <874refpuh6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>i  $ joepat@hotmail.com (joe pat) writes:  G > What is the boot string that will boot a 4700 in conversational mode?r  7 Do a SHOW BFLG, then add 1 to that value and B/<value>.s   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.w@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 06:01:21 -0600C- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)<0 Subject: Re: TS10 Vax and Ethernet - please help3 Message-ID: <Y3I0oaQ8AbAe@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  X In article <1020731234845.6053A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:( > On 31 Jul 2002, Larry Kilgallen wrote: > d >> In article <ViZ19.1$dA4.2643@news.randori.com>, "John Clausen" <jclausen@co.walker.tx.us> writes:) >> > Ok, I am running TS10 on RedHat 7.2.I/ >> > I have created the /dev/tap0 device using:M >> > mknod /dev/tap0 c 36 16- >> > I have also enabled the ethertap module:  >> > insmod ethertap >> >  ; >> > I follow the instructions in the TS10/vax/ReadMe file.o >> > S0 >> > I start TS10 and get the following message: >> > n1 >> > TUN: Error (Open): no such file or directory 8 >> > Can't open TUN connection (tap) on XQA0: - Aborted. >> > dG >> > What am I missing? Is anyone else running RedHat 7.2 successfully?  >> lD >> I think you are missing the concept that this is a VMS newsgroup.E >> In this context, a TS10 is an ancient inferior 9 track tape drive.t  E > Wasn't the infamous tape-stretcher the TS11, not TS10?  There was asG > TU10 (9-track, 800 bpi and lower).  We used to have a couple of these H > on our PDP-11/40's.  Slow & low density, but it had vacuum columns, so0 > it was much nicer to your tapes than the TS11.   I stand corrected.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 12:20:13 GMTr From: Jordi Guillaumes Ponsv0 Subject: Re: TS10 Vax and Ethernet - please help, Message-ID: <3D49256D.5080508@nospam.please>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:D >>What am I missing? Is anyone else running RedHat 7.2 successfully? > C > I think you are missing the concept that this is a VMS newsgroup. D > In this context, a TS10 is an ancient inferior 9 track tape drive.  C Nope."This" TS10 is an open source PDP-10 and VAX emulator, now in - development:  * <URL:http://sourceforge.net/projects/ts10>  < I assume this guy is trying to run VMS on the emulator, and H specifically, he is trying to set up networking using "tap", which is a @ tunneling networking feature of linux (and other unices, AFAIK).  I Unfortunately, I can't help. I've not tried (still) TS10. I've been able  . to boot VMS on Bob Supnik's SIMH Vax emulator F <URL:http://simh.trailing-edge.com>, but it does not emulates (still) H ethernet devices, and it's quite hard to return to KERMIT to upload and ' download files from the virtual VAX :).e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 12:30:59 GMT(F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)- Subject: Re: Using IBM drives on alpha systemn0 Message-ID: <7S929.6$064.10251@news.cpqcorp.net>   In article <rdeininger-3107021829480001@1cust84.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:dI >In article <003301c2389e$0271b5f0$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>, "Hank Vanderi% >Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> wrote:- >-N >>I came into possesion of a bunch of IBM SCSI drives (model DCHS04F )  and am >>trying to get themN >>to init on an alpha station.  The system sees the drive and when booting VMSM >>I can show dev/full and it shows me the drive info.  But when I try to inittM >>it - I all I get is "Medium is offline".  Has anyone else used these driveseN >>or have any ideas what might have to be changed on them to make them work on >>this system ?? >aE >Um, you forgot to say what version of VMS you're running, and that'snE >likely the most important factor for getting SCSI drives working (or( >mostly working).' >   A At this point, it will probably also help if you say exactly what.= your hardware is: which alpha station, which SCSI controller,e, how it's cabled, and what else is connected.   -- c(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a.5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.u   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:05:50 -04000 From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com>- Subject: RE: Using IBM drives on alpha systemv; Message-ID: <000601c23975$4f24e4d0$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>y  K The system is a Alpha 4/233 with the built in SCSI controller it also has aC5 raid controller in it but not using that at this timea   I am trying to install 7.32 The box has a SCSI cdrom and this drive initially.K I have since put in a Seagate drive and loaded VMS on it just fine.  I have I tried disabling scsi parity and drive attention all with the same resultsi init dka100: disklH media is offline.    It also gives me an error msg saying dka0 (the bootL seagate drive) is offline and goes into mount verification and then remounts dka0:l* here is the page with the jumper settings:7 http://www.storage.ibm.com/hdd/support/dchs/dchs_ps.pdf-    I Got a free drive to anyone that can tell me what setting I need to set tor get these to work ! :)   Hank Vander Waal  / VMS - is there anything that DARES to compare??3! Unix  - for hackers - by hackers!  You get what you pay for !       -----Original Message----- From: Bart Z. Lederman6 [mailto:lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com]' Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:31 AMt To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como- Subject: Re: Using IBM drives on alpha systemn    J In article <rdeininger-3107021829480001@1cust84.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:I >In article <003301c2389e$0271b5f0$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>, "Hank Vanderc% >Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> wrote:i >dK >>I came into possesion of a bunch of IBM SCSI drives (model DCHS04F )  and1 am >>trying to get themJ >>to init on an alpha station.  The system sees the drive and when booting VMSSH >>I can show dev/full and it shows me the drive info.  But when I try to initF >>it - I all I get is "Medium is offline".  Has anyone else used these drivesK >>or have any ideas what might have to be changed on them to make them work  on >>this system ?? > E >Um, you forgot to say what version of VMS you're running, and that'srE >likely the most important factor for getting SCSI drives working (or0 >mostly working).i >t  A At this point, it will probably also help if you say exactly whatI= your hardware is: which alpha station, which SCSI controller,m, how it's cabled, and what else is connected.   --(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have as5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:17:25 +0200$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>" Subject: re: VMS training restarts+ Message-ID: <00A11D18.88896AAC.21@decus.de>u  E I had participated in such a course just in the fourth quarter of thes; year 2001; the Compaq Part Number of the course material isoE "EY-X836E-SG.0001", where "X836E" is equal to the course's number. It F was held by GFN in Munich, an authorized training partner of Compaq in Germany. So what's new with it?h    ' > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:29:38 +0200e/ > From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@FREE.FR>a  > Subject: VMS training restarts >   Q > I heard from a Compaq-a-HP-Company Manager that HPQ is producing a new training ; > course, entitled "OpenVMS Internals for System Managers".a >   $ > "Happy be the one who believes..." >    > D. > --4 >   ------------------------------------------------! > MORANDI Consultants  http://...      Michael5   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 02 12:42:28 +0200y) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)eQ Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?,) Message-ID: <agqexRCzm9zc@elias.decus.ch>H  P In article <3D4828E8.9C96432E@cha.ab.ca>, Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> writes:K > Our cluster has four production Alpha nodes.  We have approx. 5,000 print.R > (LAT/LPD/TELSYM) and batch queues.  Back in 1997, we had a rogue process loopingR > for 16 hours which generated many thousands of print entries to a local printer.L > Before we were able to can the process, the highest queue entry number had > reached 1008000. > Q > Needless to say, access was ugly to the directory in which the print files were 
 > located.O > It took a long time, but eventually, the queue entries came back down to fourd	 > digits.t > M I too have seen the entry number get into 7 digits due to a looping job. Thatu- also "sorted itself out" within a day or two.o  M I also used to work with a cluster which did 140,000 print jobs a day, spreaddO across 2 shifts. Each print job was driven by a batch job, doubling that figurea= in terms of queue manager entries. It was extremely reliable.d __
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