1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 02 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 422       Contents:0 Re: Bad shadowing and SCSI bus error interaction Carl's birthday -- Yea!  Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!  Re: Compression on DLT backup  Re: Compression on DLT backup  Re: connection lost % Re: Cygwin/xfree86 and VMS/DecWindows * Re: DiskXcel vs OpenVMS 7.3 read cacheing? EVA class added & Filtering/moving Oracle OPCOM messages* Re: Filtering/moving Oracle OPCOM messages* Re: Filtering/moving Oracle OPCOM messages
 fuser for VMS $ Re: Help - Problem with keys in TPU.$ Re: Help - Problem with keys in TPU.$ Re: Help - Problem with keys in TPU.! Help MRU! Robot is not responding % Re: Help MRU! Robot is not responding  RE: Hobbyist VAX Distro  Re: Hobbyist VAX Distro  Re: KLEZ SPAMMER ALERT KLEZ SPAMMER ALERT Re: More about BITnet 4 Re: More about BITnet (was: Jnet Programming Manual) mount shad/include question  Re: mount shad/include question % Re: No Andrew, slowaris can't be VMS! ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow < Re: OpenVMS.org, Terry Shannon knows XYZ and Evereybody here< Re: OpenVMS.org, Terry Shannon knows XYZ and Evereybody here* Re: PCMCIA network card support in OpenVMS8 Re: Powerstorm 300 and Alpha PC 164 with OVMS 7.3 (long)% Robust exception handler context in C ) Re: Robust exception handler context in C ) Re: Robust exception handler context in C < Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)< Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)< Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)% Re: Running an .EXE from a .COM file. ' Re: TS10 Vax and Ethernet - please help ' Re: TS10 Vax and Ethernet - please help ' Re: TS10 Vax and Ethernet - please help / Re: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid $ RE: Using IBM drives on alpha system$ RE: Using IBM drives on alpha systemH Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:10:33 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>9 Subject: Re: Bad shadowing and SCSI bus error interaction 5 Message-ID: <1020801175757.6055B-100000@Ives.egh.com>   $ On 1 Aug 2002, Paul Repacholi wrote:  $ > John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: > H > > The 2nd problem is why doesn't volume shadowing hide this error fromF > > the user apps?  Shouldn't it either declare DKI100: dead, and dropG > > it from the shadow set, or retry (which seems to succeed, since the  > > drive is running fine now)?  > @ > Shadowing returns the bad news on writes, and the good news on > reads....  > ? > On a read, any member that can return the correct data, fine.  > @ > On a write, we NEED to know if we have an error. else we wouldA > silently end up with a 0 unit shadow set and no notice :( When  @ > it returns to you, it must have expelled the unit, written the> > data, or had the IO canceled. Anything else is a massive bug > waiting to kill your data!!   < *WE* need to know, but the application sure as hell doesn't!  8 Shadowing is supposed to hide hardware failures from the application.  > Put it in the error log, tell OPCOM, send an emergency message< to the console, put the shadow set into mount verify and let> a human sort it out, do whatever it takes, but don't blow away the application!  : Suppose there is a more traditional error, such as a power7 failure on one of the disk cabinets or at one site of a : wide-area cluster.  The drive goes offline, and the shadow9 driver, AFAIK, is supposed to drop it from the shadow set : and continue.  Are you claiming that if the next I/O after8 the power failure happens to be a read, the read will be< satisfied from a working member, and the power-failed member8 will be dropped from the shadow set, but if the next I/O; happens to be a write, then the application will receive an ; error (even though the data may have already been writen to < the non-failed members of the shadow set, since the relative? order of writes can't be assumed)?  It just throws up its hands < and surrenders?  What use is shadowing, if this is the case?  > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.         --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 14:11:37 -0700 ' From: mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka)   Subject: Carl's birthday -- Yea!= Message-ID: <6b70c71c.0208011311.447b0578@posting.google.com>   ? Just wanted to remind the faithful, that Carl J. Lydick's birth B anniversary is coming up and that y'all should celebrate the event appropriately.  D For those who don't know what this is all about...hang tight and see if anyone goes ballistic.   @ For the remaining few infidels...it's not _my_ fault your mother dresses you funny.  > As for content...I recall barbs directed at the evil MicrosoftD including the idea of crash-counts approaching a level of irritationB comparable to say jock-itch on a sweaty summer day.  VMS pros were comparing continuous up-times.  A I was wondering, and someone here might know -- would PC hardware D (cheap, I know, but look at it in the short run, like 5 years old orF less) have the same reliability as VAX hardware, where the software is never the cause of a crash?   D And the related question -- would Linux or some other software (DOS,C CPM, ....) running on the same PC in place of M$ stuff have greater  reliability, longer up-times?     >   Mark (Currently on the streets in lower Manhattan...on  the 	 streets.)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 01:12:22 GMT  From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> $ Subject: Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!2 Message-ID: <87heie9htv.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  ) mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) writes:   A > Just wanted to remind the faithful, that Carl J. Lydick's birth D > anniversary is coming up and that y'all should celebrate the event > appropriately.  F Noted. Without Googling, can you tell me what a kiloGavron is and what it measures?  C > I was wondering, and someone here might know -- would PC hardware F > (cheap, I know, but look at it in the short run, like 5 years old orH > less) have the same reliability as VAX hardware, where the software is > never the cause of a crash?   A It's a difficult question to answer, even assuming you mean Alpha C hardware. As you know, the CPU is only one of many sub-systems, and C components of sub-systems may be manufactured by less-than-reliable C vendors. Also, much of your MTTF may be influenced by power quality : and power cycling (comparing usage on the desktop to glassD room). Because Dec/Compaq/HP have never sold VAX/Alpha technology to< the mass-market, because they never felt impelled to produceD technology that would compete in that price/performance space, we'llC probably never really have an objective(!) answer to your question.   F > And the related question -- would Linux or some other software (DOS,E > CPM, ....) running on the same PC in place of M$ stuff have greater  > reliability, longer up-times?    The signature says it all:   --   Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:26:22 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>& Subject: Re: Compression on DLT backup5 Message-ID: <1020801181357.6055C-100000@Ives.egh.com>   * On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Virginia Rogers wrote:   > Q > We have a TZ89 tape drive which is installed in our StorageWorks disk cabinet.  K > I'm performing disk backups from an AlphaServer 1000 which is running VMS 	 > V7.2-1.  > R > My question is, why can I not fit more than about 30Gb on one tape?  I'm using aQ > DLT IV tape.  It doesn't seem to make any difference whether I have compression R > set or not (either with the button on the front panel of the drive, or using theM > /media_format=compaction qualifier with the INIT and BACKUP commands).  The Q > files that I'm backing up are image files which should be able to be compressed Q > (using 'compress' on unix I can compress an image file by 40%).  I'm backing up I > 35GB disks and would like to be able to fit the whole disk on one tape.  > > > This is what the tape device looks like with a tape mounted:
 > ----------- M > Magtape PN1A$MKA200:, device type TZ89, is online, allocated, deallocate on P > dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented device, errorP > logging is enabled, device is busy, controller supports compaction (compaction% > enabled), device supports fastskip.  > 8 > Error count 2             Operations completed 87591996 > Owner process "_FTA19:"   Owner UIC  [STAFF,VROGERS]8 > Owner process ID 2D400306 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W5 > Reference count 4         Default buffer size 32768  > 1 > Volume label "IMGB02"     Relative volume no. 0 / > Record size  0            Transaction count 1 ) > Mount status Process      Mount count 1  > ACP process name  "", > Density  TK89             Format Normal-11 >  > Volume status:  odd parity. 
 > ----------- 	 > Thanks,  > Virginia Rogers   > A bunch of the various mount/driver/scsi/backup ECO's affected? compaction.  I think either the driver forgot the setting under A various circumstances (you would mount the tape with /compaction, > but some later event would clear the "compaction enabled" bit,? so the driver would then start writing in uncompacted mode, and = you would see the "compacted" state change spontaneously), or = it would neglect to actually set the hardware to the mode you = had requested (it would show as "compaction enabled", but the = tape would be writen un-compacted.)  Which ECO's do you have?   < Also, the TK89 is a distant descendant of the TK50, which is; a streaming drive.  To avoid stop/start cycles, if the data = is arriving a little slower than the drive requires, it would ? write null blocks on the tape (which are skipped on read-back). : I don't know if the TK89 still does the same thing, but if; the 1000A can't pump data to it fast enough, there could be ; a lot of wasted space on the tapes.  Is the tape drive on a < SCSI bus by itself, or is something else contending with it?@ Is there a lot of other disk access going on during the backups,< or does it basically have the system to itself?  This effect? can be minimized by giving BACKUP as much memory, I/O channels, ; and process quotas as possible.  There is info about tuning  the backup account in the docs.    Hope this helps.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:20:57 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> & Subject: Re: Compression on DLT backup' Message-ID: <3D49F13B.BAC03342@fsi.net>    Virginia Rogers wrote: > P > We have a TZ89 tape drive which is installed in our StorageWorks disk cabinet.K > I'm performing disk backups from an AlphaServer 1000 which is running VMS 	 > V7.2-1.  > F > My question is, why can I not fit more than about 30Gb on one tape?   H Make sure you're using /MEDIA=COMPACT on your BACKUP commands as well as8 onthe INITIALIZE. BACKUP may be turning compression off.  D Also, understand that hardware compression uses different algorithms@ than does something like ZIP, GZIP or BZIP. I prefer to estimateH conservatively what I can get on a tape, so I use samples of compressionD via DCX (usually play some games with LIBR/COMPRESS) to see how muchH stuff can be squeezed down. DCX is not particularly good compression, so, it gives me a good "worst case" guesstimate.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:53:47 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: connection lost5 Message-ID: <1020801174124.6055A-100000@Ives.egh.com>   ( On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Hamid Bourchi wrote:   > Hello, > H > We are running on Alpha 1000A/OpenVms 7.2 and since a month ago we are% > experincing 'Connection lost' error M > under our terminal emulators (Acadia) and sometimes it doesn't react on our G > keyboard for a few seconds. This happens almost everyday a few times. L > From Pinging our server we can see that sometimes the server doesn'n react% > on ping request (Request timed out) 4 > We checked our network and it seems to works fine. >  > Any idea?   K Look at the network counters in LANCP or MCR NCL SHOW CSMA-CD STATION * ALL   C Are any network OPCOM messages getting logged?  Especially ethernet  (CSMA-CD) messages?   G What network hardware exists between the Alpha and the client terminal  F emulator?  (Local or WAN?  Hubs, switches, routers, etc?  What kind ofD cabling (thin-wire, thick-wire, twisted-pair)?  Network speed (10Mb, 100Mb, any backbones, etc.)?    A Do you have a 100Mb ethernet card?  If so, make sure its settings C agree with whatever switch/hub it is plugged into.  Autonegotiation C isn't reliable, in my experience.  If the card is set to 100Mb Full B duplex (FastFD mode in the console), and the switch is set or setsC itself to 100Mb Half Duplex, things will seem to work fine when the > network isn't too busy, but you will get framing and alignmentA errors when packets collide.  Network throughput will go way down  when this happens.  @ With some unmanaged switches, you can't explicitly set the speed@ and duplex, but if you unplug the cable for about 30 seconds, it8 will reset itself, and autonegotiation may then succeed.  = If you are using 100Mb Full Duplex, and are sure it is really = running that way on both sides, try backing off to 100Mb Half ; Duplex, which will be slightly slower, but may work better.    HTH.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:20:02 GMT  From: Jordi Guillaumes Pons . Subject: Re: Cygwin/xfree86 and VMS/DecWindows, Message-ID: <3D498337.4030403@nospam.please>   Tom Adams wrote:G > I am having trouble figuring out how I can reconfigure xfree86 to get # > a vt100 style keyboard functions.     F I've written this little file (I call it xmodmap.dec). It provides me I with SOME vt220 keys. I update it more or less "as needed", so there are  C a lot of missing things (and, btw, I use a spanish keyboard, and a  ; laptop keyboard, which is even more... ehem... special :)):     D keycode 34      =       grave asciicircum bracketleft dead_abovering keycode 77      =       KP_F1  keycode 112     =       KP_F2  keycode 63      =       KP_F3  keycode 82      =       KP_F4 + keycode 75      =       F9  Help    F21 F21 + keycode 76      =       F10 Execute F22 F22 / keycode 103     =       Select End  Help    End 0 keycode 97      =       Find   Home Execute Home  F You can get the "keycode" number using the "xev" program, and you can 5 load the modified keymap using the "xmodmap" command.    Hope that this helps.    JG   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 14:52:11 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 3 Subject: Re: DiskXcel vs OpenVMS 7.3 read cacheing? = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0208011352.540bc4b7@posting.google.com>   e Keith Brown <kbrown2720@NOSPAMattbi.com> wrote in message news:<KGn%8.621829$352.132778@sccrnsc02>... L > The data files I need to cache are 600MB in size and about will range from= > 80 to 100 in number. Some are obviously hotter than others.   ' Are these RMS files?  If so, read on...   F Are they used by multiple processes at once?  If so, I'd look into RMSD Global Buffers on the hotter files as one promising option.  You canA use $SET FILE/STATISTICS to enable statistics-gathering, then use E $MONITOR RMS/FILE=xxx/ITEM=ALL to look at I/O rates and RMS cache hit  rates.  A Also, RMS in VMS versions 7.2-1H1 and later had reductions in the0E number of locks needed for read I/Os, so that might be another reasonbD to consider upgrading (or at least seeing if a later RMS ECO kit for" 7.2-1 might contain this feature).: ----------------------------------------------------------: Keith Parris | parris <at> DECUServe <dot> decus <dot> org   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:04:45 -0500( From: "Boyles,Alan" <ABOYLES@cerner.com> Subject: EVA class addedM Message-ID: <D15ED542E12BD3119FFE00805F6551F00E8C5DEB@mailwhqnews.cerner.com>   E An additional Storageworks class has been added which will be held on.H Sep 12-13 ( Thursday - Friday ) which will train support personal on theF Configuration of the new EVA Storageworks box.  The Class ID is 514488/ and is now available on the Training Website.      ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:57:29 -0500q. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>/ Subject: Filtering/moving Oracle OPCOM messageso. Message-ID: <3D46FDB9.44EF0126@pressenter.com>  H On my system (Alpha VMS 7.2-1) a bunch of Oracle messages are showing up in OPCOM... (operator.log)  H While I don't mind these messages, on my test system, these messages addE up to .... oh.... 95% of the messages.... This is nice, but sometimeso) I'd rather look at only the remaining 5%.o   So..  F How can I redirect/filter/move/divert (or any other term you'd like to, use) move these messages to another file....  H Is there a logical? Setting somewhere? I asked the DBAs and they haven't7 found anything yet... I thought I'd ask here as well...      Thanks in advance,   Lyndon     --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of mya	 employer.e    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't! have to look at the horse's butt.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 01:29:55 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>n3 Subject: Re: Filtering/moving Oracle OPCOM messagesm' Message-ID: <3D49C473.69946975@aaa.com>   ! Oracle "classic" or Oracle Rdb ??h   Jan-Erik Sderholm   Lyndon Bartels wrote:p > J > On my system (Alpha VMS 7.2-1) a bunch of Oracle messages are showing up > in OPCOM... (operator.log) >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:39:48 -0500n. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>3 Subject: Re: Filtering/moving Oracle OPCOM messages7. Message-ID: <3D49AAA4.5064C26A@pressenter.com>  C I have to post a reply to my own posting.... My ISP must have had a G serious problem with their news server, for when I connected in tonight G there were only 20 or so postings... total... on the c.o.v. newsgroup.    C If there were any replies to my previous posting, they were lost...    sorry.    F Anyway,  I haven't found any answers yet. Colorado says... it can't be done from a VMS perspective.    B So now I'm holding out hope that there's a logical that or setting within Oracle that can be set.  D To answer one question the version of Oracle is 7.3.3.6.... I think.- 7.3.something anyway.  And 8i in the future.       Again,  7 Thanks in advance, and I apologize for any inconvience.      Lyndon   -- eG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my,	 employer.p    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't! have to look at the horse's butt.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:18:41 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzy Subject: fuser for VMS% Message-ID: <3d49a4b0.249505580@news>b  	 Hi Chaps,   7 We have a compiled version of fuser running on our VAX.s> This utility can either list or kill the processes that have aC particular file open. we use it to remove any users still logged in  when the overnight jobs start.  D It may be that someone here, many moons ago, got the unix source andE made the changes. Trouble is they're now all long gone and I'm tryinge to get stuff moved to Alpha.  @ Does anyone know if a port of this utility was done and if it is available anywhere?O   TIAn   Rob.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:13:48 GMTt1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>m- Subject: Re: Help - Problem with keys in TPU.r' Message-ID: <3D49EF90.A63742A6@fsi.net>    > "Kaledas, Ronald" wrote: > G > Actually, com files only need "E" access for someone to run them, not H > "R".  Read access allows non-priv users to copy and type the com file, > Execute-only does not.  D Um, better check that. Last time I tried that, RE access was needed.E (Unlike UN*X, you need read access to DCL proc.'s in order to executeeF them using "@" where on UN*X, x permission will do.) Don't confuse DCL- command indirection with the image activator.0   -- 9 David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 13:43:03 +0010u% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auC- Subject: Re: Help - Problem with keys in TPU.p5 Message-ID: <01KKTOQIQXEQ000UPX@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>l   David J. Dachtera wrote:   >> "Kaledas, Ronald" wrote:g >> tH >> Actually, com files only need "E" access for someone to run them, notI >> "R".  Read access allows non-priv users to copy and type the com file,c >> Execute-only does not.v >ME >Um, better check that. Last time I tried that, RE access was needed.iF >(Unlike UN*X, you need read access to DCL proc.'s in order to executeG >them using "@" where on UN*X, x permission will do.) Don't confuse DCLi. >command indirection with the image activator.  K I cannot check this without setting myself up with a new account, since my bO development account also has READALL.  However, I have some memory of problems  @ that users experienced and we came to the following conclusions.  5 1).  A .com file only needs E if on the same cluster.v4 2).  A .com file needs RE if on a different cluster.  ? For the purpose above, "cluster" also implies a single machine.   O 3).  If $ set verify is on, I forget what happens for 1).  It might need RE to a' even run, or it might run without echo.r  N If someone can correct or affirm my memory, I'd be interested, otherwise I'll + create an account over the weekend to test.t   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:46:06 -0400t( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>- Subject: Re: Help - Problem with keys in TPU.u, Message-ID: <3D4A007E.5010506@tsoft-inc.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote:   >>"Kaledas, Ronald" wrote: >>G >>Actually, com files only need "E" access for someone to run them, not H >>"R".  Read access allows non-priv users to copy and type the com file, >>Execute-only does not. >> > F > Um, better check that. Last time I tried that, RE access was needed.G > (Unlike UN*X, you need read access to DCL proc.'s in order to executesH > them using "@" where on UN*X, x permission will do.) Don't confuse DCL/ > command indirection with the image activator.e >  > + So, how long ago was that 'last time' Dave?u    2 On my VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.2:    Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]  D DFE.DIR;1                       7/9       [DFE]       (RWE,RWE,RE,E)  
 $ di t.com   Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[DFE]r  F T.COM;3                         1/1       [DFE]       (RWED,RWED,RE,E)  P So, I've got 'E' world access on the directory, and 'E' world access on the COM N file.  Let's see what happens when I invoke it from a non-prived user account  from another group.p   DFEACCT> di disk0:[dfe]t.com   Directory DKA0:[DFE]  N T.COM;3                  insufficient privilege or object protection violation  M Nope, can't read the file, or even see directory information, other than the  O file name.  Sometimes I think this is a security problem.  If there is no read gQ access, then even learning that the file exists may be too much.  But, I digress.r     DFEACCT> @disk0:[dfe]t No    O I invoke the command file successfully.  Doesn't do much, just prints 'Yes' if  < 'P1' is 'true', so it worked with just world 'E' protection.   $ wso :== write SYS$OUTPUT $ if P1  $ then wso "Yes" $ else wso "No"n $ endifr $ exit  Q As for the protection on SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM and such, I really don't have a rL problem with users seeing what is done automatically for them.  I'm not the N director of security at Sandia Labs.  (Based upon recent events, I hope I'm a  bit better than that.)  :-)o   Dave   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:21:02 +0800) From: "Steven Xie" <r33300@email.mot.com>l* Subject: Help MRU! Robot is not responding+ Message-ID: <aicmqr$t1k$1@newshost.mot.com>    Hello there,  H I have one OpenVMS box (ES40, Vms 7.2-1, Media Robot Utility V1.4-1). OnJ this system I have one DLT891 tape library attached and I'm try to use MRUJ to control the tapes. I have created the device GKA501 (The tape device isE MKA500), However it doesn't work. The error message shows like below.n  D ROBOT gka501: is not responding: Robot illegal request. SENSE KEY:5, ASC:25,ASCQ:0.  K I have also created a device named gka500, this one shows "device offline".e  - Dose anybody there has the experience before?    Thanks,l Steven   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:49:35 +0200. From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si>. Subject: Re: Help MRU! Robot is not responding- Message-ID: <J0p29.22$EM5.1541@news.siol.net>:   Hi,a  4 "Steven Xie" <r33300@email.mot.com> wrote in message% news:aicmqr$t1k$1@newshost.mot.com...c > Hello there, >eJ > I have one OpenVMS box (ES40, Vms 7.2-1, Media Robot Utility V1.4-1). OnL > this system I have one DLT891 tape library attached and I'm try to use MRUL > to control the tapes. I have created the device GKA501 (The tape device isG > MKA500), However it doesn't work. The error message shows like below.  >nF > ROBOT gka501: is not responding: Robot illegal request. SENSE KEY:5, > ASC:25,ASCQ:0. >e  L Do you have SCSI cabling done properly? By default robot is not connected to" SCSI bus. You need a jumper cable.L Also check library setup (SCSI address of the robot and drives. On this typeL of library I think (could be mistaken) that robot has it's own SCSI address.  J Also check if the library is in RANDOM mode and not in SEQUENTIAL as later# meens thar library acts as stacker.n   Hope this help,l   Gorazd   --4 ----------------------------------------------------
 Gorazd Kikeljd OpenVMS system support Aster d.o.o. e-mail: gorazd.kikelj@aster.si www:  www.aster.si   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:29:48 GMTs1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>y  Subject: RE: Hobbyist VAX Distro' Message-ID: <3D49F34D.A9C9C667@fsi.net>   9 (I munged some e-mail addresses to protect the innocent.)e   -----Original Message-----< From: John Wisniewski [mailto:wisniewski@nospam.vmsone.com] ( Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:43 AM To: Dachtera, David56 Cc: 'David L. Cathey'; 'john.wisniewski@nospam.hp.com'  Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX Distro   David,    Always nice to hear from you...   E We're working on a 7.3 VAX and the 7.3-1 Alpha distributions and will E have them by September.   (7.3-1 is just now going to final check andsD distribution which has been the delay...)   7.3-1 Alpha was a movingG target and we waited  perhaps a little too long on this refresh for thee Hobbyist Distribution.  F Look for an announcement shortly or if you'd like to break the news toH comp.os.vms feel free to do so.  We will honor all orders placed throughD the website.  If there is an urgent request we will CD-R the 7.2 VAX cdroms for the customers.    All my best,   John Wisniewskio   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsw http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/C   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 03:20:32 GMTr2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>  Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX Distro, Message-ID: <aictq001d53@enews4.newsguy.com>   John Wisniewski wrote:G > We're working on a 7.3 VAX and the 7.3-1 Alpha distributions and will-G > have them by September.   (7.3-1 is just now going to final check and F > distribution which has been the delay...)   7.3-1 Alpha was a movingI > target and we waited  perhaps a little too long on this refresh for theh > Hobbyist Distribution.  L Well, I for one am *VERY* happy that they are waiting for V7.3-1 for the newH Alpha release, and I'm looking forward to it.  I'll be getting both, but2 mainly for whatever layered products they include.  L Any chance of getting All-in-1 (not the mail stuff we currently have) added  to V3 of the Hobbyist program?   			Zaner   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:58:09 -0400t+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>d Subject: Re: KLEZ SPAMMER ALERTe8 Message-ID: <q31jkukj17vepc97vdveljlsn9oqbu1e32@4ax.com>  4 On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:54:10 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote:   J >FYI I just received today's copy of Klez from some lamers who are in direE >need of a fast trial and an equally fast hanging in a public square.l  ' >abuse@g4.net appears to be the source.   F Probably not.  The annoying thing about Klez is that it fakes the From. address based on someone in your address book.   Stevei   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:54:10 GMTb1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>F Subject: KLEZ SPAMMER ALERTt/ Message-ID: <mtf29.726023$352.158582@sccrnsc02>f  I FYI I just received today's copy of Klez from some lamers who are in dire D need of a fast trial and an equally fast hanging in a public square.    7 "F-Secure give you the special W32.Klez.E removal toolspB W32.Klez.E is a special dangerous virus that spread through email.  : For more information,please visit http://www.F-Secure.com"      & abuse@g4.net appears to be the source.   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows HPCu" PLEASE NOTE MY *NEW* EMAIL ADDRESS email: terryshannon@attbi.como4 Web (info on SKHPC):  www.openvms.org, www.tru64.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:49:11 -0000  From: sword7@speakeasy.org Subject: Re: More about BITnet/ Message-ID: <ukjsp7h6o2pq43@corp.supernews.com>o  ( Carl Perkins <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote:C > The "R" in IRC is for "Relay". It was based, at least in part, on>C > Bitnet Relay (which was also sometimes called Bitnet Relay Chat).cA > Thus, it is not too surprising that Bitnet Relay was a lot like ; > IRC (or vice-versa) - at least for early versions of IRC.v  G Yeah. I was formerly BITNET user on Gally's VAX systems until 1990 (my eI graduation from Gallaudet University).  I used Relay to communicate with aH other people.  My old nickname was Picard (11TSTARK@GALLUA). Later, IRC J finally appeared on Internet.  It was very comparable with BITNET's Relay I servers.  also, I remember Xyzzy for VAX software.  I still have it here. ( Xyzzy chat client is designed for Relay.  F Recently I developed TS10 (VAX) emulator to run real OpenVMS operatingH systems without any modification.  It performs like VAX 8650 systems on  1.9 Ghz P4 system.  F I have a old copy of Jnet 3.6 software.  It worked so well on my TS10 I emulator with OpenVMS 7.2.  I discovered that Jnet programming manual is dH not in Jnet 3.6 software!  It was in earlier versions.  That's why I am G looking for Jnet programming manual.   I have a copy of finger software C that supports many different networks include Jnet.  I learned someg, Jnet function calls like Jan_Hook_Init, etc.  F Well, I now remember that Peublo on PSUVMS system.  It was running so H well until system administrators asked Peublo developer to stop running E it due to resources.  It was about adventure-like chat program (like SI VMS Monster).  I was looking for a copy of Peublo for VAX but can't find  H it.  Long time ago, I asked developer for a copy but he refused to give  his copy to anyone.s   -- Tim Stark   --  , Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 19:43 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)u= Subject: Re: More about BITnet (was: Jnet Programming Manual)-, Message-ID: <1AUG200219435308@gerg.tamu.edu>  % Andy <acs@fcgnet.works.net> writes...-A }winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg  }Mgr") enlightened us with2 }news:00A11C43.58F4EC60@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU:  } 0 }> In article <$jUY8WMAYgyY@cuebid.zko.dec.com>,5 }> brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: b1 }>>"Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> writes:i, }>>> <sword7@speakeasy.org> wrote in message. }>>> news:uk6irdc2dq7vf8@corp.supernews.com... } A }>>There were other applications besides Finger that used RSCS; I-> }>>believe there were file transfer capabilities, as well as aC }>>real-time talk facility -- perhaps similar to IRC or AOL Instantm2 }>>Messaging; I've never used either of those two. } > }Ah... Relay. I remember it well..... :-). Channels (though it8 }might have been called something else) and everything.  } A }You could also connect directly to another BITNet user somewhereg@ }else (Vaguely Phone-like) with simple commands (OR at least the% }VMS versions were simple to use...) h } C }> I confirm the file transfer capabilities, as well as the ability / }> to print from VMS on printers owned by VM.  s@ }> It did have an instant-message-ish or IRCish talk capability,7 }> but it wasn't exactly real-time because BITnet was ah4 }> store-and-forward hub-and-spoke kind of network.  } B }It certainly felt "Real time". I always assumed that the time lagB }in conversations with people on the other side of the planet were? }due to the technology (slow netwoek connections ... maybe even  }satellite)  } 
 }> -- Alan }  }-Andy--  A The "R" in IRC is for "Relay". It was based, at least in part, on8A Bitnet Relay (which was also sometimes called Bitnet Relay Chat). ? Thus, it is not too surprising that Bitnet Relay was a lot like 9 IRC (or vice-versa) - at least for early versions of IRC.    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 12:16:08 -0700m# From: beantown31@hotmail.com (Evan) $ Subject: mount shad/include question< Message-ID: <47ab7ff7.0208011116.3bc7312@posting.google.com>  A I have a mount command like this:  $ MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIS/includev3 DSA18: /SHADOW=($1$DUA20:,$1$DUA30:,$1$dua31:) MGMT4  & I dismount a disk, $ dismount $1$dua31  6 The system crashes and I execute the original mount: $# MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIS/include DSA18: , /SHADOW=($1$DUA20:,$1$DUA30:,$1$dua31:) MGMT  E I'm hoping that $1$dua31 won't mount, but not getting that result, is 
 this correct?m   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:58:55 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com( Subject: Re: mount shad/include question? Message-ID: <OFB3E282EF.CEE399D4-ON85256C08.00729238@metso.com>t  D As you can see from the help file, the /INCLUDE qualifier forces theB very behavior you wish to avoid.  If you omit it or use /NOINCLUDEA the reconstruction will not occur and only those devices properlya8 dismounted as part of the shadow set will be reshadowed.  / (I do not know how this behaves with /CONFIRM.)t  ? I believe that  MOUNT/NOASSIST/OVERRIDE=(SHADOW) $1$dua31: MGMTh then DISMOUNT $1$DUA31:s: will make $1$DUA31 no longer a valid former shadow member.H If I am in error, will someone please restate the correct behavior here. ============   MOUNT   
   /INCLUDE  C        Automatically reconstructs a former shadow set to the way itvF        was before the shadow set was dissolved. Applicable only if youF        have the volume shadowing option. Refer to Volume Shadowing for        OpenVMS.   
        Formatd  G          /INCLUDE virtual-unit-name[:] /SHADOW=(physical-device-name[:]o [,...])g  I          /NOINCLUDE virtual-unit-name[:] /SHADOW=(physical-device-name[:]e [,...])t    %     Additional information available:s  !     Description           Exampley   MOUNT   
   /INCLUDE       DescriptionO  I          Automatically mounts and restores a shadow set to the way it was0I          before a system failure. Supply the exact virtual-unit name thatRE          was used when the shadow set was originally mounted. Use thei-          virtual-unit naming format DSAnnnn:.u  I          You must also include the /SHADOW qualifier and specify at leasteF          one of the disk devices from the original shadow set. Use theJ          standard device-naming format $allocation-class$ddcu[:]. Omit the1          parentheses if you name only one device.   F          The /INCLUDE qualifier is position independent; it can appear&          anywhere on the command line.  -          The default qualifier is /NOINCLUDE.a         MOUNT-  
   /INCLUDE       Examplew    8        $ MOUNT/INCLUDE DSA0: /SHADOW=$1$DUA10: SHADOWVOL3        %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, SHADOWVOL mounted on DSA0:-J        %MOUNT-I-SHDWMEMSUCC, _$1$DUA10: (MEMBER1) is now a valid member of        the shadow set:I        %MOUNT-I-SHDWMEMCOPY, _$1$DUA11: (MEMBER2) added to the shadow seta        with a copy operation  D            This example shows how to create a shadow set wherein theH            software determines automatically the shadow set members thatG            should be mounted. The /SHADOW qualifier ensures the correctlG            copy operation for the two shadow set members. In this case,sH            $1$DUA10 is the more current volume and becomes the source of*            the copy operation to $1$DUA11.  E            If the shadow set was properly dismounted and no write I/O B            requests remain outstanding, the shadow set devices areD            consistent and are added back without the need for a copyF            or merge operation. Otherwise, Volume Shadowing for OpenVMS<            automatically performs a copy or merge operation.              7 beantown31@hotmail.com (Evan) on 08/01/2002 03:16:08 PMr  / Please respond to beantown31@hotmail.com (Evan)s   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:I' Subject:    mount shad/include questionn    A I have a mount command like this:  $ MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIS/includeo3 DSA18: /SHADOW=($1$DUA20:,$1$DUA30:,$1$dua31:) MGMT   & I dismount a disk, $ dismount $1$dua31  6 The system crashes and I execute the original mount: $# MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIS/include DSA18: , /SHADOW=($1$DUA20:,$1$DUA30:,$1$dua31:) MGMT  E I'm hoping that $1$dua31 won't mount, but not getting that result, isU
 this correct?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:35:04 GMTs* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>. Subject: Re: No Andrew, slowaris can't be VMS!@ Message-ID: <IAj29.54531$cm.1852387@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:EHh+Grd8EH2P@eisner.encompasserve.org...n   ...   I >    VMScluster technology was ported into and is the core of TruClustershG >    in Tru64 UNIX.  HP has said they will drop Tru64, merging the bestoG >    features into HP-UX.  And TruCluster is one of those features thats% >    they've said will go into HP-UX.s  ) Right.  Just like SMT will appear in EV8.i  I HP has not, to date, shown any interest whatsoever in doing anything thatDI would disturb its own (pre-Compaq) customer base.  So while they may well E pick bits and pieces off Tru64's corpse, expecting them to throw away L HP-UX's existing clustering facilities (such as they are) and *replace* themI with something better (but different) is not all that much more realistic F than expecting them to throw away Itanic and replace it with something better (but different:  Alpha).   L And didn't someone observe a while ago that one of the components that wouldJ have made porting AdvFS (which was right alongside Tru64 clustering in theF 'merge' statement) - and perhaps Tru64 clustering as well - easier wasG itself not going to be ported?  If so, that just points out the need todL remain right up to date on HP's 'commitments':  they seem to change about as fast as Compaq's did.h   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 14:52:05 -0700e( From: univms@bigfoot.com (Hamlyn Mootoo)0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow= Message-ID: <9cf7e06d.0208011352.5efb9a18@posting.google.com>d  W Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> wrote in message news:<00A11D18.42321DD3.17@decus.de>...e  O > Any chance that there is a similar roadshow in Europe, too? Of course GermanyI > would be preferred ... :-) > 	 > Michael   E I attended the most recent one.  You're not really missing much.  But+B I have to say the pastrami was fresh and the croissants were quite good.i   HM   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:28:11 GMT ( From: Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net>E Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org, Terry Shannon knows XYZ and Evereybody hereb+ Message-ID: <3D49B687.E3BC618E@pacbell.net>r   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 1 > Reading the OpenVMS.org today I saw the face ofw0 > Terry Shannon ... so he is not a divine entity$ > as everybody used to suppose ! :-) > 0 > But I would like to know if we (from the list)- > would use OpenVMS.org as a "personal site",0- > for example, to have my personal profile aty
 > the site...t >  > www.openvms.org/fabiocardoso >  > or >  > www.openvms.org/daviddachterae >  > or >  > www.openvms.org/arneval$##@z > * > I think it would be the better place for/ > us of the OVMS community to put our profiles.J, > If Kenneth is able to make a standard form > for us to fill, etc ...t > O I like the idea. We could go there to find background on those we like or hate. < Plus potential customers could use it to find VMS expertise.   --     Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin (@alphase.com)e
 San Franciscoo   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:49:22 GMTa1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>hE Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org, Terry Shannon knows XYZ and Evereybody heren. Message-ID: <SVi29.116592$uh7.19019@sccrnsc03>  5 "Don Sykes" <annonymous@pacbell.net> wrote in messagey% news:3D49B687.E3BC618E@pacbell.net...I > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > >.3 > > Reading the OpenVMS.org today I saw the face of 2 > > Terry Shannon ... so he is not a divine entity& > > as everybody used to suppose ! :-)  J Which is probably just as well. Most divine entities don't bungee jump off/ 550 towers. They levitate and do similar stuff.   J Now Charlie Matco, HE's a Divine Entity. He's about due to put out another magnum opus.  J The only claim I make is that I do my damndest to be accurate, I report myJ inaccuracies, and I'll stack my track record up against any Armani Analyst
 on the block!4   > > 2 > > But I would like to know if we (from the list)/ > > would use OpenVMS.org as a "personal site",4/ > > for example, to have my personal profile at  > > the site...e > >e  > > www.openvms.org/fabiocardoso > >- > > or > >n! > > www.openvms.org/daviddachteraa > >o > > or > >t > > www.openvms.org/arneval$##@  > >o, > > I think it would be the better place for1 > > us of the OVMS community to put our profiles. . > > If Kenneth is able to make a standard form > > for us to fill, etc ...a > >VK > I like the idea. We could go there to find background on those we like or3 hate.u> > Plus potential customers could use it to find VMS expertise.  K Ken is a prety reasonable guy and a strong VMS supporter. I can't speak fortA him, but I betcha if you ran the idea by him, he would go for it.r  I A corollary benefit is that such a ploy might drive more traffic to Ken'se& site, and get him some respect in HPQ!   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:40:02 GMTD From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net>s3 Subject: Re: PCMCIA network card support in OpenVMS 2 Message-ID: <87lm7q9jbt.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  4 David Richardson <DRichardson@interbaun.com> writes:  4 > Is any PCMCIA network card supported in OpenVMS?   > J > I have a hobbyist Alphastation 200 4/233 (7.2-2 currently) with a PCMCIAG > slots in the back and would like to add a second network card.  I was3A > hoping that something like the D-Link 660+ series would work.  a > / > Does any card work, without being supported?   >  > --  H > Microsoft:  The "Would you like fries with that" of the IT profession. >  > David Richardson > DRichardson@interbaun.como  : I have one of these, currently running Debian Linux 3.0...  B I heard through the grapevine that these systems were intended forA Hughes, and the PCMCIA slot was designed for a security card. Thes8 systems originally were intended to run NT. You may haveD observed the slot's reported from SRM. I don't know if it's a type I or II.   According toK http://websumer.medoc-ias.u-psud.fr/doc/odl/openvms/ssb71/6486/6486p009.htm	  = it's supported on the AlphaBook. Maybe the the support on the2+ AlphaStation was copied from that platform.i     -- l Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:39:14 -0500 ( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>A Subject: Re: Powerstorm 300 and Alpha PC 164 with OVMS 7.3 (long)v, Message-ID: <3D49FEE2.5020704@speakeasy.net>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:B > OK.  No hint.  The P300/350 is not supported on non-EV6 systems. >  >   I Which is a shame; they're much much easier to find for reasonable prices hB than a 4D20, and PWS systems seem to be the easiest to get in the H aftermarket these days.  4D20s are unobtanium, ZLXp-E# cards won't work I in PWS's, and that bloody screen jittering from the 4D10T (Elsa) card is E giving me a headache.g  H I know its an old complaint, with nothing to be done about it any more, G but it sure would have been nice if the card support had been a little  H more generous along the way, as it was in DUnix and that foreign OS.  A 6 Matrox G200 in my PWS under OpenVMS would be heavenly.   Rich   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 17:47:52 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)p. Subject: Robust exception handler context in C3 Message-ID: <LISInuJAqqMf@eisner.encompasserve.org>N  ; I am trying to enhance an existing program written in the C = programming language.  Since C lacks uplevel addressing, I am-@ trying to figure out how to pass context to an exception handler! using only stack local variables.:  ' 	In Bliss I would use an Enable Actual.p  : 	In Ada I would just declare a local variable in the scope' 	where I declare the exception handler.I   How does one do this in DEC C ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 01:18:34 GMTh From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> 2 Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C2 Message-ID: <87d6t29hj7.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   = > I am trying to enhance an existing program written in the Ct? > programming language.  Since C lacks uplevel addressing, I am1B > trying to figure out how to pass context to an exception handler# > using only stack local variables.  > ) > 	In Bliss I would use an Enable Actual.r > < > 	In Ada I would just declare a local variable in the scope) > 	where I declare the exception handler.t > ! > How does one do this in DEC C ?m  A I don't know if DEC/Compaq C has implemented try/catch. You might.D Google for try/catch implementations a la the "long answer" below. A) good starting point is http://www/cuj.com   * Otherwise, the short answer is, one can't.  5 The long answer is one can, but the solution requiresi6 establishing/hiding the required context using macros.   -- I Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:52:22 GMTs- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>t2 Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C* Message-ID: <3D49EF58.9020504@qsl.network>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:= > I am trying to enhance an existing program written in the Ct? > programming language.  Since C lacks uplevel addressing, I amgB > trying to figure out how to pass context to an exception handler# > using only stack local variables.e > ) > 	In Bliss I would use an Enable Actual.S > < > 	In Ada I would just declare a local variable in the scope) > 	where I declare the exception handler.- > ! > How does one do this in DEC C ?o  5 I am not exactly sure, but will try some suggestions.   D Since you said exception handler, I will assume that you mean a VMS B exception handler and not a C signal handler.  The principles are F probably the same, but I do not think that the two can share the same  stack frame.  H Apparently there is some reason that you can not use a static or global 	 variable.1  I Or would declaring a static variable in the module where you declare the RE exception handler be sufficient.  The "static" modifier prevents the nI variable from being visible outside of the module, but inside the module r$ it is effectively a global variable.  H Or is it that the routine could be invoked recursively or by concurrent  threads?  H In that case what you could use is a doubly linked list where you add a E pointer to the context each time you enter a routine, and pop it off l$ when you leave.  A bit messy though.  H The ability to nest procedures inside of procedures is something I miss  from Pascal.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion OnlyM   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 21:40:32 -0600e- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)mE Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)a3 Message-ID: <6l0$xIVa1ofd@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  T In article <87d6t29hj7.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>, sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes:1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:f > > >> I am trying to enhance an existing program written in the C@ >> programming language.  Since C lacks uplevel addressing, I amC >> trying to figure out how to pass context to an exception handlerT$ >> using only stack local variables. >> o* >> 	In Bliss I would use an Enable Actual. >> l= >> 	In Ada I would just declare a local variable in the scopei* >> 	where I declare the exception handler. >> d" >> How does one do this in DEC C ? > 9 > I don't know if DEC/Compaq C has implemented try/catch.-  1 "Try/Catch" sounds like one is talking about C++.,  @ As luck would have it, this program really is compiled with C++.  C But looking at Chapter 15 (Exception Handling) of The Annotated C++y@ Reference Manual by Ellis and Stroustrup I see try-block only asF related to a throw-expression.  I do not have the luxury of specifyingE how the exception is generated -- it comes from a general purpose VMSu9 RTL routine (LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, if you must know :-).3  @ Can anyone say how the DEC C++ compiler use of Try/Catch relatesD to general VMS exception handling ?   I have given up trying to findE anything useful in the DEC C++ documentation -- it seems to lack evenaE a Language Reference Manual and does not even cover those features ofD$ DEC C++ that are identical to DEC C.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 03:48:51 GMTh From: lbohan@dbc..spamless..com E Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really) 8 Message-ID: <vvvjkuorijni0l45r3v8bpiofl1apc9v2t@4ax.com>  E On 1 Aug 2002 21:40:32 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)c wrote:  U >In article <87d6t29hj7.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>, sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes:i2 >> Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >> s? >>> I am trying to enhance an existing program written in the CtA >>> programming language.  Since C lacks uplevel addressing, I amhD >>> trying to figure out how to pass context to an exception handler% >>> using only stack local variables.S >>> + >>> 	In Bliss I would use an Enable Actual.l >>> > >>> 	In Ada I would just declare a local variable in the scope+ >>> 	where I declare the exception handler.  >>> # >>> How does one do this in DEC C ?y >> n: >> I don't know if DEC/Compaq C has implemented try/catch. >h2 >"Try/Catch" sounds like one is talking about C++. > A >As luck would have it, this program really is compiled with C++.  > D >But looking at Chapter 15 (Exception Handling) of The Annotated C++A >Reference Manual by Ellis and Stroustrup I see try-block only asDG >related to a throw-expression.  I do not have the luxury of specifying F >how the exception is generated -- it comes from a general purpose VMS: >RTL routine (LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, if you must know :-). >mA >Can anyone say how the DEC C++ compiler use of Try/Catch relates E >to general VMS exception handling ?   I have given up trying to find F >anything useful in the DEC C++ documentation -- it seems to lack evenF >a Language Reference Manual and does not even cover those features of% >DEC C++ that are identical to DEC C.y  - Could you perhaps elaborate on what you mean  3 by 'uplevel' addressing,  what sort of context you e< would like to pass, and (maybe) what problem this 'context'  would help solve?o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:38:41 -0500e7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>lE Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really) G Message-ID: <craigberry-3A73B2.23384101082002@news.directvinternet.com>$  3 In article <6l0$xIVa1ofd@eisner.encompasserve.org>,u/  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:D  ( > I do not have the luxury of specifyingG > how the exception is generated -- it comes from a general purpose VMSd; > RTL routine (LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, if you must know :-).   H I'm in a bit over my head so I don't know if this is what you need, but 9 here are references that may be useful (excuse wrappage):t  I <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/5763p054.html#vaxc_establish_  routine>  I <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/5763p011.html#sig_handle_vms_U ex_sec>e  I <http://public.activestate.com/cgi-bin/perlbrowse?filename=ext/DynaLoader 1 /dl_vms.xs&action=print&patch=&.cgifields=action>o  ) (look for VAXC$ESTABLISH in the last one)    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 05:15:50 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) . Subject: Re: Running an .EXE from a .COM file.5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-nMc3UjsG57gb@localhost>c  B On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:35:33 UTC, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  wrote:  " > Dave Weatherall wrote (in part): > H > >Most of my programming is in Fortran so when I embed a Fortran based % > >image in a .COM file I usually usee > >t$ > >$ DEFINE /USER FOR005 SYS$COMMAND > > I > >The advantage is that I can split READ (5,*) statements and ACCEPTs ifaE > >I need to. ACCEPT reads directly from SYS$COMMAND (IIRC). There's h: > >another advantage too but it escapes me for the moment. > >u  > >The /USER does its usual job. > >:I > >I have one big .COM which has many .EXE's so there I DEFINE at the toph > >and DEASSIGN on exit. > J > I would still be inclined to use a DEFINE/USER (or ASSIGN, depending on ? > personal preference) before each .EXE (some may not need it).w > O > My reason is that if one of the programs "crashes" and aborts the whole job, .M > in your case, the logical will still be defined, whereas in mine, not.  It dO > depends what other safeguards you have for a graceful exit from your command eM > file to clean these things up.  And, if this is the only thing you need to iL > clean up, /user would give simpler code than status checking to go to the  > DEASSIGN statement.t   Hi PaddyD                    I quite agree. In the case I mentioned I do have E central exit points that handle normal and accidental cases. There I  E do things such as logical name deassignment, restore original verify h) status, restore error-message status etc.f  ? When I think about it, however, there's definitely one logical uC definition in there that has no reason whatsoever not to be /USER. iE It's probably a hangover from the conversion from RSX to VMS. i.e. I p) didn't understand /USER when I did it :-)e   -- h Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 01:39:16 -0000  From: sword7@speakeasy.org0 Subject: Re: TS10 Vax and Ethernet - please help/ Message-ID: <ukjom4fkppvg96@corp.supernews.com>)  . John Clausen <jclausen@co.walker.tx.us> wrote:& > Ok, I am running TS10 on RedHat 7.2., > I have created the /dev/tap0 device using: > mknod /dev/tap0 c 36 16m* > I have also enabled the ethertap module: > insmod ethertaph  @ You created a file on wrong place.  Hmmm. ethertap is new to me.B I know about tun/tap software but ethertap looks like another new = software to me.  I used 'insmod tun' instead for Red Hat 7.2.8G Well, Thank you for information about new ethertap so that I will look o
 into that.  A Try 'mknod /dev/net/tun c 36 16' or modify TS10 sources.  Look in ' emu/socket.c or in dev/epp/* directory.c  E Yes, TS10 is my own PDP-10 and VAX emulator that I developed for two d@ years.  I am working on KL10 emulation.  Latest versions are at . my ftp site: ftp://ftp.firesword7.net/pub/ts10   -- Tim Stark   --  , Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:14:50 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: TS10 Vax and Ethernet - please help' Message-ID: <3D49EFCE.75250944@fsi.net>m   John Santos wrote: > [snip]0 > Wasn't the infamous tape-stretcher the TS11...  # I thought it was "tape shredder"...e   --   David J. Dachteram dba DJE Systemsz http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:30:25 -0000  From: sword7@speakeasy.org0 Subject: Re: TS10 Vax and Ethernet - please help/ Message-ID: <ukjrm1dkasvd13@corp.supernews.com>    John:t  E I researched through Internet about TUN/TAP drivers.  I learned that  @ ethertap is obsolete for new Universal TUN/TAP driver.  Look at 1 http://vtun.sourceforge.net for more information.s  F About a node file, try 'mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200' and 'insmod tun'.B Red Hat 7.2 already have tun/tap software as part of distribution.G I will update my ReadMe file to include information about how to createC" a node and install tun/tap driver.  D When you run ts10 before boot OpenVMS operating system, then create  ifconfig settings.   -- Tim Stark   -- n, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 17:05:46 -0700o1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 8 Subject: Re: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0208011605.668f7737@posting.google.com>l  r karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) wrote in message news:<25JUL02.16002420@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>...G > Tokyo-based company Scarabs has developed a prototype hard drive withrB > two heads, one a read-write head and the other a read-only head.  $ Connor made a dual-headed drive: see9 http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/op/actMultiple-c.html (and A http://www.fdml.com/03_mechanical.html for a description of theire patent).  C There's some (at least academic) interest in multiple-actuator diskdE drives because although disk drive capacities have grown dramaticallytC and data transfer rates have grown significantly over the years, astD bit density and rotational speeds (RPM) have increased, overall diskB access times have not improved nearly as fast as, for example, CPUF speeds.  In fact, if you look at the number of I/Os per second you canD do per gigabyte of data, the numbers have actually gotten worse over/ the past couple of decades, rather than better. : ----------------------------------------------------------: Keith Parris | parris <at> DECUServe <dot> decus <dot> org   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:15:00 GMT4F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)- Subject: RE: Using IBM drives on alpha systemg2 Message-ID: <o0e29.20$Rl4.531596@news.cpqcorp.net>  n In article <000601c23975$4f24e4d0$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>, "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> writes:L >The system is a Alpha 4/233 with the built in SCSI controller it also has a6 >raid controller in it but not using that at this time >iL >I have since put in a Seagate drive and loaded VMS on it just fine.  I haveJ >tried disabling scsi parity and drive attention all with the same results >init dka100: diskI >media is offline.    It also gives me an error msg saying dka0 (the bootdM >seagate drive) is offline and goes into mount verification and then remounts- >dka0:  B Assuming for the moment that you don't have two drives assigned to the same SCSI id:e  A Where did you obtain these drives, and are you sure they actually-> work?  Did whoever sold them to you have them running anywhere before sending them to you?1  ; Alpha 4/233 is not a completely unambiguous designation for:@ a system.  The actual full name for the system might be helpful.? Also a SHOW CONFIG at the console may also help, and a check toK: see that you have the current console and firmware loaded.  ? When you have the IBM drive plugged in, have you tried the TESTr@ command at the SRM prompt to see if it can read the drive?  (TheC exact command varies somewhat with hardware model, which is another,+ reason why exact designations are helpful.)t  B If the drive is properly formatted, and there are no ID conflicts,? and the drive is actually working, you should be able to accesse? it at the SRM console prompt, and you should also be able to dod? a MOUNT /FOREIGN when OpenVMS is running and at least dump somewB of the blocks on the drive.  If you can't do either, then there isD something seriously wrong with the hardware.  Just having the parityC jumper wrong would cause problems, but shouldn't stop everything atK9 the SRM prompt: you should at least get an error message.   C Is there any other system you can plug them into to see if the samee errors occur there?o -- w(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:09:55 -04000 From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com>- Subject: RE: Using IBM drives on alpha systemp; Message-ID: <000501c23997$68153360$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>   ; no same ID   seagate is 0   ibm drive is 100   cdrom is 400@3 system is a 400 4/233 minit tower box model pb522aan	 srm v 7.0e ncr810 scsi controller   no test option available  B going to check the drives out on a PC tonite and another ALPHA box	 (3000/??)t  / Thanks to all for responding to this thread !!!y      B Assuming for the moment that you don't have two drives assigned to the same SCSI id:l  A Where did you obtain these drives, and are you sure they actuallye> work?  Did whoever sold them to you have them running anywhere before sending them to you?s  ; Alpha 4/233 is not a completely unambiguous designation fore@ a system.  The actual full name for the system might be helpful.? Also a SHOW CONFIG at the console may also help, and a check to : see that you have the current console and firmware loaded.  ? When you have the IBM drive plugged in, have you tried the TESTs@ command at the SRM prompt to see if it can read the drive?  (TheC exact command varies somewhat with hardware model, which is anotherk+ reason why exact designations are helpful.)t  B If the drive is properly formatted, and there are no ID conflicts,? and the drive is actually working, you should be able to access ? it at the SRM console prompt, and you should also be able to do,? a MOUNT /FOREIGN when OpenVMS is running and at least dump somenB of the blocks on the drive.  If you can't do either, then there isD something seriously wrong with the hardware.  Just having the parityC jumper wrong would cause problems, but shouldn't stop everything at 9 the SRM prompt: you should at least get an error message.r  C Is there any other system you can plug them into to see if the same  errors occur there?u --(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 11:06:42 -0700 & From: chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG)Q Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?e= Message-ID: <dd3f0cb7.0208011006.19af1335@posting.google.com>e  f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<oEaN00xk0BVc@eisner.encompasserve.org>...h > In article <dd3f0cb7.0207311136.7c351e73@posting.google.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes: >  > > I > > Overall using the VMS batch queue system as a work flow manager workstG > > very well for us.  I do have a problem with random batch jobs beingnH > > getting queued up twice for the same time that I have been unable toE > > track down.  There's no bug in the job's resubmit logic and, yes, E > > there's a "if .not. $restart then -" before the reSUBMIT command.V > >  >  > < > 	To prevent this from ever happening use f$getqui and scanF > 	to make sure a future version of the job isn't on queue.  Likewise,@ > 	simpler would be to create a generic queue to manage and then? > 	from an execution queue check the generic queue to make surekM > 	it was empty prior to submitting the job.  Something like...<snip> 				Robx  F Yeah, we used to do something like this for all our jobs, and still doE for a couple jobs that would cause real problems if they were running F more than once. But we found that if the thousands of jobs we have all? loop through f$getqui()s everytime they run it slowed the queue B manager down considerably.  (To be fair this was on top of anotherC process that uses sys$getqui() every 10 minutes to scan through alll9 queues and all jobs to check if any jobs to are missing).p   JG   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 13:35:53 -0600r- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)eQ Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?-3 Message-ID: <1ryzgTAQONs1@eisner.encompasserve.org>L  f In article <dd3f0cb7.0208011006.19af1335@posting.google.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes:h > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<oEaN00xk0BVc@eisner.encompasserve.org>...i >> In article <dd3f0cb7.0207311136.7c351e73@posting.google.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes:r >> D >> > +J >> > Overall using the VMS batch queue system as a work flow manager worksH >> > very well for us.  I do have a problem with random batch jobs beingI >> > getting queued up twice for the same time that I have been unable tovF >> > track down.  There's no bug in the job's resubmit logic and, yes,F >> > there's a "if .not. $restart then -" before the reSUBMIT command. >> > . >> l >> n= >> 	To prevent this from ever happening use f$getqui and scannG >> 	to make sure a future version of the job isn't on queue.  Likewise,aA >> 	simpler would be to create a generic queue to manage and thenn@ >> 	from an execution queue check the generic queue to make sureN >> 	it was empty prior to submitting the job.  Something like...<snip> 				Rob > H > Yeah, we used to do something like this for all our jobs, and still doG > for a couple jobs that would cause real problems if they were runningcH > more than once. But we found that if the thousands of jobs we have allA > loop through f$getqui()s everytime they run it slowed the queuecD > manager down considerably.  (To be fair this was on top of anotherE > process that uses sys$getqui() every 10 minutes to scan through all ; > queues and all jobs to check if any jobs to are missing).a  E To absolutely avoid duplicates, use /RETAIN=ALWAYS and just _release_x> jobs on a routine basis rather than choosing to _submit_ them.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 14:04:14 -0600i+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)-Q Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?e3 Message-ID: <RcDIJ13ndcYk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <dd3f0cb7.0208011006.19af1335@posting.google.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes:h > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<oEaN00xk0BVc@eisner.encompasserve.org>...i >> In article <dd3f0cb7.0207311136.7c351e73@posting.google.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes:n >> y >> > tJ >> > Overall using the VMS batch queue system as a work flow manager worksH >> > very well for us.  I do have a problem with random batch jobs beingI >> > getting queued up twice for the same time that I have been unable to F >> > track down.  There's no bug in the job's resubmit logic and, yes,F >> > there's a "if .not. $restart then -" before the reSUBMIT command. >> > > >> K >> l= >> 	To prevent this from ever happening use f$getqui and scan G >> 	to make sure a future version of the job isn't on queue.  Likewise, A >> 	simpler would be to create a generic queue to manage and thenm@ >> 	from an execution queue check the generic queue to make sureN >> 	it was empty prior to submitting the job.  Something like...<snip> 				Rob > H > Yeah, we used to do something like this for all our jobs, and still doG > for a couple jobs that would cause real problems if they were runningmH > more than once. But we found that if the thousands of jobs we have allA > loop through f$getqui()s everytime they run it slowed the queuegD > manager down considerably.  (To be fair this was on top of anotherE > process that uses sys$getqui() every 10 minutes to scan through alle; > queues and all jobs to check if any jobs to are missing).  >     C 	Okay.  But it was/is a one-shot f$getqui call(s) prior to resubmitc 	for "safety."  = 	There are other methods.  What I am assuming is that you are @ 	doing the submit at the beginning so that if it bombs out later3 	(or gets whacked) there is a job out on the queue.a  C 	I could spend a lot of time showing a mostly foolproof method and MB 	not using f$getqui (using logicals) but I suspect if it was that A 	important (only having 1 job at a time running), you would have M! 	troubleshot and fixed it by now.a  9 	This is why schedulers sell.  Otherwise, you end up with/  	a lot of DCL pseudo-schedulers.  @ 	Finally, there is a very good CRON available.  Written entirely? 	in DCL.  I took the original VAX Pro version and tweeked it too> 	have a 1 minute increment just like the Eunuchs weenies have.     Sample crontab.dat:m  
 # crontab.dat)( # minute, hour, day, month, dow, commandI 12 25 22 1 4 submit/queue=sys$batch/noprint/log user10:[user.ryoung]t.com E 0 5 * * 5,6 purge/nolog/keep=5 the_base:[log] ! Friday Saturday purger #f # end crontab.datr    @ 	I had some Operator punk kill it off in Buenos Aires so I stuck0 	a routine in there to flip bits and make it an A 	undeletable/unsuspendable process.   Would have been precious tot; 	see his expression when he couldn't stop/id it anymore ;-)  	q   $!E $!      A modified version of a Cron taken from an old VAX Pro.  NotelD $!      that the original worked on an hourly basis.  This one worksK $!      on 5 (1 on Alpha) minute increments.  It will round to the nearest tA $!      5 (or 1) minutes to determine whether to run it or not.  lI $!      Commands will be SPAWNED unless SUBMIT is present in the command.. $!C $!      The author of this procedure is Upcasing the input command.p $!1 $!                      Rob Young    May 14, 1993h $!6 $!      Added make_invincible        February 11, 19947 $!      Added initialization         September 15, 1995 E $!                      Initialization will allow us to support cronspJ $!                      running from several nodes as it uses the nodenameJ $!                      as part of the crontab filename (if found uses it,: $!                      otherwise defaults to crontab.dat) $!5 $!      Changed day_of_week to reflect Unix behavior:  $!" $!      Sunday = 0 .. Saturday = 6 $!H $!      Modified wait_minute so that Cron now can do 1 minute increments6 $!      on Alpha's.                  February 17, 1998 $!; $! A VMS version of the UNIX cron facility.  Reads the filehL $! crontab.dat every 5 (1 Minute on Alpha) minutes and performs the commands$ $! according to the following rules: $!: $! each line contains 6 fields separated by tabs or spacesK $! The fields are minutes (0-60), hours (0-23), days (1-31), months (1-12),LF $! day of week (1-7) and command line. (unix has a minutes field too.)D $!                              so does this one now --^^^^^^^^^^^^^ $!G $! The number parameters can be one of these: (can mix and match types)F( $!    single number    - matches exactly; $!    number-number    - matches inclusive range, note that K $!                       1-3 matches 1,2, or 3 but 22-2 (for hours) matcheso8 $!                       22,23,0,1,2.  Time goes around., $!    number,number... - matches any in list$ $!    *                - matches any $!> $! All four time fields must match for command to be executed. $!& $! lines starting with # are comments. $!L $! The command line goes to the end of line or to a %.  If there is a % thenL $! it is taken as a EOL for the command, further elements separated by % areH $! taken as input data lines to the command.  The command is executed asK $! a subprocess from the account running cron.com, except if it is a submit K $! command in which case it is executed immediately.  Since this is usuallysI $! the system account you should consider this facility mostly for systemeJ $! functions.  You can do something for another user by making the commandC $! a submit/user=somebody of a command file or a run/uic=something.o $!C $! logging of activity is done with writes to sys$output.  This canvB $! be directed to a file during debugging or send to nl: when cron  $! is run as a detached process. $! $! $!  $! Make this routine undeletable $! $ bypass_comments: $! call make_invincible  $       call initializationr# $       if .not. cron_been_started   $ then h $       call start_croni $       exit $ endif  $!  + 	I no longer ship the make_invincible call.   ? 	CRON may be a good solution for you.  There are a hundred ways-F 	to skin this cat.  Multiple jobs running is unacceptable to me (anal?8 	no... it is something that shouldn't be.... so I fix ).   				Robs   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2002 15:22:26 -0600-+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young):Q Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?h3 Message-ID: <1679xssO1iP6@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  c In article <3D4990EE.1B3873B8@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:e5 > I'v use the original CRON (with hourly interval) toe< > "schedule" a number of jobs on a production box for years.= > It's set-n-forget, mostly. The main reasons to use it are :o2 > - No need to have "re-submit" logic in each job.C > - One central place to change the interval of all/any batch jobs. F > - Easy to "suspend" one or more jobs (comment a line in crontab.dat)/ > - Don't get SHO QUEUE full of "holding" jobs.s > J > In my environment, CRON doesn't spawn anything, but does SUBMIT/USER=xxx > on all jobs. > 9 > Is the version with minute support available someware ? @ > Would like to see it on the Compaq, sorry, HP freeware and, of1 > course, on Hunters fine archive at process.com.l >   6 	Sure... willing to do that.  I have lost the author's= 	info but would like to attribute him.  I pulled it down fromt? 	PageSwapper many moons ago.  That .DOC file has no informationf> 	about the author in it.  I stumbled upon the original VAX ProE 	and saw the author info there.  However, after moving I haven't seend 	those VAX Pros since ;-)!   	Anybody recall who wrote that?0   				Rob1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:50:06 +0200L9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>eQ Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?d' Message-ID: <3D4990EE.1B3873B8@aaa.com>W  3 I'v use the original CRON (with hourly interval) toA: "schedule" a number of jobs on a production box for years.; It's set-n-forget, mostly. The main reasons to use it are :I0 - No need to have "re-submit" logic in each job.A - One central place to change the interval of all/any batch jobs.tD - Easy to "suspend" one or more jobs (comment a line in crontab.dat)- - Don't get SHO QUEUE full of "holding" jobs.   H In my environment, CRON doesn't spawn anything, but does SUBMIT/USER=xxx on all jobs.  7 Is the version with minute support available someware ? > Would like to see it on the Compaq, sorry, HP freeware and, of/ course, on Hunters fine archive at process.com.k   Jan-Erik Sderholm.m   Rob Young wrote: > I >         Finally, there is a very good CRON available.  Written entirely H >         in DCL.  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(TheC exact command varies somewhat with hardware model, which is another,+ reason why exact designations are helpful.)t  B If the drive is properly formatted, and there are no ID conflicts,? and the drive is actually working, you should be able to accesse? it at the SRM console prompt, and you should also be able to dod? a MOUNT /FOREIGN when OpenVMS is running and at least dump somewB of the blo            Ö    Ė    Ŗ    Ɩ    ǖ    Ȗ    ɖ    ʖ    ˖    ̖    ͖    Ζ    ϖ    Ж    і    Җ    Ӗ    Ԗ    Ֆ    ֖    ז    ؖ    ٖ    ږ    ۖ    ܖ    ݖ    ޖ    ߖ        ᖟ    ▟    㖟    䖟    喟    斟    疟    薟    閟    ꖟ    떟    얟    햟            𖟪    񖟪    򖟪    󖟪                                                                                         	    
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