1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 02 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 423       Contents: Re: Alphaserver 4100 5/400? Arithmetic Data Corruption - Compaq TCP/IP Services 5.3 and NFS C Re: Arithmetic Data Corruption - Compaq TCP/IP Services 5.3 and NFS C Re: Arithmetic Data Corruption - Compaq TCP/IP Services 5.3 and NFS . Can ANYONE explain HP's rationale on this one?2 Re: Can ANYONE explain HP's rationale on this one?2 Re: Can ANYONE explain HP's rationale on this one? Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!  RE: Carl's birthday -- Yea!  Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!  Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!  Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!  Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!  Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!  Re: Compression on DLT backup  Re: Credit Where Credit is DueP CRON (Was: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?)& Re: device full: wrong error messages?" End of week laugh (Re: Tru64 hack)$ Re: Help - Problem with keys in TPU.$ Re: Help - Problem with keys in TPU. Hex to decimal conversion dcl ! Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl ! Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl ! Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl ! Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl ! Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl ! Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl ! Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl  Re: mount shad/include question & Move RAID5 set between HSx controllers* Re: Move RAID5 set between HSx controllers+ Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)  OpenVMS + HP JetDirect' RE: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' RE: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' RE: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow < Re: OpenVMS.org, Terry Shannon knows XYZ and Evereybody here< Re: OpenVMS.org, Terry Shannon knows XYZ and Evereybody here) Re: Robust exception handler context in C ) Re: Robust exception handler context in C ) Re: Robust exception handler context in C ) Re: Robust exception handler context in C ) RE: Robust exception handler context in C < Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)< Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)< Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)< Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)< Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)< Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)< Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)< Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)< Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)< Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)O Serial Number for Hobbyist license on an Emulated VAX (was Re: VAX Hardware ID)  TS10 emulator rom images Re: TS10 emulator rom images$ Re: Using IBM drives on alpha system$ RE: Using IBM drives on alpha system VAX Hardware ID  Re: VAX Hardware ID  Re: VAX Hardware ID  Re: VAX Hardware ID  Re: VAX Hardware ID  Re: VAX Hardware ID H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:46:34 -0400! From: "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> # Subject: Re: Alphaserver 4100 5/400 + Message-ID: <aie5oo$kni$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   I It has a PBXGB-CA (?powerstorm 4d20? from netbsd homepage).  I pulled the J two RAID cards, (?KZPSC? if I recall correctly).  It has a tulip card.  InJ SRM it seems to recognize all of the cards in the system.  I assume it wasF running NT4 since it was in ARC and a loader menu came up listing NT4.F Since it had no drives when it finally set to SRM I changes OS_TYPE to OPENVMS.  J     To check it out I loaded RH7.2 and it loaded OK, (doesn't support 4D20I so no X).  I did read NETBSD supported it under X but my copy most not be J new enough.  In the end though, if I can convince my boss and afford it in the budget it will be VMS.   Dave8 Jason O'Donnell <jodonnell@hrblock.com> wrote in message7 news:9059bf6b.0208010536.7d9e8d8e@posting.google.com... I > > However I went to boot the V/A 7.3 I used on the DEC3000 to check the @ > > hardware and it faults with an exception and returns to SRM.I > > I then booted the Firmware update and updated fine but still the same  whenL > > trying the 7.3.  This is only day one so I still need to investigate theG > > problem, (SRM setting since it initially came up in arc but after a  while it > > switched to SRM.)  >  > Okay:  > B > You have updated the firmware to the latest greatest?  I believeA > AlphaServer Firmware 6.1(?) is out with the 7.3-1 distribution.  > C > Have you checked to make sure all components are tight and seated  > properly?  > E > Have you checked that all I/O devices are supported by OpenVMS 7.3? H > If the 4100 was running NT or a flavor of UNIX, a card may be in there# > that is not supported by OpenVMS.  > F > Finally, post the exception you are getting, that would help us out.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:52:58 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> H Subject: Arithmetic Data Corruption - Compaq TCP/IP Services 5.3 and NFS. Message-ID: <3D4A2542.4010807@wasd.vsm.com.au>  H We recently had a *real significant* problem after an upgrade to Compaq J TCP/IP 5.3.  Not to labour the story too heavily, but as this causes data K corruption, a *warning* is in order and I couldn't find an existing one on   c.o.v.  K If you have this version of TCP/IP installed, are using the NFS server and  G have any application that does floating point arithmetic :^) apply the  9 just-released AXPVMS-TCPIP_MUP-V0503-181-4 *immediately*.   5 The ECO description seems to rather understate it ...   < > Applications which use floating point find their registers' > modified when the NFS server is used.   D There is an interesting story behind this.  Perhaps someone who has 3 first-hand knowlege might be in a position to post.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 12:05:01 GMT ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> L Subject: Re: Arithmetic Data Corruption - Compaq TCP/IP Services 5.3 and NFS0 Message-ID: <m8sdia.jc2.ln@dadsys1.fuller.local>   Mark Daniel wrote:  I > We recently had a *real significant* problem after an upgrade to Compaq K > TCP/IP 5.3.  Not to labour the story too heavily, but as this causes data L > corruption, a *warning* is in order and I couldn't find an existing one on > c.o.v. > L > If you have this version of TCP/IP installed, are using the NFS server andH > have any application that does floating point arithmetic :^) apply the; > just-released AXPVMS-TCPIP_MUP-V0503-181-4 *immediately*.  > 7 > The ECO description seems to rather understate it ...  > = >> Applications which use floating point find their registers ( >> modified when the NFS server is used. > E > There is an interesting story behind this.  Perhaps someone who has 5 > first-hand knowlege might be in a position to post.   I The fact that you know of an interesting story behind this suggests that  2 you might know some of it.  Why don't you post it?           Stu    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:14:22 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>L Subject: Re: Arithmetic Data Corruption - Compaq TCP/IP Services 5.3 and NFS) Message-ID: <3D4A93BE.FBDD225B@127.0.0.1>    Stuart Fuller wrote: > J > The fact that you know of an interesting story behind this suggests that4 > you might know some of it.  Why don't you post it?  B My understanding is at a recent DECUS AUS event, there was a wholeH powerpoint presentation dedicated to it. (You know as much as I do now).   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:17:05 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 7 Subject: Can ANYONE explain HP's rationale on this one? F Message-ID: <Rnx29.5279$wh1.2646@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,425856,00.asp  L Dell is thinking about getting into the printer business. In retaliations HPH cancels their agreement with Dell for all the products that HP currentlyK sells to them. Poor punished Dell. Now they have to make a deal with Canon, H or Epson, or Lexmark to boost those companies sales. And with Toshiba or Sony for their handhelds.   G What HP has done is to eliminate a large channel through which they can J still sell their products until and if, as, and when Dell ever really getsH into the printer business. And even if Dell was in the printer business,B unless HP's printers were no longer offered by Dell at all, a goodI proportion of Dell computer buyers would have still opted for HP printers ! anyway based on reputation alone.   C So the bottom line is HP has unilaterally killed a low-cost to them K distribution channel, taken upon themselves to incur higher marketing costs F to try and reach potential Dell computer buyers BEFORE they make theirI purchasing decision with Dell for their computers (let's face it, if they J are buying Dell computers they have already rejected HP/Compaq computers).  I I guess this is what constitutes the Rocket Science 101 course they teach $ the executives internally within HP.  G HP will be hit somewhat in the profitability of their printer lineup. I = wonder which division within HP will be forced to lower their G advertising/marketing or R&D efforts to make-up the lost profits. Let's D see...Wintel space is basically outsourced chips and OS - no room toK maneuver there. Enterprise space is basically internal OS products and lots J of system engineering - a place where you can control your costs by making unilateral cuts.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 10:40:12 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ; Subject: Re: Can ANYONE explain HP's rationale on this one? 3 Message-ID: <hGftN3yOGffu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <Rnx29.5279$wh1.2646@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:4 > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,425856,00.asp > N > Dell is thinking about getting into the printer business. In retaliations HPJ > cancels their agreement with Dell for all the products that HP currentlyM > sells to them. Poor punished Dell. Now they have to make a deal with Canon, J > or Epson, or Lexmark to boost those companies sales. And with Toshiba or > Sony for their handhelds.  > I > What HP has done is to eliminate a large channel through which they can L > still sell their products until and if, as, and when Dell ever really gets > into the printer business.    A 	Dell does $300 million in printers through HP.  HP plans to pick C 	up that small lost piece via other paths.  What HP can't afford to E 	have happen is erosion of printers, although that may be inevitable. C 	The battle is over refill cartridges as I read about it.  There is 0 	a goldmine of profits (real money maker) there.   > E > So the bottom line is HP has unilaterally killed a low-cost to them  > distribution channel >    	Nah, small change.    > K > I guess this is what constitutes the Rocket Science 101 course they teach & > the executives internally within HP. >   C 	Nope.  Sound business reasons.  Sow a bit of confusion many months D 	before Dell ships their printers.  Timing was probably perfect.  AsB 	Dell now goes to Lexmark and says:  "Hey, we would like to strikeA 	a 6 month printer deal with you."  And by the time they get that C 	sorted out, they then roll out their own line of printers.  In the F 	mean time, you have a very small (dumb like sheep) group of customersE 	that "click" on a printer that is Lexmark OEMed.  Two years from now F 	, the bulk of Dell printers in the field are HP and Dell-classic and F 	1/10 of 1 percent rebadged Lexmarks the support of which is basically 	non-existant.  @ 	Chess is about strategy and tactics, it is not unlike running a= 	business.  In HP's case the timing of their killing the Dell B 	printer deal may have been has beautiful as Intel's pricing moves 	on P4.  ;-)   				Rob    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:42:59 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>; Subject: Re: Can ANYONE explain HP's rationale on this one? @ Message-ID: <20020802164259.39642.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>  4 Wait about 5 years, and HP will be bought by Dell or2 IBM ! It happened to DEC, Tandem, Compaq, HP .....     :-)))      Regards    FC  & --- John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:4 > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,425856,00.asp > 1 > Dell is thinking about getting into the printer  > business. In retaliations HP/ > cancels their agreement with Dell for all the  > products that HP currently5 > sells to them. Poor punished Dell. Now they have to  > make a deal with Canon, 6 > or Epson, or Lexmark to boost those companies sales. > And with Toshiba or  > Sony for their handhelds.  > 2 > What HP has done is to eliminate a large channel > through which they can6 > still sell their products until and if, as, and when > Dell ever really gets 4 > into the printer business. And even if Dell was in > the printer business, 5 > unless HP's printers were no longer offered by Dell  > at all, a good5 > proportion of Dell computer buyers would have still  > opted for HP printers # > anyway based on reputation alone.  > 4 > So the bottom line is HP has unilaterally killed a > low-cost to them6 > distribution channel, taken upon themselves to incur > higher marketing costs1 > to try and reach potential Dell computer buyers  > BEFORE they make their3 > purchasing decision with Dell for their computers  > (let's face it, if they 6 > are buying Dell computers they have already rejected > HP/Compaq computers).  > 5 > I guess this is what constitutes the Rocket Science  > 101 course they teach & > the executives internally within HP. > 1 > HP will be hit somewhat in the profitability of  > their printer lineup. I 3 > wonder which division within HP will be forced to 
 > lower their 5 > advertising/marketing or R&D efforts to make-up the  > lost profits. Let's 6 > see...Wintel space is basically outsourced chips and > OS - no room to / > maneuver there. Enterprise space is basically  > internal OS products and lots / > of system engineering - a place where you can  > control your costs by making > unilateral cuts. >  >  >  >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?( Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:30:19 +0200 From: "vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> $ Subject: Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!6 Message-ID: <aidnjs$12jmar$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  J Since most of your post is OT by Carl's standards I guess you'd need Nomex and asbestos to stay alive :-)   Hans  6 "Mark Tarka" <mark_tarka@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht7 news:6b70c71c.0208011311.447b0578@posting.google.com... A > Just wanted to remind the faithful, that Carl J. Lydick's birth D > anniversary is coming up and that y'all should celebrate the event > appropriately. > F > For those who don't know what this is all about...hang tight and see > if anyone goes ballistic.  > B > For the remaining few infidels...it's not _my_ fault your mother > dresses you funny. > @ > As for content...I recall barbs directed at the evil MicrosoftF > including the idea of crash-counts approaching a level of irritationD > comparable to say jock-itch on a sweaty summer day.  VMS pros were  > comparing continuous up-times. > C > I was wondering, and someone here might know -- would PC hardware F > (cheap, I know, but look at it in the short run, like 5 years old orH > less) have the same reliability as VAX hardware, where the software is > never the cause of a crash?  > F > And the related question -- would Linux or some other software (DOS,E > CPM, ....) running on the same PC in place of M$ stuff have greater2 > reliability, longer up-times?  >n >t? >   Mark (Currently on the streets in lower Manhattan...on  thea > streets.)i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:13:21 -0400# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>r$ Subject: RE: Carl's birthday -- Yea!: Message-ID: <OPEPIPEJGHNICIJKJFEAEEPAEPAA.dallen@nist.gov>  * 	A measure of flammage introduced by Ehud?   	Dan   > -----Original Message-----& > From: jchimene@Alethion.systasis.net> > [mailto:jchimene@Alethion.systasis.net]On Behalf Of sasadmin) > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:12 PMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr& > Subject: Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea! >  > + > mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) writes:e > C > > Just wanted to remind the faithful, that Carl J. Lydick's birtheF > > anniversary is coming up and that y'all should celebrate the event > > appropriately. > H > Noted. Without Googling, can you tell me what a kiloGavron is and what > it measures? > E > > I was wondering, and someone here might know -- would PC hardwarelH > > (cheap, I know, but look at it in the short run, like 5 years old orJ > > less) have the same reliability as VAX hardware, where the software is > > never the cause of a crash?n > C > It's a difficult question to answer, even assuming you mean AlphaxE > hardware. As you know, the CPU is only one of many sub-systems, anddE > components of sub-systems may be manufactured by less-than-reliableeE > vendors. Also, much of your MTTF may be influenced by power quality < > and power cycling (comparing usage on the desktop to glassF > room). Because Dec/Compaq/HP have never sold VAX/Alpha technology to> > the mass-market, because they never felt impelled to produceF > technology that would compete in that price/performance space, we'llE > probably never really have an objective(!) answer to your question.k > H > > And the related question -- would Linux or some other software (DOS,G > > CPM, ....) running on the same PC in place of M$ stuff have greatere! > > reliability, longer up-times?l >  > The signature says it all: >  > -- r > Microsoft Free By 2003 >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 06:56:27 -0700l( From: univms@bigfoot.com (Hamlyn Mootoo)$ Subject: Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!= Message-ID: <9cf7e06d.0208020556.4c28a2e7@posting.google.com>l  l mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote in message news:<6b70c71c.0208011311.447b0578@posting.google.com>...A > Just wanted to remind the faithful, that Carl J. Lydick's birth D > anniversary is coming up and that y'all should celebrate the event > appropriately. > F > For those who don't know what this is all about...hang tight and see > if anyone goes ballistic., > B > For the remaining few infidels...it's not _my_ fault your mother > dresses you funny. > @ > As for content...I recall barbs directed at the evil MicrosoftF > including the idea of crash-counts approaching a level of irritationD > comparable to say jock-itch on a sweaty summer day.  VMS pros were  > comparing continuous up-times. > C > I was wondering, and someone here might know -- would PC hardwarenF > (cheap, I know, but look at it in the short run, like 5 years old orH > less) have the same reliability as VAX hardware, where the software is > never the cause of a crash?2 > F > And the related question -- would Linux or some other software (DOS,E > CPM, ....) running on the same PC in place of M$ stuff have greater  > reliability, longer up-times?2 >  > @ >   Mark (Currently on the streets in lower Manhattan...on  the  > streets.)y  E Well, unless you're using something like an e-machine PC (notoriouslyi9 bad hardware), from a pure hardware standpoint, I believe D OS-independent MTBF would probably be comparable between a PC (usingC quality components), and VAX/Alpha hardware. As far as the OS goes,kA Linux has a pretty good uptime (again, assuming you have a stablenF version, and what is being run on it).  As far as UNIXes in general, IA remember seeing an IBM AIX box running with a fairly steady dailydE processing load stay up over a year and a half.  It was taken down tohD do an OS upgrade.  Of course, after the upgrade it didn't stay up as# long, but that's another story.....t     HM   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:02:54 +0100w From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>R$ Subject: Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!) Message-ID: <3D4A910E.82EB64C7@Omond.net>h   Mark Tarka wrote:3   > [...snip...] >nC > I was wondering, and someone here might know -- would PC hardware F > (cheap, I know, but look at it in the short run, like 5 years old orH > less) have the same reliability as VAX hardware, where the software is > never the cause of a crash?i  E Given the lack of ECC, or parity, on the memory of most (all ?) PC's,d I'd say no.   	 Roy Omonds Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 10:24:08 -0600u+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)u$ Subject: Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!3 Message-ID: <5x2G0GTowv41@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <871y9h706z.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>, sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes:' > "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> writes:  > - >> 	A measure of flammage introduced by Ehud?l. >     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >       \                     \5! >        Yes                   No0 >   : 	Well... I cheated.  But I don't feel too guilty as it was: 	a one-shot reference by Carl on Feb 17, 1992.  In typical) 	Carl fashion, he ends that post like so:d  H Next time, please try to learn what you're talking about before posting.P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------L Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL   				Robu   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:12:28 GMTi From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net>i$ Subject: Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!2 Message-ID: <8765yt70bq.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  ! Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:    > Mark Tarka wrote:d > G > Given the lack of ECC, or parity, on the memory of most (all ?) PC's,t
 > I'd say no.-  H I just purchased 256 Mb of DDR ECC memory for $51.00. The reason it's soD cheap is most ECC activity's now performed on the motherboard (DFI), and the parts are EOL.   -- 3 Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:15:18 GMT  From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net>a$ Subject: Re: Carl's birthday -- Yea!2 Message-ID: <871y9h706z.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  % "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> writes:   , > 	A measure of flammage introduced by Ehud?,     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^       \                     \h        Yes                   Noi   -- t Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:01:24 GMTm( From: "Bill R. King" <brking@nospam.net>& Subject: Re: Compression on DLT backup% Message-ID: <3D4A8FEC.7CD@nospam.net>f  	 Virginia,i  E Take a look at the lights on drive WHILE it is writing a tape to makeeE certain that it is actually writing in 35/70 density with compressiong
 turned on.  H That drive is capable of writing in any one of several different modes. C If the cartridge that you are using was previously written in 20/40oE density, you may to use the manual override on the drive to switch to0 the 35/70 density.   Good luck!!!   bill s   Virginia Rogers wrote: > P > We have a TZ89 tape drive which is installed in our StorageWorks disk cabinet.K > I'm performing disk backups from an AlphaServer 1000 which is running VMS 	 > V7.2-1.  > R > My question is, why can I not fit more than about 30Gb on one tape?  I'm using aQ > DLT IV tape.  It doesn't seem to make any difference whether I have compression R > set or not (either with the button on the front panel of the drive, or using theM > /media_format=compaction qualifier with the INIT and BACKUP commands).  TheoQ > files that I'm backing up are image files which should be able to be compressedrQ > (using 'compress' on unix I can compress an image file by 40%).  I'm backing uphI > 35GB disks and would like to be able to fit the whole disk on one tape.. > > > This is what the tape device looks like with a tape mounted:
 > -----------tM > Magtape PN1A$MKA200:, device type TZ89, is online, allocated, deallocate on P > dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented device, errorP > logging is enabled, device is busy, controller supports compaction (compaction% > enabled), device supports fastskip.o > 8 > Error count 2             Operations completed 87591996 > Owner process "_FTA19:"   Owner UIC  [STAFF,VROGERS]8 > Owner process ID 2D400306 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W5 > Reference count 4         Default buffer size 32768e > 1 > Volume label "IMGB02"     Relative volume no. 0 / > Record size  0            Transaction count 1l) > Mount status Process      Mount count 1  > ACP process name  "", > Density  TK89             Format Normal-11 >  > Volume status:  odd parity.w
 > ----------- 	 > Thanks,n > Virginia Rogersn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:02:07 +0100l( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>' Subject: Re: Credit Where Credit is Dueo) Message-ID: <3D4A90DF.66044FE1@127.0.0.1>g   Nic Clews wrote: >  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:c > >eI > > Mary Ellen Fortier delivered a couple of pretty decent talks at DECUS  > > Australia last week. >  > Please define 'decent'.e > E > My definition would be telling the massed convinced collective thath1 > widespread advertising was going to take place.    Credit expired.n   -- D? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesi nclews at csc dot comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:42:34 +0200e9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> Y Subject: CRON (Was: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?)-' Message-ID: <3D4A8C4A.B5C9C2D1@aaa.com>r  6 Just a few notes about the version of CRON I'm running (the "hourly" version).t  7 - No, there is no note of who's the original developer.m  6 - I'v had some problems were the "Cron Server" process6 have died with some quota problem. This usualy happend: after aprox 2 months. I add'ed a batch job the the crontab6 file where the CRON process is re-started. Since then,< I think I'v upgraded VMS, so I can't say if this would still; be a problem. I think not, since my re-start routine havn'tt1 actualy restarted anything for over 6 months now.a  : - Even if the CRON process just runs once an hour, it's of= course still possible to start a job, lets say, each 15 min :      * * * * submit some-COM-file0   * * * * submit after="+00:15:00" some-COM-file0   * * * * submit after="+00:30:00" some-COM-file0   * * * * submit after="+00:45:00" some-COM-file     Jan-Erik Sderholm.o   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:40:48 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>f/ Subject: Re: device full: wrong error messages?e; Message-ID: <01KKTSPIA8UM96Z9MP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  ) > I'll bet that your RUJ device filled.     G It did---before I got the error.  When I got the error, there was more   than enough space.  H > as the program exited, the RUJ file was deleted and thus things looked > better all of a sudden.   D Makes sense.  Is the following summary correct?  When the RUJ deviceH filled up, there was the "cannot extend" error.  An ARBITRARY amount of B time later, after having created some space on the device (NOT by H removing anything from the database!), this now-obsolete error crops up E in a new command issued in a completely different context.  In other eF words, the error state gets "frozen" when the device fills up and the B corresponding errors can appear later, when the problem no longer  exists.t   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 05:32:59 -0700r) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) + Subject: End of week laugh (Re: Tru64 hack)e= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0208020432.42367329@posting.google.com>u  4 I've been too flat out this week to even read C.O.V,4 complete tasks around the house, or whatever. In the. rush I found myself having to take some action  regarding that "Tru64 Incident".  < It's really quite funny under OpenVMS and just what I needed at the end of a hard week:     X cc su/list/machine_codeo X t/p su.lis ....N                                .PSECT  $CODE$, OCTA, PIC, CON, REL, LCL, SHR,-8                                         EXE, NORD, NOWRT               0000       __MAIN::3 23DEFFB0     0000               LDA     SP, -80(SP)q    O                                 .PSECT  SHELLCODE, OCTA, NOPIC, OVR, REL, GBL,- =                                         NOSHR, NOEXE, RD, WRTl"                         SHELLCODE:N 43D91530     0000               .ASCII  \0\<21><217>\C\<17>\t\<240>\G\<18><20>    F Well, I found it quite just what I needed right now, shellcode getting' it's very own data only environment :-)C   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 05:57:28 GMTn- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) - Subject: Re: Help - Problem with keys in TPU.e5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-F2QWgs7L4BDv@localhost>p  A On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:33:03 UTC, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au t wrote:   > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > >> "Kaledas, Ronald" wrote:  > >> HJ > >> Actually, com files only need "E" access for someone to run them, notK > >> "R".  Read access allows non-priv users to copy and type the com file,y > >> Execute-only does not.  > > G > >Um, better check that. Last time I tried that, RE access was needed. H > >(Unlike UN*X, you need read access to DCL proc.'s in order to executeI > >them using "@" where on UN*X, x permission will do.) Don't confuse DCLe0 > >command indirection with the image activator. > M > I cannot check this without setting myself up with a new account, since my dQ > development account also has READALL.  However, I have some memory of problems cB > that users experienced and we came to the following conclusions. > 7 > 1).  A .com file only needs E if on the same cluster.y6 > 2).  A .com file needs RE if on a different cluster. > A > For the purpose above, "cluster" also implies a single machine.  > Q > 3).  If $ set verify is on, I forget what happens for 1).  It might need RE to l) > even run, or it might run without echo.  > P > If someone can correct or affirm my memory, I'd be interested, otherwise I'll - > create an account over the weekend to test.   F I seem to remember years ago trying to change some of my .COMS to W:E.  E As has been said, the @T worked OK. Where I had problems was calling mE another .COM from the first level. i.e. T.COM contained @S. If S.COM =? was also W:E then it could not be executed and T failed with a _B privilege violation. That was under VMS 5.n. I've never tested it 
 again since. . --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 19:18:14 +0010l% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aud- Subject: Re: Help - Problem with keys in TPU.45 Message-ID: <01KKU0G308UQ000U62@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>C  H Dave Weatherall wrote (again with snips), referencing my post and David  Dachtera's:   G >I seem to remember years ago trying to change some of my .COMS to W:E.4 >0F >As has been said, the @T worked OK. Where I had problems was calling F >another .COM from the first level. i.e. T.COM contained @S. If S.COM @ >was also W:E then it could not be executed and T failed with a C >privilege violation. That was under VMS 5.n. I've never tested it l >again since.     M That's an interesting one.  I'll set myself up a very bland account over the nL weekend and test some of these.  (Unless Hoff or some colleague can jump in - and tell us definitively what the rules are).l  A What has also come to mind is that .exe files need RE if between d clusters/machines.  L The situation that I was remembering occurred when I wanted a user to check E out my development executable, which involved a .COM across machines.r   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 02:50:42 -0700e$ From: tarunm_2000@yahoo.com (tmrana)& Subject: Hex to decimal conversion dcl= Message-ID: <e8f11ce1.0208020150.7137b969@posting.google.com>g  E Can anyone tell me any dcl command to convert a hexadecimal number to > decimal number. or any system routine in vax for that matter..   Regards. Taruna   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 20:05:49 +00109% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au@* Subject: Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl5 Message-ID: <01KKU242UE3M000UZ5@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>n   Tarun wrote:  F >Can anyone tell me any dcl command to convert a hexadecimal number to? >decimal number. or any system routine in vax for that matter..A    5 You missed a thread on this by only a matter of days.y  O A number (for purists, finitely for integers) exists in whatever base you care tJ to choose.  All you need to be worried about is input or output.  Binary, E octal, hex are easy representations of how the bit pattern is stored nM internally.  For input/output of decimal numbers, you're asking the computer tO to do some real work :-)  The internal guts of computational number crunching, tI who cares.  If the number is an integer symbol, sho symbol will give you o' decimal, octal and hex representations.   D Your question begs the eternal question "What are you trying to do?"   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 12:12:37 +0200 ' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber),* Subject: Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl+ Message-ID: <s2kEUdzGLdBU@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>s  d In article <e8f11ce1.0208020150.7137b969@posting.google.com>, tarunm_2000@yahoo.com (tmrana) writes:G > Can anyone tell me any dcl command to convert a hexadecimal number to @ > decimal number. or any system routine in vax for that matter..  3 Paddy O'Brien has answered the question completely.a  H Just for the lazy, here is the dcl code I use as a command "cvt number":   $ if p1 .eqs. "" r $ then r5 $ write sys$output "converts numbers specified in p1"e $ else $ Decimal = 'P1' $ SH SYM Decimal $ endife  G Yould refine it by checking the symbol p1 is really of integer type ...r   --: Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Max-Planck-Institut Physik,Muenchen, : http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber                            ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 12:17:49 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>m* Subject: Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl; Message-ID: <01KKTLPHFLLU96Z9MP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>.  I > > Can anyone tell me any dcl command to convert a hexadecimal number tocB > > decimal number. or any system routine in vax for that matter.. > 5 > Paddy O'Brien has answered the question completely.r > J > Just for the lazy, here is the dcl code I use as a command "cvt number":  I I seem to remember someone (Jim Klein?) on comp.lang.fortran, years ago, aG who talked about his program to convert CPS to Hz or something similar.m   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:19:51 +0200 From: "vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>c* Subject: Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl6 Message-ID: <aidmc9$13b6qe$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   $ help lex f$fao  I Hex, octal or decimal, it is just the representation. The VAX just countso	 the bits.d  3 "tmrana" <tarunm_2000@yahoo.com> schreef in berichtp7 news:e8f11ce1.0208020150.7137b969@posting.google.com...lG > Can anyone tell me any dcl command to convert a hexadecimal number tor@ > decimal number. or any system routine in vax for that matter.. >-	 > Regardsu > Tarun    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 20:23:57 +0010u% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au * Subject: Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl5 Message-ID: <01KKU2QKYE02000UZH@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    Joseph "Sepp" Huber wrote:  I >Just for the lazy, here is the dcl code I use as a command "cvt number":r >t >$ if p1 .eqs. ""  >$ then 6 >$ write sys$output "converts numbers specified in p1" >$ elsel >$ Decimal = 'P1'd >$ SH SYM Decimal. >$ endif >eH >Yould refine it by checking the symbol p1 is really of integer type ...  M I use my DECW calculator :-)  But your solution gives all three bases in one e hit.   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 20:31:02 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aua* Subject: Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl5 Message-ID: <01KKU2ZD5V82000V0I@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>.   Phillip Helbig wrote:-  J >I seem to remember someone (Jim Klein?) on comp.lang.fortran, years ago, H >who talked about his program to convert CPS to Hz or something similar.  O I suppose we are straying slightly OT, but I picked up a reference recently on rO either c.l.f or sci.math.num-analysis regarding a package relating to physical k units.  1 I bookmarked it but haven't had time to asses it.e   The reference is:V  / http://meso.aos.wisc.edu/~gpetty/physunits.htmls   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:51:13 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk* Subject: Re: Hex to decimal conversion dcl* Message-ID: <aido71$k7$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>  d In article <e8f11ce1.0208020150.7137b969@posting.google.com>, tarunm_2000@yahoo.com (tmrana) writes:F >Can anyone tell me any dcl command to convert a hexadecimal number to? >decimal number. or any system routine in vax for that matter..g >   
 You mean like	  
 $ a = %xAF $ write sys$output a 175l $    or  
 $ b = "B3" $ c = %x'b'^ $ write sys$output c 179     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >Regards >Tarun   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:48:47 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>( Subject: Re: mount shad/include question( Message-ID: <3D4A557F.9F35C1F@127.0.0.1>   Evan wrote:-C > I have a mount command like this:  $ MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIS/include-5 > DSA18: /SHADOW=($1$DUA20:,$1$DUA30:,$1$dua31:) MGMT  > ( > I dismount a disk, $ dismount $1$dua31 > 8 > The system crashes and I execute the original mount: $% > MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIS/include DSA18:j. > /SHADOW=($1$DUA20:,$1$DUA30:,$1$dua31:) MGMT > G > I'm hoping that $1$dua31 won't mount, but not getting that result, is  > this correct?e  C I think there's some confusion around the /INCLUDE and the /SHADOW.?  ; The documentation only shows *one* shadowset member device.m  P http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/5423/5423pro_004.html#reconstruct_ss_h  ) Therefore I think your command should be:.  = $ MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA18: /SHADOW=$1$DUA20: MGMT/INCLUDE-  G Personally, I don't think that the HELP makes it clear. It also doesn't @ give an explanation in the documentation to what might happen ifA $1$DUA20 was the removed member. I'm also not sure why you're not A getting an error, using /INCLUDE implies you should give only one^D physical device name, yet it accepts -and works with- three devices.  H If I had a couple of spare RF36's [in the UK, hint, hint] I'd be willingG to do some experimentation on the hobby system with 3 member shadowsetsr and report here.   -- :? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesn nclews at csc dot coma   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:21:49 GMTt( From: Mark Hemker <hemker@insightbb.com>/ Subject: Move RAID5 set between HSx controllerse8 Message-ID: <8jqkkusgep1cm5scmvfv09u2b03abs3vc6@4ax.com>  C Currently, I have a 6 disk RAID5 array configured and running on an4F HSG80 controller and I need to move it to an RA3000 which has an HSZ22? controller.  Is there a way to do this without having to make arE backup, recreate the RAID5 array and then restore?  Is it possible torF just pull the drives and move them?  I am not sure since I believe you> have to INIT the drives on the controller.  Any ideas would be appreciated.   Thanks,a Mark   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:11:45 +0200. From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si>3 Subject: Re: Move RAID5 set between HSx controllersf- Message-ID: <0Du29.26$EM5.1872@news.siol.net>c   Hi,a  5 "Mark Hemker" <hemker@insightbb.com> wrote in message 2 news:8jqkkusgep1cm5scmvfv09u2b03abs3vc6@4ax.com...E > Currently, I have a 6 disk RAID5 array configured and running on anmH > HSG80 controller and I need to move it to an RA3000 which has an HSZ22A > controller.  Is there a way to do this without having to make aeG > backup, recreate the RAID5 array and then restore?  Is it possible to0H > just pull the drives and move them?  I am not sure since I believe you@ > have to INIT the drives on the controller.  Any ideas would be > appreciated. >l	 > Thanks,i > Mark  K Don't beleve that this is possible. HSZ22 is emulex raid controler and it'sp& metadata is quite different from HSGs.. Be aware of 9GB disk size limitation of HSZ22.  C You can have transportable disks in HSGs and I beleve you can issueS, SET diskdrive TRANSPORTABLE or such command.B But I'm not shure if this will help you with RAID-5 (parity can bi
 calculatedH differently and HSGs can adjust RAID-5 to RAID-4 it I/O patteren demands it.)  " It's no help I no but that's life.   Best, Gorazd     --4 ----------------------------------------------------
 Gorazd Kikelj- OpenVMS system support Aster d.o.o. e-mail: gorazd.kikelj@aster.si www:  www.aster.si   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 09:29:16 -0500c& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>4 Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)8 Message-ID: <f15lkusgh0q79aj0de3anis3ei37sfcg3b@4ax.com>  E On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:22:34 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancya4 <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote:   >f >t
 >jlsue wrote:l   >> eI >> No, you're wrong.  Re-look at the specific response I made.  There wasaF >> nothing in there specifically about measuring scalability to some %' >> accuracy.  In fact, the topics were:a >>   >> 1.	Training requirements- >> 2.	Tuning >> 3.	Financial Penalties: >> 4.	Storage requirements* >> 5.	Apps support of cluster environments >> j >: >O2 >You are mistaking your response, which was as you8 >say the above with the topic actually under discussion.  > This means nothing.  I can determine the responses I think areE mistaken, and address those specifically.  And these were the subjectg* of the *entire* note to which I responded.     >eI >> Not a one was scalability vs SMP.  I do not claim that VMScluster willeC >> provide the same performance scalability as a larger SMP system.w >> t >> O >r >s7 >Quite and the first usefull response you have providedo5 >because it differs markedly from your collegue Kerry % >who appears not to share your views.   F Don't get your ego up too much, because this isn't a general statementF to apply to all workloads.  I have seen some where SMP doesn't help atF all, and in those, clusters are the better route.  In other workloads,? clusters come so close to SMP that the cluster solution is morer4 desirable because of the other features it provides.     >>>s >> OI >> I was addressing your specific points in one particular posting.  Your = >> status quo seems to be, if you can't counter with anythingE& >> intelligent, throw insults instead. >> R >d >c- >Since when is a statement of fact an insult.K  > Casting dispersions on one's abilities in one's job is usuallyF considered an insult.  But you seem to be pathalogical enough to never see it for what it is.   > . >Fact the discussion was about scalability and2 >the relative difficulty of getting it in Clusters/ >or SMP systems and thus their suitability as al# >platform for server consolidation.   > Fact, the note to which I responded brought up many completely? non-scalability related issues, which I addressed individually.e   >c0 >Fact you hadn't at that point provided anything2 >quantative appart from statements like wonderfull >etc.   A Fact, I don't *need* to provide any more detail in response to ane  opinion that provided no detail.   > 4 >Go back and re-read your previous responses in this2 >thread, they hardly add up to anything usefull do1 >they. Your comments on support, for example very & >helpfull in an entirely negative way.  F I have read them, and trust me, reading notes from you once is enough.B I don't have to respond to every thread of a discussion to address? specific points to which I disagree - or, as in this case, havehF contrary experiences to.  Especially when those experiences go way and8 above any knowledge you have on the subject of clusters.     >> nE >> First off, I didn't say they were "similar capacity".  I said theyiF >> were similar CPU speed.  Certainly you could get many more users onC >> one VAX 6000-610 than on a VAXstation Model 90, though they were F >> similar CPU speed.  However, cluster a few of the M90s together and0 >> you had a decent cluster at a bit lower cost. >>   >  > @ >Why clearly, it isn't clear at all. They had the same CPU speedD >what else differed between them that makes it clear that a 6000-610= >would be have much more capacity than a VAXstation Model 90.C  B Now, I'm pretty sure you know the difference between CPU speed andC system capacity (as it pertains to a workload).  If all you need isoC CPU speed (i.e., mathematical/scientific computing), the VS M90 was F pretty close to the VAX 6000-610.  However, if you wanted boatloads of? users, using memory, and I/O bandwidth, etc., then they are not0 anywhere close to similar.     > I >> And, I'm not saying that Digital's software licensing wasn't ludicrous G >> either... ;-)  However, If a Sun workstation has a similar CPU speed A >> as a server, are you telling me that software licensing on theeH >> workstation is sane enough compared to the server that it would neverB >> make sense to forego high-end server costs by using clusters of >> smaller workstations?   >E >cA >Not for licensing reasons. As with most vendors the per CPU cost.@ >is lowest in the smallest systems so if you have a horizontally> >scalable application like say a web service it makes sense to> >buy say 8 V120's rather than a 4 CPU V480 (the V120 CPU's are8 >slower). But you don't need to do this for license cost	 >reasons.s  @ What I mean is, take a Sun workstation of CPU speed "x".  Take a? server that has a similar CPU speed.  Does the single-processorAB server's software licensing costs equal the workstation's software costs exactly?   >f >>  G >> I don't know how clustering works in the Sun world, but, truly, in acF >> VMScluser world, the managment and workload balancing can sometimes) >> make it a very attractive alternative.i >> u >i >u? >As it can in the Sun world but only for a limitted set of appse9 >where for example you don't get penalised for being in aw= >cluster in the first place, or where the app is horizontallyg6 >scalable like a web service or some kinds of HPC app. >e  ? This is where we continue to disagree as far as VMSclusters go.sE First, the set of apps is not as limited as you'd think.  I know thisdE from experience, and from going to things like DECUS/CETS/HP-ETS overn. the years and speaking to other professionals.  F Second, the penalty "for being in a cluster in the first place" is notD as big a problem in my experience.  THIS is what I was responding toD with my first messages in this thread.  Is the cost $0?  No.  But is< it so outageous that it's out of reach?  No to this as well.  ) Not speaking for anyone, certainly not HP - (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)r   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:40:31 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: OpenVMS + HP JetDirectC? Message-ID: <20020802134031.9798.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>e  + Any idea if OpenVMS will bring some kind ofn  integration with HP JetDirect  ?* Would be great to have some printer status, by Opcom or to create a HP JetDirect console- under Motif or character to manage the LPR or  Telnetsym printers ...!!!s     Regards    FC p   =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilb fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?( Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com,   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:50:04 -0500/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>:0 Subject: RE: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - RoadshowT Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C70E@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  I So you would not recommend this event if you had to drive 180 miles or sox/ between Austin and Houston, Texas to attend it?-   EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**.     > -----Original Message-----6 > From: univms@bigfoot.com [mailto:univms@bigfoot.com]) > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:52 PMu > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm2 > Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow >  > 2 > Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> wrote in message ) > news:<00A11D18.42321DD3.17@decus.de>...o > @ > > Any chance that there is a similar roadshow in Europe, too?  > Of course Germanyb > > would be preferred ... :-) > >  > > Michaeli > G > I attended the most recent one.  You're not really missing much.  ButfD > I have to say the pastrami was fresh and the croissants were quite > good.e >  > HM >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:04:48 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com0 Subject: RE: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow? Message-ID: <OFA4239647.A1C0A48A-ON85256C09.0047924E@metso.com>   G Well, here in the Northeast we at least got to meet Mark Gorham.  AFAIKe someone else0 will speak for OpenVMS in Texas and points west.I I love the mug, too, but if you are already an OpenVMS customer and won'tH be dragging K management to it to reassure them, the value is probably not there for that8
 long a drive.5I That is, unless you have a serious concern you'd like to voice in person;a someone will commit to getting back to you.        C "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> on 08/02/2002 08:50:04 AMa  ; Please respond to "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>y   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:d3 Subject:    RE: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshowe    I So you would not recommend this event if you had to drive 180 miles or sol/ between Austin and Houston, Texas to attend it?    EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**      > -----Original Message-----6 > From: univms@bigfoot.com [mailto:univms@bigfoot.com]) > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:52 PM- > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come2 > Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow >  >b1 > Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> wrote in messageR) > news:<00A11D18.42321DD3.17@decus.de>...D >0? > > Any chance that there is a similar roadshow in Europe, too?t > Of course Germanyd > > would be preferred ... :-) > >  > > Michaelu >rG > I attended the most recent one.  You're not really missing much.  But D > I have to say the pastrami was fresh and the croissants were quite > good.d >  > HM >c   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 08:48:30 -0600m- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)h0 Subject: RE: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow3 Message-ID: <9NCdw3f27nbL@eisner.encompasserve.org>2   In article <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C70E@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>, "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> writes:K > So you would not recommend this event if you had to drive 180 miles or soh1 > between Austin and Houston, Texas to attend it?   9 People who live in large states deserve what they get :-)e  ? One thing I did learn from the Boston seminar is that McKinley,lA Madison/Deerfield and Monticito will all use the same memory bus. C There is no promise, but to me that means it is possible there willu+ be field upgrades available to newer chips.   B The Itanium chips also have extensive debug capabilities, although; accessing them from the VMS debugger is not a given as yet.g  C I am sure that someone else who knew more about hardware would have  picked up on more.  B The Boston seminar also had a talk about Oracle Classic, and to meD it seemed they were announcing new features that have been in Oracle? Rdb for years.  The Oracle marketing attitude came across quite J clearly however -- "Is there anybody in the room still using Oracle Rdb?".@ The Oracle representative was clearly the least technical of theF speakers, and that includes Mark Gorham, vice-president of VMS for HP.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:12:04 +0100 (MET)g9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow; Message-ID: <01KKTTTFP02Y96Z9MP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>J  D > The Boston seminar also had a talk about Oracle Classic, and to meF > it seemed they were announcing new features that have been in Oracle > Rdb for years.    C Of course.  That might be one of the reasons why Oracle bought Rdb.a  1 > The Oracle marketing attitude came across quitetL > clearly however -- "Is there anybody in the room still using Oracle Rdb?".  D There might not have been many people in the room, but Rdb is still D going strong (and getting significant new features).  Maybe Not THATG many sites and not THAT many people at each site (but, hey, it's a goodvH product so not that many are needed), but they tend to be sites which do3 a lot of work where there really is no alternative.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:56:39 +0200e9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>r0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow' Message-ID: <3D4A8F97.76C5B591@aaa.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > 1 > The Oracle marketing attitude came across quite 2 > clearly however -- "Is there anybody in the room > still using Oracle Rdb?".    I hope there was some...   Jan-Erik Sderholm   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 09:55:56 -0600u- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow3 Message-ID: <MTs0Q9Ht7lUq@eisner.encompasserve.org>O  c In article <3D4A8F97.76C5B591@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:o > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> c2 >> The Oracle marketing attitude came across quite3 >> clearly however -- "Is there anybody in the room$ >> still using Oracle Rdb?". >  > I hope there was some...  A Perhaps more than for Oracle Classic, but I was not in a position ? to get a good view.  I was sitting fairly forward, but Norm wash+ sitting even more forward than my position.m   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:03:38 GMT4# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - RoadshowD Message-ID: <u3y29.5416$wh1.55@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ; See also http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,426234,00.aspx  H It appears that it was not that Rdb was the problem but that they bulkofC their experience/use *appeared* to be with Orcacle rather than Rdb.n  H Without knowing any of the rationales behind the decision, it would seemL that they made the move to Oracle 9i to maintain their experience/skills and< that they simultaneously made the decision to move from VMS.  I One fewer Rdb customer. Not because Rdb is bad, but because VMS customerse become former VMS customers.  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KKTTTFP02Y96Z9MP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...tF > > The Boston seminar also had a talk about Oracle Classic, and to meH > > it seemed they were announcing new features that have been in Oracle > > Rdb for years. >vE > Of course.  That might be one of the reasons why Oracle bought Rdb.a >I3 > > The Oracle marketing attitude came across quitetG > > clearly however -- "Is there anybody in the room still using Oracler Rdb?". >IE > There might not have been many people in the room, but Rdb is stilldF > going strong (and getting significant new features).  Maybe Not THATI > many sites and not THAT many people at each site (but, hey, it's a good-J > product so not that many are needed), but they tend to be sites which do5 > a lot of work where there really is no alternative.M   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:32:28 GMTw# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - RoadshowF Message-ID: <gCx29.5308$wh1.2205@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KKTTTFP02Y96Z9MP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...r >IE > There might not have been many people in the room, but Rdb is stilltF > going strong (and getting significant new features).  Maybe Not THATI > many sites and not THAT many people at each site (but, hey, it's a gooddJ > product so not that many are needed), but they tend to be sites which do5 > a lot of work where there really is no alternative.s  H All that may be true for the sites that use it, but at some point OracleL will probably say, "That's it for Rdb. We'll give you full credit to migrate7 to Oracle Xi on *ix. Sorry, that's the best we can do."N   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:53:02 GMTR, From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>E Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org, Terry Shannon knows XYZ and Evereybody heret> Message-ID: <ONy29.39567$Qn5.2219201@twister.southeast.rr.com>  J I'd be willing to try something like this.  Anyone object to running there8 sites on a (oh boy, here it comes) Linux server (duck!).  H I could probably swing getting the sites up on a OVMS server also.  ThatK route would take some time.  I'm in the process of getting up a OVMS server0  to act as a public file archive.  ? Any others interested in participating?  Just drop me an email, J kfarmer@openvms.org.  I probably wouldn't be interested unless there are a dozen or more responses.     --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org        ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messageh: news:20020731124809.42306.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com...1 > Reading the OpenVMS.org today I saw the face ofr0 > Terry Shannon ... so he is not a divine entity$ > as everybody used to suppose ! :-) > 0 > But I would like to know if we (from the list)- > would use OpenVMS.org as a "personal site", - > for example, to have my personal profile atl
 > the site...s >. > www.openvms.org/fabiocardoso >r > or >r > www.openvms.org/daviddachteran >d > or >s > www.openvms.org/arneval$##@  > * > I think it would be the better place for/ > us of the OVMS community to put our profiles. , > If Kenneth is able to make a standard form > for us to fill, etc ...c >c >b	 > Regardsl >e > FC >t >w > =====> > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazill > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?* > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.coma   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:39:21 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>E Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org, Terry Shannon knows XYZ and Evereybody hereO@ Message-ID: <20020802173921.47873.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>   KF   First vote is mine ! :-)   Regards    FC o/ --- Kenneth Farmer <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote:t4 > I'd be willing to try something like this.  Anyone > object to running theren1 > sites on a (oh boy, here it comes) Linux serveru
 > (duck!). > 2 > I could probably swing getting the sites up on a > OVMS server also.  Thatt4 > route would take some time.  I'm in the process of > getting up a OVMS server" > to act as a public file archive. > 4 > Any others interested in participating?  Just drop > me an email,. > kfarmer@openvms.org.  I probably wouldn't be > interested unless there are al > dozen or more responses. >  >  > -- >  > Kenneth Farmer > http://www.Tru64.org > http://www.OpenVMS.org >  >  >  > 5 > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote ino	 > messaget >r: news:20020731124809.42306.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com...3 > > Reading the OpenVMS.org today I saw the face ofo2 > > Terry Shannon ... so he is not a divine entity& > > as everybody used to suppose ! :-) > > 2 > > But I would like to know if we (from the list)/ > > would use OpenVMS.org as a "personal site", / > > for example, to have my personal profile ata > > the site...e > >t  > > www.openvms.org/fabiocardoso > >f > > or > >w! > > www.openvms.org/daviddachteras > >v > > or > >e > > www.openvms.org/arneval$##@h > >x, > > I think it would be the better place for1 > > us of the OVMS community to put our profiles.t. > > If Kenneth is able to make a standard form > > for us to fill, etc ...a > >  > >. > > Regardso > >l > > FC > >r > >r	 > > =====e > > ========================== > > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > > OpenVMS System Manager > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil0 > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > > ========================== > >>6 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!?, > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > > http://health.yahoo.comu >  >      =====e ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazild fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?( Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.comf   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:07:02 -0400n( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>2 Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C, Message-ID: <3D4A2186.2000308@tsoft-inc.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  = > I am trying to enhance an existing program written in the Cn > programming language.i    Q Sorry Larry.  I resisted once, but since the thread continues, I cannot hold out.>  Q To enhance a program written in C, you re-implement it in a reasonable language. i   :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 06:26:12 -0600c- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)y2 Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C3 Message-ID: <UpT5v2T4+F6Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <3D49EF58.9020504@qsl.network>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:  J > Apparently there is some reason that you can not use a static or global  > variable.e >rK > Or would declaring a static variable in the module where you declare the  G > exception handler be sufficient.  The "static" modifier prevents the >K > variable from being visible outside of the module, but inside the module  & > it is effectively a global variable.  @ I want to be resiliant against two threads getting the exceptionD approximately simultaneously.  I have found from the source listingsF that LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL innards are single-threaded vs. DECthreads,. but that does not protect my surrounding code.  J > Or is it that the routine could be invoked recursively or by concurrent 
 > threads?  E Today it cannot, but I have no control over what these people do withtG their software after I am done with them.  I dislike the idea of return,= engagements which result from inadequate planning on my part.r  J > In that case what you could use is a doubly linked list where you add a G > pointer to the context each time you enter a routine, and pop it off H& > when you leave.  A bit messy though.  B I don't think such a list would help for concurrent threads, since? the one that started first will not necessarily be the one thati ends first.,  J > The ability to nest procedures inside of procedures is something I miss  > from Pascal.  L Nested declarations are not sufficient.  Even Bliss has nested declarations,H but it required enable-actuals to make up for the fact that it lacks anyF uplevel addressing.  Pascal and Ada have both nested declarations andd) uplevel addressing.  C has none of these.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 06:17:29 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r2 Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C3 Message-ID: <kYs+ulSNhFO8@eisner.encompasserve.org>=  W In article <3D4A2186.2000308@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > >> I am trying to enhance an existing program written in the C >> programming language. >  > S > Sorry Larry.  I resisted once, but since the thread continues, I cannot hold out.- > S > To enhance a program written in C, you re-implement it in a reasonable language. n >   :-):  J I agree, but the people who own the code are paying me by the hour for the( time it takes to avoid that approach :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 07:43:21 -0600t- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)u2 Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C3 Message-ID: <Ovt4h1EfvVal@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <rdeininger-0208020812140001@1cust91.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:uK > In article <UpT5v2T4+F6Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.netd > (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >  > L >>> The ability to nest procedures inside of procedures is something I miss  >>> from Pascal. >>N >>Nested declarations are not sufficient.  Even Bliss has nested declarations,J >>but it required enable-actuals to make up for the fact that it lacks anyH >>uplevel addressing.  Pascal and Ada have both nested declarations andd+ >>uplevel addressing.  C has none of these.  > E > I'm not familiar with this terminology.  Could you give a short Ada0E > example of "uplevel addressing", and/or a short Bliss example using  > "enable-actuals"?e  D I posted pseudo-code while you were posting.  Let me know if that is inadequate.o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:14:11 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>w2 Subject: RE: Robust exception handler context in C9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEOBFHAA.tom@kednos.com>t  F Uplevel addressing, aka lexical scoping, simply referes to the abilityI to refer to a variable declared in a containing scope.  Of course, if alln youoK know is C, then containing scope doen't mean anything, since it isn't blockuG structured to start with, unless you use gnu C which I believe has thisE capability.@  L For example, in PL/I when a  condition is encounterd, e.g. zero divide,  the	 exceptionIL is invoked and it will look for a (user supplied) condition handler for this	 conditioneK in the current scope, if none is found it will look in the containing scopep	 and so onuK until it finds a condition handler matching this name.  If none is found it- uses theH default system handler.  It does this by unwinding the stacks, hence the
 term scoping.P  J This capability is essential for anyone writing commercial grade programs. The frustration H with writing code in C is that you must coninually reinvent the wheel to provide, inter alia,L this capability.  Unix has provided (somewhat hokey ) mechanisms to overcome the pedestrianD nature of the language, such as pipes and streams for semaphore like mechanisms longjumpr to unwind the current stack.   >-----Original Message-----i5 >From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] & >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:43 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com3 >Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in Cl >h >u >In articlee@ ><rdeininger-0208020812140001@1cust91.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,5 >rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:5L >> In article <UpT5v2T4+F6Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net >> (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:o >> >>; >>>> The ability to nest procedures inside of procedures iss >something I missn >>>> from Pascal.  >>>tA >>>Nested declarations are not sufficient.  Even Bliss has nested- >declarations,K >>>but it required enable-actuals to make up for the fact that it lacks any I >>>uplevel addressing.  Pascal and Ada have both nested declarations andde, >>>uplevel addressing.  C has none of these. >>F >> I'm not familiar with this terminology.  Could you give a short AdaF >> example of "uplevel addressing", and/or a short Bliss example using >> "enable-actuals"? > E >I posted pseudo-code while you were posting.  Let me know if that isi >inadequate. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.l; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).uA >Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002a >t ---a& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:53:47 +0200-6 From: Martin Heller <martin.heller@NOSPAM.mheller.org>E Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)m1 Message-ID: <3D4A489B.8020400@NOSPAM.mheller.org>w   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  V > In article <87d6t29hj7.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>, sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes: > 1 >>Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:w >> >>> >>>I am trying to enhance an existing program written in the C@ >>>programming language.  Since C lacks uplevel addressing, I amC >>>trying to figure out how to pass context to an exception handlert$ >>>using only stack local variables. >>> * >>>	In Bliss I would use an Enable Actual. >>>n= >>>	In Ada I would just declare a local variable in the scopec* >>>	where I declare the exception handler. >>>d" >>>How does one do this in DEC C ? >>>h9 >>I don't know if DEC/Compaq C has implemented try/catch.  >> > 3 > "Try/Catch" sounds like one is talking about C++.l > B > As luck would have it, this program really is compiled with C++. > E > But looking at Chapter 15 (Exception Handling) of The Annotated C++aB > Reference Manual by Ellis and Stroustrup I see try-block only asH > related to a throw-expression.  I do not have the luxury of specifyingG > how the exception is generated -- it comes from a general purpose VMSe; > RTL routine (LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, if you must know :-).t > B > Can anyone say how the DEC C++ compiler use of Try/Catch relatesF > to general VMS exception handling ?   I have given up trying to findG > anything useful in the DEC C++ documentation -- it seems to lack evenDG > a Language Reference Manual and does not even cover those features of9& > DEC C++ that are identical to DEC C.  C You should have looked at the "Guide to DECthreads" or whatever itseD called now and especially at the part about "Exception Programming".@ The "Considerations for OpenVMS Systems" part must be read, too.F DEC C/C++ implements TRY, CATCH, CATCH_ALL, ENDTRY, RAISE, RERAISE and0 FINALLY (as macros IIRC in pthread_exception.h). Hope this helps somehow,	 M. Hellerh   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 06:37:41 -0600-- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)ME Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really) 3 Message-ID: <BXVtg7jcmOsR@eisner.encompasserve.org>w  Z In article <vvvjkuorijni0l45r3v8bpiofl1apc9v2t@4ax.com>, lbohan@dbc..spamless..com writes:  / > Could you perhaps elaborate on what you mean  5 > by 'uplevel' addressing,  what sort of context you e> > would like to pass, and (maybe) what problem this 'context'  > would help solve?e  E Here is pseudo-code for the Ada (uplevel addressing) approach and the G Bliss (enable-actuals) approach.  Use of pseudo-code allows me to avoide, nit-picking response about coding errors :-)   Ada:   	Major_Routine is   " 		Storage_variable : Integer := 0;   		Exception_Handler is 		begini9 			Storage_variable := value_known_only_during_exception;e 		end;   		Enable Exception_handler;o   	begin	-- Major_Routinen 		-- 		Call LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL;  		--
 	exception 		--. 		Do_something_with_Storage_variable_contents; 		-- 	end;	-- Major_Routine   Bliss:   	Major_Routine ish  " 		Storage_variable : Integer := 0;  + 		Exception_Handler ( My_Enable_Actual ) isa 		begina9 			My_Enable_Actual := value_known_only_during_exception;i 			return SS$_CONTINUE;a 		end;  0 		Enable Exception_handler ( Storage_variable );   	begin	-- Major_Routined 		-- 		Call LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL;c 		--. 		Do_something_with_Storage_variable_contents; 		-- 	end;	-- Major_Routine  A Note again that while Bliss supports nested routine declarations,uF it does not have uplevel addressing, hence the enable-actual business.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 06:49:05 -0600u- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)yE Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)D3 Message-ID: <Iy2335lZNcYH@eisner.encompasserve.org>r   In article <craigberry-3A73B2.23384101082002@news.directvinternet.com>, "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> writes:.5 > In article <6l0$xIVa1ofd@eisner.encompasserve.org>,r1 >  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  > ) >> I do not have the luxury of specifyingaH >> how the exception is generated -- it comes from a general purpose VMS< >> RTL routine (LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, if you must know :-). > J > I'm in a bit over my head so I don't know if this is what you need, but ; > here are references that may be useful (excuse wrappage):e > K > <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/5763p054.html#vaxc_establish_o
 > routine> > K > <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/5763p011.html#sig_handle_vms_a	 > ex_sec>   F Those two are not responsive to my major problem statement, since theyF do nothing to pass data in a thread-safe fashion between the exceptionB handler and the routine that enabled it.  But they do reinforce myH point about needing the C documentation to deal with the C++ product :-) Thanks for the proof point.)  K > <http://public.activestate.com/cgi-bin/perlbrowse?filename=ext/DynaLoader 3 > /dl_vms.xs&action=print&patch=&.cgifields=action>i  C That is actually trying to do something similar to what I am doing,hA but I don't see any place it is addressing the problem I posed ofaA passing data out of the handler.  Function findsym_handler merelysB writes to SYS$OUTPUT/SYS$ERROR rather than storing information for  use by the establishing routine.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 07:05:28 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)2E Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)r3 Message-ID: <lDawnmvvvsXK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <3D4A489B.8020400@NOSPAM.mheller.org>, Martin Heller <martin.heller@NOSPAM.mheller.org> writes:  E > You should have looked at the "Guide to DECthreads" or whatever itslF > called now and especially at the part about "Exception Programming".B > The "Considerations for OpenVMS Systems" part must be read, too.  E Thanks for that pointer.  My problem is that I need this to work in acE non-DECthreads environment as well, and I am concerned that depending " outside DECthreads.  It also says:  ' >	5.1.1 Supported Programming Languages> > B >	You can use the exceptions package only when you are programmingA >	in the C language. While the exceptions will compile under C++,r  >	they will not behave properly.  : which eliminates that approach for me.  It goes on to say:  ? >	You can use the C language exception handling mechanism (SEH)a< >	to catch exceptions. You can catch exceptions in C++ using@ >	catch(...) , and propagation of exceptions will run C++ objectD >	destructors. Currently, C++ code cannot catch specific exceptions.? >	Also, CATCH , CATCH_ALL and FINALLY clauses will not run when9 >	C++ code raises an exception.o  > If C and C++ cannot even share exceptions using this approach,B I am extremely skeptical about them handling an exception properly> that was generated by the VMS component LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL.   Martin Heller also says:  H > DEC C/C++ implements TRY, CATCH, CATCH_ALL, ENDTRY, RAISE, RERAISE and2 > FINALLY (as macros IIRC in pthread_exception.h).  F Thanks for that insightful tip on how to determine the inner workings.C I will keep that in mind (I hope) for some future debugging effort,e@ but I am reluctant to design something new based on the internalA implementation specified there, since it seems to me HP/Intel are-0 free to change the innards for a future version.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:19:27 -0400o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)E Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really) J Message-ID: <rdeininger-0208020819270001@1cust91.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  I In article <Iy2335lZNcYH@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.neti (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:    L >> <http://public.activestate.com/cgi-bin/perlbrowse?filename=ext/DynaLoader4 >> /dl_vms.xs&action=print&patch=&.cgifields=action> >/D >That is actually trying to do something similar to what I am doing,B >but I don't see any place it is addressing the problem I posed ofB >passing data out of the handler.  Function findsym_handler merelyC >writes to SYS$OUTPUT/SYS$ERROR rather than storing information for ! >use by the establishing routine.   E Well, there you go!  Just have your handler save the information in a=C suitable RMS file, and the establishing routine can pick it up fromg+ there.  Or use a mailbox instead of a file.n  5 Weak programming languages require extreme solutions.    :-) :-)_  / (Yeah, I know it won't actually work this way.)u   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 07:47:06 -0600a- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)=E Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)e3 Message-ID: <$2Ae8Y2OiQXp@eisner.encompasserve.org>=   In article <rdeininger-0208020819270001@1cust91.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: K > In article <Iy2335lZNcYH@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.netu > (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >  > M >>> <http://public.activestate.com/cgi-bin/perlbrowse?filename=ext/DynaLoaderC5 >>> /dl_vms.xs&action=print&patch=&.cgifields=action>  >>E >>That is actually trying to do something similar to what I am doing, C >>but I don't see any place it is addressing the problem I posed ofbC >>passing data out of the handler.  Function findsym_handler merelyoD >>writes to SYS$OUTPUT/SYS$ERROR rather than storing information for" >>use by the establishing routine. > G > Well, there you go!  Just have your handler save the information in alE > suitable RMS file, and the establishing routine can pick it up fromD- > there.  Or use a mailbox instead of a file.n  C Ok, I've got that coded up with the mailbox now, but I need to pass.G the unique mailbox number from the handler to the establishing routine.eB I have decided to use a file to pass the mailbox number.  I figureA I will never have more than 32767 simultaneous threads, so I willeA just use file versions.  So how do I pass the version number fromf) the handler to the establishing routine ?t  7 > Weak programming languages require extreme solutions.. > 	 > :-) :-)e   :-)a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:09:49 GMTy- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>LE Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)h( Message-ID: <3D4A8E23.90409@qsl.network>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:V > In article <87d6t29hj7.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>, sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes: > E > But looking at Chapter 15 (Exception Handling) of The Annotated C++ B > Reference Manual by Ellis and Stroustrup I see try-block only asH > related to a throw-expression.  I do not have the luxury of specifyingG > how the exception is generated -- it comes from a general purpose VMSe; > RTL routine (LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, if you must know :-).a   Ah, but that is a big help.o  E If you just change the execption to be returned instead of signaled, h would that be sufficient?e    4 int LIB$SIG_TO_RET(void *__sigarr, void *__mecharr);   #pragma message save" #pragma message disable noparmlist int LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOLd.     (const struct dsc$descriptor_s * filename,,      const struct dsc$descriptor_s * symbol,      int (* * externproc) (),t0      const struct dsc$descriptor_s * imagename); #pragma message restorea     #include <signal.h>r  	 foo(void)s   { ;       /* LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SIGNAL needs a handler sometimes */0:      /*-------------------------------------------------*/3      VAXC$ESTABLISH((__vms_handler)LIB$SIG_TO_RET);   &      call_stat = LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL'                         (&filename_dsc,2%                          &symbol_dsc,v#                          &exec_rtn,i                          0);   }t  G Of course if this is targeted for OpenVMS 7.2 and later, the dlopen(),  F dlsym(), dlerror(), and dlclose() are the portable way to dynamically  load an external image.    -Johne wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyt   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 10:04:34 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) E Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)-3 Message-ID: <99OfHUKNEFbT@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  X In article <3D4A8E23.90409@qsl.network>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:W >> In article <87d6t29hj7.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>, sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes:. >> tF >> But looking at Chapter 15 (Exception Handling) of The Annotated C++C >> Reference Manual by Ellis and Stroustrup I see try-block only asrI >> related to a throw-expression.  I do not have the luxury of specifyingpH >> how the exception is generated -- it comes from a general purpose VMS< >> RTL routine (LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, if you must know :-). >  > Ah, but that is a big help.a > G > If you just change the execption to be returned instead of signaled, a > would that be sufficient?n  D No.  That is the whole point.  LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL signals chainedF messages with LIB$_ACTIMAGE, and those details are the important part.E Consider explicitly activating a shareable image that implicitly does"F an activation of multiple shareable images against which it is linked.D Learning the 32-bit code returned to LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL by systemB services SYS$IMGACT or SYS$IMGFIX is quite inadequate if you don'tH find out which of those multiple shareable images exhibited the problem.  I > Of course if this is targeted for OpenVMS 7.2 and later, the dlopen(), lH > dlsym(), dlerror(), and dlclose() are the portable way to dynamically  > load an external image.   E One would think so, based on the documentation, but in fact that crew'G cannot handle a full filespec passed to dlopen (at least as of VMS V7.3hD on Alpha).  Unix people swear to me that works on Unix.  I looked atI the source listings for dlsym and told them to forget it (not necessarilyo in that order) on VMS.  F The error, of course, occurs on dlsym rather than dlopen, since dlopenF on VMS just allocates and populates a string and a descriptor pointing to it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:31:15 GMTm From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net>iE Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)l2 Message-ID: <87wur95kvx.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:s  3 > "Try/Catch" sounds like one is talking about C++.,D The language feature was interesting enough that several people haveA implemented it in C. AS I noted earlier, most implementations are 7 macro-based, and may or may not be appropriate for yourn project.  B > As luck would have it, this program really is compiled with C++.4 Well, I'm not sure /luck/ is the word I'd choose ;-P   > E > But looking at Chapter 15 (Exception Handling) of The Annotated C++nB > Reference Manual by Ellis and Stroustrup I see try-block only asH > related to a throw-expression.  I do not have the luxury of specifyingG > how the exception is generated -- it comes from a general purpose VMSg; > RTL routine (LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, if you must know :-).>D The topic of exception handling occupies a statistically significantG portion of /The C/C++ Users Journal/ web site. I appreciate that you'refD on an hourly contract; http://www.cuj.com is an invaluable referenceF for the problem you're trying to solve. And yes, I do subscribe to the	 magazine.a  lB > Can anyone say how the DEC C++ compiler use of Try/Catch relatesF > to general VMS exception handling ?   I have given up trying to findG > anything useful in the DEC C++ documentation -- it seems to lack evensG > a Language Reference Manual and does not even cover those features of & > DEC C++ that are identical to DEC C.I HP/Compaq assumes that you'll be using one of the Many Fine Manuals w/r/t @ the language. On the plus side, the do include /The STL Tutorial Guide/..   -- i Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 11:41:33 -0600.- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)gE Subject: Re: Robust exception handler context in C (well, C++ really)13 Message-ID: <FRyE8FPe3j4D@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  T In article <87wur95kvx.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>, sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes:1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:e  F >> But looking at Chapter 15 (Exception Handling) of The Annotated C++C >> Reference Manual by Ellis and Stroustrup I see try-block only assI >> related to a throw-expression.  I do not have the luxury of specifyingyH >> how the exception is generated -- it comes from a general purpose VMS< >> RTL routine (LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, if you must know :-).F > The topic of exception handling occupies a statistically significantI > portion of /The C/C++ Users Journal/ web site. I appreciate that you'reiF > on an hourly contract; http://www.cuj.com is an invaluable referenceH > for the problem you're trying to solve. And yes, I do subscribe to the > magazine.w  @ I would suspect that source might describe methods to program in@ C and/or C++, but finding a method compatible with non-C signals5 from LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL seems unlikely over there.i  ( Google seems to agree, as searching for:   	vms signal site:cuj.com  > provides one page talking about signal-to-noise ratios and one, talking about "generic launching of VMs" :-)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:14:07 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>oX Subject: Serial Number for Hobbyist license on an Emulated VAX (was Re: VAX Hardware ID)6 Message-ID: <aieb4g$13krh1$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3D4AA76A.B1A9DF4C@aaa.com...t >...@ > So, yes, you can use whatever number (or text-string) you like= > when registering your hobbyist licenses, but there is realys- > no reason *not* to use the serial number...  >...  K Right, but when you have to create a number for your emulated VAX make sureeF you do not put any spaces in it. IIRC I used "Charon VAX" as my serialL number one time and I had some problem trying to enter the licenses. I thinkL the checksum could not validate or something like that. I had to go back and re-enter my number as "NONE."o    = Q. How do we know the real Pope was not in Toronto last week? L A. If the real Pope and Mel Lastman were that close, one of them should have  exploded in a ball of flames. :) -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.e   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:31:58 -0500 (CDT)2 From: Kevin Monceaux <OwnedByDogs@ClearSource.net>! Subject: TS10 emulator rom imagesnI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0208020126550.26270-100000@Linux.monceaux.com>d  H I've recently tried to check out the TS10 VAX emulator.  I would be veryH happy to have an emulator that has ethernet capabilities.  Where can oneE find the necessary rom images for the emulator?  The vax config filesxG point to files such as ka655p.rom and ka630v1.3.rom but those files areiH not included.  There is a rom directory on the ftp server TS10 is on but it is empty.     Thanks,F   Kevin_   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 09:33:33 -0600e From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>e% Subject: Re: TS10 emulator rom imagest4 Message-ID: <zCx29.6933$Ue6.6655@news.webusenet.com>   Kevin Monceaux wrote: J > I've recently tried to check out the TS10 VAX emulator.  I would be veryJ > happy to have an emulator that has ethernet capabilities.  Where can oneG > find the necessary rom images for the emulator?  The vax config files-I > point to files such as ka655p.rom and ka630v1.3.rom but those files areiJ > not included.  There is a rom directory on the ftp server TS10 is on but > it is empty. >   C Grab the simh collection. It has a rom image you can use with ts10.-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:46:06 +0100; From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcher@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk>o- Subject: Re: Using IBM drives on alpha system2> Message-ID: <uxs29.8274$oo4.7563@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>  G I have almost the same drive in my AS1000 - DHCS 04U which is the 16bityH version of your 8bit DHCS 04F. The drive is ID0 and so the only jumper IL have in place is the autostart jumper, although it will spin up without thatK in place when the SCSI adapter (PCI bus 16bit Qlogic ISP1020 aka KZPBA-CA IoL think) sends the SCSI start unit command. It's the only drive on the bus and= has a terminator next to it on the end of the internal cable.    -- Hope this helps. Colin # (colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk)f    ; "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> wrote in messagee5 news:000601c23975$4f24e4d0$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8...  >hK > The system is a Alpha 4/233 with the built in SCSI controller it also hasx ac7 > raid controller in it but not using that at this timea >e > I am trying to install 7.34 > The box has a SCSI cdrom and this drive initially.H > I have since put in a Seagate drive and loaded VMS on it just fine.  I haveK > tried disabling scsi parity and drive attention all with the same resultst > init dka100: disk J > media is offline.    It also gives me an error msg saying dka0 (the bootE > seagate drive) is offline and goes into mount verification and theny remounts > dka0:h, > here is the page with the jumper settings:9 > http://www.storage.ibm.com/hdd/support/dchs/dchs_ps.pdfs >  >aK > Got a free drive to anyone that can tell me what setting I need to set toS > get these to work ! :) >i > Hank Vander Waal >t1 > VMS - is there anything that DARES to compare??-# > Unix  - for hackers - by hackers!0 > You get what you pay for ! >  >r >K > -----Original Message----- > From: Bart Z. Lederman8 > [mailto:lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com]) > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:31 AM8 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>/ > Subject: Re: Using IBM drives on alpha system> >i >:L > In article <rdeininger-3107021829480001@1cust84.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,6 > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:K > >In article <003301c2389e$0271b5f0$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>, "Hank Vandero' > >Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> wrote:m > >hH > >>I came into possesion of a bunch of IBM SCSI drives (model DCHS04F ) ande > am > >>trying to get themL > >>to init on an alpha station.  The system sees the drive and when booting > VMS J > >>I can show dev/full and it shows me the drive info.  But when I try to > initH > >>it - I all I get is "Medium is offline".  Has anyone else used these > drivesH > >>or have any ideas what might have to be changed on them to make them work > on > >>this system ?? > >sG > >Um, you forgot to say what version of VMS you're running, and that's	G > >likely the most important factor for getting SCSI drives working (ort > >mostly working).o > >n > C > At this point, it will probably also help if you say exactly whatu? > your hardware is: which alpha station, which SCSI controller,a. > how it's cabled, and what else is connected. >o > --* >  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only > : >  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission: >  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing >  list of any kind. >C7 >  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have aa7 >  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.i >f >t >o   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 10:29:35 GMT 3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)l- Subject: RE: Using IBM drives on alpha systeme0 Message-ID: <aidmuf$ec3$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  n In article <000601c23975$4f24e4d0$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>, "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> writes: >rL >The system is a Alpha 4/233 with the built in SCSI controller it also has a6 >raid controller in it but not using that at this time >e >I am trying to install 7.3 3 >The box has a SCSI cdrom and this drive initially.aL >I have since put in a Seagate drive and loaded VMS on it just fine.  I haveJ >tried disabling scsi parity and drive attention all with the same results >init dka100: diskI >media is offline.    It also gives me an error msg saying dka0 (the boot M >seagate drive) is offline and goes into mount verification and then remountsI >dka0:+ >here is the page with the jumper settings:o8 >http://www.storage.ibm.com/hdd/support/dchs/dchs_ps.pdf >a >eJ >Got a free drive to anyone that can tell me what setting I need to set to >get these to work ! :)i  D Parity should be enabled, so the jumper doesn't need to be in place.O Termination must be disabled and the drive should not provice termination poweroK to the bus. The drive should autostart without a delay. I can't have a looksK at the PDF at the moment (typing this on an old Mac Performa475). But theseoJ should be the settings. If the drive has been in use before in some exotic; system it might be necessary to low-level format the drive.j   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanno  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 01:36:07 -0700i' From: fausap@unina.it (Fausto Saporito)  Subject: VAX Hardware ID= Message-ID: <2348b30e.0208020036.4b6b7bd4@posting.google.com>.  
 Hello all,  . i'm using ts10 emulator to install OpenVMS 7.2? I use ka655.cfg and I use also the rom package supplied by simhn package: ka655.binF Now, if I understood well, the VAX emulated by ts10 is a MicroVAX 3900! but I don't know its hardware id.h  9 I need this info in order to request an hobbyist license.i  D Actually I have already installed the system bypassing the licensing phase.5 Is there a system command to display the hardware id?t   thanks in advance, Fausto   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:16:13 +0200 From: "vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>u Subject: Re: VAX Hardware ID6 Message-ID: <aidm5i$13amjf$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   $ sh lic/charged  * VMS/LMF Charge Information for node CHLOOR  6 This is a VAXstation 4000-90A, hardware model type 475  6 "Fausto Saporito" <fausap@unina.it> schreef in bericht7 news:2348b30e.0208020036.4b6b7bd4@posting.google.com...< > Hello all, >k0 > i'm using ts10 emulator to install OpenVMS 7.2A > I use ka655.cfg and I use also the rom package supplied by simh  > package: ka655.binH > Now, if I understood well, the VAX emulated by ts10 is a MicroVAX 3900# > but I don't know its hardware id.t >a; > I need this info in order to request an hobbyist license.c >aF > Actually I have already installed the system bypassing the licensing > phase.7 > Is there a system command to display the hardware id?x >t > thanks in advance, > Fausto   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 07:07:40 -0700u' From: fausap@unina.it (Fausto Saporito)  Subject: Re: VAX Hardware ID< Message-ID: <2348b30e.0208020607.b35afa2@posting.google.com>  [ "vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message news:<aidm5i$13amjf$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>...a > $ sh lic/charge  > , > VMS/LMF Charge Information for node CHLOOR > 8 > This is a VAXstation 4000-90A, hardware model type 475 In my case I have:   $ sh lic/charge(* VMS/LMF Charge Information for node KELVIN8 This is a VAXserver 3900 Series, hardware model type 119O Type: A, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)h4 Type: B, Units Required: 100    (VAX/VMS F&A Server)9 Type: C, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Concurrent User)l5 Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation)_D Type: E, Units Required: 50     (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)6 Type: F, Units Required: 10     (VAX Layered Products)* Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved)8 Type: H, * Not Permitted *      (Alpha Layered Products)2 Type: I, Units Required: 10     (Layered Products)  
 Is it normal? C In this case my CPU Serial Number is 119, I suppose. Or am I wrong?    thanks in advance, Fausto   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:38:11 +0100l( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: VAX Hardware ID) Message-ID: <3D4A9953.63FA4DB1@127.0.0.1>-   Fausto Saporito wrote: >  ...r > Is it normal?t   Normal display, yes.  E > In this case my CPU Serial Number is 119, I suppose. Or am I wrong?l  E I've taken the hardware ID to be the AYnnnnnnnn number stamped on then chassis.  + (The letters may vary and number of digits)e  G With a virtual VAX it is slightly trickier, is there a generic emulatorsF code to be used? (General question to hobbyist licence administration)   -- d? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencese nclews at csc dot coma   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:28:46 +0000 (UTC)% From: John Forkosh <john@invalid.com>  Subject: Re: VAX Hardware ID, Message-ID: <aie8fe$gim$1@reader2.panix.com>  ) Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:s : Fausto Saporito wrote: : >  : ...L : > Is it normal?e :g : Normal display, yes. :tG : > In this case my CPU Serial Number is 119, I suppose. Or am I wrong?a :bG : I've taken the hardware ID to be the AYnnnnnnnn number stamped on thes
 : chassis. :i- : (The letters may vary and number of digits)  :LI : With a virtual VAX it is slightly trickier, is there a generic emulatoriH : code to be used? (General question to hobbyist licence administration)  8 Yes, I've registered hobbyist VAX/VMS licenses using the7 S/N hardware id stamped on the identification plates onr' the back of the machines.  For example,t      Model: VS46K-AD      S/N: ABnnnnnccc: where the n's are digits and the c's are alphabetic (A-Z).  5 But I also discovered that it doesn't seem to matter.p3 When I got a second VAXstation, I "cloned" the disk : of the first one and mounted it in the second.  I intended2 to register another VAX/VMS license with Montagar,0 but the second machine booted and ran just fine.9 It doesn't seem to care that the VMS "cloned" license wasn4 registered with a hardware id which doesn't actually match the machine.:      So I'd guess Fausto can "compose" his own hardware id< and it will work fine, but I don't really know anything here< for sure.  Should I have registered a second VMS license for= my second VS?  The layered products license doesn't even have@! a hardware id associated with it.s --  > John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 17:38:18 +0200i9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>a Subject: Re: VAX Hardware ID' Message-ID: <3D4AA76A.B1A9DF4C@aaa.com>   < As far as I know, the "ABnnnnnccc" number isn't even *known*; inside the box, and even less inside any operationg system.o4 It's just a label with an unique serial number glued on the outside.e  > So, yes, you can use whatever number (or text-string) you like; when registering your hobbyist licenses, but there is realyf+ no reason *not* to use the serial number...c   Jan-Erik Sderholm.p   John Forkosh wrote:  > : > Yes, I've registered hobbyist VAX/VMS licenses using the9 > S/N hardware id stamped on the identification plates ono) > the back of the machines.  For example,a >      Model: VS46K-AD >      S/N: ABnnnnnccc< > where the n's are digits and the c's are alphabetic (A-Z). > 7 > But I also discovered that it doesn't seem to matter.i   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:29:23 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukQ Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?n* Message-ID: <aidmu3$k7$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>  a In article <RcDIJ13ndcYk@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:Cg >In article <dd3f0cb7.0208011006.19af1335@posting.google.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes:hi >> young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<oEaN00xk0BVc@eisner.encompasserve.org>... j >>> In article <dd3f0cb7.0207311136.7c351e73@posting.google.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes: >>>  >>> > A >	Finally, there is a very good CRON available.  Written entirelye@ >	in DCL.  I took the original VAX Pro version and tweeked it to? >	have a 1 minute increment just like the Eunuchs weenies have.  >r   Where is this available from ?  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >e >Sample crontab.dat: >u ># crontab.dat) ># minute, hour, day, month, dow, commandsJ >12 25 22 1 4 submit/queue=sys$batch/noprint/log user10:[user.ryoung]t.comF >0 5 * * 5,6 purge/nolog/keep=5 the_base:[log] ! Friday Saturday purge ># ># end crontab.dat >o >-A >	I had some Operator punk kill it off in Buenos Aires so I stucki1 >	a routine in there to flip bits and make it an sB >	undeletable/unsuspendable process.   Would have been precious to< >	see his expression when he couldn't stop/id it anymore ;-) >	 >o >$!eF >$!      A modified version of a Cron taken from an old VAX Pro.  NoteE >$!      that the original worked on an hourly basis.  This one works L >$!      on 5 (1 on Alpha) minute increments.  It will round to the nearest B >$!      5 (or 1) minutes to determine whether to run it or not.  J >$!      Commands will be SPAWNED unless SUBMIT is present in the command. >$!oD >$!      The author of this procedure is Upcasing the input command. >$!-2 >$!                      Rob Young    May 14, 1993 >$!t7 >$!      Added make_invincible        February 11, 1994b8 >$!      Added initialization         September 15, 1995F >$!                      Initialization will allow us to support cronsK >$!                      running from several nodes as it uses the nodenameaK >$!                      as part of the crontab filename (if found uses it,i; >$!                      otherwise defaults to crontab.dat)e >$! 6 >$!      Changed day_of_week to reflect Unix behavior: >$!,# >$!      Sunday = 0 .. Saturday = 6  >$!oI >$!      Modified wait_minute so that Cron now can do 1 minute incrementsh7 >$!      on Alpha's.                  February 17, 1998o >$!t< >$! A VMS version of the UNIX cron facility.  Reads the fileM >$! crontab.dat every 5 (1 Minute on Alpha) minutes and performs the commandsN% >$! according to the following rules:p >$! ; >$! each line contains 6 fields separated by tabs or spacesaL >$! The fields are minutes (0-60), hours (0-23), days (1-31), months (1-12),G >$! day of week (1-7) and command line. (unix has a minutes field too.) E >$!                              so does this one now --^^^^^^^^^^^^^  >$!iH >$! The number parameters can be one of these: (can mix and match types)) >$!    single number    - matches exactlyc< >$!    number-number    - matches inclusive range, note thatL >$!                       1-3 matches 1,2, or 3 but 22-2 (for hours) matches9 >$!                       22,23,0,1,2.  Time goes around.l- >$!    number,number... - matches any in listo% >$!    *                - matches anye >$!o? >$! All four time fields must match for command to be executed.i >$!e' >$! lines starting with # are comments.  >$!vM >$! The command line goes to the end of line or to a %.  If there is a % thenpM >$! it is taken as a EOL for the command, further elements separated by % are-I >$! taken as input data lines to the command.  The command is executed as L >$! a subprocess from the account running cron.com, except if it is a submitL >$! command in which case it is executed immediately.  Since this is usuallyJ >$! the system account you should consider this facility mostly for systemK >$! functions.  You can do something for another user by making the commandrD >$! a submit/user=somebody of a command file or a run/uic=something. >$!sD >$! logging of activity is done with writes to sys$output.  This canC >$! be directed to a file during debugging or send to nl: when cront! >$! is run as a detached process.  >$!s >$!m >$!e! >$! Make this routine undeletable- >$!- >$ bypass_comments:a >$! call make_invincible 6 >$       call initialization$ >$       if .not. cron_been_started  >$ then  >$       call start_cron
 >$       exite >$ endif >$!9 >7, >	I no longer ship the make_invincible call. >e@ >	CRON may be a good solution for you.  There are a hundred waysG >	to skin this cat.  Multiple jobs running is unacceptable to me (anal?I9 >	no... it is something that shouldn't be.... so I fix ).p >u >				Rob >t   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2002 07:48:11 -0600P+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)mQ Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ? 3 Message-ID: <OdXCHYh3gtRm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <aidmu3$k7$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:.c > In article <RcDIJ13ndcYk@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: h >>In article <dd3f0cb7.0208011006.19af1335@posting.google.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes:j >>> young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<oEaN00xk0BVc@eisner.encompasserve.org>...k >>>> In article <dd3f0cb7.0207311136.7c351e73@posting.google.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes:  >>>> t >>>> > lB >>	Finally, there is a very good CRON available.  Written entirelyA >>	in DCL.  I took the original VAX Pro version and tweeked it tor@ >>	have a 1 minute increment just like the Eunuchs weenies have. >> >   > Where is this available from ? >   B 	Give me a day or two.  I'm going to pretty it up and put a READMEC 	with it and send it to Hunter and keeper of the freeware.  I stillgC 	want to attribute the original author.  My attic is very hot right ? 	now and don't feel like rummaging around for VAX Pros.  Anyone  	recall who it was?e   				Rob    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.423 ************************