1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 09 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 436       Contents: Re: Advanced Server issues...  Re: Advanced Server issues...  Re: Advanced Server issues...  Re: Advanced Server issues... # Re: BASIC LIB$routine help required + RE: Battery replacement on Raid Array 7000?  Re: Compression on DLT backup  RE: Compression on DLT backup  Re: Compression on DLT backup 4 Re: Counting records in a file - Null device details DecServer 700 help.  Edsger Dijkstra is dead 7 Re: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidates 7 Re: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidates 7 Re: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidates $ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace$ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly> Re: HPQ Moving Much Of Its Technical/Customer Support Offshore# List of ASC/ASCQ codes for TL891/2?  Optical Storage Systems  RSH to captive account Re: RSH to captive account2 Re: Samsung says alpha lives ... Gartner loses ... Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  tcpware for vax etc.
 unsubscrie VAX Routing " [ANNOUNCE] OpenSSL 0.9.6g released  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 03:21:33 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> & Subject: Re: Advanced Server issues...* Message-ID: <3D5330A2.3060506@qsl.network>   Michael Austin wrote:  >   K > Actually this is a new install of Advanced Server (no previous Pathworks   > versions...) > 
 > OpenVMS 7.3  > Advanced Server 7.3 ) > hardware support only. (Clients system)   G Instead of having the Advanced Server be a domain controller in the NT  E domain, your client may want to consider having it a resource domain   that trusts the NT domain.  E You only need a one way trust where the VMS domain trusts the NT and   other domains.  F This allows you to maintain the two domains separately, but still use I the security information from the NT domain for the access that you want    to permit on the OpenVMS system.  G NT Domain administrators login's can be used on the Admin interface to  - allow DCL scripting to NT account management.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 01:32:48 -0700 - From: bobmarlow@postmaster.co.uk (Bob Marlow) & Subject: Re: Advanced Server issues...= Message-ID: <c5d3d5e1.0208090032.5225786e@posting.google.com>   E Could this be an echo of an old V5/V6 problem where both the computer ; and Admin/Administrator have to exist as Lan Manager Users?     A If you can , check the list of users. In V5, if your computer was C 'FLACS', then 'FLACS' HAD to exist as a user, or pathworks wouldn't F start. Amending the Admin and Administrators users might help as well,F perhaps as our colleague mentioned, this would fix the 'SAM' database.  1 Otherwise it's the Windows method (re-install!!).   F On your earlier question, as you've got TCP/IP installed, you can pingD the server, and at least see if TCP/IP is running. That doesn't tellD you whether Pathworks is running, but you can tell that straightaway# by trying to map a share from a PC.      Bob           n Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com_x> wrote in message news:<3D53268A.9000404@firstdbasource.com_x>...$ > rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz wrote: > > Michael, > > G > > First off I'm using Pathworks 6.1, not Advanced Server but I've had  > > similar problems. - > > I'm guessing this has worked in the past?  >  > K > Actually this is a new install of Advanced Server (no previous Pathworks   > versions...) > 
 > OpenVMS 7.3  > Advanced Server 7.3 ) > hardware support only. (Clients system)  >  >  > > I > > Sometimes the SAM can get trashed, not sure how. There's a utility to . > > check it,  SYS$SYSTEM:PWRK$SAMCHECK.EXE.> - > > The "solution" can be to rebuild the SAM. 2 > > You'll need to close down Advanced Server, runG > > sys$update:pwrk$config.com and first change the Domain to something E > > that doesn't exist. Go right through and let it build everything. D > > Then go back in and redo the config but this time using the liveI > > details for your domain.  You'll need a suitable Domain Admin account  > > and password etc.  > > J > > This happened a lot in earlier versions of Pathworks but I've not seen) > > it in Pathworks 6.1 (ADV Server 7.3).  > >  > > Rob. >  > <snip>   ------------------------------   Date: 9 AUG 2002 15:17:55 GMT 4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)& Subject: Re: Advanced Server issues...5 Message-ID: <9AUG02.15175530@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>   K In a previous article, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com_x> wrote:   G ->%PWRK-E-ERRACCCOM, account synchronization of computer "FLACS" failed C ->-PWRK-E-DCNOTFND, cannot find Primary Domain Controller for "MMM"   * Can you contact the PDC using NBSHOW? E.g.  # $ @sys$manager:pwrk$define_commands 0 $ nbshow knbstatus MMM			! For the TCP transport3 $ nbshow nbstatus MMM			! For the NETBeui transport   B Also, does MMM have a DNS entry? Shouldn't be necessary if BDC andC PDC are on the same network (will be resolved using broadcasts) but  might be worth a try.    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 9 --                      karcher.nospam@waisman.wisc.edu      ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 00:53:51 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz & Subject: Re: Advanced Server issues...% Message-ID: <3d53107d.866926424@news>    Michael,  C First off I'm using Pathworks 6.1, not Advanced Server but I've had  similar problems. ) I'm guessing this has worked in the past?   E Sometimes the SAM can get trashed, not sure how. There's a utility to ( check it,  SYS$SYSTEM:PWRK$SAMCHECK.EXE.  ) The "solution" can be to rebuild the SAM. . You'll need to close down Advanced Server, runC sys$update:pwrk$config.com and first change the Domain to something A that doesn't exist. Go right through and let it build everything. @ Then go back in and redo the config but this time using the liveE details for your domain.  You'll need a suitable Domain Admin account  and password etc.   F This happened a lot in earlier versions of Pathworks but I've not seen% it in Pathworks 6.1 (ADV Server 7.3).    Rob.  2 On Wed, 07 Aug 2002 21:58:20 -0400, Michael Austin% <maustin@firstdbasource.com_x> wrote:   B >I have read the docs until I am cross-eyed and cannot see why my E >Advanced Server 7.3 cannot find the PDC (primary domain controller)  H >which is a WNT 4.0 server.  I had to disable the browser services on 3 M >new NT5.0 servers so that I could at least browser the network neighborhood.  >  >MMM\\FLACS> show admin  >Administration information: >  > & >The domain being administered is: MMM3 >The domain controller for the domain is: (unknown) ) >The domain controller type is: (unknown)  > ( >The server being administered is: FLACS0 >The server type is: Advanced Server for OpenVMS >   >The user name is: Administrator: >The user is not logged on and has not been authenticated.6 >The user's workstation is FLACS and is in domain MMM. >  >MMM\\FLACS> show version  > ! >Advanced Server V7.3 for OpenVMS  > , >MMM\\FLACS> set computer flacs/account_syncF >%PWRK-E-ERRACCCOM, account synchronization of computer "FLACS" failedB >-PWRK-E-DCNOTFND, cannot find Primary Domain Controller for "MMM" > H >The only article I can find on this relates to possible netmask issues 0 >and I have verified the netmask to be the same. > + >Any ideas on where I should begin to look?  >  >Michael Austin  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 17:33:57 GMT  From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> , Subject: Re: BASIC LIB$routine help required2 Message-ID: <87adnwexvr.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  * Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> writes:  > >         external long function do_it( string, long BY VALUE)C I was under the impression that one would use external sub. Doesn't : the compiler generate different code for function vs. sub?  ( > and change the first line of do_it to: > 6 >         Sub do_it (string tiempo$, long I% BY VALUE)( Aren't longs implicitly passed by value?  ; > Secondly, function routine addresses must be passed using  > the LOC() function:  > 9 >         call lib$show_timer(tiempo, 0%, LOC(do_it), 6%) B This is interesting. I checked in some code I contributed to DECUS> that combines BASIC and callable TPU to interact with VMS helpD libraries (HLM). There is one example of sending a call-back routineC to the librarian, and it doesn't use the LOC() function; which code + works despite omitting the LOC() reference.   A > Finally, the function definition for lib$show_timer should work A > as-is, but to be absolutely proper should be changed to specify : > the function routine passing mechanism as LONG BY VALUE: > @ >         external long function lib$show_timer(LONG,          &@ >                                               Long,          &@ >                                               Long by value, &5 >                                               Long) 1 Hasn't the BASIC team ported the LIB headers yet?   E > It immediately showed me that do_it had to be declared.  Otherwise, D > the compiler was trying to create a new variable named do_it.  AddB > this to all your programs and you will be greatly rewarded.  :-)   Loudly seconded.   --   Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:41:04 -0400* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>4 Subject: RE: Battery replacement on Raid Array 7000?- Message-ID: <0033000076002720000002L002*@MHS>   8 =0AOn the one hand, a battery is a battery is a battery*  4 (*If they're the same type and capacity, of course).  / As I recall, they're sealed lead-acid units and . they have a life of something like four years.  6 I would *not* recommend buying one aftermarket because. you don't know how long it's sat on the shelf.  : On the other hand, if the RA7000's set up like the RA8000,3 the cables connecting the controller to the battery . (we call them trilinks) have three connectors:  < battery swaps are usually done by connecting the new battery: to the third connector before disconnecting the old one so3 the controllers don't get weirded out by the sudden  disappearance of battery power.   8 You won't have this option if you replace the innards of the cache battery SBB.  2 (Are there any of those "WARRANTY VOID IF REMOVED"-  stickers on it at disassembly points?)   :^)   7 Using non-Compaq batteries might give the support folks : something to point a finger at if your RA7000 has problems down the road.  8 Digital used to have parts depots located around the US;4 the last time I spoke with one I was in the early to9 mid-Ninties on a road trip to an affiliate bank in Macon, : Georgia and debating whether to replace boards in an LA120= (there weren't but two) or just heave the whole thing out the  window.   : As I recall, the price the depot in Warner Robins, Georgia7 quoted me to swap either board didn't justify doing so.    :^)    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ' Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:22 PM B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET0 Subject: Battery replacement on Raid Array 7000?    > I have a Raid Array 7000 which appears to have dead batteries.  7 In looking at the battery assembly it seems that it's a 2 pretty pedestrian battery wrapped up in some fancy4 electronics and packaging. The cost to buy an entire8 new assembly (HS35X-BB) seems to be many hundreds of $$.  7 Is it possible to buy just the battery and swap it into 2 the carrier ( it just clips in, looks like about a0 5 minute job )? The battery has a part number of 12-46670-01.  ; Failing that, does Compaq have a "parts exchange" price for ; replacement batteries? Seems one ought to get a substantial 9 credit for returning the carrier and control electronics.   I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=  =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D B Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnettE                                                      Host: mala.bc.ca H Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)740-629= 7=   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 07:13:35 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>& Subject: Re: Compression on DLT backup) Message-ID: <3D535D8F.6CE623E8@127.0.0.1>    Paul Repacholi wrote:  > - > Virginia Rogers <vrogers@umich.edu> writes:  > D > > By images, I mean nuclear medicine images of the body, where theC > > part being imaged (for example the brain) is in the middle of a ? > > 128x128 matrix, and the surrounding pixels are mostly zero.  > : > Mostly *almost* zero! Noise is horrid for compression :(   Mostly harmless.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:07:50 +0100* From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com>& Subject: RE: Compression on DLT backupM Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E88B@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>   J We have 2 ES40's which I break the shadow set every night to backup from &I put them back, & adding Compression has decreased the backup time by just L over a 3rd - We use OVMS7.2-2 with a dedicated SCSI controller & TZ89's. OurK previous AS1200's decreased by about the same margin, & they were to a TZ87  in a BA350 cab.   F Could an almost exhausted, or just low system resource account for theF increase? I'm just worried incase this becomes an issue in the future.   Regards 	 Andrew R.    -----Original Message-----4 From: Tom Simpson [mailto:simpsont@attbi.com.fubar]  Sent: 08 August 2002 23:54 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & Subject: Re: Compression on DLT backup  
 <Big Snip> > J >On our ES40 (VMS 7.2-1, latest "1" patches) with a dedicated SCSI adapter for the tape and low system H >activity, the times almost doubled.  It was dramatically worse when the# normal user load was on the system.  > 	 >Regards,  >Tom  
 <End Snip>   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:26:21 GMT . From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@attbi.com.fubar>& Subject: Re: Compression on DLT backup, Message-ID: <x6D49.36720$nF5.9374@sccrnsc02>  J I understand the theory behind why it _should_ be faster and I expected it to be faster, thenI I ran some tests.  I've just never seen any facts and figures to back the  theory up.  I'd likeL to hear someone with a similar setup that has had positive measured results.  4 I've given up on it and disabled it for our backups.   Regards, Tom   4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message& news:8AUG200217264524@gerg.tamu.edu... > Roy@Omond.net writes...  > }Tom Simpson wrote:  > } C > }> Expect your Backup times to (at least) double with compression 
 enabled... > }  > }Eh ?  Why ? > } 4 > }Nonsense, I wouldn't expect anything of the sort. > }  > }Roy Omond > . > In fact, it is usually exactly the opposite. > B > The tape goes through the drive at the same rate whenther or not@ > you are using compression. Using compression puts more data onD > the same amount of tape. Thus it has to effectively write the dataC > faster. (As far as the tape is concerned it is the same amount of F > data being written at the same speed - but each byte on tape is moreD > than one byte before the compression happens, so the net effect isF > faster actual data transfer to get the compressed data transfer rateI > to tape to be the same as the uncompressed data transfer rate to tape.)  > B > If you get 2:1 compression, your backup will take half as long -A > assuming you can keep up with the faster data transfer and keep B > the drive streaming as much as it has been. If you can't keep upC > it will not be twice as fast, and might be a bit slower if it hasS > to do this a lot.  >a
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 09:47:42 GMTu7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) = Subject: Re: Counting records in a file - Null device details ! Message-ID: <Wt26UOGT9eWH@rabbit>e  
 Hi Atlant,  0 Here's what my null device looks line (VMS 7.3):  " RABBIT::SYSTEM  $ sho dev/full nl:  I Device NLA0:, device type null device, is online, record-oriented device,iH     shareable, mailbox device.                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed               1122aO     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                         [1,1] O     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot    S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPLsO     Reference count                6    Default buffer size                 512i    c In article <3D53BFCE.D67EB69C@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:w! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:o > F >> Some tests I posted yesterday indicate a gain of 6 to 1 by changing. >> the search string from "somegarbage" to "". >>D >> A test I did a moment ago indicated a loss of 9 to 1 going from a2 >> search for "" to a COPY/LOG to the null device. > 4 > I dunno if it's still true, but it used to be true4 > years ago that the Null device was actually pretty8 > darned slow in a lot of situations. It turned out that4 > the Null device was a (I haven't got these details6 > clear) byte-oriented, not record-oriented device, so7 > software spent a lot of work reformatting the data inA6 > order to write it to the Null device (which promptly- > threw the painfully-reformatted data away).r > ; > I thought this got fixed, but I could easily be mistaken.  >  > Atlant >  >  -- a Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"t "Lose the MAPS"n   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 09:48:11 -0700 % From: scada@cyberunlimited.org (Jeff)e Subject: DecServer 700 help.= Message-ID: <39ac55d0.0208090848.697cbe3f@posting.google.com>u  G Can anyone please email me and tell me what the difference is between aiG DecServer 700-08 DSRVW-YA and the DSRVW-ZA. Also the difference betweeno Revision A01 and A02.o   Thanks.C   Jeff - scada@cyberunlimited.orgt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:55:05 +0100- From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>2  Subject: Edsger Dijkstra is dead) Message-ID: <3D53C9BA.E55C2846@Omond.net>:  $ Sad news:  Edsger Dijkstra has died.: See: http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=7338/ddj1028798699611/  9 For those who don't know who he was, I suggest you shoulde learn.  	 Roy Omondt Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:30:55 -0500/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> @ Subject: Re: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for CandidatesT Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C75B@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  K The door is still open if any of you c.o.v. VMS advocates would like to sittB on the board of Encompass.  Encompass is looking for folks who areF interested in helping set the strategy for Encompass.  There are threeD vacancies and applications are being accepted until August 12, 2002. Applications can be found at:aA <http://www.encompassus.org/membership/bodcallforcandidates.html>sI There are 3-4 meetings a year that Encompass pays the travel expenses formB and there are a higher number of conference calls.  As far as timeD commitment goes its peaks and valleys between 15 and 5% of a typical workweek.      EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**y   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:13:22 -0700o+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> @ Subject: Re: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidates' Message-ID: <3D53F832.8040400@MMaz.com>s   Hi Ed,  I a hesitation that I have, which may be common to many from the old camp,  D is pretty simple...  With what Palmer did, then Compaq, and now the I unknown HP, I see little motivation to evangelize VMS when the owners of o@ this product have used it as their cash providing whipping post.  D Using VMS since 1979, I have lived through the blunders of Digital, H though they were still a good provider of technologies but I have never G liked Compaq or HP and prior to those acquisitions, neither were on my   vendor supplier lists.    H So, to be willing to make a weekly time commitment of 5% to 15% weekly, E is asking a lot when the only interest I have from HP is VMS and VMS  > remains that lingering question mark with a very dim future...  
 Best regards,u   Barry Treahy  F ps. a rather amusing call was received I as completed this message, a = member from Encompass was ringing about attending this years uF conference...  She was interested in why I would not be in attendance G and it was pretty much the same answer, I have no interest in anything n@ HP has to say beyond VMS and so far that has been very little...     Stuart, Ed wrote:e  L >The door is still open if any of you c.o.v. VMS advocates would like to sitC >on the board of Encompass.  Encompass is looking for folks who arenG >interested in helping set the strategy for Encompass.  There are three E >vacancies and applications are being accepted until August 12, 2002.r >Applications can be found at:B ><http://www.encompassus.org/membership/bodcallforcandidates.html>J >There are 3-4 meetings a year that Encompass pays the travel expenses forC >and there are a higher number of conference calls.  As far as time:E >commitment goes its peaks and valleys between 15 and 5% of a typical  >workweek.   >s >Ed F >**Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.** >s >  >  u >i   --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028X   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 19:28:44 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>c@ Subject: Re: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidates' Message-ID: <3D53FBCC.60672FC0@aaa.com>   ; Then I'd bet that you might find the comming  HPETS-2002 tol; be interesting, this is the number of technical sessions inn the different areas :    NonStop       5 sessions Linux         8 sessions HP-UX/Tru64   8 sessions MS .NET      17 sessions OpenVMS      22 sessions   :-)2   Jan-Erik Sderholm.h   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: >   # > ...I have no interest in anythingcB > HP has to say beyond VMS and so far that has been very little... >n   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Aug 2002 19:46:44 -0700e. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0208081846.6a5b050a@posting.google.com>   d "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> wrote in message news:<3d52d272$1_3@nopics.sjc>...= > "Alan E. Feldman" <SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM> wrote in messageu > J > > Example where EDT is faster and EVE is slower and incorrect! (vms 6.1)G > > (Note: I lowercased all characters in a Pascal listing file because I > > EVE substitutes differently than EDT, preserving case in the originalsG > > string. With all lowercase letters, we can DIFF the resulting filese# > > and obtain meaningful results.)\ > I > Case insensitive searches are available in TPU if you want them via SETtB > FIND CASE NOEXACT, so there is no need to munge your file first.    C Since FIND CASE NOEXACT is already the default, I was already usingr> that, and it still doesn't help. The problem is that while edt converts  
 in --> bin
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 IN --> bin   EVE, OTOH, converts   
 in --> bin
 In --> Bin
 IN --> BIN  ? which is why I said that "EVE substitutes differently than EDT,r( preserving case in the original string".  C That is why I needed to convert all characters to lower case first.nC And it is easy to do, so it's no big deal. I don't know how to make C EVE do it like EDT does and I don't know how to make EDT do it like D EVE does. Actually, I could make EDT do it by using SET SEARCH EXACTE and three separate substitute commands, but that would not be a validt speed test.t     >  > <example snipped>  > 3 > > I tried variations and sometimes it hung on vmslJ > > 6.1. In some cases EVE was twice as fast as EDT. In this case EVE tookF > > longer than EDT and made mistakes. And "orders of magnitude" meansC > > powers of 10, and the best EVE did in my various tests (not all A > > presented here) was a factor of 2 over EDT. Hardly "orders ofaJ > > magnitude". And in some cases I get "Feature requires a terminal" once& > > or twice and in others not at all. > F > Initialization files are documented to be slower than command files,F > which could be one reason TPU isn't as fast in your examples as someI > people expected it to be.  Also, your section file could have all sorts F > of overhead that is unnecessary for this purpose and is probably theF > source of the "feature needs a terminal" messages, so you'd probablyH > want to use the standard issue section file if it hasn't been replaced > on your system.     C Well, I would expect some overhead in reading the command, but once B the actual work is being done I don't see why it should be slower.F Also, the poster claimed "orders of magnitude" which means at the veryB least in the most conservative possible interpretation a factor of/ 100. I really doubt we'll get 100X out of this.e  = Also, I *was* using the default section file, "TPU$SECTION" = : "EVE$SECTION", so there is no customized-section overhead.  E I haven't tracked down what causes "Feature requires a terminal", buttF with other variations of the .EVE init file it doesn't show up and the substitutions are carried out.  5 Is there any way to "set verify" in an EVE init file?t    H > I believe the reason it "hangs" after the first replace is that you doI > not go back to the top of the buffer, so it is probably waiting for youtE > to ok a replace backwards even though you're in /NODISPLAY mode.  Is    ; Why do I explicitly need to go back to the top? Most of theiF substitutions were done correctly which meant that EVE already went to the top on its own.   % I just found that it hangs when I do r  ( $ EDIT/TPU HUH.LIS /INIT=5.EVE/NODISPLAY   but not when I do   5 $ @F:TIME EDIT/TPU HUH.LIS /INIT=5.EVE/NODISPLAY  !!!o  8 For some reason, it's happier running from a .com file.   F I am still puzzled why the first few occurences of 'in' and 'the' wereC not substituted for. I'll check that out tomorrow at work if I haveE time for it.    D > guess I'd call that a bug.  When the hang happened to me I enteredG > CTRL-C and the replacement continued!  Another bug?  The source is in G > SYS$EXAMPLES:*.TPU so I guess we could track it down if we wanted to.u    $ OK. I'll try the ^C trick tomorrow.    [...]    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanr% afeldman notthis gfigroup notthis comr   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Aug 2002 19:53:49 -0700t. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replacei= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0208081853.224c802f@posting.google.com>   f "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My.Full.Name@intel.com> wrote in message news:<3D52DBFD.50D22515@intel.com>... > "Craig A. Berry" wrote:  > ? > > "Alan E. Feldman" <SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM> wrote in messagev > >cL > > > Example where EDT is faster and EVE is slower and incorrect! (vms 6.1)I > > > (Note: I lowercased all characters in a Pascal listing file becauseh   [...]   B >     It wasn't clear (to me, anyway) how EVE managed to miss some> > of the replacements in Alan's examples.  Nevertheless, it is > controllable.(    F Could you be a little more vague? Just *what* is controllable and how?     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman % afeldman atski gfigroup skidotski com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 00:07:58 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went SmoothlygA Message-ID: <yJD49.164192$nm.6061343@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>r  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0208080943.2f6372e9@posting.google.com...=A > Despite all the FUD spread by competitors, the HP-Compaq merger3" > appears to have gone quite well,  I Gee, has it really?  How quickly time flies:  it seems like only 3 monthst. ago that even its legality was still in doubt.  & Oh, wait:  it *was* only 3 months ago.  J I wonder how people thought the Compaq/DEC merger was going 3 months afterK it occurred.  Pfeiffer certainly seemed to be forging ahead great guns back K then.  But 3 or 4 months later the PC business started looking bad (kind of J like HP's does right about now, and even by the same standard:  comparison5 with Dell), and 3 months after that Pfeiffer was out.   %  as evidenced by this news piece fromi > Yahoo:  K As the article concluded, "at least a year or two will likely elapse before I the market pats HP executives on the back for a corporate integration joboK well done."  That indeed will be about the right time frame for starting tohI form such conclusions, if it still seems all that well done a year or twoi down the road.   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:27:01 -0400& From: "Bob  Lail" <robert.lail@hp.com>G Subject: Re: HPQ Moving Much Of Its Technical/Customer Support Offshore0* Message-ID: <aj0u1k$j45$1@web1.cup.hp.com>      Barry  J    I don't think you have much to worry about. "The Answer Group" provides7 PC Helpdesk support for Compaq PCs not OpenVMS support.k      \Bob Lail   Solution Architect  Network & Service Provider Sales Hewlett-Packard Companyr$ 110 Spit Brook Road, Nahsua NH 030620 EMail: SRobert.lail@hp.com   Phone: 603.884.71613 (S added for Spammers, remove before sending email)       6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> wrote in message news:3D52D1CF.30409@MMaz.com.... > Jerry Leslie wrote:  > K > >   In recent years, the call center industry has been moving jobs abroadrG > >   because of lower staffing costs. Countries such as India, Canada,CK > >   Ireland and the Philippines, where English is a dominant language, as1E > >   well as some Latin American locations such as Costa Rica, where J > >   English is a prominent second language, have been siphoning off some > >   of the work..."h > >tC > 'prominent second language!'  I have been routed to many of these-G > off-shore folks and though they may have a complete grasp of English,nJ > every experience I have had has been bad because either their accent wasF > so strong I could not understand them or as with my daily challengesB > with my UK office, we are a people divided by a common language;> >  Rephrased, what they meant and said does not carry the sameD > understanding as how we Americans use the English language and the > reverse of that holds true.  >eD > So, if we are supposed to communicate with these off-shore supportJ > groups in English, yet we cannot understand each other, what good is it?J >  None!  All of my experiences have been related with PC's and peripheralD > hardware; commodity products that most people know about.  Can you0 > visualize obtaining VMS support this way?  HA! >I > Barry  >e > -- >nA > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOa >yC > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028e >e >e >r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:33:29 -0400; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> , Subject: List of ASC/ASCQ codes for TL891/2?K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BE9CD@rlghncst964.usps.gov>c   Anybody got one?    They're really Quantum DLT7000s  Compaq-branded as TZ89s inside.    Thanks in advance. ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800 919.874.3043   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:57:11 -0500u+ From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu>d  Subject: Optical Storage Systems0 Message-ID: <3D53F467.13FA56C6@ceris.purdue.edu>   Group,  E Is anyone using U.S. Design's JB300mx, JB600mx, JB700mx, JB20x, JB40x ? or QT9100 optical storage systems? If so, I'd like to hear your0# opinion of the product and service.i   Thanks,m Chuck Aaron    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:26:28 +01001 From: "Rainer Giese" <remove.giese@volkswerft.de>  Subject: RSH to captive accounts6 Message-ID: <aivqr9$179522$4@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>  E My intention was, that users can do something privileged via RSH to aeE captive account, where the intended things are done in LOGIN.COM. But^J nevertheless TCPIP$RSH_RUN.COM is executed after LOGIN.COM, so users would- be able to push any commands to that account.   J Although I found an acceptable way to suppress such commands by redefiningL SYS$NET (TCPIP$RSH_RUN.COM takes the command from this logical), I think, itH is an inconsistency, that something is executed outside LOGIN.COM for in captive account, isn't it ?m   -- Regards, Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:37:13 -0400  From: MikeR <mike@rechtman.com> # Subject: Re: RSH to captive accounts6 Message-ID: <aj0jv7$17hgmh$1@ID-103225.news.dfncis.de>  7 On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 03:26:28 -0400, Rainer Giese wrote:>  G > My intention was, that users can do something privileged via RSH to al:                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Do what? More details, please.D As a first attempt, can you use DECnet objects? Can you use an imageA that IMPERSONATES a priv'ed user (and then e.g. spawns off a DCL o	 command.)    Mike  G > captive account, where the intended things are done in LOGIN.COM. ButiF > nevertheless TCPIP$RSH_RUN.COM is executed after LOGIN.COM, so users5 > would be able to push any commands to that account.  > A > Although I found an acceptable way to suppress such commands byiC > redefining SYS$NET (TCPIP$RSH_RUN.COM takes the command from thisPG > logical), I think, it is an inconsistency, that something is executedr6 > outside LOGIN.COM for in captive account, isn't it ? >  > --
 > Regards, > Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:38:06 -0400& From: "Bob  Lail" <robert.lail@hp.com>; Subject: Re: Samsung says alpha lives ... Gartner loses ...w* Message-ID: <aj0unb$j8f$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  J Not the mention that Microway says Samsung denies they are reviving Alpha.
 To bad !!!  ,     http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4871  	 \Bob Lail- -- Solution Architect  Network & Service Provider Sales Hewlett-Packard Companyo$ 110 Spit Brook Road, Nashua NH 020620 EMail: SRobert.Lail@hp.com   Phone: 603.884.71613  (S added for Spammers remove before sending email)w    5 "Nick Maclaren" <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in messageh* news:aiu6mb$nid$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk... > 5 > In article <3d528f27$0$1431$8e9e3842@news.atx.net>,-' > "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com> writes:  > |>D > |>   Samsung has had lots of great "plans" and never did anything. >E< > That is very true, but it is very unclear whether that wasB > Samsung's fault (or even under Samsung's control).  For example,A > I believe that Samsung put most of the money into API, but that  > Compaq had control.t >b@ > Similarly, there was a lot of speculation about whether Compaq? > would sell Alpha to Samsung (in toto), and there were several = > occasions over several years when it seemed very plausible.2* > But we don't know why it never happened. >w< > Speaking to a colleague, we can only think that this is an= > attempt by Samsung to push Alpha into the embedded (perhapse< > games) market.  It just doesn't look possible that Samsung) > could resuscitate it for anything else.  >l= > But even that is speculative - we don't yet KNOW the reporte
 > is correct.u >m >t
 > Regards, > Nick Maclaren,, > University of Cambridge Computing Service,@ > New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. > Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk1 > Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679d   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 00:50:41 GMTn0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe> Message-ID: <BlE49.25073$sp1.76473@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >n > Can you guess what happens?d  $ Yep.  While we're on the subject....  / Examples of two of my favourite pipe sequences:e   $!-------------------- $! rxcount.com $ interface = P1$ $   pipe/nological_names/nosymbols -H       tcpip show interface 'interface' | search sys$pipe 'interface' | -       (read sys$pipe line ; - ?       _count==f$element(3," ",f$edit(line,"COMPRESS,TRIM")) ; -y:        define/job/nolog tcpip$rxcount_'interface' &_count)J $   rxcount = f$integer(f$trnlnm("tcpip$rxcount_''interface'", "lnm$job")) $ show sym rxcount $!---------------------    $!---------------------e& $! search with success or error status $ file = P1o
 $ target = P2nD $ pipe search/nowarn 'file' 'target' | read sys$pipe tmp 2> nl: >nl: $ show sym $status $!---------------------p   --= -------------------------------------------------------------t OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAe= -------------------------------------------------------------     7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in message / news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de...pJ > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > goodG > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by them > result when I typed: >t( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >  > Can you guess what happens?s >f > Jimd >e >a >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 01:20:43 GMTs0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe> Message-ID: <LNE49.25286$sp1.77110@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >d > Can you guess what happens?n  $ Yep.  While we're on the subject....  / Examples of two of my favourite pipe sequences:-   $!-------------------- $! rxcount.com $ interface = P1$ $   pipe/nological_names/nosymbols -H       tcpip show interface 'interface' | search sys$pipe 'interface' | -       (read sys$pipe line ; -3?       _count==f$element(3," ",f$edit(line,"COMPRESS,TRIM")) ; -e:        define/job/nolog tcpip$rxcount_'interface' &_count)J $   rxcount = f$integer(f$trnlnm("tcpip$rxcount_''interface'", "lnm$job")) $ show sym rxcount $!---------------------    $!---------------------e& $! search with success or error status $ file = P1S
 $ target = P2BD $ pipe search/nowarn 'file' 'target' | read sys$pipe tmp 2> nl: >nl: $ show sym $status $!---------------------s   --= -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company: Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAs= -------------------------------------------------------------n    7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in messagey/ news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de...sJ > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > goodG > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by theN > result when I typed: >c( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >V > Can you guess what happens?E >  > Jimi >c >  >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 01:50:45 GMTu0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe> Message-ID: <VdF49.25544$sp1.77393@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >  > Can you guess what happens?a  $ Yep.  While we're on the subject....  / Examples of two of my favourite pipe sequences:h   $!-------------------- $! rxcount.com $ interface = P1$ $   pipe/nological_names/nosymbols -H       tcpip show interface 'interface' | search sys$pipe 'interface' | -       (read sys$pipe line ; -c?       _count==f$element(3," ",f$edit(line,"COMPRESS,TRIM")) ; -l:        define/job/nolog tcpip$rxcount_'interface' &_count)J $   rxcount = f$integer(f$trnlnm("tcpip$rxcount_''interface'", "lnm$job")) $ show sym rxcount $!---------------------o   $!---------------------E& $! search with success or error status $ file = P1e
 $ target = P2mD $ pipe search/nowarn 'file' 'target' | read sys$pipe tmp 2> nl: >nl: $ show sym $status $!---------------------m   --= -------------------------------------------------------------a OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyo Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------     7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in messagee/ news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de...FJ > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > goodG > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by the  > result when I typed: >'( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >e > Can you guess what happens?e >o > Jimc >d >v >l   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 02:20:47 GMTb0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe> Message-ID: <3GF49.25742$sp1.77675@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >s > Can you guess what happens?m  $ Yep.  While we're on the subject....  / Examples of two of my favourite pipe sequences:h   $!-------------------- $! rxcount.com $ interface = P1$ $   pipe/nological_names/nosymbols -H       tcpip show interface 'interface' | search sys$pipe 'interface' | -       (read sys$pipe line ; - ?       _count==f$element(3," ",f$edit(line,"COMPRESS,TRIM")) ; -r:        define/job/nolog tcpip$rxcount_'interface' &_count)J $   rxcount = f$integer(f$trnlnm("tcpip$rxcount_''interface'", "lnm$job")) $ show sym rxcount $!---------------------e   $!--------------------- & $! search with success or error status $ file = P1i
 $ target = P2 D $ pipe search/nowarn 'file' 'target' | read sys$pipe tmp 2> nl: >nl: $ show sym $status $!---------------------i   --= -------------------------------------------------------------g OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyt Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAi= -------------------------------------------------------------o    7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in messageo/ news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de... J > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > goodG > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by thed > result when I typed: >e( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >. > Can you guess what happens?t >r > Jimh >E >i >f   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 02:50:58 GMTe0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe> Message-ID: <m6G49.25922$sp1.77798@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >  > Can you guess what happens?n  $ Yep.  While we're on the subject....  / Examples of two of my favourite pipe sequences:a   $!-------------------- $! rxcount.com $ interface = P1$ $   pipe/nological_names/nosymbols -H       tcpip show interface 'interface' | search sys$pipe 'interface' | -       (read sys$pipe line ; -H?       _count==f$element(3," ",f$edit(line,"COMPRESS,TRIM")) ; -D:        define/job/nolog tcpip$rxcount_'interface' &_count)J $   rxcount = f$integer(f$trnlnm("tcpip$rxcount_''interface'", "lnm$job")) $ show sym rxcount $!---------------------e   $!--------------------- & $! search with success or error status $ file = P1l
 $ target = P2aD $ pipe search/nowarn 'file' 'target' | read sys$pipe tmp 2> nl: >nl: $ show sym $status $!---------------------'   --= -------------------------------------------------------------a OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyl Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAn= --------------------------------------------------------------    7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in messageb/ news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de...rJ > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > goodG > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by thes > result when I typed: >e( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >U > Can you guess what happens?- >p > Jime >  >p >r   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 03:22:05 GMT:0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe> Message-ID: <xzG49.26064$sp1.77938@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >  > Can you guess what happens?y  $ Yep.  While we're on the subject....  / Examples of two of my favourite pipe sequences:s   $!-------------------- $! rxcount.com $ interface = P1$ $   pipe/nological_names/nosymbols -H       tcpip show interface 'interface' | search sys$pipe 'interface' | -       (read sys$pipe line ; -i?       _count==f$element(3," ",f$edit(line,"COMPRESS,TRIM")) ; -i:        define/job/nolog tcpip$rxcount_'interface' &_count)J $   rxcount = f$integer(f$trnlnm("tcpip$rxcount_''interface'", "lnm$job")) $ show sym rxcount $!---------------------o   $!---------------------s& $! search with success or error status $ file = P1e
 $ target = P2lD $ pipe search/nowarn 'file' 'target' | read sys$pipe tmp 2> nl: >nl: $ show sym $status $!---------------------    --= -------------------------------------------------------------r OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyu Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAu= -------------------------------------------------------------P    7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in messaget/ news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de...rJ > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > goodG > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by the  > result when I typed: >h( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >0 > Can you guess what happens?e >o > Jim  >  >  >r   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 03:52:39 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe> Message-ID: <b0H49.26171$sp1.77768@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >o > Can you guess what happens?   $ Yep.  While we're on the subject....  / Examples of two of my favourite pipe sequences:    $!-------------------- $! rxcount.com $ interface = P1$ $   pipe/nological_names/nosymbols -H       tcpip show interface 'interface' | search sys$pipe 'interface' | -       (read sys$pipe line ; -h?       _count==f$element(3," ",f$edit(line,"COMPRESS,TRIM")) ; -h:        define/job/nolog tcpip$rxcount_'interface' &_count)J $   rxcount = f$integer(f$trnlnm("tcpip$rxcount_''interface'", "lnm$job")) $ show sym rxcount $!---------------------m   $!---------------------g& $! search with success or error status $ file = P1o
 $ target = P2pD $ pipe search/nowarn 'file' 'target' | read sys$pipe tmp 2> nl: >nl: $ show sym $status $!---------------------o   --= -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyy Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAn= -------------------------------------------------------------r    7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in message / news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de...2J > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > goodG > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by thei > result when I typed: > ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >B > Can you guess what happens?0 >E > Jimh >t >. >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 04:23:27 GMTa0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe> Message-ID: <3tH49.26270$sp1.77988@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >- > Can you guess what happens?,  $ Yep.  While we're on the subject....  / Examples of two of my favourite pipe sequences:l   $!-------------------- $! rxcount.com $ interface = P1$ $   pipe/nological_names/nosymbols -H       tcpip show interface 'interface' | search sys$pipe 'interface' | -       (read sys$pipe line ; -t?       _count==f$element(3," ",f$edit(line,"COMPRESS,TRIM")) ; -h:        define/job/nolog tcpip$rxcount_'interface' &_count)J $   rxcount = f$integer(f$trnlnm("tcpip$rxcount_''interface'", "lnm$job")) $ show sym rxcount $!---------------------D   $!---------------------4& $! search with success or error status $ file = P1d
 $ target = P2vD $ pipe search/nowarn 'file' 'target' | read sys$pipe tmp 2> nl: >nl: $ show sym $status $!---------------------H   --= -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companys Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAi= -------------------------------------------------------------c    7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in messageu/ news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de...nJ > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > goodG > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by the: > result when I typed: >s( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >. > Can you guess what happens?0 >3 > Jim- >0 >a >r   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 04:54:18 GMTg0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe> Message-ID: <_VH49.26375$sp1.77996@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >  > Can you guess what happens?w  $ Yep.  While we're on the subject....  / Examples of two of my favourite pipe sequences:    $!-------------------- $! rxcount.com $ interface = P1$ $   pipe/nological_names/nosymbols -H       tcpip show interface 'interface' | search sys$pipe 'interface' | -       (read sys$pipe line ; -c?       _count==f$element(3," ",f$edit(line,"COMPRESS,TRIM")) ; - :        define/job/nolog tcpip$rxcount_'interface' &_count)J $   rxcount = f$integer(f$trnlnm("tcpip$rxcount_''interface'", "lnm$job")) $ show sym rxcount $!---------------------G   $!----------------------& $! search with success or error status $ file = P1r
 $ target = P2 D $ pipe search/nowarn 'file' 'target' | read sys$pipe tmp 2> nl: >nl: $ show sym $status $!---------------------c   --= -------------------------------------------------------------a OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAn= -------------------------------------------------------------o    7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in messageL/ news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de...pJ > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > goodG > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by thee > result when I typed: >n( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >m > Can you guess what happens?g >s > Jimt >f >e >"   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 05:24:55 GMTn0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe> Message-ID: <HmI49.26537$sp1.78407@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >, > Can you guess what happens?   $ Yep.  While we're on the subject....  / Examples of two of my favourite pipe sequences:c   $!-------------------- $! rxcount.com $ interface = P1$ $   pipe/nological_names/nosymbols -H       tcpip show interface 'interface' | search sys$pipe 'interface' | -       (read sys$pipe line ; -a?       _count==f$element(3," ",f$edit(line,"COMPRESS,TRIM")) ; -o:        define/job/nolog tcpip$rxcount_'interface' &_count)J $   rxcount = f$integer(f$trnlnm("tcpip$rxcount_''interface'", "lnm$job")) $ show sym rxcount $!---------------------M   $!---------------------a& $! search with success or error status $ file = P1o
 $ target = P2rD $ pipe search/nowarn 'file' 'target' | read sys$pipe tmp 2> nl: >nl: $ show sym $status $!----------------------   --= -------------------------------------------------------------t OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companys Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA1= -------------------------------------------------------------l    7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in messageh/ news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de...fJ > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > goodG > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by the' > result when I typed: >e( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >  > Can you guess what happens?  >$ > Jimn >C >R >,   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:18:18 +0100  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>c$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe) Message-ID: <3D5388DA.D79E3683@Omond.net>-   Matt Muggeridge wrote:  N > Ouch, I don't know what caused all the duplicate messages.  I think I killed	 > it now!a  H Looking at the headers of your postings, I think we can see the culprit:  8 X-Newsreader:   Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000= X-MimeOLE:      Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000e   Enough said :-)o  	 Roy Omonda Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 05:48:38 GMT-0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe> Message-ID: <WII49.26648$sp1.78446@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  L Ouch, I don't know what caused all the duplicate messages.  I think I killed it now!m   Matt.    --= -------------------------------------------------------------s OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA-= -------------------------------------------------------------     ; "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in messagea8 news:51D49.23999$sp1.76095@news-server.bigpond.net.au...* > > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com > >l > > Can you guess what happens?s >h& > Yep.  While we're on the subject.... >b1 > Examples of two of my favourite pipe sequences:q >c > $!-------------------- > $! rxcount.com > $ interface = P1& > $   pipe/nological_names/nosymbols -J >       tcpip show interface 'interface' | search sys$pipe 'interface' | - >       (read sys$pipe line ; - A >       _count==f$element(3," ",f$edit(line,"COMPRESS,TRIM")) ; - < >        define/job/nolog tcpip$rxcount_'interface' &_count)L > $   rxcount = f$integer(f$trnlnm("tcpip$rxcount_''interface'", "lnm$job")) > $ show sym rxcount > $!---------------------- >- > $!---------------------c( > $! search with success or error status
 > $ file = P1e > $ target = P2iF > $ pipe search/nowarn 'file' 'target' | read sys$pipe tmp 2> nl: >nl: > $ show sym $status > $!---------------------- >- > --? > -------------------------------------------------------------i > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > Enterprise Computing Group > Hewlett-Packard Company- > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA-? > -------------------------------------------------------------o >i >e9 > "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in message 1 > news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de...nL > > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > > goodI > > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by thel > > result when I typed: > >h* > > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com > >- > > Can you guess what happens?, > >u > > Jim: > >  > >  > >  >t >u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:15:30 +0000e From: Jiri Hudak <hudak@osu.cz>n Subject: tcpware for vax etc. % Message-ID: <3D53A452.7070701@osu.cz>   G Hi,where is download tcpware for vax? Work cmuip066 for Vax OpenVMS7.2? : Where is download rom (ka630,ka655,ka785 for ts10 emu vax?
 Thank you. Georg!   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 08:45:19 -0700 ( From: bhalpern@umcaz.edu (BRITT HALPERN) Subject: unsubscrief= Message-ID: <e9aa9fae.0208090745.2296aca6@posting.google.com>n  D Unfortunately due to the large volume of SPAM that I am getting that9 can be traced back to googles groups, I must unsubscribe.r  6 What is the procedure for unsubscribing to this group?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 10:30:57 -0700a& From: davidk@awirnd.com (David Knight) Subject: VAX Routing< Message-ID: <c27bd51.0208090930.640c67a6@posting.google.com>  D I have a VAX on a network with 2 Cisco routers. The addresses of theD routers are 192.168.31.1 and 192.168.31.4. Both addresses are set upB as default gateways in UCX on the VAX. The destination host can beF reached via either router (2 hops through 192.168.31.4, 4 hops throughE 192.168.31.1). For whatever reasons, the VAX uses 192.168.31.4 as theg@ default route. When that router is down, I can't seem to get the. packets to route through 192.168.31.1 instead.  1 The dynamic routing table in UCX looks like this:  AH   127.0.0.1     127.0.0.1 AN   0.0.0.0       192.168.31.4e AN   0.0.0.0       192.168.31.1l AN   192.168.31.0  192.168.31.2s  D Can I really have 2 default gateways like this? What is an alternate( (and perhaps better) way to set this up?   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:15:12 +0200 (CEST)9 From: Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker <levitte@openssl.org>o+ Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OpenSSL 0.9.6g releasedl: Message-ID: <20020809.141512.76578258.levitte@openssl.org>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----    !   OpenSSL version 0.9.6g released N   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  /   OpenSSL - The Open Source toolkit for SSL/TLSi   http://www.openssl.org/r  H   The OpenSSL project team is pleased to announce the release of versionJ   0.9.6g of our open source toolkit for SSL/TLS.  This new OpenSSL version   is a bugfix release.  #   The most significant changes are:n  )       o Important building fixes on Unix.-,       o Fix crash in CSwift engine. [engine]  H   We consider OpenSSL 0.9.6g to be the best version of OpenSSL availableC   and we strongly recommend that users of older versions upgrade astF   soon as possible.  OpenSSL 0.9.6g is available for download via HTTPG   and FTP from the following master locations (you can find the variousu?   FTP mirrors under http://www.openssl.org/source/mirror.html):-  $     o http://www.openssl.org/source/#     o ftp://ftp.openssl.org/source/n  ?   [1] OpenSSL comes in the form of two distributions this time.-L   The reasons for this is that we want to deploy the external crypto device=  J   support but don't want to have it part of the "normal" distribution justI   yet.  The distribution containing the external crypto device support is<G   popularly called "engine", and is considered experimental.  It's been J   fairly well tested on Unix and flavors thereof.  If run on a system withL   no external crypto device, it will work just like the "normal" distributi= on.   "   The distribution file names are:  &       o openssl-0.9.6g.tar.gz [normal]6         MD5 checksum: 515ed54165a55df83f4eb4e4e9078d3f-       o openssl-engine-0.9.6g.tar.gz [engine]b6         MD5 checksum: 87cb788c99e40b6e67268ea35d1d250c  =   The checksums were calculated using the following commands:   '     openssl md5 < openssl-0.9.6g.tar.gz .     openssl md5 < openssl-engine-0.9.6g.tar.gz     Yours,!   The OpenSSL Project Team... =20   >     Mark J. Cox             Ben Laurie          Andy Polyakoff<     Ralf S. Engelschall     Richard Levitte     Geoff Thorpe)     Dr. Stephen Henson      Bodo M=F6llerx*     Lutz J=E4nicke            Ulf M=F6ller   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----e Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconva  @ iQEVAwUBPVOyDvTy7ZjgbSyxAQG5BQf+P8YKanARx7zbUrvh31sJidJuyNqrXP9w@ 1MVP4Fjygup3Kp2EfLG+niiGD4ZcwlZo97QYLvSdO1FkzCeBUeRmctGg3sAEpZbU@ Gvvk90YHm3PTnd+a1bDJPu8So84UuN9oClwca6weml7Lsapwwe1uMZ8EbuN5bR+R@ HpMxhW/9uDdwHZNgwbklCZg/8bdvSCdQ9D0DYk6UDSkI5sqdEj1m0YKy9XQJgi2S@ ZwJ8VHlWs7r421L0M8Gq7MDQu2y5Swp9v0w6nvCkSP5M99vTBYZbW5yUQdzGwBos< 8CJw8zq5oPvSdTjLvH2KnJK0c92ve/9sQumO2xjnZ+pgbumU1sOBVg=3D=3D =3DnLL0- -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.436 ************************