1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 10 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 437       Contents: Re: Advanced Server issues...  Re: Advanced Server issues... C Re: Arithmetic Data Corruption - Compaq TCP/IP Services 5.3 and NFS " Re: Automating EDIT/FDL ->OPTIMIZE" Re: Automating EDIT/FDL ->OPTIMIZE" Re: Automating EDIT/FDL ->OPTIMIZE# Re: BASIC LIB$routine help required + Re: Battery replacement on Raid Array 7000? + RE: Battery replacement on Raid Array 7000? + RE: Battery replacement on Raid Array 7000? + Re: Battery replacement on Raid Array 7000?  RE: Compression on DLT backup  Re: Compression on DLT backup   Concatinating files under VM/CMS$ Re: Concatinating files under VM/CMS Re: Counting records in a file Re: Counting records in a file% Re: Cygwin/xfree86 and VMS/DecWindows ! Deciphering VMS HEX message codes % Re: Deciphering VMS HEX message codes % Re: Deciphering VMS HEX message codes % Re: Deciphering VMS HEX message codes  Re: DecServer 700 help.  Decserver 900TM  Re: dectalk fuse type? Re: Edsger Dijkstra is dead  Re: Edsger Dijkstra is dead  Re: Edsger Dijkstra is dead  Re: Edsger Dijkstra is dead 7 RE: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidates 7 RE: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidates 7 RE: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidates  FTP> get *.* does not work$ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace+ Re: Hoff, what is the status of your book ? + Re: Hoff, what is the status of your book ? + Re: Hoff, what is the status of your book ? + Re: Hoff, what is the status of your book ?  How to use jar under OpenVMS  Re: How to use jar under OpenVMS  RE: How to use jar under OpenVMS  Re: How to use jar under OpenVMS" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" RE: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly Opdracht gezocht - job wanted 0 Re: orphaned processes on Telnet and memory leak OT (well, *very* OT...) ; OT - Stock prices (was: RE: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly) ? Re: OT - Stock prices (was: RE: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly) ? Re: OT - Stock prices (was: RE: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly) . Re: OT Mac OS X woes, but advice needed please0 Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product license0 Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product license0 Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product license0 Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product license Re: RSH to captive account# Re: Some Alpha news on The Inquirer  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe 0 TCPIP 4.2 fails on IO$_SENSEMODE with TN device? Re: tcpware for vax etc. RE: VAX Routing % VAXstation 3100/76, 4000/VLC Desired? ) Re: VAXstation 3100/76, 4000/VLC Desired? : Re: Wanted: Employment - have cobol vax/vms and ingres too/ Where to get ancient Software distribution CD's 3 RE: Where to get ancient Software distribution CD's   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:07:28 -0400 3 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com_x> & Subject: Re: Advanced Server issues...3 Message-ID: <3D5323E0.3070903@firstdbasource.com_x>   K After pulling my hair out... I followed the instructions from this article:     >http://groups.google.com/groups?q=openvms+advanced+server+%22-e-%22&start=40&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3BBCD2EC.4D55F201%40kittles.com&rnum=45   D on how to remove/re-add a server to the domain.. with these results:    < The OpenVMS Registry server is already started on this node.  , Reading current configuration parameters ...  >    Your Advanced Server for OpenVMS is presently configured to    run as follows:  ,     1.  Run the license server:          YES+     2.  Enable Timesource service:       NO ,     3.  Enable Alerter service:          YES6     3a. Alert user names:                Administrator,     4.  Enable Netlogon service:         YES,     5.  Advanced Server domain:          MMM0     6.  Advanced Server role:            PRIMARY.     7.  Advanced Server computer name:   FLACSD     8.  Server announce comment:    Advanced Server V7.3 for OpenVMS6     9.  Advanced Server language:        English (USA)+     10. Enable NT style printing:        NO : Enter item number, or RETURN to use these values [DONE]: 6  C    The Advanced Server role is the part the server will play in its 
    domain.  A    A primary domain controller maintains the domain's master user *    accounts database and validates logins.  E    A backup domain controller receives copies of the master database, 4    validates logins, and can be promoted to primary.  A    A member server does not receive copies of the master database C    or validate logins.  It relies on domain controllers to validate     user credentials.  A Enter the role of this server (P)rimary/(B)ackup/(M)ember [P]:  b   =    Before joining a domain, the computer must be added to the 0    domain.  This can be done in one of two ways:  @        - the administrator of the domain uses the administrative5          tools to add this computer to the domain, or   ?        - the computer is added automatically by this procedure; >          you must supply an administrator account and password  : Are you going to supply account/password information [Y]/N  D Enter the name of the primary domain controller for domain MMM: MMM1< Enter the name of the administrator account: [Administrator]0 Enter the account password in the required case: Re-enter to verify password:  : Process PWRK$NBDAEMON created with identification 00000766; Process PWRK$KNBDAEMON created with identification 00000768 > Confirming domain name with MMM1                 <<<<<<<<<<<<<> Successfully retrieved domain name from MMM1 ... <<<<<<<<<<<<<  >    Your Advanced Server for OpenVMS is presently configured to    run as follows:  ,     1.  Run the license server:          YES+     2.  Enable Timesource service:       NO ,     3.  Enable Alerter service:          YES6     3a. Alert user names:                Administrator,     4.  Enable Netlogon service:         YES,     5.  Advanced Server domain:          MMM/     6.  Advanced Server role:            BACKUP .     7.  Advanced Server computer name:   FLACSD     8.  Server announce comment:    Advanced Server V7.3 for OpenVMS6     9.  Advanced Server language:        English (USA)+     10. Enable NT style printing:        NO 8 Enter item number, or RETURN to use these values [DONE]:  , Saving parameters to the OpenVMS Registry... Creating SAM datafiles... < Creating sharefile PWRK$LMROOT:[LANMAN.DATAFILES]SHAREDB ... New sharefile has been created.  ADMIN$ added
 IPC$ added PWUTIL added PWLICENSE added  PWLIC added   < Setting character set information in databases as needed ...  9     ... Setting share database character set information. 7     ... Setting ACL database character set information.  Checking system resources...  F The current system configuration for FLACS will support 20 PC clients.0 The Advanced Server is configured to use TCP/IP.  @      To automatically start the Advanced Server V7.3 for OpenVMS@      at system startup, you should add the following line to the(      SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM file.  $          $ @SYS$STARTUP:PWRK$STARTUP  J      Note: Add this line below the lines that start all network transports      (such as DECnet).  F Do you want to start the Advanced Server V7.3 on node FLACS now [YES]:) The file server will use NetBEUI, TCP/IP. , The license server will use NetBEUI, TCP/IP.% Process PWRK$NBDAEMON already created & Process PWRK$KNBDAEMON already created; Process PWRK$LICENSE_R created with identification 0000076D ; Process PWRK$LICENSE_S created with identification 0000076F = Checking to see if OpenVMS Registry Services are available... < The OpenVMS Registry server is already started on this node.; The Advanced Server is configured to support 20 PC clients. 8 Process PWRK$MASTER created with identification 00000772F The master process will now start all other Advanced Server processes. $ admin  MMM\\FLACS> logon administrator 	 Password: F %PWRK-E-LOGONERR, error logging user "ADMINISTRATOR" onto domain "MMM"/ -PWRK-E-INVUSRPSW, invalid username or password   ! MMM\\FLACS> logon "Administrator" 	 Password: F %PWRK-E-LOGONERR, error logging user "Administrator" onto domain "MMM"/ -PWRK-E-INVUSRPSW, invalid username or password    MMM\\FLACS> show computersA %PWRK-E-DCNOTFND, cannot find Primary Domain Controller for "MMM" < -PWRK-W-NODOMOPRPOS, domain-wide operations are not possible   Computers in domain "MMM":  > Computer              Type                         Description2 --------------------  ---------------------------  ----------------------------- K [BD] FLACS            OpenVMS (NT 4.0) Backup      Advanced Server V7.3 for ;                                                     OpenVMS       Total of 1 computer  + MMM\\FLACS> set computer flacs/account_sync E %PWRK-E-ERRACCCOM, account synchronization of computer "FLACS" failed A -PWRK-E-DCNOTFND, cannot find Primary Domain Controller for "MMM"   
 What next?       Michael Austin wrote:  > Michael Austin wrote:  > D >> I have read the docs until I am cross-eyed and cannot see why my G >> Advanced Server 7.3 cannot find the PDC (primary domain controller)  J >> which is a WNT 4.0 server.  I had to disable the browser services on 3 B >> new NT5.0 servers so that I could at least browser the network  >> neighborhood. >> >> MMM\\FLACS> show admin  >> Administration information: >> >>( >> The domain being administered is: MMM5 >> The domain controller for the domain is: (unknown) + >> The domain controller type is: (unknown)  >>* >> The server being administered is: FLACS2 >> The server type is: Advanced Server for OpenVMS >>" >> The user name is: Administrator< >> The user is not logged on and has not been authenticated.8 >> The user's workstation is FLACS and is in domain MMM. >> >> MMM\\FLACS> show version  >># >> Advanced Server V7.3 for OpenVMS  >>. >> MMM\\FLACS> set computer flacs/account_syncH >> %PWRK-E-ERRACCCOM, account synchronization of computer "FLACS" failedD >> -PWRK-E-DCNOTFND, cannot find Primary Domain Controller for "MMM" >>J >> The only article I can find on this relates to possible netmask issues 2 >> and I have verified the netmask to be the same. >>- >> Any ideas on where I should begin to look?  >> >> Michael Austin  >  >  > I > I take it from the overwhelming response here that not too many people   > have this sort of problem. > C > Is there a LANMAN "ping" operation that can tell me if LANMAN is  J > actually working or not?  I cannot even configure this thing because it A > is set up as a BDC and it cannot find the PDC to update itself.  >  > Thanks >  > Michael Austin.  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:18:50 -0400 3 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com_x> & Subject: Re: Advanced Server issues...3 Message-ID: <3D53268A.9000404@firstdbasource.com_x>   " rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz wrote:
 > Michael, > E > First off I'm using Pathworks 6.1, not Advanced Server but I've had  > similar problems. + > I'm guessing this has worked in the past?     I Actually this is a new install of Advanced Server (no previous Pathworks   versions...)   OpenVMS 7.3  Advanced Server 7.3 ' hardware support only. (Clients system)      > G > Sometimes the SAM can get trashed, not sure how. There's a utility to , > check it,  SYS$SYSTEM:PWRK$SAMCHECK.EXE.> + > The "solution" can be to rebuild the SAM. 0 > You'll need to close down Advanced Server, runE > sys$update:pwrk$config.com and first change the Domain to something C > that doesn't exist. Go right through and let it build everything. B > Then go back in and redo the config but this time using the liveG > details for your domain.  You'll need a suitable Domain Admin account  > and password etc.  > H > This happened a lot in earlier versions of Pathworks but I've not seen' > it in Pathworks 6.1 (ADV Server 7.3).  >  > Rob.   <snip>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:55:01 +1000 * From: James Cameron <james.cameron@hp.com>L Subject: Re: Arithmetic Data Corruption - Compaq TCP/IP Services 5.3 and NFS9 Message-ID: <pan.2002.08.09.16.54.53.568013.13129@hp.com>    ECO is here.G http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/ecos.phtml?what=axpvms-tcpip_mup-v0503   > On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:25:27 +1000, John Gemignani, Jr. wrote:D > It wasn't until the problem was recently reported from a customer,C > with a reproducer Fortran program, that the problem came into the  > TCPIP group.  C That Fortran program was neat.  The analysis of the results and the I detection of the fault pattern by our Mr Gillings was a masterpiece.  The K data corruption frequency had a time period that was a multiple of QUANTUM.    -- James    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 20:47:24 +0000 . From: Graham Burley <100625.30@compuserve.com>+ Subject: Re: Automating EDIT/FDL ->OPTIMIZE . Message-ID: <3D542A5C.5C709B78@compuserve.com>  
 Joe wrote: [snip]G > Part of what I need is the bucket size optimized to drive cluser size  > during the convert.  [snip]  H Edit the ANAL/RMS/FDL output and change the CLUSTER_SIZE before you feed? this into EDIT/FDL/NOINTERACTIVE and you'll get the bucket size 
 optimized.     Graham   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:02:49 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> + Subject: Re: Automating EDIT/FDL ->OPTIMIZE ' Message-ID: <3D545D00.976877A3@fsi.net>    Graham Burley wrote: >  > Joe wrote: > [snip]I > > Part of what I need is the bucket size optimized to drive cluser size  > > during the convert.  > [snip] > J > Edit the ANAL/RMS/FDL output and change the CLUSTER_SIZE before you feedA > this into EDIT/FDL/NOINTERACTIVE and you'll get the bucket size  > optimized.  E I wonder what happens when you try this (cut from my earlier post and  edited):  # $ anal/rms &fsp/fdl/out='fname'.fdl = $ search 'fname'.fdl bucket/match=nor/out='fname'_nobktsz.fdl E $ edit/fdl/nointeractive/analysis='fname'_nobktsz.fdl 'fname"_opt.fdl   % I'll try that and see what happens...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:29:12 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> + Subject: Re: Automating EDIT/FDL ->OPTIMIZE ' Message-ID: <3D54632D.810842CA@fsi.net>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Graham Burley wrote: > >  > > Joe wrote:
 > > [snip]K > > > Part of what I need is the bucket size optimized to drive cluser size  > > > during the convert. 
 > > [snip] > > L > > Edit the ANAL/RMS/FDL output and change the CLUSTER_SIZE before you feedC > > this into EDIT/FDL/NOINTERACTIVE and you'll get the bucket size  > > optimized. > G > I wonder what happens when you try this (cut from my earlier post and 
 > edited): > % > $ anal/rms &fsp/fdl/out='fname'.fdl ? > $ search 'fname'.fdl bucket/match=nor/out='fname'_nobktsz.fdl G > $ edit/fdl/nointeractive/analysis='fname'_nobktsz.fdl 'fname"_opt.fdl  > ' > I'll try that and see what happens...   : O.k. Here's the results (and the corrected syntax, BTW)...   DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ @fdl_test& $ fsp := sys$common:[sysexe]sysuaf.dat $ fname := sysuaf " $ anal/rms &fsp/fdl/out=SYSUAF.fdl $ search SYSUAF.fdl bucket!         BUCKET_SIZE             3 !         BUCKET_SIZE             3 ; $ search SYSUAF.fdl bucket/match=nor/out=SYSUAF_nobktsz.fdl 6 $ edit/fdl/nointeractive/analysis=SYSUAF_nobktsz.fdl - 	SYSUAF.fdl/out=SYSUAF_opt.fdl $ search SYSUAF_opt.fdl bucket!         BUCKET_SIZE             4 !         BUCKET_SIZE             4 !         BUCKET_SIZE             4  $ exit  
 F.F.O. ...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:08:49 -0700 ( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>, Subject: Re: BASIC LIB$routine help required- Message-ID: <3D542150.F808AE9B@NelsonUSA.com>e   sasadmin wrote:d  c@ > >         external long function do_it( string, long BY VALUE) >SE > I was under the impression that one would use external sub. Doesn'tg< > the compiler generate different code for function vs. sub?  ; You're probably right, but it worked and I didn't bother toi go back and do it "right".  = > > Secondly, function routine addresses must be passed using  > > the LOC() function:  > >c; > >         call lib$show_timer(tiempo, 0%, LOC(do_it), 6%)e  D > This is interesting. I checked in some code I contributed to DECUS@ > that combines BASIC and callable TPU to interact with VMS helpF > libraries (HLM). There is one example of sending a call-back routineE > to the librarian, and it doesn't use the LOC() function; which code - > works despite omitting the LOC() reference.i  9 I couldn't get it to work until I used LOC(), and that iss8 what it is for.   I would welcome further clarification.  3 > Hasn't the BASIC team ported the LIB headers yet?s  ; Yes, it's in basic$starlet.tlb (lib$routines), but I didn't 3 want to change his example any more than necessary.o   Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 12:33:58 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)e4 Subject: Re: Battery replacement on Raid Array 7000?, Message-ID: <$21PZuG8r+7L@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  f In article <p4K49.136762$cU1.3825166@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:c > In article <a7w2+8xbP3xC@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:r@ >>I have a Raid Array 7000 which appears to have dead batteries. >>9 >>In looking at the battery assembly it seems that it's a 4 >>pretty pedestrian battery wrapped up in some fancy6 >>electronics and packaging. The cost to buy an entire: >>new assembly (HS35X-BB) seems to be many hundreds of $$. > . > J&L computers sells them for $59 via EBAY... >   I    I saw that. They say they are "in perfect working order" but don't sayoE what that means ( are these brand new batteries or old ones that just @ still work? Did they test them inside a Raid array or just put aB voltmeter on them? ). I didn't like the fine print where they saidE "ABSOLUTELY NO REFUNDS OF ANY KIND" ( their capitals ) - they'll only A offer to exchange a dead item for another computer item they havee? in stock. That's not going to do me much good if the battery isb= DOA and they don't have anything else I want. What seems morepA likely to me is that these batteries will work fine when receivede@ but have already expended much of their useful life and will die@ much sooner than one would expect. I suppose one could follow up= with the vendor and get these issues clarified but the bottom$@ line is I don't want to do business with an eBay vendor who says "ABSOLUTLEY NO REFUNDS".  B    I ended up tearing one of the battery packs apart and found theA actual battery unit is just a couple of standard sealed lead-acida< batteries ( Hawker Cyclon 2 volt 5.0AH X cell ) connected inA series and shrink wrapped together. I called a local battery shop-C and they said they can make me an assembly like that for about $20.0B ( or $40 for the 2 packs in a dual-battery unit ). This seems like; a better route to go as I'll know this way that I'm getting@ new batteries.  ?    The only option HP offered me was to buy a brand-new batteryf; unit for $900 CDN. Their website shows an exchange price ofn< $300 CDN but when I asked the guy on the phone about this he: denied all knowledge of such a plan. HP will also sell the= battery pack by itself for about $150CDN, but it's a slightly @ different variant with a different connector ( so wouln't really5 be any better for me than the locally made version ).u   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 12:48:05 -0700o1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)Y4 Subject: RE: Battery replacement on Raid Array 7000?, Message-ID: <gBIrvgLPme$m@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  . In article <0033000076002720000002L002*@MHS>, 0     WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:   > 8 > I would *not* recommend buying one aftermarket because0 > you don't know how long it's sat on the shelf. > 4    Yes, that's the same conclusion I came to (unless3 someone is offering refurbished units where they'vec' replaced the batteries with new ones ).   < > On the other hand, if the RA7000's set up like the RA8000,5 > the cables connecting the controller to the batteryn0 > (we call them trilinks) have three connectors: > 4     Exactly the same ( the only difference between a; RA7000 and a RA8000 are the controller and cache modules ).d  : > You won't have this option if you replace the innards of > the cache battery SBB. > 6     Right. I already have two "dead" battery SBBs. The4 idea would be to rebuild one, wait a couple of years5 then rebuild the second one, swap them and repeat theo process.  4 > (Are there any of those "WARRANTY VOID IF REMOVED"/ >  stickers on it at disassembly points?)   :^)  > 8    Didn't see any, but then all this stuff was purchased6 on Ebay so I don't have any warranties to worry about.  9 > Using non-Compaq batteries might give the support folksi< > something to point a finger at if your RA7000 has problems > down the road. > 8    At this point I'm in "self maintenance" mode - I have9 an RA7000 and a spare set of controllers, cache, EMU, PDU 4 and power supplies. I've opened up one of the Compaq6 battery packs and am going to get a new pack made at a3 battery shop using the same batteries Compaq used. o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:54:34 -0400* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>4 Subject: RE: Battery replacement on Raid Array 7000?- Message-ID: <0033000076063878000002L082*@MHS>0   =0AMalcolm-g  . Did I suggest that you check with David Turner at Island Computers?   I should have.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET % Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:50 PMhB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET4 Subject: RE: Battery replacement on Raid Array 7000?    - In article <0033000076002720000002L002*@MHS>,r0     WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:   > 8 > I would *not* recommend buying one aftermarket because0 > you don't know how long it's sat on the shelf. >r4    Yes, that's the same conclusion I came to (unless3 someone is offering refurbished units where they'ved' replaced the batteries with new ones ).S  < > On the other hand, if the RA7000's set up like the RA8000,5 > the cables connecting the controller to the batteryr0 > (we call them trilinks) have three connectors: >f4     Exactly the same ( the only difference between a; RA7000 and a RA8000 are the controller and cache modules ).d  : > You won't have this option if you replace the innards of > the cache battery SBB. >m6     Right. I already have two "dead" battery SBBs. The4 idea would be to rebuild one, wait a couple of years5 then rebuild the second one, swap them and repeat thes process.  4 > (Are there any of those "WARRANTY VOID IF REMOVED"/ >  stickers on it at disassembly points?)   :^)c >i8    Didn't see any, but then all this stuff was purchased6 on Ebay so I don't have any warranties to worry about.  9 > Using non-Compaq batteries might give the support folksS< > something to point a finger at if your RA7000 has problems > down the road. > 8    At this point I'm in "self maintenance" mode - I have9 an RA7000 and a spare set of controllers, cache, EMU, PDUe4 and power supplies. I've opened up one of the Compaq6 battery packs and am going to get a new pack made at a3 battery shop using the same batteries Compaq used.=    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 07:21:57 GMTw. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: Re: Battery replacement on Raid Array 7000?5 Message-ID: <p4K49.136762$cU1.3825166@news.chello.at>h  a In article <a7w2+8xbP3xC@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:o? >I have a Raid Array 7000 which appears to have dead batteries.o >08 >In looking at the battery assembly it seems that it's a3 >pretty pedestrian battery wrapped up in some fancyi5 >electronics and packaging. The cost to buy an entire 9 >new assembly (HS35X-BB) seems to be many hundreds of $$.i  , J&L computers sells them for $59 via EBAY...   -- n Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERR% Network and OpenVMS system specialisti E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 17:19 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)n& Subject: RE: Compression on DLT backup, Message-ID: <9AUG200217190775@gerg.tamu.edu>  . Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> writes...G }Could an almost exhausted, or just low system resource account for theS }increase? p
 }Andrew R.  	 Probably.   E It could be a system paremter (such as an insufficent channel count).   F It could be one or more account quotas (insufficent fillm or bytelm orD diocnt or most of the others, actually). (Note: the guidelines givenD in the System Manager's Manual are the MINIMUM suggested values, not> the OPTIMAL values - setting them higher can be a good thing.)  D It could also be the case that the disk drive(s) just can't keep up.E They could just be too slow. They could also be too fragmented (a fewm: bazillion extra head movements can kill your performance).  # It could be more than one of these.   & It could probably be other things too.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:55:39 +0100s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>m& Subject: Re: Compression on DLT backup8 Message-ID: <mb07luglq4qljfmb2geupf3gjcdgh1f8i1@4ax.com>  / On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:53:57 GMT, "Tom Simpson"e! <simpsont@attbi.com.fubar> wrote:T   >r > J >On our ES40 (VMS 7.2-1, latest "1" patches) with a dedicated SCSI adapter >forD >the tape and low system activity, the times almost doubled.  It was >dramatically worseS- >when the normal user load was on the system.   D Following quotas are from an ES40 running 7.2-1 with latest patches:  9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       600  Bytlm:       128000 9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0T9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       300  JTquota:       4096>9 Prclm:          10  DIOlm:      4096  WSdef:       200000t9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:      4096  WSquo:       200000s9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:        40  WSextent:   1000000>9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:     32767  Pgflquo:    2000000w  F Make sure sysgen channelcnt etc are sufficient. A couple of the quotasE above are set for reasons other than backup. Any  daytime backups runAF at approx the same speed as the overnight backups with these settings.B YMMV of course. We get over 30GByte/hr backup speeds sustained  toE DLT7000 class drives which is approximately the drives rated capacity- in compressed mode.    >egards, >Tom >23 >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in messaged3 >news:ed94lukmvcospodup0kkkc4t5mcv0viu1r@4ax.com....2 >> On Wed, 07 Aug 2002 23:02:37 GMT, "Tom Simpson"$ >> <simpsont@attbi.com.fubar> wrote: >>M >> >Expect your Backup times to (at least) double with compression enabled...I >>F >> Only if your drive is broken or you are not feeding it fast enough.3 >> Make sure your backup account is properly tuned.e >> >> >Regards, >> >Tom  >> >: >> >"Virginia Rogers" <vrogers@umich.edu> wrote in message' >> >news:3D4FDA04.103A5FF9@umich.edu...e >> >> John Santos wrote: >> >> >sF >> >> > A bunch of the various mount/driver/scsi/backup ECO's affectedG >> >> > compaction.  I think either the driver forgot the setting undereI >> >> > various circumstances (you would mount the tape with /compaction,hF >> >> > but some later event would clear the "compaction enabled" bit,G >> >> > so the driver would then start writing in uncompacted mode, and E >> >> > you would see the "compacted" state change spontaneously), oriE >> >> > it would neglect to actually set the hardware to the mode yourE >> >> > had requested (it would show as "compaction enabled", but theVE >> >> > tape would be writen un-compacted.)  Which ECO's do you have?  >> >> >r) >> >> John, I'm not sure what ECO's are.!  >> >> D >> >> > Also, the TK89 is a distant descendant of the TK50, which isC >> >> > a streaming drive.  To avoid stop/start cycles, if the data5E >> >> > is arriving a little slower than the drive requires, it wouldeG >> >> > write null blocks on the tape (which are skipped on read-back).0B >> >> > I don't know if the TK89 still does the same thing, but ifC >> >> > the 1000A can't pump data to it fast enough, there could be,C >> >> > a lot of wasted space on the tapes.  Is the tape drive on arD >> >> > SCSI bus by itself, or is something else contending with it?H >> >> > Is there a lot of other disk access going on during the backups,D >> >> > or does it basically have the system to itself?  This effectG >> >> > can be minimized by giving BACKUP as much memory, I/O channels, C >> >> > and process quotas as possible.  There is info about tuningA' >> >> > the backup account in the docs.D >> >> >5 >> >>BM >> >> I have been mostly trying the backup during the day.  There are lots ofi	 >> >otherdK >> >> drives on the scsi, although probably not very much disk activity.  ID >willt >> >tryg4 >> >> it at night and bumping up some of the quotas. >> >>R6 >> >> Thanks for all of the suggestions from everyone. >> >> G >> >> It took me awhile to figure out that depending on when I used the  >> >/MEDIA=COMPACTL >> >> qualifier, a later command might disable it.  However, even when I use >itg
 >> >on theL >> >> INIT and BACKUP commands, and make sure the compression light is on on >the	 >> >frontnL >> >> panel, it still doesn't make any difference.  Same thing when manually
 >> >selecting * >> >> density override on the front panel. >> > >> >> --b >> Alan  >d   -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 13:33:00 -0700.' From: jim.m.hayes@delta.com (Jim Hayes)i) Subject: Concatinating files under VM/CMS = Message-ID: <d05e3978.0208091232.65aae5a3@posting.google.com>c  C How can I concatinate several physical files under a single dd namei using a filedef command?   --Jimd   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 15:58:55 -0600r- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Concatinating files under VM/CMS/3 Message-ID: <OQqsj4OdUecv@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  g In article <d05e3978.0208091232.65aae5a3@posting.google.com>, jim.m.hayes@delta.com (Jim Hayes) writes::E > How can I concatinate several physical files under a single dd namei > using a filedef command?  = Perhaps by consulting a newsgroup that has to do with VM/CMS.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:12:47 -0400r2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>' Subject: Re: Counting records in a filea. Message-ID: <3D53BFCE.D67EB69C@mindspring.com>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:l  E > Some tests I posted yesterday indicate a gain of 6 to 1 by changingy- > the search string from "somegarbage" to "".d >dC > A test I did a moment ago indicated a loss of 9 to 1 going from al1 > search for "" to a COPY/LOG to the null device.t  2 I dunno if it's still true, but it used to be true2 years ago that the Null device was actually pretty6 darned slow in a lot of situations. It turned out that2 the Null device was a (I haven't got these details4 clear) byte-oriented, not record-oriented device, so5 software spent a lot of work reformatting the data inu4 order to write it to the Null device (which promptly+ threw the painfully-reformatted data away).u  9 I thought this got fixed, but I could easily be mistaken.i   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:56:33 -0400.( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>' Subject: Re: Counting records in a file , Message-ID: <3D53D821.8050006@tsoft-inc.com>   Atlant Schmidt wrote:   ! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:/ >  > E >>Some tests I posted yesterday indicate a gain of 6 to 1 by changing.- >>the search string from "somegarbage" to "".- >>C >>A test I did a moment ago indicated a loss of 9 to 1 going from as1 >>search for "" to a COPY/LOG to the null device.u >> > 4 > I dunno if it's still true, but it used to be true4 > years ago that the Null device was actually pretty8 > darned slow in a lot of situations. It turned out that4 > the Null device was a (I haven't got these details6 > clear) byte-oriented, not record-oriented device, so7 > software spent a lot of work reformatting the data int6 > order to write it to the Null device (which promptly- > threw the painfully-reformatted data away).h > ; > I thought this got fixed, but I could easily be mistaken.     L The null device is pretty nifty, and has been used in some interesting ways.  N But, if you're counting records, it's reasonable to choose a method that only R reads, rather than a method that reads AND WRITES (and possibly formats) the data.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 17:02:25 +1000e* From: James Cameron <james.cameron@hp.com>. Subject: Re: Cygwin/xfree86 and VMS/DecWindows9 Message-ID: <pan.2002.08.09.17.02.19.734353.13129@hp.com>t  4 On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 04:35:04 +1000, Tom Adams wrote:F > That generally worked well for me, but I don't seem to have the nameH > KP_comma or KP_Comma available.  There is a comma on the keypad of the > VT100.  I would like to say: >  > keycode 86 = KP_Commaa   On my LK450, it is KP_Separator: Give that a go?a   -- Jamesd   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:16:47 -06004$ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>* Subject: Deciphering VMS HEX message codes) Message-ID: <3D54313F.6BD2E46A@cha.ab.ca>a  H VMS Accounting is returning some NOMSG descriptions.  I have done "$ SETF MESSAGE SYS$MESSAGE:..." on some of the files in SYS$MESSAGE, but have@ had no luck so far.  Running VMS 7.3+ on ES45.  Does anyone have% descriptions for the following codes.l  & %DIFF-S-NOMSG, Message number 006C8009& %DIFF-I-NOMSG, Message number 006C80137 %NONAME-F-NOMSG, Message number 10000004 (DECNET COPY?)h% %SET-W-NOMSG, Message number 10778088t& %SHOW-S-NOMSG, Message number 10788019' %PRINT-F-NOMSG, Message number 10BF800C ' %NONAME-S-NOMSG, Message number 1801810e& %DOCS-E-NOMSG, Message number 122086AA( %NONAME-S-NOMSG, Message number 18F28659( %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 1E29C06A     -- Leet  ; Lee Y T Mah                        Capital Health Authority)? Email: lytmah@cha.ab.ca            Information Systems, RAH CSCt4 Phone:  (780) 477-4725, 477-4233   10240 Kingsway NW? Fax:      (780) 491-5119, 491-5619    Edmonton, AB, CAN  T5H3V9e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:05:12 -0700k0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>. Subject: Re: Deciphering VMS HEX message codes, Message-ID: <3D53DA28.2325C396@Mvb.Saic.Com>   Lee Y T Mah wrote: > J > VMS Accounting is returning some NOMSG descriptions.  I have done "$ SETH > MESSAGE SYS$MESSAGE:..." on some of the files in SYS$MESSAGE, but haveB > had no luck so far.  Running VMS 7.3+ on ES45.  Does anyone have' > descriptions for the following codes.s > ( > %DIFF-S-NOMSG, Message number 006C8009  $ %DIF-S-SAMEFILE, files are identical  ( > %DIFF-I-NOMSG, Message number 006C8013  % %DIF-I-FILAREDIF, files are differentm  9 > %NONAME-F-NOMSG, Message number 10000004 (DECNET COPY?)e  ( No genuine error message has this number6 (it is message number 0 with the Fatal status bit set)  ' > %SET-W-NOMSG, Message number 10778088   " %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying !AS  ( > %SHOW-S-NOMSG, Message number 10788019  3 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name !ASs  ) > %PRINT-F-NOMSG, Message number 10BF800Cd  # %PRINT-F-CREJOB, error creating joba  ) > %NONAME-S-NOMSG, Message number 1801810t  F A DECSIM message which I cannot translate because I don't have DECSIM.  ( > %DOCS-E-NOMSG, Message number 122086AA  ) Same problem.  I don't have this package.-  * > %NONAME-S-NOMSG, Message number 18F28659* > %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 1E29C06A  / I do not recognize either of these two numbers.e  
 Mark Berryman7   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 17:41:36 -06003- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)B. Subject: Re: Deciphering VMS HEX message codes3 Message-ID: <z9Jfp0rAAiC5@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  P In article <3D54313F.6BD2E46A@cha.ab.ca>, Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> writes:J > VMS Accounting is returning some NOMSG descriptions.  I have done "$ SET  I Of course that is the expected behavior for all but a few facility codes.s  H > MESSAGE SYS$MESSAGE:..." on some of the files in SYS$MESSAGE, but haveB > had no luck so far.  Running VMS 7.3+ on ES45.  Does anyone have' > descriptions for the following codes.n > ( > %DIFF-S-NOMSG, Message number 006C8009( > %DIFF-I-NOMSG, Message number 006C8013  ) DIFFERENCES messages are in PRGDEVMSG.EXE   9 > %NONAME-F-NOMSG, Message number 10000004 (DECNET COPY?)b  J That is for the SYSTEM facility, and is the Failure version of SS$_NORMAL.  ' > %SET-W-NOMSG, Message number 10778088 ( > %SHOW-S-NOMSG, Message number 10788019) > %PRINT-F-NOMSG, Message number 10BF800Cn  1 SET, SHOW and PRINT messages are in CLIUTLMSG.EXE   ) > %NONAME-S-NOMSG, Message number 1801810n  > That is strange.  Alpha VMS V7.3 tells me that is %DECSIM -- I> doubt they would have dropped that going to VMS 7.3+ (whatever	 that is).n  ( > %DOCS-E-NOMSG, Message number 122086AA  G I don't know what the DOCS facility is -- DEC DOCUMENT is facility DOC.R  * > %NONAME-S-NOMSG, Message number 18F28659* > %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 1E29C06A  A Those two have the site-specific bit (%x08000000) set, indicating 3 it is not a registered DEC or third party facility.e  @ The general list of facility codes known to VMS is in the SourceB Listings file DISK$AXPVMS073LS2:[V73.MSGFIL.LIS]SYSFAC.DAT, but itA has very few comments and is not much more help than F$MESSAGE().3   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 17:37 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)r. Subject: Re: Deciphering VMS HEX message codes, Message-ID: <9AUG200217370295@gerg.tamu.edu>  R In article <3D54313F.6BD2E46A@cha.ab.ca>, Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> writes...I }VMS Accounting is returning some NOMSG descriptions.  I have done "$ SET G }MESSAGE SYS$MESSAGE:..." on some of the files in SYS$MESSAGE, but have A }had no luck so far.  Running VMS 7.3+ on ES45.  Does anyone have & }descriptions for the following codes. } ' }%DIFF-S-NOMSG, Message number 006C8009h  4 From PRGDEVMSG: %DIF-S-SAMEFILE, files are identical  ' }%DIFF-I-NOMSG, Message number 006C8013t  5 From PRGDEVMSG: %DIF-I-FILAREDIF, files are differentS  8 }%NONAME-F-NOMSG, Message number 10000004 (DECNET COPY?)   Don't know.l  & }%SET-W-NOMSG, Message number 10778088  - CLIUTLMSG: %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying !ASr  ' }%SHOW-S-NOMSG, Message number 10788019f  > CLIUTLMSG: %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name !AS  ( }%PRINT-F-NOMSG, Message number 10BF800C  . CLIUTLMSG: %PRINT-F-CREJOB, error creating job  ( }%NONAME-S-NOMSG, Message number 1801810' }%DOCS-E-NOMSG, Message number 122086AAr) }%NONAME-S-NOMSG, Message number 18F28659b) }%NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 1E29C06Ah   Don't know.   < }Lee Y T Mah                        Capital Health Authority   --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:58:31 -04000 From: "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com>  Subject: Re: DecServer 700 help./ Message-ID: <ul87791rcc6e78@corp.supernews.com>   K Look on the www.digitalnetworks.net web site and which has all the docs for 1 the DECservers.  If you still need help then call 2 Dennis Majikas at 603-589-0324 or majikas@dnpg.com   Alan  2 "Jeff" <scada@cyberunlimited.org> wrote in message7 news:39ac55d0.0208090848.697cbe3f@posting.google.com...dI > Can anyone please email me and tell me what the difference is between a-I > DecServer 700-08 DSRVW-YA and the DSRVW-ZA. Also the difference betweeng > Revision A01 and A02.E >)	 > Thanks.R >B! > Jeff - scada@cyberunlimited.org0   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 21:44:29 GMT<3 From: "news.alltel.net" <dbwoodw-nospam@alltel.net>e Subject: Decserver 900TM& Message-ID: <1JW49.56$Xu3.15671@news2>  < Anyone know where I can get the "WWENG2" load file for this?   TIAl   Don Woodward   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:07:34 -0400a2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: dectalk fuse type?u. Message-ID: <3D53BE96.DDA17881@mindspring.com>   Nic Clews wrote:  I > UK supports fast and slow blow fuses, (and medium blow in the plugs). AlI > fuse is not actually voltage dependent so although the maths works out, J > voltage switching may change the characteristics of a wound transformer.  ( DECtalk doesn't have a transformer-input. power supply. IIRC, it's got the same offline-- switching power supply (capacitor input) that.+ was used in the identically-packaged VT240.w  2 I'm a little surprised the fuse differs. For 3.0 A+ versus 2.5 A, I'd probably not even bother.A. Maybe the "blow" curve (heat vs. time) was the real difference?   Atlant   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 17:05 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) $ Subject: Re: Edsger Dijkstra is dead, Message-ID: <9AUG200217054376@gerg.tamu.edu>  ) Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes... A }On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:54:05 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:tM }>In article <3D53C9BA.E55C2846@Omond.net>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:j' }>>Sad news:  Edsger Dijkstra has died.r= }>>See: http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=7338/ddj1028798699611/p }>>m< }>>For those who don't know who he was, I suggest you should	 }>>learn.h }>>i }>>Roy Omond }>>Blue Bubble Ltd.- }>>- } @ }Author of the classic paper "Goto considered harmful" and chief }architect of Algol IIRC }Alan:  @ Actually, he wasn't exactly the author of a paper by that title.C The article that he submitted was actually entitled "A case againstnB the goto statement". The editor wanted to publish it more quickly,B so he published it as a letter to the editor and changed the title< to the now infamous "The goto statement considered harmful".  J So the blame for that particular phrase goes to the editor, Niklaus Wirth.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:54:05 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG $ Subject: Re: Edsger Dijkstra is dead0 Message-ID: <00A1231B.8B59B583@SendSpamHere.ORG>  K In article <3D53C9BA.E55C2846@Omond.net>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:6% >Sad news:  Edsger Dijkstra has died. ; >See: http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=7338/ddj1028798699611/0 >Q: >For those who don't know who he was, I suggest you should >learn.3 >7
 >Roy Omond >Blue Bubble Ltd.s >   I I followed the link you provided and then followed a link on that page too# http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/t  	 It reads:u  %              In Pursuit of Simplicityi                the manuscripts ofM                Edsger W. Dijkstrar  :   On 6 August 2002, Edsger W. Dijkstra, Professor Emeritus8   of Computer Sciences and Mathematics at the University5   of Texas at Austin, died at his home in Nuenen, the.   Netherlands. ...     :w   :4   :c   Revised 9 June 2002r     Wow.  I wonder how they knew?2        --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMp             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:06:18 -0400e2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>$ Subject: Re: Edsger Dijkstra is dead. Message-ID: <3D53DA6A.68A1A330@mindspring.com>   system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   > Wow.  I wonder how they knew?>   He probably executed a "goto".   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:09:31 +0100r% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> $ Subject: Re: Edsger Dijkstra is dead8 Message-ID: <plm7luk54f6h3k6odecl9avprl6u97kead@4ax.com>  @ On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:54:05 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  L >In article <3D53C9BA.E55C2846@Omond.net>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:& >>Sad news:  Edsger Dijkstra has died.< >>See: http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=7338/ddj1028798699611/ >>; >>For those who don't know who he was, I suggest you shouldn >>learn. >> >>Roy Omonda >>Blue Bubble Ltd. >>  ? Author of the classic paper "Goto considered harmful" and chief  architect of Algol IIRC>  J >I followed the link you provided and then followed a link on that page to$ >http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ >t
 >It reads: >t& >             In Pursuit of Simplicity >e  >             the manuscripts of >   >             Edsger W. Dijkstra > ; >  On 6 August 2002, Edsger W. Dijkstra, Professor Emeritush9 >  of Computer Sciences and Mathematics at the University 6 >  of Texas at Austin, died at his home in Nuenen, the >  Netherlands. ...p >  >  : >  : >  : >  Revised 9 June 2002 >  >C >Wow.  I wonder how they knew? >l >c >  d   -- Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:16:16 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>h@ Subject: RE: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidates9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEHNFIAA.tom@kednos.com>s   >-----Original Message----- 5 >From: Stuart, Ed [mailto:Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com]o& >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:31 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComA >Subject: Re: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidates  >i >lL >The door is still open if any of you c.o.v. VMS advocates would like to sitC >on the board of Encompass.  Encompass is looking for folks who areaG >interested in helping set the strategy for Encompass.  There are threefE >vacancies and applications are being accepted until August 12, 2002.  >Applications can be found at:B ><http://www.encompassus.org/membership/bodcallforcandidates.html>J >There are 3-4 meetings a year that Encompass pays the travel expenses forC >and there are a higher number of conference calls.  As far as timeiE >commitment goes its peaks and valleys between 15 and 5% of a typicala
 >workweek.   Every week?A   >  >Ed F >**Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.** >0 >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.u; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).7@ >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 >e --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002m   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:38:29 -0500/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>o@ Subject: RE: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for CandidatesT Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C764@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  E That is what I have been told.  They say it varies and the 5% is morey	 common.      EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**        > -----Original Message-----* > From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com]' > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:16 PM ' > To: Stuart, Ed; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComCB > Subject: RE: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidates >  >  >  >  > >-----Original Message-----y7 > >From: Stuart, Ed [mailto:Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com]d( > >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:31 AM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComC > >Subject: Re: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidatesi > >t > >r= > >The door is still open if any of you c.o.v. VMS advocates a > would like to sitdE > >on the board of Encompass.  Encompass is looking for folks who are @ > >interested in helping set the strategy for Encompass.  There  > are three G > >vacancies and applications are being accepted until August 12, 2002.e  > >Applications can be found at:D > ><http://www.encompassus.org/membership/bodcallforcandidates.html>@ > >There are 3-4 meetings a year that Encompass pays the travel  > expenses forE > >and there are a higher number of conference calls.  As far as timeeG > >commitment goes its peaks and valleys between 15 and 5% of a typical3 > >workweek. > 
 > Every week?  >  > >h > >EdoH > >**Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.** > >r > >---) > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.e= > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).mB > >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 > >P > ---o( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002s >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:52:19 -0500/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> @ Subject: RE: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for CandidatesT Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C766@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  K While I have not been using VMS as long as you Barry (1985) I do understand I your concerns.  I have considered running for the board because I thoughtwI that maybe the user group could help HP see the value of VMS.  I have had D email exchanges with the VMS folks at HP and the exchanges have beenJ positive. However, I am currently assigned to a project that does not haveK many windows of downtime where I could travel to attend the board meetings. = Maybe I'll run in the next election when the project is over.n   EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**0      > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:Treahy@mmaz.com]( > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:13 PM" > To: Stuart, Ed; VMS List ServiceB > Subject: Re: Encompass Board of Directors -- Call for Candidates >  >  > Hi Ed, > = > a hesitation that I have, which may be common to many from - > the old camp, F > is pretty simple...  With what Palmer did, then Compaq, and now the = > unknown HP, I see little motivation to evangelize VMS when 3 > the owners of B > this product have used it as their cash providing whipping post. > F > Using VMS since 1979, I have lived through the blunders of Digital, ? > though they were still a good provider of technologies but I a
 > have never c> > liked Compaq or HP and prior to those acquisitions, neither 
 > were on my D > vendor supplier lists.   > > > So, to be willing to make a weekly time commitment of 5% to  > 15% weekly, G > is asking a lot when the only interest I have from HP is VMS and VMS N@ > remains that lingering question mark with a very dim future... >  > Best regards,, >  > Barry Treahy > H > ps. a rather amusing call was received I as completed this message, a ? > member from Encompass was ringing about attending this years pH > conference...  She was interested in why I would not be in attendance @ > and it was pretty much the same answer, I have no interest in  > anything  B > HP has to say beyond VMS and so far that has been very little... >  >  > Stuart, Ed wrote:  > = > >The door is still open if any of you c.o.v. VMS advocates n > would like to sitcE > >on the board of Encompass.  Encompass is looking for folks who are6@ > >interested in helping set the strategy for Encompass.  There  > are threeMG > >vacancies and applications are being accepted until August 12, 2002.o  > >Applications can be found at:D > ><http://www.encompassus.org/membership/bodcallforcandidates.html>@ > >There are 3-4 meetings a year that Encompass pays the travel  > expenses forE > >and there are a higher number of conference calls.  As far as timeaG > >commitment goes its peaks and valleys between 15 and 5% of a typical- > >workweek.   > >e > >Ed0H > >**Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.** > >n > >  > >  t > >t >  > -- i > B > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO  > C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028O >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:51:57 +0200d- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>N# Subject: FTP> get *.* does not workt& Message-ID: <3D5382AD.843C72C@Free.fr>   I run VMS 7.3 TCP/IP V5.1-15..- I wish to copy files from my Mac to my Alpha. H I started MPWS on the Mac and did connect to via FTP, providing my Mac's username and password.  9 I can do a SET DEF and a DIR and a GET one_file_only.COM.eH But if I do a FTP> get *.* or mget *.*or *.COM of whatever, I get this:  
 DTL02> ftp FTP> open 192.168.1.23K 220 192.168.1.2 ms-ftp-plugin Version 1.0 (Fri Aug  9 10:47:09 2002) ready.S Connected to 192.168.1.2.-< Name (192.168.1.2:system): (this space intentionally etc...) 331 Password required for ***.	 Password:t  230 User *** logged in, proceed. FTP> cd documents  250 "documents" cd successful. FTP> cd vms  250 "vms" cd successful. FTP> cd dclo 250 "dcl" cd successful. FTP> dir 200 PORT command successful. 150 ASCII transfer started.MG -rw-r--r--   1 ftp      staff             55 May 02 15:59 ALL_PRIVS.COMa ../..aO -rw-r--r--   1 ftp      staff            272 Jun 25 12:00 VMS_FAC_TOC_BUILD.COM P -rw-r--r--   1 ftp      staff            458 Jun 25 10:33 VMS_FAQ_HELP_BUILD.COMK -rw-r--r--   1 ftp      staff           3056 Aug 13 10:37 VMSFAQ_WIZARD.COM D -rw-r--r--   1 ftp      staff           6624 Aug 23 16:03 WEBDCL.COMG -rw-r--r--   1 ftp      staff          13044 Sep 25 16:33 WEBDOWEGO.COMa   226 Transfer complete.; 8529 bytes received in 00:00:00.74 seconds (11.21 Kbytes/s)e FTP> get WEBDCL.COMS 200 PORT command successful. 150 ASCII transfer started.t 226 Transfer complete.; local: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]WEBDCL.COM;1  remote: WEBDCL.COMp; 6624 bytes received in 00:00:00.15 seconds (42.55 Kbytes/s)- FTP> FTP> get *.com% 550 *.com: No such file or directory.f+ %TCPIP-E-FTP_NOSUCHFILE, no such file *.com  FTP>   Why? Thanks,s   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:27:41 -0700e5 From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My.Full.Name@intel.com>t- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replacey) Message-ID: <3D5425BD.ED024671@intel.com>o   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:  h > "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My.Full.Name@intel.com> wrote in message news:<3D52DBFD.50D22515@intel.com>... > > "Craig A. Berry" wrote:  > >-A > > > "Alan E. Feldman" <SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM> wrote in messageg > > >uN > > > > Example where EDT is faster and EVE is slower and incorrect! (vms 6.1)K > > > > (Note: I lowercased all characters in a Pascal listing file because> >e > [...]  >tD > >     It wasn't clear (to me, anyway) how EVE managed to miss some@ > > of the replacements in Alan's examples.  Nevertheless, it is > > controllable.$ >SH > Could you be a little more vague? Just *what* is controllable and how?  A     I'd like to be more vague, but that would involve some stuff, # and, you know, whatever...  :-} :-}E  G     And I bet you'd like to know what I was thinking when I wrote that.r I would too!  8-O)  :-)M  C     Anyway, I am quite puzzled why EVE missed substitutions on just > 4 lines of a 23K line file.  If I had the file locally, I play> around with it and try to give you an answer, but I don't (no, DON'T e-mail it do me! :-) ).e  B     But the "controllable" part has to do with case sensitivity or> insensitivity which you can control.  You are correct that EVEG defaults to case-blind matches _if_ the target string is all lowercase.sB It does case-sensitive matches for uppercase and mixed-case targetG strings, or if SET FIND CASE EXACT has been done.  I think (but haven't2J tested) that if case sensitivity is in effect, the case of the replacementC string is retained.  Within EVE, I'm not sure how you could do case,A insensitive targets while preserving the case of the replacement.rC Probably an "engineering choice" the developers made (the user will7A want the case and/or capitalization of the target word retained).i    B     OTOH, when I write these sorts of scripts, whenever possible I use "pure" TPU and invoke with:   <     $ EDIT/TPU/NODISP/NOSECT/NOINIT/COMM=script.tpu the-file  B And it just screams. :-)  Especially a global replace, like the OPF asked for, is really quite simple: a single Loop doing Search_Quietly,E Position, Erase and Copy_Text, until the search returns a null range.l  E     For more complicated things, e.g., if I'd have to write more than E one or two procedures, and if the function is already present in EVE, G I'll go ahead and use the EVE section file (or my extended version) andsE invoke the procedure directly from my script, typically at the lowest5B level possible (that is, one of the EVE$xxx or EVE$$xxx procedures# rather than the EVE_xxx procedure).-  ?     The problem with using an EVE INIT file is the command lineaA parsing.  And indeed, calling the EVE_xxxx procedures puts you atd? "risk" of needing to deal with a prompt (although I think EVE's>? prompting routines are fairly robust and will return a sensiblea@ result if there's no terminal/display).  But there's a WHOLE LOT> of code that gets exercise when EVE has to interpret a command* line and that can make things very slow...       -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfields! F20 Automation VMS System Supporty kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.coms   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 12:37:09 -0700f1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)n4 Subject: Re: Hoff, what is the status of your book ?, Message-ID: <B6bl3HYeG75O@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  4 In article <7rT9b12xYXGo@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2    Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > G > But if someone is only $x away from wanting to leave, perhaps that is ? > really best for VMS because their heart is not in it anymore.1  =     I suspect almost everyone is only $x away from wanting to9, leave their job ( for various values of x ).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 07:30:41 +0100d( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>4 Subject: Re: Hoff, what is the status of your book ?) Message-ID: <3D536191.E64DAACD@127.0.0.1>o   Keith Parris wrote:- > x > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<3%k49.303868$WJf1.154099@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...M > > What's the status of the VMS engineering group - adding staff or sheddingt > > staff these days?e > >cM > > If HP is adding staff, then perhaps they truly believe that there will be,H > > some sort of sales growth, with or without marketing or advertising. > >wO > > If there is normal attrition without replacement, or outright downsizing ofc2 > > the group then one can draw other conclusions. > H > Last I heard, they had some openings they were actively in the processE > of filling, some of which were back-filling for people who took thed > early retirement package.5 > E > Interestingly, fewer than 1 out of 4 of the people in the VMS group H > who were eligible for the early retirement financial incentive packageG > chose to leave -- apparently there's too much interesting stuff goingdE > on there right now to be able to convince folks to leave simply forB > money!  G But why would such a package be offered when experience is difficult totC come by? I'd argue that you should try to keep on to the folks that B really know what they are doing, rather than some Nintendo trained
 college grad.   B Anyway, glad to see the staff saw more sense than the management.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesy nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 21:41:56 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")4 Subject: Re: Hoff, what is the status of your book ?8 Message-ID: <00A1233B.5F69A61D@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  ` In article <B6bl3HYeG75O@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:5 >In article <7rT9b12xYXGo@eisner.encompasserve.org>, .3 >   Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:D >> 5H >> But if someone is only $x away from wanting to leave, perhaps that is@ >> really best for VMS because their heart is not in it anymore. >t> >    I suspect almost everyone is only $x away from wanting to- >leave their job ( for various values of x ).n >   K That's "for various values of $x".  (Perl joke: $x is a scalar, and scalars6K can contain _anything_, numeric, alphabetic, or whatever,  So a legitimate  L value of $x is "a million dollars and twelve dancing girls", "42", or "world peace and eternal happiness."    -- Aland    O ===============================================================================h0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210hO ===============================================================================a   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 06:12:34 -0600p- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 4 Subject: Re: Hoff, what is the status of your book ?3 Message-ID: <7rT9b12xYXGo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3D536191.E64DAACD@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > Keith Parris wrote:   F >> Interestingly, fewer than 1 out of 4 of the people in the VMS groupI >> who were eligible for the early retirement financial incentive package-H >> chose to leave -- apparently there's too much interesting stuff goingF >> on there right now to be able to convince folks to leave simply for	 >> money!s > I > But why would such a package be offered when experience is difficult toME > come by? I'd argue that you should try to keep on to the folks thatSD > really know what they are doing, rather than some Nintendo trained > college grad.s  G I don't know if there is some US legal reason why such packages have toeC be offered equally to all employees who meet a certain age/years of  service qualifications.i  E But if someone is only $x away from wanting to leave, perhaps that is = really best for VMS because their heart is not in it anymore.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 01:55:48 GMTt% From: "Yong Liu" <fdu9774@rogers.com>c% Subject: How to use jar under OpenVMSmK Message-ID: <EiF49.314252$WJf1.235091@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>h   Hi,u  H I have an alpha server running openVMS7.3. My understanding is that JavaL comes with OS. Normally, you can use jar -cvf  files_to_be_jared to compressL you classes for distribution. But I have tried this and it does not work. ByG now you know that I am a newbie. Can you tell me how to make this work?s   Thanks   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:32:24 +1000* From: "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com>) Subject: Re: How to use jar under OpenVMS-' Message-ID: <aiv9jo$5rm$1@lore.csc.com>e  0 "Yong Liu" <fdu9774@rogers.com> wrote in messageE news:EiF49.314252$WJf1.235091@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...3 > Hi,- >0J > I have an alpha server running openVMS7.3. My understanding is that JavaN > comes with OS. Normally, you can use jar -cvf  files_to_be_jared to compressN > you classes for distribution. But I have tried this and it does not work. ByI > now you know that I am a newbie. Can you tell me how to make this work?a  J which version of java are you using? ($ java -version).  What error do you receive?   You need to      $ @sys$manager:java$setup  to define the symbol, then     $ jar -h to get help.   Remember to check.) http://www.compaq.com/java/faq/index.htmle   Dale   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:43:53 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>n) Subject: RE: How to use jar under OpenVMS2T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9443@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Yong,r  D The latest versions of Java and the release notes for OpenVMS can be downloaded for free from:i. http://www.compaq.com/java/download/index.html   Regardsk  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultants Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicesr Voice: 613-592-4660s Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message------ From: Yong Liu [mailto:fdu9774@rogers.com]=20m Sent: August 8, 2002 9:56 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come% Subject: How to use jar under OpenVMSa     Hi,x  H I have an alpha server running openVMS7.3. My understanding is that JavaC comes with OS. Normally, you can use jar -cvf  files_to_be_jared to H compress you classes for distribution. But I have tried this and it doesD not work. By now you know that I am a newbie. Can you tell me how to make this work?n   Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:02:09 +0200s9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e) Subject: Re: How to use jar under OpenVMSg' Message-ID: <3D539321.7E1FD189@aaa.com>   ' What do you mean with "does not work" ?t- Can you copy a terminal output including your4+ command and any output- or errors messages.-   Jan-Erik Sderholm   Yong Liu wrote:0 >  > Hi,- > J > I have an alpha server running openVMS7.3. My understanding is that JavaN > comes with OS. Normally, you can use jar -cvf  files_to_be_jared to compressN > you classes for distribution. But I have tried this and it does not work. ByI > now you know that I am a newbie. Can you tell me how to make this work?i >  > Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:33:43 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlyh, Message-ID: <3D541913.426719EC@videotron.ca>  N HP's stock price did drop from the $20 range closer to the $13 range. Granted,I the stock market hasn't exactly been very healthy, but I don't think thatn8 folks are  ready to bet that Carly,s folly will pay off.  J Remember that HP still has a formidable challenge ahead of itself. All itsI serious server products are poised for forced migration to IA64. Tru64 istL being eliminated. And those are the product lines which generate the profitsL that keep the PC divisions alive. How many customers will be lost due to the pains of forced migrations ?  K How many customer began off-VMS migration plans during the pregnancy periodeH and after reading Stallard's memo(s) ? Those plans won't show up on HP's financials for quite some time.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:38:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlye, Message-ID: <3D541A44.39D79A05@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:F >         This is not the month to ask about any US stock as a general' >         indication of company health.b  M However, other companies such as SUN and even Microsoft have seen their stock . rise in recent days, whilst HP's is stangnant.  M Whether HP's stock will eventually follow , nobody really knows. But Assuming N it does follow later, the lag behind the "leaders" does indicate that the Wall? Street Casino doesn't see HP as one of the leaders in the pack.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:35:27 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>n+ Subject: RE: HP-Compaq Merger Went SmoothlynT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026608F7@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF -  E >>> However, other companies such as SUN and even Microsoft have seen < their stock rise in recent days, whilst HP's is stagnant.<<<  E Yep, Sun's stock is now all the way up to just over $4 (up from $3.66  earlier this week).r   Regardsn  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]=20p Sent: August 9, 2002 3:39 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlyt     Larry Kilgallen wrote:F >         This is not the month to ask about any US stock as a general' >         indication of company health.o  G However, other companies such as SUN and even Microsoft have seen their-4 stock rise in recent days, whilst HP's is stangnant.  D Whether HP's stock will eventually follow , nobody really knows. But@ Assuming it does follow later, the lag behind the "leaders" doesA indicate that the Wall Street Casino doesn't see HP as one of the< leaders in the pack.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 20:36:48 GMTr# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>5+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went SmoothlypK Message-ID: <AJV49.319973$WJf1.167569@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>s  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D541913.426719EC@videotron.ca...G > HP's stock price did drop from the $20 range closer to the $13 range.  Granted,K > the stock market hasn't exactly been very healthy, but I don't think that2: > folks are  ready to bet that Carly,s folly will pay off. >tL > Remember that HP still has a formidable challenge ahead of itself. All itsK > serious server products are poised for forced migration to IA64. Tru64 isdF > being eliminated. And those are the product lines which generate the profitssJ > that keep the PC divisions alive. How many customers will be lost due to the  > pains of forced migrations ? > F > How many customer began off-VMS migration plans during the pregnancy periodJ > and after reading Stallard's memo(s) ? Those plans won't show up on HP's! > financials for quite some time.A    G Actually, those off-VMS migrations probably have already impacted HP inME terms of purchases of additional gear or renewal of service contracts6D foregone in favor of buying gear from IBM or Sun to begin the ports.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 16:56 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlye, Message-ID: <9AUG200216560098@gerg.tamu.edu>  e In article <3D53DA35.4AD0CB47@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes...0 }Larry Kilgallen wrote:t } = }> > And I also ask in all sincerity, not knowing the answer:f }> >   How's the stock doing?u }>8 }> Not knowing the answer, I would say in all sincerity, }>G }>         This is not the month to ask about any US stock as a general ( }>         indication of company health. } 4 }Butthe question could be answered "differentially", }as in:D } * }  o "Well, it's fallen less than most" or } 3 }  o "Well, it's dropped 2x what Intel has dropped"  }  }Or some such. }  }Atlant5  @ In case you havn't been paying attention for the last few years, here is a good rule of thumb:>  @   The stock market has essentially nothing to do with how well a.   company is actually doing in the real world.  C If a stock's price takes a very sudden nose dive, you can be prettyeC certain that there is a very good chance that they were just coughteF doing something wrong or that they just announce unexpectedly terribleA results for the previous quarter (or, perversely enough, they mayeC have just announce results that were just slightly better than whatuE was predicted - I don't know why, but this "big drop on slightly good B news" effect happens a lot these days). That is just about all youA can find out about how well a company is doing based on the stockz market.E   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 19:36:01 -0400y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> + Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlym, Message-ID: <3D5451DE.A247E83C@videotron.ca>   Carl Perkins wrote:sB >   The stock market has essentially nothing to do with how well a0 >   company is actually doing in the real world.  R It has to do with how well a company can match predictions announced 3 months ago.  N In the case of Compaq, Carly made lots of promises during the merger. It won't* be so easy to deliver on all the goodies.   F Things may start to unravel when HP fails to deliver once or twice andI pressure mounts to take more radical actions which will then also unravelc Carly's integration plans.  < It is way too early to know how Carly's folly will turn out.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:22:17 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>e+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlyi= Message-ID: <dVZ49.57092$sA3.15067@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>-  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagel; news:yJD49.164192$nm.6061343@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...  >p@ > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message9 > news:cf15391e.0208080943.2f6372e9@posting.google.com...iC > > Despite all the FUD spread by competitors, the HP-Compaq mergerd$ > > appears to have gone quite well, >EK > Gee, has it really?  How quickly time flies:  it seems like only 3 months 0 > ago that even its legality was still in doubt. >l( > Oh, wait:  it *was* only 3 months ago. >eL > I wonder how people thought the Compaq/DEC merger was going 3 months afterH > it occurred.  Pfeiffer certainly seemed to be forging ahead great guns back > then.   K Other than Eckhard, who diddled around for an entire year, damn near nobodyp thought things were going well.r  D But 3 or 4 months later the PC business started looking bad (kind ofL > like HP's does right about now, and even by the same standard:  comparison7 > with Dell), and 3 months after that Pfeiffer was out.  > ' >  as evidenced by this news piece from 
 > > Yahoo: >oF > As the article concluded, "at least a year or two will likely elapse beforeK > the market pats HP executives on the back for a corporate integration job-J > well done."  That indeed will be about the right time frame for starting toK > form such conclusions, if it still seems all that well done a year or twoB > down the road.  J Yep. Sounds like the right timeframe. A lot can happen in two years, as we	 all know!p   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:24:03 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>o+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlye< Message-ID: <TWZ49.65817$uj.34716@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  ? "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message-( news:3D53C182.A29D10C8@mindspring.com...? > I suspect the 15,000 or so people laid-off ("made redundant")j< > have a different view of the merger. It remains to be seen6 > how the VMS customers will view the ultimate effects > of the merger.  L So far the VMS engineers seem fairly safe. Not so with Tru64. October 1 will not be pretty. >c: > And I also ask in all sincerity, not knowing the answer: >   How's the stock doing?  + Ummm, $13.410 today. Glad I unloaded at 16!n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:25:46 GMTr1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>e+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlyi- Message-ID: <uYZ49.70713$D36.68173@rwcrnsc53>o  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026608F7@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. JF -  E >>> However, other companies such as SUN and even Microsoft have seene< their stock rise in recent days, whilst HP's is stagnant.<<<  E Yep, Sun's stock is now all the way up to just over $4 (up from $3.66e earlier this week).i    A Yep. I have 10 shares of it, just so McNealy can't keep me out of  stockholder meetings! ;-}g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:20:02 -0400h2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlyh. Message-ID: <3D53C182.A29D10C8@mindspring.com>  = I suspect the 15,000 or so people laid-off ("made redundant")g: have a different view of the merger. It remains to be seen4 how the VMS customers will view the ultimate effects of the merger.  8 And I also ask in all sincerity, not knowing the answer:   How's the stock doing?   Atlant   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 09:26:46 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)H+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlyg3 Message-ID: <7miFVzNmVMcq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3D53C182.A29D10C8@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:r? > I suspect the 15,000 or so people laid-off ("made redundant")p< > have a different view of the merger. It remains to be seen6 > how the VMS customers will view the ultimate effects > of the merger. > : > And I also ask in all sincerity, not knowing the answer: >   How's the stock doing?  5 Not knowing the answer, I would say in all sincerity,l  = 	This is not the month to ask about any US stock as a generale 	indication of company health.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:05:25 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly . Message-ID: <3D53DA35.4AD0CB47@mindspring.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  < > > And I also ask in all sincerity, not knowing the answer: > >   How's the stock doing? >e7 > Not knowing the answer, I would say in all sincerity,0 >6F >         This is not the month to ask about any US stock as a general' >         indication of company health.=  3 Butthe question could be answered "differentially",  as in:  )   o "Well, it's fallen less than most" or0  2   o "Well, it's dropped 2x what Intel has dropped"  
 Or some such.:   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:26:40 +0200a/ From: "Bootstrap Systems" <bootstrap@xs4all.nl>.& Subject: Opdracht gezocht - job wanted* Message-ID: <aj05gm$bms$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  K experienced OpenVMS System/Security/Performance Manager is available now inlK Holland. 22 years (Open)VMS background. Seen all hardware and 99.99% of allv layered products.r> Contact: openvms@@xs4all.nl  (you know how to fix the address)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:31:32 +1000l* From: James Cameron <james.cameron@hp.com>9 Subject: Re: orphaned processes on Telnet and memory leakt8 Message-ID: <pan.2002.08.09.16.31.26.45316.13129@hp.com>  = On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 06:39:02 +1000, Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:o= > http://riogrande.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/379.htme  B Um, we've changed the hostname, please update your bookmarks.  ;-)B Also, the 379.htm bit is dynamic content and occasionally changes.  @ http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/ecos.phtml?what=TCPIPALP_E03A50   --
 James Cameront (author of ecos.phtml)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 20:25:57 +0200i9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>n  Subject: OT (well, *very* OT...)' Message-ID: <3D540935.63E7568C@aaa.com>s  6 Ok, ok, this realy hasn't anything with VMS to do, but I't amusing anyway...t  9 Have you ever found it tiresome to build your own PC froms6 components (cage, floppy, soundcard...), well there is
 help to get :d  & http://www.skizzers.org/andy/lego.html   :-)    Jan-Erik Sderholm.t   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 11:30:59 GMT-7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton)lD Subject: OT - Stock prices (was: RE: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly)! Message-ID: <Cav1+YQpfWk4@rabbit>o  N One of the sad lessons to be learned from the current market situation is thatM stock price .nes. company health, merger survivability, product quality, etc.   N This seems to be true both in the .com boom and .com bust era.  There are alsoI companies, both good and bad, who have *no* stock price, because they are  privately owned.  c In article <3D53DA35.4AD0CB47@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:t > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > = >> > And I also ask in all sincerity, not knowing the answer:y >> >   How's the stock doing?  >>8 >> Not knowing the answer, I would say in all sincerity, >>G >>         This is not the month to ask about any US stock as a generali( >>         indication of company health. > 5 > Butthe question could be answered "differentially",M > as in: > + >   o "Well, it's fallen less than most" ora > 4 >   o "Well, it's dropped 2x what Intel has dropped" >  > Or some such.1 >  > Atlant >  >  -- o Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"  "Lose the MAPS"i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 22:46:57 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>iH Subject: Re: OT - Stock prices (was: RE: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly)& Message-ID: <3D542A41.F79C5ED@aaa.com>  + Are stock prices realy *string* variables ?t3 Shouldn't it be "stock price .ne. company health" ?    Jan-Erik Sderholm   "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:a > P > One of the sad lessons to be learned from the current market situation is thatO > stock price .nes. company health, merger survivability, product quality, etc.k >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 15:56:50 -0600s- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen),H Subject: Re: OT - Stock prices (was: RE: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly)3 Message-ID: <9EeR1WxhzMDN@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  b In article <3D542A41.F79C5ED@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:- > Are stock prices realy *string* variables ?n  2 Some companies are just string shareholders along.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:17:20 -0400e2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>7 Subject: Re: OT Mac OS X woes, but advice needed please . Message-ID: <3D53C0E0.46056972@mindspring.com>   Paul Sture wrote:t  h > Totally off-topic I realise, but I know there are VMS pals out there who have experience of Mac stuff. > y > My problem is that my 3 month old iBook, running on OS X regularly drops he odd file or two (or three ort four or maybeud > more)). It's there according to the index (Finder, whatever), but simply gives "cannot open file".  + You may send your iBook to me. Just as soone- as I fix your problem, I'll send it back. :-)x  + Meanwhile, I'd bet on "protections" myself.n+ There's certainly no substantial discussionw+ going on in the Mac world of any particularf! data lossage going on in MacOS/X..   Atlant   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:05:09 -0700* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>9 Subject: Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product licenseo+ Message-ID: <3d5420d0$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   & Just a follow up to the group on this.    A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in messageo/ news:20020728142825.5934.qmail@nym.alias.net...pD > LSE isn't on the Hobbyist CD, I guess there simply wasn't room and Montagar > prioritised other packages.  > L > Send me an email and I'll arrange to get a copy of it to you, it's part ofJ > DECSET and usually comes on the ConDist which someone was good enough to > give me a copy of. >   L An attempt to install the complete DECset package from the ConDist so kindlyL donated by Doc Cypher has failed because of PAK issues.  Though the HobbyistB license PAKs include licenses for VAXSET and the individual DECsetI components, only CMS and DTM were accepted for installation.  This is theoE case where one has only the VAXSET license registered, or one has theeK component licenses registered.  The installation implies that having eitherfC VAXSET or the individual component license will suffice for any one 
 component.  I Can someone shed some light on why the Hobbyist kit would include invalid-I license PAKs for these components: LSE, MMS, SCA, and PCA, but valid ones0G for CMS and DTM?  Is there another version of LSE/MMS/etc around that Ia should try instead?e     Regards,   Alder    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:13:51 -0700* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>9 Subject: Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product licenser+ Message-ID: <3d5422da$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>a  	 Addendum:i      3 The DECset Installation Guide states the following:1  I     "The Compaq DECset for OpenVMS, Version 12.4 software requires CompaqFK OpenVMS Operating System, Version 6.2, 7.1, or 7.2 (7.2-1 for         AlphaM systems) software."i  L The Hobbyist kit includes VMS 7.2 for Alpha, not 7.2-1.  Why issue a PAK forL software which requires a different OS version.  Am I the only one who can't) install DECset with the Hobbyist license?e   I'm confused...again.    Alderd  A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in messageP/ news:20020728142825.5934.qmail@nym.alias.net...u  @ > On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> wrote: >t > <snip> > H > >I have a related question (I think).  Where in the Hobbyist CD is theK > >Language Sensitive Editor (LSE)?  The Layered Products License PAKs from I > >Montagar include one for LSE, but it's not a stand-alone package whichcJ > >you can install from CD, nor is it showing up on the system disk when I! > >run "$ DIR [000000...]*LSE* ".c >sD > LSE isn't on the Hobbyist CD, I guess there simply wasn't room and Montagar > prioritised other packages.s >kL > Send me an email and I'll arrange to get a copy of it to you, it's part ofJ > DECSET and usually comes on the ConDist which someone was good enough to > give me a copy of. >t >r > Doc. > --8 > The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. > ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum. https://vmsbox.cjb.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:33:56 -0500n7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> 9 Subject: Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product licenseoG Message-ID: <craigberry-AA7838.15335609082002@news.directvinternet.com>   + In article <3d5420d0$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>,i,  "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com> wrote:  K > Can someone shed some light on why the Hobbyist kit would include invalidsK > license PAKs for these components: LSE, MMS, SCA, and PCA, but valid onescI > for CMS and DTM?  Is there another version of LSE/MMS/etc around that It > should try instead?o  B I've installed and run DECset on various hobbyist systems with no D trouble.  Did you both register and load *all* the licenses you got @ from Montagar?  MMS has an excellent freeware replacement (MMK, B www.madgoat.com), but I don't think there are alternatives to the  others.@   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:09:56 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>s9 Subject: Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product licenset* Message-ID: <3D545536.5020306@qsl.network>   Alder wrote: > Addendum:r >   5 > The DECset Installation Guide states the following:S > K >     "The Compaq DECset for OpenVMS, Version 12.4 software requires CompaqiE > OpenVMS Operating System, Version 6.2, 7.1, or 7.2 (7.2-1 for Alphaf > systems) software."r > N > The Hobbyist kit includes VMS 7.2 for Alpha, not 7.2-1.  Why issue a PAK forN > software which requires a different OS version.  Am I the only one who can't+ > install DECset with the Hobbyist license?a  D I have not found any problem with installing the complete DECset on  either VAX or ALPHA.  G It appears that the DECset kit you have was issued after OpenVMS 7.2-1 e
 was released.t  F The hobby OpenVMS distribution CD-ROM was mastered before the OpenVMS  7.2-1 release.  C LSE or Language Sensitive Editor, is bundled as part of the SCA or ($ Source Code Analyzer part of DECset.  I The installation only really requires an installed license if you select e% the installation verification option.p  C After you install the products, what error messages are you seeing?t   -Johnl wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:12:07 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com># Subject: Re: RSH to captive accountf4 Message-ID: <1020809180011.415H-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ' On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Rainer Giese wrote:.  G > My intention was, that users can do something privileged via RSH to asG > captive account, where the intended things are done in LOGIN.COM. ButtL > nevertheless TCPIP$RSH_RUN.COM is executed after LOGIN.COM, so users would/ > be able to push any commands to that account.C > L > Although I found an acceptable way to suppress such commands by redefiningN > SYS$NET (TCPIP$RSH_RUN.COM takes the command from this logical), I think, itJ > is an inconsistency, that something is executed outside LOGIN.COM for in > captive account, isn't it ?   B Is the problem that there is a potential security hole in that theB user can modify or upload a new TCPIP$RSH_RUN.COM to this account,D which will then get executed after the (captive) LOGIN.COM finishes?  @ Normally, the rules for CAPTIVE accounts are that the process is> deleted as soon as LOGIN.COM exits, but it sounds like you are saying RSH breaks this.   E I think if you make sure that LOGIN.COM always exits with a $ LOGOUT,hC rather than just falling off the end or doing a $ EXIT, the captive3B process should go away immediately.  You could also write a littleB program that looked up its own process ID and called SYS$DELPRC on> itself.  This would keep the subsequent TCPIP$RSH_RUN.COM from ever executing.l  A Nesting the privileged stuff in a second command file should make 7 it easier to make sure all paths go through the logout.d   Something like:h  	 LOGIN.COMD
 $ set noon $ @do_captive_priv_stuff $ logout   DO_CAPTIVE_PRIV_STUFF.COM  $ on error then $ exit $ do stuff.... $ exit    ? You would want to test this by forcing various error conditionsr> to make sure you always got logged out before tripping the RSH
 command file.s   > --
 > Regards, > Rainer Giese   -- H John Santost Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:17:37 GMTv1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> , Subject: Re: Some Alpha news on The Inquirer- Message-ID: <NQZ49.70519$D36.68563@rwcrnsc53>t  G Bear in mind that Samsung has a history of broken promises. Like 1.2GHz  Alphas over two years ago, etc.g  L It would be interesting if they could perfect their CMOS9 process nearly two years ahead of IBM, though...     3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3D5174C4.2D520E1F@aaa.com... $ > "Samsung revisits Alpha processor"* > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4842 > " > "Alpha upgrade details Burtoned"* > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4831 >e > Jan-Erik Sderholm.D   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:09:40 -0400a3 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com_x>C$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe3 Message-ID: <3D532464.5020502@firstdbasource.com_x>n  3 They must have fixed some things in later versions.   	 VMS 7.2-1 ' $ pipe sys$input < @sys$login:login.comaF %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling
   \SYS$INPUT\T' $ pipe @sys$input < sys$login:login.com > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of SYSUAF has been superseded@ %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of EVE$INIT has been superseded   Michael Austin   James Gessling wrote:aJ > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > goodG > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by the3 > result when I typed: > ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >  > Can you guess what happens?B >  > Jim6 >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 16:38 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe, Message-ID: <9AUG200216383413@gerg.tamu.edu>  4 "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> writes...M }Ouch, I don't know what caused all the duplicate messages.  I think I killede }it now! }  }Matt.  ( I think you can safely blame Bill Gates.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:07:00 +0100mE From: Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net>D9 Subject: TCPIP 4.2 fails on IO$_SENSEMODE with TN device?08 Message-ID: <ug17lu09di0idk1ngopaum0pl4nsmm7sv8@4ax.com>   Hi,   C I have an issue with UCX version 4.2 with the latest ECO (5) on VMSh# 7.1 unrevised on an AS 1000A-5/333.   E I have an application on telnet that runs an exe in login script. Thec/ first call is to get terminal details as below:-   	STATUS = SYS$QIOW (%VAL(11),0! 	1		   %VAL(VDU(VDU_NO).CHANNEL),L 	1		   %VAL(IO$_SENSECHAR),: 	1		   , 	1		   , 	1		   , 	1		   %REF(TT), 	1		   %VAL(12), 	1		   , 	1		   , 	1		   , 	1		   )                       g  E This always fails on telnet TN devices with DEVOFFLINE (Device is not E in configuration or offline), even with a SET TERM/DEVICE or even SETt( TERM/INQUIRE in the COM file beforehand.  ? Also characteristic on this machine if you telnet from a remotemA DECWINDOWS system is that the terminal type is invariably unknowne until it has logged in.o  D We have another machine (AS 1000A-4/266 7.1-1H1 with UCX 4.1 ECO 10) that behaves correctly.b  A Anybody have any clue as to why 4.2 may be misbehaving like this?-   Many Thanks- Jamie Stallwoode   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:51:16 GMTn. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: tcpware for vax etc.A5 Message-ID: <oNP49.138259$cU1.3909365@news.chello.at>   G In article <3D53A452.7070701@osu.cz>, Jiri Hudak <hudak@osu.cz> writes:t& >Hi,where is download tcpware for vax?  0 See http://www.process.com/openvms/hobbyist.html  J >                                        Work cmuip066 for Vax OpenVMS7.2?; >Where is download rom (ka630,ka655,ka785 for ts10 emu vax?f  
 Start with  ( 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/   and	http://groups.google.com/p   -- w Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERr% Network and OpenVMS system specialist- E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:19:04 -0400* From: "Kaledas, Ronald" <RKaledas@dmc.org> Subject: RE: VAX RoutingL Message-ID: <B39B28A01B62D311B1360090277B3A58070F77A2@tro-nt-exchg2.dmc.org>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23FD1.3E570400  Content-Type: text/plain;n 	charset="iso-8859-1"o  G I have found out that you are only supposed to have ONE default gateway6F (regardless of what help says).  I have 2 subnets, xxx.xxx.215.xxx andG xxx.xxx.216.xxx.  Here is how I set mine up, perhaps you can adapt thisfG to your situation.  (I'm not sure how it would work with a "31.1" and asG "31.4" - perhaps just 192.168.31.0 for the first address in the command.) and 192.168.31.4 for the second address?)h  B In my network, I have xxx.xxx.215.0 defined as my default gateway.A To get redundancy to other subnets, define static routes as thus:5>    $ ucx set rout xxx.xxx.216.0/mask=24/gate=xxx.xxx.216.1/netC    $ ucx set rout xxx.xxx.216.0/mask=24/gate=xxx.xxx.216.1/net/permC: as an example, to get to the 216 subnet, if you're on 215.; Defining static routes means EACH subnet you want to get tor< must be defined explicitly as a static route as shown above.   Hope this helps. Rons   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: davidk@awirnd.com [mailto:davidk@awirnd.com]' > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:31 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > Subject: VAX Routing >  > F > I have a VAX on a network with 2 Cisco routers. The addresses of theF > routers are 192.168.31.1 and 192.168.31.4. Both addresses are set upD > as default gateways in UCX on the VAX. The destination host can beH > reached via either router (2 hops through 192.168.31.4, 4 hops throughG > 192.168.31.1). For whatever reasons, the VAX uses 192.168.31.4 as the B > default route. When that router is down, I can't seem to get the0 > packets to route through 192.168.31.1 instead. > 3 > The dynamic routing table in UCX looks like this:a > AH   127.0.0.1     127.0.0.1! > AN   0.0.0.0       192.168.31.4 ! > AN   0.0.0.0       192.168.31.1y! > AN   192.168.31.0  192.168.31.2H > F > Can I really have 2 default gateways like this? What is an alternate* > (and perhaps better) way to set this up? >   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23FD1.3E570400  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"e  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">i <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12"> <TITLE>RE: VAX Routing</TITLE> </HEAD>t <BODY>  ^ <P><FONT SIZE=2>I have found out that you are only supposed to have ONE default gateway</FONT>c <BR><FONT SIZE=2>(regardless of what help says).&nbsp; I have 2 subnets, xxx.xxx.215.xxx and</FONT> d <BR><FONT SIZE=2>xxx.xxx.216.xxx.&nbsp; Here is how I set mine up, perhaps you can adapt this</FONT>n <BR><FONT SIZE=2>to your situation.&nbsp; (I'm not sure how it would work with a &quot;31.1&quot; and a</FONT>i <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&quot;31.4&quot; - perhaps just 192.168.31.0 for the first address in the command</FONT>HA <BR><FONT SIZE=2>and 192.168.31.4 for the second address?)</FONT>h </P>  Y <P><FONT SIZE=2>In my network, I have xxx.xxx.215.0 defined as my default gateway.</FONT>cY <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To get redundancy to other subnets, define static routes as thus:</FONT> ` <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; $ ucx set rout xxx.xxx.216.0/mask=24/gate=xxx.xxx.216.1/net</FONT>e <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; $ ucx set rout xxx.xxx.216.0/mask=24/gate=xxx.xxx.216.1/net/perm</FONT>9R <BR><FONT SIZE=2>as an example, to get to the 216 subnet, if you're on 215.</FONT>S <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Defining static routes means EACH subnet you want to get to</FONT> T <BR><FONT SIZE=2>must be defined explicitly as a static route as shown above.</FONT> </P>  ' <P><FONT SIZE=2>Hope this helps.</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Ron</FONT>, </P>  6 <P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>v <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; From: davidk@awirnd.com [<A HREF="mailto:davidk@awirnd.com">mailto:davidk@awirnd.com</A>]</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:31 PM</FONT>6 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>1 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Subject: VAX Routing</FONT>r <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>e <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>oa <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; I have a VAX on a network with 2 Cisco routers. The addresses of the</FONT>ka <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; routers are 192.168.31.1 and 192.168.31.4. Both addresses are set up</FONT>w_ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; as default gateways in UCX on the VAX. The destination host can be</FONT>-c <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; reached via either router (2 hops through 192.168.31.4, 4 hops through</FONT>mb <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; 192.168.31.1). For whatever reasons, the VAX uses 192.168.31.4 as the</FONT>] <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; default route. When that router is down, I can't seem to get the</FONT>sK <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; packets to route through 192.168.31.1 instead.</FONT>n <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>yN <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; The dynamic routing table in UCX looks like this:</FONT>W <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; AH&nbsp;&nbsp; 127.0.0.1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 127.0.0.1</FONT> d <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; AN&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.0.0.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 192.168.31.4</FONT>d <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; AN&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.0.0.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 192.168.31.1</FONT>K <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; AN&nbsp;&nbsp; 192.168.31.0&nbsp; 192.168.31.2</FONT>l <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>va <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Can I really have 2 default gateways like this? What is an alternate</FONT>eE <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; (and perhaps better) way to set this up?</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>l </P>   </BODY>a </HTML>e) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23FD1.3E570400--l   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2002 23:53:13 GMTm* From: Jeff Shirley <buckyx@mindspring.com>. Subject: VAXstation 3100/76, 4000/VLC Desired?2 Message-ID: <aj1kl9$le1$2@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  
 Greetings.  J I may have an opportunity to grab a small number of VAXstation 3100/76 andL 4000/VLC boxes.  I would have to pay for them, but probably not too much.  IK am under orders from my wife not to acquire any more computers, but maybe I F can help them find good homes elsewhere.  They are located in southern California.   F Any interest in these things (my local DEC dealer was NOT interested)?   Jeff.C  6 P.S.  There are no "x" characters in my email address. -- F Jeff Shirley buckyx@mindspring.com.O "Bill Gates is filthy rich, but that doesn't mean I want to be married to him."t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:27:31 GMTi From: danco@pebble.org2 Subject: Re: VAXstation 3100/76, 4000/VLC Desired?- Message-ID: <slrnal8or4.38a.danco@pebble.org>d  F In article <aj1kl9$le1$2@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, Jeff Shirley wrote:  H > Any interest in these things (my local DEC dealer was NOT interested)?  J I already have a "stack" of them at home.  I have so much stuff powered upJ already that the circuit breaker in my "computer room" sometimes pops whenL I plug the vacuum cleaner!  I have a nice circa 1983 AT&T telecommunicationsK cabinet in the garage that my girlfriend would very much like me to get ridy? of...  You're not the only equipment pack rat around here.  :-Oh   - Danr   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 21:52:13 GMTs( From: "Jay E. Morris" <jem@epsilon3.com>C Subject: Re: Wanted: Employment - have cobol vax/vms and ingres toog: Message-ID: <hQW49.60390$Yd.3000587@twister.austin.rr.com>  J What part of Florida?  Far as I know Cape Canveral AFS is still running onG VMS but it *was* all Fortran.  The contractor is CSR (Computer Sciences 
 Raytheon).  ? Job listings: http://www.computersciencesraytheon.com/home.html-   -- -" Jay E. Morris morrisj@epsilon3.com- Epsilon 3 Productions - Web sites and hostingy   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:18:54 -0700' From: "Dann Corbit" <dcorbit@connx.com>18 Subject: Where to get ancient Software distribution CD's, Message-ID: <aj17u102vjg@enews1.newsguy.com>  D I want to get a set of old ConDIST CD's (now called Software ProductJ Library).  I tried DEC/COMPAQ/HP/"Flavor-of-the-day" and also Ebay, but no soap.M  I Where should I look to find a set of (for instance) "OpenVMS VAX Softwaren Product Library: March 1996"  I I have the opposite problem of what is usual -- we have the license files * for the needed products, but not the CD's!  
 Any ideas? --0 C-FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html$  "The C-FAQ Book" ISBN 0-201-84519-9H C.A.P. FAQ: ftp://cap.connx.com/pub/Chess%20Analysis%20Project%20FAQ.htm   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:50:53 -0500/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>o< Subject: RE: Where to get ancient Software distribution CD'sT Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C76E@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  I I guess the biggest question here is the licensing.  We may have the CDs.E If we do can we copy them?   EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**r     > -----Original Message-----. > From: Dann Corbit [mailto:dcorbit@connx.com]' > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:19 PMP > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi: > Subject: Where to get ancient Software distribution CD's >  > F > I want to get a set of old ConDIST CD's (now called Software Product@ > Library).  I tried DEC/COMPAQ/HP/"Flavor-of-the-day" and also  > Ebay, but no > soap.y > ? > Where should I look to find a set of (for instance) "OpenVMS   > VAX Software > Product Library: March 1996" > > > I have the opposite problem of what is usual -- we have the  > license fileso, > for the needed products, but not the CD's! >  > Any ideas? > --2 > C-FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html& >  "The C-FAQ Book" ISBN 0-201-84519-9 > C.A.P. FAQ: > > ftp://cap.connx.com/pub/Chess%20Analysis%20Project%20FAQ.htm >  >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.437 ************************