1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 12 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 442       Contents:# Re: %WWW-F-MONTAGAR, not responding F Re: Announce: LinkSys Router logging program for OpenVMS VAX and Alpha" Re: Automating EDIT/FDL ->OPTIMIZE Re: Comment to Sue RE: Decserver 900TM & Re: extended  parse and ^ in file name9 Re: Free answers are worth every penny you paid for them. ? Re: HP's pulling of Compaq call-center contract puzzles Broward H Incompatible Webdesign(er) (was: Second KLEZ from ATTBI Today - TROLL !) Re: KLEZ DU JOUR Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup  Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup  Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup  Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup  Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup - Re: MacGSview does not open VAX Document .PS? 
 Re: osf4.0 osf4.0. Re: OT Mac OS X woes, but advice needed please= Re: P.Thread: setting RR scheduling policy on default thread?  Re: PointSecure  Re: RSH to captive account* Re: Second KLEZ from ATTBI Today - TROLL ! Shadow Volume Help Needed  Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  TCPIP$LPRSETUP suggestion  Trivia questions RE: Trivia questions Re: uaf ) RE: VAXstation 3100/76, 4000/VLC Desired? . Re: VMS Hobbyist User Guide: table of contents. Re: VMS Hobbyist User Guide: table of contents RE: XML-RPC for OpenVMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:14:12 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> , Subject: Re: %WWW-F-MONTAGAR, not responding' Message-ID: <3D57D0C4.7050801@MMaz.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:    >Mornin' everyone, > ; >Who knows when our beloved hobbyist site will be up again?  >    > ) It is working just fine as of 8:13 am PDT    Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 00:34:51 -0700/ From: pxxo-i60l@dea.spamcon.org (Phil Ottewell) O Subject: Re: Announce: LinkSys Router logging program for OpenVMS VAX and Alpha = Message-ID: <4ed35bd8.0208112334.406f81ed@posting.google.com>   U system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A124A1.5D48AEF2@SendSpamHere.ORG>...  [snip]K > This looks nice!  I configured the LINKSYSLOG.DAT file for the IP address M > of the router and then accessed an inside machine from the DECUServe Alpha. $ > I got a stack dump which I did so: > x > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=0000000000000004, PC=FFFFFFFF807C08E4, PS=0000001B1 > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows L >   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC  > I went a bit mad and added pixmaps with an excessive number ofC colours, so it was unable to create the pixmap on an 8-bit display. ? Because I didn't have a monitor connected to my VAX (I'm in the E process of rearranging my computer room) I "tested" it by setting the D display to my Alpha, so all was well because that is TrueColor. Doh!  E I saw the crash report today (red face time) and also happened to add C a new desk to my computer room, and took the opportunity to get the F VAX hooked up to the monitor. Debugged the crash, added code to handleE the condition, and reduced the number of colours in the XPM images to C 8, which is much more sensible. LinkSysLog now works again on 8-bit A displays, and on TrueColor display such as my Alpha. Apologies to D anyone who downloaded the initial release. Please get the latest one from  ) http://www.pottsoft.com/home/pds/pds.html    or  ' http://www.yrl.co.uk/~phil/pds/pds.html   ( or by anonymous ftp to ftp.pottsoft.com.  8 Thanks to VAXman for spotting that and sending feedback.  ? To contact me please send mail to my first name at pottsoft.com    - Phil Ottewell    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 09:47:31 -0700" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe)+ Subject: Re: Automating EDIT/FDL ->OPTIMIZE = Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0208120847.4b898890@posting.google.com>   a Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<87ptwskoil.fsf@prep.synonet.com>... 5 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > C > > In that case, you may need to go through a one-time exercise to D > > manually adjust the bucket sizes and do CONVERT/FDL. After that,1 > > automated optimisations should run just fine.  > E > If it is 17,000 files, perhaps changing the cluter size is a better  > idea?   E Yup. The undocumented logical mentioned else where is pretty much the @ way to go due to the number of files (~220 across in each of ~80E environments). It involves a 3rd party product and the batch jobs run 4 CONVERT against the same "pre-existing" FDLs for allC environments/drive (cluster sizes). For somewhere around 50% of the 7 files the file name doesn't match the pre-existing FDL.   A No idea why it worked on 7.1-1H2 but this is turning into a major  headache under 7.3...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:21:44 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Comment to Sue ) Message-ID: <3D57A858.ABD85FE4@127.0.0.1>    JF Mezei wrote:  > J > Got a few folded postscards recently from HP. Didn't bother opening themP > because I didn't see "VMS" mentioned outside so I assumed they were for wintel, > presentation in which I am not interested. > N > So, if any  presentatiosn, whether organised by local offices or fom HQ planN > to have serious VMS content, it would be a good idea to ensure that "VMS" is/ > visible from the envelope or folded postcard.  > M > Just a comment. (I realise that this may be totally outside of Sue's hands, ! > but I made the comment anyways)    Counter comment:  F If the postcard has "VMS" stamped on the outside, the Wintels and Unix  types would bin without opening.  F Taking a rough straw poll on mail I've received, IIRC very few or none9 actually have the solution's name printed on the outside.   H As an aside, Microsoft recently ran an ad campaign in the UK, and if youE look closely, VMS is mentioned in the diagrams. It is the 1 degree of - separation ads (Computer Weekly / Computing).  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:48:25 -0400 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: Decserver 900TM- Message-ID: <0033000076304396000002L062*@MHS>    =0ATry www.dnpg.com.  B If they don't have it, then they'll know where it can be obtained.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET % Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:59 PM B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: Decserver 900TM    < Anyone know where I can get the "WWENG2" load file for this?   TIA   
 Don Woodward=    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 03:22:50 -0700+ From: pierre.bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre) / Subject: Re: extended  parse and ^ in file name = Message-ID: <1c0e37b1.0208120222.2ee2af83@posting.google.com>    well...   E so I'll have to be very careful while modifying (my personnal version ; of) the ZIP command in order to have foo^.bar.txt appear as : foo.bar.txt when the .ZIP file is expanded on a WinNT box.   Pierre.   [ carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<8AUG200217425282@gerg.tamu.edu>... - > Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes...  > }Bru, Pierre wrote:  > } F > }>DCL "understant"  the syntax without the ^. is it possible to also > }>display without it ? > }>K > }I don't think you can have it displayed without the ^, because to do so  J > }would be ambiguous. For example, if "a.b.c" was displayed, what is the < > }file type? ".c" or ".b.c"? The ^ resolves that ambiguity. > ( > It is even worse for path information. > = > Is "[a.b.c]" one level deep ("[000000]a^.b^.c.dir" exists), ; > two levels deep, or three levels deep? How confusing will ; > it be when you find out that you absolutely can not go to > > a directory called [a.b] with VMS insisting that it does notA > exist, since it doesn't because [a.b.c] is only one level deep?  > 7 > "[a^.b^.c]" may not be pretty, but it is unambiguous.  > 
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:04:49 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>B Subject: Re: Free answers are worth every penny you paid for them.. Message-ID: <3D57DCA1.A7A15E87@mindspring.com>   David D Miller wrote:    > Year the KO retired?  9 The google query '"Ken Olsen" Digital until" revealed the ( following as it's second (of 649) match:  )   http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/Olsen.html   -   That web page says he left Digital in 1992. /   That may or may not have been what you meant, 0   and the answer may or may not be accurate. :-)       > Year the Compaq bought DEC?   ( The Google query "Compaq bought Digital" revealed answer 2 (of 43,800):  (   http://www.wideopen.com/story/484.html    Which claims 1998. Same caveats.   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:19:38 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>H Subject: Re: HP's pulling of Compaq call-center contract puzzles Broward. Message-ID: <3D57A7DA.F1144434@mindspring.com>  7 As I recall, Broward County was one of many counties in 7 Florida that ended up "voting" for unbridled capitalism 9 way back in 2000. (Whether the people actually voted that 0 way or not is, of course, a different question.)  1 County officials shouldn't complain now when they 8 find HP simply exercising the very principles the county officials supported.  0 If the trend is unchecked, *ALL* of our jobs are/ likely to move to Bangalore and similar places.    Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:14:12 +0200 1 From: Franz-Josef Fornefeld <jo.fornefeld@gmx.de> Q Subject: Incompatible Webdesign(er) (was: Second KLEZ from ATTBI Today - TROLL !) ( Message-ID: <aj7u94.1ec.1@jo.dyndns.org>   Paul Sture wrote:   * > [...] I have found more than a few sitesD > which tell me I have an incompatible browser even when using MSIE.  2 Oh yeah. Those people don't want to sell to me ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:10:11 +0200 1 From: Franz-Josef Fornefeld <jo.fornefeld@gmx.de>  Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR ( Message-ID: <aj81i4.2gs.1@jo.dyndns.org>   Terry C. Shannon wrote:   D > Note that the Taliban SPAMMER is now using my openvms.org address? > M > Seems that a speedy trial and a slow hanging is the appropriate response to  > these cyberterrorists, > + > I have the rope. Do you have the tree????    When will you ever learn?   7 The sender of this mail is no terrorist, he's infected.   F Protect yourself by using non-microsoft mail and newsreaders (and move this mail to your nulldevice).   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2002 12:02:10 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup6 Message-ID: <aj8842$18q72o$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  - In article <6Us59.60014$UU1.10849@sccrnsc03>, 4 	"Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes: > M > I pretty much have to use a Peecee since that's where I publish. But I will  > check out your advice. >   J Why does your "publishing" from a peecee have any effect on where you readJ your mail??  Any decent terminal emulator on the peecee would allow you toI read mail from a safe machine while still allowing your to "publish" with L your peecee software.  You can even cut and pastre from the email into other' peecee documents if you really need to.   M So the question remains, why do you read email in such an unsafe environment?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2002 12:03:38 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup6 Message-ID: <aj886q$18q72o$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  ; In article <3d56622b.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, 5 	martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes: 7 > Doc.Cypher (Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]) wrote: K >> You never know, you could end up with an admin who configures the system , >> to block all files with a .exe extension. > N > You don't even need an admin if you have Outlook 98 with the latest securityO > patch (by Microsoft). This blocks all attachments with suspicious extensions,  > .exe being one of them.  >   H And then all you have to do is have the necessary faith that MS actuallyG got it right.  And we already know what their track record is regarding 	 that.....    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2002 12:11:12 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup6 Message-ID: <aj88kv$18q72o$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  ) In article <jxmR8hkcL1JO@elias.decus.ch>, , 	p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: > K > I routinely discard any mail which comes with a first name only, as it is & > normally a get rich scheme or worse.  C Which is yet another example of letting the terrorist win.  You are B discarding possibly valid email beacuse some jerk has successfully modified your behavior.   A I have been using the username "bill" at numerous locations since A before the "INTERNET" went public.  I used it on UUCP Email and I @ used it on ARPANET long before the term ISP was even dreamed up.. I have never asked anyone to "get rich quick".   And I will continue to useit!!!    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:11:30 +0100 E From: Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> " Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup8 Message-ID: <bucflucvbskpvfmr5fjl9844hlabjmafj1@4ax.com>  4 On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:02:35 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote:   0 >According to SPAMCOP, the source of the KLEZ is > 5 >Spam report id 99738815 sent to: postmaster@3web.net 5 >Spam report id 99738816 sent to: abuse@cybersurf.net  > L >Still looking for the rope and the tree for the mcuh-deserved slow hanging.  ? I don't care, as do most COV readers, if you have a virus. It's 6 off-topic and I'm bored of skipping this junk posting.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 10:15:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup3 Message-ID: <lPYQeRncGHr5@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <bucflucvbskpvfmr5fjl9844hlabjmafj1@4ax.com>, Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> writes:  A > I don't care, as do most COV readers, if you have a virus. It's 8 > off-topic and I'm bored of skipping this junk posting.  	 Likewise.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:36:23 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 6 Subject: Re: MacGSview does not open VAX Document .PS?' Message-ID: <3D576577.1B574891@aaa.com>   8 Hm, your example "first line" looks as a number of lines7 without line-breakes. Should have looked something like  this :   %!PS-Adobe-3.0 %%Title: 6444IG -  %%Creator: VAX DOCUMENT V2.1-1I < %%Copyright: 1986,1987,1988,1989,1990,1991 DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION. %%  4 Could be some problem with the file copy VMS -> MAC.* If using FTP, make sure it's set to ASCII.  6 How does it look at the VMS side (the original file) ?  ? (I convert my DECdoc PS files into PDF files directly on my VMS 1 system using the VMS version of GSview, b.t.w...)    Jan-Erik Sderholm   Didier Morandi wrote:  > P > When trying to open a .PS document on my Mac with MacGSview 2.0 b3 I get errorU > -21. The document is a PostScript doc built via VAX Document. The first line reads:  > P > %!PS-Adobe-3.0  %%Title: 6444IG - %%Creator: VAX DOCUMENT V2.1-1I %%Copyright:C > 1986,1987,1988,1989,1990,1991 DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION.   %%  > 7 > Could someone share some light on this issue, please?h > Tx.p >  > D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:26:51 -0400w2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: osf4.0L. Message-ID: <3D57A98B.1173B8AF@mindspring.com>   Vivek Soni wrote:f   > Hi,  > 2 > Can anybody give me some info of the OS osf4.0 .    Take a look in comp.unix.tru64 .  ! DEC kept changing the name of it.    Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:31:28 +0530e# From: "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com>  Subject: osf4.0n/ Message-ID: <ulf8pe5mi70u89@corp.supernews.com>K   Hi,m  0 Can anybody give me some info of the OS osf4.0 .   Thanks Vivek    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:49:13 -0400e- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>e7 Subject: Re: OT Mac OS X woes, but advice needed please ( Message-ID: <3D57A0B9.352F0910@ohio.edu>  R I found when I upgraded my Blue & White G3 to OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.1.5, that severalW software packages did not work under OS 10/Classic until I did a clean install of 9 and-W then added 10.  I presume that there was a relic control panel or system extension that U was incompatible, but I have not bothered to try to identfy it.  The symptom was that.Y whenever the mouse was moved even one pixel, the pointer turned into a wristwatch and the $ entire screen was re-drawn, slowly.   T To provide some VMS-relevant content:  I also found that the OS 9 and 10 default forX dealing with the special function keys was to capture them for the OS-defined shortcuts,Z thereby disabling proper VT-220 emulation in VersaTerm.  Fortunately, whenever my reflexesT caused me to press the function keys, a dialog box came up, which directed me to theS "Keyboard" control panel, on which there is a "Function keys" button.  Eventually I8Y notices that on the resulting dialog box, there is a check-box "Enable Hot Function Keys"2Y at the top.  If you clear the box, the OS hijacking of the function keys is disabled, and.T VersaTerm and Mac WordPerfect (and presumably any other such software) regain  their normal operation.    								RDPt     Paul Sture wrote:: > e > In article <3D53C0E0.46056972@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:7 > > Paul Sture wrote:T > >Fk > >> Totally off-topic I realise, but I know there are VMS pals out there who have experience of Mac stuff.  > >>| > >> My problem is that my 3 month old iBook, running on OS X regularly drops he odd file or two (or three ort four or maybeg > >> more)). It's there according to the index (Finder, whatever), but simply gives "cannot open file".  > >t/ > > You may send your iBook to me. Just as soono1 > > as I fix your problem, I'll send it back. :-)r > >!/ > > Meanwhile, I'd bet on "protections" myself.a/ > > There's certainly no substantial discussione/ > > going on in the Mac world of any particular % > > data lossage going on in MacOS/X.c > > L > Thanks, I'll look into protections. Methinks there's a definite rat in theO > system , which may date back to having to kill the initial installation via aiL > hardware reset because it refused to accept the fact that I didn't have itD > hooked up to either phone line or internet connection at the time. > O > Having been bitten in the past by M$ attempts to get me to sign up for MSN, ap5 > ceratin amount of stubborness kicked in an that :-)  > @ > Sigh. Time to do the Windows thing and reinstall from scratch? > __ > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlandm   -- tB ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 10:23:20 -0700 From: ohm62@hotmail.com (OHM)dF Subject: Re: P.Thread: setting RR scheduling policy on default thread?< Message-ID: <9d337b47.0208120923.24c986a@posting.google.com>  D Thank you so much, David, for such precise information.  I apreciate your time on this!  C I am now using asynchronous RMS I/Os, with a file context structuretE per thread that gathers RMS control structures FAB, RAB, ... (set for B shared update, multiple stream access and manual record un/locking control)? and a pthread condition, so I can have threads waiting on theirh@ private condition after RMS system calls, and the completion ASTD signaling it.  Upcalls are turned on and kernel threads off, for the
 time being...n  D This looks like working alright most of the time.  I get things hung? once in a while, and I suspect the scheduling policy difference D between the main thread and the spawned ones.  Could the main threadE in throughput prevent the RR ones from running, when it waits for RMSuF I/O completion, in spite of the upcalls?  Unfortunately, SDA's pthreadB thread|mutex -l|condition -w commands do not help much because theF mutex owners are seldomly listed there, on the contrary of the waiters (bug in SDA?).C Now that you gave me the means to straighten my scheduling policiess$ up, I should be able to find out :-)   Thanks,f  
   -- Olivier.h   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 10:55:41 -0700  From: deltauh@yahoo.com (daniel) Subject: Re: PointSecure= Message-ID: <e6e1751e.0208120955.79dfd7d6@posting.google.com>S  D If you would like, I can get you the numbers of people who are using the product on production.     Daniel      c Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> wrote in message news:<3D455EC0.7C0FDA78@ceris.purdue.edu>...r > Group, > F > I'd appreciate it if anyone is using PointSecure if they would shareE > with me what software package(s) you are using and how you like then
 > results. > 	 > Thanks,  > 
 > Chuck Aaron  > VMS Systems Managere > CERIS - Purdue Univ.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:19:21 +0100a1 From: "Rainer Giese" <remove.giese@volkswerft.de> # Subject: Re: RSH to captive account 6 Message-ID: <aj7k19$18udva$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>  3 "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> schrieb im NewsbeitragM. news:1020809180011.415H-100000@Ives.egh.com...D > Is the problem that there is a potential security hole in that theD > user can modify or upload a new TCPIP$RSH_RUN.COM to this account,F > which will then get executed after the (captive) LOGIN.COM finishes?   No,no.  B > Normally, the rules for CAPTIVE accounts are that the process is@ > deleted as soon as LOGIN.COM exits, but it sounds like you are > saying RSH breaks this.   J TCPIP$RSH_RUN.COM is executed after LOGIN.COM, in every case. And I think,$ it should not for a captive account.  G > I think if you make sure that LOGIN.COM always exits with a $ LOGOUT, E > rather than just falling off the end or doing a $ EXIT, the captive.$ > process should go away immediately  I That not works. The client will get a message, that the RSH connection isf broken.x  J And as I said : redefining SYS$NET seems secure enough to me, but it would' be better, if RSH checks the UAF flags.s   -- Regards, Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:14:07 +0200.1 From: Franz-Josef Fornefeld <jo.fornefeld@gmx.de>n3 Subject: Re: Second KLEZ from ATTBI Today - TROLL ! ( Message-ID: <aj7u8v.1ec.1@jo.dyndns.org>   Paul Sture wrote:t  ^ > In article <aiti5i.268.1@jo.dyndns.org>, Franz-Josef Fornefeld <jo.fornefeld@gmx.de> writes: >>7 >> So throw away any mailreader that does HTML preview.e >v& > Can you please tell Microsoft that?   ! "Throw away" is your task. Sorry.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:16:16 -0400o* From: Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net>" Subject: Shadow Volume Help Needed8 Message-ID: <20020812131616.L383319@marvin.4amlunch.net>  J i am attempting to set my system volume up as a shadow on my DEC 3000/700.  O it's not going so well however, and the Shadow Volume manual is, well, lacking.    to put it nicely.-  6 $ MOUNT DSA0: /SHADOW=($1$DKB0:,$1$DKB100:) SHADOWVOL ? %MOUNT-F-NOMASTER, no master member found for this virtual unitjD %MOUNT-I-SHDWMEMFAIL, _$1$DKB0: failed as a member of the shadow set- -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availableiF %MOUNT-I-SHDWMEMFAIL, _$1$DKB100: failed as a member of the shadow set- -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availables  M how to i setup a master member?  i'm following the manual, and it doesn't sayhO anything about doing anything special, it just says to do that.  so why doesn'ty
 it work then?n   -brian -- y she manipulates my language			| ) the scion of a cunning goddess			| Fridgeg  and i *am* but a MAN				| Magnet) watching my gratuitous torment			| Poetryw not looking herculean				|   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:39:36 +0100 (MET)-9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>h& Subject: Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed; Message-ID: <01KL7ZW9WXAG96Z9MP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>B  B > i am attempting to set my system volume up as a shadow on my DEC > 3000/700.  > H > it's not going so well however, and the Shadow Volume manual is, well, > lacking. a  C Before I first built shadow sets on my hobbyist system, I read the ,D documentation several times (admittedly confusing---for example, to B anyone but an old hand, it is not obvious why non-zero allocation G classes are necessary), then shadowed a non-system disk first---easier  D and more important.  (Think about it: the system disk CAN be rebuiltG easier than your user disk.)  I then shadowed the system disk.  Things   have been fine since then.  B First, you will want to MOUNT/SHADOW a SINGLE disk, i.e. create a @ 1-member shadow set.  You then add another disk later.  With theC appropriate system parameters, the multi-member shadow set will be n reconstructed at boot time.   G Search the archives for a post of mine a few months ago where a made a lA "building shadow sets for dummies" check list and then collected  ' comments from knowledgeable folks here.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:07:22 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe. Message-ID: <3D57A4FA.A9BAA842@mindspring.com>   James Gessling wrote:s  J > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what4 > good the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  , The real use, of course, was that it enabled0 excrutiatingly simple filters to be built (these/ filters having absolutely no knowledge of filesd- and the like), but these simple filters coulde. still used to process input coming from files.   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:56:32 -0700:, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe5 Message-ID: <aj8eqi$18vb70$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>.  + No, it's executing my login.com, like this:   & $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.comA %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of SYS$PRINT has been superseded  $ sho sys/noprocD OpenVMS V7.2-1H1  on node ETAA34  12-AUG-2002 06:56:12.50  Uptime  1 10:31:01   Weird.   Jima  - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in messager0 news:aj3num$179pjl$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de...I > Not sure what it does for you but on VAX/VMS 7.2 it executes like this:m > ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com >eH > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling >v
 > \SYS$INPUT\i >  > $  >i2 > Which is probably not what you're seeing, right? > ; > "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> schreef in berichti1 > news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de...|L > > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > > goodI > > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by theu > > result when I typed: > >:* > > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com > >o > > Can you guess what happens?n > >c > > Jim2 > >4 > >4 > >4 >@ >i   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:19:06 +0100 (MET)y9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>v$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe; Message-ID: <01KL7T2QIQ4W96Z9MP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>x  - > No, it's executing my login.com, like this:i > ( > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.comC > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of SYS$PRINT has been superseded  > $ sho sys/noprocF > OpenVMS V7.2-1H1  on node ETAA34  12-AUG-2002 06:56:12.50  Uptime  1
 > 10:31:01  K > > Not sure what it does for you but on VAX/VMS 7.2 it executes like this:  > >d* > > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com > > J > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > >  > > \SYS$INPUT\    Same on 7.3s   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT)l. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>" Subject: TCPIP$LPRSETUP suggestion@ Message-ID: <20020812175802.57604.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>  ) As I had a problem with the queue managerk% last weeked and needed to recreate it $ with the start/que/manager/new, some LPR queues didnt come back.   + I suggest the folloing command to the TCPIP  people at HP/Compaq. Recreate:  0 ************************************************   $ MCR TCPIP$LPRSETUP   TCPIP Printer Setup Programh  / Command  < add delete recreat view help exit >:i  0 ************************************************  0 Instead of delete the queue in the printcap file. just use its parameters to recreate the queue.   Regardse   FC         =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilk fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?& HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:40:49 -0700t. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> Subject: Trivia questions-F Message-ID: <OF3CDBED89.B8FC07ED-ON07256C13.00507ED7@rsc.raytheon.com>   Folks:  H I looked around a little for the answers but didn't get a hint.  Can you help?w   Year the KO retired?   Year the Compaq bought DEC?.   dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:29:44 -0400o* From: "Stewart, Bill" <wjs-corp@Kaman.com> Subject: RE: Trivia questionse< Message-ID: <1E4B06029E11D211B47C0000F8207F4D01B9F2F7@ESKC2>   1992 and 1998...   Bill   ->-----Original Message-----5 ->From: David D Miller [mailto:ddmiller@raytheon.com]a( ->Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:41 AM ->To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com' ->Subject: Trivia questionsf -> -> ->Folks: ->< ->I looked around a little for the answers but didn't get a  ->hint.  Can you ->help?l -> ->Year the KO retired? -> ->Year the Compaq bought DEC?o -> ->dave -> ->   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 12:28:19 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)d Subject: Re: uaf3 Message-ID: <MJw5jGvVLHQ8@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  \ In article <877kj0m56j.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:+ > Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:- > J >> In article <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FFCBD6F1@exchsvr.FSC.COM.FJ>,+ >>  A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote:j >  R& >> > both node use the same rightslist >   = >> And you're absolutely and totally certain, having actuallyiE >> inspected, that both nodes are definitely using the same UAF file? , >> The file names wouldn't happen to both be> >> SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE]SYSUAF.DAT;1 or some such, would they? > H > I am suss of this as well. If the disk with sysuaf is not mounted whenH > the security server is started, what happens? Or if the SYSUAF file isF > not accessable for some reason. Does it wait for the file to appear?% > Or does it fall back to sys$system?  > , > Do a $SHOW DEV $1$DKB0:/FILE/OUT=FOO.lis  % > $SHOW DEV $1$DKA0:/FILE/OUT=FOO.lis M > $SHOW DEV $1$DKC0:/FILE/OUT=FOO.lis (or what ever your system disks are...)o > + > then $SEARCH sysuaf foo.lis on each node.r >   
 	My idea too.   ; 	You know... following this thread... I almost responded onsA 	several occasions.  This has to fall into the top 5 most painful > 	collective trouble-shooting fun-fests I have seen in 15 or so> 	years of cov.  We do miss Carl.  He would have forced this to 	conclusion over a week ago. *   				Rob     D * Not that only Carl could do it.  But he was a stickler for lack ofJ information and would have forced more to be forthcoming and/or the targetG would slink away.  Something I go through continuously with end-"users"  (Example:  "I can't connect.")   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:52:25 -0400t* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>2 Subject: RE: VAXstation 3100/76, 4000/VLC Desired?- Message-ID: <0033000076305242000002L022*@MHS>c  / =0AIf you get responses, you can also tell them8& that the manuals are available online.  5 http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/intro/DOC-i.htmle   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETc% Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:13 PMuB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET. Subject: VAXstation 3100/76, 4000/VLC Desired?    
 Greetings.  H I may have an opportunity to grab a small number of VAXstation 3100/76 = andkH 4000/VLC boxes.  I would have to pay for them, but probably not too muc= h.  IsH am under orders from my wife not to acquire any more computers, but may= be IF can help them find good homes elsewhere.  They are located in southern California.t  F Any interest in these things (my local DEC dealer was NOT interested)?   Jeff.n  6 P.S.  There are no "x" characters in my email address. -- Jeff Shirley buckyx@mindspring.comOH "Bill Gates is filthy rich, but that doesn't mean I want to be married =	 to him."=r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 04:15:23 -0400r  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>7 Subject: Re: VMS Hobbyist User Guide: table of contentsb6 Message-ID: <1020812035636.35213A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  * On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Didier Morandi wrote:  L > Well, after all this idea may be a good idea, so here is a RFC for the VMS > Hobbyist User Guide. >  > Current sources are: >  > 1. OPENVMS FAQ entry VMS9  >   orG >   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_001.html#index_x_22a >  > 2. www.montagar.com)( > 3. http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/ >  >  > A table of contents could be:n >  > get a VAX or an ALPHAi > purchase the Hobbyist CD) > register (free) VMS licence at Montagar 
 > install VMSo > install TCP/IP: > get connected to the Internet (via cable if possible :-)# > install required layered productsu > register products at Montagara > play.n >  >  > Additions? Comments? > ! > Thank you for the ones to come.r > D.  8 Does "register products at Montagar" mean "obtain the LP7 licenses from Montagar"?  If so, this should be done at"5 the same time you get the VMS license, and all neededo3 licenses should be registered before installing anyr9 layered products.  (Most VAX LP's let you install without 3 license, but most Alpha LP's require the license beo9 installed first.  In either case, no license will usuallye cause the IVP to fail.)   6 I think layered products license issues are the single6 biggest problem people have with the hobbyist program.5 at least judging by the traffic in c.o.v.  Usually itd4 seems to be a problem that people don't realize they7 have to download the LP licenses *in addition to* a VMSe license for their platform.   3 Also, it seems like you need a VMS license for eachg5 system (but I only have one VAX and one Alpha, so I'mo5 not sure of this), but a single set of LP licenses ise9 all you need or can get for all of them.  My VAX licensesu7 run out in October.  When I got my Alpha in the spring,=5 the Montagar site gave me a new AlphaVMS license, but 3 wouldn't give me a new set of LP licenses, since myc4 old set hadn't expired yet.  I loaded the VAX set on8 my Alpha with no problems, and this October I'm planning0 to get a new VAX VMS license and a new set of LP5 licenses and install the LP licenses on both systems.m  6 I think this should be spelled out more clearly on the1 web site, or in this proposed Hobbyist User Guide.  (which I think is a great idea.)   -----h  6 I have loaded all the licenses on my systems, even for8 products I have no intention of using.  It's easier just6 to save the email into a .COM file, remove the non-DCL5 at the beginning and end, and execute it.  In theory,o: paring down the licenses to only what is needed would make9 the license manager more efficient, but I haven't noticede: any license check slowness even on a MicroVAX 3600.  Maybe+ on an MV-II, it would be worth the trouble.t  8 I do keep the command file around, and when the licenses4 expire after a year, I mung it to disable and remove: all the licenses instead of adding them.  (After obtaining6 a new set of licenses from Montagar, of course.)  Same) with the ASAP/CSA/HP??? licenses at work.    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:27:37 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t7 Subject: Re: VMS Hobbyist User Guide: table of contentsr; Message-ID: <01KL7VERB7O29LVCGS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a   > install TCP/IP: > get connected to the Internet (via cable if possible :-)  H Some folks might have their first internet connection through their VMS F box.  Those needs might also differ from those of a typical PC user.  E What is the "best" option can vary from country to country.  So, the mF TCP/IP stuff should be broken down by region and include step-by-step E instructions for running a VMS box behind a "normal" DSL connection, e5 with and without an externally visible DNS name.  :-)8   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:22:12 -0400g# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>i! Subject: RE: XML-RPC for OpenVMS?a: Message-ID: <OPEPIPEJGHNICIJKJFEAKEIOFAAA.dallen@nist.gov>  1 	Better add IBM to that list - they are as big or  	bigger in the SOAP arena.   > -----Original Message-----* > From: Andy [mailto:acs@fcgnet.works.net]( > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:51 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn# > Subject: Re: XML-RPC for OpenVMS?3 >  > 9 > daniel@mimer.se (Daniel Gustafsson) enlightened us withs8 > news:de4cfd03.0208101015.6fd4d288@posting.google.com:  > B > > You have probably already seen this, but SOAP is available for > > VMS at: E > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/soap/soap.html  > > A > > SOAP is not exactly the same as XML-RPC, but is a similar andl > > common approach. V >  o > B > Most likely because SOAP started out as XML-RPC. Somewhere thereB > is an explanation of how XML-RPC grew "up" to become SOAP but I  > can't find it right now....  > D > SOAP is a result of what happens when you take XML-RPC + Microsoft > + a W3C committee. t > * > A comparison of the two can be found at: > 9 > http://weblog.masukomi.org/writings/xml-rpc_vs_soap.htmt >  > -ANdy- >  >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.442 ************************