1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 13 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 443       Contents:D Re: %WWW-F-MONTAGAR, not responding, Hobbyist layered license expiryK Announcement: CSWS 1.3 and CSWS_PHP 1.1 beta kits (note concerning OpenSSL) ; Announcment LDAP Directory Synchronizer Utility (LDSU) V2.0 C Re: Arithmetic Data Corruption - Compaq TCP/IP Services 5.3 and NFS  Re: Comment to Sue DCL question Re: DCL question Re: DCL question Re: DCL question Re: F&A?? Was VAX Hardware ID  FTP 'net to PC to VMS  Re: FTP 'net to PC to VMS  Re: FTP 'net to PC to VMS 3 Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines. ) Re: Help with vax3200 (Maximun disk size)  Re: Hobbyist License Question  Re: Hobbyist VAX Distro ? Re: HP's pulling of Compaq call-center contract puzzles Broward L Re: Incompatible Webdesign(er) (was: Second KLEZ from ATTBI Today - TROLL !) Job on comp.jobs.contract  Re: Job on comp.jobs.contract  Re: Job on comp.jobs.contract  Re: Job on comp.jobs.contract  Re: Job on comp.jobs.contract  Re: Job on comp.jobs.contract  Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup  Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup  Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup  Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup  Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup  Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup ' Re: List of ASC/ASCQ codes for TL891/2? . November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMS2 Re: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMS Re: OPCOM log file Re: Open VMS on XP1000 OpenVMS 7.3-1 Doc set posted  Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Doc set posted  Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Doc set posted Re: OpenVMS printers, RDB Internals course - last ones of the year Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed  Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed  Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed  Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed  Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed  Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed  Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed  Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed  Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed 0 Single names in email addresses - was KLEZ moans Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: Stupid ways to use pipe  Re: test, ignore Re: Trivia questions Re: Trivia questions Re: Trivia questions Re: uaf  Re: uaf  VMS Backup solutions on a SAN ! Re: VMS Backup solutions on a SAN ! Re: VMS Backup solutions on a SAN . Re: VMS Hobbyist User Guide: table of contents. Re: VMS Hobbyist User Guide: table of contents2 Re: VMSINSTAL exiting silently after LINK warnings Re: VMSMAIL_PROFILE clean up Re: VMSMAIL_PROFILE clean up  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 02 20:02:54 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) M Subject: Re: %WWW-F-MONTAGAR, not responding, Hobbyist layered license expiry ) Message-ID: <JbBvqnw5zT6L@elias.decus.ch>   W In article <3D56206E.58EB7133@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes:  > Mornin' everyone,  > < > Who knows when our beloved hobbyist site will be up again? >  > D. > E > (soon to come, the book: "Becoming a VMS Hobbyist, a war story" :-)   7 :-) My Hobbyist layered licenses expired on 2-Aug-2002.   K I was caught out when I attempted a reboot. A couple of points for Hobbyist * users faced with expired Layered licenses:  + VAXCLUSTER license (this is on Alpha V7.3):   G There is a check in the startup for the VAXCLUSTER SYSGEN parameter. If L non-zero and there is no valid VAXCLUSTER license, it simply closes down theK system. Fortunately the error message was still on the console after it did  this.   I The expiry of the OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER license also restricts the number of L logins, so it won't let me login in over my network (at least when I am alsoH logged in at at the console - I haven't tried when not logged in there).  L At the moment I am running with the date set back to July. Not ideal, but atL least I can get stuff done.                                                    __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:19:45 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> T Subject: Announcement: CSWS 1.3 and CSWS_PHP 1.1 beta kits (note concerning OpenSSL)* Message-ID: <aj959r$r01$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Dear Newsgroup, + As you can see I am now back from vacation. 
 Warm Regards,  Sue ) _________________________________________   L (This announcement corrects the OpenSSL version information contained in theI previous announcement. There is also a note concerning the recent OpenSSL  CERT adbvisory.)  J CSWS 1.3 and CSWS_PHP 1.1 beta kits for: CSWS 1.3 (Apache/mod_ssl/OpenSSL) CSWS_PHP 1.1 (PHP/mod_php)    = were announced August 7, 2002 and are available for download.     7 CSWS 1.3 is based on Apache 1.3.26, mod_ssl 2.8.10, and    OpenSSL 0.96b*.     
 New Features:      - Apache 1.3.26 code base    - mod_dav (webDAV)   - suEXEC   - mod_auth_openvms enhancements    - Bug-fixes   J *The final kit will contain security patches for OpenSSL 0.9.6b to addressK CERT advisory (CA-2002-23). CSWS_PHP 1.1 is based on PHP 4.1.1 and contains D several new PHP extensions, including ODBC and OCI (Oracle) database connectors.   7 Minimum operating system requirement is: OpenVMS 7.2-2.   
 Rick Barry  = Hewlett Packard Company Compaq Secure Web Server Project Team   1 110 Spit Brook Road OpenVMS System Software Group   / Nashua, NH 03062 Business Critical Server Group    (603) 884-0634   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:22:50 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> D Subject: Announcment LDAP Directory Synchronizer Utility (LDSU) V2.0* Message-ID: <aj95ev$r3f$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  I HP Services Consulting and Integration is pleased to announce the release  of:   / LDAP Directory Synchronizer Utility (LDSU) V2.0   K LDSU V2.0 contains many new features, some of which were added to synch the & internal HP/Compaq systems, including:   * Support iPlanet Change Log   * HP-UX Support   + * UTF-8 Encoding for all UNICODE characters   K * Add Post Transaction RDF to run a script after a transaction occurs (e.g. & to set a password in Active Directory)  ! * Add LOCAL LDSU Layout variables   B * Add Match Field for allow LDSU to Modify a DN instead of doing a
 Delete/Add  5 * Usability Improvements to web-based forms interface   G See the V2.0 Release Notes for more details under the internal web site  below.  E The LDSU software provides a central, flexible, lightweight method to D synchronize LDAP directories with all other data sources (other LDAPL directories or non-LDAP data sources via text files). LDSU is an LDAP clientE which runs on one machine on your network (Windows 2000/NT/XP, Tru64, I OpenVMS, Linux, Solaris, or HP-UX) and synchronizes the data the way your E customer wants. It does not come with its own directory but, instead, " synchronizes existing directories.   LDSU fills a void between   3 * Complex, high maintenance Meta Directory Services   . * Simple, inflexible Single Purpose Connectors  < * Time-consuming, risky Do It Yourself Programming/Scripting  B LDSU was first used to synchronize the Compaq and Digital ExchangeF Directories in 1998 and has since been sold to over 60 customers in 14I countries. It is also now being used to synchronize the pre-merger HP and K Compaq Directories. LDSU was based on previous products (XDSU and DSU) and, @ therefore, shares a long and rich history of providing directoryJ synchronization solutions. LDSU also provides powerful loading, reporting,+ and update procedures for LDAP Directories.   J LDSU is very easy to install. On Windows, for example, it can be installedF on any machine in seconds - the software kit is about 1MB and containsL complete online documentation that can be viewed without a license file. (ItE is also very easy to completely remove - everything is under one root G directory). LDSU Support is also happy to help you get started quickly.   H For more information, pricing, download, documentation, and how to get a  free temporary license file see:  ? External: http://www.compaq.com/services/messaging/mg_ldap.html    Regards,  
 Warren Cooley    LDSU Support   HP Services    01.301.918.5665    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 02:10:38 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>L Subject: Re: Arithmetic Data Corruption - Compaq TCP/IP Services 5.3 and NFS- Message-ID: <87k7mwgd7l.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , James Cameron <james.cameron@hp.com> writes:  E > All layered product ECOs are unrated.  That's a policy set above us @ > outside the CSC.  If you vehemently disagree with this policy,B > please lodge a complaint so that we can escalate a change to the
 > process.  C As the `owner' over the years of several class 1 SPRs, then you can C pass on to who ever made that change that he is a ....... ......... ? Mind, this one has a certain elegance that most of them lacked.   C > On the other hand, we have made it a strong recommendation on our E > main page: <http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/> We also made sure it 1 > was mentioned at the DECUS Symposium in Sydney.   A Yep, you guys did well there from what I've heard. Thanks for the  effort and time everone put in.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:32:14 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>  Subject: Re: Comment to Sue - Message-ID: <OaT59.72531$nF5.18342@sccrnsc02>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D56AB14.BFACB7D2@videotron.ca...J > Got a few folded postscards recently from HP. Didn't bother opening themI > because I didn't see "VMS" mentioned outside so I assumed they were for  wintel, > presentation in which I am not interested.  1 Quel dommage. They contained dividend checks. ;-}    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:36:35 -0400 * From: Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net> Subject: DCL question 8 Message-ID: <20020812173635.A383319@marvin.4amlunch.net>  N i'm trying to connect to a remote host using tcp.  i can setup a connection toM the machine with TELNET/CREATE_NTY and WRITE to it with no problems, however, 4 i see to be having a LOT of trouble READing from it.   any suggestions?   -brian --  - "There are 10 types of people in the world... 2 Those who understand binary, and those who don't."   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:20:10 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: DCL question ' Message-ID: <3D5863B2.3C655CC6@fsi.net>    Brian Hechinger wrote: > P > i'm trying to connect to a remote host using tcp.  i can setup a connection toO > the machine with TELNET/CREATE_NTY and WRITE to it with no problems, however, 6 > i see to be having a LOT of trouble READing from it. >  > any suggestions?  ' 'Fraid you'll have to be more specific.   A Can you post some code samples and the results of executing them?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:34:46 -0400 * From: Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net> Subject: Re: DCL question 8 Message-ID: <20020812213446.G383319@marvin.4amlunch.net>  B On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 01:20:10AM +0000, David J. Dachtera wrote: > ) > 'Fraid you'll have to be more specific.  > C > Can you post some code samples and the results of executing them?    sure thing i can:   5 i use netcat to open a port on zaphod, a Solaris box.   B $ TELNET /PORT=9987 /CREATE_NTY=(PERMANENT,NAME=TCP_SOCKET) ZAPHOD+ $ OPEN/READ/WRITE TCP_CONNECTION TCP_SOCKET   	 i can do:    $ WRITE TCP_CONNECTION "test"   2 and get 'test' showing up on the solaris box, but:  ) $ READ/PROMPT="" TCP_CONNECTION TEMP$LINE   L hangs, it completely ignores Ctrl/Y, and the only way to stop it is to do so7 the hard way, or to kill the copy of netcat on the sun.    -brian --   she manipulates my language			| ) the scion of a cunning goddess			| Fridge   and i *am* but a MAN				| Magnet) watching my gratuitous torment			| Poetry  not looking herculean				|   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:37:43 +0200 , From: "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net> Subject: Re: DCL question 6 Message-ID: <aja5s6$19q374$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>  = "Brian Hechinger" <wonko@4amlunch.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 2 news:20020812213446.G383319@marvin.4amlunch.net...+ > $ READ/PROMPT="" TCP_CONNECTION TEMP$LINE   K What do you expect to come from Solaris ? Is there something sending to you  ?   K > hangs, it completely ignores Ctrl/Y, and the only way to stop it is to do  so  & I would try to use /TIMEOUT with READ.  G Btw., what kind of TCPIP has /CREATE_NTY ? I only know /CREATE_SESSION.    -- Regards, Rainer Giese   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2002 18:52:16 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: F&A?? Was VAX Hardware ID* Message-ID: <aj9050$p5m$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  _ In article <87eldg6iq1.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: % :"Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:  : F :> A "B" license is not very common, which is probably the reason that' :> Bob Supnik got the 3900's microcode.  : 9 :> > Type: B, Units Required: 100    (VAX/VMS F&A Server)  : & :OK, what the F&A is an `F&A Server' ?    6   From the OpenVMS Software Product Description (SPD):   	--    ..4 4. File and Application Server License (QL-001A*-**)  D This type of license provides for the noninteractive use of OpenVMS.  D OpenVMS based VAXserver systems are sold with a File and ApplicationC Server License. The intent of an OpenVMS based VAXserver is to pro- G vide file, print, application, and compute services to clients who have F submitted their requests remotely (for example via network/remote sub-D mit/batch jobs, and so forth). This license type also allows one di-/ rect login for system management purposes only.   E Additional interactive use of OpenVMS VAXserver systems licensed with C the File and Application Server License requires the addition of an C OpenVMS User License* (for one or more users). Refer to the section 0 on Ordering Information for further information.C These licenses grant the right to use the same version of the oper- G ating system software as permitted for the corresponding Operating Sys- @ tem Base License at the time when the User License is installed. .. 	--     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:05:20 +0100 ( From: Mr Beermat <beermat.geo@yahoo.com> Subject: FTP 'net to PC to VMS8 Message-ID: <3sbgluooesmj71bnqsoijsmb40klbvv6sq@4ax.com>  E I'm trying to get the VXT MOP downloadable software from the Freeware E VMS CD (http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/vxt/) to my C MicroVAX3100 running OpenVMS VAX 7.2 (hobbyist) with TCPIP, but I'm ? having problems with the file attributes (bad record size etc). E meaning that when I try a VMSINSTAL, it complains of CRC errors etc.  D I tried a "set file /att:LRL:2048" and also a 9000 byte record size, but still get the CRC errors.   D I'm trying the .ZIP file that's in that dir & hoping that will unzip/ on my VMS system with the right file attributes   E Are there any rules or techniques for FTPing files across with PCs in E the middle that I can reliably use, or must one always .ZIP (or other F compression tool) save_sets etc up before transferring them across the  'net through PCs and onto VAXen?   greg   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:15:27 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> " Subject: Re: FTP 'net to PC to VMS' Message-ID: <3D58337F.9F5DA48D@aaa.com>   4 If you want an esay living, always ZIP your files on8 the source VMS system using a ZIP version that preserves6 the VMS file attribs, then move the ZIP file around as4 much as you want, and you'll be able to UNZIP on the( target VMS systems without any problems.  = Never UNZIP on some intermeediate system, such as on some PC.n  9 Most problems can be solved by SET FILE/ATRRIB=(...), buti= the actual figures differs from file to file and if it's somea/ unknown file type it just wild guessing anyway.e   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Mr Beermat wrote:s > G > I'm trying to get the VXT MOP downloadable software from the Freeware G > VMS CD (http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/vxt/) to myaE > MicroVAX3100 running OpenVMS VAX 7.2 (hobbyist) with TCPIP, but I'msA > having problems with the file attributes (bad record size etc). F > meaning that when I try a VMSINSTAL, it complains of CRC errors etc.F > I tried a "set file /att:LRL:2048" and also a 9000 byte record size, > but still get the CRC errors.o > F > I'm trying the .ZIP file that's in that dir & hoping that will unzip1 > on my VMS system with the right file attributeso > G > Are there any rules or techniques for FTPing files across with PCs inuG > the middle that I can reliably use, or must one always .ZIP (or otherOH > compression tool) save_sets etc up before transferring them across the" > 'net through PCs and onto VAXen? >  > greg   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:30:26 GMTo1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e" Subject: Re: FTP 'net to PC to VMS' Message-ID: <3D586617.6339D98C@fsi.net>    Mr Beermat wrote:  > G > I'm trying to get the VXT MOP downloadable software from the Freeware G > VMS CD (http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/vxt/) to mywE > MicroVAX3100 running OpenVMS VAX 7.2 (hobbyist) with TCPIP, but I'm A > having problems with the file attributes (bad record size etc).pF > meaning that when I try a VMSINSTAL, it complains of CRC errors etc.F > I tried a "set file /att:LRL:2048" and also a 9000 byte record size, > but still get the CRC errors.v  # LRL is meaningless without RFM=FIX:   + $ SET FILE/ATTR=(RFM=FIX,LRL=xxxx) filespecp  8 Note that you may need to start with an LRL of 2048, useD BACKUP/LIST/NOASSIST to display the saveset info and get the correctB value for the blocksize, then repeat the SET FILE command with theC correct value for LRL. Then, BACKUP and/or VMSINSTAL should do just  fine.   F > I'm trying the .ZIP file that's in that dir & hoping that will unzip1 > on my VMS system with the right file attributes4   You should get good results.  G > Are there any rules or techniques for FTPing files across with PCs inlG > the middle that I can reliably use, or must one always .ZIP (or otheraH > compression tool) save_sets etc up before transferring them across the" > 'net through PCs and onto VAXen?  E The rule is to put RMS files into .ZIP archives which are a "platform F transparent" format (stream, binary). Remember to the the /VMS or "-V"G ZIP command qualifiers (in the latter case, the quotes are REQUIRED dueaB to a "feature" of the C-RTL (for ANSI compliance, not because it's
 "right")).  E To retain version numbers, you must also include /KEEP_VERSION or -w.V  H To restore version numbers (only possible if they were saved in the .ZIP6 archive), use the /VERSION qualifier or "-V" of UNZIP.   See:+ http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/zipunzip/ 0 http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/zipunzip.html   -- s David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Aug 2002 01:04:32 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)< Subject: Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines.* Message-ID: <aj9lv0$1dm$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  L In article <ulbeu19femnqa5@corp.supernews.com>, sword7@speakeasy.org writes:  K :Someone asked me about graphics adaptor for my TS10/VAX emulator.  I only sH :have a copy of VCB02 tech manual that provides graphics programming at L :registers level.  Will VCB02 work on VAXserver 3900 machine (KA655 or CVAX D :chip)?  I know that VCB01/VCB02 is designed for MicroVAX II series.< :If not, what graphics adaptor do that KA655 series support?  F   The VCB02 (also known as the GPX and the "dragon") controller is theD   usual controller for the Q-bus series, while the VCB01 (also knownJ   as the QVSS) controller was used on the earlier members of the series.    F   Support for VCB01 was not available on the later of the Q-bus seriesH   processors, starting circa KA650, and with VAXstation 3200, VAXstationG   3500, and later systems.   The VCB01 is thus only typically found on  J   the VAXstation I series and on the monochrome variants in the VAXstation   II series.  G   AFAIK, most of the VAX 4000 series could also operate with the VCB02,eJ   though the faster systems required the VCB02 was up to current revision.I   Starting around the KA650 series, you had to have your VCB02 at current F   rev, lest you see various odd bus lock-ups.  (The faster processors F   could easily push the Q-bus faster than the earlier VCB02 revisions    had expected.)  E   The VCB03 was found only in the VAXstation 3520 and VAXstation 3540f?   series.  These are the two members of the Firefox series SMP  D   multiprocessor workstations, and these use the M-bus backplane forG   the connection to the graphics controller.  The internal organizationcD   of these Firefox systems is quite different from that of all otherF   Q-bus systems, including the similarly-named VAXstation 3500 series.  D   I would target the VCB02, and not the VCB01.  I would only target B   the VCB03 if you plan on providing a fully-capable SMP emulator.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2002 19:54:25 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: Help with vax3200 (Maximun disk size)* Message-ID: <aj93ph$p5m$5@web1.cup.hp.com>  M In article <udiGQtIPCHA.1888@cpimsnntpa03>, "cmiink" <cmiink@msn.com> writes:lL :Sorry if this plea for help is off subject for this news group but I need a :quick answer.    J   Please learn about and please read the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ).J   Why?  Because the OpenVMS FAQ can be the fastest way to get your answer,H   and particularly an answer to most of the, um, urgent pleas for quick +   answers to commonly-asked questions.  :-)   6 :What is the limit of store (size) with a vax3200 with@ :VMS 5.3 OS?  I need to increase the Seagate 1.0Gbyte (Hawk 2XL)H :to the maximum allowed.   Also is there a larger replacement drive that" :will work with this system conf.?  @   There is no such system as a "VAX3200", and I will assume that=   this is involving the VAXstation 3200 series.  Please do bei=   careful here, as there are a number of systems with similar ?   names -- abbreviating system model names can and does lead toc5   confusion and even to answering the wrong question.S  A   The FAQ has specifics on the supported disk size -- you will becB   limited by your use of the released-in-1990 V5.3 release and by ?   the Q-bus bus hardware present on the VAXstation 3200 series.U  B   If you wish to continue the discussion, we need to know exactly C   what I/O controller(s) you have installed in this VAXstation 3200iF   series system.  (I don't immediately recall the Seagate Hawk series,.   so I don't know what the I/O connection is.)  E   Newer (new or used) Alpha or VAX equipment may well be the best andtG   easiest approach here, given the vintage of, the performance of, and aE   particularly given the I/O expansion of the VAXstation 3200 series. D   (Getting and configuring and operating Q-bus controllers is, well,C   involved.  If you are asking these questions -- and no offense is8G   here intended -- you probably don't want to try a route that involves8G   reconfiguring the Q-bus.  I *know* how to do that, and I really don't !   want to go down that route. :-)v  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2002 19:04:28 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: Hobbyist License Question* Message-ID: <aj90rs$p5m$2@web1.cup.hp.com>  ~ In article <Pine.LNX.4.30.0208042241590.12114-100000@Linux.monceaux.com>, Kevin Monceaux <OwnedByDogs@ClearSource.net> writes: :.D :I'm trying to explore the various layered products available to theK :OpenVMS hobbyist.  There was a license included in my hobbyist license PAK J :for FMS.  I've tried installing FMS.  The installation failed saying thatE :there wasn't a license registered for FMS.  I've listed my installed I :license PAKs.  FMS is listed.  I'm running OpenVMS VAX version 7.2.  The K :layered products set I have is from June 1999(found on eBay).  What is theo :FMS license for?s    F   Please read the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for details2   on how to troubleshoot license-related problems.  E   Also see the FAQ for information on the details required -- I'd not9D   expect the installation to fail with a licensing error, unless theE   installer indicated "no" to the prompt.  The FAQ will indicate thateD   we need specific error text and specific input -- without this, weE   can only guess as to the potential problem(s), and the source(s) of    same.   D   Most installation kits ask, but do not enforce the presense of theG   license Product Authorization Key (PAK).  That said, the installation1G   kits can and often do include an Installation Verification Procedure uF   (IVP), and this IVP can and often will fail if one or more required F   PAKs are not registered and loaded when the IVP is run.  IVP failureG   does not, however, mean you have to reinstall the product -- you must 6   register and load the required license PAK, however.  E   But again, for details on troubleshooting license PAK failures (andyF   for the answers to many other common questions), please see the FAQ.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 01:47:27 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX Distro- Message-ID: <87sn1kgea8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>f  3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:o  @ > If you're suggesting a multi-CD distro., I agree. You can only' > squeeze so much onto a CD, of course.a  B Debian 3.0 for x86 is 8 CDs now... $25AUD from LSL or there about.   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 02:16:03 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>H Subject: Re: HP's pulling of Compaq call-center contract puzzles Broward- Message-ID: <87fzxkgcyk.fsf@prep.synonet.com>T  4 Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:  F > As I recall, Broward County was one of many counties in Florida that8 > ended up "voting" for unbridled capitalism way back inA > 2000. (Whether the people actually voted that way or not is, ofo  > course, a different question.)  fB > County officials shouldn't complain now when they find HP simply@ > exercising the very principles the county officials supported.  	D > If the trend is unchecked, *ALL* of our jobs are likely to move to > Bangalore and similar places.-  F Well, the latest twist to this, is HP have just landed a contract fromB the billygoat for all of the support work for the borgworks.  So I, wonder if that will end up offshore as well.  A I know a couple of people here who are pissed off with M$ because2C there is no .au support, even though on specific enquiry they whereCB told that there was. Now they have to wait at least till the reply% from (currently) the US the next day.   % What was it about interesting times? d   -- l< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.I@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 02 20:13:08 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)rU Subject: Re: Incompatible Webdesign(er) (was: Second KLEZ from ATTBI Today - TROLL !)@) Message-ID: <myPjOlMbCojU@elias.decus.ch>o  \ In article <aj7u94.1ec.1@jo.dyndns.org>, Franz-Josef Fornefeld <jo.fornefeld@gmx.de> writes: > Paul Sture wrote:e > + >> [...] I have found more than a few sitesaE >> which tell me I have an incompatible browser even when using MSIE.  > 4 > Oh yeah. Those people don't want to sell to me ...  E And then they complain their internet operations are losing money ...i  O I have recently discovered another class of offenders; those who will only takea* payment via credit card over the internet.   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:54:56 GMTw From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net>s" Subject: Job on comp.jobs.contract2 Message-ID: <87fzxkvtug.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  @ There's a job posting on comp.jobs.contract for a VMS programmerF that's at least 2 months old. This is starting to get embarrassing forD this VMS stalwart. The length of time this posting's been unansweredJ seems designed to refine that annoying DAG: VMS talent is hard to find; we, have to move off VMS; one less VMS customer.  A I've contacted the poster, but by the time the agency takes their D discount, there's no money in the proposition. Isn't there anyone inB the Philly area (I'm in Tucson) that can answer this job, or is it( such a dog that no-one wants to respond?     Quizically,i   jec<   -- > Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:37:40 -0400p& From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@rcn.com>& Subject: Re: Job on comp.jobs.contract< Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020812143517.0399f5e8@pop.rcn.com>  , At 05:54 PM 8/12/2002 +0000, sasadmin wrote:  A >There's a job posting on comp.jobs.contract for a VMS programmermG >that's at least 2 months old. This is starting to get embarrassing for3E >this VMS stalwart. The length of time this posting's been unanswered K >seems designed to refine that annoying DAG: VMS talent is hard to find; wea- >have to move off VMS; one less VMS customer.X  D Since my newserver doesn't carry that group, I looked on Google for N it.  Can you send me a private email with the post? What are they looking for?   I'm about an hour from philly..r   Ken Robinson kenrbnsn1@rcn.comt   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:47:09 GMTs From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGt& Subject: Re: Job on comp.jobs.contract0 Message-ID: <00A12597.99578CFB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <87fzxkvtug.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>, sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes: >aA >There's a job posting on comp.jobs.contract for a VMS programmeroG >that's at least 2 months old. This is starting to get embarrassing forhE >this VMS stalwart. The length of time this posting's been unanswered K >seems designed to refine that annoying DAG: VMS talent is hard to find; we - >have to move off VMS; one less VMS customer.V > B >I've contacted the poster, but by the time the agency takes theirE >discount, there's no money in the proposition. Isn't there anyone in C >the Philly area (I'm in Tucson) that can answer this job, or is its) >such a dog that no-one wants to respond?N >  >t >Quizically, >s >jec >o >--  >Microsoft Free By 2003     K Most recent VMS + Philadelphia area contract offering in comp.jobs.contract 7 -- at least according to google.com -- was 17 May 1999.s   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             d5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:49:21 GMTw From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net>w& Subject: Re: Job on comp.jobs.contract2 Message-ID: <87bs87wryo.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  ! sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes:b  B > There's a job posting on comp.jobs.contract for a VMS programmerH > that's at least 2 months old. This is starting to get embarrassing forF > this VMS stalwart. The length of time this posting's been unansweredL > seems designed to refine that annoying DAG: VMS talent is hard to find; we. > have to move off VMS; one less VMS customer. > C > I've contacted the poster, but by the time the agency takes their F > discount, there's no money in the proposition. Isn't there anyone inD > the Philly area (I'm in Tucson) that can answer this job, or is it* > such a dog that no-one wants to respond? >  > 
 > Quizically,- >  > jec- >  > -- e > Microsoft Free By 2003   Hi:   @ I know there was at least one poster who asked for this info viaA private mail. However, after fat-fingering the "exit" and markingB+ posts as read, I lost the reply to address.X  % So, here is the url at jobcircle.com:w= http://www.jobcircle.com/classifieds/119437.html?qs=vms%2Cvos5  F I don't know why Google couldn't find the job, and I don't really know, how to find the url for a newsgroup posting.   Happy hunting,   jecz   -- p Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 20:19:38 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)z& Subject: Re: Job on comp.jobs.contract3 Message-ID: <oY8OC8J4Hsdq@eisner.encompasserve.org>T  T In article <87bs87wryo.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>, sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes:# > sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes:h > C >> There's a job posting on comp.jobs.contract for a VMS programmert  >> that's at least 2 months old.  ' > So, here is the url at jobcircle.com:N? > http://www.jobcircle.com/classifieds/119437.html?qs=vms%2Cvos   J My guess would be that a lot of would-be applicants prefer to work on VMS.J You will find these from time to time -- employers looking for people withK strong VMS experience to work on other operating systems, in this case VOS.u   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 21:52:06 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) & Subject: Re: Job on comp.jobs.contract3 Message-ID: <HdnWdMLX$hKr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <87bs87wryo.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>, sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes:# > sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> writes:a > C >> There's a job posting on comp.jobs.contract for a VMS programmeroI >> that's at least 2 months old. This is starting to get embarrassing forsG >> this VMS stalwart. The length of time this posting's been unansweredpM >> seems designed to refine that annoying DAG: VMS talent is hard to find; we / >> have to move off VMS; one less VMS customer./ >> rD >> I've contacted the poster, but by the time the agency takes theirG >> discount, there's no money in the proposition. Isn't there anyone iniE >> the Philly area (I'm in Tucson) that can answer this job, or is it-+ >> such a dog that no-one wants to respond?2 >> 1 >> 2 >> Quizically, >> d >> jec >> n >> --  >> Microsoft Free By 2003G >  > Hi:p > B > I know there was at least one poster who asked for this info viaC > private mail. However, after fat-fingering the "exit" and markingk- > posts as read, I lost the reply to address.p > ' > So, here is the url at jobcircle.com:y? > http://www.jobcircle.com/classifieds/119437.html?qs=vms%2Cvosr > H > I don't know why Google couldn't find the job, and I don't really know. > how to find the url for a newsgroup posting. >   B 	That job has been posted for several years (with little variationB 	in the format).  Here are several other views of that same "job":  0 http://www.dice.com/DandL/r/rkts.rk_Stratus.html3 http://www.dice.com/DandL/r/rkts.rk_Sr_stratus.htmle/ http://www.dice.com/DandL/1/10105771.357-I.html - http://www.dice.com/DandL/m/modpa001.086.html . http://www.dice.com/DandL/d/drexel.EH2786.html8 http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cybercod.Real_Time_Apps.html  A 	Go to dice.com and search: vms stratus.  The story is not worth a7 	repeating in this forum as it comes to me second hand.c  B 	But trust me, you could have found that same listing 2, 3 or more* 	years ago.  Think about that for a while.  B 	Ah... for laughs one other insight.  These recruiters are sneaky.> 	In attempt to disguise the job, they post the listing for theA 	stunning city of Camden, New Jersey.  The listing shows up as NJk> 	and dumb like sheep it looks very attractive at that point to+ 	someone in Yazoo City, MS or Keosauqua IA:   8 http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cybercod.Real_Time_Apps.html   				Robs 	iH "An old Oregon rancher once told me, there are three types of men in theL world.  One type learns from books.  One type learns from observations.  And< one type just has to urinate on the electric fence himself."<                                         -- Carl Barney, 1996   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:24:41 GMT51 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>h" Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup* Message-ID: <J3T59.1371$me6.385@sccrnsc01>   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher, SKHPCu$ Director at Large, Encompass US Inc.6 Director of Technical Marketing, Science Medicus, Inc. terryshannon@attbi.com www.openvms.org- www.sciencemedicus.com9 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in messagen0 news:aj8842$18q72o$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de.../ > In article <6Us59.60014$UU1.10849@sccrnsc03>,a5 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:d > >sJ > > I pretty much have to use a Peecee since that's where I publish. But I will > > check out your advice. > >  >nL > Why does your "publishing" from a peecee have any effect on where you readL > your mail??  Any decent terminal emulator on the peecee would allow you toK > read mail from a safe machine while still allowing your to "publish" with H > your peecee software.  You can even cut and pastre from the email into othero) > peecee documents if you really need to.  >tB > So the question remains, why do you read email in such an unsafe environment?  : Gee, I dunno? Maybe because I don't own a safe enviroment?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:26:22 GMTa1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> " Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup) Message-ID: <h5T59.1387$me6.45@sccrnsc01>a   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher, SKHPCh$ Director at Large, Encompass US Inc.6 Director of Technical Marketing, Science Medicus, Inc. terryshannon@attbi.com www.openvms.orgm www.sciencemedicus.comJ "Jamie Stallwood" <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> wrote in: message news:bucflucvbskpvfmr5fjl9844hlabjmafj1@4ax.com...6 > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:02:35 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"! > <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote:a >p2 > >According to SPAMCOP, the source of the KLEZ is > >o7 > >Spam report id 99738815 sent to: postmaster@3web.nett7 > >Spam report id 99738816 sent to: abuse@cybersurf.net3 > > E > >Still looking for the rope and the tree for the mcuh-deserved slow  hanging. >kA > I don't care, as do most COV readers, if you have a virus. It'sV8 > off-topic and I'm bored of skipping this junk posting.  H Fine. Killfile me. It's not as if you are a subscriber or anyone else of significance to me.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:31:11 GMTb1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>s" Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup- Message-ID: <P9T59.71942$UU1.12396@sccrnsc03>a  J Norton AntiVirus seems to work, too... both on incoming AND outgoing mail.% Beats that McAfee slagware, for sure!    -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher, SKHPC $ Director at Large, Encompass US Inc.6 Director of Technical Marketing, Science Medicus, Inc. terryshannon@attbi.com www.openvms.org- www.sciencemedicus.com/ "John Nebel" <nebel@csdco.com> wrote in message A news:Pine.OSF.4.21.0208111816440.21949-100000@athena.csdco.com...o >cH > PMDF + Sophos stops Klez nicely.  Then use IMAP (or Web Mail) with the, > browser of your choice, reasonably safely. >) > John Nebel >b. > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Terry C. Shannon wrote: >e > >p > >o > > -- > > Terry C. Shannon# > > Consultant and Publisher, SKHPCn( > > Director at Large, Encompass US Inc.: > > Director of Technical Marketing, Science Medicus, Inc. > > terryshannon@attbi.com > > www.openvms.orgb > > www.sciencemedicus.comE > > "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in messageF4 > > news:20020811101106.32289.qmail@nym.alias.net...@ > > > On 11 Aug 2002, P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) wrote:C > > > >"Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message 0 > > > >news:<%Aj59.85439$D36.78308@rwcrnsc53>...8 > > > >> According to SPAMCOP, the source of the KLEZ is > > > >hD > > > >Actually, thinking about this a bit more, I like KLEZ, I like > > > >it a *lot* actually.o > > > > H > > > >It might cause more people to rethink their email """SOLUTION""". > > >tH > > > Realistically, it isn't going to get them off Windows. They're too > > addicted, > > > to the other software that runs on it. > > > G > > > >On another point - I would be perturbed if anyone put anti-viruse software= > > > >on our mail gateway box. I like my email as it stands.o > > > >lL > > > >Any thoughts about how an OpenVMS .exe passing though the AV softwareL > > > >would survive if it contained a pattern that just happened to match a > > > >Window(tm) virus ?i > > >PG > > > You never know, you could end up with an admin who configures ther system > > to, > > > block all files with a .exe extension. > > >IL > > > The installation of AV software on a mail hub just covers up the flaws ofB > > > other systems in the network. Even then, you might not catch everything,tK > > > and the fact that a mail client on one of your systems is dumb enough  toJ > > > run content from an unverified source can cost you a lot of money to cleane	 > > > up.- > > >-K > > > What I would add is that I do not consider it my ISP's responsibility. to8 > > > secure my computer for connection to the Internet. > >o > >nD > >   I feel differently. I pay ATTBI plenty of money AND they habve BRIGHTMAIL,fK > > the older greeware version of which works quite well. Perhaps ATTBI has  it% > > misconfigured. They ain't saying.p > >yH > > > take into account that they may fail. At work that's usually quiteK > > > different, people have the job of making sure it is secure, and stays J > > > secure. That something like Klez can infect corporate networks shows thatL > > > people are failing in this, but so few correctly identify the problem. ItK > > > isn't the people who are writing these things, or the people infected  and = > > > spreading them, it's the damn software on your machine.  > > > K > > > Terry, Outlook Express was a free piece of junk that came with the OS J > > > you're using on that machine. Dump it and look for another solution. If > > thebL > > > risk it put you at has seriously annoyed you then write to M$ and tell > > themJ > > > why you're dumping it. Perhaps Charlie Matco could tell M$ why their0 > > > software sucks (and post it here too). :-) > >sK > > The thought has crossed my mind. I lost 40 hourd work in 100 hours back  when > > I used the 98 virus. > >n > > >nH > > > If you choose to continue using your PC for email and Usenet, then there K > > > have been a few suggestions about a mail client. For news on a PC I'dr4 > > > recommend Xnews, see http://Xnews.newsguy.com. > >tJ > > I pretty much have to use a Peecee since that's where I publish. But I will > > check out your advice. > >t > > Thanks, Doc! > >* > > >  > > >s
 > > > Doc. > > > --< > > > The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. > > > ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum. > > https://vmsbox.cjb.net > >  > >f > >s >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:53:21 +0200l9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>h" Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup' Message-ID: <3D581231.5892DE85@aaa.com>h  7 Before kill-fileing someone, one can, as have been donei1 in this thread a number of times now, politly ask / to have the thread closed. Now, if the originall5 poster of of-topic items don't seem to "get it", welln$ kill-fileing could be a last resort.  5 And if, as in this specific case, the original poster 8 also post highly interesting, right on-topic stuff, then' kill-fileing is an even worse solution.t  5 And I'm not a subscriber or (I'd guess) anyone of any 4 "significance" to you, Terry, *but* keeping c.o.v in' good shape is of a high interest to me.(   Jan-Erik Sderholm.R   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  >  > --L > "Jamie Stallwood" <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> wrote in< > message news:bucflucvbskpvfmr5fjl9844hlabjmafj1@4ax.com... > >dC > > I don't care, as do most COV readers, if you have a virus. It'sh: > > off-topic and I'm bored of skipping this junk posting. > J > Fine. Killfile me. It's not as if you are a subscriber or anyone else of > significance to me.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:43:19 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>d" Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup) Message-ID: <7SW59.317$Zl2.234@sccrnsc02>_   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher, SKHPC-$ Director at Large, Encompass US Inc.6 Director of Technical Marketing, Science Medicus, Inc. terryshannon@attbi.com www.openvms.orgu www.sciencemedicus.com3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messageo! news:3D581231.5892DE85@aaa.com... 9 > Before kill-fileing someone, one can, as have been dones3 > in this thread a number of times now, politly ask 1 > to have the thread closed. Now, if the originalD7 > poster of of-topic items don't seem to "get it", well & > kill-fileing could be a last resort. >e7 > And if, as in this specific case, the original postert: > also post highly interesting, right on-topic stuff, then) > kill-fileing is an even worse solution.a >e7 > And I'm not a subscriber or (I'd guess) anyone of anyp6 > "significance" to you, Terry, *but* keeping c.o.v in) > good shape is of a high interest to me.  >e  
 Hi jan-Erik--2  I So far, Norton AntiVirus appears to be keeping me KLEZ-free. The software K came with my new Compaq Evo desktop, and it thus far has run circles aroundo McAfee. Norton's OK by me!   cheers,d   terry s H with little news on the VMS front, what with the recent releases and all   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:29:28 -0700 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>" Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup, Message-ID: <3D57F077.3C9798ED@Mvb.Saic.Com>   Patrick Young wrote: > > > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message+ > news:<%Aj59.85439$D36.78308@rwcrnsc53>...C3 > > According to SPAMCOP, the source of the KLEZ ise > ? > Actually, thinking about this a bit more, I like KLEZ, I liken > it a *lot* actually. > C > It might cause more people to rethink their email """SOLUTION""".r > K > On another point - I would be perturbed if anyone put anti-virus software 8 > on our mail gateway box. I like my email as it stands. > G > Any thoughts about how an OpenVMS .exe passing though the AV softwareeG > would survive if it contained a pattern that just happened to match al > Window(tm) virus ? > B > Sorry if that was a silly question. I don't do PC (Window(tm) or
 > otherwise).t  E There's no need for it to even be a .exe file.  Info-VAX gets a largetE number of bounce messages every day from various alleged "anti-virus"rB filters claiming that a message has been rejected for containing aE virus.  And this is on a 3-line posting that has no mime header (and,oH thus, is incapable of carrying a virus), and no text in the posting thatD should be triggering a virus recognition sequence.  Mail sent to theE postmaster of the bounce-originating system about the, um, "excessivel7 zeal" of their virus-scanning software goes unanswered.-  @ People either don't know or don't care how many legitimate emailD messages their anti-virus software swallows.  Software they wouldn'tC even need to run if they hadn't chosen Microsoft-based products fort
 reading mail.-  8 How many times does P.T. Barnum have to be proven right?  
 Mark Berrymann   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 01:56:11 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>0 Subject: Re: List of ASC/ASCQ codes for TL891/2?- Message-ID: <87ofc8gdvo.fsf@prep.synonet.com>a  = "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> writes:a   > Anybody got one?  sA > They're really Quantum DLT7000s Compaq-branded as TZ89s inside.   @ I have seen the manual for them, about 1" thinck, and listed all? the codes, return values, format bumph, you name it. So it doesa= exist. Have you given Quantums web site a good dredging over?c& EK-*TZ8*-TM will be close for a guess.   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:57:50 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> 7 Subject: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMSC* Message-ID: <aj97gh$rkb$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  K You never know when you may need this information, but I would guess the at.1 ETS you might get asked at the engineering panel.B sue3/ http://www.slac.stanford.edu/~rkj/crazytime.txtg  % PRODUCTS:   OpenVMS VAX, All Versionsm'             OpenVMS Alpha, All VersionsJ!             VAX VMS, All VersionsD   COMPONENT:  System Timem  ) SOURCE:     Digital Equipment CorporationA    	 QUESTION:s  H Why is Wednesday, November 17, 1858 the base time for OpenVMS (VAX VMS)?     ANSWER:e  @ November 17, 1858 is the base of the Modified Julian Day system.  D The original Julian Day (JD) is used by astronomers and expressed in> days since noon January 1, 4713 B.C.  This measure of time wasB introduced by Joseph Scaliger in the 16th century.  It is named inF honor of his father, Julius Caesar Scaliger (note that this Julian DayA is different from the Julian calendar named for the Roman Emperors Julius Caesar!).  C Why 4713 BC?  Scaliger traced three time cycles and found that they6@ were all in the first year of their cyle in 4713 B.C.  The threeA cycles are 15, 19, and 28 years long.  By multiplying these threeaE numbers (15 * 19 * 28 = 7980), he was able to represent any date fromd= 4713 B.C. through 3267 A.D.  The starting year was before anysF historical event known to him.  In fact, the Jewish calendar marks theD start of the world as 3761 B.C.  Today his numbering scheme is stillF used by astronomers to avoid the difficulties of converting the months4 of different calendars in use during different eras.  F So why 1858?  The Julian Day 2,400,000 just happens to be November 17,: 1858.  The Modified Julian Day uses the following formula:        MJD = JD - 2,400,000.5   B The .5 changed when the day starts.  Astronomers had considered itA more convenient to have their day start at noon so that nighttime E observation times fall in the middle.  But they changed to conform toi the commercial day.c  D The Modified Julian Day was adopted by the Smithsonian Astrophysical> Observatory (SAO) in 1957 for satellite tracking.  SAO startedG tracking satellites with an 8K (non-virtual) 36-bit IBM[R] 704 computerrD in 1957, when Sputnik was launched.  The Julian day was 2,435,839 onE January 1, 1957.  This is 11,225,377 in octal notation, which was tooCG big to fit into an 18-bit field (half of the IBM standard 36-bit word).aD And, with only 8K of memory, no one wanted to waste the 14 bits leftE over by keeping the Julian Day in its own 36-bit word.  However, theyoE also needed to track hours and minutes, for which 18 bits gave enoughdE accuracy.  So, they decided to keep the number of days in the left 18r> bits and the hours and minutes in the right 18 bits of a word.  B Eighteen bits would allow the Modified Julian Day (the SAO day) toC grow as large as 262,143 ((2 ** 18) - 1).  From Nov. 17, 1858, thisR@ allowed for seven centuries.  Using only 17 bits, the date could? possibly grow only as large as 131,071, but this still covers 3eF centuries, as well as leaving the possibility of representing negativeD time.  The year 1858 preceded the oldest star catalog in use at SAO,F which also avoided having to use negative time in any of the satellite tracking calculations.  ? This base time of Nov. 17, 1858 has since been used by TOPS-10,e@ TOPS-20, and VAX VMS and OpenVMS.  Given this base date, the 100@ nanosecond granularity implemented within OpenVMS and the 63-bitB absolute time representation (the sign bit must be clear), OpenVMS' should have no trouble with time until:o        31-JUL-31086 02:48:05.47e  D At this time, all clocks and time-keeping operations in OpenVMS will1 suddenly stop, as system time values go negative.   F Note that the OpenVMS time display and manipulation routines allow forE only 4 digits in the 'YEAR' field.  We expect this to be corrected in2: a future release of OpenVMS sometime prior to 31-DEC-9999.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:49:13 +0200@, From: "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net>; Subject: Re: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMS 6 Message-ID: <aja6ho$19halc$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>  F "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag$ news:aj97gh$rkb$1@web1.cup.hp.com...H > Note that the OpenVMS time display and manipulation routines allow forG > only 4 digits in the 'YEAR' field.  We expect this to be corrected inn< > a future release of OpenVMS sometime prior to 31-DEC-9999.  I Btw., anyone knows, why 57 is used as threshold between 19xx and 20xx, if  using a two-digit-year ?   -- Regards, Rainer Giese   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2002 19:59:47 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: OPCOM log filel* Message-ID: <aj943j$p5m$6@web1.cup.hp.com>  o In article <a50c2679.0208061038.1498eea2@posting.google.com>, david_Awerbuch@yahoo.com (David Awerbuch) writes: E :Could someone please remind me, when OPCOM is started, where on diskeG :does he write his log files?  I am at a client, and for the life of menF :can not find the file that I expect OPCOM creates.  Or am I wrong and  :OPCOM does not write to a file?  G   When posting, please remember to include the OpenVMS platform and theTG   version.  The details of this and of other aspects of OpenVMS can andhI   do vary by version, by platform, and by standalone or clustered status,k   etc.  J   For general details of the operation of the OPCOM mechanisms, please seeG   the OpenVMS documentation set (referenced in the OpenVMS FAQ) and seetI   SYLOGICALS.COM/SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE for the OPC$* configuration details.n    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2002 20:31:53 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Open VMS on XP1000o* Message-ID: <aj95vp$p5m$7@web1.cup.hp.com>  x In article <aus-DE65E6.17480807082002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, "Aus, Hans Magnus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:8 :[Repeat of previous post with XP1000 written together.] :s1 :Does Open VMS run on any and all XP1000 servers?P  E   OpenVMS is supported on the Professional Workstation XP1000 series..  G : OR, are there "hidden hardware features" which prevent Open VMS from   : booting on some XP1000s?  H   I am aware of no specific and special licensing restrictions for this J   platform, if that was the intent of your question.  You will be requiredD   to have the usual OpenVMS and layered product licenses, of course.  F   There are certainly hardware "features" which can and sometimes willH   prevent OpenVMS from successfully bootstrapping on specific platforms,D   most commonly the presence of unsupported or unrecognized hardwareH   within critical subsystems -- if that was the intent of your question.G   The boot path is clearly the most central and the most critical path  H   -- this path involves the console or console graphics adapter, and the    complete system disk I/O path.  D :I'm looking at a XP1000 on eBay.de and haven't received a definite + :answer from the owner who uses Windows NT.1 :1 :The proffered XP1000 includes:01 :XP1000 with 500Mhz Alpha Processor, 256MB SDRam,1+ :IBM 40GB HD 7200 rpm.  CDRom, 10 Mbit NIC.g :Adaptec 1524 SCSI Adapter.a :Graphic card: S3 PCI with 4MB.o  G   The Professional Workstation XP1000 series I am familiar with has an AI   integrated UltraSCSI controller.  The S3 Trio64 is variously supported,tI   but it's very old and slow.  That there is an Ethernet-Classic card is lJ   also odd, most of these boxes had integrated Fast Ethernet (full 10/100)G   capabilities, too.  The IBM disk drive is not supported, but it will  B   *PROBABLY* work.  I have no idea if an "Adaptec 1524" will work.  ? :Is there a reasonable chance that OVMS boots on this hardware?d  C   OpenVMS is supported on the platform, and -- assuming there is an D   integrated UltraSCSI -- there is a reasonable chance that it will E   boot.  You will want to use OpenVMS V7.2-2 and ECOs, V7.3 and ECOs, $   or V7.3-1 and (as available) ECOs.    J :While searching the USENET comp.os.vms postings over the last few weeks, G :I've read so many tidbits about the various hardware components which  I :OVMS does or doesn't support: even some original DEC video controllers, wI :whether or not the SCSI adapter is on the main board, etc, etc. All for n8 :still older Alpha hardware but none-the-less confusing.  K   A requirement to very be familiar with the details of what you are buying J   is one of the central requirements -- and a cost -- of truely being, um,F   frugal.  If you wish to be less familiar with the details of or are H   otherwise averse to the risks and the potential costs of learning the H   details, then you will want to contact a reputable purveyor of new or J   used Alpha equipment, and you will want to stay with supported hardware.H   (I'd expect that various used-equipment vendors will be offering used 9   Professional Workstation XP1000 series boxes, as well.)a   	--w  J   I'd want more memory in this box (256 MB is not enough), and I'd want toI   know the details of the SCSI configuration, and I'd want an Oxygen VX1  F   or PowerStorm 300 or PowerStorm 350 or other graphics controller -- J   though one of the local Professional Workstation XP1000 boxes is happily3   running with a PowerStorm 4D20 series controller.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:23:03 GMTe0 From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@compaq.com>% Subject: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Doc set postedy3 Message-ID: <HOU59.36$Xv6.1016889@news.cpqcorp.net>   < The 7.3-1 Doc set has been posted on the OpenVMS Doc server.  L http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ and/or http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc   -warren    --B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingG Hewlett-Packard Company              Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comrL 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@remove.ma.ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875i5    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myselfb,          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 20:13:45 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)2) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Doc set postedn3 Message-ID: <g7NFTLJ1GkQu@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  f In article <HOU59.36$Xv6.1016889@news.cpqcorp.net>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@compaq.com> writes:> > The 7.3-1 Doc set has been posted on the OpenVMS Doc server. > N > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ and/or http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc > 	 > -warrenn   Thanks Warren.   ============  E Ok, team, was anyone else able to find the model of CD-R the hardwareoB site supposedly indicates is supported on the DS25 ?  I could not.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:36:50 GMTC1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Doc set postedt' Message-ID: <3D58679A.BEFBF8C5@fsi.net>m   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > h > In article <HOU59.36$Xv6.1016889@news.cpqcorp.net>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@compaq.com> writes:@ > > The 7.3-1 Doc set has been posted on the OpenVMS Doc server. > > P > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ and/or http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc > >- > > -warrena >  > Thanks Warren. >  > ============ > G > Ok, team, was anyone else able to find the model of CD-R the hardwarewD > site supposedly indicates is supported on the DS25 ?  I could not.  C IIRC, all it says is an IDE CD-R drive not more than 32x. What that.7 means is anyone's guess. CD read speed? CD write speed?    -- a David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2002 19:10:40 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: OpenVMS printersN* Message-ID: <aj917g$p5m$3@web1.cup.hp.com>  m In article <c1243f29.0208050100.ecbe4d1@posting.google.com>, PeterMoreton@hotmail.com (Peter Moreton) writes:e  C :I have to help a customer to specify some new printers for OpenVMSsD :systems, and looking on the Digital, Compaq, HP website, I can onlyE :find HP laserjet style printers. No 'proper' digital printers like I,0 :used to use years ago (eg: LN03, LG series etc) :hB :Can someone update me with the current practise regarding OpenVMSG :printing, is it not possible to buy Digital printers, do we now use HPm6 :as standard, how are the printer control codes setup? :cD :I remember under OpenVMS 5.5 having to write my own printer controlE :libraries to be able to properly manage forms etc. Is this still the-$ :case under current versions of VMS?  F   Please see the DECprint Services (DCPS) product for the list of that*   product's supported Postscript printers.  C   For an introduction to TCP/IP Services printing and to various IPCF   printing topics, please see topic (1020) in the Ask The Wizard area.  F   OpenVMS itself does not have any particular nor specific support forF   new or recent printers, leaving this support and this testing to the$   DCPS and TCP/IP Services packages.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:07:02 -0400a5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> 5 Subject: RDB Internals course - last ones of the yeare* Message-ID: <aj981r$rp7$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  E We've found that our customers who invest in a thorough understandingi  B of Oracle Rdb get the most out of their investment in the product.  E Have you always wanted to know why Oracle Rdb's optimizer chooses thee  D strategies it does? 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 Best regards,    Kevin Duffy    Oracle Rdb Development Directort  C -------------------------------------------------------------------A  @ We sent you this mail because of your business relationship with  < Oracle and its Rdb family of software products. If you would  @ like to be removed from this mailing list, please let us know at  D http://www.oracle.com/rdb/contacts/index.html?rdb_mailing_list.html.  ; You can also change our record of your email address or adds  0 addresses for your colleagues at this same site.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 12:44:08 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)a& Subject: Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed3 Message-ID: <aWSuAWEpz$EJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <20020812131616.L383319@marvin.4amlunch.net>, Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net> writes:.L > i am attempting to set my system volume up as a shadow on my DEC 3000/700. > Q > it's not going so well however, and the Shadow Volume manual is, well, lacking.  >  > to put it nicely.n > 8 > $ MOUNT DSA0: /SHADOW=($1$DKB0:,$1$DKB100:) SHADOWVOL A > %MOUNT-F-NOMASTER, no master member found for this virtual unit F > %MOUNT-I-SHDWMEMFAIL, _$1$DKB0: failed as a member of the shadow set/ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availableBH > %MOUNT-I-SHDWMEMFAIL, _$1$DKB100: failed as a member of the shadow set/ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availablee > O > how to i setup a master member?  i'm following the manual, and it doesn't sayjQ > anything about doing anything special, it just says to do that.  so why doesn'to > it work then?D >   G 	The system disk is a special case and has sysgen parameters associatedn 	with it.  Quick and dirty:o  ! NODE_YOUNGR> mcr sysgen show shad H Parameter Name           Current    Default     Min.      Max.     Unit  Dynamic H --------------           -------    -------    -------   -------   ----  -------oM SHADOWING                       2          0         0          3 Coded-valu iN SHADOW_SYS_DISK                 1          0         0         -1 Bit_Code   DM SHADOW_SYS_UNIT                 1          0         0       9999 Unit       sN SHADOW_MAX_COPY                20          4         0        200 Threads    DN SHADOW_MBR_TMO                120        120         1      65535 Seconds    DN SHADOW_SYS_TMO                120        120         1      65535 Seconds    DN SHADOW_SYS_WAIT               256        256         1      65535 Seconds    DN SHADOW_REMOVE_1 "                "    "    "    "    "     "ZZZZ" Ascii       N SHADOW_REMOVE_2 "                "    "    "    "    "     "ZZZZ" Ascii         1 NODE_YOUNGR> search sys$system:modparams.dat shadO SHADOWING=2w SHADOW_MAX_COPY=20? SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1               ! Enables system disk shadowingeH SHADOW_SYS_UNIT=1               ! Specifies 1 as the virtual unit number    ; 	So... if you want 0 as your virtual unit... make that yournD 	SHADOW_SYS_UNIT number.  Shutdown reboot (make sure SHADOW_SYS_DISK> 	is set to 1) you have a single member system disk as a shadow@ 	set.  Now add your other member "by hand" and a full copy takesC 	place.  The system keeps track of what the shadow members are/wereP= 	so the shadowset is formed on reboot.  You can learn a whole,C 	lot more (and I encourage it) by going out to the web and Googling3 	for related topics.    9 	In fact, top hit when searching SHADOW_SYS_DISK  yields:   2 http://uni2a.unige.ch/doc/ssb71/5423/5423p002.htm   : 	Which is a good/better overview of exactly what you need.   				RobM  : And the wind shall say:  "Here were decent godless people:>                           Their only monument the asphalt road:                           And a thousand lost golf balls."-                                 -- T.S. Eliot    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:46:03 +0200u9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>.& Subject: Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed' Message-ID: <3D57F45B.D2B7C84F@aaa.com>e   Just to check.... You have set up the difference sysgen params ?9 Then, when booting, you should have a DSAnnn disk as yuor 7 system disk with the same nnn number as you have set upn9 in sysgen. After that you can "add" a second disk to youry> system shadow set. You say that the manual is "lacking", still: you say that you have followed the mnaual. Anyway, exactly what steps have you taken ?h  = There are *more* steps to take when shadowing a systems disk,- then some other "data" disk.  * And the shadowing disk is available from :. "http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/" anyway...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Brian Hechinger wrote: > L > i am attempting to set my system volume up as a shadow on my DEC 3000/700. > Q > it's not going so well however, and the Shadow Volume manual is, well, lacking.  >  > to put it nicely.p > O > how to i setup a master member?  i'm following the manual, and it doesn't say Q > anything about doing anything special, it just says to do that.  so why doesn'tC > it work then?m >w   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:43:17 +0100 (MET)i9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>l& Subject: Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed; Message-ID: <01KL82508DMG96Z9MP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o  < > So... if you want 0 as your virtual unit... make that your > SHADOW_SYS_UNIT number.  n  H Lots of folks use that (perhaps because it is often used as an example).  G Personally, I prefer names like 1236.  This lets me know that one disk aD is $1$DKA200 and the other $3$DKA600.  (Sure, parsing SHOW DEVICE D H gives the same conclusion.)  (In my hobbyist setup, I only have one SCSIC controller per machine and one machine per allocation class.)  Any  F applications, of course, would refer to it as DISK$USER or whatever.     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:40:15 -0400-* From: Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net>& Subject: Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed8 Message-ID: <20020812144015.P383319@marvin.4amlunch.net>  : On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 12:44:08PM -0600, Rob Young wrote: > I > 	The system disk is a special case and has sysgen parameters associatedg > 	with it.  Quick and dirty:o  K you'll have to excuse me, i was a little frustrated when i wrote that, so iP! sort of blurred details together.o  H my first attempt to do shadowed system disks ended up with an unbootable machine:  B %SYSINIT-E- error creating shadowed system disk, status = 007282AC  K my second attempt (the one i'm on now) i've just enabled SHADOWING, and i'm   working with non-system volumes.  L and it fails.  but the failure message means nothing to me, and the docs areJ all good, as long as everything works, but fail to cover when things don't work as planned.  ; > 	In fact, top hit when searching SHADOW_SYS_DISK  yields:s4 > http://uni2a.unige.ch/doc/ssb71/5423/5423p002.htm < > 	Which is a good/better overview of exactly what you need.  1 this is the exact documentation that i was using.    -brian -- e she manipulates my language			|t) the scion of a cunning goddess			| Fridgeh  and i *am* but a MAN				| Magnet) watching my gratuitous torment			| Poetryt not looking herculean				|   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 16:36:25 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)& Subject: Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0208121536.265fd37a@posting.google.com>t  j Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net> wrote in message news:<20020812144015.P383319@marvin.4amlunch.net>...< > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 12:44:08PM -0600, Rob Young wrote: > > K > > 	The system disk is a special case and has sysgen parameters associatedT > > 	with it.  Quick and dirty:c > M > you'll have to excuse me, i was a little frustrated when i wrote that, so i)# > sort of blurred details together.d > J > my first attempt to do shadowed system disks ended up with an unbootable
 > machine: > D > %SYSINIT-E- error creating shadowed system disk, status = 007282AC > M > my second attempt (the one i'm on now) i've just enabled SHADOWING, and i'mn" > working with non-system volumes. > N > and it fails.  but the failure message means nothing to me, and the docs are    E Well, could you *post* the failure message? Can you tell us what yourgC shadowing system parameters are? Can you describe the procedure youd@ used to set the system parameters? Are you the same guy with the& identical, but different SYSUAF files?  3 COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE US SOME INFORMATION TO GO ON?C  L > all good, as long as everything works, but fail to cover when things don't > work as planned.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  afeldman.notthis.gfigroup&com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:32:14 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>& Subject: Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed4 Message-ID: <1020812202427.415A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  + On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Brian Hechinger wrote:l  < > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 12:44:08PM -0600, Rob Young wrote: > > K > > 	The system disk is a special case and has sysgen parameters associatedd > > 	with it.  Quick and dirty:n > M > you'll have to excuse me, i was a little frustrated when i wrote that, so is# > sort of blurred details together.e > J > my first attempt to do shadowed system disks ended up with an unbootable
 > machine: > D > %SYSINIT-E- error creating shadowed system disk, status = 007282AC   Use the error messages:t   $ exit %X007282ACo2 %MOUNT-F-NOTSHDWDEV, not a valid shadow set member $ help/mess notshdwdev  +  NOTSHDWDEV,  not a valid shadow set member   $   Facility:     MOUNT, Mount Utility  =   Explanation:  There are two possible causes for this error:a  I                 o You did not specify an explicit allocation class in the-5                   device name of a shadow set member.   E                 o You specified a device that does not support volumecJ                   shadowing to be a shadow set member. Only certain disks,H                   including Digital Storage Architecture and SCSI disks,+                   support volume shadowing.0    L   User Action:  Correct the command syntax or choose a different device, and(                 enter the command again.  3 So, did you check these things before trying again?   C (You need to set an allocation class on disks before you can shadow-? them.  For local disks see the ALLOCLASS sysgen parameter.  FortE served disks (HSC, HSJ, etc.), allocation class is set in the storage  controller.  RTFM.)J   What kind of disk is it?  M > my second attempt (the one i'm on now) i've just enabled SHADOWING, and i'mM" > working with non-system volumes. > N > and it fails.  but the failure message means nothing to me, and the docs areL > all good, as long as everything works, but fail to cover when things don't > work as planned.  A So, what error did you get the second time?  Was it the same?  IfjE not, please post the full messages.  (It shouldn't be a SYSINIT errorr on a non-system disk...)   > = > > 	In fact, top hit when searching SHADOW_SYS_DISK  yields:r6 > > http://uni2a.unige.ch/doc/ssb71/5423/5423p002.htm > > > 	Which is a good/better overview of exactly what you need. > 3 > this is the exact documentation that i was using.c >  > -brian  A P.S.  The 1st situation can probably be fixed without going back.e@ If it's the allocation class problem, you can probably just do a1 conversational boot and set ALLOCLASS in SYSINIT.-   -- - John Santos- Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:37:11 -0400s* From: Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net>& Subject: Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed8 Message-ID: <20020812213711.H383319@marvin.4amlunch.net>  < On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 08:32:14PM -0400, John Santos wrote: > K >                 o You did not specify an explicit allocation class in them7 >                   device name of a shadow set member.   ) this didn't make any sense to me at first   E > (You need to set an allocation class on disks before you can shadowDA > them.  For local disks see the ALLOCLASS sysgen parameter.  ForS  N until this here, which jogged my memmory.  this is a standalone box, so it had? no ALLOCLASS set.  added ALLOCLASS, and voila, things now work.   P DSA0:                   Mounted              0  ALPHASYS       2509392   272   1A $1$DKB0:       (BULMA)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:) M $1$DKB100:     (BULMA)  ShadowCopying        0  (copy trgt DSA0:  15% copied)@   thanks!!   -brian --   she manipulates my language			|i) the scion of a cunning goddess			| Fridgeh  and i *am* but a MAN				| Magnet) watching my gratuitous torment			| Poetryo not looking herculean				|   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Aug 2002 01:36:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed* Message-ID: <aj9nqk$1dm$2@web1.cup.hp.com>  n In article <b096a4ee.0208121536.265fd37a@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:k :Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net> wrote in message news:<20020812144015.P383319@marvin.4amlunch.net>...a= :> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 12:44:08PM -0600, Rob Young wrote:m :> > nL :> > 	The system disk is a special case and has sysgen parameters associated  :> > 	with it.  Quick and dirty: :> tN :> you'll have to excuse me, i was a little frustrated when i wrote that, so i$ :> sort of blurred details together. :>  K :> my first attempt to do shadowed system disks ended up with an unbootablee :> machine:n :>  E :> %SYSINIT-E- error creating shadowed system disk, status = 007282ACh :> aN :> my second attempt (the one i'm on now) i've just enabled SHADOWING, and i'm# :> working with non-system volumes.  :> sK :> and it fails.  but the failure message means nothing to me, and the docs-	 :> are...-    A   You likely need to set up host or port allocation classes here:o  !     $ Msg = F$Message(%X007282AC)F     $ Show Symbol Msgq@       Msg = "%MOUNT-F-NOTSHDWDEV, not a valid shadow set member"     $-    $ HELP/MESSAGE NOTSHDWDEV  +  NOTSHDWDEV,  not a valid shadow set memberl  $   Facility:     MOUNT, Mount Utility  =   Explanation:  There are two possible causes for this error:o  I                 o You did not specify an explicit allocation class in thet5                   device name of a shadow set member.h  E                 o You specified a device that does not support volumeaJ                   shadowing to be a shadow set member. Only certain disks,H                   including Digital Storage Architecture and SCSI disks,+                   support volume shadowing.a    L   User Action:  Correct the command syntax or choose a different device, and(                 enter the command again.         --  C   Given the discussion here, I would not expect to see an answer to 7   this question posted over in the Ask The Wizard area.o       --  F   The OpenVMS FAQ has information on shadowing and allocation classes,G   as well as on votes and expected_votes and other topics.  And to help D   you get answers more quickly, the FAQ also has some suggestions onI   the sorts of simple details that can be needed by the folks that might sG   be able to answer your question; details that -- if included early in H   the discussion -- can speed you on your way to the answer(s) you seek,G   and can help folks avoid confusion and ambiguities which can lead youhG   to receive what can be correct answers, though to the wrong question.%       --     No offense is intended.       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:16:59 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>& Subject: Re: Shadow Volume Help Needed4 Message-ID: <1020812215647.415A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  + On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Brian Hechinger wrote:e  > > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 08:32:14PM -0400, John Santos wrote: > > M > >                 o You did not specify an explicit allocation class in theC9 > >                   device name of a shadow set member.2 > + > this didn't make any sense to me at first  > G > > (You need to set an allocation class on disks before you can shadow-C > > them.  For local disks see the ALLOCLASS sysgen parameter.  Fors > P > until this here, which jogged my memmory.  this is a standalone box, so it hadA > no ALLOCLASS set.  added ALLOCLASS, and voila, things now work.h > R > DSA0:                   Mounted              0  ALPHASYS       2509392   272   1C > $1$DKB0:       (BULMA)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:)lO > $1$DKB100:     (BULMA)  ShadowCopying        0  (copy trgt DSA0:  15% copied)- > 
 > thanks!!  3 Yeah!  I finally gave some advice that worked!  :-)@  @ And, to follow my own RTFM advice, I just read the fine FAQ, andK sure enough, it's there, too.  Topic MGMT54. Does volume shadowing require 8B a non-zero allocation classes?  (This is topic 15.6.7.1 in the new/ format FAQ from June, which I just downloaded.)t  @ It doesn't mention the actual error you get when you try to boot0 a shadowed system disk with ALLOCLASS=0, though.   I highly recommend the FAQ: "     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/.     ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.os.vms/,     comp.answers and news.answers newsgroups   --   John SantosS Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 02 20:38:39 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)r9 Subject: Single names in email addresses - was KLEZ moansv) Message-ID: <MCklKXJnR5bX@elias.decus.ch>b  e In article <aj88kv$18q72o$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: + > In article <jxmR8hkcL1JO@elias.decus.ch>,D. > 	p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: >> sL >> I routinely discard any mail which comes with a first name only, as it is' >> normally a get rich scheme or worse.  > E > Which is yet another example of letting the terrorist win.  You are D > discarding possibly valid email beacuse some jerk has successfully > modified your behavior.  > C > I have been using the username "bill" at numerous locations since C > before the "INTERNET" went public.  I used it on UUCP Email and IIB > used it on ARPANET long before the term ISP was even dreamed up.0 > I have never asked anyone to "get rich quick". > ! > And I will continue to useit!!!T >   I A reanalysis of the situation makes me realise my real problem is the wayOI Outlook (at work, not at home!) displays the "From:" address in the InboxS folder.    __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:45:20 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe> Message-ID: <kfU59.11524$Sy4.37202@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  L Ouch, I don't know what caused all the duplicate messages.  I think I killed it now!e   Matt.d   --= -------------------------------------------------------------v OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyu Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAm= -------------------------------------------------------------     ; "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in messagey8 news:51D49.23999$sp1.76095@news-server.bigpond.net.au...* > > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com > >s > > Can you guess what happens?f >e& > Yep.  While we're on the subject.... >m1 > Examples of two of my favourite pipe sequences:d >o > $!-------------------- > $! rxcount.com > $ interface = P1& > $   pipe/nological_names/nosymbols -J >       tcpip show interface 'interface' | search sys$pipe 'interface' | - >       (read sys$pipe line ; -	A >       _count==f$element(3," ",f$edit(line,"COMPRESS,TRIM")) ; -:< >        define/job/nolog tcpip$rxcount_'interface' &_count)L > $   rxcount = f$integer(f$trnlnm("tcpip$rxcount_''interface'", "lnm$job")) > $ show sym rxcount > $!---------------------- >- > $!---------------------1( > $! search with success or error status
 > $ file = P1? > $ target = P2aF > $ pipe search/nowarn 'file' 'target' | read sys$pipe tmp 2> nl: >nl: > $ show sym $status > $!---------------------e >t > --? > -------------------------------------------------------------  > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > Enterprise Computing Group > Hewlett-Packard Companys > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAa? > -------------------------------------------------------------a >l > 9 > "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in message.1 > news:aiummf$1781t1$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de...hL > > Ok, I couldn't resist.  We were sitting around trying to figure out what > > goodI > > the "<" character in a pipe command could be.  I was surprised by theq > > result when I typed: > >k* > > $ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com > >m > > Can you guess what happens?m > >a > > Jimw > >y > >3 > >0 >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:10:43 -0400c; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>e$ Subject: Re: Stupid ways to use pipe$ Message-ID: <3d58165b$1@news.si.com>  H >Not sure what it does for you but on VAX/VMS 7.2 it executes like this: >n' >$ pipe sys$input < sys$login:login.com  >aG >%DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling@ >d >\SYS$INPUT\  8 On _my_ OpenVMS VAX V7.2 system, I get the same thing as   $ @sys$login:login   No errors at all.r --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comrA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.come= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventn< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:11:47 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>  Subject: Re: test, ignoreu$ Message-ID: <3d58169b$1@news.si.com>  K Didier, please test using one of the newsgroups meant for testing.  Thanks.1 -- 0A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comu= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 02 20:42:49 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)r Subject: Re: Trivia questionsa) Message-ID: <W0ZCOuejTfwu@elias.decus.ch>b  w In article <OF3CDBED89.B8FC07ED-ON07256C13.00507ED7@rsc.raytheon.com>, "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes:) > Folks: > J > I looked around a little for the answers but didn't get a hint.  Can you > help?f >  > Year the KO retired? >    Don't know.s  e > Year the Compaq bought DEC?n > N 1998. IIRC correctly it was announced in the first week or two of January, but8 took roughly 6 months before it was officially "Compaq".   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland0   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:46:57 GMTh1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>  Subject: Re: Trivia questionsy) Message-ID: <BVW59.346$Zl2.203@sccrnsc02>e   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher, SKHPCg$ Director at Large, Encompass US Inc.6 Director of Technical Marketing, Science Medicus, Inc. terryshannon@attbi.com www.openvms.orgr www.sciencemedicus.com6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:W0ZCOuejTfwu@elias.decus.ch...6H > In article <OF3CDBED89.B8FC07ED-ON07256C13.00507ED7@rsc.raytheon.com>,0 "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes:
 > > Folks: > > L > > I looked around a little for the answers but didn't get a hint.  Can you	 > > help?i > >p > > Year the KO retired? > >e >s
 > Don't know.  >w  / IIRC Ken was ousted, er, "retired" in mid-1992.c   > > Year the Compaq bought DEC?h > >wL > 1998. IIRC correctly it was announced in the first week or two of January, buto: > took roughly 6 months before it was officially "Compaq".  E Yup. At the last-ever DEC Shareholder's Meeting. It took less than 452G minutes to consign a 45 year old company to the industry-standard scrapI heap.  >n > __ > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:16:59 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Trivia questions , Message-ID: <3D587A2B.6000202@tsoft-inc.com>   Terry C. Shannon wrote:r    1 > IIRC Ken was ousted, er, "retired" in mid-1992.s    J Actually, I don't think that Ken has as yet retired.  He's just not a DEC M anymore, and sadly, neither is anyone else.  I'm betting that if Ken had not tQ been "retired", that Compaq would have been told to f**k off, and if some of the eS problems at DEC could have been resolved, we'd still have DEC and be a bit happier.,   And then again, maybe not.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:54:54 -0700D5 From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My.Full.Name@intel.com>2 Subject: Re: uaf) Message-ID: <3D582EAE.5A715929@intel.com>a  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote:  1 > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Kenneth H. Fairfield wrote:s >e > [...]eC > >+P.S. The supervisor mode definition of SYSUAF in your Job tableoC > >+     will be ignored.  If you want ot override the System tabletC > >+     definition, the logical still needs to be defined /EXEC in ; > >+     whatever table you define it in for it to be used.S >N
 >  Disagree !a >gA >  The problem has something with Davids question: both DIRECTORYt9 > and AUTHORIZE are "normal" (means: user mode) programm;a< > that means: but supervisor and non-system-table definition> > are in use. But executive/kernel routines requires EXECUTIVE9 > definition, and AFAIR SETP0 honours system table *only*e= > (what has some logic: when user logs in, then loginout musto: > access SYSUAF & co *without* (before !) the group number= > is known and before job table even exists - then make sensea' > to use the same way for SET PASSWORD.   =     It's really very easy to test your assertion.  And if you @ do, you'll find you are mistaken (as BAart Zorn also noted). :-)  >     When I log into a particular very-non-homogeneous cluster,@ after certain tests in my LOGIN.COM, I wind up with this (excuse the line wrap):n  = -------------------------------------------------------------r $ sho log /ful sysuafe<    "SYSUAF" [exec] = "PTD$CLU_FAST:[PTDFASTFILES]SYSUAF.DAT"         (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)e=    "SYSUAF" [exec,no_alias] = "SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYSUAF.DAT".         (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) $h= -------------------------------------------------------------   = Believe me, the process table logical works (many, many usersI< whose information I want to examine or modify is NOT present6 in the SYSUAF pointed to by the system table logical).  <     The upshot is, the mode must be EXECUTIVE, but ANY table< will do (at least if the table is in LNM$FILE_DEV, I guess).       -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldg! F20 Automation VMS System Supporto kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.com    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 16:48:38 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: uaf< Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0208121548.523cb33@posting.google.com>  f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<MJw5jGvVLHQ8@eisner.encompasserve.org>...^ > In article <877kj0m56j.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:- > > Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:  > > L > >> In article <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FFCBD6F1@exchsvr.FSC.COM.FJ>,- > >>  A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote:2 >  7( > >> > both node use the same rightslist >  c? > >> And you're absolutely and totally certain, having actually0G > >> inspected, that both nodes are definitely using the same UAF file?4. > >> The file names wouldn't happen to both be@ > >> SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE]SYSUAF.DAT;1 or some such, would they? > > J > > I am suss of this as well. If the disk with sysuaf is not mounted whenJ > > the security server is started, what happens? Or if the SYSUAF file is [...]n >  > 	My idea too.r > = > 	You know... following this thread... I almost responded onsC > 	several occasions.  This has to fall into the top 5 most painful @ > 	collective trouble-shooting fun-fests I have seen in 15 or so@ > 	years of cov.  We do miss Carl.  He would have forced this to  > 	conclusion over a week ago. * [...] F > * Not that only Carl could do it.  But he was a stickler for lack ofL > information and would have forced more to be forthcoming and/or the targetI > would slink away.  Something I go through continuously with end-"users"g  > (Example:  "I can't connect.")    B Not to say I approve of Carl's non-stop flameage, but some people, like this guy, deserves it.-  B Actually, I think I've figured out the problem! This guy is in theE wrong newsgroup. He wants the "twenty questions" one or whatever that-B gameshow was "To Tell the Truth", "What's My Line?", whatever. YouF know, where there's a mystery guest. We have to guess what his line of> work is. But we can only ask him questions that have yes or noF answers. And the guest is supposed to try to make it hard to guess hisB line of work. That's it. He wants *that* newsgroup. He wants us toC pull teeth. To beg for several posts just to get another half-baked>D clue. Yeah, he doesn't want help. He wants to play What's My Line!!!  C :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)s :-) :-) :-)>   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmand   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2002 18:12:28 -0700' From: dsettsu@straub.net (Drake Settsu)i& Subject: VMS Backup solutions on a SAN= Message-ID: <fca168b4.0208121712.3a8039f5@posting.google.com>d  E I'm looking for feedback on software solutions to backup a snap clonehE on a (EVA) Enterprise Virtual Array from HP or anything close to what  I'm trying to do.  Thankso   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:35:01 GMTF1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>S* Subject: Re: VMS Backup solutions on a SAN& Message-ID: <3D58672B.2301A7B@fsi.net>   Drake Settsu wrote:h > G > I'm looking for feedback on software solutions to backup a snap clonehG > on a (EVA) Enterprise Virtual Array from HP or anything close to what  > I'm trying to do.  Thanksa  D Well, I guess that depends what you're trying to do. Can we get some
 more details?   F Without knowing more, BACKUP should still be your answer. The trick isH in whether the EVA can present the "snap clone" to VMS as a disk unit so you can run BACKUP against it.  3 Without more info., that's 'bout the best I can do.r   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:49:44 -0400r0 From: "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com>* Subject: Re: VMS Backup solutions on a SAN/ Message-ID: <ulgsg3hkt1arc4@corp.supernews.com>e  K A snapclone disk can be mounted and backed up just like any other VMS disk, L the only issue that you must remember is that when you snapclone a  disk theJ volume label is the same as the disk you cloned so if you want to mount itK after you clone the disk you may want to change the volume label, if you'rei* going to do anything more than back it up.   Alan.s    4 "Drake Settsu" <dsettsu@straub.net> wrote in message7 news:fca168b4.0208121712.3a8039f5@posting.google.com...sG > I'm looking for feedback on software solutions to backup a snap clonedG > on a (EVA) Enterprise Virtual Array from HP or anything close to what- > I'm trying to do.  Thanksi   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 02 20:27:26 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)i7 Subject: Re: VMS Hobbyist User Guide: table of contentsa) Message-ID: <YHQsD2wWfmJU@elias.decus.ch>o  Y In article <1020812035636.35213A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:o   <snip>   > 8 > I have loaded all the licenses on my systems, even for: > products I have no intention of using.  It's easier just8 > to save the email into a .COM file, remove the non-DCL7 > at the beginning and end, and execute it.  In theory, < > paring down the licenses to only what is needed would make; > the license manager more efficient, but I haven't noticedb< > any license check slowness even on a MicroVAX 3600.  Maybe- > on an MV-II, it would be worth the trouble.  > : > I do keep the command file around, and when the licenses6 > expire after a year, I mung it to disable and remove< > all the licenses instead of adding them.  (After obtaining8 > a new set of licenses from Montagar, of course.)  Same+ > with the ASAP/CSA/HP??? licenses at work.  >   H Here's a handy procedure for creating a one line per product list of theO license database. I initially created it so that I could import license details + into a PC database and identify duplicates.   L A swift bit of editing of the output leaves you with a command procedure forJ deleting expired Hobbyist licenses (I did a search on the date to identifyM which records I wanted to delete, and followed up with an EVE learn sequence.l  M Here it is. Please note that all the usual disclaimers apply, and I have onlywN tested it on Alpha systems from V6.2 onwards. Please beware wrapping problems!   $!	LICENSE_LIST.COMw $!	----------------g $!= $!	This procedure performs a full listing of the license fileo< $!	and uses it to produce a tab delimited text file with one $!	record per licensed product.s $! $!	Paul Sture 12-Aug-2002r $!	----------------------6 $!" $!	Freeware. Use at your own risk. $!
 $	set noon $	say = "write sys$output" $	on control_y then goto abort $	node = f$getsyi("NODENAME")e $	tab[0,7] = 9+ $	license list /full /output='node'_lic.tmpR $	open /read in 'node'_lic.tmp$ $	open /write out 'node'_license.txt> $	outrec = "Node" + tab + "Issuer" + tab + "Authorization" + - 		tab + "Product_Name" + - 		tab + "Producer" + - 		tab + "Units" + -t 		tab + "Version" + -I 		tab + "Release_Date" + -" 		tab + "PAK_Termination_Date" + - 		tab + "Availability" $	outrec = outrec + -e 		tab + "Activity" + - 		tab + "Options" + -n 		tab + "Hardware_ID" + -r 		tab + "Revision_Level" + - 		tab + "Status" + - 		tab + "Command" + -  		tab + "Modified_by_user" + - 		tab + "Modified_on" + -a 		tab + "Include"u $	write out outrec
 $	outrec = ""N $	data_to_write = "N"  $get_first:C $	read /end=exit in data& $	data = f$edit (data,"TRIM,COMPRESS")E $	if f$locate("-------",data) .eq. f$length(data) then goto get_first  $! $!	Start of the license details  $! $at_license_delimiter:
 $	Issuer = ""r $	Authorization = "" $	Product_Name = ""  $	Producer = ""h $	Units = "" $	Version = "" $	Release_Date = ""o $	PAK_Termination_Date = ""t $	Availability = ""- $	Activity = ""- $	Options = "" $	Hardware_ID = "" $	Revision_Level = ""g
 $	Status = ""u $	Command = "" $	Modified_by_user = ""s $	Modified_on = "" $	Include = "" $get_line_details: $	read /end=eof in datau% $	data = f$edit(data,"TRIM,COMPRESS")p8 $	if f$locate("-------",data) .ne. f$length(data) .or. -# 		data .eqs. "[End Of List]" then -- 		goto write_license_record  $	item = f$element(0,":",data) $	if item .eqs. "Issuer" then -a/ 		issuer = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")-& $	if item .eqs. "Authorization" then -7 (		Authorization = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")o% $	if item .eqs. "Product Name" then -s5 		Product_Name = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")i! $	if item .eqs. "Producer" then - 1 		Producer = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")e $	if item .eqs. "Units" then -. 		Units = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")  $	if item .eqs. "Version" then -0 		Version = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")% $	if item .eqs. "Release Date" then -h5 		Release_Date = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")|- $	if item .eqs. "PAK Termination Date" then -c= 		PAK_Termination_Date = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM") % $	if item .eqs. "Availability" then -r5 		Availability = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")i! $	if item .eqs. "Activity" then -)1 		Activity = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")   $	if item .eqs. "Options" then -0 		Options = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")$ $	if item .eqs. "Hardware ID" then -4 		Hardware_ID = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")' $	if item .eqs. "Revision Level" then --7 		Revision_Level = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")- $	if item .eqs. "Status" then -p/ 		Status = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")G  $	if item .eqs. "Command" then -0 		Command = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")) $	if item .eqs. "Modified by user" then -l9 		Modified_by_user = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM")s $!@ $!	Note that the "Modified on" field contains a time, so we need! $!	to cater for the ":" delimiteru $! $	if item .eqs. "Modified on"o $	then $		data = data - "Modified on:"n$ $		Modified_on = f$edit(data,"TRIM") $	endift  $	if item .eqs. "Include" then -0 		Include = f$edit(f$element(1,":",data),"TRIM") $	data_to_write = "Y"  $	goto get_line_details  $eof: ' $	if .not. data_to_write then goto exit  $write_license_record:8 $	outrec = Node + tab + Issuer + tab + Authorization + - 		tab + Product_Name + - 		tab + Producer + - 		tab + Units + -D 		tab + Version + -. 		tab + Release_Date + -  		tab + PAK_Termination_Date + - 		tab + Availability $	outrec = outrec + -  		tab + Activity + - 		tab + Options + -n 		tab + Hardware_ID + -  		tab + Revision_Level + - 		tab + Status + - 		tab + Command + -  		tab + Modified_by_user + - 		tab + Modified_on + -g 		tab + Includet $	write out outrec $	data_to_write = "N" . $	if data .eqs. "[End Of List]" then goto exit $	goto at_license_delimiter  $abort:t $	say "Aborted by Ctrl_Y"s $exit:* $	if f$trnlnm("IN") .nes. "" then close in, $	if f$trnlnm("OUT") .nes. "" then close out   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandn   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:01:04 -0500 (CDT)e2 From: Kevin Monceaux <OwnedByDogs@ClearSource.net>7 Subject: Re: VMS Hobbyist User Guide: table of contents:H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0208121454370.6235-100000@Linux.monceaux.com>  D This sounds like it would be a big help to new hobbyists.  I've beenJ tinkering for quite a while and several of the items listed would still beF a big help to me.  I'm sure there are many like myself wo haven't beenI able to acquire any VAX or ALPHA hardware yet.  I'm currently running VMS E on the TS10 emulator.  It would be helpful to include some info abouthC running VMS on an emulator for those who don't have the appropriate H hardware available.  I know that a little info on setting up TCP/IP with, the TS10 emulator would be a big help to me.     Kevinh  * On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Didier Morandi wrote:   >5 > A table of contents could be:  >l > get a VAX or an ALPHAm   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2002 19:23:38 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman); Subject: Re: VMSINSTAL exiting silently after LINK warnings * Message-ID: <aj91vq$p5m$4@web1.cup.hp.com>  a In article <d5440555.0208050355.639074e8@posting.google.com>, soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro) writes:"  D :I'm trying to rebuild an installation kit for an in-house product.   J   PCSI would be my prefered approach, though PCSI will effectively requireJ   you to partition the file installation tasks from the file configuration>   tasks.  PCSI kits are easier to write and faster to install.  D :For some odd reasons, the installation fails with no specific errorB :message. The only problem noticed is: the kitinstal.com links the? :product, and shouts some warnings, then VMSINSTAL abandons the.E :installation. Is maybe the LINK returning some values (no idea) thateB :makes VMSINSTAL barf? Because it never goes further down with theF :KITINSTAL.COM, after the linker messages it simply exits. I tried the@ :OPTIONS D with the VMSINSTAL (as suggested in the newsgroup butG :missing from the VMSINSTAL manual), but something is not right with itwF :as it didn't produce any extra output at all. Ok, it did say (WaitingC :for demon to record initial state... ...done) and warned about theeD :RELEASE_NOTES missing, but that didn't help very much. So I have noG :idea why VMSINSTAL is exiting while linking. Are maybe the compilationtD :warnings seen as bad things? I'm working on the warnings right now,. :but I'm not very optimistic with VMSINSTAL...  H   VMSINSTAL is deliberately quite intolerant of errors within KITINSTAL.  E   You probably "just" need a SET NOON at the top of the KITINSTAL, if E   you want to (try to) override these warnings.  It would be best, of.F   course, to recode and recompile the UPDATE_FILES module to avoid theC   warnings -- fixing the compilation warnings in UPDATE_FILES meansiE   that everybody that installs this kit won't see this error, without D   also requiring you to code something in KITINSTAL to suppress the "   output of the LINK warnings. :-)  J   Building images during a kit installation makes for problematic support,G   and is an approach I prefer to avoid.  This case is clearly one such -F   reason.  There are many others.  If you DO perform this technique, IF   would strongly encourage you to create and to preserve the FULL mapsG   from the LINK operations, and preserve (and since this is an internal H   kit, probably even include within the distribution) the listings files4   associated with the object modules within the kit.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:28:04 -0400n; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>l% Subject: Re: VMSMAIL_PROFILE clean upi$ Message-ID: <3d581a6c$1@news.si.com>  > >Are there any programs or methods that can be use to clean upE >VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA of old users who have been deleted from SYSUAF?   F I have a command procedure I downloaded called BAD_MAIL_NAMES.COM thatK compares VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA entries with entries from SYSUAF and writes aiL command procedure containing VMS Mail REMOVE commands for all mail names notH in the authorization file.  Here's the starting comments.  Sorry for any line wraps.e   The file can be found in; ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/mailuaf_rlb.zip-  - $ if f$mode() .eqs. "BATCH" then set noverify L $!-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- $! $! Bad_Mail_Names.Com  $!K $!      p1 =   NOCOM            shows non-existent usernames and forwarding_ addresshL $!         =   anything else    creates remove-bad-mail-names.com as part of the , $!                              mail message $!I $! Examine the VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DAT file and compare it to a list of validoI $! VMS users.  Report any non-existent users in the VMSMAIL_PROFILE file,bJ $! showing their mail forwarding address, since using VMSMAIL_PROFILE info forgG $! forwarding _is_ a legitimate use of an entry without a correspondingm $! SYSUAF username.g $!K $! By default, within the mail meassage that "bad-mail-names.com" sends you-I $! is the command procedure "remove-bad-mail-names.com".  Extract it from12 $! mail and delete the usernames you want to keep. $!H $! Lines with site-specific definitions are preceded with a comment line $! containing $!!!!r $! $! 18-Jul-1990 Chris Simon $! $! Modifications:o $! $! 23-Aug-1990  Bruce Dowj% $!              STS Consultants, Ltd.< $!              Northbrook, IL9 $!              (708) 272-6520          actual STS officeI9 $!              (217) 328-7221          home telecommuterS $!H $!              adapted to use the features of VMS 5.* mail, so that theL $!              mailuaf.com is not required.  less site-specific definitions $!              needed.  $! $! 24-Aug-1990  Bruce Dowr $!2 $!              format "non-existent" usernames as remove-bad-mail-names.com. $! $! 22-May-1992  Chris SimonU% $!              FMC Corp., Dallas, TX  $!G $!              fix for variable number of header lines in mailuaf.lis. L $!-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- $!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:45:33 +0200o9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t% Subject: Re: VMSMAIL_PROFILE clean upl& Message-ID: <3D581E6D.DE92F98@aaa.com>  7 Now, is a "username" in VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA that isn'tc$ also in the UAF always a bad thing ?  ; I'v set up systems where I'v added a number of mail "users" 
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