1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 13 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 444       Contents: $$$ where to find it?  3076 D Re: %WWW-F-MONTAGAR, not responding, Hobbyist layered license expiry* Re: (the post with the three dollar signs)& Re: AlphaServer DS25 and CD-RW drive ?& re: AlphaServer DS25 and CD-RW drive ?P Re: Announcement: CSWS 1.3 and CSWS_PHP 1.1 beta kits (note concerning OpenSSL) ? Re: Announcment LDAP Directory Synchronizer Utility (LDSU) V2.0 ? Re: Announcment LDAP Directory Synchronizer Utility (LDSU) V2.0 . any OpenVMS 6.2 Documentation online any where Command line DECNET_REGISTER  Re: Command line DECNET_REGISTER Re: Compression on DLT backup  CSWB 1.0 still not updated Re: CSWB 1.0 still not updated Re: DCL question Re: DCL question Re: DCL question( Determining when a file was last opened., Re: Determining when a file was last opened., Re: Determining when a file was last opened., Re: Determining when a file was last opened., Re: Determining when a file was last opened., Re: Determining when a file was last opened., Re: Determining when a file was last opened. Re: FTP 'net to PC to VMS 3 Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines. $ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace? Re: HP's pulling of Compaq call-center contract puzzles Broward  Is there a tape inside ? Re: Is there a tape inside ?. Java plugin performance for interactive applet Re: Job on comp.jobs.contract . Re: Kingston memory modules in AlphaServer 800' RE: List of ASC/ASCQ codes for TL891/2? 2 Re: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMS2 Re: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMS2 Re: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMS2 Re: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMS2 RE: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMS  Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Doc set posted Re: OpenVMS printersI Pass Microsoft certification with minimum effort - Instant Download  9405 & Programming VAX in Fortran source codeH Proposal for incremental backups plus a question re new date-time fieldsL Re: Proposal for incremental backups plus a question re new date-time fields0 Re: RDB Internals course - last ones of the year Re: test, ignore Re: test, ignore types of queue?? Re: types of queue?? Re: types of queue?? RE: types of queue?? Re: types of queue?? Re: uaf  Re: uaf  Re: VAX Routing . Re: VMS Hobbyist User Guide: table of contents VMS to OpenVMS conversion  Re: VMSMAIL_PROFILE clean up VS3100 as an INFOSERVER  XFC 2.0 out in the wild  Re: XFC 2.0 out in the wild * XFC 2.0 patch for VMS V7.3 Alpha  released XFC patch for VMS 7.3 is up..." Re: XFC patch for VMS 7.3 is up...  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:26:43 +0000 (UTC)  From: jgyelt@yahoo.com$ Subject: $$$ where to find it?  30763 Message-ID: <ajajcj$9og$4088@nobel2.pacific.net.sg>   
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 pjrfznkspjxit    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:47:39 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> M Subject: Re: %WWW-F-MONTAGAR, not responding, Hobbyist layered license expiry ' Message-ID: <3D5802CC.4022AE54@Free.fr>    Paul Sture wrote:  >  ../.. K > The expiry of the OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER license also restricts the number of N > logins, so it won't let me login in over my network (at least when I am alsoJ > logged in at at the console - I haven't tried when not logged in there).  L AFAIK, the expiry of the VMS license disallows all logins other than via theN console port, with a message like "No license valid for this software product., Login allowed from OPA0:" or something like.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:46:55 -0400 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>3 Subject: Re: (the post with the three dollar signs) - Message-ID: <0033000076471094000002L042*@MHS>   5 =0AMethinks this nascent publishing giant-to-be is in 6 dire need of assistance with basic sentence structure, grammar and punctuation.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET & Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 5:43 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET# Subject: $$$ where to find it? 3076     
 Hi Everybody,       6 STOP for a moment and ponder about the below sentence.      H IF YOU CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING YOU WILL CONTINUE TO GET WHAT = YOU ARE  GETTING       H For the first time the secret is release to the public, money making re= port for) you to start your own publishing company.       H What is the greatest secret in the internet. Now you can find out the b= est H internet secret out there. Over 4,000 reports with more than 10,000 pag= es of H information and how-to report. Over 50 mb of data this is the secret le= arn all H about it. With full reprint and resell rights your furture is unlimited= .        Check out the full details at        http://ebook.guezs.com              ! DOWNLOAD FREE SOFTWARE AND REPORT            http://ebook.guezs.com pjrfznkspjxit=   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 10:08:05 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) / Subject: Re: AlphaServer DS25 and CD-RW drive ? - Message-ID: <3d58be65.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>   J In article <00A12289.45EEEEE4.21@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes: D |>Just yesterday I found on the Compaq AlphaServer site the new DS25
 |>systems and % |>the related technical documentation G |>(www.compaq.com/alphaserver/ds25/ds25_tech.html). Both the "Technical 
 |>Summary"B |>(page1, text; page 8, block diagram; page 13, side view) and the |>"QuickSpecs"B |>(page 1, side view and text) mention a "read/write" CD-ROM drive |>(partiallyH |>confusing; "CD-R", "CD-RW", "CD-ROM" and "CD R/W" are used to describe |>thatE |>drive); these documents list OpenVMS 7.3-1 as the minimum supported 
 |>version. |>I |>Does this mean that a CD-R(W) drive is now "officially supported" (as a 
 |>writable2 |>device) or "it's there but you can't use it" ??? |>7 |>(A DS25 would be a nice hobbyist system of course :-)  |>	 |>Michael  |>  = The new documents for OpenVMS 7.3-1 now show what's going on:   > The DS25 has an option to get a CD-R(W)-IDE drive. In order to< burn CD-R(W)'s Compaq/HP offers a command file cdrecord.com,E that calls cdrecord. No further infos about the drive and the version  of cdrecord.  ? That's completely OK, but what I don't get is that noone writes ; a mail to me and asks if there were any known problems with D this configuration mentioned above (I'm aware of at least two severe problems.).   E As the person, who is responsible for the OpenVMS part of cdrecord, I H think this a usual procedure and a part of politeness even if the source
 is "free".   A Please do not understand it as an insult: I'm very happy that the A Compaq/HP favours "my" cdrecord, but it's better to get a program  that is free of all known bugs.    eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:25:30 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>/ Subject: re: AlphaServer DS25 and CD-RW drive ? + Message-ID: <00A1265D.BD5E9D03.23@decus.de>   D Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote:   > L > In article <00A12289.45EEEEE4.21@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>	 > writes: F > |>Just yesterday I found on the Compaq AlphaServer site the new DS25 > |>systems and ' > |>the related technical documentation    [...]   K > |>Does this mean that a CD-R(W) drive is now "officially supported" (as a  > |>writable4 > |>device) or "it's there but you can't use it" ???   [...]   ? > The new documents for OpenVMS 7.3-1 now show what's going on:  > @ > The DS25 has an option to get a CD-R(W)-IDE drive. In order to> > burn CD-R(W)'s Compaq/HP offers a command file cdrecord.com,G > that calls cdrecord. No further infos about the drive and the version  > of cdrecord.  1 Missing information is bad information of course.   A > That's completely OK, but what I don't get is that noone writes = > a mail to me and asks if there were any known problems with F > this configuration mentioned above (I'm aware of at least two severe
 > problems.).  > G > As the person, who is responsible for the OpenVMS part of cdrecord, I J > think this a usual procedure and a part of politeness even if the source > is "free".   So do I.  C > Please do not understand it as an insult: I'm very happy that the C > Compaq/HP favours "my" cdrecord, but it's better to get a program ! > that is free of all known bugs.   L That is my personal opinion too. It looks like "You get OpenVMS and a lot ofP shareware/freeware with it. Use it at your own risk." That is what I expect fromM vendors like M$ and similar ones but definitely not from the OpenVMS group at N Compaq/HP for a commercial and "high reliability, high availability" operatingP system. (No offense intended to anybody within the OpenVMS group -- I definitely= do not know who made this decision. Perhaps a marketing guy?)    Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:00:19 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> Y Subject: Re: Announcement: CSWS 1.3 and CSWS_PHP 1.1 beta kits (note concerning OpenSSL)  ' Message-ID: <3D5821E4.28563913@Free.fr>    Nice to see you back Sue. E Please tell the MOZILLA folks at ZK to include the 1.1 patch to CSWB.  Merci.   D.  8 PS: this post posted from Toulouse France at 23:00 GMT+2   Sue Skonetski wrote: >  > Dear Newsgroup, - > As you can see I am now back from vacation.  > Warm Regards,  > Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:51:06 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> H Subject: Re: Announcment LDAP Directory Synchronizer Utility (LDSU) V2.0$ Message-ID: <3d592b00$1@news.si.com>   From Compaq's web site:   4 >LDSU has been sold to over 60 customers worldwide.   < Wow!  60 whole customers??  Hardly a glowing recommendation. --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:53:16 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> H Subject: Re: Announcment LDAP Directory Synchronizer Utility (LDSU) V2.0$ Message-ID: <3d592b81$1@news.si.com>  J >LDSU is an LDAP client which runs on one machine on your network (Windows 2000/NT/XP, Tru64,# >OpenVMS, Linux, Solaris, or HP-UX)   K Not quite.  Runs on OpenVMS Alpha only, although there is no earthly reason ) it should be restricted to that platform.  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 06:18:13 -0700+ From: c00per11242001@yahoo.ca (Vic Mendham) 7 Subject: any OpenVMS 6.2 Documentation online any where = Message-ID: <f7a73cb1.0208130518.1560a197@posting.google.com>   8 I'm looking for an archive of OpenVMS 6.2 Documentation.0 Does anyone know where I could find this online?# This is specifically VAX not Alpha. D I'm hoping to download to our team support Laptop, incase it is ever! needed for any 6.2 support calls.  Regards, c00per11242001@yahoo.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:17:09 +0100 ( From: Ade <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com>% Subject: Command line DECNET_REGISTER 3 Message-ID: <3D58DCA4.EE6DBC51@unnecessary.csc.com>    All,  D I am trying to automate the bulk changing of a nodes address using aD command procedure. PhaseIV is easy, PhaseV is proving to be a little, more difficult. I intend to use the command;   $ dnr :== $decnet_register* $ dnr modify node 'name' address 'address'  B which should in theory work. However, I don't trust it. Tests haveH proved that even if you de-register a node, you can still set host to it - something I find worrying.  E I am obviously missing something very basic here. Can someone give me  some pointers please?    Ade    ===== E If all the world's a stage and we are merely players - I demand a new  script-writer !!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:38:31 +0200 . From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si>) Subject: Re: Command line DECNET_REGISTER / Message-ID: <gh569.292$EM5.11085@news.siol.net>    Hi,   5 "Ade" <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com> wrote in message - news:3D58DCA4.EE6DBC51@unnecessary.csc.com...  > All, > F > I am trying to automate the bulk changing of a nodes address using aF > command procedure. PhaseIV is easy, PhaseV is proving to be a little. > more difficult. I intend to use the command; >  > $ dnr :== $decnet_register, > $ dnr modify node 'name' address 'address' > D > which should in theory work. However, I don't trust it. Tests haveJ > proved that even if you de-register a node, you can still set host to it > - something I find worrying. > G > I am obviously missing something very basic here. Can someone give me  > some pointers please?  >  > Ade  >     + try flush name cache after changes are done   K $mc ncl flush session control naming cache  entry * ! for all cache entries    or  K $mc ncl flush session control naming cache  entry "''name'" ! for just name  cache entry      best, Gorazd     --4 ----------------------------------------------------
 Gorazd Kikelj  OpenVMS system support Aster d.o.o. e-mail: gorazd.kikelj@aster.si www:  www.aster.si   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:22:37 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> & Subject: Re: Compression on DLT backup8 Message-ID: <i8ghlusrk23oh3hm5kt0t0fhb3tlivc9pu@4ax.com>  / On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:19:13 GMT, "Tom Simpson" ! <simpsont@attbi.com.fubar> wrote:    >Allan,  > M >Thanks for the information.  In re-checking the account and system settings,  >I'm sure that is L >most likely the culprit.  I think I was being way too conservative with the >settings so as not F >to impact interactive users while the operators were performing their >pre-backup tasks and   >users were still on the system. > J >A couple of other questions...  How much memory does your system have and >what is theM >channel count sysgen setting?  I think this may also need to be increased on 
 >our systems.   C System has 4GB of memory although we ran with these settings at 1GB E initially. CHANNELCNT is 2047. Our disks, btw, are mirrored stripsets  on dual HSZ80 controllers.    	 >Regards,  >Tom > 3 >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message 3 >news:mb07luglq4qljfmb2geupf3gjcdgh1f8i1@4ax.com... 2 >> On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:53:57 GMT, "Tom Simpson"$ >> <simpsont@attbi.com.fubar> wrote: >> >> > >> >M >> >On our ES40 (VMS 7.2-1, latest "1" patches) with a dedicated SCSI adapter  >> >for G >> >the tape and low system activity, the times almost doubled.  It was  >> >dramatically worse0 >> >when the normal user load was on the system. >>G >> Following quotas are from an ES40 running 7.2-1 with latest patches:  >>< >> Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       600  Bytlm:       128000< >> Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0< >> Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       300  JTquota:       4096< >> Prclm:          10  DIOlm:      4096  WSdef:       200000< >> Prio:            4  ASTlm:      4096  WSquo:       200000< >> Queprio:         0  TQElm:        40  WSextent:   1000000< >> CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:     32767  Pgflquo:    2000000 >>I >> Make sure sysgen channelcnt etc are sufficient. A couple of the quotasWH >> above are set for reasons other than backup. Any  daytime backups runI >> at approx the same speed as the overnight backups with these settings.hE >> YMMV of course. We get over 30GByte/hr backup speeds sustained  towH >> DLT7000 class drives which is approximately the drives rated capacity >> in compressed mode. >> >> >egards,l >> >Tomt >> >6 >> >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message6 >> >news:ed94lukmvcospodup0kkkc4t5mcv0viu1r@4ax.com...5 >> >> On Wed, 07 Aug 2002 23:02:37 GMT, "Tom Simpson"e' >> >> <simpsont@attbi.com.fubar> wrote:o >> >> E >> >> >Expect your Backup times to (at least) double with compressionl >enabled...e >> >>eI >> >> Only if your drive is broken or you are not feeding it fast enough. 6 >> >> Make sure your backup account is properly tuned. >> >>( >> >> >Regards,A
 >> >> >Tom >> >> >p= >> >> >"Virginia Rogers" <vrogers@umich.edu> wrote in messagee* >> >> >news:3D4FDA04.103A5FF9@umich.edu... >> >> >> John Santos wrote:t
 >> >> >> >I >> >> >> > A bunch of the various mount/driver/scsi/backup ECO's affectedrJ >> >> >> > compaction.  I think either the driver forgot the setting underL >> >> >> > various circumstances (you would mount the tape with /compaction,I >> >> >> > but some later event would clear the "compaction enabled" bit,sJ >> >> >> > so the driver would then start writing in uncompacted mode, andH >> >> >> > you would see the "compacted" state change spontaneously), orH >> >> >> > it would neglect to actually set the hardware to the mode youH >> >> >> > had requested (it would show as "compaction enabled", but theH >> >> >> > tape would be writen un-compacted.)  Which ECO's do you have?
 >> >> >> >, >> >> >> John, I'm not sure what ECO's are.! >> >> >>G >> >> >> > Also, the TK89 is a distant descendant of the TK50, which isoF >> >> >> > a streaming drive.  To avoid stop/start cycles, if the dataH >> >> >> > is arriving a little slower than the drive requires, it wouldJ >> >> >> > write null blocks on the tape (which are skipped on read-back).E >> >> >> > I don't know if the TK89 still does the same thing, but ifEF >> >> >> > the 1000A can't pump data to it fast enough, there could beF >> >> >> > a lot of wasted space on the tapes.  Is the tape drive on aG >> >> >> > SCSI bus by itself, or is something else contending with it?-K >> >> >> > Is there a lot of other disk access going on during the backups,rG >> >> >> > or does it basically have the system to itself?  This effectaJ >> >> >> > can be minimized by giving BACKUP as much memory, I/O channels,F >> >> >> > and process quotas as possible.  There is info about tuning* >> >> >> > the backup account in the docs.
 >> >> >> > >> >> >>M >> >> >> I have been mostly trying the backup during the day.  There are lotsr >of  >> >> >otherK >> >> >> drives on the scsi, although probably not very much disk activity.e >I >> >will
 >> >> >try7 >> >> >> it at night and bumping up some of the quotas.  >> >> >>9 >> >> >> Thanks for all of the suggestions from everyone.f >> >> >>J >> >> >> It took me awhile to figure out that depending on when I used the >> >> >/MEDIA=COMPACT K >> >> >> qualifier, a later command might disable it.  However, even when I  >use >> >it
 >> >> >on theDL >> >> >> INIT and BACKUP commands, and make sure the compression light is on >on- >> >the- >> >> >frontF >> >> >> panel, it still doesn't make any difference.  Same thing when	 >manuallyc >> >> >selecting- >> >> >> density override on the front panel.e >> >> >e >> >>D >> >> --
 >> >> Alan >> > >> >> --S >> Alane >    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:39:09 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> # Subject: CSWB 1.0 still not updatedo' Message-ID: <3D57661A.77EAFCA4@Free.fr>e  K To whom it may concern (until someone explains here what superceded the SPRa process and how it works).  I On the HpaQ web site, there is still version 1.0 of the Compaq Secure WebcO Browser based on mozilla. This product has a bug in the FTP processing, leading-M from time to time to an error "starting to download file #1 of type #2" whichaP actually downloads nothing. This bug has been fixed by the MOZ developpers a fewK months ago in MOZILLA V1.1 but does not seem to have been included in CSWB.-   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:17:15 GMTn' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> ' Subject: Re: CSWB 1.0 still not updatedS, Message-ID: <3D593F1C.3060402@theblakes.com>  F The next version of CSWB will contain the fix (and before you ask, it E hasn't been decided yet if the next version of CSWB will be based on   Mozilla 1.1 or Mozilla 1.2).  H And by the way, Mozilla 1.1 hasn't been released yet. Its still in beta.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:17:38 +0200e- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>i Subject: Re: DCL questiona' Message-ID: <3D58A483.97F35D9C@Free.fr>h  ! btw, what is the meaning of this:r   TELNET     /CREATE_SESSION=        Optional. Default: None..  @      Specifies that TELNET should create a pseudodevice (network?      terminal) and connect it to the specified remote port. For <      additional information, see the CREATE_SESSION command.;                                      **********************    D.   Rainer Giese wrote:  > ? > "Brian Hechinger" <wonko@4amlunch.net> schrieb im Newsbeitragk4 > news:20020812213446.G383319@marvin.4amlunch.net...- > > $ READ/PROMPT="" TCP_CONNECTION TEMP$LINEm > M > What do you expect to come from Solaris ? Is there something sending to youa > ?r > M > > hangs, it completely ignores Ctrl/Y, and the only way to stop it is to doc > so > ( > I would try to use /TIMEOUT with READ. > J > Btw., what kind of TCPIP has /CREATE_NTY ? I only know /CREATE_SESSION.E   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Aug 2002 02:54 CDTt' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)d Subject: Re: DCL questione- Message-ID: <13AUG200202543270@gerg.tamu.edu>l  0 "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net> writes...H }Btw., what kind of TCPIP has /CREATE_NTY ? I only know /CREATE_SESSION. }  }--l	 }Regards,s
 }Rainer GieseD   Multinet does.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:04:30 -0400 * From: Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net> Subject: Re: DCL question 8 Message-ID: <20020813100430.F389784@marvin.4amlunch.net>  = On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 07:37:43AM +0200, Rainer Giese wrote:o > - > > $ READ/PROMPT="" TCP_CONNECTION TEMP$LINE> > M > What do you expect to come from Solaris ? Is there something sending to youh > ?5  N are you familiar with netcat?  i wasn't until a couple of days ago.  it's veryM useful for debugging these types os issues.  it opens a listening port on the O Solaris box and then echoes everything that is sent to that port on the screen.t8 same thing can be done with sending.  it's really great.  M > > hangs, it completely ignores Ctrl/Y, and the only way to stop it is to doa > so > ( > I would try to use /TIMEOUT with READ.  M this isn't really an issue, i was more describinb behavior more than anythinguM else to try to help people diagnos this.  /TIMEOUT doesn't help me if i can'tn5 ever read anything, sorta makes my script useless. ;)p  I > Btw., what kind of TCPIP has /CREATE_NTY ? I only know /CREATE_SESSION.o  K MULTINET.  i don't have docs on my system for /CREAET_SESSION, is that UCX?1   -brian -- 5 she manipulates my language			|u) the scion of a cunning goddess			| Fridge2  and i *am* but a MAN				| Magnet) watching my gratuitous torment			| Poetryd not looking herculean				|   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 02:33:38 -0700) From: radgen@yahoo.com (Harry Williamson)d1 Subject: Determining when a file was last opened.o= Message-ID: <77f8d7ee.0208130133.34df74ba@posting.google.com>e  C I am trying to clean up a lot of old unused crap we have sitting onDF our harddrives.  Problem is that with a lot of the files, no one knowsE for sure if they are still being used by any of our processes.  I canu= determine when a file was last written to easy enough.  "LastSE Modified" tells me that.  What I need is something that tells me when)D a file was last opened period, write or read.  I might be missing an8 obvious answer, but I can't seem to find an easy answer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:39:58 +0200s9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 5 Subject: Re: Determining when a file was last opened.s' Message-ID: <3D58D3EE.29849593@aaa.com>o   What kind of operating system ?e VMS ?b   Jan-Erik Sderholm.p   Harry Williamson wrote:o > E > I am trying to clean up a lot of old unused crap we have sitting onrH > our harddrives.  Problem is that with a lot of the files, no one knowsG > for sure if they are still being used by any of our processes.  I cana? > determine when a file was last written to easy enough.  "Last G > Modified" tells me that.  What I need is something that tells me wheneF > a file was last opened period, write or read.  I might be missing an: > obvious answer, but I can't seem to find an easy answer.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 05:51:13 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)a5 Subject: Re: Determining when a file was last opened. 3 Message-ID: <amrNfwwynhUt@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  i In article <77f8d7ee.0208130133.34df74ba@posting.google.com>, radgen@yahoo.com (Harry Williamson) writes:aE > I am trying to clean up a lot of old unused crap we have sitting onnH > our harddrives.  Problem is that with a lot of the files, no one knowsG > for sure if they are still being used by any of our processes.  I can ? > determine when a file was last written to easy enough.  "Last G > Modified" tells me that.  What I need is something that tells me whenfF > a file was last opened period, write or read.  I might be missing an: > obvious answer, but I can't seem to find an easy answer.  C If you have enabled expiration date processing on the volume, files,B that are accessed will have their expiration date updated.  At anyB point in time, those with very old expiration dates (including 0), have not been accessed.2   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 06:16:40 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)d5 Subject: Re: Determining when a file was last opened.r3 Message-ID: <NQud72GDct86@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <yEH6gnAPaSMz@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>, huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) writes:sk > In article <77f8d7ee.0208130133.34df74ba@posting.google.com>, radgen@yahoo.com (Harry Williamson) writes: F >> I am trying to clean up a lot of old unused crap we have sitting onI >> our harddrives.  Problem is that with a lot of the files, no one knows1H >> for sure if they are still being used by any of our processes.  I can@ >> determine when a file was last written to easy enough.  "LastH >> Modified" tells me that.  What I need is something that tells me whenG >> a file was last opened period, write or read.  I might be missing an ; >> obvious answer, but I can't seem to find an easy answer.p > J > I think I read in an announcement (already VMS 7.3-1 ??), there will be M > a usage date for VMS files (there is an "Effective usage" field already in  + > directory/full, but not filled up to 7.3.   B That is just for Unix compatibility, with the full overhead of theC Unix approach.  For the casual use indicated by the original posterpF the longstanding VMS expiration date mechanism is much more efficient.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 13:10:44 +0200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)M5 Subject: Re: Determining when a file was last opened. + Message-ID: <yEH6gnAPaSMz@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>1  i In article <77f8d7ee.0208130133.34df74ba@posting.google.com>, radgen@yahoo.com (Harry Williamson) writes:eE > I am trying to clean up a lot of old unused crap we have sitting on H > our harddrives.  Problem is that with a lot of the files, no one knowsG > for sure if they are still being used by any of our processes.  I can-? > determine when a file was last written to easy enough.  "Last G > Modified" tells me that.  What I need is something that tells me whenGF > a file was last opened period, write or read.  I might be missing an: > obvious answer, but I can't seem to find an easy answer.  H I think I read in an announcement (already VMS 7.3-1 ??), there will be K a usage date for VMS files (there is an "Effective usage" field already in r) directory/full, but not filled up to 7.3.'  ) For existting files probably no help now.oJ For the nearer future You could eventually play with SET FILE/EXPIRATION .   --: Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Max-Planck-Institut Physik,Muenchen, : http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber                            ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 07:40:16 -0700) From: radgen@yahoo.com (Harry Williamson) 5 Subject: Re: Determining when a file was last opened. = Message-ID: <77f8d7ee.0208130640.37460265@posting.google.com>g  h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<amrNfwwynhUt@eisner.encompasserve.org>...k > In article <77f8d7ee.0208130133.34df74ba@posting.google.com>, radgen@yahoo.com (Harry Williamson) writes:yG > > I am trying to clean up a lot of old unused crap we have sitting onaJ > > our harddrives.  Problem is that with a lot of the files, no one knowsI > > for sure if they are still being used by any of our processes.  I can A > > determine when a file was last written to easy enough.  "LastsI > > Modified" tells me that.  What I need is something that tells me wheneH > > a file was last opened period, write or read.  I might be missing an< > > obvious answer, but I can't seem to find an easy answer. > E > If you have enabled expiration date processing on the volume, files D > that are accessed will have their expiration date updated.  At anyD > point in time, those with very old expiration dates (including 0), > have not been accessed.s   Vax/Vms is the OS   B In anycase it looks like the expiration date is the most promisingE avenue.   There are still a couple things I need to examine, but thisa- helps a lot.  Thanks for the quick responses..   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:00:07 -0400-; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>l5 Subject: Re: Determining when a file was last opened.n$ Message-ID: <3d592d1d$1@news.si.com>  K >What I need is something that tells me when a file was last opened period,m write or read.   See HELP SET VOLUME/RETENTIONl --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comsA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comt= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:49:00 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: FTP 'net to PC to VMS5 Message-ID: <wu569.155950$cU1.4899103@news.chello.at>m  c In article <3sbgluooesmj71bnqsoijsmb40klbvv6sq@4ax.com>, Mr Beermat <beermat.geo@yahoo.com> writes:sF >I'm trying to get the VXT MOP downloadable software from the FreewareF >VMS CD (http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/vxt/) to myD >MicroVAX3100 running OpenVMS VAX 7.2 (hobbyist) with TCPIP, but I'm@ >having problems with the file attributes (bad record size etc).F >meaning that when I try a VMSINSTAL, it complains of CRC errors etc. E >I tried a "set file /att:LRL:2048" and also a 9000 byte record size,i >but still get the CRC errors.    + 	$ SET FILE/ATT=(RAT=NONE,RFM=FIX,LRL=9216)a  E >I'm trying the .ZIP file that's in that dir & hoping that will unzipr0 >on my VMS system with the right file attributes > F >Are there any rules or techniques for FTPing files across with PCs inF >the middle that I can reliably use, or must one always .ZIP (or otherG >compression tool) save_sets etc up before transferring them across thef! >'net through PCs and onto VAXen?   E ZIP is the safer way (if it is a more current zip which preserves VMS C attributes). But in general, you only need to know what file format I which file has and how (and how often) to convert them. And how to create.G a backup saveset and check for the correct file attributes of course...    -- y Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERr% Network and OpenVMS system specialistu E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Aug 2002 13:08:54 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)< Subject: Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines.6 Message-ID: <ajb0d5$19ual2$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  * In article <aj9lv0$1dm$1@web1.cup.hp.com>,5 	hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  > H >   The VCB02 (also known as the GPX and the "dragon") controller is theF >   usual controller for the Q-bus series, while the VCB01 (also knownL >   as the QVSS) controller was used on the earlier members of the series.   > H >   Support for VCB01 was not available on the later of the Q-bus seriesJ >   processors, starting circa KA650, and with VAXstation 3200, VAXstationI >   3500, and later systems.   The VCB01 is thus only typically found on uL >   the VAXstation I series and on the monochrome variants in the VAXstation >   II series. >   L In light of this discussion, was there ever any support in the QBUS PDP-11'sH for any of this graphic hardware??  Did any of the PDP OSes ever support4 any kind of graphics beyond things like Tek-4010's??   bill   -- nJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   b   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:05:45 -0400h- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>h- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replaceT6 Message-ID: <ajbap2$19m12g$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>  ; "Alan E. Feldman" <SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM> wrote in messagea7 news:343f30ae.0208080811.2e367b88@posting.google.com... , > sasadmin <jec@nospam.net> wrote in message. news:<87lm7ibcq3.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>...+ > > paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:o > >e > > > David Gray wrote:> > > >tJ > > > >Never really used EDT.  Is this likely to be quicker than TPU? Does this not > >e; > > Although TPU is orders of magnitude(!) faster than EDT,y >s >,E > Wrong!! Sometimes TPU is slower and incorrect!!! See example at thef > end. >...  L Sorry, your example shows that EVE is sometimes slower and incorrect (if the7 person who wrote the EVE code does not understand EVE).   K The reason you get the message "feature needs a terminal" is because EVE issJ trying to ask the question "Found in reverse direction. Go there [Y]?" YouG can test this by using the command "EDIT/TPU HUH.LIS /INIT=5" (drop theuL "/NODISPLAY") and seeing what happens. Since you were running the command inG a .COM and did not assign SYS$COMMAND the default "Y" was taken and you> replaced the previous strings.  J The reason some of the substitutions were missed was because EVE asked theJ question "Found in reverse direction (may have already replaced). Go thereL [N]?" Since you were running the command in a .COM the default "N" was taken: and some changes that should have happened did not happen.  K To correct the missed substitutions reset your position to the start of thetF buffer before every replace. If you want to continue to program in EVEK rather than program in TPU then you will continue to get the "feature needssE a terminal" warning since you may get the "may have already replaced"> message from time to time.  L The "difference" you reported from 6.1 to 6.2 is actually caused by the factK that in 6.1 you used a .COM to execute your command. In 6.2 you entered theeE command at the DCL prompt. EVE is trying to ask you "Found in reverseAJ direction. Go there [Y]?" but you told TPU not to display the message thatI EVE wants to ask. Just keep pressing <RETURN> until you have answered allrC the questions that EVE asks, or press CTRL-C once like someone elsez1 mentioned, but CTRL-C doesn't seem as nice to me.   L Like Kenneth said, program in TPU rather than in EVE and you can avoid theseF problems. This will also let you avoid the "abc-xyz, Abc-Xyz, aBc-xYz"K problem that someone thought was a good idea. I do not recall if there is a J way in EVE to turn that off and I don't have the time to search for it nowF but if I get a few seconds and I remember then I'll take a look later.   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:40:46 GMTa1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)eH Subject: Re: HP's pulling of Compaq call-center contract puzzles Broward: Message-ID: <yZ069.81941$Yd.3712247@twister.austin.rr.com>  3 Atlant Schmidt (atlantnospam@mindspring.com) wrote:g9 : As I recall, Broward County was one of many counties ini9 : Florida that ended up "voting" for unbridled capitalisma; : way back in 2000. (Whether the people actually voted thate2 : way or not is, of course, a different question.) : 3 : County officials shouldn't complain now when theyn: : find HP simply exercising the very principles the county : officials supported. : 2 : If the trend is unchecked, *ALL* of our jobs are1 : likely to move to Bangalore and similar places.  :   E The use of "trend" implies that someone is keeping score on offshore DG job relocations, which isn't the case in the U.S., where NO government oF agency is charted to track offshore job relocations and the resultant  loss of tax revenue.  D The next xray you have may be interpreted by a radiologist in India  (URL wrapped to 2 lines):   0    http://www.siliconindia.com/shownewsdata.asp?"    newsno=16072&newscat=Technology1    India to provide clinical services to the U.S.t    m    Friday, July 19, 2002    iH   "BANGALORE: Harnessing its highly developed information technology andF    medical skills, India will soon provide emergency room services and>    clinical process outsourcing (CPO) to hospitals in the U.S.  G    The first step towards extending remote healthcare services has been-H    taken by Indian IT major Wipro's healthcare and life science businessF    division, which has tied up with a major hospital at Massachusetts.C    Images of the radiology scans from the unnamed hospital would be0E    viewed here at the Manipal hospital, which has got the outsourcingTF    contract from Wipro. The reports would be sent back in the shortest!    possible time by radiologists.h  F    "Of course the radiologists will be supervised by our professionalsH    who have American medical degrees. They could be Americans or IndiansD    with American degrees. Like business process outsourcing, this isF    clinical process outsourcing," says D.A. Prasanna, vice chairman ofI    Wipro limited and chief executive officer of Wipro healthcare and life     science.t  G    The supervisory staff for the CPO would be part of Team Wipro, whichtD    would set up a center for excellence shortly here in India's techG    capital. "Our next step would in areas like pathology and cardiologya@    as well as emergency room services soon," Prasanna told IANS.  F    "There are two challenges that hospitals face in the U.S. One is ofF    productivity and the other is of clinical process. The hospital, inE    fact, has 650 IT professionals in the hospital and they may not beaI    replaced if they leave. We will be filling up the gap for the hospital     from here..."  E The unnamed hospital is rumored to be Massachusetts General Hospital.-  ? The UK software industry is in the same predicament as its U.S. F equivalent. Here's a 3-part article itled "The Government Has Decided 7 to Sacrifice UK Software Industry" by  Gerry McLaughlin     0    http://www.contractoruk.co.uk/news040702.html3    Has UK software industry been 'sacrificed'? Pt.1t  ;   "This is the first in a topical 3-part series provided bybH    NamesFacesPlaces which suggests alternative reasons for the existenceD    of the 'Skills Shortage' list, the import of tens of thousands ofE    overseas workers during a ferocious downturn, and what can be donee    about it..."t  0    http://www.contractoruk.co.uk/news080702.html3    Has UK software industry been 'sacrificed'? Pt.2-  0    http://www.contractoruk.co.uk/news100702.html3    Has UK software industry been 'sacrificed'? Pt.3u  &    Government Doesn't Hate Contractors  E   "...I was never convinced when people said that this Government hasaE    something against contractors and the IT profession in general ande@    that they are willfully seeking to destroy it, out of envy or*    whatever. This never rang true with me.  @    It looks like they have nothing against contractors or the ITH    profession at all. It's just that a worldwide decision was taken someI    time ago, in collusion with the western world's major businesses, thatID    their software industries were to be sacrificed to the developingB    countries, in order to retain competitive advantage in our coreI    added-value businesses, which would remain off-limit to the developing E    world. It was a pure 'bean count' decision and we were the losers.n      Let the Sun Shine  D    Well, what can we do about it? Fight, and fight like hell to lookG    after our interests. The Government is not going to help us here, nolD    matter how emollient we are with them. The reason that the UK andE    other Governments don't publish what they are really doing is thatsG    they have the small problem of electors and elections, and they knowhG    that if their electors get a whiff of this decision then it would gonI    badly for them which is why we must do it. What we must do is to bring.C    it to the attention of the only people who can stop them - theirn    respective electorates..."g  @ The Australian government has the candor (stupidity?) to be open about their policy:v  =    http://old.smh.com.au/news/0112/04/national/national1.htmla:    Blueprint for bosses: dump workers and head for Delhi -    smh.com.au - National  E   "Australian companies should consider moving operations to India to-9    exploit lower wages, says a Federal Government report.-  H    For operations ranging from call centres to software development, the@    report says there would be substantial cost savings in India.  C    It is the clearest Government endorsement yet of a strategy thateC    Australian-based companies are increasingly adopting to maximise0I    returns in a globalised economy. The Department of Foreign Affairs andsD    Trade's economic analytical unit produced the report - India: new    economy, old economy..."b    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emails   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:26:35 +0200 ; From: "Thomas Egenberger" <thomas.egenberger@technidata.de>l! Subject: Is there a tape inside ?e@ Message-ID: <ajafrk$c76$1@newsreader1.lb-lan.ka.de.kpnqwest.net>  H Is there a posibility from DCL to decide whether a tape is inserted in a TLZ-Drive or not.VJ I tried nearly all items of F$GETDVI, but no one shows, if there is a tape inside.a   Any other ideas ?    Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:23:00 +0100,( From: Martyn <mpattKNICKERS@bigfoot.com>% Subject: Re: Is there a tape inside ?h( Message-ID: <3D58DE04.60005@bigfoot.com>   Thomas Egenberger wrote:  I >Is there a posibility from DCL to decide whether a tape is inserted in a3 >TLZ-Drive or not.K >I tried nearly all items of F$GETDVI, but no one shows, if there is a tapel >inside. >  >Any other ideas ? >M >Thanksm >p >e >  >  a >c: Try and mount it, if it succeeds do a $DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD .     -- m, Remove KNICKERS before replying by Email ;-)   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 09:32:33 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)7 Subject: Java plugin performance for interactive applete= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0208130832.57a5ad03@posting.google.com>   @ System: PWS600AU, 4MB cache, 1GB RAM, DEC UWSE disks on embedded+ controller, PowerStorm 4D10T video (blech).   E Software: OpenVMS V7.2-1, Java V1.3.1-3 JRE (not the full SDK), MotifbE V1.2-5 (CDE), TCPIP V5.1 eco 4, Mozilla 1.0.  All VMS and Motif classd> 1 patches up to 31 July (including the latest UPDATE), and allA required patches for JAVA have been installed.  This system is at ? V7.2-1 and Motif 1.2.5 because I still need Display Postscript.   D The system and user parameters recommended in the Java release notesF have been followed, with the following exceptions: PGFLQUO is lower atD 1250000 (due to limits on pagefile size soon to be corrected), BIOLMA and DIOLM are higher at 200 based on Mozilla recommendations, and2@ WSQUOTA and WSEXTENT are much larger (65536 and 262144, WSMAX atC 262144).  The working sets were raised progressively as a test fromfB where Mozilla was running comfortably, though initial improvementsF petered out below these numbers so they will come back down somewhat. C The user account is non-priv'd, and only two DECterms (one startingo" Mozilla) are active on the system.  C One site I need to work with uses Java to provide what amounts to apF 'telnet-like' interactive client that pops up in its own window.  WhenB the window opens, CPU goes to 100% and stays there, with about 60%F being DECW$SERVER_0, the remainder being the subprocess running Java. E There is a very high rate of BIOs from the Java process, even with no C activity.  Based on the very slow response to typed input (althoughwC displayed output comes through quickly enough, and carriage returns B are processed almost instantly, even before text that preceded theD <CR> is processed if you don't wait) and the flickering of the inputA cursor, it feels like its sitting in a loop polling for input andeB consuming CPU.  A quick look at the process channels showed two BGC devices open to LOCALHOST that were perpetually busy.   There is noiB indication of a quota problem that I could see while watching fromD another process, and no indication that either process is going into RWMBX or other wait state.  @ Performance is bad enough to be unusable.  This same applet runs@ passably (not fast, but usable) on a 200MHz Power Mac 9600 and a 330MHz K6-2 PC (both 128MB).  F The only performance recommendations I've found so far (other than theD quota changes already tried and installing various images) were someE mentions in older release notes to try the JAVA$FORK_MAILBOX_MESSAGESn; and/or JAVA$EXEC_USE_PIPES logicals, but thats for tonight.   B I'm not sure if there's really a way to get this running better orE not, especially without access to the 'source'.  It might just be onepD of those things were java's unfortunate unix-centricity is at fault,A or perhaps the app is written in less than ideal fashion but good1C enough for other implementations, but if anyone has any thoughts on:E things to try I'd love to hear it.  This would be a huge step towardscC getting billyware out of my house entirely.  Sorry, getting an EV6x,E box is not in the cards, the 600au is the big box for the time being.T   Thanks for any assistance.   Rich Jordan    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:02:20 +0200c- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>t& Subject: Re: Job on comp.jobs.contract' Message-ID: <3D58063D.8D09A908@Free.fr>.   which address?   D.   sasadmin wrote:c > - > There's a job posting on comp.jobs.contract/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:14:58 -0500r/ From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com>27 Subject: Re: Kingston memory modules in AlphaServer 800p8 Message-ID: <0fqhlu85tgbgfu7vnnuoipmk381nadn7c2@4ax.com>  S The AS800 uses EDO ECC  buffered DIMMS.  If you get memory for a Proliant 6500, fornA example - this works fine in the AlphaServer 800, DEC 3300R, etc.o   Clay  J On Wed, 07 Aug 2002 18:35:37 +0930, Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au> wrote:   >Hi, > I >I've recently acquired a refurbished AlphaServer 800.  It has only 128MB K >memory so I'd like to put a whole lot more in before commissioning it.  MyfN >preferred reseller has quoted $AUD2400 for 1GB DEC memory or $AUD1300 for the >Kingston equivalent.d >eK >He will happily supply either brand but his technical staff have warned meTL >that they had a lot of problems with Kingston memory in AS800 systems a fewK >years back: systems would crash with memory errors due to timing problems.( > O >This is the first time I've heard a bad word said against Kingston but I don't5F >doubt the sincerity of the comments made by the reseller.  Can anyone >corroborate the error reports?  >b >Thanks, >I >        Jeremy Begg > > >  +---------------------------------------------------------+> >  |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              |> >  |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  |> >  |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        |> >  |---------------------------------------------------------|> >  | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au |> >  | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    |> >  |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      |> >  |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    |> >  +---------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:27:14 -0400 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>0 Subject: RE: List of ASC/ASCQ codes for TL891/2?- Message-ID: <0033000076467967000002L072*@MHS>0   =0AThanks for asking, Paul-n  < Found 'em in pages 5-152 - 5-154 of the DLT7000 manual which, is downloadable in .PDF format from Quantum.  ? However, I suspect that there are some TZ89-specific variationse7 to these codes, or at least to the definitions thereof.    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETa% Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:25 PM:B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET0 Subject: RE: List of ASC/ASCQ codes for TL891/2?    = "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> writes:2   > Anybody got one?  A > They're really Quantum DLT7000s Compaq-branded as TZ89s inside.c  @ I have seen the manual for them, about 1" thinck, and listed all? the codes, return values, format bumph, you name it. So it doesr= exist. Have you given Quantums web site a good dredging over?h& EK-*TZ8*-TM will be close for a guess.   --< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda..@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.G EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.=d   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:01:42 GMTv* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>; Subject: Re: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMShA Message-ID: <G1369.223126$nm.9263093@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>h  7 "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net> wrote in messagea0 news:aja6ho$19halc$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de... >iH > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag& > news:aj97gh$rkb$1@web1.cup.hp.com...J > > Note that the OpenVMS time display and manipulation routines allow forI > > only 4 digits in the 'YEAR' field.  We expect this to be corrected ind> > > a future release of OpenVMS sometime prior to 31-DEC-9999. >nK > Btw., anyone knows, why 57 is used as threshold between 19xx and 20xx, ifo > using a two-digit-year ?  G Perhaps because there were precious few 2-digit digital dates generatedtJ prior to 1957 (most languages still in use aren't quite that old) and evenI fewer in digital form still lurking around being used, and they wanted to1H extend the unambiguous range as long as possible to minimize the chancesG that there might still be problems when the unambiguous range runs out?E   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 05:47:29 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMSl3 Message-ID: <uWpKjUrDtWCF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <aja6ho$19halc$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>, "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net> writes:P > H > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag& > news:aj97gh$rkb$1@web1.cup.hp.com...I >> Note that the OpenVMS time display and manipulation routines allow for H >> only 4 digits in the 'YEAR' field.  We expect this to be corrected in= >> a future release of OpenVMS sometime prior to 31-DEC-9999.l > K > Btw., anyone knows, why 57 is used as threshold between 19xx and 20xx, ifo > using a two-digit-year ?  A I thought that was only on Alpha, but jokingly presumed it was intC memory of the departed Heinz "57" sign in Cambridge, Massachusetts.:   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:29:40 GMTR? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson)e; Subject: Re: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMSt0 Message-ID: <3d58ed37.14486200@news.demon.co.uk>  @ I'm not sure either, but had presumed that it had to do with the founding date for DEC.   Jim.  F On 13 Aug 2002 05:47:29 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  f >In article <aja6ho$19halc$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>, "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net> writes: >>  I >> "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragp' >> news:aj97gh$rkb$1@web1.cup.hp.com...*J >>> Note that the OpenVMS time display and manipulation routines allow forI >>> only 4 digits in the 'YEAR' field.  We expect this to be corrected in > >>> a future release of OpenVMS sometime prior to 31-DEC-9999. >> tL >> Btw., anyone knows, why 57 is used as threshold between 19xx and 20xx, if >> using a two-digit-year ?t >aB >I thought that was only on Alpha, but jokingly presumed it was inD >memory of the departed Heinz "57" sign in Cambridge, Massachusetts.   Jim Johnson& Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:47:41 -0500e$ From: "Art Beane" <beane@petris.com>; Subject: Re: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMSc7 Message-ID: <007201c242e0$c1ec6dc0$342810ac@petris.com>s  G I had always thought that that date was the date of the founding of thecG Smithsonian Institution and never looked it up. So, now I did. It turnseA out that there are lots of dates that could be the founding date,aD ranging from July 11, 1836 when Richard Rush was appointed as the US> Agent for claiming the bequest. But my search for "foundation,- Smithsonian Institution" also retrieved this:o  ;    At festivities including Masonic ceremonies attended by i9    six to seven thousand persons, the cornerstone of the  =    Smithsonian Institution Building is laid. The occasion is l;    regarded in Washington as a public holiday. Festivities n>    include a mile-long procession from City Hall at Judiciary >    Square to the White House and then via Pennsylvania Avenue >    to the south side of the site. William Beverly Randolph was>    appointed Grand Marshall by the Board of Regents. The gavel=    used and the apron worn by the Masonic Grand Master of ther<    District of Columbia, B. B. French, are the same as thoseA    used by George Washington during the laying of the cornerstone @    at the Capitol. Inscription on the cornerstone reads: "On the=    1st day of May, 1847, was laid, in the city of Washington,p=    this foundation-stone of a building to be appropriated for ;    the Smithsonian Institution; founded by bequest of Jamesy     Smithson, of Great Britain."       	 Art Beane  Petris Technology, Inc.e 1900 St. James Place, Suite 700h Houston, TX 77056i Phone: 713-403-8423c Fax: 713-956-2185p http://www.petris.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:58:18 -0700p# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ; Subject: RE: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMSh9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIELPFIAA.tom@kednos.com>   B It may be a false assumption that the date had anything more to do) with other than the length of a register.b   >-----Original Message-----u* >From: Art Beane [mailto:beane@petris.com]' >Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:48 AMm >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< >Subject: Re: November 17, 1858 - Why is it important to VMS >e >nH >I had always thought that that date was the date of the founding of theH >Smithsonian Institution and never looked it up. So, now I did. It turnsB >out that there are lots of dates that could be the founding date,E >ranging from July 11, 1836 when Richard Rush was appointed as the USa? >Agent for claiming the bequest. But my search for "foundation,s. >Smithsonian Institution" also retrieved this: >i< >   At festivities including Masonic ceremonies attended by : >   six to seven thousand persons, the cornerstone of the > >   Smithsonian Institution Building is laid. The occasion is < >   regarded in Washington as a public holiday. Festivities ? >   include a mile-long procession from City Hall at Judiciary r? >   Square to the White House and then via Pennsylvania Avenue o? >   to the south side of the site. William Beverly Randolph wasn? >   appointed Grand Marshall by the Board of Regents. The gaveli> >   used and the apron worn by the Masonic Grand Master of the= >   District of Columbia, B. B. French, are the same as thosetB >   used by George Washington during the laying of the cornerstoneA >   at the Capitol. Inscription on the cornerstone reads: "On then> >   1st day of May, 1847, was laid, in the city of Washington,> >   this foundation-stone of a building to be appropriated for< >   the Smithsonian Institution; founded by bequest of James! >   Smithson, of Great Britain." n >h >k >h
 >Art Beane >Petris Technology, Inc.  >1900 St. James Place, Suite 700 >Houston, TX 77056 >Phone: 713-403-8423 >Fax: 713-956-2185 >http://www.petris.com >t >a >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).r@ >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 >  ---t& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002n   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:47:34 -0700 (PDT)a. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Doc set postede@ Message-ID: <20020813104734.63571.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>   When this site will become   www.openvms.hp.com ?????     REgardst   FC t3 --- warren sander <warren.sander@compaq.com> wrote:a6 > The 7.3-1 Doc set has been posted on the OpenVMS Doc	 > server.t > , > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ and/or# > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc  > 	 > -warrene >  > -- >cB ------------------------------------------------------------------. > Warren Sander                        OpenVMS > Marketing - > Hewlett-Packard Company              Work:   > warren.sander@remove.hp.com 0 > 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: > sander@remove.ma.ultranet.coms5 > Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875.0 >    My opinions are my own and I only speak for > myself. >          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ >VB ------------------------------------------------------------------ >  >  >      =====n ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?& HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:43:10 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: OpenVMS printersh@ Message-ID: <20020813104310.27007.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>  / As HP bought Compaq (which bought DEC) we would ( ask them to enable the HP Printers  with% the DECPrinters' firmware and program  them  as an option ! :-)))   Regards    FC c0 --- Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote: >  > In article3 > <c1243f29.0208050100.ecbe4d1@posting.google.com>,t2 > PeterMoreton@hotmail.com (Peter Moreton) writes: > 0 > :I have to help a customer to specify some new > printers for OpenVMS2 > :systems, and looking on the Digital, Compaq, HP > website, I can only / > :find HP laserjet style printers. No 'proper'  > digital printers like Ic2 > :used to use years ago (eg: LN03, LG series etc) > : 2 > :Can someone update me with the current practise > regarding OpenVMS1. > :printing, is it not possible to buy Digital > printers, do we now use HP1 > :as standard, how are the printer control codess > setup? > :l6 > :I remember under OpenVMS 5.5 having to write my own > printer controli5 > :libraries to be able to properly manage forms etc.  > Is this still the0& > :case under current versions of VMS? > 3 >   Please see the DECprint Services (DCPS) product  > for the list of that, >   product's supported Postscript printers. > 3 >   For an introduction to TCP/IP Services printingn > and to various IPe3 >   printing topics, please see topic (1020) in thed > Ask The Wizard area. > 3 >   OpenVMS itself does not have any particular norn > specific support for4 >   new or recent printers, leaving this support and > this testing to then& >   DCPS and TCP/IP Services packages. >  > 2 >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> > ----------------------------- 5 >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --g > www.openvms.compaq.com    4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > ---------------------------B3 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  g > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >      =====o ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?& HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:19:25 +0000 (UTC)n From: wsvukv@yahoo.comR Subject: Pass Microsoft certification with minimum effort - Instant Download  94052 Message-ID: <ajaiut$k1n$4088@nobel.pacific.net.sg>  $ http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/WEE1550/  $ http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/WEE1550/        - Instant Downloada    - Instant Downloada    - Instant Downloado       You work hard for it, you study hard for it. 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I do not have any hobbysit TU77 :-)   Thanks   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 08:00:10 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)Q Subject: Proposal for incremental backups plus a question re new date-time fieldsm= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0208130700.3ee6aab6@posting.google.com>e   Hello fellow VMS-ers:7  < Here's my proposal for improving incremental backups on VMS:  E Add a new date-time field to all .DIR files which is to be updated tosD the current date-time *only* when the name of the .DIR file changes.F (I suppose that this field might have to be added to all files, but itF would only be used for .DIR files for incremental backups.) Let's call this the "Renamed" field.   F Then, when using BACKUP ... /SINCE=BACKUP, BACKUP would save all filesF in all subdirectories under any .DIR file for which this new date-timeA field has a value larger than that of its backup date-time field.c  E This way, we only save entire directory trees when we really need to.tC You could then modify directories left and right without triggeringt= the new "save the whole tree" strategy unless the name of thetE directory changed, which is the only time you would want that anyway.tC IOW, using the Modified date-time catches too many files. Using theo? Renamed date-time would catch only those that are truly needed.g   Comments please: -   Would this work?% Would this be difficult to implement?   Is there something I overlooked? Disadvantages?  E We now have the new date-time fields "Recording" and "Effective". Why 	 not this?   E And was anything special needed to be done to add these Recording and-> Effective date-time fields to disks that didn't have them yet?   Thanks.    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanr a.feldman^gfigroup^com$ remove the dot, change ^'s as needed   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:30:46 +0100 (MET)|9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-U Subject: Re: Proposal for incremental backups plus a question re new date-time fieldsu; Message-ID: <01KL9BY6K6DE96Z9MP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>.  > > Here's my proposal for improving incremental backups on VMS:   Interesting suggestion.7  G Consider also that changing the protection might be a reason to change 4 the date....   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:45:51 -0700 (PDT)t. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>9 Subject: Re: RDB Internals course - last ones of the year @ Message-ID: <20020813104551.63423.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>   Oh my God !   + RDB is almost in extinction here in Brazil.o- There arent courses available from Oracle BR.c. We must ask them to bring someone from US with3 the minimal quorum of 8 (eight).... it is difficult 3 to find people interested to learn RDB. Here at the? company we are just 3 (three).   Regardsq   FC d1 --- Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>e wrote:0 > We've found that our customers who invest in a > thorough understanding > 4 > of Oracle Rdb get the most out of their investment > in the product.r > 1 > Have you always wanted to know why Oracle Rdb'sR > optimizer chooses the  > 2 > strategies it does? Would you like to be able to > read Rdb's bugcheckm > 1 > dumps? Do you know how Rdb chooses the pages ons > which it stores newC > 3 > records? Do you know what is actually stored on at > database page? If  > 3 > you'd like to know the answers to these questions- > and dozens ofe > 4 > others, plan to attend one of these 2002 offerings > of the popular Rdb > 0 > Internals course, now updated for version 7.1. > - > * Laren, Netherlands on September 2-6, 2002p > 1 > * Nashua, New Hampshire on September 9-13, 2002m > 2 > These courses will not be offered again in 2002. > 0 > You can read a complete course description and > register for the Laren >  > offering at, > $ > http://www.vxcompany.com/?s=2&m=35 > . > You can read about the Nashua, New Hampshire
 > offering atf >  > @ http://www.jcc.com/New%20Seminars/Desc%20-%20Rdb%20Internals.htm > 3 > To register for the United States offering, go to1 >  >9A http://www.jcc.com/New%20Seminars/JCC%20Seminar%20Home%20Page.htm9 > ! > or call JCC at +1-740-587-0157.e > 6 > The instructor for this course will be Mark Bradley. > Mark has a great > 2 > combination of excellent presentation skills and > thorough knowledge ofe > 6 > the Rdb product. He is the author of the most recent > revisions to > 3 > this course. I hope you'll take advantage of thist > unique learninge >  > opportunity. > 4 > While you are checking out these course offerings, > notice also the- > 2 > other courses that our training partners have to > offer including aL > 3 > four day Database Query Tuning and Locking course  > offered by JCC the > / > week of August 19th and the five day Database  > Performance and Tuning > 5 > course offered by VX Company September 16-20, 2002.l > Software Concepts  > 3 > International plans to offer a 5 day CODASYL DBMSe > Administration class >   > on September 23-27, 2002. (See+ > http://www.sciinc.com/training/index.htm)a >  > Best regards,o > 
 > Kevin Duffys > ! > Oracle Rdb Development Directoro >  >rC -------------------------------------------------------------------9 > 0 > We sent you this mail because of your business > relationship with2 > 4 > Oracle and its Rdb family of software products. If > you woulda > 3 > like to be removed from this mailing list, pleased > let us know at >  >iD http://www.oracle.com/rdb/contacts/index.html?rdb_mailing_list.html. > 6 > You can also change our record of your email address > or add > 2 > addresses for your colleagues at this same site. >  >  >  >  >      =====s ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?& HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:58:10 +0200k- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>  Subject: Re: test, ignoreu' Message-ID: <3D582163.5815A2C7@Free.fr>i  M okay okay give me a break. My new f*ing provider does not have a single NT oriO whatever "specialist" to fix their news server which does not serve anything ine@ time since three days... and my cancel commands are also queued!   D.   Brian Tillman wrote: > M > Didier, please test using one of the newsgroups meant for testing.  Thanks.t > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.commC > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comr? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent-> > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:47:18 GMTe1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)a Subject: Re: test, ignoreo: Message-ID: <aQ269.81986$Yd.3723226@twister.austin.rr.com>  . Didier Morandi (Didier.Morandi@Free.fr) wrote:M : okay okay give me a break. My new f*ing provider does not have a single NT  I : or whatever "specialist" to fix their news server which does not serve  N : anything in time since three days... and my cancel commands are also queued! :  : D. : , There's a free news server, news.cis.dfn.de.   You have to register first at :t  *    http://news.cis.dfn.de/en/register.html"    Registration at News.CIS.DFN.DE  H --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edu  (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailt   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 02:49:39 -0700" From: yateyob@hotmail.com (Paul R) Subject: types of queue??M= Message-ID: <75da314a.0208130149.674b2c46@posting.google.com>o   quick question for someone..  D There are 3 categories of VMS queue. the 1st one is generic, the 2ndC one is executable (print, batch etc..) but what is the third one???      Thanks in advancer   Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:27:40 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>g Subject: Re: types of queue??e' Message-ID: <3D58DF1C.4CC46401@aaa.com>e   The DCL manual says :,   Generic Queues : - Generic batch queuer - Generic output queue : - - Generic printer queueh - - Generic server queue - - Generic terminal queue   Execution Queues : - Batch execution queue- - Output execution queue : - - Printer execution queue0 - - Server execution queue - - Terminal execution queue  ( What "problem" are you trying to solve ?* Why should there be a "third" queue type ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.m    
 Paul R wrote:p >  > quick question for someone.. > F > There are 3 categories of VMS queue. the 1st one is generic, the 2ndE > one is executable (print, batch etc..) but what is the third one???u >  > Thanks in advance: >  > Paul   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:49:17 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGh Subject: Re: types of queue??e0 Message-ID: <00A1261E.01EDBB61@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <3D58DF1C.4CC46401@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:d >The DCL manual says : >, >Generic Queues :R >- Generic batch queue >- Generic output queue :h >- - Generic printer queue >- - Generic server queuen >- - Generic terminal queuet >: >Execution Queues :i >- Batch execution queue >- Output execution queue :o >- - Printer execution queue >- - Server execution queues >- - Terminal execution queuea > ) >What "problem" are you trying to solve ?n+ >Why should there be a "third" queue type ?d  I Why not?  I think that what he might be looking for is the "Server" queuet type.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMR             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:48:50 -0400 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: types of queue??e- Message-ID: <0033000076471462000002L022*@MHS>s   =0ATerminal Queue.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETn& Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 5:47 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: types of queue??e     quick question for someone..  D There are 3 categories of VMS queue. the 1st one is generic, the 2ndC one is executable (print, batch etc..) but what is the third one???3     Thanks in advanceh   Paul=.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:08:07 +0200d9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>i Subject: Re: types of queue??1& Message-ID: <3D58E897.145ED20@aaa.com>   system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:K > Why not?  I think that what he might be looking for is the "Server" queue3 > type.s    / Maybe, but the DCL manual includes the "Generic-4 server queue" and the "Server execution queue" under1 the headings "Generic" and "Execution", as listeth0 below. Or are there some other "Server" queues ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.0     > e > In article <3D58DF1C.4CC46401@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:E > >The DCL manual says : > >e > >Generic Queues :a > >- Generic batch queue > >- Generic output queue :t > >- - Generic printer queue > >- - Generic server queue. > >- - Generic terminal queueo > >s > >Execution Queues :  > >- Batch execution queue > >- Output execution queue :- > >- - Printer execution queue > >- - Server execution queue  > >- - Terminal execution queuee > >-+ > >What "problem" are you trying to solve ?n- > >Why should there be a "third" queue type ?1 >J   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 06:22:19 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: uaf= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0208130522.382a90d6@posting.google.com>o  f "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My.Full.Name@intel.com> wrote in message news:<3D582EAE.5A715929@intel.com>...$ > "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote: > 3 > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Kenneth H. Fairfield wrote:J > >o [...]i? >     It's really very easy to test your assertion.  And if you_B > do, you'll find you are mistaken (as BAart Zorn also noted). :-) > @ >     When I log into a particular very-non-homogeneous cluster,B > after certain tests in my LOGIN.COM, I wind up with this (excuse > the line wrap):s > ? > -------------------------------------------------------------- > $ sho log /ful sysuaf.> >    "SYSUAF" [exec] = "PTD$CLU_FAST:[PTDFASTFILES]SYSUAF.DAT" >         (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) ? >    "SYSUAF" [exec,no_alias] = "SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYSUAF.DAT"a >         (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > $e? > -------------------------------------------------------------  > ? > Believe me, the process table logical works (many, many usersl> > whose information I want to examine or modify is NOT present8 > in the SYSUAF pointed to by the system table logical). > > >     The upshot is, the mode must be EXECUTIVE, but ANY table> > will do (at least if the table is in LNM$FILE_DEV, I guess). > 
 >     -Ken    D Sorry, but you, too, are mistaken. It does not have to be defined in% EXECUTIVE mode. It just has to be!!!:h   DCL$ SHOW LOGICAL/FULL SYSUAFp6    "SYSUAF" [super] = "DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN]SYSUAF.DAT" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)    DCL$ DIR SYSUAFa! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files founde   DCL$ MC AUTHORIZE D %UAF-E-NAOFIL, unable to open system authorization file (SYSUAF.DAT) -RMS-E-FNF, file not found# Do you want to create a new file? Yt
 UAF>  Exit2 %UAF-I-DONEMSG, system authorization file modifiedA %UAF-I-NAFNOMODS, no modifications made to network proxy database : %UAF-I-RDBNOMODS, no modifications made to rights database   DCL$ DIR SYSUAF   T Directory DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN]  v= SYSUAF.DAT;1               36/36      13-AUG-2002 13:05:30.54d    Total of 1 file, 36/36 blocks.    ! In fact, even /USER_MODE works!!!a  D I would think, though, that logging in (loginout.exe, I would think)D and setting the password (setp0.exe) would honor only EXECUTIVE mode! logical names. But not AUTHORIZE.-     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman- afeldman...gfigroup@@@com  change ... to @ and @@@ to .   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 07:14:12 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: uaf< Message-ID: <343f30ae.0208130614.2489696@posting.google.com>  f "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My.Full.Name@intel.com> wrote in message news:<3D582EAE.5A715929@intel.com>...$ > "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote: > 3 > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Kenneth H. Fairfield wrote:  > >_	 > > [...]_E > > >+P.S. The supervisor mode definition of SYSUAF in your Job tablesE > > >+     will be ignored.  If you want ot override the System table-E > > >+     definition, the logical still needs to be defined /EXEC inc= > > >+     whatever table you define it in for it to be used.  > >n > >  Disagree !  > >gC > >  The problem has something with Davids question: both DIRECTORYe; > > and AUTHORIZE are "normal" (means: user mode) programm; > > > that means: but supervisor and non-system-table definition@ > > are in use. But executive/kernel routines requires EXECUTIVE; > > definition, and AFAIR SETP0 honours system table *only*d? > > (what has some logic: when user logs in, then loginout must < > > access SYSUAF & co *without* (before !) the group number? > > is known and before job table even exists - then make sensem) > > to use the same way for SET PASSWORD.e > ? >     It's really very easy to test your assertion.  And if you B > do, you'll find you are mistaken (as BAart Zorn also noted). :-) > @ >     When I log into a particular very-non-homogeneous cluster,B > after certain tests in my LOGIN.COM, I wind up with this (excuse > the line wrap):o > ? > -------------------------------------------------------------5 > $ sho log /ful sysuafM> >    "SYSUAF" [exec] = "PTD$CLU_FAST:[PTDFASTFILES]SYSUAF.DAT" >         (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) ? >    "SYSUAF" [exec,no_alias] = "SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYSUAF.DAT"p >         (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > $X? > -------------------------------------------------------------  > ? > Believe me, the process table logical works (many, many users > > whose information I want to examine or modify is NOT present8 > in the SYSUAF pointed to by the system table logical). > > >     The upshot is, the mode must be EXECUTIVE, but ANY table> > will do (at least if the table is in LNM$FILE_DEV, I guess). > 
 >     -Ken    < For AUTHORIZE, SYSUAF can be defined in any mode, any table.  E For LOGINOUT.EXE or SETP0.EXE, it must be defined in the system tablet and in executive mode.   (Tested on VMS 6.1.)  F Is there any case where the logical name must be in executive mode but5 not necessarily in the system table to be recognized?o   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmand afeldman...gfigroup###comn change ... to at and ### to dote   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:03:18 +0100l% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  Subject: Re: VAX Routing8 Message-ID: <v6ihlusullsto504u82s0236jekk8080qj@4ax.com>  E On 9 Aug 2002 10:30:57 -0700, davidk@awirnd.com (David Knight) wrote:r  E >I have a VAX on a network with 2 Cisco routers. The addresses of theaE >routers are 192.168.31.1 and 192.168.31.4. Both addresses are set uplC >as default gateways in UCX on the VAX. The destination host can beoG >reached via either router (2 hops through 192.168.31.4, 4 hops throughyF >192.168.31.1). For whatever reasons, the VAX uses 192.168.31.4 as theA >default route. When that router is down, I can't seem to get theb/ >packets to route through 192.168.31.1 instead.o >l2 >The dynamic routing table in UCX looks like this: >AH   127.0.0.1     127.0.0.1e  >AN   0.0.0.0       192.168.31.4  >AN   0.0.0.0       192.168.31.1  >AN   192.168.31.0  192.168.31.2 >tE >Can I really have 2 default gateways like this? What is an alternate ) >(and perhaps better) way to set this up?a  E Sounds like you really want dynamic routing. For the simple situation-C you have described RIP would be sufficient. Just get the routers tohC broadcast RIP for the default route. Should one router go away theno; "routed" or (gated) on the VMS systems will notice this andfA automatically switch to the next best currently advertised route..  D Alternatively have some background DCL which pings the routers everyE 30 seconds (or whatever) and  manually issues UCX SET ROUTE commands.g -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:51:20 +0200u- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>i7 Subject: Re: VMS Hobbyist User Guide: table of contentst' Message-ID: <3D57D978.E808AE4B@Free.fr>e  8 Yeah. This is why this writing task could be a team job.   D.   Phillip Helbig wrote:m >  > > install TCP/IP< > > get connected to the Internet (via cable if possible :-) > I > Some folks might have their first internet connection through their VMS.F > box.  Those needs might also differ from those of a typical PC user.F > What is the "best" option can vary from country to country.  So, theG > TCP/IP stuff should be broken down by region and include step-by-stepsF > instructions for running a VMS box behind a "normal" DSL connection,7 > with and without an externally visible DNS name.  :-)a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:30:51 GMT ) From: "James M. Knox" <jknox@trisoft.com> " Subject: VMS to OpenVMS conversion6 Message-ID: <Xns92697F4D14F81jknoxtrisoftcom@10.0.0.1>  I Okay, please be patient.  I'm stepping into a new arena here, with a lot   of *old* VMS experience.  H It looks like we will be converting a large amount of software from VAX F VMS (not OpenVMS) to AlphaServer OpenVMS.  Most of this, fortunately, ? includes the source code, but a bunch doesn't (just the binary  
 application).e  G The binary pretty much sticks us with DecMigrate and hope for the best.9  F The other (mostly Fortran 77 source, with some Macro) we can probably > handle without too much trouble, although it is a LOT of code.  I I have "Google" searched, as well as the Compaq website, and see mention  D of "there are a lot of companies that do this" but no list of names D (much less recommendations).  We may, for reasons to complicated to I explain, be able to let any of these companies do the work, but we would cE probably be very interested in paying them as consultants to help us  I come up to speed quickly and help us with specific problems that may hit d us.   I So...  Any suggestions as to who I should talk to?  And am I missing any  & important tools other than DecMigrate?  0 Suggestions, questions, warnings most welcome...    / -----------------------------------------------g
 James M. Knoxn/ TriSoft                        ph  512-385-0316o/ 1109-A Shady Lane              fax 512-366-4331i/ Austin, Tx 78721              jknox@trisoft.comn/ -----------------------------------------------o   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:40:42 +0100 (MET)k9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n% Subject: Re: VMSMAIL_PROFILE clean upm; Message-ID: <01KL983WRCSI9LVCGS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  9 > Now, is a "username" in VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA that isn'ti& > also in the UAF always a bad thing ? > = > I'v set up systems where I'v added a number of mail "users"g > by doing : > < > $ MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=[some_non_uaf_user] [a_real_user] > < > Then the [a_real_user] account have it's mail forwarded to; > DELIVER%a_real_user (and of course the DELIVER package isi > installed also)   = Just to make things clear: the SET FORWARD/USER= stuff works  : independently of the Deliver package, i.e. is vanilla VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Aug 2002 13:54:29 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: VS3100 as an INFOSERVER6 Message-ID: <ajb32l$18mid3$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  ? This may seem like a stupid question, but is it possible to use=@ a VaxStation 3100 as an INFOSERVER??  I could really use one forB network installs (I'm assuming that older VAXen that don't support. CDROM's could boot from an INFOSERVER anyway.)   bill   -- uJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   5   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 07:48:37 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)r  Subject: XFC 2.0 out in the wild3 Message-ID: <TWWtrJevTwoi@eisner.encompasserve.org>r   Found this in the a.m.   Modification Type:  NEW KIT   J Copyright (c) Compaq Computer Corporation 2001,2002.  All rights reserved.   OP/SYS:     OpenVMS Alpha    COMPONENT:  XFCa  ' SOURCE:     Compaq Computer Corporation    ECO INFORMATION:  #      ECO Kit Name:  VMS73_XFC-V0200l6                     DEC-AXPVMS-VMS73_XFC-V0200--4.PCSI;      ECO Kits Superseded by This ECO Kit:  VMS73_XFC-V0100  ,      ECO Kit Approximate Size:  13056 Blocks   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>$ Subject: Re: XFC 2.0 out in the wild@ Message-ID: <20020813135833.42176.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>   Robs  , Good luck ! Test it first and after tell me  the results ! :-))))     Regardsi   FC  0 --- Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote: >  > Found this in the a.m. >  > Modification Type:  NEW KIT  > 6 > Copyright (c) Compaq Computer Corporation 2001,2002. >  All rights reserved.l >  > OP/SYS:     OpenVMS Alpha  >  > COMPONENT:  XFCs > ) > SOURCE:     Compaq Computer Corporationt >  > ECO INFORMATION: > % >      ECO Kit Name:  VMS73_XFC-V0200N >                    r$ > DEC-AXPVMS-VMS73_XFC-V0200--4.PCSI, >      ECO Kits Superseded by This ECO Kit:  > VMS73_XFC-V0100 . >      ECO Kit Approximate Size:  13056 Blocks >      =====e ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - BrazilD fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?& HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 08:07:11 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)3 Subject: XFC 2.0 patch for VMS V7.3 Alpha  released== Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0208130707.28817f18@posting.google.com>o  J Got it, can't install it till tonight.  I sure hope this one gets to stay!   Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2002 06:31:05 -0700* From: ken.randell@fortel.com (Ken Randell)' Subject: XFC patch for VMS 7.3 is up...o= Message-ID: <8debc3ff.0208130531.4945f18d@posting.google.com>:  @ The long awaited XFC patch for VMS 7.3 is up and can be found at (watch for wrapping):   ] http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/vms/dec-axpvms-vms73_xfc-v0200--4.READMES  D Who's going to be first to put it into production and report back to the rest of us?e   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:55:05 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>+ Subject: Re: XFC patch for VMS 7.3 is up...-@ Message-ID: <20020813165505.66158.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>  6 No way ! I have OVMS 7.3 in one production server only& ! I think I will do that next month !    Regards    FC t/ --- Ken Randell <ken.randell@fortel.com> wrote:86 > The long awaited XFC patch for VMS 7.3 is up and can
 > be found at, > (watch for wrapping):G >  >b] http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/vms/dec-axpvms-vms73_xfc-v0200--4.README  > 3 > Who's going to be first to put it into production- > and report back to > the rest of us?o     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilp fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?& HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.444 ************************