1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 15 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 448       Contents: Re: Advanced Server issues...  Re: C programming question Re: C RT Lib Ref Man for VMS cancels (Re: EMAIL I had sent)" Re: cancels (Re: EMAIL I had sent)< Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion< Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion< Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion< Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion< Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion Re: Comment to Sue Re: DCL question Re: DCL question Re: DCL question Re: DCL question Re: DCL question% Re: Deciphering VMS HEX message codes  Re: Disk for VMS Re: Disk for VMS Re: Disk for VMS Re: Disk for VMS Re: Disk for VMS Re: EMAIL I had sent Re: EMAIL I had sent Re: EMAIL I had sent Re: EMAIL I had sent Re: EMAIL I had sent Re: EMAIL I had sent Re: EMAIL I had sent
 ftp & sunique  Re: FTP> get *.* does not work3 Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines. 3 Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines. 3 Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines. 3 Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines. 3 Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines. 3 Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines. $ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace$ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace$ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace$ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace# Re: how to burn VMS bootable CDs ?? # Re: how to burn VMS bootable CDs ?? # Re: how to burn VMS bootable CDs ??  HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF? 3 Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95 3 Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95  Mod_SSL scrambles .XLS; why?; Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ??? ? Re: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ??? ? Re: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ??? ? Re: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ??? > Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3?B Re: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3?B Re: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3? Sales & Marketing Acumen - I  Re: Sales & Marketing Acumen - I  Re: Sales & Marketing Acumen - I* Re: TCPIP TELNET service on alternate port$ Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge$ Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge# Re: VAXstation 3100 not starting up # Re: VAXstation 3100 not starting up  Re: VMS Commitment EMAIL Re: VMS to OpenVMS conversion  Re: VMS to OpenVMS conversion  Re: VNC install fail Re: VS3100 questions VWS question Re: VWS question [OT] Delay in msg posting?* Re: [OT] Delay in msg posting? (annexe #1)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:46:48 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: Advanced Server issues...5 Message-ID: <YTJ69.169250$cU1.5490960@news.chello.at>   Z In article <3D5330A2.3060506@qsl.network>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: >Michael Austin wrote: >>  L >> Actually this is a new install of Advanced Server (no previous Pathworks  >> versions...)  >>   >> OpenVMS 7.3 >> Advanced Server 7.3* >> hardware support only. (Clients system) > H >Instead of having the Advanced Server be a domain controller in the NT F >domain, your client may want to consider having it a resource domain  >that trusts the NT domain.  > F >You only need a one way trust where the VMS domain trusts the NT and  >other domains.  > G >This allows you to maintain the two domains separately, but still use  J >the security information from the NT domain for the access that you want ! >to permit on the OpenVMS system.  > H >NT Domain administrators login's can be used on the Admin interface to . >allow DCL scripting to NT account management.  H Since it is ASOVMS V7.3, you should also consider running it as a memberI server in a pure NT5 domain. One domain, no trusts that can break, and no E problems authenticating NT5 users on VMS DCs (with expensive licenses 9 and still problems with replicating NETLOGON dir/shares).    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:54:18 GMT / From: "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com> # Subject: Re: C programming question A Message-ID: <K6J69.6855$m87.235969727@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>   - "Brian Hechinger" <wonko@4amlunch.net> wrote: D > if i OPEN a file in DCL, then run a C program, how to i access the( > logical that i have created with open?  E You mean access the resulting file?  Just open the logical name, i.e.    $ open/read foo data.txt	 $ run bar   - where bar.c opens foo as in fopen("foo","r").    James    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:07:25 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> % Subject: Re: C RT Lib Ref Man for VMS ' Message-ID: <3D5BA78D.169D4C24@aaa.com>    OK. 7 Either the link to the manual on the "C-page" should be # updated, or it should be removed...    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Brad McCusker wrote: > M > The one with the June date is the most recent one, and, in theory, the most  > up to date version.  > L > The two manuals reflect a change in the structure of the engineering groupN > responsible for the C Run Time Library.  In the past, the alignment has beenN > closer to the compiler, hence the Feb compiler version of the document.  NowG > we are aligned with the base OS, hence the June V7.3-1 release of the  > document.  > E > You will see that document updated as the OS updates in the future.  >  > Brad McCusker + > OpenVMS C Run Time Library Project Leader  > OpenVMS Engineering    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:09:33 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ' Subject: cancels (Re: EMAIL I had sent) ; Message-ID: <01KLBZIOFU50970ARJ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > Cancel messages aren't propagated on comp.os.vms.  They are propagated& > on the special newsgroup: "control".  F Normally, one posts a message with the same From: header (and, though C perhaps not required, with the same Subject: header) with an extra  ' Control: header which has the contents        cancel <message-id>  I where <message-id> is the id of the message to be cancelled.  This thing  H is "posted" to the newsgroup, though I suppose it doesn't actually show  up as a post itself.  D > Since the INFO-VAX/comp.os.vms gateway doesn't involve the controlE > newsgroup, cancels are obviously not gatewayed in either direction.   B I would have thought that one could post a cancel message through " Info-VAX, but I've never tried it.  E > If the server honors them, when a cancel is received on the control E > newsgroup, the referred-to message is deleted from the server.  And E > its message-id is tracked so that subsequent delivery attempts will E > not recreate it.  The cancel message itself is propagated as usual. @ > Even servers that do not themselves honor cancel messages will > nonetheless propagate them.   B Right, but the message to be cancelled won't be cancelled on such 6 servers, to get back to the original poster's problem.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 12:01:10 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org+ Subject: Re: cancels (Re: EMAIL I had sent) 3 Message-ID: <rkuOk$eoF7$D@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <01KLBZIOFU50970ARJ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: I >> Cancel messages aren't propagated on comp.os.vms.  They are propagated ' >> on the special newsgroup: "control".  > H > Normally, one posts a message with the same From: header (and, though E > perhaps not required, with the same Subject: header) with an extra  ) > Control: header which has the contents   >  >    cancel <message-id>  H Conventionally the Subject: line is something like "cmsg cancel <msgid>"  K > where <message-id> is the id of the message to be cancelled.  This thing  J > is "posted" to the newsgroup, though I suppose it doesn't actually show  > up as a post itself.  D It does show up as a post itself.  On the server I'm using now, theyE are catalogued in control.cancel.  (A freaking BIG "newsgroup", btw).   > A spot check of an actual cancel on this server indicates thatC the Newsgroups: header reflects the originally posted newsgroup(s). < (It's not clear that this is a requirement -- the message ID> in the Control: field is enough to identify the target message< accurately and efficiently.  But making the newsgroup header: match is a nice touch with respect to propagation issues).  B So you are correct, the cancel is posted to the original newsgroup( and not to "control" as I had indicated.  9 Back when I ran a news server, I would see tons of cancel ; messages in the $NEWS_SPOOL/control directory and I guess I : just assumed that that was a reflection of the Newsgroups:? header.  Instead, it appears to have reflected the existence of  a Control: header.  D > I would have thought that one could post a cancel message through $ > Info-VAX, but I've never tried it.  @ Indeed, on examination of the evidence, it should work fine.  OfA course, barring a fairly intelligent list reflector, you would be : subjecting the INFO-VAX readership to your cancel message.  F >> If the server honors them, when a cancel is received on the controlF >> newsgroup, the referred-to message is deleted from the server.  AndF >> its message-id is tracked so that subsequent delivery attempts willF >> not recreate it.  The cancel message itself is propagated as usual.A >> Even servers that do not themselves honor cancel messages will  >> nonetheless propagate them. > D > Right, but the message to be cancelled won't be cancelled on such 8 > servers, to get back to the original poster's problem.  B Of course.  Most such servers will expire the article according toC local defaults.  When I was running a company news server, this was ? about a week depending on newsgroup.  The server I'm posting to B now appears to retain about 60 days worth.  And Google, of course, retains forever.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:08:25 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion ' Message-ID: <3D5AAAA9.20B040DA@Free.fr>   A Charon-VAX is not HP, it is (c) Software Resources International.  www.softresint.com   D.   Alan Frisbie wrote:  >  > Chris Olive wrote: > I > > GENERALLY SPEAKING, depending on what I'm looking for, if I DON'T see F > > a price nearly right away in my investigation of ANYTHING (whetherF > > shopping online or in a real store), I GO LOOKING ELSEWHERE nearly > > IMMEDIATELY. > B > The same for me!   If I do not see a price posted, I assume thatE > the seller is like a used car dealer, adjusting the price upward to D > what he thinks he can get away with at the moment.   I will not do% > business with those kind of people.  >  > Do you hear that, HP?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:09:21 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion - Message-ID: <3D5B7DD1.32693.535D8C@localhost>   + On 14 Aug 2002 at 20:51, Chris Olive wrote: F > If this really is a service with a market (Charon-VAX configs), thenC > I guess from your vantage point you WOULDN'T want SRI to take the ; > Borland approach, because there most certainly would be a = > significant rise, I would think, in how many people bought, E > attempted and because adept at installing and configuring it... 8-)   E Since I'm doing all the training of resellers in the United States, I ' know exactly how many people are adept.   D But, with about 200,000 VAXes to replace, there's plenty of work for everybody...  
 --Stan Quayle ! President, Quayle Consulting Inc.   
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-  16711 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:25:38 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion - Message-ID: <3D5B81A2.18537.6244B8@localhost>   0 On 15 Aug 2002 at 0:56, David J. Dachtera wrote:8 > First I've heard of it. Who does your marketing? HP/Q?  E Me, myself, and I -- each reseller is in charge of his own marketing   efforts.  C > Consider building a "how to" presentation (PPT or the OpenOffice, E > Koffice, etc. equivalent) and selling that on a CD. Be sure to post # > the price prominently, of course.   D Training is available.  Since the best way to learn is to play with E it, Salem Automation (another reseller) and I have developed a 2-day  E course, with both lecture and labs.  Next course is September 24-25,  ? and I'm doing a short version (no labs), on October 6 at HPETS.   8 I'm also doing a 1-hour technical presentation at HPETS.  H > So post the Charon-VAX price chart beside your own rate table and killA > two birds with one stone, build up good will - not to mention a G > reputation for honesty, allow folks to make decisions quickly without H > playing phone tag for days or weeks, spending hours on the phone, etc.> > ...or did you not grasp what the earlier respondents posted?  C I understand completely.  If you saw my web pages a month ago, you   would have seen that.   G > So, post a product matrix explaining the variants and the use/purpose F > of each and allow the educated, technical professionals who frequentH > this forum - not to mention your website and probably many hunderds ofE > others - to make their own choices, as some seem to prefer. You can ? > always reinforce and expand the available information in your   > person-to-person presentation.  A I've been thinking about a web-based decision tree that the user  0 could click through to find the correct version.  G > A Windows-version is probably fine where affordability is a key issue H > (likely 99% or more of your prospects), but I'd go Alpha + OpenVMS for, > reliability, budget permitting, of course.  D When I discuss the Windows version, I make it clear that you should F NEVER, EVER, run anything else on the box -- make it a 100% dedicated 1 server.  The Alpha OpenVMS version is rock solid.   F The only exception is when you have some Q-bus hardware to support -- A which lots of VAX people do -- the hardware and software is only   available for Windows.  *sigh*  
 --Stan Quayle ! President, Quayle Consulting Inc.   
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-  16711 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 11:20:25 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion 3 Message-ID: <ULDuTdXYl8My@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <3D5B81A2.18537.6244B8@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:  F > When I discuss the Windows version, I make it clear that you should H > NEVER, EVER, run anything else on the box -- make it a 100% dedicated 3 > server.  The Alpha OpenVMS version is rock solid.  > H > The only exception is when you have some Q-bus hardware to support -- C > which lots of VAX people do -- the hardware and software is only    > available for Windows.  *sigh*  F That is strange.  I have done Qbus drivers for Alpha, but did not know& that such a thing existed for Windows.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:57:22 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion ' Message-ID: <3D5BE266.893F4382@fsi.net>T   "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > [snip]G > The only exception is when you have some Q-bus hardware to support --iB > which lots of VAX people do -- the hardware and software is only  > available for Windows.  *sigh*  D Hardware, with few exceptions (as noteworthy as those exceptions may# be), tends be largely o.s.-neutral.M  G I could see drivers and such being an issue. However, to quote from the G movie which gave Montagar.com its name, its "Nothing a little hard workV won't cure".   --   David J. Dachterav dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:03:44 -0400e5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>  Subject: Re: Comment to Sue * Message-ID: <ajgfso$dti$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  F JF,  I have forwarded your note to a Marketing Communications Manager.   sue   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D56AB14.BFACB7D2@videotron.ca...J > Got a few folded postscards recently from HP. Didn't bother opening themI > because I didn't see "VMS" mentioned outside so I assumed they were fors wintel, > presentation in which I am not interested. > I > So, if any  presentatiosn, whether organised by local offices or fom HQ_ planK > to have serious VMS content, it would be a good idea to ensure that "VMS"r is/ > visible from the envelope or folded postcard.  >bF > Just a comment. (I realise that this may be totally outside of Sue's hands,! > but I made the comment anyways)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:21:09 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>T Subject: Re: DCL question ' Message-ID: <3D5A04E3.90FDF7D8@Free.fr>L   Matt Muggeridge wrote: > % > > btw, what is the meaning of this:o > 
 > It means...r > 
 > $ telnet > TELNET> help create_session_  K So, $ TELNET create_session and $ TELNET /create_session do the same thing?hA This does not comply with DEC Human Engineering practices, to me.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:15:39 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>h Subject: Re: DCL questionp8 Message-ID: <86omlu0snabrf7506efqqtiduarbq231qv@4ax.com>  3 On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:09:40 -0400, Brian Hechinger  <wonko@4amlunch.net> wrote:o  ; >On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 06:19:34PM +0000, Don Sykes wrote:c >> -Q >> DCL open/read/write is intended primarily for record oriented devices. But theEN >> problem really is the device driver you assign (implicitly) when you open aR >> channel to the telnet device. The driver has no problem sending bytes, but doesR >> not know when a record read is completed. As has been suggested you could try aQ >> read/time=1 or the like, but I think it will not be a satisfactory method even Q >> if you make it work. IMO you need to use a language that gives access to QIOs.e >)6 >crapulance.  i REALLY wanted to do this in DCL.  bah.  D C-Kermit is ideal for this but... I have written DCL under UCX/TCPIP> which read/writes to a socket with no problems. Ok, this is anE incoming connection but it should work outgoing. What happens is thatnD UCX/TCPIP will return some random number of characters in the buffer% which you then parse to build a line.t   $! SYS$MANAGER:IDENTD.COM > $! A rapidly knocked together identd server for UCX( RFC 1413)8 $! No real sanity checking is done on the input and this> $! isn't intended as an example of DCL good programming style.2 $! Just a proof of concept... Tested under UCX 3.3 $! Through UCX 5.0B $! Inspired by Stellan Lagerstrm's <stellanl@e.kth.se> identd.pas $!" $! Alan Greig  Dec 1995 - Mar 2001 $! $! a.greig@virgin.netS $! $! This procedure must) $! Be woken up by AUXS server on port 113a$ $! Read a net connection of the form  $! server_socket , client_socket! $! UCX SHO DEV/PORT=server_socketc' $! parse returnded device name (bgnnnn)n $! f$getdvi("devnam","pid")a $! f$getjpi(devpid,"username")F $! write sys$net server_socket , " , ",client_socket, " : ", "USERID : VMS : ", - 
 $! devuser $! close connectiono $! exit 	 $! error:aE $! write sys$net server_socket , " , ",client_socket, " : ", "ERROR :  NO-USER" $! $!= $! The service is setup via the following commands. In a realn
 productionA $! version the server could possibly have its own username set up ? $! along the lines of (say) UCX_LPD with appropriate privilegesa (WORLD)@4 $! You probably don't want to log everything either.) $! CREATE/DIR SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.IDENTD]  $! UCX SET SERVICE IDENTD --9 $!   /PORT=113/PROTO=TCP/PROCESS=UCX_IDENTD/USER=SYSTEM -l# $!   /FILE=SYS$MANAGER:IDENTD.COM -j+ $!   /LOG=(file:SYS$MANAGER:IDENTD.LOG,all)  $! UCX ENABLE SERVICE IDENTD' $! UCX SET CONFIG ENABLE SERVICE IDENTDg $! $ set noverify1 $ set proc/priv=all ! Only world actually needed.  $ pid = f$getjpi("0","PID")e $ open/read/write net sys$net B $ open/write log sys$sysroot:[sysmgr.identd]identd_connections.log8 $ write log f$fao("!AS!%D", "Connection received at ",0) $ socket_pair = "" $ buff2 = ""A $! append returned data from read until a control character other  $! than tab seen.: $rd: $ read/error=error net buffer5 $ i=0= $rd2:l $ c = f$extract(i,1,buffer)R5 $ if c .eqs. "  " then c = " "  !convert tab to spaceD3 $ if c .lts. " " .or. c .gts. "z" then goto rd_done  $ buff2 = buff2 + cd $ i=i+1aE $ if i .lt. f$length(buffer) then goto rd2 ! More data in this buffere& $ goto rd ! buffer empty - get another $!	 $rd_done:r $ socket_pair = buff2r. $ server_socket = f$element(0,",",socket_pair)+ $ server_sockint = f$integer(server_socket) . $ client_socket = f$element(1,",",socket_pair)+ $ client_sockint = f$integer(client_socket)n $ write log socket_pairhD $ define/user sys$output sys$sysroot:[sysmgr.identd]identd_'pid'.tmp" $ UCX SHO DEV/PORT='server_socket'= $! Now need to parse the UCX SHOW DEV output. This better nots	 change...u $! $ on error then goto ucxend ? $ open/read ucxfile sys$sysroot:[sysmgr.identd]identd_'pid'.tmpP $! Skip header lines $ read ucxfile ucxline $ucxlp:-! $ read/end=ucxend ucxfile ucxlineu% $ ucxdevice = f$extract(2,10,ucxline)l, $ ucxclient_socket = f$extract(31,5,ucxline)1 $ ucxclient_sockint = f$integer(ucxclient_socket)g: $ ucxrem_host = f$extract(55,f$length(ucxline)-54,ucxline): $ if ucxclient_sockint .ne. client_sockint then goto ucxlp $! Found a match $ on warning then goto error( $ ucxdevice = f$element(0," ",ucxdevice)% $ userpid = f$getdvi(ucxdevice,"PID")h) $ username = f$getjpi(userpid,"USERNAME")a $ write log ucxrem_hostt7 $ write log socket_pair, " : USERID : VMS : ", usernameeD $ write net socket_pair, " : USERID : VMS : ", username, f$fao("!/")
 $ goto finishs $! $! exitt $! $error:  $ucxend: $ on error then goto finisho- $ write log socket_pair, " : ERROR : NO-USER"X: $ write net socket_pair, " : ERROR : NO-USER" ,f$fao("!/") $finish:
 $ set noon $ close nety $ close ucxfilec $ close logo< $ delete/nolog sys$sysroot:[sysmgr.identd]identd_'pid'.tmp.*$ $ wait 00:00:01 !perhaps not needed. $ exit $s     >thanks for the info!! >l >-brianv   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 07:21:00 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: DCL questionl3 Message-ID: <27VUolHMSgxY@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  W In article <3D5A04E3.90FDF7D8@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes:m > Matt Muggeridge wrote: >> p& >> > btw, what is the meaning of this: >> c >> It means... >> c >> $ telnet  >> TELNET> help create_session > M > So, $ TELNET create_session and $ TELNET /create_session do the same thing?0C > This does not comply with DEC Human Engineering practices, to me.   @ The first parameter on the TELNET invocation command line is the' target host name, not a TELNET command.s  C That pretty much has to be true because that's the way TELNET workse< everywhere else.  Most people want to be able to telnet to aC particular host without having to type more than "telnet hostname".   D The first word on a command line obtained at the TELNET> prompt is a6 TELNET command verb such as "open", "close" or "send".  G This is desireable because that's the way TELNET works everywhere else. A If you want to open a connection from the TELNET> prompt, you usenB "open hostname".  Not just "hostname".  There is little demand forB a less verbose way of opening a connection from the TELNET> prompt@ because if you wanted terse, you could have specified the targetC from the invocation command line.  If you're at the TELNET> prompt,nA it's probably because you want to do something other than openingr
 a session.  A Given a desire to support the "create_session" functionality bothh@ from the invocation command line and from the TELNET prompt, and? given the above strictures on the syntax at the two interfaces,n7 how would you have had the interface designers proceed?a   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:25:17 -0400h* From: Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net> Subject: Re: DCL questiono6 Message-ID: <20020815112517.A4554@marvin.4amlunch.net>  ; On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:15:39AM +0100, Alan Greig wrote:t >  > $ open/read/write net sys$net_  K i'm assuming that sys$net is a CREATE_NTY style object? (well, i guess it's  called CREATE_SESSION in UX)   > $ read/error=error net bufferd  M the problem though, is i seem to be doing the same thing you are, but my reado never returns.  it just hangs.   -brian -- ' she manipulates my language			|e) the scion of a cunning goddess			| Fridgef  and i *am* but a MAN				| Magnet) watching my gratuitous torment			| Poetry  not looking herculean				|   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:21:31 +0200e- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>  Subject: Re: DCL questiont' Message-ID: <3D5BD50B.1E3A6BA5@Free.fr>i   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:i >  ../..t > C > Given a desire to support the "create_session" functionality bothsB > from the invocation command line and from the TELNET prompt, andA > given the above strictures on the syntax at the two interfaces,t9 > how would you have had the interface designers proceed?e   I agree. Thanks for the lecture.e   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:02:06 -0500e4 From: Arlen Williams <arlen.williams@remove.eds.com>. Subject: Re: Deciphering VMS HEX message codes- Message-ID: <3D5BD07E.8030805@remove.eds.com>    Carl Perkins wrote:nT > In article <3D54313F.6BD2E46A@cha.ab.ca>, Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> writes...K > }VMS Accounting is returning some NOMSG descriptions.  I have done "$ SET I > }MESSAGE SYS$MESSAGE:..." on some of the files in SYS$MESSAGE, but havesC > }had no luck so far.  Running VMS 7.3+ on ES45.  Does anyone havec( > }descriptions for the following codes. > } ) > }%DIFF-S-NOMSG, Message number 006C8009  > 6 > From PRGDEVMSG: %DIF-S-SAMEFILE, files are identical > ) > }%DIFF-I-NOMSG, Message number 006C8013  > 7 > From PRGDEVMSG: %DIF-I-FILAREDIF, files are differenth > : > }%NONAME-F-NOMSG, Message number 10000004 (DECNET COPY?)  ( Maybe the result of doing lib$stop( 0 )?   > 
 > Don't know.t > ( > }%SET-W-NOMSG, Message number 10778088 > / > CLIUTLMSG: %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying !ASa > ) > }%SHOW-S-NOMSG, Message number 10788019t > @ > CLIUTLMSG: %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name !AS > * > }%PRINT-F-NOMSG, Message number 10BF800C > 0 > CLIUTLMSG: %PRINT-F-CREJOB, error creating job > * > }%NONAME-S-NOMSG, Message number 1801810  
  From SYSMSG:o( %DECSIM-W-NOMSG, Message number 01801810  ) > }%DOCS-E-NOMSG, Message number 122086AAC    From TSM$MSG:@ %TSM-E-DOES_NOT_EXIST, !AS specified does not exist in directory  + > }%NONAME-S-NOMSG, Message number 18F28659n    From FDVMSG and FMSMSG:- %FMS-S-NORMAL, Normal, successful completion.o  + > }%NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 1E29C06Au    From TCPWARE_MSG:+ %TCPWARE-E-DELETEFAIL, failed to delete !ASg   > 
 > Don't know.  > > > }Lee Y T Mah                        Capital Health Authority > 
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 08:33:47 +0200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)0 Subject: Re: Disk for VMS + Message-ID: <d0H2CiuXxmIG@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>a  r In article <3d5ac4eb.19468062@news.cable.ntl.com>, peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) writes: >  > H > I've finally ran in to some cash so I can think about getting Open VMSD > hobbyist license for my XP1000. Is VMS particular about which hardG > disk it will install on. I'd like to get SCSI about 9gb should be OK.uG > I've got an old UW Seagate model but I think it was pulled from a Sun]D > system could this cause problems. I've looked on ebay but any disk4 > with Compaq associated with it sells at a premium. >   1 I have 36GB IBM DDYS-T36950N running in a XP1000, G and 70 GB  SEAGATE ST373405LW in DPW500, should work in XP1000 as well.f  N For system disks, the lower volume ones as suggested by others are of course aI better choice. I use a FUJITSU M2954S-512 4 GB in the oldest DEC3000/400.    --: Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Max-Planck-Institut Physik,Muenchen, : http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber                            ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:57:08 GMTr. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Disk for VMSo5 Message-ID: <UVK69.169801$cU1.5500310@news.chello.at>a  W In article <3D5AE4F1.3070405@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:rP >Being a firm advocate of dedicating the system disk to just that, the OS, swap O >and page files, etc, it doesn't have to be very big.  I used to like 1 GB and uQ >for the VAX it is fine, but Alpha VMS is quite a bit larger, and a 2 GB disk is oR >a good choice.  Then get whatever you want for data and such, and even if it's a 3 >bit iffy, you can still test it while running VMS.a  J 1GB (VAX) and 2GB (Alpha) are not really enough. If you use page/swap/dumpJ files not on the system disk and it install only very few layered productsH then it surely sufficient. But if you use only 2 disk (1 system with allL files and 2 user disk with quotas and such) then better use 2/4 or even 4/9.H JAVA and CSWB/MOZILLA and CSWS/APACHE with modules (PHP, PERL) and so on8 will fill even a 9GB disk relatively easy (over time)...  Q >2 and 4 GB disks are easily found at almost ridiculously low prices on E-BAY. A sO >9 GB disk will be harder to find, and the competition for it will be greater.  A >Just get two 4 GB disks for less than the cost of one 9 GB disk.S  > Yes. And 4GB is sufficient for most of us, but not for all ;-)K And low capacity drives are no longer beloved because of eg. the slot county of a BA353, BA350, BA356.k  J If you use a mixed architecture cluster with 1 VAX and 1 Alpha system diskK you can use a 3rd one for the common files (UAF, JBC, MOM, TCPIP, own .HLB, N PATHWORKS, MX, ...), page/swap/dump files and call it software or common disk.C Then you surely have no more space problems (but a little more work J during the VMSupdate phase - you need to move the common files back to theM system disk before the upgrade and after the upgrade back to the common disk)sD and also have much less I/O problems on the system disk and can evenI restore the last system disk backup (eg. days after a failed ECO install) 6 without fiddling around with the incremental tapes ;-)  M btw. I'm currently looking for the SCSI-IDE converters because I want to haveeN >500GB at home without paying the price of a SAN and also the max.size of SCSIK disks I've seen is about 72GB and max.size of IDE disks I've seen is 320GB. ? But at what prices !! (I already own 2x 160GB IDE from MAXTOR).mK Performance of such disks is no issue, but capacity is, and backup will be. M And I hope this disks will work with VMS (and of course later also with HBVS)    just my 0.02   -- p Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialistw E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:15:55 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>u Subject: Re: Disk for VMS ; Message-ID: <01KLBRF485029LVCGS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>6  H > I've finally ran in to some cash so I can think about getting Open VMSD > hobbyist license for my XP1000. Is VMS particular about which hardG > disk it will install on. I'd like to get SCSI about 9gb should be OK.   I I recommend 4 GB for a system disk.  Actually, get two and volume-shadow e them.m  G I strongly recommend a dedicated disk for the system disk, another for iH third-party software, another for user stuff.  A dedicated scratch disk 8 can be useful as well (don't worry about backing it up).   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 06:36:42 -0700+ From: c00per11242001@yahoo.ca (Vic Mendham)p Subject: Re: Disk for VMSe= Message-ID: <f7a73cb1.0208150536.6e20f3de@posting.google.com>:   Another questions on disk size. E I to normally use a seperate disk as the system disk for OpenVMS (not- Alpha).sC Now I use a 4 GB as this system disk and we have other disks on thee1 array (9gb and 17 GB, some partitioned, some not)<  E We're now building a QA / Disaster box and want to use 9 GB drives asd
 a standardB Does anyone know if OpenVMS 6.2 will run on a 9 GB drive or if the& limit for the actual O/S disk is 4 GB? c00per11242001@yahoo.cau  Z huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) wrote in message news:<d0H2CiuXxmIG@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>...t > In article <3d5ac4eb.19468062@news.cable.ntl.com>, peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) writes: > >  > > J > > I've finally ran in to some cash so I can think about getting Open VMSF > > hobbyist license for my XP1000. Is VMS particular about which hardI > > disk it will install on. I'd like to get SCSI about 9gb should be OK. I > > I've got an old UW Seagate model but I think it was pulled from a SuniF > > system could this cause problems. I've looked on ebay but any disk6 > > with Compaq associated with it sells at a premium. > >  > 3 > I have 36GB IBM DDYS-T36950N running in a XP1000,EI > and 70 GB  SEAGATE ST373405LW in DPW500, should work in XP1000 as well.a > P > For system disks, the lower volume ones as suggested by others are of course aK > better choice. I use a FUJITSU M2954S-512 4 GB in the oldest DEC3000/400.2   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 18:19:07 +0200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)f Subject: Re: Disk for VMSo+ Message-ID: <$kuZ8M9zrnyv@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>a  k In article <f7a73cb1.0208150536.6e20f3de@posting.google.com>, c00per11242001@yahoo.ca (Vic Mendham) writes:-! > Another questions on disk size.dG > I to normally use a seperate disk as the system disk for OpenVMS (note	 > Alpha).vE > Now I use a 4 GB as this system disk and we have other disks on thev3 > array (9gb and 17 GB, some partitioned, some not)s > G > We're now building a QA / Disaster box and want to use 9 GB drives asd > a standardD > Does anyone know if OpenVMS 6.2 will run on a 9 GB drive or if the( > limit for the actual O/S disk is 4 GB? > c00per11242001@yahoo.cai >   M Please look into the FAQ and older postings here: it depends on the VAX model-K and the type of SCSI interface. Newer Models of the VAX 4000 series supportd9 booting from 9 GB disk, maybe VMS 6.2 needs patches also.i   --: Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Max-Planck-Institut Physik,Muenchen, : http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber                            ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:23:26 +1000O* From: James Cameron <james.cameron@hp.com> Subject: Re: EMAIL I had sente8 Message-ID: <pan.2002.08.15.17.23.10.145242.3688@hp.com>  
 G'day Edward,x  I I was curious, so I searched Google Groups for your signature block.  Thed( URL that has the article in question is;   http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Edward+A.+Lucas+Sr.+VAX/VMS+System+Administrator+SAIC+Phone:++(216)+525-7492&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=EF1DC894691AD5118AF000508BB85FDE034CC70F%40AMCLVX11&rnum=5   J I agree with Don Sykes.  It is out there, on multiple news servers, on anyB INFO-VAX archives, in numerous personal caches or archives, and inH Google's database.  There's no hope of erasing it from those sources.  ID doubt that there is any hope in removing it from Google's database. F Although they might have a process for it, all it takes is for someoneG else to place their archive of INFO-VAX or comp.os.vms onto a web page,   and for Google to find it again.  F Your best bet is to follow it up with a retraction or reversal through9 the same means by which you posted it in the first place.n  G This reminds all of us to take care with what we say, lest we encounter  more dingle berries.  ;-)g   --
 James CameronI   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:59:21 +01003( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: EMAIL I had sentT) Message-ID: <3D5B6D69.F5832207@127.0.0.1>D   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:D > x > In article <EF1DC894691AD5118AF000508BB85FDE034CC7B5@AMCLVX11>, "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" <Edward.Lucas@bp.com> writes: > >Hello > >"M > >I July 15, 2002 I sent an email "VMS Commitment" requesting information toe2 > >info-net.  The email has now aperies in Google.1 > >I have gotten in lots of trouble of the email."  ) > >1.  I need to have the email removed !r  7 > Usenet does have the idea of cancelling a message seer > C > http://www.cs.uu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/usenet/cancel-faq/part1.htmlu > K > Unfortunatelty I've never tried to use that facility so don't know how to.J > go about it. How effective it would be after all this time - and whether& > google honours cancels I don't know.  @ I use Netscape as my newsreader, and I've successfully cancelledC messages shortly after I have posted them. I did this simply to add,F further information rather than replying to myself / correcting myself in yet another message.k  = However I accept that due to the medium, as you say David, itoC propagates, and the cancel itself also has to propagate, and if thedB gateway catches the message before a cancel, it'll be distributed.   THE MESSAGE ITSELF  F I too recall it, and trust that something positive happened after some button pushing ;-)  E I think I know what you have the issue with, but we all say things inuG the heat of the moment, and I too have said potentially career limiting G things (not necessarily in this forum) but we are people with emotions, A passions and feelings, and my view is that employers need to take H account of it on occasions. If we think about your feelings expressed inE context, it is because you care. Not only do you care about the fieldeH you're working in, enough to make such a statement, but it also embodiesF how you *care* about the computing environment of your company in thisG world of viruses and instability. Your company should value you in viewrC of you are more interested than just the bottom line in an industryoF which frequently jumps on "a bandwagon" for no other justified reason.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencest nclews at csc dot comS   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:44:57 +0100l% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>y Subject: Re: EMAIL I had sent 8 Message-ID: <dbqmlugbd7a50nqbv0tp29n1ls6riil6ib@4ax.com>  7 On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:39:05 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr."- <Treahy@mmaz.com> wrote:   [posted and emailed]  G >Google owns the old Deja News system which cataloged news groups into DH >web accessible archives...  Therefore, anything that means it into the , >news groups will be accessible by Google... >rL >As for removing your address from the news archives, you are out of luck...   From the Google FAQ:  1 How can I remove articles from Google's archive? nB Google will honor requests to remove messages that you have postedB yourself (known as nuking a post). You may even be able to do this: yourself using our Automatic Removal Tool. Please find theB circumstance below that applies to you and follow the instructions there.  1 Messages posted from your current e-mail address LF If the email address you used to post your message(s) is still active,D we recommend you use our Automatic Removal Tool. This is the fastestF and easiest way to have your posts removed. Note- that in order to useF this option, you must be able to send and receive email using the sameB account from which your messages were originally posted to Usenet.  ? Messages posted with an e-mail address that is no longer valid  F If you would like to request the removal of posts made by you, but theD email address from which you posted is no longer valid, you may sendB an e-mail to groups-support@google.com that contains the following items: m  B your full name and contact information, including an email address that can be verified; B the complete Google Groups URL (or message ID) for each individual+ message you would like to have suppressed; vF a statement that says "I swear under penalty of civil or criminal lawsD that I am the person who posted each of the foregoing messages or am< authorized to request removal by the person who posted those messages."; and  your signature (electronic). 1     >Barry   -- Alan   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:13:04 +0100 (MET)09 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>2 Subject: Re: EMAIL I had sentg; Message-ID: <01KLBRCKZOWI9LVCGS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>g  ? > However I accept that due to the medium, as you say David, itaE > propagates, and the cancel itself also has to propagate, and if therD > gateway catches the message before a cancel, it'll be distributed.  F Actually, if all works as designed, the cancel propagates as does the 6 message.  Some servers, however, don't honour cancels.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:41:41 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: EMAIL I had senth) Message-ID: <3D5B8565.FC7A03C1@127.0.0.1>r   Phillip Helbig wrote:F > A > > However I accept that due to the medium, as you say David, iteG > > propagates, and the cancel itself also has to propagate, and if theiF > > gateway catches the message before a cancel, it'll be distributed. > G > Actually, if all works as designed, the cancel propagates as does ther8 > message.  Some servers, however, don't honour cancels.  G So, if the INFO-VAX mail gateway caught a message, sent it, then a NNTPuE cancel comes in, it manages to 'delete' the email in somebody's inbox1 (and respective archives)?  F No, I hadn't made that clear, so this is not aimed at you Phillip, butH that is the scenario that would have to happen. See, I post too, without being clear.  H I like Alan's company advice, very clear. I understand Edward's post andF I wouldn't need him to explain it to me. This is why passion has a lot< to do with VMS, and why I suggested it as a marketing angle. --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Scienceso nclews at csc dot comv   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:57:21 +0100 (MET)b9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a Subject: Re: EMAIL I had sentM; Message-ID: <01KLBX2PGR20970ARJ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>L  I > So, if the INFO-VAX mail gateway caught a message, sent it, then a NNTP G > cancel comes in, it manages to 'delete' the email in somebody's inbox  > (and respective archives)?  A I was thinking the other direction.  If things work as designed, nB messages get cancelled from news servers (though not all do), but F obviously email doesn't get deleted once someone has read it, nor are D the corresponding memories in their brain erased.  (Maybe there's a ! Philip K. Dick story about this.)N   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 07:47:56 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: EMAIL I had sentC3 Message-ID: <Av52wzRoWuVJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  T In article <3D5B8565.FC7A03C1@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > Phillip Helbig wrote:S >> AB >> > However I accept that due to the medium, as you say David, itH >> > propagates, and the cancel itself also has to propagate, and if theG >> > gateway catches the message before a cancel, it'll be distributed.  >> aH >> Actually, if all works as designed, the cancel propagates as does the9 >> message.  Some servers, however, don't honour cancels.o > I > So, if the INFO-VAX mail gateway caught a message, sent it, then a NNTPpG > cancel comes in, it manages to 'delete' the email in somebody's inboxs > (and respective archives)?  F Cancel messages aren't propagated on comp.os.vms.  They are propagated$ on the special newsgroup: "control".  B Since the INFO-VAX/comp.os.vms gateway doesn't involve the controlC newsgroup, cancels are obviously not gatewayed in either direction.'  E And, as you point out, the ability to delete messages out of people'sy  e-mail inboxes is quite lacking.  ; Within Usenet, cancels operate on a server by server basis.t  C If the server honors them, when a cancel is received on the controlPC newsgroup, the referred-to message is deleted from the server.  And0C its message-id is tracked so that subsequent delivery attempts will C not recreate it.  The cancel message itself is propagated as usual.B> Even servers that do not themselves honor cancel messages will nonetheless propagate them.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:45:10 +0100-4 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: ftp & suniqueB Message-ID: <1029404715.19438.0.nnrp-14.9e989e7e@news.demon.co.uk>  H sunique is an undocumented command, supported by tcpip 5.1 ftp, which isJ required for an ftp "drop box" (writeonly) on a Mac server (it enables use of STOU rather than STOR).  : It's required after logging in, so it can't go in ftpinit.  K Is there any magic logical or anything, either to set the option, or invokeVJ a second init file after logging in ? I can't find one, and as it stands IG can't use copy/ftp, I have to use straight ftp with a temporary commandn> file. I can live with that if I must, but it's a little messy.  I A writeonly drop box is required for security purposes, so that the greatk+ unwashed don't use it as free server space.s   Thanks,u Chrisf   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:28:16 +0200s- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>e' Subject: Re: FTP> get *.* does not workA' Message-ID: <3D5A8520.AFD05158@Free.fr>    does not work because:   $DECKy On TCPWare the HELP states:d   GETi     /MULTIPLEf  F     Transfers multiple files.   Use  after  source  only  and  includeF     wildcards  in  source.  Necessary because some remote hosts do notF     recognize the OpenVMS "*" and "%" characters  as  wildcards.   The;     remote host's server must support the FTP NLST command.a  *     MGET is the synonym for GET /MULTIPLE. $EOD  K and the Macintosh MS Personal Web server FTP feature does not support NLST.l   (courtesy Peter Weaver :-)   D.  7 PS: works perfectly well on another Alpha, fortunately.      Didier Morandi wrote:H >  > I run VMS 7.3 TCP/IP V5.1-15. / > I wish to copy files from my Mac to my Alpha.rJ > I started MPWS on the Mac and did connect to via FTP, providing my Mac's > username and password. > ; > I can do a SET DEF and a DIR and a GET one_file_only.COM.dJ > But if I do a FTP> get *.* or mget *.*or *.COM of whatever, I get this: ../..o > FTP> get *.com' > 550 *.com: No such file or directory.k- > %TCPIP-E-FTP_NOSUCHFILE, no such file *.com  > FTP> >  > Why?   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2002 23:52:22 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>B< Subject: Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines.0 Message-ID: <qhofc4havt.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  4 Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:5 > As folks have already mentioned, there were severalr6 > earlier graphics adapters. Besides the Pro graphics,4 > and the VT11 (as seen in the GT40), there was also2 > the much-more capable and yet upwards-compatible5 > VS11 vector graphics system. We used it extensivelyp; > on our "SUDS" graphics design stations (and they, in turn03 > were used extensively to run "Lunar Lander". Theyw7 > didn't typically have switch registers so "Space War"  > wasn't possible.).  : Is the VS11 somehow related to the VS60/VT48?  The VT48 is8 also a "much-more capable and upwards compatible" vector8 graphic controller, and the VS60 is the system that uses( the VT48 controller with a VR48 monitor.  ' > and what was the name of the originalc > little ReGIS+BASIC box?p   Gigi, model VK100    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2002 23:55:23 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>a< Subject: Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines.0 Message-ID: <qhk7mshaqs.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  ! mbg@world.std.com (Megan) writes:oE > The GT40 (which was based on the PDP-11/05) was not a memory-mappedwF > video, it was a vector graphics engine (the VT11).  The instructions  I To be overly pedantic, the field maintenance print set indicates that thecE GT40 uses the VT40 display processor.  The VT40 and VT11 use the same.D modules, with a different backplane.  But certainly from a practical perspective, it's a VT11.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2002 23:56:14 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>B< Subject: Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines.0 Message-ID: <qhfzxghapd.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>   sword7@speakeasy.org writes:5 > I never heard of VCB03 before.  What is difference   > between VCB02 and VCB03?  F A better question would be, "What is similar between VCB02 and VCB03?"   And the answer is, "Not much."   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2002 23:56:54 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>e< Subject: Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines.0 Message-ID: <qhbs84hao9.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  - "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:dB > OpenVMS supports the MicroVAX 3520/3540 but I don't know if much4 > else does (Ultrix might, NetBSD probably doesn't).  C The SPD for Ultrix Workstation Software 4.5 indicated that it does.'   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:02:24 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> < Subject: Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines.8 Message-ID: <7nnmlus890scp2hakq7tdfj72i26694jol@4ax.com>  5 On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:53:58 +0100, "antonio.carlini"e <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote:   >Alan Greig wrote: >M > H >> The "Gigi" - VK200 or something like that wasn't it? I recall writingE >> a load/save interface to it for TOPS-20 plus some "Ghost" graphicsb >> interface routines. >  >o. >It was indeed the GIGI, but it was the VK100.  # Yep, from the TOPS-20 edit history:3  A ; UPD ID= 138, SNARK:<5.EXEC>EXEC0.MAC.42,   7-Feb-82 13:41:31 by- CHALLtB ;TCO 5.1700 .TERMI- AND .TTYPE- ADD TERMINAL TYPES VT125 AND VK100  F A quick check shows VMS still accepts SET TER/DEV=VK100 even though it/ doesn't appear as in option in HELP SET TER/DEVr  	 $ sho ter1A Terminal: _TNA3819:   Device_Type: VK100         Owner: _TNA3819: @                                               Username: CENSORED     >Antonio   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:35:26 -0400G2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>< Subject: Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines.. Message-ID: <3D5BA00E.25E2DCEF@mindspring.com>   Eric Smith wrote:e  < > Is the VS11 somehow related to the VS60/VT48?  The VT48 is: > also a "much-more capable and upwards compatible" vector: > graphic controller, and the VS60 is the system that uses* > the VT48 controller with a VR48 monitor.  + Yes. I think VS60 was the name for a systemr, that included a VS11, much as "GT40" was the0 name for one of the systems that included a VT11 (and a VR14 vector display).  . I don't remember exactly how the VT48 fit into. the picture and I no longer have any access to/ the Dick Best List, err, "Options/Modules List"t0 or whatever it's called nowadays. Perhaps Google knows?    ) > > and what was the name of the original4 > > little ReGIS+BASIC box?1 >9 > Gigi, model VK1005  % Thanks to everyone who answered this!    Atlant   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 06:08:04 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replacee= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0208150508.653fdaa2@posting.google.com>i  x "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My-Full-Name@intel-com.spam-ban> wrote in message news:<3D5AD65E.FB3E4C69@intel-com.spam-ban>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > o > > "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote in message news:<ajbap2$19m12g$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>...iA > > > "Alan E. Feldman" <SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM> wrote in messagee= > > > news:343f30ae.0208080811.2e367b88@posting.google.com...  >  [...]K > > > > Wrong!! Sometimes TPU is slower and incorrect!!! See example at the- > > > > end.
 > > > >... > > >hR > > > Sorry, your example shows that EVE is sometimes slower and incorrect (if the= > > > person who wrote the EVE code does not understand EVE).D > >aD > > Yep, I didn't understand that in EVE, GLOBAL doesn't really mean > > GLOBAL. See below. > G >     Comment 1) EVE's GLOBAL REPLACE command (well, really, procedure)"I > is just layered on top of the basic REPLACE command (again, procedure).nL > Therefore, you get essentially the same behaviour as REPLACE _for_matches_J > _in_the_current_direction_ starting from the current editing point.  TheI > only thing EVE_GLOBAL_REPLACE does is to set a flag telling EVE's "workwK > routine", eve$$replace_search_fail, _not_ to prompt at every match found.l> > However, you'd get into a recursive mess if you just allowedI > EVE_GLOBAL_REPLACE to _not_ prompt for searching in the other direction F > and just do it, whereas you'd miss a number of matches (in the otherI > direction) if GLOBAL REPLACE just stopped at the bottom (of top) of thee! > current buffer.  So it prompts.e    ? Well that's silly. I mean really. This functionality is alreadyyF present with the REPLACE command by answering ALL to the first prompt.    I >     Comment 2) The EVE engineers _could_ have, as Peter remarked, set a I > marker at the current position, save the direction, moved to the top of J > buffer, done the GLOBAL REPLACE, reset the direction and repositioned toH > the saved mark.  They didn't, whether because they were in a hurry andI > didn't think of it, or because they thought it more consistent with thee! > way REPLACE works to not do it.     D I don't see even the slightest advantage to having GLOBAL REPLACE be? consistent with REPLACE. There often comes a time when I, and I F presume most users, want to change all occurrences of A to B. The bestB way to write a command to do that is to write one that simply justF does that (what a concept!) and not mess around will silly shenanigans9 about being consistent with something else that itself is 
 questionable.     H >     Comment 3) As Peter knows well, EVE sources (the ENTIRE, BUILDABLEH > CODE SOURCE) are available to anyone who cares.  Look at SYS$EXAMPLES:I > EVE$*.TPU.  If you don't like the way EVE_GLOBAL_REPLACE works now, you H > can fix it!  Pretty easily I'd venture. :-)  Some of us have almost asJ > much TPU source code for our personal extensions and enhancements to EVE' > as there is in SYS$EXAMPLES!  :-) :-)i    D Time sink. My brief experience in modifying TPU sources was from theC late 80's (VMS v4.4 or v5.x IIRC) when I tried to change one of the F EDT emulation routines. I would change a block of code near about lineE one hundred something and when I compiled it TPU would abort with theoD message "Compilation aborted at line 1." Yeah, that was lots of fun. Maybe it's better now.  E (In this respect, and unless you have a very large number of files tonE do global substitutions in, EDT *is* faster because you don't have to @ spend time rewriting the global replace function or learning the madness behind the method.)y  A >     Finally, it seems you have some (not unreasonable) personall7                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^P  
 Thank you!!! i  B If I'm driving a car, and I turn the steering wheel to the left, IC expect the car to go to the left. Imagine if it instead went to thelF right: But sir, the manual clearly states the observed behavior!!! OK,= that's a somewhat large exaggeration. But it makes the point.a    D > expectation of how GLOBAL REPLACE _should_ work, but it is clearlyB > documented how it _does_ work, which is not the same. From EVE's > Help on GLOBAL REPLACE:s [...]r    / So the madness behind the method is documented.      [...]e   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanw- afeldmanNonospam gfigroupNonospam comNonospamb   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 08:41:40 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)o- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace 3 Message-ID: <U65y3Xw+Fq5u@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  n In article <343f30ae.0208150508.653fdaa2@posting.google.com>, SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) writes:   > F > I don't see even the slightest advantage to having GLOBAL REPLACE beA > consistent with REPLACE. There often comes a time when I, and IaH > presume most users, want to change all occurrences of A to B. The bestD > way to write a command to do that is to write one that simply justH > does that (what a concept!) and not mess around will silly shenanigans; > about being consistent with something else that itself isB > questionable.h >   B 	Well.... since you brought up "best way" , I would argue the bestH 	way isn't to write a command procedure for string replacements, but to  	use SED.     % 	Woodworkers have more than one tool.c   				Robl  H "An old Oregon rancher once told me, there are three types of men in theL world.  One type learns from books.  One type learns from observations.  And< one type just has to urinate on the electric fence himself."  <                                         -- Carl Barney, 1996   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:44:58 -0400j- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>6- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replaceF6 Message-ID: <ajgepi$1b7gti$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>  ; "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in messages7 news:b096a4ee.0208141734.47012791@posting.google.com...g >...G > GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL, we're talking about global replaces here. Okay?n) > Did you skip that part of my last post?e  L Actually, I saw your last post after I posted the reply you are replying to,H so yes, I did not address that. All I can say at this point is; I didn'tK write or design EVE. We both seem to agree that whoever did write it made a K mistake (either in naming the command or in the design) but that is the wayi it is.  K I was not trying to defend the way EVE is written, only explain why you sawiF the results you saw in your original post (I am not trying to fight or argue, only explain OK :):):) )o   >...G > > > 1.) TPU is *not* orders of magnitude faster than EDT. An order ofaJ > > > magnitued is a factor of 10. Orders of magnitude are then at least aH > > > factor of 100, minimum. I really doubt we'll get 100X out of this. > >h > > You did not show this. >...5 > > I am not trying to prove nor disprove that one iseJ > > faster than the other. If you want speed then use Fortran, C, COBOL... YouuH > > did show that EVE is not orders of magnitude faster than EDT in thisK > > example. If you want to see if EDT is faster than TPU then take the TPUnG > > example that David Gray included in his original post and work fromh that.c >n >I@ > You're not reading my posts carefully. I only said that in oneE > particular example it took longer for EVE/TPU and said that in manye  K OK, I was going to ignore this, but I guess I do have to argue here becausedH I did read your post carefully. Actually what you said was "TPU is *not*J orders of magnitude faster than EDT." I said "You did not show this." WhatJ you showed was that EVE is not orders of magnitude faster than EDT. SayingL that TPU is not faster when you used EVE for your example is like racing twoL cars, but before the race you attach a trailer full of bricks to the back ofL one car. If you want to say that "TPU is *not* orders of magnitude faster thJ an EDT" then write a TPU (not EVE) procedure and compare them. If you wantF to share your results then go ahead, but don't do it for my benefit; I# really do not care which is faster.t   >...H > > makes sense). What David Gray was doing makes more sense in TPU than EDT, IG > > wouldn't do it in EDT because he was working with <ESC> characters.l Paddy or >  >aF > I would think escape characters would not be a problem. Just use theC > SPEC INS function to put them in the substitute command, save therC > file, and run it as the file-spec for the EDT /COMMAND qualifier.c  G Yes, you can do it with EDT. But *I* wouldn't do it with EDT because itoK requires <ESC> characters in the source. I should have made it clearer thatyH I was only talking about my personal preference, not a technical reason.  I > > Kenneth or someone gave him the answer he was looking for, I just got  intoE > > the thread because it looked like another "TPU is bad because EVEe does..."8 > > thread was starting to splinter off the main thread. >e >oC > Did I mention the fact that we're talking about *global replaces*l > here?i  I Yes you did, and "global replace" is an EVE command. And just because thecI design/writing/naming of the eve_global_replace procedure was not correct-& then it does not mean that TPU is bad.   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:59:49 GMTu1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>v- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace ' Message-ID: <3D5BD4E8.597616EC@fsi.net>a   Rob Young wrote: > p > In article <343f30ae.0208150508.653fdaa2@posting.google.com>, SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) writes: >  > >iH > > I don't see even the slightest advantage to having GLOBAL REPLACE beC > > consistent with REPLACE. There often comes a time when I, and I J > > presume most users, want to change all occurrences of A to B. The bestF > > way to write a command to do that is to write one that simply justJ > > does that (what a concept!) and not mess around will silly shenanigans= > > about being consistent with something else that itself ise > > questionable.  > >. > K >         Well.... since you brought up "best way" , I would argue the bestsP >         way isn't to write a command procedure for string replacements, but to >         use SED. > . >         Woodworkers have more than one tool.  H ...and religiously use the right tool for the job. Each "different" tool is different for a reason.   -- s David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 10:20:42 +0100+ From: vaxinf@dg14 (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) , Subject: Re: how to burn VMS bootable CDs ??- Message-ID: <3d5b645a.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>   H In article <ajbuo1$p3r$4@web1.cup.hp.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:   [snip]   |>J |>  Create a disk partition on an existing OpenVMS disk using the FreewareE |>  LD tool.  INITIALIZE the volume and MOUNT the LD device, and then>E |>  generate a bootable disk onto the LD device; into the partition. gE |>  Dismount the LD device.  Use the FAQ to find CDWRITE or CDRECORD,CF |>  and then use it to burn the disk partition file as an image onto a2 |>  directly-connected CD-R device.  You're done.  |>> |>  OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 contains CD-R (CDWRITE) and LD tools. |>H |>  Various SCSI-based CD-R drives have been found to work.  Donno aboutE |>  ATA/ATAPI or USB CD-R, I haven't tried that.  (We burned some DVD  |>diskshJ |>  using the HP drive and CDWRITE a week or so ago.  Worked on the first J |>  shot.)  I've been using the Plextor PlexWriter series SCSI CD-R drivesD |>  (both the 12/10/xx and 12/4/xx) on OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha
 |>systems.H |>  Works fine.  I'm sure that other modern CD-R devices will also work. |>   Wow! 0A This can't be done by the cdwrite mentioned in the OpenVMS FAQs! p3 Why is called "cdrecord" in the DS25 specification?t  , So could you clarify your statement, please.  " 1. What program comes with a DS25?( 2. Is it cdrecord or a modified cdwrite?  3. Is the source code available?$ 4. Which DVD+R(W) drive can be used?   [snip]  G Addionally read the following sentences about the DVD+R(W) command set!e  @ ================================================================8 This is an excerpt of the README file of cdrecord-ProDVD@ ================================================================; 	This directory includes binary versions of cdrecord-ProDVDs 			for various platforms    ; 	The binaries are intended for testing purposes. They allown= 	you to write either complete DVD-R & DVD-RW media when usingt6 	the -dummy option or to write up to 1 GB of real data 	to a single media.e  > 	IMPORTENT NOTE: DVD+R and DVD+RW are not official DVD formats> 	from the DVD-Forum. The drives are available for a short timeD 	only. There is currently no support for DVD+R/RW in cdrecord-ProDVDA 	and it will take some time because these drives use a completelygA 	different command set and completely different usage paradigmas.aA =================================================================.   regardsD Eberhard   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:05:22 GMTe1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e, Subject: Re: how to burn VMS bootable CDs ??' Message-ID: <3D5BD637.EB5DFE76@fsi.net>B   Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote: > J > In article <ajbuo1$p3r$4@web1.cup.hp.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam > (Hoff Hoffman) writes: >  > [snip] >  > |>L > |>  Create a disk partition on an existing OpenVMS disk using the FreewareG > |>  LD tool.  INITIALIZE the volume and MOUNT the LD device, and then F > |>  generate a bootable disk onto the LD device; into the partition.G > |>  Dismount the LD device.  Use the FAQ to find CDWRITE or CDRECORD, H > |>  and then use it to burn the disk partition file as an image onto a3 > |>  directly-connected CD-R device.  You're done.0 > |>@ > |>  OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 contains CD-R (CDWRITE) and LD tools. > |>J > |>  Various SCSI-based CD-R drives have been found to work.  Donno aboutG > |>  ATA/ATAPI or USB CD-R, I haven't tried that.  (We burned some DVDc	 > |>disksoK > |>  using the HP drive and CDWRITE a week or so ago.  Worked on the firstlL > |>  shot.)  I've been using the Plextor PlexWriter series SCSI CD-R drivesF > |>  (both the 12/10/xx and 12/4/xx) on OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha > |>systems.J > |>  Works fine.  I'm sure that other modern CD-R devices will also work. > |> >  > Wow!B > This can't be done by the cdwrite mentioned in the OpenVMS FAQs!5 > Why is called "cdrecord" in the DS25 specification?u > . > So could you clarify your statement, please. > $ > 1. What program comes with a DS25?* > 2. Is it cdrecord or a modified cdwrite?" > 3. Is the source code available?& > 4. Which DVD+R(W) drive can be used?  H Suggestion to HP and OVMS-Engr.: Fly Eberhard in and consult with him onH CD/DVD write functionality for the next release(s). He seems to know his stuff.   -- t David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systems> http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 18:40:22 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)p, Subject: Re: how to burn VMS bootable CDs ??- Message-ID: <3d5bd976.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>l  ; In article <3D5BD637.EB5DFE76@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"a <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:u   [snip]   |>J |>Suggestion to HP and OVMS-Engr.: Fly Eberhard in and consult with him onJ |>CD/DVD write functionality for the next release(s). He seems to know his |>stuff. |> |>-- a |>David J. Dachteras |>dba DJE Systemsn |>http://www.djesys.com/ |>* |>Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! |>http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t |>   David,  C I'm not against it, but I guess the VMS people have to sponsor thisr journey.  ? I can tell you my bank account in Liechtenstein if you like ...    ebehrard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:05:09 +0200:- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> $ Subject: HTML to plain text or .PDF?' Message-ID: <3D5A4772.CDA6E86D@Free.fr>y  M How would you transform a 1500 pages HTML document made of more than 700 html.E files to plain text (Word or whatever) or PDF? Can Acrobat read HTML?.   Thanks.c   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:08:20 +0200 , From: "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net>( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?6 Message-ID: <ajfnhk$1ahodo$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>  @ "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag! news:3D5A4772.CDA6E86D@Free.fr... J > How would you transform a 1500 pages HTML document made of more than 700 htmlG > files to plain text (Word or whatever) or PDF? Can Acrobat read HTML?  >e  . Proposal : pipe lynx -dump htmlfile > textfile   -- Regards, Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:45:20 +0200o- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> ( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?' Message-ID: <3D5BB070.4690E2D1@Free.fr>a  J I was not clear. I have 700 files. How would I pipe machin truc 700 files?   D.   Rainer Giese wrote:  > B > "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag# > news:3D5A4772.CDA6E86D@Free.fr...aL > > How would you transform a 1500 pages HTML document made of more than 700 > htmlI > > files to plain text (Word or whatever) or PDF? Can Acrobat read HTML?  > >t > 0 > Proposal : pipe lynx -dump htmlfile > textfile   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:15:36 +0100e( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?) Message-ID: <3D5BC598.90AF5997@127.0.0.1>i   Didier Morandi wrote:t > L > I was not clear. I have 700 files. How would I pipe machin truc 700 files? >   D Can you use a wildcard (or a DCL com file loop) then copy/concat the resultant text files?d   -- n? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencest nclews at csc dot comt   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 11:44:49 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?3 Message-ID: <uD20FlYYgAk4@eisner.encompasserve.org>v  W In article <3D5A4772.CDA6E86D@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes:nO > How would you transform a 1500 pages HTML document made of more than 700 htmloG > files to plain text (Word or whatever) or PDF? Can Acrobat read HTML?t  A I would go back to the source .SDML I used to create the HTML :-)l  C Seriously, HTML is a presentation format which gives great freedomsi= to the display engine.  PDF is a presentation format that theV@ display engine must follow precisely with regard to presentationA of elements.  The data you have at the HTML level is "sloppy" andt% better precision is expected for PDF.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:19:56 +0200m- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> ( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?' Message-ID: <3D5BD4AC.B786A4BC@Free.fr>i  R Sure I can but I'll loose page formatting, which is better than nothing, isn't it?  O You give me an idea. I concat all files then I transfer them to my Mac and open ? the resulting file with word, which will turn it to plain text.    Thanks,i   D.   Nic Clews wrote: >  > Didier Morandi wrote:a > >dN > > I was not clear. I have 700 files. How would I pipe machin truc 700 files? > >  > F > Can you use a wildcard (or a DCL com file loop) then copy/concat the > resultant text files?a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:29:12 GMTo8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?2 Message-ID: <IxR69.34$ip1.489611@news.cpqcorp.net>  4 In article <uD20FlYYgAk4@eisner.encompasserve.org>, / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:,  B >I would go back to the source .SDML I used to create the HTML :-)  D Didier, perhaps if you ask very nicely Larry will write you a littleB TECO program to convert your HTML to SDML.  <grin>  Then you couldC use the utility formerly known as "VAXdocument" (is it still calledrA "DECdocument"?) to create TEXT or POSTSCRIPT output.  ACROBAT canE convert the POSTSCRIPT to PDF.   --  G     Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USAaH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:05:02 GMTl. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win955 Message-ID: <29K69.169396$cU1.5494739@news.chello.at>E  Z In article <3D5B253A.3000700@qsl.network>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: >issinoho wrote:F >Pathworks 5.x is a bit ancient, the last of it I used was 5.0d, and ID >upgraded to Pathworks 6.x as soon as it became available and never 
 >looked back.o  G I used V5.0F (with ECO) until I found out (the hard way of course) thatoF our NT admins increased the number of groups from about 100 in JanuaryK to over 300 in March and I had to upgrade PW immediately. Since PW6 crashedhF my system (for over 3 years now) a couple of seconds after system bootM (pool corruption - made by KNB, triggered by a LanMan Auth packet on the LAN)oJ I had to switch to SAMBA V1.x (which was horrible because of n+1 processesK for n clients with every process able and willing to reach 100% CPU instead J of 9 processes for PATHWORKS with all processes together not climbing over 30% CPU)  L SAMBA V2 and ASOVMS V7 (member server) fixed this problems (after 3 years !)  J >Also some clients have restrictions on how long of names can be used for G >the printer share name, or what characters may be in them.  Since you cE >say that it works with DOS/WFW that does not appear to be a problem.A   Good suggestion.  H >One thing to understand about OpenVMS print queues is that they can be I >referenced by logical names.  This gives you great power in configuring b >the print queues.   Good suggestion.   >[snip]oA >If your printer is a PostScript printer, I recommend using DCPS h& >(DECPrint Supervisor) to print to it.   Good suggestion.  F >When you share a printer with a PC application, some PC applications J >tend to change the power up defaults of the printer with each print job, + >and thus distort the following print jobs.a > H >DCPS makes sure that the printer is properly set up for each print job  >that is sent to it. > ; >The right to use DCPS is bundled with the OpenVMS license.r   Yup.  D >If you are having problems printing to a PostScript printer from a G >Microsoft Windows operating system, use the Digital LPS20 driver.  It rH >has worked with every PostScript printer that I have tried, several of 1 >which the vendors did not have a working driver.i  	 Good ideai   -- . Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialistr E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:06:27 GMTi1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>h< Subject: Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95' Message-ID: <3D5BE487.93548366@fsi.net>t   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:  >  > issinoho wrote:aH >  > OK Folks, this one is really killing me; I've seen similar posts on" >  > this but nothing which works. >  >H >  > Situation... AlphaServer 1000 running VMS 7.1, Pathworks 5.0f & UCXF >  > 4.1 LaserJet cabled to a DECserver 300, mapped to an LTA port andC >  > spooled through a queue. Queue shared through Pathworks. ShareiA >  > connected to on Win95 box (native networking components) andE  >  > everything works just fine. > I > I would recommend upgrading your environment to the supported versions.   G Y'know, maybe I'm just in a pissy mood today, but I am *REALLY* gettinge tired of reading that.  H If upgrading were an option, I'm willing to bet that the option would be
 exercised.  G Folks are "stuck" at various versions of VMS and layered products for ar reason. Get over it.  A I understand HP/Q's needs in this area. However, HP/Q needs to beID sensitive to the customers' needs and not view them as oppotunity to "wring blood from the stone".l  H Hint: try asking it as a question: "Is it possible for you to upgrade to@ a more recent version of (x)?" instead of stating it like it's aC prerequisite of some kind. For many, it simply is not an option andy never will be.  G Apologies to John and the group - I'm just not in the mood to hold backr today.   -- . David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/v   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:30:49 GMTcL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")% Subject: Mod_SSL scrambles .XLS; why?a8 Message-ID: <00A1278C.3B90532C@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  	 VMSers --e  	 VMS 7.2-2e DS20E, Alphaserver 800 OSU 3.9r CSWS 1.2 and T1.3o  5 I recently discovered an interesting (to me) problem.e  E For any Excel spreadsheet I tried (which was four different ones fromtE different sources) I could download it using http: on either CSWS or c OSU, no problem.  J Using https on OSU, I could download any Excel spreadsheet and still have ; it be readable by the Excel in Office 2000 on Windows 2000.e  J Using https on CSWS - that is, using mod_ssl - both Netscape (honoring theG MIME-type) and Internet Explorer (honoring the filename) recognized theDI file as an Excel file and brought up Excel, but Excel thought what it had1F wasn't a real spreadsheet and displayed gibberish.  I tried this whileK still running CSWS 1.2 with the most recent patches and with CSWS 1.3 Beta;g
 same results.   E Is this a known problem?  I don't see it with Word files, but perhaps ' they're more resilient for some reason.l   -- Alans    O ===============================================================================l0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056eM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210oO ===============================================================================a   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:47:33 +0000 (UTC)o From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukD Subject: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ???+ Message-ID: <ajg4cl$emo$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   L I was just checking the certifications on Metalink at Oracle to see whether = VMS 7.3-1 had been certified with any versions of Oracle yet.-M I was shocked to find a Note :181307.1 which states that Oracle 9i rel 2 willd+ only be supported on EV56 chips and later. h  M Pre EV56 chips are not desupported by the OS - The latest version of VMS will 9 happily run on them. So why should Oracle desupport them.kH Even if they have to start using /architecture qualifiers when compilingN Oracle to improve performance my understanding was that all such features wereL emulated and hence the code should still run - if not as fast as it would if. compiled using the defaults on earlier alphas.  J There are still tons of EV5 and earlier systems out there hence this seemsN a very strange move by Oracle. Could someone in HP find out whats going on and3 put some pressure on to get this decision reversed.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:04:39 -0700 (PDT),. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>H Subject: Re: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ???@ Message-ID: <20020815150439.40669.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>  . The old story about 450.000 VMS installations.. May be 100.000 VAXes = obsoletes ! And 250.000
 pre EV56 ....i/ Who will install Oracle 9 in old machines which / are not scalable anymore? Oracle 9 demands moreh/ CPU power...it is Internet ready etc... I doubts/ someone using Oracle 9 in a DEC 3000 do power a  E-business site !!!!!u     Regardsp   FC  # --- david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  > 4 > I was just checking the certifications on Metalink > at Oracle to see whether D3 > VMS 7.3-1 had been certified with any versions of 
 > Oracle yet.e5 > I was shocked to find a Note :181307.1 which states= > that Oracle 9i rel 2 will=- > only be supported on EV56 chips and later. h > 4 > Pre EV56 chips are not desupported by the OS - The > latest version of VMS will5 > happily run on them. So why should Oracle desupport  > them.P0 > Even if they have to start using /architecture > qualifiers when compilingr4 > Oracle to improve performance my understanding was > that all such features weret3 > emulated and hence the code should still run - if  > not as fast as it would if0 > compiled using the defaults on earlier alphas. > 5 > There are still tons of EV5 and earlier systems out  > there hence this seems4 > a very strange move by Oracle. Could someone in HP > find out whats going on ande5 > put some pressure on to get this decision reversed.d >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >      ====== ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?& HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:31:10 +0000 (UTC)H From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukH Subject: Re: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ???+ Message-ID: <ajghfu$ipq$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>t  q In article <20020815150439.40669.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes: / >The old story about 450.000 VMS installations.d/ >May be 100.000 VAXes = obsoletes ! And 250.000b >pre EV56 ....0 >Who will install Oracle 9 in old machines which0 >are not scalable anymore? Oracle 9 demands more0 >CPU power...it is Internet ready etc... I doubt0 >someone using Oracle 9 in a DEC 3000 do power a >E-business site !!!!! >D  = Well I want to on my two 2100 5/300 systems each with 3 CPUs.W  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   PS.   N If I can't get Oracle 9i running on these systems which are used for teaching J Oracle then with the decommisioning of these systems that will be that forI VMS at the University. I won't be able to pursuade anybody to buy new VMSh2 systems. All the new admin systems are Unix based.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:27:31 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>eH Subject: Re: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ???8 Message-ID: <3vgnlu4ppcqvhaks3ophk9gp3mu1k38835@4ax.com>  B On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:47:33 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:    K >There are still tons of EV5 and earlier systems out there hence this seemswO >a very strange move by Oracle. Could someone in HP find out whats going on andh4 >put some pressure on to get this decision reversed.  E And it really irks me that Oracle see fit to stick in version checks.tD Upgrade VMS and Oracle or RDB may decide it isn't going to run. Same: if you upgrade the processor to an upcoming EV7 I believe.  F I have heard tales that VMS engineering have to patch out these checksB themselves to test/use Oracle products on  field test hardware and	 software.B  E Ok I understand they got hit by the EV6/Bliss compiler bug but surelyt> a warning message "Untested O/S hardware or software" would beC sufficient if they must. The philosophy of VMS is that applicationseB should not, in general, be expected to break on an upgrade. Oracle have turned this on its head.m  E Oh wait, then I wouldn't be forced to give Oracle money to upgrade togE the latest version just to keep a low priority application available. B Although we keep RDB and DBMS on full support we have a historicalD Oracle application that will either die or move to HP-UX if it won'tF run after an upgrade. I had to argue for the funding to bring it up toD Y2K with Developer 2000 front end and Oracle 8 backend (both on VMS)2 but I don't have that budget to call on next time.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:32:10 GMTn+ From: "Steinar Botten" <sbo@satcom.nera.no>eG Subject: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3?-3 Message-ID: <KqL69.404$67l.181269504@news.telia.no>0  K Is there any reason why I should recompile applications (written in plain CxJ and Pascal - no inline assembly code) when moving from an AlphaServer 4X009 5/300 running OpenVMS 7.1, to a DS10 running OpenVMS 7.3?    Regards, SteinarD   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:46:56 GMTfL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")K Subject: Re: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3? 8 Message-ID: <00A12796.DD35B53C@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  a In article <KqL69.404$67l.181269504@news.telia.no>, "Steinar Botten" <sbo@satcom.nera.no> writes::  L >Is there any reason why I should recompile applications (written in plain CK >and Pascal - no inline assembly code) when moving from an AlphaServer 4X00 : >5/300 running OpenVMS 7.1, to a DS10 running OpenVMS 7.3?  J You certainly shouldn't be required to recompile; OpenVMS Alpha is OpenVMS Alpha, and it should work. p  L However, I believe you're going from EV5 to EV6 when you go from a 5/300 to = a DS10.  If you wanted to recompile with /ARCHITECTURE=EV6 orsK /ARCHITECTURE=HOST you might get more performance out of it, at the expense B of having an image you couldn't count on taking back to your 4100.  J If your applications are statically linked to the CRTL, you might want to ! relink to the current one on 7.3.n   -- Alan   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056aM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210-O ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 09:53:14 -07004 From: bbaxter@denvernewspaperagency.com (Bob Baxter)K Subject: Re: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3?r= Message-ID: <477fb6c5.0208150853.3d5d8b81@posting.google.com>d  f "Steinar Botten" <sbo@satcom.nera.no> wrote in message news:<KqL69.404$67l.181269504@news.telia.no>...M > Is there any reason why I should recompile applications (written in plain CML > and Pascal - no inline assembly code) when moving from an AlphaServer 4X00; > 5/300 running OpenVMS 7.1, to a DS10 running OpenVMS 7.3?  > 
 > Regards,	 > Steinard  D You shouldn't need to recompile your apps, but if you can you shouldD parallel or run an extensive test. That's the only you will know for sure.-  > When we did a similar upgrade, our existing programs ran fine.? However, the COBOL compiler quit working so we couldn't compile 	 anything.e  F If I remember, the resolution was that we needed to patch to the COBOL	 compiler.w  
 Bob Baxter Denver Newspaper Agency    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:50:52 GMTa1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t% Subject: Sales & Marketing Acumen - I.' Message-ID: <3D5BE0DE.FCAB7318@fsi.net>i   <rant>G These are a couple of points I thought worthy of starting a new thread. F They are *REAL* sore points with some of us, so I wanted to underscore2 the issues for those who lurk or participate here.  % Ignore this advice at your own peril.,  E ...and no, I'm not intentionally "picking on" the original poster. HeiD just said it so succinctly and so representatively that it demands a response, IMO.   Another poster wrote:a > [snip]D > Having you contact me directly allows me to sell you an hour of myA > time, which will save you weeks of messing around by yourself. o  ? In the greater world-at-large, some view this as "hucksterism".y  G In the first place, there is plenty of opportunity to sell yourself and>A your time during the normal sales cycle. There is no need to riskiC missing or losing an opportunity by trying to "wring blood from theuH stone". Plenty of folks do it, including the Q, but my answer to that isA the standard question: how many "wrongs" *DOES* it take to make aa	 "right"? e  B Be careful about choosing your role models. You can learn from the4 mistakes of others or repeat them. It's your choice.  A Yes, you should make the most of each opportunity, but not at the0" expense of the opportunity itself.  E If folks can't get what they want from you at first glance they'll gom someplace else. Get over it. 9  E If they can't get what they need any place else, there is a very realkH probability they'll elect to do without. If you don't believe that, justF ask yourself why Windows dominates the market and VMS's marketshare isE in the state its in. Do folks need the stability, reliability, power,eB etc. of VMS? Certainly. Are they willing to do without in favor ofF meeting their budgetary requirements? I'm sure the state of the market speaks for itself.  E In the second place, that "weeks of messing around by yourself" crackhD could easily be taken as snobbery, condescension or both. I wouldn't4 recommend that as a sales tactic, suffice it to say.  F Edify your prospects (are you listening HP/Q?). You'll do very well in
 the long run.f   > ItD > also allows an opportunity to find out which version might be bestC > (since there are now 7 different versions, with more on the way).h  G Here again, this could be taken as a "dis" (new American slang for "actxF of disrespect"). Oddly enough, adding a single word takes a good chunkE of the "edge" off of that: "It also allows an opportunity to find outhC together which version might be best (in your case)". This at leastOA implies that you have expertise to bring to the table to help the 6 customer digest the information in his/her possession.   Specific comments to HP/Q:  E Repeated posts here have asked/requested/demanded that pricing be puttB on-line where it can accessed without wasting hundreds of hours on7 telephone tag, e-mail and meetings with sales critters.r  G The old adage is just as meaningful today as ever, maybe more: "Time ish money".l  G The sales force needs to respect the intelligence and capability of theeF prospects by providing information, asking questions, then getting the hell out of the way.  ? One of the greatest needs occurs months or even years pre-sale: G budgeting. We need pricing without pulling teeth, killing foreign headscC of state, breaking into Fort Knox, etc. and we need it *YESTERDAY*.t </rant>f  H Strictly my opinion. Your mileage may vary, some restrictions apply, notA suitable for all audiences, consult an expert before deciding, nosF purchase necessary, void where prohibited by law, not available in all) areas, see store display for details, ...e   -- n David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:13:47 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>J) Subject: Re: Sales & Marketing Acumen - In; Message-ID: <01KLC5TW66VO970ARJ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>b  I > The old adage is just as meaningful today as ever, maybe more: "Time isn
 > money".    Given:        time is money      knowledge is power    definition:a      power = energy/time  
 substitution:a      knowledge = energy/moneys   solving for money, we get0      money = energy/knowledge   G Thus, as knowledge goes to zero, money goes to infinity, regardless of n the energy expended.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:09:39 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> ) Subject: Re: Sales & Marketing Acumen - I'? Message-ID: <mfR69.128051$sA3.221041@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>f  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D5BE0DE.FCAB7318@fsi.net...e   <snip>   > Specific comments to HP/Q: >fG > Repeated posts here have asked/requested/demanded that pricing be put/D > on-line where it can accessed without wasting hundreds of hours on9 > telephone tag, e-mail and meetings with sales critters.b >dI > The old adage is just as meaningful today as ever, maybe more: "Time isr	 > money".r > I > The sales force needs to respect the intelligence and capability of theqH > prospects by providing information, asking questions, then getting the > hell out of the way. >nA > One of the greatest needs occurs months or even years pre-sale:.I > budgeting. We need pricing without pulling teeth, killing foreign headslE > of state, breaking into Fort Knox, etc. and we need it *YESTERDAY*.-	 > </rant>- >-J > Strictly my opinion. Your mileage may vary, some restrictions apply, notC > suitable for all audiences, consult an expert before deciding, noLH > purchase necessary, void where prohibited by law, not available in all+ > areas, see store display for details, ...p >e  L Your opinion is shared by many, including enterprise resellers who find thatG getting prices out of HPQ is like pulling teeth. Have heard many horrorfL stories, some worthy of publication in SKHPC. Except many would regard these truths to be blantant fiction.  K You obviously know otherwise. Perhaps one or more HP folks have slipped andb; fallen, injuring their heads on the proverbial "hard deck."s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:02:27 +0200I- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>l3 Subject: Re: TCPIP TELNET service on alternate portu& Message-ID: <3D5A46D1.4BC823E@Free.fr>   Salut,  ? The TCPIP$CONFIG.COM procedure does this for TELNET on port 23:   = $TCPIP set serv telnet /port=23/flag=TCPIP/inact=1/limit=50 - & /socket=(keep,receiv:3000,send:3000) -? /log=(activ,noaddr,deact,conn,error,login,logout,modify,reject)y   Try.   D.   Bernard Giroud wrote:  > 	 > Hi all,= > G > Is it possible to define a HP stack TCPIP TELNET service listening onl > alternateo< > ports (say 30000 and 30001) on top of traditional port 23? > K > I tried something like "set service mytelnet/port=30000/prot=tcp ..." but- > theIE > syntax of the command needs the keywords /user, /file. If I specify=H > /file=sys$system:tcpip$telnet.exe, it still starts the login procedure$ > of the user (in this case SYSTEM). >  > Any ideas?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:49:33 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com- Subject: Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge ? Message-ID: <OF91243DB9.C3DEAC03-ON85256C16.004508E2@metso.com>t   Rob,J Thank you for the update and for the work.  As ever, it wants to be solid, not soonest. -Normo        C brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) on 08/14/2002 09:55:15 PM5  ; Please respond to brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)h   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: 0 Subject:    Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge      norm.raphael@metso.com writes:t >i- > Is the TIMA for FC Minimerge part of V7.3-1c1 > or is that later (and of course, if later, when 2 > (which I do not expect is known, but might be))? > -Normi  A The plan (always subject to change) is to provide HSG80 minimergenC via an ECO kit for V7.3-1 at some point in the future.  It will notuC be on the V7.3-1 kit for a very good reason -- we haven't completede
 the work yet!   J My best guess is some time in the late fall.  I can't be any more specificK because we haven't finished writing all the code yet.  For those of you who-D subscribe to the source listings (is the [shadowing] facility on the
 listings?)I SHDRIVER.MAR has grown by over 1,000 blocks, with correspondingly similaroI growth in SHD_MERGE, SHD_LOCK, SHD_INIT, etc . . .  This is a substantial2
 modification!.  $ It'll be worth the wait, though! :-)   --  / Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group0 brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comm   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 11:24:30 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n- Subject: Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge93 Message-ID: <BgpOJFQI$+yz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <PIcMvRfWLYQo@cuebid.zko.dec.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:o  L > My best guess is some time in the late fall.  I can't be any more specificM > because we haven't finished writing all the code yet.  For those of you whoiQ > subscribe to the source listings (is the [shadowing] facility on the listings?)e  
 Yes it is.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 02:08:03 -07000 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran), Subject: Re: VAXstation 3100 not starting up< Message-ID: <948f0720.0208150108.469e5c2@posting.google.com>  h Mr Beermat <beermat.geo@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<a2hklu8l2k4gompe7677rvgf7o642aasml@4ax.com>...3 > I should have googled a bit more before posting :l> > http://www.centon.com/dec1480w.htm tells me I need a pair of > MS44-AA's...  E I think I may be able to help you, but can anyone confirm that a cardrF labelled 54-19145-AU and 5019144-01 AIP2 5419145 4 MEG MEM is from the% MS44 series? (Or if not, what is it?)c  , I've got a load here looking for good homes.   Chris (London, UK)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:08:05 +0000 (UTC)o* From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.cc.jyu.fi>, Subject: Re: VAXstation 3100 not starting up, Message-ID: <ajfui5$ace$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  1 Chris Doran <chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk> wrote:?j > Mr Beermat <beermat.geo@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<a2hklu8l2k4gompe7677rvgf7o642aasml@4ax.com>...? >> http://www.centon.com/dec1480w.htm tells me I need a pair ofa >> MS44-AA's...:  5 Doesn't need to be in pairs, but you need at least 2.?  G > I think I may be able to help you, but can anyone confirm that a card4H > labelled 54-19145-AU and 5019144-01 AIP2 5419145 4 MEG MEM is from the' > MS44 series? (Or if not, what is it?)0  F AFAIK, those are MS44L which doesn't work in 3100/76 . DEC MS44-AA has( markings: 5419103, 5019079-01 and A1P3 .   regards   Osmo Kujala H P.S. There was part number lookup page some time. Anyone know if such isF      available now? We are wasting plenty of working hours in guessing      which part is which etc.      ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:53:46 +0100b% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e! Subject: Re: VMS Commitment EMAILt8 Message-ID: <arqmlus177m6rharhkab4d5rjkcqk9majj@4ax.com>  < On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:31:42 -0500, "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" <Edward.Lucas@bp.com> wrote:   >Hello Everyonew >t7 >On July 15, 2002 I had sent an email "VMS Commitment".l >eF >The email was in no way intended to BASH or paint a bad picture aboutG >management.  The wording I used was inappropriate. I sent the email ton1 >receive assistance and information to assist me.5  @ Here I'll quote the advice from our corporate email faq which, I think, puts it very well.   B When you compose your next e-mail message, imagine being asked twoD years from now to explain what you meant by it. Can anything in yourD message be reasonably misconstrued? Imagine that message being blownC up on a four foot by five foot poster board and made totally publicrD for anybody to review and question. Could it withstand that level ofF intense scrutiny? How can we address this issue without inhibiting ourF current and future use of this information technology or turning every, e-mail user into a boring, humorless writer?  9 I would add: "Post from a private account where possible"s        L >I do have a serious project that details eliminating the VMS environment. I@ >am not happy about the prospect of loosing the VMS environment.H >I cannot be biased  regarding the project.  I will be open to all otherJ >platforms. I do need to sell management on the advantages of staying with9 >the VMS environment and not switching to a new platform.t > J >I apologize to everyone that I have offended, I apologize to BP oil and I >apologize to management.y >pC >I received very good assistance from HP and from numerous users.  e >vG >The representatives from HP have contacted me via email and phone. TheiL >assistance HP provided has helped me considerably.  My thanks go out to all >at HP.  >h >Edward A. Lucas! >Sr. VAX/VMS System Administratoro >SAIC  >Phone:  (216) 525-7492g >Email:   Lucaea@bp.com  >-   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:05:35 GMTm) From: "James M. Knox" <jknox@trisoft.com>u& Subject: Re: VMS to OpenVMS conversion5 Message-ID: <Xns926B5C822E5Ejknoxtrisoftcom@10.0.0.1>6  * nickerson@pundit.ds.boeing.com () wrote in! news:H0t6n1.99r@news.boeing.com: a  G > not having the source code is really a showstopper if you want it allnD > to run on Alpha; I would not recommend DECmigrate except as a very) > very temporary attempt to run on Alpha;-  E Fortunately, the application for which we do not have source - while mE huge - is also not used very often.  That means that speed is not an )< issue.  If it runs correctly, we don't care how efficiently.  F > 0) you don't say what version of VAX VMS the code currently runs on;       	VMS 5.3  = > 1) form a mixed VAX & Alpha VMScluster running OpenVMS 7.3;c  G We've been told by HP that we can't do this.  They say the Alpha won't tI cluster with VMS that old.  [And no, again for reasons we don't control, g we can't upgrade.]  G > 2) and now make sure the application is ok for VMS 7.3 VAX; nail downe. >    some good regression tests at this point;  ; We have allocated about a year just for regression testing.I       	    	    	    	tnx, jmk    / -----------------------------------------------a
 James M. Knoxl/ TriSoft                        ph  512-385-0316y/ 1109-A Shady Lane              fax 512-366-4331x/ Austin, Tx 78721              jknox@trisoft.comt/ -----------------------------------------------a   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 11:51:24 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)=& Subject: Re: VMS to OpenVMS conversion3 Message-ID: <qhhB$gebyf9U@eisner.encompasserve.org>@  a In article <Xns926B5C822E5Ejknoxtrisoftcom@10.0.0.1>, "James M. Knox" <jknox@trisoft.com> writes:a, > nickerson@pundit.ds.boeing.com () wrote in# > news:H0t6n1.99r@news.boeing.com: = > H >> not having the source code is really a showstopper if you want it allE >> to run on Alpha; I would not recommend DECmigrate except as a very * >> very temporary attempt to run on Alpha; > G > Fortunately, the application for which we do not have source - while  G > huge - is also not used very often.  That means that speed is not an  > > issue.  If it runs correctly, we don't care how efficiently.  ? Then as a worst case fallback you can use full elmulation mode.   G >> 0) you don't say what version of VAX VMS the code currently runs on;i >  >     	VMS 5.3 > > >> 1) form a mixed VAX & Alpha VMScluster running OpenVMS 7.3; > I > We've been told by HP that we can't do this.  They say the Alpha won't t > cluster with VMS that old.  C That is correct.  I presume that answer was from a different personyB than the one who wanted you to upgrade from VMS to OpenVMS on VAX.  C By the way, you are lucky your VAX VMS version is that old.  If youc> had rebuilt the program on version V7.3 there is a good chance DECmigrate would not work.  H >> 2) and now make sure the application is ok for VMS 7.3 VAX; nail down/ >>    some good regression tests at this point;: > = > We have allocated about a year just for regression testing.j  F Independent of DECmigrate or VAX or Alpha, that is a good idea for any" mission-critical computer project.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:08:01 -0400i; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>r Subject: Re: VNC install failh$ Message-ID: <3d5bd1f0$1@news.si.com>  E >Has anyone else had this problem when trying to install VNC V1.1 ...s  K I didn't use VMSINSTAL to install VNCVIEWER.  I just copied  the files to a I directory of my choice, made sure VNC_SYMBOLS.COM was correct and stuck a B reference to it in my login procedure.  I don't even have the file VNC_STARTUP.COM. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comtA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comp= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:17:00 GMTqF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) Subject: Re: VS3100 questions 1 Message-ID: <gRN69.5$T71.171142@news.cpqcorp.net>o  9 As others have noted, V5.5-2 does not qualify as "recent"m0 by most people's standards of computer software.  5 (Some people would say anything over a year old isn'ty, "recent", but perhaps that's another topic.)  " For older versions of OpenVMS, try  ' $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI ("HW_NAME")t  3 or follow Hoff's suggestion and get the particularsi% of your system at the console prompt.    -- r(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have an5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post..   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:31:28 GMTh) From: Andrew Balaam <abalaam@yahoo.co.uk>c Subject: VWS questionn4 Message-ID: <20020815.6312800.3627404053@imagnu.geo>   Hi,dI Does anyone know whether there are VWS drivers for the SPX graphics card=o =20nI on a VAX? I have some software that runs under VWS, and at the moment,=20 F the fastest VAXstation I can get with GPX is the 3100/76. I have a =20I VAXstation 4000/90 and would really like to run this software on that. I=c =20fG have tried the VWS->DECwindows migration package, but it is not very=20t reliable, nor very 'snappy'!G I know that there was no official support for VWS/SPX, but I thought=20tE there were unofficial / unsupported drivers knocking about somewhere.i Andrew.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:38:54 GMT.5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>a Subject: Re: VWS question 2 Message-ID: <yOQ69.31$Tn1.445551@news.cpqcorp.net>  J Andrew Balaam wrote in message <20020815.6312800.3627404053@imagnu.geo>... Hi, H Does anyone know whether there are VWS drivers for the SPX graphics card	 on a VAX?h  	     Nope.   < I have some software that runs under VWS, and at the moment,B the fastest VAXstation I can get with GPX is the 3100/76. I have aH VAXstation 4000/90 and would really like to run this software on that. ID have tried the VWS->DECwindows migration package, but it is not very reliable, nor very 'snappy'!  B     Worked pretty well on a Alpha 10 years ago when I tried it ;-)  D I know that there was no official support for VWS/SPX, but I thoughtE there were unofficial / unsupported drivers knocking about somewhere.d  G     Nope.  Never were.  Never will be.  The GPX was the last thing everl- worked on officially or unofficially for VSW.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:17:05 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>p# Subject: [OT] Delay in msg posting?-' Message-ID: <3D5B3951.64F483AC@Free.fr>   L What could cause a news server to deliver posts twelve hours after they were successfully sent to it?   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:10:28 +0100r( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>3 Subject: Re: [OT] Delay in msg posting? (annexe #1)") Message-ID: <3D5B7004.938A2C69@127.0.0.1>o   Didier Morandi wrote:i >   F It depends on the NNTP connections between the ISP of the first postedD message, and the second. When I post this, it depends when my serverF connects with other servers, and the message propagates. It could be a@ deliberate setting, but could be transient network connectivity.  G TCP/IP was never designed as an 'always on' network, the network itselfiE deals with outages and problems much better than the vast majority of1! the applications layered onto it.a  G Sometimes it is not configured the best way it can be. It is called theeG interNET and not the interPOINTtoPOINT, and some administrators do seem:E to gloss over this fact when configuring in single points of failure.b -- /? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesr nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.448 ************************as ever, maybe more: "Time isr	 > money".r > I > The sales force needs to respect the intelligence and capability of theqH > prospects by providing information, asking questions, then getting the > hell out of the way. >nA > One of the greatest needs occurs months or even years pre-sale:.I > budgeting. We need pricing without pulling teeth, killing foreign headslE > of state, breaking into Fort Knox, etc. and @֣    A֣    B֣    C֣    D֣    E֣    F֣    G֣    H֣    I֣    J֣    K֣    L֣    M֣    N֣    O֣    P֣    Q֣    R֣    S֣    T֣    U֣    V֣    W֣    X֣    Y֣    Z֣    [֣    \֣    ]֣    ^֣    _֣    `֣    a֣    b֣    c֣    d֣    e֣    f֣    g֣    h֣    i֣    j֣    k֣    l֣    m֣    n֣    o֣    p֣    q֣    r֣    s֣    t֣    u֣    v֣    w֣    x֣    y֣    z֣    {֣    |֣    }֣    ~֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣    ֣     ף    ף    ף    ף    ף    ף    ף    ף    ף    	ף    
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