1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 16 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 449       Contents: Available Positions  Re: Available Positions  Re: Available Positions < Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion< Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion< Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion< Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion Re: DCL question" Digital Books and Manuals For Sale Re: EMAIL I had sent Re: EMAIL I had sent< EVE Wildcard Find (was Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace)@ Re: EVE Wildcard Find (was Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace) Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: FTP> get *.* does not work Re: Going 7.2-1 -> 7.3-13 Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines. 3 Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines. $ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace$ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace$ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace$ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace$ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace$ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace$ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace$ Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace# Re: how to burn VMS bootable CDs ??  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?  Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF? < I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?3 Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95 < Licenses (was Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha]...)) OpenVMS XWindow  Re: OpenVMS XWindow  Re: OpenVMS XWindow ? RE: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ??? ? Re: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ??? B Re: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3?B Re: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3?  Re: Sales & Marketing Acumen - I  Re: Sales & Marketing Acumen - I$ Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge VMS in M$ ad Re: VMS in M$ ad Re: VS3100 questions Re: VWS question XFC v2 ECO, negative report  Re: XFC v2 ECO, negative report  Re: XFC v2 ECO, negative report   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 12:03:15 -0700) From: mjones@analysts.com (Michele Jones)  Subject: Available Positions= Message-ID: <11bb14da.0208151103.5a869fbe@posting.google.com>    Hello Everyone,   F I was hoping I could gain your help.  I currently have several opening> for QA testers with Dec/VAX VMS experience. These are contractD positions in St. Louis, MO.  If you are interested and would like toD learn more or know any one that might be could you please contact me  toll free at 1-888-773-3403x720.   Thank You, Michele Jones Analysts International Corp. www.analysts.com mjones@analysts.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:32:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>   Subject: Re: Available Positions, Message-ID: <3D5C01C9.C62E5D17@videotron.ca>   Didier Morandi wrote:  > * > How do you call toll free from Toulouse?  J Didier, some countries now offer a way to access those tol free numbers. IJ know that in Australia, you can dial USA toll free numbers by changing theL area code to a specific one and get a warning that this call is being billedM as an overseas call and is not toll free, but you get to the destination  and  that is what matters.   & Perhaps France has something similar ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:05:41 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>   Subject: Re: Available Positions' Message-ID: <3D5BFB84.7CC3CE33@Free.fr>   ( How do you call toll free from Toulouse?   :-)    D.   Michele Jones wrote: >  > Hello Everyone,  > H > I was hoping I could gain your help.  I currently have several opening@ > for QA testers with Dec/VAX VMS experience. These are contractF > positions in St. Louis, MO.  If you are interested and would like toF > learn more or know any one that might be could you please contact me" > toll free at 1-888-773-3403x720.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:15:18 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion - Message-ID: <3D5BB776.7581.1348756@localhost>   / On 15 Aug 2002 at 11:20, Larry Kilgallen wrote: H > That is strange.  I have done Qbus drivers for Alpha, but did not know( > that such a thing existed for Windows.  4 Check out:  http://www.logical-co.com/Qbus/q-bus.htm  
 --Stan Quayle ! President, Quayle Consulting Inc.   
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-  16711 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:44:44 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion ' Message-ID: <3D5BF69C.E5DE4C48@Free.fr>   V No. He is talking about the Windows version of CHARON-VAX, not a Q-BUS Windows driver.   D.   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > \ > In article <3D5B81A2.18537.6244B8@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes: > G > > When I discuss the Windows version, I make it clear that you should I > > NEVER, EVER, run anything else on the box -- make it a 100% dedicated 5 > > server.  The Alpha OpenVMS version is rock solid.  > > I > > The only exception is when you have some Q-bus hardware to support -- D > > which lots of VAX people do -- the hardware and software is only" > > available for Windows.  *sigh* > H > That is strange.  I have done Qbus drivers for Alpha, but did not know( > that such a thing existed for Windows.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 13:45:54 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion 3 Message-ID: <FPvgZr1kxI3W@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <3D5BB776.7581.1348756@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:1 > On 15 Aug 2002 at 11:20, Larry Kilgallen wrote: I >> That is strange.  I have done Qbus drivers for Alpha, but did not know ) >> that such a thing existed for Windows.  > 6 > Check out:  http://www.logical-co.com/Qbus/q-bus.htm  ; Yes, that is the device for which I did Alpha Qbus drivers.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 13:46:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion 3 Message-ID: <SPaJuZQjndXI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <3D5BB776.7581.1348756@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:1 > On 15 Aug 2002 at 11:20, Larry Kilgallen wrote: I >> That is strange.  I have done Qbus drivers for Alpha, but did not know ) >> that such a thing existed for Windows.  > 6 > Check out:  http://www.logical-co.com/Qbus/q-bus.htm  > ...or were you pointing out that their web site has prices :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:27:11 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: DCL question 4 Message-ID: <1020815162347.415B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  * On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Didier Morandi wrote:   > Matt Muggeridge wrote: > > ' > > > btw, what is the meaning of this:  > >  > > It means...  > >  > > $ telnet > > TELNET> help create_session  > M > So, $ TELNET create_session and $ TELNET /create_session do the same thing? C > This does not comply with DEC Human Engineering practices, to me.  >  > D. No.    $ telnet TELNET> create_session  7 is the internal command when you are already in TELNET.   B $ TELNET /create_session does the same thing as a DCL command line  I $ TELNET create_session tries to connect to a host named "create_session"    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Aug 2002 19:59:02 GMT! From: swmoretp@aol.com (SWMORETP) + Subject: Digital Books and Manuals For Sale 9 Message-ID: <20020815155902.29646.00000502@mb-mo.aol.com>   N We have these DEC (Digital Equipment Corp) books and manuals for sale on eBay.K You can do a search by the item number you are interested in or by seller:  N swmoretp@aol.com  to see the full list. The end time is US west coast time. WeM ship anywhere and ship multiple wins together by cheaper Book Rate/Media Mail  to save on shipping.3 VAX-11 780 Architecture Handbook, 1977-78 Digital    2046407756  Aug-21 20:12:20 - VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures Digital    2046408480  Aug-21 20:14:49 - Local Area Networks Solutions Guide Digital    2046408841  Aug-21 20:16:52 $ Programming in VAX-11 C by Digital   2046409292  Aug-21 20:19:02 + DECchip 21064 Microprocessor Book Digital    2046409747  Aug-21 20:21:17 / Digital Technical Journal, Vol 4, No 4 by DEC    2046410263  Aug-21 20:24:08 / Digital Technical Journal, Vol 5, No 2 by DEC    2046410734  Aug-21 20:26:13 / Digital Technical Journal, Vol 8, No 4 by DEC    2046411144  Aug-21 20:28:06 / Digital Technical Journal, Vol 9, No 3 by DEC    2046412602  Aug-21 20:34:41 C Excellent PDP, VAX History/Info Book, Computer Engineering by DEC    2045653004  Aug-21 20:40:47    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:04:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: EMAIL I had sent , Message-ID: <3D5BED29.F8142625@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote: G > Actually, if all works as designed, the cancel propagates as does the 8 > message.  Some servers, however, don't honour cancels.  I Not sure if Google honours NNTP cancels. If the message is already in the  database, it may not do much.   H More importantly, in the case of comp.os.vms, since it is gatewayed to aN mailing list, the cancel message will not and cannot erase your post which wasM already sent by email to all mail subscribers (info vax). i.e. the cancel may G work for usenet comp.os.vms, but it won't go into info-vax subscriber's # mailboxes to remove the message :-(    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:55:39 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: EMAIL I had sent F Message-ID: <vrV69.9215$sa1.3196@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message # news:3D5B8565.FC7A03C1@127.0.0.1...  > J > I like Alan's company advice, very clear. I understand Edward's post andH > I wouldn't need him to explain it to me. This is why passion has a lot> > to do with VMS, and why I suggested it as a marketing angle. > H As Ernest Hemingway once said, "Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain< climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games."  L Perhaps we can add passionate support of VMS to the list of real sports. It,C like the other real sports, can be fatal to those who engage in it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:54:09 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> E Subject: EVE Wildcard Find (was Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace) 6 Message-ID: <ajh4dp$1bglu2$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:p6kMTlN7qJfU@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >... > Wildcard Find:  b\[aeiou]t >  > and you can match these: >  > bet  > bat  > but  > bit  >  > It won't catch these:  >  > beet > beat  F I had a bit of time to look at the help and I noticed that you can tryJ b\[aeiou]\:t or b\[aeiou]\.t. The first matches all of examples above. TheJ second matches all of them plus bt. Both will also match beeeet. A look atK the source shows that you can issue the command TPU EVE$X_DEBUG := 1 to see  the pattern that EVE builds.   > And this doesn't work: >  > Wildcard Find: b\[aeiou]+t >   L I know almost nothing about regular expressions so I have to ask, what would$ this do if EVE handled it correctly?  I While on the topic, I recently did a small Fortran program where I had to K call STR$MATCH_WILD. STR$MATCH_WILD allows for * and % characters, but that J is basically it. Does anyone know of a callable regular expression routineL that I can build into my program? i.e. IF (STRING .EQS. '\[aeiou]\0-9') THEN ...      -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 19:41:10 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) I Subject: Re: EVE Wildcard Find (was Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replace) 3 Message-ID: <yL3STLoRUFdl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <ajh4dp$1bglu2$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>, "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:: > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:p6kMTlN7qJfU@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >>...  >> Wildcard Find:  b\[aeiou]t  >> >> and you can match these:  >> >> bet >> bat >> but >> bit >> >> It won't catch these: >> >> beet  >> beat  > H > I had a bit of time to look at the help and I noticed that you can tryL > b\[aeiou]\:t or b\[aeiou]\.t. The first matches all of examples above. TheL > second matches all of them plus bt. Both will also match beeeet. A look atM > the source shows that you can issue the command TPU EVE$X_DEBUG := 1 to see  > the pattern that EVE builds. >  >> And this doesn't work:  >> >> Wildcard Find: b\[aeiou]+t  >> > N > I know almost nothing about regular expressions so I have to ask, what would& > this do if EVE handled it correctly? >   ? 	EVE does.  I had never stumbled upon \: that is the equivalent  	to +    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:47:13 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> ! Subject: Fortune Magazine wrapper * Message-ID: <ajgsvn$hsp$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  L Just letting you know that there is a limited mailing taking place.  It is aK Fortune magazine with an hp wrapper.  There is allot of verbiage but I will < write in the good stuff.  I am not sure of the distribution. sue     D Outside Cover is a picture of a pretty woman and underneath it says.  ? "The new hp: total committed to hp AlphaServer systems and you.   
 Turn the page 3 blue box that simply has ROI (return on investment) 	 Paragraph 	 Paragraph K Right now, we're extending business value further with enterprise solutions L based on the Compaq AlphaServer systems - now called HP AlphaServer systems.I The time tested systems - running HP Tru64 UNIX, HP OpenVMS and Linux are E designed to address your most business-critical requirements, brining H lasting values to areas such as cost-effective and pervasive management,L continuous and secure operation of you IT investments, efficient utilization$ of your IT resources and lowest TCO.  K Our roadmaps remain unchanged with a continued commitment to HP AlphaServer K systems through a smote evolution to the Itanium processor family, enabling L you to protect your investments and transition when it's right for you.  YouI can rest assured that the solutions we deliver and support will always be H designed to help you gain a competitive advantage through reduced costs,B simplified operation, reduced risk and faster reaction to business opportunities.   closing paragraph   1 Improving your ROI so you can remain competitive.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:56:38 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> % Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper ' Message-ID: <3D5BFE5A.C2649F66@fsi.net>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > N > Just letting you know that there is a limited mailing taking place.  It is aM > Fortune magazine with an hp wrapper.  There is allot of verbiage but I will > > write in the good stuff.  I am not sure of the distribution. > sue  > [snip]   Sue,     Thanx much for posting this.  F I can't respond to it today - I'm in too much of a nasty mood, and I'd6 end up saying things I'd regret for a long, long time.  D Suffice it to say: they (marketing) haven't heard a word we've said, IMO.   -- V David J. DachteraM dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:00:08 +0200i- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> % Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapperI' Message-ID: <3D5BFA37.6AFEA307@Free.fr>H   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  ../.. H > I can't respond to it today - I'm in too much of a nasty mood, and I'd8 > end up saying things I'd regret for a long, long time.   Do not "post" it in Google :-)   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:41:56 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper , Message-ID: <3D5C03FD.473DAB7F@videotron.ca>   Sue Skonetski wrote: > N > Just letting you know that there is a limited mailing taking place.  It is aM > Fortune magazine with an hp wrapper.  There is allot of verbiage but I willT> > write in the good stuff.  I am not sure of the distribution. > suep > F > Outside Cover is a picture of a pretty woman and underneath it says. > A > "The new hp: total committed to hp AlphaServer systems and you.    Stop right there.   L STOP USING THE WORD "COMMITMENT" WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALPHA.  Also stop using "product roadmap".C At least that document didn't have the expression "plan of record".   M In HP/Compaq parlance, customers have learned that "commitment" is a bad word M and reminds customers that they should distrust the vendor's claims, and thatt- any text below cannot be taken at face value.   N The marketing idea of a wrapper is very good. But the repeated use of the wordN commitment ruins it all.  There is no need to constantly remind customers thatL Compaq broke its commitment on Alpha. Just mention that alpha provides great performance, ROI etc.   N Marketing the product alone means that HP really means what it says in the ad.M Marketing it with the word "commitment" means that HP is stuck with a productpK it doesn't like but still does the bare minimum, and might break commitmentn3 given a chance. (which is exactly what Compaq did).7   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:38:11 GMT01 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>r% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper ? Message-ID: <7bV69.129391$sA3.220986@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>-  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D5BFE5A.C2649F66@fsi.net...t > Sue Skonetski wrote: > >cK > > Just letting you know that there is a limited mailing taking place.  Itg is aJ > > Fortune magazine with an hp wrapper.  There is allot of verbiage but I will@ > > write in the good stuff.  I am not sure of the distribution. > > suea
 > > [snip] >n > Sue, >  > Thanx much for posting this. >dH > I can't respond to it today - I'm in too much of a nasty mood, and I'd8 > end up saying things I'd regret for a long, long time. >JF > Suffice it to say: they (marketing) haven't heard a word we've said, > IMO.  I Sounds like the right things are being said... at least to those who read L Fortune. On the bright side, better Fortune than Hustler or the Weekly World	 News. ;-}3   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:47:30 -0400c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>u% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrappert, Message-ID: <3D5C59B0.BC0021F2@videotron.ca>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:M > (Despite JF's unhappiness with the words "commitment" and "roadmap" I thinkdO > those are fine here; the CEOs didn't hear that stuff from Compaq, so the well Q > isn't already poisoned for them, and they really do have to hear something that-+ > says Alpha systems are still being made.)5    J HP has said that Alpha is to be targetted at existing users. It is in thisE context that I see that advertising effort directed at existing AlphalI customers and those know very well the Compaq/HP meaning of "commitment".l  N Remember that Sue has mentioned that this mailing with the special cover is toM be a targetted mailing. One can assume that it would be sent to the installedo2 base and not a blind mailing to windows customers.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:44:56 GMTs1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> % Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper ' Message-ID: <3D5C4FFB.F763047B@fsi.net>S   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:. > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3D5BFE5A.C2649F66@fsi.net...1 > > Sue Skonetski wrote: > > >0M > > > Just letting you know that there is a limited mailing taking place.  Ite > is aL > > > Fortune magazine with an hp wrapper.  There is allot of verbiage but I > willB > > > write in the good stuff.  I am not sure of the distribution.	 > > > suei > > > [snip] > >- > > Sue, > >Q  > > Thanx much for posting this. > >FJ > > I can't respond to it today - I'm in too much of a nasty mood, and I'd: > > end up saying things I'd regret for a long, long time. > > H > > Suffice it to say: they (marketing) haven't heard a word we've said, > > IMO. > K > Sounds like the right things are being said... at least to those who read[
 > Fortune.  4 Really? Where does it say that HP/Q will continue toB develop/produce/support Alpha machines until such time (if any) asF commercially viable, ready-for-prime-time Enterprise-class IPF systems begin shipping in quantity?h  E > On the bright side, better Fortune than Hustler or the Weekly Worlds > News. ;-}v  D You don't think any members of our target market ever spend any timeB with, as they called it in the first "Airplane!" movie,  "Whacking! Material"? ...the scandal sheets?   % Does the competition advertise there?v   -- Q David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systemsc http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:47:57 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper 8 Message-ID: <00A1280C.5AB624D6@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  b In article <ajgsvn$hsp$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:  M >Just letting you know that there is a limited mailing taking place.  It is a@L >Fortune magazine with an hp wrapper.  There is allot of verbiage but I will= >write in the good stuff.  I am not sure of the distribution.k >sue  M Mentioning _VMS_ in a wrapper around _Fortune_ magazine, a magazine that CEOsc read.  Cool!  * Curious about what "a smote evolution" is.  L (Despite JF's unhappiness with the words "commitment" and "roadmap" I think M those are fine here; the CEOs didn't hear that stuff from Compaq, so the wellaO isn't already poisoned for them, and they really do have to hear something that@) says Alpha systems are still being made.)D   Thanks for posting this!   -- Alany     >y > E >Outside Cover is a picture of a pretty woman and underneath it says.o > @ >"The new hp: total committed to hp AlphaServer systems and you. >t >Turn the page4 >blue box that simply has ROI (return on investment)
 >Paragraph
 >ParagraphL >Right now, we're extending business value further with enterprise solutionsM >based on the Compaq AlphaServer systems - now called HP AlphaServer systems. J >The time tested systems - running HP Tru64 UNIX, HP OpenVMS and Linux areF >designed to address your most business-critical requirements, briningI >lasting values to areas such as cost-effective and pervasive management,aM >continuous and secure operation of you IT investments, efficient utilizatione% >of your IT resources and lowest TCO._ >sL >Our roadmaps remain unchanged with a continued commitment to HP AlphaServerL >systems through a smote evolution to the Itanium processor family, enablingM >you to protect your investments and transition when it's right for you.  You J >can rest assured that the solutions we deliver and support will always beI >designed to help you gain a competitive advantage through reduced costs,-C >simplified operation, reduced risk and faster reaction to business  >opportunities.- >- >closing paragraph >A2 >Improving your ROI so you can remain competitive. >  >u >c  O ===============================================================================m0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 04:10:56 GMT71 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>0% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapperl. Message-ID: <kX_69.118127$UU1.21272@sccrnsc03>   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher, SKHPC $ Director at Large, Encompass US Inc.6 Director of Technical Marketing, Science Medicus, Inc. terryshannon@attbi.com www.openvms.org  www.sciencemedicus.com< "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D5C4FFB.F763047B@fsi.net...  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:l > >o@ > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message% > > news:3D5BFE5A.C2649F66@fsi.net...  > > > Sue Skonetski wrote: > > > >oK > > > > Just letting you know that there is a limited mailing taking place.X It > > is aL > > > > Fortune magazine with an hp wrapper.  There is allot of verbiage but I- > > willD > > > > write in the good stuff.  I am not sure of the distribution. > > > > sue@ > > > > [snip] > > >:
 > > > Sue, > > >n" > > > Thanx much for posting this. > > >nL > > > I can't respond to it today - I'm in too much of a nasty mood, and I'd< > > > end up saying things I'd regret for a long, long time. > > >hJ > > > Suffice it to say: they (marketing) haven't heard a word we've said,
 > > > IMO. > > H > > Sounds like the right things are being said... at least to those who read > > Fortune. >a6 > Really? Where does it say that HP/Q will continue toD > develop/produce/support Alpha machines until such time (if any) asH > commercially viable, ready-for-prime-time Enterprise-class IPF systems > begin shipping in quantity?b  C Shucks, that seems to be implicit by now. Haven't heard much to the-F contrary, at least at user group meetings and customer briefings, etc.   >yG > > On the bright side, better Fortune than Hustler or the Weekly World1
 > > News. ;-}. >nF > You don't think any members of our target market ever spend any timeD > with, as they called it in the first "Airplane!" movie,  "Whacking# > Material"? ...the scandal sheets?E >r' > Does the competition advertise there?p  J I will not admit to possessing one or more copies of the Weekly World NewsK (although I'd love to bag this HP nonsense and start writing wild-ass talesnI for the folks in Lantana, FL) but If I have such copies, I will check. AstH for Hustler, the only ad I ever remember from that scumbag Flynt was the( scratch-n-sniff thingie back in the 70s.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:38:43 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>0% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrappers, Message-ID: <3D5C8FD2.1BC525E4@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:p8 > > Really? Where does it say that HP/Q will continue toF > > develop/produce/support Alpha machines until such time (if any) asJ > > commercially viable, ready-for-prime-time Enterprise-class IPF systems > > begin shipping in quantity?  > E > Shucks, that seems to be implicit by now. Haven't heard much to thetH > contrary, at least at user group meetings and customer briefings, etc.   It should read:\  , "Shucks, that seems to be implicit FOR now."  K Development of Alpha well past EV8 was also implicit prior to June 25 2001,e' with work begun for projects up to EV8.a  L As long as HP is on publicly announced financial targets, the level of worryG is lower. But if HP starts to lag behind predictions and Carly is underwD pressure to further do stuff Wall Street likes to hear (consolidate,M eliminate, downsize, rightsize, cut costs, streamline etc), then all bets ares2 off since Alpha is not a strategic product for HP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:28:36 -0400y1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>i' Subject: Re: FTP> get *.* does not workr2 Message-ID: <3D5C0EF4.69532359@clarityconnect.com>  > Have you tried using mget with the appropriate prompt setting?   Didier Morandi wrote:, >  > does not work because: >  > $DECK  > On TCPWare the HELP states:t >  > GET  > 
 >   /MULTIPLE- > H >     Transfers multiple files.   Use  after  source  only  and  includeH >     wildcards  in  source.  Necessary because some remote hosts do notH >     recognize the OpenVMS "*" and "%" characters  as  wildcards.   The= >     remote host's server must support the FTP NLST command.  > , >     MGET is the synonym for GET /MULTIPLE. > $EOD > M > and the Macintosh MS Personal Web server FTP feature does not support NLST.e >  > (courtesy Peter Weaver :-) >  > D. > 9 > PS: works perfectly well on another Alpha, fortunately.b >  > Didier Morandi wrote:a > >h! > > I run VMS 7.3 TCP/IP V5.1-15. 1 > > I wish to copy files from my Mac to my Alpha.eL > > I started MPWS on the Mac and did connect to via FTP, providing my Mac's > > username and password. > >h= > > I can do a SET DEF and a DIR and a GET one_file_only.COM. L > > But if I do a FTP> get *.* or mget *.*or *.COM of whatever, I get this: > ../..a > > FTP> get *.com) > > 550 *.com: No such file or directory.W/ > > %TCPIP-E-FTP_NOSUCHFILE, no such file *.coms > > FTP> > >  > > Why?   -- nC Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY?0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan+ 	- Mark.Jilson@hp.com				- since 1975 or so  	- http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:18:47 -0400o1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>r! Subject: Re: Going 7.2-1 -> 7.3-1e2 Message-ID: <3D5C0CA7.324B88B0@clarityconnect.com>  E No reinstalling the RENAME kit will not fix this.  I do not know of arE new RENAME kit either.  Please log this to your local CSC.  I suspect.: the workaround will be to edit VMS$REMEDIAL_OLD_FILES.TXT.   John Santos wrote: > C > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= wrote:A >  > > Hi.s= > > I have a system (AS 1200, 512 Mb, 1 CPU) now running with(; > > VMS 7.2-1. I'm thinking of putting 7.3-1 on it, much to' > > get the "new" XFC. > >uA > > Anyone seeing any special problem with the step from 7.2-1 toy > > 7.3-1 ?a > >HC > > The system is mainly running DCL routines in batch with smallerID > > parts in perl, OSU web server(s), a number of different freewareC > > (DELIVER, MPACK/MUNPACK, ZIP/UNZIP, NBL). No interactive users,e > > apart from me (the sysmgr)., > >t@ > > Should I expect to having to rebuild any/some/all freeware ? > >n > > Regardsr > > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  > A > I didn't have any particular problems with any layered productsS; > going from V7.2-1 to V7.3, but I don't have V7.3-1 yet...e > ; > There is a potential system problem, though.  Some of theiL > ECO's mangled a file called SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]VMS$REMEDIAL_OLD_FILES.TXT,? > which I think PCSI uses to keep track of files that have beenp? > modified by ECO's so it can uninstall them.  It also uses thee? > info to clean up files left by earlier ECO's when upgraded tos > a new version, apparently. > B > There was an ECO to repair the damage (VMS721_RENAME_OLD-V0100),> > but I recalled hearing that some more recent ECO's again did! > the same things, so I looked...c > ? > SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]VMS$REMEDIAL_OLD_FILES.TXT looked fine forn> > a long stretch, until it hit the ECO VMS721_LAT-V0100, where@ > it stopped having line breaks.  The rest of the file seemed toA > be one enourmous single line.  I ran it through TECO (to a tempr@ > file), and inserted a line break at all the appropriate places > (<FS00[$00 > [$>$$ in TECO...)f > and looked at the output.e > : > The resulting file still has 3 lines with file names not: > including the "_OLD", which was one of the problems that8 > the rename_old ECO fixed.  I think the result would be< > that these files would get deleted if I upgraded to V7.3-18 > (or even to V7.3 or V7.2-2, at this point.)  The three > lines are: > B > [SYSEXE]APB.EXE                                 VMS721_SYS-V1200B > [SYSEXE]DEBUG_APB.EXE                           VMS721_SYS-V1200E > [SYSLIB]STARLET.MLB                             VMS721_AMACRO-V01003 > ? > Without APB, the Alpha won't boot.  (Well, maybe it will boota9 > with XDELTA, but I think that requires DEBUG_APB... :-)a > ; > I don't know if re-installing the RENAME_OLD ECO will fix < > this, or if we need to wait for a VMS721_RENAME_OLD-V0200. >  > Urp? > : > P.S.  The original problem was mentioned in the VMS V7.3: > cover letter.  Haven't seen the V7.3-1 cover letter yet. >  > --
 > John SantosF > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539   -- tC Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY 0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan+ 	- Mark.Jilson@hp.com				- since 1975 or sog 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:05:10 -0700n( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>< Subject: Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines.- Message-ID: <3D5BED56.776E4BF1@NelsonUSA.com>N   Atlant Schmidt wrote:P >  > Eric Smith wrote:o > > > > Is the VS11 somehow related to the VS60/VT48?  The VT48 is< > > also a "much-more capable and upwards compatible" vector< > > graphic controller, and the VS60 is the system that uses, > > the VT48 controller with a VR48 monitor. > - > Yes. I think VS60 was the name for a systeml. > that included a VS11, much as "GT40" was the2 > name for one of the systems that included a VT11 > (and a VR14 vector display). > 0 > I don't remember exactly how the VT48 fit into0 > the picture and I no longer have any access to1 > the Dick Best List, err, "Options/Modules List"r2 > or whatever it's called nowadays. Perhaps Google > knows?  5 Since I have one of these at home, perhaps I can sheds some light on this.p  7 Here is the breakdown of what each part number includest$ in a GT62/VS60/VT48 Graphics System:  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------/ GT62  Complete system in a rack, consisting of:C       PDP-11/34a CPU  6     VS60 (a.k.a. VS-60) Display System, consisting of:           BA11-K Unibus box with:r  >             VT48 (a.k.a. VT-48) backplane, P/N 70-11429, with:  4                 M7051 Register and Multiplexer Board.                 M7052 Dual 12 by 12 Multiplier4                 M7053 Scissoring and Tangent Control,                 M7054 Stack and Silo Control-                 M7055 Read Status Multiplexer '                 M7056 Stack/Silo Memoryn.                 M7057 Display Status Registers1                 M7058 Display Instruction Control *                 M7059 Unibus Control Logic)                 A321  Character generators&                 A322  Vector Generator           H7070 Power Supply  $         70-11746-xx Interscope cable  <         VR48 (a.k.a. VR-48) Table and Display Scope Assembly?         (This includes a 36" x 60" table on wheels, the displayb7         drive electronics, a 21" CRT, and a light pen.)3  & Common options (which I have) include:        LK40-B Alphanumeric keyboard  5     LK11/LK04 Programmers keypad (16 lighted buttons)R  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  ? I would be interested in purchasing any spares listed above, asaB well as any software or documentation that relates to this system.  * Were any of these ever connected to a VAX?  , -- Alan Frisbie          Abuse@NelsonUSA.com   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 12:18:15 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>i< Subject: Re: Graphics adaptor (VCB02) for MicroVAX machines.0 Message-ID: <qhbs847wy0.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>   I wrote:< > Is the VS11 somehow related to the VS60/VT48?  The VT48 is: > also a "much-more capable and upwards compatible" vector: > graphic controller, and the VS60 is the system that uses* > the VT48 controller with a VR48 monitor.   Atlant Schmidt wrote: - > Yes. I think VS60 was the name for a systemr. > that included a VS11, much as "GT40" was the2 > name for one of the systems that included a VT11 > (and a VR14 vector display).  * Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> writes:7 > Since I have one of these at home, perhaps I can shedo > some light on this.a > 9 > Here is the breakdown of what each part number includes5& > in a GT62/VS60/VT48 Graphics System:" [followed by detailed description]  2 Ah, but that still doesn't tell me what a VS11 is.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 13:10:48 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)n- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replacet3 Message-ID: <UuTDgKgK+1s$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <UamQE3gCiiEK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:m   >  > H > 	I can't come up with string replacement examples where TPU is a good G > 	fit ( or more accurately, taking the time to write TPU procedures )  H > 	short of when doing interactive editing sessions via EVE (of course). >   C 	I take that back.  There are some replacement strings where TPU isuE 	a good fit and the procedures to exist.  TPU is however more limiteds) 	in its functionality (pattern matching).    					Rob   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 12:13:31 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)o- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replacer3 Message-ID: <UamQE3gCiiEK@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  [ In article <3D5BD4E8.597616EC@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Rob Young wrote: >> rq >> In article <343f30ae.0208150508.653fdaa2@posting.google.com>, SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) writes:  >> P >> >I >> > I don't see even the slightest advantage to having GLOBAL REPLACE be D >> > consistent with REPLACE. There often comes a time when I, and IK >> > presume most users, want to change all occurrences of A to B. The best G >> > way to write a command to do that is to write one that simply just<K >> > does that (what a concept!) and not mess around will silly shenanigans>> >> > about being consistent with something else that itself is >> > questionable. >> > >> rL >>         Well.... since you brought up "best way" , I would argue the bestQ >>         way isn't to write a command procedure for string replacements, but to_ >>         use SED._ >> n/ >>         Woodworkers have more than one tool.  > J > ...and religiously use the right tool for the job. Each "different" tool > is different for a reason. >     @ 	Yeah but... if replacing strings I suppose you could wander off? 	and write a procedure.  Me?  I'll just run a program built foreG 	the occasion that uses regular expressions.  Now I suppose it wouldn'tmA 	be too hard to create a regular expression that would give a TPUeE 	programmer coughs and sputters, right?  Then the counter-point mighth@ 	be that such "convuluted" strings don't exist in the real world@ 	but that would be kind of a weak position.  By example, here isE 	a real world example that would give SED fits (or are impossible forfG 	SED to "get right"), point is there are examples less convuluted that s 	make SED a very good fit.    P [12][90][0-9][0-9][,][ ]*[A-Z][ A-Za-z,\.;0-9-]{2,40}[<>\\\012]+                	         { :                                 strcpy(saveyytext,yytext);*                                 if (didby))                                         {uD                                         if (yytext[yyleng-1] == '>')G                                                 yytext[yyleng-1] = ' ';dC                                         fprintf(yyout,"%s",yytext);o)                                         }y$                                 else)                                         {o,                                         i=1;K                                         while (yytext[yyleng-i]== '\012' ||iN yytext[yyleng-i]== '>'  || yytext[yyleng-i]== '\\' || yytext[yyleng-i]== '<' )1                                                 {cC                                                 yytext[yyleng-i]=0;v4                                                 i++;1                                                 } '                                        U4 				fprintf(yyout,"@BY#%s@TX#%s",yytext,saveyytext);0                                         didby=1;)                                         } !                                 }=    F 	I can't come up with string replacement examples where TPU is a good E 	fit ( or more accurately, taking the time to write TPU procedures ) CF 	short of when doing interactive editing sessions via EVE (of course).  
 			   	Rob   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 11:43:00 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replacen= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0208151043.7b6af8bf@posting.google.com>r  k "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote in message news:<ajgepi$1b7gti$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>...B= > "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message 9 > news:b096a4ee.0208141734.47012791@posting.google.com...s > >...I > > GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL, we're talking about global replaces here. Okay?l+ > > Did you skip that part of my last post?n > N > Actually, I saw your last post after I posted the reply you are replying to,J > so yes, I did not address that. All I can say at this point is; I didn'tM > write or design EVE. We both seem to agree that whoever did write it made auM > mistake (either in naming the command or in the design) but that is the wayo > it is. > M > I was not trying to defend the way EVE is written, only explain why you sawoH > the results you saw in your original post (I am not trying to fight or! > argue, only explain OK :):):) )      OK.      > >...I > > > > 1.) TPU is *not* orders of magnitude faster than EDT. An order of L > > > > magnitued is a factor of 10. Orders of magnitude are then at least aJ > > > > factor of 100, minimum. I really doubt we'll get 100X out of this. > > >, > > > You did not show this. >  ...7 > > > I am not trying to prove nor disprove that one ishL > > > faster than the other. If you want speed then use Fortran, C, COBOL... >  YouJ > > > did show that EVE is not orders of magnitude faster than EDT in thisM > > > example. If you want to see if EDT is faster than TPU then take the TPU'I > > > example that David Gray included in his original post and work frome >  that. > >t > >rB > > You're not reading my posts carefully. I only said that in oneG > > particular example it took longer for EVE/TPU and said that in manyo > M > OK, I was going to ignore this, but I guess I do have to argue here becausesJ > I did read your post carefully. Actually what you said was "TPU is *not*L > orders of magnitude faster than EDT." I said "You did not show this." WhatL > you showed was that EVE is not orders of magnitude faster than EDT. SayingN > that TPU is not faster when you used EVE for your example is like racing twoN > cars, but before the race you attach a trailer full of bricks to the back ofN > one car. If you want to say that "TPU is *not* orders of magnitude faster thL > an EDT" then write a TPU (not EVE) procedure and compare them. If you wantH > to share your results then go ahead, but don't do it for my benefit; I% > really do not care which is faster.i    0 OK. But I still doubt we'll get a factor of 100.      > >...J > > > makes sense). What David Gray was doing makes more sense in TPU than	 >  EDT, I I > > > wouldn't do it in EDT because he was working with <ESC> characters.u    C I'm not really sure what he was doing. If he simply wanted to avoidt, non-printable characters, he could have used   $ ESC:= 
 $ ESC[0,8]=27c@ $ SEARCH file.orig /OUT=file.cleaned-up 'ESC' /FORMAT=TEXT ! (or DUMP?)  6 which would replace all escape characters with <ESC>.   C If, OTOH, he wanted to actually remove the escape characters or the C escape sequences, which I suspect is the case, some editor's globalu& replace function would be appropriate.   [...]    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmant- afeldmanNonospam gfigroupNonospam comNonospama   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:10:02 -0700c> From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My-Full-Name@intel-com.spam-ban>- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replacea2 Message-ID: <3D5BFC8A.C7C73242@intel-com.spam-ban>   Rob Young wrote:  c > In article <UamQE3gCiiEK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  >  > >M > >LN > >       I can't come up with string replacement examples where TPU is a goodM > >       fit ( or more accurately, taking the time to write TPU procedures ) O > >       short of when doing interactive editing sessions via EVE (of course).e > >' >eL >         I take that back.  There are some replacement strings where TPU isN >         a good fit and the procedures to exist.  TPU is however more limited2 >         in its functionality (pattern matching).  I     I don't pretend to be an expert on regular expressions or SED or TecoyJ or edlin or you-name-it.  And I will be the first to admit, up front, thatF using patterns in TPU can take time to understand and use effectively.L Further, writing a procedure in TPU that uses such patterns in not a "terse"F one- or few-liner (at least for anything complicated enough to require writing such a procedure).  G     The nice thing about something like SED (I take it) is that all thegL machinery for handling regular expressions has already been built and linkedE into the image.  With TPU, you may have to construct the pattern thatkE matches those expressions yourself (a start at it was done with EVE'si( Wildcard Find (see also SHOW WILDCARD)).  I     All that said, would you give an example where TPU (not EVE) is "more-1 limited in its functionality (pattern matching)"?1         Thanks, Ken  --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield-! D1C Automation VMS System Supportc kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.coma   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:46:00 GMTk1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>u- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replaceD' Message-ID: <3D5BFBDE.489F1CE9@fsi.net>    "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > m > "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote in message news:<ajgepi$1b7gti$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>...g? > > "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in messaget; > > news:b096a4ee.0208141734.47012791@posting.google.com...a > > >...K > > > GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL, we're talking about global replaces here. Okay?n- > > > Did you skip that part of my last post?a > >nP > > Actually, I saw your last post after I posted the reply you are replying to,L > > so yes, I did not address that. All I can say at this point is; I didn'tO > > write or design EVE. We both seem to agree that whoever did write it made a O > > mistake (either in naming the command or in the design) but that is the way 
 > > it is. > >pO > > I was not trying to defend the way EVE is written, only explain why you sawrJ > > the results you saw in your original post (I am not trying to fight or# > > argue, only explain OK :):):) )D >  > OK.E >  > > >...K > > > > > 1.) TPU is *not* orders of magnitude faster than EDT. An order of'N > > > > > magnitued is a factor of 10. Orders of magnitude are then at least aL > > > > > factor of 100, minimum. I really doubt we'll get 100X out of this. > > > >t > > > > You did not show this. > >  ...9 > > > > I am not trying to prove nor disprove that one isaN > > > > faster than the other. If you want speed then use Fortran, C, COBOL... > >  YouL > > > > did show that EVE is not orders of magnitude faster than EDT in thisO > > > > example. If you want to see if EDT is faster than TPU then take the TPUeK > > > > example that David Gray included in his original post and work fromi
 > >  that. > > >k > > > D > > > You're not reading my posts carefully. I only said that in oneI > > > particular example it took longer for EVE/TPU and said that in manym > >tO > > OK, I was going to ignore this, but I guess I do have to argue here becauseOL > > I did read your post carefully. Actually what you said was "TPU is *not*N > > orders of magnitude faster than EDT." I said "You did not show this." WhatN > > you showed was that EVE is not orders of magnitude faster than EDT. SayingP > > that TPU is not faster when you used EVE for your example is like racing twoP > > cars, but before the race you attach a trailer full of bricks to the back ofP > > one car. If you want to say that "TPU is *not* orders of magnitude faster thN > > an EDT" then write a TPU (not EVE) procedure and compare them. If you wantJ > > to share your results then go ahead, but don't do it for my benefit; I' > > really do not care which is faster.o > 2 > OK. But I still doubt we'll get a factor of 100. >  >  > > >...L > > > > makes sense). What David Gray was doing makes more sense in TPU than > >  EDT, I6K > > > > wouldn't do it in EDT because he was working with <ESC> characters.a > E > I'm not really sure what he was doing. If he simply wanted to avoidn. > non-printable characters, he could have used > 	 > $ ESC:=  > $ ESC[0,8]=27-B > $ SEARCH file.orig /OUT=file.cleaned-up 'ESC' /FORMAT=TEXT ! (or > DUMP?) > 7 > which would replace all escape characters with <ESC>.   H I e-mailed him privately (or did he write me first? I forget...) and the solution I suggested was:c  . $ SEARCH filespec ""/OUT=filespec1/FORMAT=DUMP  E > If, OTOH, he wanted to actually remove the escape characters or thedE > escape sequences, which I suspect is the case, some editor's globalm( > replace function would be appropriate.  F I suggested EDT, but SEARCH seems faster and less muss-and-fuss to me.   -- e David J. DachteraG dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 14:38:14 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)n- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replacea3 Message-ID: <p6kMTlN7qJfU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <3D5BFC8A.C7C73242@intel-com.spam-ban>, "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My-Full-Name@intel-com.spam-ban> writes:n > Rob Young wrote: > d >> In article <UamQE3gCiiEK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: >> >> > >> >O >> >       I can't come up with string replacement examples where TPU is a good N >> >       fit ( or more accurately, taking the time to write TPU procedures )P >> >       short of when doing interactive editing sessions via EVE (of course). >> > >>M >>         I take that back.  There are some replacement strings where TPU isiO >>         a good fit and the procedures to exist.  TPU is however more limited 3 >>         in its functionality (pattern matching).7 >    > K >     All that said, would you give an example where TPU (not EVE) is "more 3 > limited in its functionality (pattern matching)"?7 >   @ 	Having not taken time to study the code, I'm assuming wild find> 	is taking advantage of limited regular expressions built-ins.  6 	From the wild find example, get to Command: wild find 	. 	Wildcard Find:  b\[aeiou]t    	and you can match these:    bets bat" but" bite   	It won't catch these:   beet beat   	And this doesn't work:    	Wildcard Find: b\[aeiou]+ts   	The answer is:l  ! 	Wildcard Find: b\[aeiou][aeiou]ta  G 	to catch those... but then you miss the former.  Now maybe I'm missing-D 	something but I have to run!  But with true regular expressions andB 	operators that go with them ( especially * , + ) it wouldn't takeD 	much to create a pattern that sed matches that would require a good 	deal of TPU hackery.t   				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 15:24:37 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) - Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replacec3 Message-ID: <WngIBLTsdu55@eisner.encompasserve.org>V  a In article <p6kMTlN7qJfU@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:au > In article <3D5BFC8A.C7C73242@intel-com.spam-ban>, "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My-Full-Name@intel-com.spam-ban> writes:n     > 8 > 	From the wild find example, get to Command: wild find > 	o > 	Wildcard Find:  b\[aeiou]t  >  > 	and you can match these:e >  > bete > bath > butu > bitS >  > 	It won't catch these: >  > beet > beat >  > 	And this doesn't work:  >  > 	Wildcard Find: b\[aeiou]+tn >  > 	The answer is:S > # > 	Wildcard Find: b\[aeiou][aeiou]ts   	Make that:a  #  	Wildcard Find: b\[aeiou]\[aeiou]t     ? 	That's what you get for not testing everything you type.  Thisa' 	sort of stuff is error prone as it is.e   				Robe   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:52:30 -0700-> From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My-Full-Name@intel-com.spam-ban>- Subject: Re: Help - TPU Global_search_replaceu2 Message-ID: <3D5C148E.3848F189@intel-com.spam-ban>   Rob Young wrote:  u > In article <3D5BFC8A.C7C73242@intel-com.spam-ban>, "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My-Full-Name@intel-com.spam-ban> writes:r > > Rob Young wrote: > >tf > >> In article <UamQE3gCiiEK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: > >> > >> > > >> >Q > >> >       I can't come up with string replacement examples where TPU is a good.P > >> >       fit ( or more accurately, taking the time to write TPU procedures )R > >> >       short of when doing interactive editing sessions via EVE (of course). > >> > > >>O > >>         I take that back.  There are some replacement strings where TPU is2Q > >>         a good fit and the procedures to exist.  TPU is however more limited 5 > >>         in its functionality (pattern matching).r > >m >s > >oM > >     All that said, would you give an example where TPU (not EVE) is "morep5 > > limited in its functionality (pattern matching)"?r > >  >3I >         Having not taken time to study the code, I'm assuming wild find G >         is taking advantage of limited regular expressions built-ins.a >g? >         From the wild find example, get to Command: wild findr >f$ >         Wildcard Find:  b\[aeiou]t >u" >         and you can match these: >r > betf > bat. > buts > bit> >y >         It won't catch these:  >w > beet > beat >y  >         And this doesn't work: >t$ >         Wildcard Find: b\[aeiou]+t >g >         The answer is: >t* >         Wildcard Find: b\[aeiou][aeiou]t >eP >         to catch those... but then you miss the former.  Now maybe I'm missingM >         something but I have to run!  But with true regular expressions andgK >         operators that go with them ( especially * , + ) it wouldn't takevM >         much to create a pattern that sed matches that would require a good. >         deal of TPU hackery.  %     Ah, yea of little faith!  :-) :-).  B [Aside:  Having already written what follows without doing certainB          "basic research", I found that the particular example youC          give is _already_ available if you just do SET WILD ULTRIXtA          before the WILD FIND.  The SHOW WILD after doing so alsooF          explained to me what the "+" does, so the first pattern given'          below, is the required one...]e  D     As I said, EVE is pretty limited, and that limitation comes fromF parsing a command string and creating from it the appropriate pattern.  A     If you're working in TPU, the required pattern is trivial (or C almost trivial...see below), if more verbose.  With the caveat that]G in your example, I don't know whether the "+" means, "optionally repeat E this pattern once more," or whether it means, "repeat this pattern as E long as there is a match", e.g., does b\[aeiou]+t match "boiet", here & is(are) the equivalent TPU pattern(s).  G     For the latter case (any number of vowels between the "b" and "t"),e the pattern is:'  ,     vowel_patt := "b" + Span("aeiou") + "t";  F For the case where you want either 1 or 2 vowels, you need to do this:  C     vowel_1or2_patt := "b" + (Any("aeiou") | Any("aeiou",2)) + "t";   A Admittedly, this would get tedious for more than a few "+"s...but # programatcally, there's no problem.y  C     I do believe that EVE's WILD FIND could be enhanced to properly'E translate the "+" as above.  There are a number of other things I was E looking at doing with it a number of years ago (but couldn't find the-D time even though I'd made a start), perhaps most importantly, addingD what amounts to a logical "OR" in the search string (the "|" above).E Additionally, WILD FIND should (directly) accept a "real" TPU pattern D without translation (of course, you don't really need that if you'reA happy to assign directly to eve$x_find_target and use FIND NEXT).n       -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldl! D1C Automation VMS System Supportc kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.comg   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:07:12 GMT-1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>:, Subject: Re: how to burn VMS bootable CDs ??' Message-ID: <3D5BF2C6.2C2A7610@fsi.net>l   Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote: > = > In article <3D5BD637.EB5DFE76@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"e! > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:a >  > [snip] >  > |>L > |>Suggestion to HP and OVMS-Engr.: Fly Eberhard in and consult with him onL > |>CD/DVD write functionality for the next release(s). He seems to know his
 > |>stuff. > |> > |>-- > |>David J. Dachterab > |>dba DJE Systemse > |>http://www.djesys.com/ > |>, > |>Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:# > |>http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l > |> >  > David, > E > I'm not against it, but I guess the VMS people have to sponsor thisn
 > journey.   That was the general idea, yes.e  ; I'm also thinking a generous stipend/fee would be in order.   ) Too bad it's not my decision to make, eh?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:10:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?, Message-ID: <3D5BEEAA.63E36CA3@videotron.ca>   > Didier Morandi wrote:  > > N > > I was not clear. I have 700 files. How would I pipe machin truc 700 files?  H Have you considered going about it the opposite direction and instead ofK finding away to convert the HTML back to a usable format, find the originalaM source of the information which is probably developped on a work processor ore text layout software ?  L Do you need to create ASCII without any graphics, or do you wish to preserveJ the contents ? In the later case, you may wish to look at some of the wordM processors or desktop publishing which do have some html import capabilities.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:51:01 +0200n- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> ( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?' Message-ID: <3D5BF814.321BB2F9@Free.fr>w  Q Let's not talk "langue de bois" ("wooden tongue". is this an English expression?)i  ; The doc is http://www.compaq.com/fortran/docs/lrm/dflrm.htm   J The question is: I wish to print it to have it under my elbow during a F77M course I will teach in a few days. According to the best Fortran source ever,aN apart the html version, there is only a .PS file available and I do not have aL PS printer and my MacGSview will *not* process a 1440 postscript pages file, will it?  
 Solutions?  R (I already tried to print one html page after the other, but I stopped after 200).   D.   JF Mezei wrote:w >  > > Didier Morandi wrote:  > > >oP > > > I was not clear. I have 700 files. How would I pipe machin truc 700 files? > J > Have you considered going about it the opposite direction and instead ofM > finding away to convert the HTML back to a usable format, find the original O > source of the information which is probably developped on a work processor or  > text layout software ? > N > Do you need to create ASCII without any graphics, or do you wish to preserveL > the contents ? In the later case, you may wish to look at some of the wordO > processors or desktop publishing which do have some html import capabilities.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:51:52 +0200.- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>t( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?' Message-ID: <3D5BF847.CBD87DAD@Free.fr>   M No other source available. Its a COMPAQ/INTEL document. See my previous post.a   D.   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > Y > In article <3D5A4772.CDA6E86D@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes:oQ > > How would you transform a 1500 pages HTML document made of more than 700 htmloI > > files to plain text (Word or whatever) or PDF? Can Acrobat read HTML?u > C > I would go back to the source .SDML I used to create the HTML :-)r > E > Seriously, HTML is a presentation format which gives great freedomsr? > to the display engine.  PDF is a presentation format that theeB > display engine must follow precisely with regard to presentationC > of elements.  The data you have at the HTML level is "sloppy" andt' > better precision is expected for PDF.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:54:10 +0200p- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>e( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?' Message-ID: <3D5BF8D2.BBDD6F7B@Free.fr>r   Hi Charlie, long time no read.  M I just ordered ACROBAT and I will convert the .PS to PDF or better to WORD ifeT possible. I noticed that my iMac does not like very much printing too big PDF files.  3 (device full, insufficient space for allocation :-)g   D.   Charlie Hammond wrote: > 5 > In article <uD20FlYYgAk4@eisner.encompasserve.org>,e1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:i > D > >I would go back to the source .SDML I used to create the HTML :-) > F > Didier, perhaps if you ask very nicely Larry will write you a littleD > TECO program to convert your HTML to SDML.  <grin>  Then you couldE > use the utility formerly known as "VAXdocument" (is it still called C > "DECdocument"?) to create TEXT or POSTSCRIPT output.  ACROBAT canl! > convert the POSTSCRIPT to PDF.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:59:26 GMTa1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?' Message-ID: <3D5BFF03.47F4C707@fsi.net>:   Didier Morandi wrote:a > S > Let's not talk "langue de bois" ("wooden tongue". is this an English expression?)  > = > The doc is http://www.compaq.com/fortran/docs/lrm/dflrm.htmp > L > The question is: I wish to print it to have it under my elbow during a F77O > course I will teach in a few days. According to the best Fortran source ever,mP > apart the html version, there is only a .PS file available and I do not have aN > PS printer and my MacGSview will *not* process a 1440 postscript pages file,
 > will it?  E I think my Acrobat distller still works. Tell me where to get the .PS  and I'll make a .PDF for you.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsg http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:43:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>x( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?, Message-ID: <3D5C0450.3980D35C@videotron.ca>   Didier Morandi wrote:x > O > No other source available. Its a COMPAQ/INTEL document. See my previous post.g  I I would hope that someone at Compaq/Intel/whatever would have some sourceOE document and didn't code it all in html. Have you investigated askingm= HP/Compaq/intel/Whatever for a source or even a PDF version ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:20:29 +0200r- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>.( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?' Message-ID: <3D5C0D0D.A0A2E5F5@Free.fr>V  E Yes I did. There is today only the html file*S* and a postscript one. C But someone will try to unpostscript it for me in a few hours time.    Thanks to all.  
 Issue closed.  Merci Jean-Franois.   D.   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Didier Morandi wrote:t > >iQ > > No other source available. Its a COMPAQ/INTEL document. See my previous post.n > K > I would hope that someone at Compaq/Intel/whatever would have some source G > document and didn't code it all in html. Have you investigated askingr? > HP/Compaq/intel/Whatever for a source or even a PDF version ?a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:05:10 GMTh From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..comf( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?8 Message-ID: <lb5olucasp8n325pmh9srqu61krb4vje39@4ax.com>  2 On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:51:01 +0200, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:t  R >Let's not talk "langue de bois" ("wooden tongue". is this an English expression?) >...< >The doc is http://www.compaq.com/fortran/docs/lrm/dflrm.htm >eK >The question is: I wish to print it to have it under my elbow during a F77mN >course I will teach in a few days. According to the best Fortran source ever,O >apart the html version, there is only a .PS file available and I do not have adM >PS printer and my MacGSview will *not* process a 1440 postscript pages file, 	 >will it?e  A another possibility is WGET,  to fetch the files, and rewrite ther# hyper-links as refs to local files.t  @ and then,  LYNX  -traversal , piped/redirected to one long file?     $ mcr t_exe:wget --help 5 GNU Wget 1.5.3g, a non-interactive network retriever.E& Usage: wget.exe;1 [OPTION]... [URL]...  C Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short optionsr too.   Startup:@   -V,  --version           display the version of Wget and exit.+   -h,  --help              print this help.f:   -b,  --background        go to background after startup.7   -e,  --execute=COMMAND   execute a `.wgetrc' command.s   Logging and input file:l3   -o,  --output-file=FILE     log messages to FILE.,6   -a,  --append-output=FILE   append messages to FILE.1   -d,  --debug                print debug output./0   -q,  --quiet                quiet (no output).?   -v,  --verbose              be verbose (this is the default).-A   -nv, --non-verbose          turn off verboseness, without beingo quiet.3   -i,  --input-file=FILE      read URL-s from file.a7   -F,  --force-html           treat input file as HTML.r  	 Download:nB   -t,  --tries=NUMBER           set number of retries to NUMBER (0
 unlimits).8   -O   --output-document=FILE   write documents to FILE.=   -nc, --no-clobber             don't clobber existing files.rA   -c,  --continue               restart getting an existing file.I<        --dot-style=STYLE        set retrieval display style.B   -N,  --timestamping           don't retrieve files if older than local.6   -S,  --server-response        print server response.8        --spider                 don't download anything.@   -T,  --timeout=SECONDS        set the read timeout to SECONDS.@   -w,  --wait=SECONDS           wait SECONDS between retrievals.5   -Y,  --proxy=on/off           turn proxy on or off.t>   -Q,  --quota=NUMBER           set retrieval quota to NUMBER.   Directories:<   -nd  --no-directories            don't create directories.A   -x,  --force-directories         force creation of directories.'A   -nH, --no-host-directories       don't create host directories.s;   -P,  --directory-prefix=PREFIX   save files to PREFIX/...nA        --cut-dirs=NUMBER           ignore NUMBER remote directoryh components.e  
 HTTP options:i3        --http-user=USER      set http user to USER.i7        --http-passwd=PASS    set http password to PASS.aD   -C,  --cache=on/off        (dis)allow server-cached data (normally	 allowed).oB        --ignore-length       ignore `Content-Length' header field.=        --header=STRING       insert STRING among the headers.o8        --proxy-user=USER     set USER as proxy username.8        --proxy-passwd=PASS   set PASS as proxy password.;   -s,  --save-headers        save the HTTP headers to file.-9   -U,  --user-agent=AGENT    identify as AGENT instead of_
 Wget/VERSION..   FTP options:5        --retr-symlinks   retrieve FTP symbolic links.g;   -g,  --glob=on/off     turn file name globbing on or off.<9        --passive-ftp     use the "passive" transfer mode.v   Recursive retrieval:D   -r,  --recursive             recursive web-suck -- use with care!.F   -l,  --level=NUMBER          maximum recursion depth (0 to unlimit).7        --delete-after          delete downloaded files.WF   -k,  --convert-links         convert non-relative links to relative.F   -m,  --mirror                turn on options suitable for mirroring.=   -nr, --dont-remove-listing   don't remove `.listing' files.i   Recursive accept/reject:@   -A,  --accept=LIST                list of accepted extensions.@   -R,  --reject=LIST                list of rejected extensions.=   -D,  --domains=LIST               list of accepted domains. D        --exclude-domains=LIST       comma-separated list of rejected domains.?   -L,  --relative                   follow relative links only.a>        --follow-ftp                 follow FTP links from HTML
 documents.<   -H,  --span-hosts                 go to foreign hosts when
 recursive.@   -I,  --include-directories=LIST   list of allowed directories.A   -X,  --exclude-directories=LIST   list of excluded directories.t;   -nh, --no-host-lookup             don't DNS-lookup hosts.o>   -np, --no-parent                  don't ascend to the parent
 directory.  7 Mail bug reports and suggestions to <bug-wget@gnu.org>.     	 $ lynx -?g0 xx$vda20:[tools.exe]lynx.exe: Invalid Option: -?4 USAGE: ef$vda20:[tools.exe]lynx.exe [options] [file] Options are:>     -                receive the arguments from stdin (enclose3                      in double-quotes ("-") on VMS)p     -accept_all_cookies (                      accepts all cookies:     -anonymous       used to specify the anonymous account     -assume_charset=MIMEname@                      charset for documents that don't specify it"     -assume_local_charset=MIMEname4                      charset assumed for local files"     -assume_unrec_charset=MIMEname>                      use this instead of unrecognized charsets=     -auth=id:pw      authentication information for protectedi	 documents B     -base            prepend a request URL comment and BASE tag to	 text/htmli.                      outputs for -source dumps;     -book            use the bookmark page as the startfile A     -buried_news     toggles scanning of news articles for buried 
 references9     -cache=NUMBER    NUMBER of documents cached in memory 9     -case            enable case sensitive user searchingaE     -cfg=FILENAME    specifies a lynx.cfg file other than the defaultNF     -child           exit on left-arrow in startfile, and disable save to diska;     -cookies         toggles handling of Set-Cookie headerss@     -crawl           with -traversal, output each page to a fileF                      with -dump, format output as with -traversal, but	 to stdout D     -display=DISPLAY set the display variable for X exec'ed programs;     -dump            dump the first file to stdout and exitr;     -editor=EDITOR   enable edit mode with specified editors3     -emacskeys       enable emacs-like key movement      -enable_scrollback F>                      toggles compatibility with comm programs'
 scrollback?                      keys (may be incompatible with some cursesi	 packages)e4     -error_file=FILE write the HTTP status code here?     -fileversions    include all versions of files in local VMS 	 directoryi                      listingsoC     -force_html      forces the first document to be interpreted ass HTML?     -force_secure    toggles forcing of the secure flag for SSLd cookies 9     -from            toggle transmissions of From headerscB     -forms_options   toggles forms-based vs old-style options menu'     -ftp             disable ftp accessc>     -get_data        user data for get forms, read from stdin,2                      terminated by '---' on a line(     -head            send a HEAD request-     -help            print this usage message      -hiddenlinks=[option]hB                      hidden links: options are merge, listonly, or ignoreD     -historical      toggles use of '>' or '-->' as a terminator for comments:     -homepage=URL    set homepage separate from start page>     -image_links     toggles inclusion of links for all images6     -index=URL       set the default index file to URLF     -ismap           toggles inclusion of ISMAP links when client-side%                      MAPs are presenthB     -link=NUMBER     starting count for lnk#.dat files produced by -crawl<     -localhost       disable URLs that point to remote hosts?     -mime_header     include mime headers and force source dumphA     -minimal         toggles minimal versus valid comment parsinga     -newschunksize=NUMBERv@                      number of articles in chunked news listings     -newsmaxchunk=NUMBERF                      maximum news articles in listings before chunking/     -nobrowse        disable directory browsing-D     -nocc            disable Cc: prompts for self copies of mailings+     -nocolor         turn off color support:F     -nofilereferer   disable transmissions of Referer headers for file URLs;     -nolist          disable the link list feature in dumps7B     -nolog           disable mailing of error messages to document ownersB     -nopause         disable forced pauses for statusline messages,     -noprint         disable print functions7     -noredir         don't follow Location: redirection =     -noreferer       disable transmissions of Referer headers>C     -nostatus        disable the miscellaneous information messagesf-     -number_links    force numbering of linksyC     -pauth=id:pw     authentication information for protected proxy  serverE     -popup           toggles handling of single-choice SELECT optionsi viay?                      popup windows or as lists of radio buttonsr?     -post_data       user data for post forms, read from stdin,.2                      terminated by '---' on a lineE     -preparsed       show parsed text/html with -source and in source/ view5     -print           enable print functions (DEFAULT) @     -pseudo_inlines  toggles pseudo-ALTs for inlines with no ALT string?     -raw             toggles default setting of 8-bit characterC translations>                      or CJK mode for the startup character setC     -realm           restricts access to URLs in the starting realmi8     -reload          flushes the cache on a proxy server7                      (only the first document affected)t     -restrictions=[options]o2                      use -restrictions to see listE     -resubmit_posts  toggles forced resubmissions (no-cache) of formsI withE                      method POST when the documents they returned aree soughtB                      with the PREV_DOC command or from the History List$     -rlogin          disable rlogins;     -selective       require .www_browsable files to browseu directories0D     -show_cursor     toggles hiding of the cursor in the lower right cornerE     -soft_dquotes    toggles emulation of the old Netscape and Mosaic 	 bug whichaE                      treated '>' as a co-terminator for double-quotes  and tagsD     -source          dump the source of the first file to stdout and exit3     -stack_dump      disable SIGINT cleanup handlerr?     -startfile_ok    allow non-http startfile and homepage withc	 -validatep=     -tagsoup         use TagSoup rather than SortaSGML parserd$     -telnet          disable telnets.     -term=TERM       set terminal type to TERMD     -tlog            toggles use of a Lynx Trace Log for the current sessionh-     -trace           turns on Lynx trace modeMC     -traversal       traverse all http links derived from startfile ?     -underscore      toggles use of _underline_ format in dumps 9     -useragent=Name  set alternate Lynx User-Agent headert;     -validate        accept only http URLs (for validation)oC     -verbose         toggles [LINK], [IMAGE] and [INLINE] comments c3                      with filenames of these imagese3     -version         print Lynx version informationI0     -vikeys          enable vi-like key movementE     -width=NUMBER    screen width for formatting of dumps (default ish 80)d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:16:32 -0500i& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?8 Message-ID: <80aoluore4vsfr9a8d8cqocr48taggtrdj@4ax.com>  @ Adobe Acrobat does very, very well with web pages.  You can evenE control the number of levels it will go down following links into they pages.  C I use it regularly from my PC to create .pdf files from web pages IA need to keep for reference.i  2 On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:05:09 +0200, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:e  N >How would you transform a 1500 pages HTML document made of more than 700 htmlF >files to plain text (Word or whatever) or PDF? Can Acrobat read HTML? >t >Thanks. >H >D.-  ) Not speaking for anyone, certainly not HPo- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:33:55 -0700o0 From: "Jason Winters" <jwinter@u.washington.edu>E Subject: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?r2 Message-ID: <aji2s2$1pce$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu>  < I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 11:43:34 -0700$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho)< Subject: Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95= Message-ID: <d0141774.0208151043.66aba6ec@posting.google.com>O  F OK, I solved my problem today and as usual I couldn't see the wood for
 the trees!  E It turns out it was a permissions problem on the newly created shareshF which were causing silent failures on the PC side and not being logged on the VMS side. Lovely.  F It wan't until I ditched the horrible, horrible 5.0 GUI and learned toE use the NET CLI that I saw what was wrong; and saw almost immediatelyrB by the way. Thank God they dropped this thing in newer versions in: favour of the ADMIN command. Going back is so, so painful.  @ Incidentally, on my path to solving this one, I dabbled with LPDC queues and all I can say is *YUCK*. The formatting was all over the 8 place and they're configuration was less than intuitive.  B It's all working lovely now, but I think I must have crossed everyF bridge on the way to the solution. If anyone has trouble in this area, I can probably help ;-)n   Thanks to all for your input.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 14:37:47 -0700% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips):E Subject: Licenses (was Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha]...))w= Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0208151337.43eefeb9@posting.google.com>e  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D5B018D.FDD998AC@fsi.net>... > "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > > 0 > > On 14 Aug 2002 at 10:19, Alan Frisbie wrote:F > > > The same for me!   If I do not see a price posted, I assume thatI > > > the seller is like a used car dealer, adjusting the price upward tokH > > > what he thinks he can get away with at the moment.   I will not do) > > > business with those kind of people.n > > >e > > > Do you hear that, HP?/ > >  > > It's not HP, it's SRI. > I > Doesn't matter - have you TRIED getting a price for OpenVMS or anythingp+ > OpenVMS related off their website lately?a >  > Good luck!  D Well, I've found prices, but here's a little example of why everyoneF in the world isn't/hasn't jumped on the VMS bandwagon. I have a clientD with a small Alpha (DEC 2000/300) who has kept his hardware/softwareB agreement current. He wants to add 2 interactive users, 3 AdvancedF Server users, and TCP/IP TELNET & FTP now. Here are the US prices from CPQ's web site for that:  .   QL-MT3AA-3C  2 user VMS license      $674.00:   QM-5SUAA-1B  Adv.Server lice.(each)  $149.00 (x3 = $447).   QL-0M2AE-AA  TCP/IP Client license. $1750.00  ; For a total of $2871.00. Does anyone think those prices are  competitive?  
   DL PHILLIPS    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:29:49 GMTe% From: "Yong Liu" <fdu9774@rogers.com>u Subject: OpenVMS XWindowF Message-ID: <h3V69.9103$sa1.6570@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Hi,h  H How can I invoke a Xwindow the way I do in HP-UX? I tried xterm and thatJ does not work. In fact, in UNIX XWin, they have a command for every window% operation. Can we do that in OpenVMS/n   Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:57:40 +0200 ' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.not>- Subject: Re: OpenVMS XWindow( Message-ID: <3D5C31E4.D542B059@spam.not>   Yong Liu wrote::  J > How can I invoke a Xwindow the way I do in HP-UX? I tried xterm and thatL > does not work. In fact, in UNIX XWin, they have a command for every window' > operation. Can we do that in OpenVMS/   E If you need a terminal window you could easily chose DECterm from the 
 Applications pG menu. I assume you're running DECwindows/Motif on your VMS host. If youh like to G display your X11 compliant application like DECterm on a different host  you can 1 change the value of the Logical DISPLAY. Look at h $ HELP SHOW DISPLAY  $ HELP SET DISPLAY  G It is baiscal a good idea to include a piece of information about your  G environment like VMS version, installed SW and the HW it is running on.,   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:25:00 +1000t* From: James Cameron <james.cameron@hp.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS XWindow8 Message-ID: <pan.2002.08.16.10.25.00.168769.3688@hp.com>  3 On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:29:49 +1000, Yong Liu wrote:UJ > How can I invoke a Xwindow the way I do in HP-UX? I tried xterm and thatE > does not work. In fact, in UNIX XWin, they have a command for every . > window operation. Can we do that in OpenVMS/  G Yes, provided it is a command that does the window operation.  In place * of xterm, use the command CREATE /TERMINAL   --
 James Cameron    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:50:42 -0500a/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>.H Subject: RE: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ???T Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C7A7@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  J The restriction is Alpha based not VMS based.  This is cut and pasted from an email I received.  > 	Oracle is de-committing support because of performance on theI pre-EV56 chips.  Pre-EV56 chips did not have byte or word instructions in K hardware, they were emulated (by reading 32 bits and shifting or masking toLI get 8 or 16 bits) in firmware.  EV56 was the first generation of Alpha to 8 put in hardware these needed byte and word instructions.  E 	This restriction imposed by Oracle affects not only OpenVMS but also L Tru64.  This is not an OpenVMS issue but an Alpha issue.  This affects Alpha# chips that run slower than 400 MHz.e  A 	The new versions of Oracle will be optimized to run on the newer G versions of the Alpha processor.  For additional information (includingt1 support information) please see the following URLC< http://www.openvms.compaq.com/solutions/oracle/monthQs.html.   EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**M   > -----Original Message-----B > From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [mailto:david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk]* > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:31 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc; > Subject: Re: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later o > chips - why ???s >  > 
 > In article n> > <20020815150439.40669.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio , > Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:1 > >The old story about 450.000 VMS installations. 1 > >May be 100.000 VAXes = obsoletes ! And 250.000  > >pre EV56 ....2 > >Who will install Oracle 9 in old machines which2 > >are not scalable anymore? Oracle 9 demands more2 > >CPU power...it is Internet ready etc... I doubt2 > >someone using Oracle 9 in a DEC 3000 do power a > >E-business site !!!!! > >o > ? > Well I want to on my two 2100 5/300 systems each with 3 CPUs.. >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  > PS.  > > > If I can't get Oracle 9i running on these systems which are  > used for teaching < > Oracle then with the decommisioning of these systems that  > will be that for@ > VMS at the University. I won't be able to pursuade anybody to 
 > buy new VMSv4 > systems. All the new admin systems are Unix based. >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:44:10 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>H Subject: Re: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ???, Message-ID: <3D5BF67A.9090602@tsoft-inc.com>   Alan Greig wrote:o     > G > And it really irks me that Oracle see fit to stick in version checks.tF > Upgrade VMS and Oracle or RDB may decide it isn't going to run. Same< > if you upgrade the processor to an upcoming EV7 I believe.   > G > Oh wait, then I wouldn't be forced to give Oracle money to upgrade totG > the latest version just to keep a low priority application available.eD > Although we keep RDB and DBMS on full support we have a historicalF > Oracle application that will either die or move to HP-UX if it won'tH > run after an upgrade. I had to argue for the funding to bring it up toF > Y2K with Developer 2000 front end and Oracle 8 backend (both on VMS)4 > but I don't have that budget to call on next time.  L If I had to take a guess, the practice is done for revenue reasons.  Oracle Q really knows how to milk customers.  I've never been convinced that the value of  J their products is anywhere near what they charge for them.  I guess their C customers feel differently.  Otherwise they'd choose another route.e  2 The important thing is to keep Larry's jet flying.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:03:35 -0700 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>K Subject: Re: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3? , Message-ID: <3D5BDEE7.613E337A@Mvb.Saic.Com>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > F > In article <KqL69.404$67l.181269504@news.telia.no>, "Steinar Botten" > <sbo@satcom.nera.no> writes: > N > >Is there any reason why I should recompile applications (written in plain CM > >and Pascal - no inline assembly code) when moving from an AlphaServer 4X00n< > >5/300 running OpenVMS 7.1, to a DS10 running OpenVMS 7.3? > L > You certainly shouldn't be required to recompile; OpenVMS Alpha is OpenVMS > Alpha, and it should work. > M > However, I believe you're going from EV5 to EV6 when you go from a 5/300 tos? > a DS10.  If you wanted to recompile with /ARCHITECTURE=EV6 orEM > /ARCHITECTURE=HOST you might get more performance out of it, at the expensenD > of having an image you couldn't count on taking back to your 4100. >  [remainder deleted]   D Why do people keep saying this?  An image built on any Alpha runningF OpenVMS will run on any other alpha running the same or higher versionC of OpenVMS, even if built with architecture-specific optimizations.   A OpenVMS emulates any instructions it uses on any of its supportedoG platforms that don't natively have that instruction.  So, while you maygE impact performance, you will not build an image that you won't run on  some alphas.  
 Mark Berrymand   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:41:20 -0500n7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>sK Subject: Re: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3?yG Message-ID: <craigberry-993251.00412016082002@news.directvinternet.com>e  , In article <3D5BDEE7.613E337A@Mvb.Saic.Com>,2  Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> wrote:  , > Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:  8 > > If you wanted to recompile with /ARCHITECTURE=EV6 orO > > /ARCHITECTURE=HOST you might get more performance out of it, at the expense F > > of having an image you couldn't count on taking back to your 4100.  F > Why do people keep saying this?  An image built on any Alpha runningH > OpenVMS will run on any other alpha running the same or higher versionE > of OpenVMS, even if built with architecture-specific optimizations.h  I Unless the image is a device driver?  I'm asking because there have been sC a number of reports of people unable to get an Oxygen VX1 or KZPEA oD working in an EV5 system, i.e., completely non-functional (over and F above being unsupported) and the explanation has always been that the  drivers are optimized for EV6.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:16:36 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>L) Subject: Re: Sales & Marketing Acumen - I , Message-ID: <3D5BF003.D4CA9EA6@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:A > One of the greatest needs occurs months or even years pre-sale:lI > budgeting. We need pricing without pulling teeth, killing foreign headseE > of state, breaking into Fort Knox, etc. and we need it *YESTERDAY*.   
 I agree 200%.l  J Heck, I still remember the time where I was made to feel a criminal when IF called Compaq to ask for the normal regular, undiscounted price for anM all-in-1 licence because it seemed absolutely forbidden for the staff to given out prices to customers.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:04:36 GMTs1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>u) Subject: Re: Sales & Marketing Acumen - Ii' Message-ID: <3D5BF22A.783EBDEE@fsi.net>    Phillip Helbig wrote:b > K > > The old adage is just as meaningful today as ever, maybe more: "Time is  > > money".o >  > Given: >  >    time is money >  >    knowledge is poweru > 
 > definition:  >  >    power = energy/time >  > substitution:d >  >    knowledge = energy/moneye >  > solving for money, we getd >  >    money = energy/knowledged > H > Thus, as knowledge goes to zero, money goes to infinity, regardless of > the energy expended.  + ...as Enron and others are now discovering.e   -- o David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:58:13 -0700a, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>- Subject: Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge 5 Message-ID: <ajh4l6$1bm30l$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>   C Any chance of this getting into 7.2-2?  Would be nice for our site.    Thanks,  Jim  < "Rob Brooks" <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message' news:PIcMvRfWLYQo@cuebid.zko.dec.com...o  > norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > > / > > Is the TIMA for FC Minimerge part of V7.3-1t3 > > or is that later (and of course, if later, when 4 > > (which I do not expect is known, but might be))?	 > > -Norm  >rC > The plan (always subject to change) is to provide HSG80 minimerge E > via an ECO kit for V7.3-1 at some point in the future.  It will not E > be on the V7.3-1 kit for a very good reason -- we haven't completedo > the work yet!  > L > My best guess is some time in the late fall.  I can't be any more specificI > because we haven't finished writing all the code yet.  For those of your who F > subscribe to the source listings (is the [shadowing] facility on the
 listings?)K > SHDRIVER.MAR has grown by over 1,000 blocks, with correspondingly similarwK > growth in SHD_MERGE, SHD_LOCK, SHD_INIT, etc . . .  This is a substantiala > modification!h >a& > It'll be worth the wait, though! :-) >t > -- > 1 > Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Groupd brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:31:12 -0400e  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: VMS in M$ ade4 Message-ID: <1020815172348.415A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  = Sorry to be so vague about this, but a friend of mine spottedl= this the other day, and I forgot all about it until just now.   > I don't have the magazine at work, so I'm going from memory...  . I think everyone will be amused (or disgusted)  9 There's a 2-page ad for M$ in 2nd most recent PC Magazinet9 (August, I think.)  Each page has a picture of a bunch ofo6 people standing in front of a bunch of computers.  The9 people are obviously at odds with each other (edging awayR8 from the other picture and looking askance at the people in the other picture.)  8 There's a big headline about reconciling the differences7 between your windows weenies and your unix weenies (not  their terminology.)e  6 Down amidst the text portion of the ad, there is a box6 with a line diagram of how the systems are supposed to5 talk to each other.  The "Unix" box in the diagram is6 labeled "VMS".  ;-)u   -- e John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:40:50 GMTo1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>o Subject: Re: VMS in M$ adi- Message-ID: <CdV69.31856$983.46763@rwcrnsc53>.  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in messagef. news:1020815172348.415A-100000@Ives.egh.com...? > Sorry to be so vague about this, but a friend of mine spottede? > this the other day, and I forgot all about it until just now.e >T@ > I don't have the magazine at work, so I'm going from memory... > 0 > I think everyone will be amused (or disgusted) >.; > There's a 2-page ad for M$ in 2nd most recent PC Magazinet; > (August, I think.)  Each page has a picture of a bunch of-8 > people standing in front of a bunch of computers.  The; > people are obviously at odds with each other (edging awayn: > from the other picture and looking askance at the people > in the other picture.) >t: > There's a big headline about reconciling the differences9 > between your windows weenies and your unix weenies (not  > their terminology.)4 >48 > Down amidst the text portion of the ad, there is a box8 > with a line diagram of how the systems are supposed to7 > talk to each other.  The "Unix" box in the diagram is  > labeled "VMS".  ;-)   J Dump the MS and the Unix and go with VMS? Seems to be a pretty darned good reconciliation to me!e   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 11:28:02 -0700$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) Subject: Re: VS3100 questionst= Message-ID: <d0141774.0208151028.37aff211@posting.google.com>   d hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<ajds8h$gsb$2@web1.cup.hp.com>...e > In article <d0141774.0208140142.c304c40@posting.google.com>, issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) writes:e3 > :Is it possible to tell the following from VMS...h > : 6 > :(a) Which model of VS3100 I have (10/20/30/40,etc.) > D >   Please do not abbreviate system names.   Why?  Because the modelC >   names are very similar.   Salient example of the confusion thatrH >   can be caused by abbreviation: I will here assume that this "VS3100"H >   is the "VAXstation 3100" series and not the "VAXserver 3100" series.  > OK, Point taken. The box says VAXstation 3100, the Model no is VS42A-BC   > E >   You don't have a VAXstation 3100 series model 10 nor model 20, ash@ >   there is no such system.  There is no particular motherboardA >   difference between the model 30 and model 40, nor between theaH >   model 38 and model 48, these systems were differented by the number F >   of storage expansion slots and the physical size of the enclosure.E >   The VAXstation 3100 model 76 had a unique motherboard and was not 0 >   (AFAIK) available with differing enclosures. > D >   Since you don't know this already from the tag front of the box,D >   you probably have a model 30 or a model 40.  If you were to lookA >   at the side of the box and see two horizontal rows of coolingaD >   slots, you have a model 30 (or 38).  If you see three horizontal( >   rows, the box is a model 40 (or 48).  : Two rows, so it's looking like a VAXstation 3100 Model 30.   > C >   You can use the OpenVMS command SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE to identifyaA >   the processor family, then count the slots on the side of thet >   box to determine the model.    $ sho lic/charge* VMS/LMF Charge Information for node xxxxxx0 This is a VAXserver 3100, hardware model type 60  4 Wait a minute... VAXserver??? What's that all about? What is this thing?    > 5 > :(b) Which graphic board is fitted (Mono, SPX, GPX)( > C >   It's easiest to ask the console for this, but you probably have E >   the GPX.  (Again, the presence of the SPX graphics controller wasPF >   usually highlighted by the presence of SPX on the tag on the front >   of the box.) > E >   But if you ask the console (SHOW DEVICE or SHOW CONFIG or HELP orVE >   such), you won't have to take the box apart.  (And you won't haveaC >   to trust that the actual contents of the VAXstation 3100 serieso1 >   box matches the tag on the front of the box.)m >   @ SHOW CONFIG doesn't exist at the console and SHOW DEV just lists drives.-F Surely there must be a SHOW DEV/FULL xxx on VMS that will tell me what kind of board it is?   BTW, the CPU is KA42-A V1.3V   > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------P >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:27:10 GMTt) From: Andrew Balaam <abalaam@yahoo.co.uk>p Subject: Re: VWS questioni5 Message-ID: <20020815.20271000.2715694214@imagnu.geo>n  < Not the answer I really wanted to here (read), such is life!   Thanks for the reply.   6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  I On 15/08/02, 17:38:54, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>=20 ! wrote regarding Re: VWS question:-    # > Andrew Balaam wrote in message=205+ <20020815.6312800.3627404053@imagnu.geo>...n > Hi,>I > Does anyone know whether there are VWS drivers for the SPX graphics ca=. rd > on a VAX?n   >     Nope.0  > > I have some software that runs under VWS, and at the moment,D > the fastest VAXstation I can get with GPX is the 3100/76. I have aI > VAXstation 4000/90 and would really like to run this software on that.=d  IF > have tried the VWS->DECwindows migration package, but it is not very > reliable, nor very 'snappy'!  D >     Worked pretty well on a Alpha 10 years ago when I tried it ;-)  F > I know that there was no official support for VWS/SPX, but I thoughtG > there were unofficial / unsupported drivers knocking about somewhere.   I >     Nope.  Never were.  Never will be.  The GPX was the last thing eve=C r4/ > worked on officially or unofficially for VSW.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:25:21 GMTl From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..comm$ Subject: XFC v2 ECO, negative report8 Message-ID: <pannlus129e7t34eedr847b2hucn3botsf@4ax.com>  9 Well.  Installed this ECO,  set VCC_FLAGS to 2, rebooted.a  8 Within 1-2 hours, saw some of the same sort of troubles 7 described as fixed in the eco readme,  hung processes,  8 some of them rwast'ed.  also , seemingly, some problems * that looked related to the queue manager. 1 (non-existent  jobs stuck in aborting state, etc)n  B Tried one or two reboots, after setting some number of files/disks@ /cache=no (disks containing mostly global section backing files,4 virtual disk container files,  *.qman$journal, etc).7 some improvement,  but we still saw similar problems.  n  ( Gave up, and went back to VCC_FLAGS = 1.  ; This was on a 2+ gb memory DS20, (stand-alone, unclustered)d= running with 2 cpu's on  (didn't get a chance to try running   w/ 1 cpu only).  O  < In contrast, at home, standalone single cpu Alpha , (pc164) 9 with 1 gb memory, I'd  been running XFC + the 1st ECO's,  / for months now, with not a hint of troubles.   :  4 Was rather looking forward to the XFC + 2nd eco, as 8 for example, it cut down by approx half, the time for a , rebuild-all for one of our major projects.    ? I'd be interested to hear what sort of things we could capture,t: that might be useful/interesting to report, if we were to  try again later.    5 (we're sorting out some s/w support issues currently)a   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2002 15:48:00 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)t( Subject: Re: XFC v2 ECO, negative report3 Message-ID: <eslRAZ$IEdxc@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  Z In article <pannlus129e7t34eedr847b2hucn3botsf@4ax.com>, LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com writes:; > Well.  Installed this ECO,  set VCC_FLAGS to 2, rebooted.  > : > Within 1-2 hours, saw some of the same sort of troubles 9 > described as fixed in the eco readme,  hung processes, f: > some of them rwast'ed.  also , seemingly, some problems , > that looked related to the queue manager. 3 > (non-existent  jobs stuck in aborting state, etc)s > D > Tried one or two reboots, after setting some number of files/disksB > /cache=no (disks containing mostly global section backing files,6 > virtual disk container files,  *.qman$journal, etc).9 > some improvement,  but we still saw similar problems.  - > * > Gave up, and went back to VCC_FLAGS = 1. > = > This was on a 2+ gb memory DS20, (stand-alone, unclustered) ? > running with 2 cpu's on  (didn't get a chance to try running a > w/ 1 cpu only).  t > > > In contrast, at home, standalone single cpu Alpha , (pc164) ; > with 1 gb memory, I'd  been running XFC + the 1st ECO's,  1 > for months now, with not a hint of troubles.   i > 6 > Was rather looking forward to the XFC + 2nd eco, as : > for example, it cut down by approx half, the time for a . > rebuild-all for one of our major projects.   > A > I'd be interested to hear what sort of things we could capture,i< > that might be useful/interesting to report, if we were to  > try again later.   > 7 > (we're sorting out some s/w support issues currently)   5 	Out of curiousity, you did first apply the mandatoryy 	VMS73_UPDATE-V0100 ?o   				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:15:09 GMT  From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..coms( Subject: Re: XFC v2 ECO, negative report8 Message-ID: <646olu8o9ti2qb2jktdt3ve5r0tvv2mqjp@4ax.com>  D On 15 Aug 2002 15:48:00 -0600, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:6 >	Out of curiousity, you did first apply the mandatory >	VMS73_UPDATE-V0100 ? >				Rob yes.    on this 'ticular system, so far:  A DEC AXPVMS VMS73_XFC V2.0      Patch Install 13-AUG-2002 21:09:37SA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_PTHREAD V3.0  Patch Install 13-AUG-2002 21:08:56tA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_DDTM V1.0     Patch Install 28-APR-2002 08:07:42sA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_SYS V4.0      Patch Install 28-APR-2002 08:03:02 A DEC AXPVMS VMS73_RMS V3.0      Patch Install 28-APR-2002 07:58:58nA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_MANAGE V1.0   Patch Install 28-APR-2002 07:53:44nA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_INIT V1.0     Patch Install 28-APR-2002 07:49:01lA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_RTPAD V1.0    Patch Install 28-APR-2002 07:44:28lA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_ACRTL V2.0    Patch Install 28-APR-2002 07:40:37mA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_DCL V2.0      Patch Install 28-APR-2002 07:28:54tA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_BACKUP V1.0   Patch Install 28-APR-2002 07:23:10gA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_CLUSTER V2.0  Patch Install 19-JAN-2002 21:21:44iA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_APB V1.0      Patch Install 19-JAN-2002 21:17:41rA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_SYSINI V1.0   Patch Install 19-JAN-2002 21:14:10yA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_DRIVER V2.0   Patch Install 19-JAN-2002 21:10:24eA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_UPDATE V1.0   Patch Install 19-JAN-2002 21:06:31cA DEC AXPVMS VMS73_LIBRTL V1.0   Patch Install 19-JAN-2002 20:59:33n   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.449 ************************