1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 16 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 450       Contents: Re: Available Positions / BLISS -   was: Reading FP, SP, and PC registers  Booting off users  Re: Booting off users  Re: Booting off users < Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion Re: DCL question Re: DCL question7 Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems ; Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems ; Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems ; Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems ; Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems ; Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems ; Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems ; Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems  file manager Re: file manager Re: file manager' Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap ' Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap ' Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap  Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: FTP> get *.* does not work Getting Telnet target port Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF? @ Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?@ Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?@ Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?@ Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?@ Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?@ Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?3 Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95   keypad emulation in xterm window$ Re: keypad emulation in xterm window$ Re: keypad emulation in xterm window$ Re: keypad emulation in xterm window Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup  Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup @ Re: Licenses (was Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha]...)) Monitor record format question" Re: Monitor record format question" OpenVMS Comes to Itanium - Houston? Re: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ??? * Reading a backup set from a ISO-9660 disk?. Re: Reading a backup set from a ISO-9660 disk?B Re: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3?@ REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION - DECCXX 6.5 UNREACHABLE CODE WARNINGS* Re: TCPIP TELNET service on alternate port total VMS newbie - pointers?  Re: total VMS newbie - pointers?$ Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge$ Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge$ Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge Re: VMS in M$ ad Re: VMS in M$ ad Re: VMS in M$ ad Re: VS3100 questions  Why C is better than Fortran 95?$ Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?$ Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?$ Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?$ Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95? XP1000 boot from DVD-R problem, [O.T.?] Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge [OT] (really?) For Terry S.  Re: [OT] (really?) For Terry S.  Re: [OT] (really?) For Terry S.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:22:12 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>   Subject: Re: Available Positions8 Message-ID: <g1opluo4602ugieec9231ohuhb1jgfo2sr@4ax.com>  2 On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:05:41 +0200, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:   ) >How do you call toll free from Toulouse?   & Wrong newsgroup. You want alt.2600 :-)   >:-) >  >D.  >  >Michele Jones wrote:  >>   >> Hello Everyone, >>  I >> I was hoping I could gain your help.  I currently have several opening A >> for QA testers with Dec/VAX VMS experience. These are contract G >> positions in St. Louis, MO.  If you are interested and would like to G >> learn more or know any one that might be could you please contact me # >> toll free at 1-888-773-3403x720.    -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 07:57:04 -0700" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe)8 Subject: BLISS -   was: Reading FP, SP, and PC registers= Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0208160657.1f31b520@posting.google.com>   U system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A12720.A0CA941D@SendSpamHere.ORG>... d > In article <d56d1c2d.0208140916.640e7746@posting.google.com>, cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) writes: > 
 > Hey Joe, >  > Perhaps this will help...  >  >  > #include <libicb.h>  > #include <pdscdef.h> > #include <ssdef.h> >  > #define	FP 29  > #define	SP 30  > : > int LIB$GET_CURR_INVO_CONTEXT(struct invo_context_blk*); > " > struct invo_context_blk context; > struct pdscdef *pdsc;  > 	 > main ()  > {  >     __int64 fp,sp,pc;  > * >     LIB$GET_CURR_INVO_CONTEXT(&context);% >     fp = context.libicb$q_ireg[FP]; % >     sp = context.libicb$q_ireg[SP]; F >     pdsc = (struct pdscdef*) context.libicb$ph_procedure_descriptor;+ >     pc = (__int64) pdsc->pdsc$q_entry[0];  > }    VAXMAN to the rescue.  Cool...   6 Actually stumbled across LIB$GET_CURR_INVO_CONTEXT and@ LIB$GET_PREV_INVO_CONTEXT several hours after the original post.D Missed it in the manual but turned it up after I don't know how manyB Google search attempts involving "invocation block" or some such -@ found a single FORTRAN example that shed some light. I have fondC memories of the "old gray wall." At least the system service manual C has that "related service" thing attached to everything. Have found 8 even that to be lacking on some of the newer services...  C Actually I'm poking around through the listings trying to hook into D TBK$SHOW_TRACEBACK. BLISS. Can't find it and never written a line ofC the stuff in my life. Poked around and have the C caller and action D routine working at this point. Guess I've been around long enough toD muddle through the BLISS based on past C knowledge. I'm seeing stuffE that makes it look like the default passing mechanism is by reference C but then there's this "dot stuff" all over the place which that has   this "pass by value" feel to it.  F I don't suppose there's a "BLISS for Dummies" or "Teach Yourself BLISS in 5 Days" book out there...   Joe    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:15:38 -0600 ) From: "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com>  Subject: Booting off users+ Message-ID: <ajiu510udf@enews3.newsguy.com>   
 Hello all!  J Quick question...any way to boot users off at a certain time with OpenVMS?G  I have login restrictions set, but if they logon before hand they stay E on.  Also, is there any way to log the output of a command?  Well...I ; shouldn't say command since most of the commands I can do a I /output=filename.  The findlocks program is what I am trying to capture.   Thanks people!   James    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:21:21 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Booting off users) Message-ID: <3D5D0A61.490743EF@127.0.0.1>    DigiDemon wrote: >  > Hello all! > L > Quick question...any way to boot users off at a certain time with OpenVMS?I >  I have login restrictions set, but if they logon before hand they stay G > on.  Also, is there any way to log the output of a command?  Well...I = > shouldn't say command since most of the commands I can do a J > /output=filename.  The findlocks program is what I am trying to capture. > Thanks people!  A I wrote a command procedure many, many years ago called CHUCKOFF.   C I was amazed to return to the establishment in question to not only H still see it running, but find it had been extended to deal with windows
 users too!  D I thought that having login restriction set in the access fields didC actually terminate processes. Anyway, I'd still recommend writing a @ command file because your application may have a graceful way ofE allowing "signing off" users, which I'd recommend before doing FORCEX  and STOP/ID.  ? Perhaps you could call your procedure BOOTOFF.COM. 'Chuck' is a 8 Lancastrian term which may not translate in your locale.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 11:22:26 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Booting off users3 Message-ID: <7q3$QepeD98c@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3D5D0A61.490743EF@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > DigiDemon wrote: >>  
 >> Hello all!  >>  M >> Quick question...any way to boot users off at a certain time with OpenVMS? J >>  I have login restrictions set, but if they logon before hand they stayH >> on.  Also, is there any way to log the output of a command?  Well...I> >> shouldn't say command since most of the commands I can do aK >> /output=filename.  The findlocks program is what I am trying to capture.  >> Thanks people!  > C > I wrote a command procedure many, many years ago called CHUCKOFF.  > E > I was amazed to return to the establishment in question to not only J > still see it running, but find it had been extended to deal with windows > users too!   Can't one just wait 47 days ?    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 07:52:52 -0700) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion < Message-ID: <55f85d77.0208160652.592c89f@posting.google.com>  _ "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message news:<3D5B81A2.18537.6244B8@localhost>...  > F > When I discuss the Windows version, I make it clear that you should H > NEVER, EVER, run anything else on the box -- make it a 100% dedicated 3 > server.  The Alpha OpenVMS version is rock solid.   C How about killing the Window(tm) version? It would be for the best.   I The thinking of the borgbots(tm) who run this in a commercial environment K (only because they have to) will be - "hey lookit - this is real unreliable G software that runs under this emulator - lets study it and do it under  H Window(tm), it'll run a lot better there". Vision of "consultants", yearL long project, and a solution everyone will hate until the next "consultants" arrive.   : *NOT HAPPY JAN* (Aus. saying - go look this up on google).  F I can't help thinking you are taking sales away from current Alpha and Future Itanic products.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:14:58 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  Subject: Re: DCL question 8 Message-ID: <ehcplu026s6dhqbtnaa0t0h03d6g79mm6f@4ax.com>  3 On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:25:17 -0400, Brian Hechinger  <wonko@4amlunch.net> wrote:   < >On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:15:39AM +0100, Alan Greig wrote: >>  >> $ open/read/write net sys$net > L >i'm assuming that sys$net is a CREATE_NTY style object? (well, i guess it's >called CREATE_SESSION in UX)   D In this case it is created automatically by UCX's inetd (auxiliary)    >   >> $ read/error=error net buffer > N >the problem though, is i seem to be doing the same thing you are, but my read >never returns.  it just hangs.   @ What version of UCX/TCPIP are you using. Or is it an alternativeE stack? Actually I guess from comments above that it is an alternative & stack. Perhaps a bug in its emulation?   >-brian    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:01:11 -0400 * From: Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net> Subject: Re: DCL question 6 Message-ID: <20020816110111.H7427@marvin.4amlunch.net>  ; On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 09:14:58AM +0100, Alan Greig wrote:  > B > What version of UCX/TCPIP are you using. Or is it an alternativeG > stack? Actually I guess from comments above that it is an alternative ( > stack. Perhaps a bug in its emulation?  N i'm using Multinet, and since everyone i talk to who uses UCX keeps telling meM to do it the way that doesn't work, i'm going to operate under the assumption K that this is a multinet issue, so i've moved my questioning to the multinet 8 mailing list, i will post a summary of my findings here.   thanks for all your help!!   -brian --   she manipulates my language			| ) the scion of a cunning goddess			| Fridge   and i *am* but a MAN				| Magnet) watching my gratuitous torment			| Poetry  not looking herculean				|   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:27:27 +0100 ! From: "Pete" <no.address@all.com> @ Subject: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems? Message-ID: <mt479.1411$s66.44669@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>   J What steps should people take to ensure their C++ code is portable in case. you move from VMS to another operating system?  J One thing I've thought of is not calling system service routines directly,F but instead calling inline functions which in turn call system service< routines. Does that sound like a good idea? Any other ideas?   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:12:46 +0000 (UTC) % From: John Forkosh <john@invalid.com> D Subject: Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems, Message-ID: <ajimne$8qo$1@reader2.panix.com>    Pete <no.address@all.com> wrote:L : What steps should people take to ensure their C++ code is portable in case0 : you move from VMS to another operating system? : L : One thing I've thought of is not calling system service routines directly,H : but instead calling inline functions which in turn call system service> : routines. Does that sound like a good idea? Any other ideas?  D Sounds like a good idea.  Even better is a library of glue functions@ to VMS system services (and rtl, etc).  You want to be sure noneB of your application logic code/functions/modules #include anything? like descrip or ssdef, etc.  For example, if you need to call a F service that requires a string descriptor, make sure the glue function> for that service just takes a null-terminated string as input,E then stuffs it into a descriptor before actually calling the service. G And make sure it returns null-terminated strings, when needed, as well. C      Of course, that's a real easy case.  Logicals are a bit harder @ since any future target you port to probably won't have VMS-likeC logicals.  RMS is even harder, and qio's with event flags and ast's  won't port easily at all. >      For these things, you have to design the application in aB portable way from the start.  There's no good way (that I know of)@ for a line-by-line (or thereabouts) mapping of VMS-specific code to another OS.?      And I've seen VMS code that uses explicit RMS sys$get's to B sequentially read unindexed ascii files, when a simple fopen(,"r")9 would have worked just fine.  So if you're thinking about B porting legacy code, I wouldn't be making any promises till you've looked it over real well.  --  > John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 06:21:06 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) D Subject: Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems3 Message-ID: <anz7HnWx1iWs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <mt479.1411$s66.44669@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>, "Pete" <no.address@all.com> writes: L > What steps should people take to ensure their C++ code is portable in case0 > you move from VMS to another operating system? > L > One thing I've thought of is not calling system service routines directly,H > but instead calling inline functions which in turn call system service> > routines. Does that sound like a good idea? Any other ideas?  F Since you do not know what that other operating system might be, don'tD rely, even indirectly, on indexed files, relative files, clustering,E protected subsystems, mailboxes, ICC Services, the Lock Manager, exit E handlers, asynchronous IO, the message facility, P2 space, SMG, batch E support, per-thread security, process quotas, kernel threads, ASTs or  file versioning.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:20:27 +0100 ! From: "Pete" <no.address@all.com> D Subject: Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems? Message-ID: <i7679.1947$s66.58179@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>   2 "John Forkosh" <john@invalid.com> wrote in message& news:ajimne$8qo$1@reader2.panix.com..." > Pete <no.address@all.com> wrote:I > : What steps should people take to ensure their C++ code is portable inA case2 > : you move from VMS to another operating system? > : D > : One thing I've thought of is not calling system service routines	 directly, J > : but instead calling inline functions which in turn call system service@ > : routines. Does that sound like a good idea? Any other ideas? > F > Sounds like a good idea.  Even better is a library of glue functions' > to VMS system services (and rtl, etc)t  C What's a glue function? Does this mean a 1-to-1 mapping between the 3 replacement library functions and the VMS routines?m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:06:38 +0100i( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>D Subject: Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems) Message-ID: <3D5CEACE.9139C75D@127.0.0.1>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > e > In article <mt479.1411$s66.44669@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>, "Pete" <no.address@all.com> writes:aN > > What steps should people take to ensure their C++ code is portable in case2 > > you move from VMS to another operating system? > >aN > > One thing I've thought of is not calling system service routines directly,J > > but instead calling inline functions which in turn call system service@ > > routines. Does that sound like a good idea? Any other ideas? > H > Since you do not know what that other operating system might be, don'tF > rely, even indirectly, on indexed files, relative files, clustering,G > protected subsystems, mailboxes, ICC Services, the Lock Manager, exitrG > handlers, asynchronous IO, the message facility, P2 space, SMG, batchMG > support, per-thread security, process quotas, kernel threads, ASTs or  > file versioning.  & What have the Romans ever done for us?   (Sorry couldn't resist it).d -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesr nclews at csc dot coms   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:57:27 +0000 (UTC)d% From: John Forkosh <john@invalid.com>wD Subject: Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems, Message-ID: <ajj0c6$bba$1@reader2.panix.com>    Pete <no.address@all.com> wrote:* : "John Forkosh" <john@invalid.com> wrote:$ : > Pete <no.address@all.com> wrote:G : > : One thing I've thought of is not calling system service routines, L : > : but instead calling inline functions which in turn call system serviceB : > : routines. Does that sound like a good idea? Any other ideas? : >rH : > Sounds like a good idea.  Even better is a library of glue functions) : > to VMS system services (and rtl, etc)r  E : What's a glue function? Does this mean a 1-to-1 mapping between thee5 : replacement library functions and the VMS routines?   B A glue function is (to me) the same thing as your inline function,= except it's not inline, but rather a "real" function, and can1F therefore do more for you (but, granted, with somewhat more overhead).A      For example, suppose you have an application that only needst@ to query a database, and you want it independent/portable of theG database.  So you write querydb(key,record) -- in a real simple case --OC that takes key as input and returns record.  Our querydb() function]H can internally keep some static variables so it can do db initializationD on first call, etc.  That way, the application never "sees" anything? about the database which it doesn't need to see.  If you changetC dbms's, all you have to do is rewrite querydb() and link it in withTF the old application code.  As long as that old code is ansi compliant,7 it should run transparently with the new glue function.  --  > John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:44:49 -0600n6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>D Subject: Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems1 Message-ID: <ml779.995$wj.307857@news.uswest.net>l  I VMS is, for better or worse, very difficult to port code to and from.  ItaI has a lot of features that other OSs don't and it's also missing a lot of-I API level features that other OSs have.  This is good and bad, but from anJ porting perspective, it's bad.  Basically, anything much more complex than   #include <stdio.h> int main(int, int) { printf("Hello, World\n");S	 return 0;  }t  E will be difficult to port simply because the VMS programming model is<D significantly different from Unix, MVS, MS-Windows, etc.  For a moreL detailed look at the porting issue, take a look at the SAMBA Sources for VMSK and compare them with the SAMBA Sources for Unix.  Although SAMBA is a portfK to VMS, the issues faced by the porters will also need to be addressed when_ porting from VMS.   
 Mike Ober.  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in messagen# news:3D5CEACE.9139C75D@127.0.0.1...  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >TJ > > In article <mt479.1411$s66.44669@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>, "Pete" <no.address@all.com> writes:K > > > What steps should people take to ensure their C++ code is portable inn case4 > > > you move from VMS to another operating system? > > >.F > > > One thing I've thought of is not calling system service routines	 directly,TL > > > but instead calling inline functions which in turn call system serviceB > > > routines. Does that sound like a good idea? Any other ideas? > >oJ > > Since you do not know what that other operating system might be, don'tH > > rely, even indirectly, on indexed files, relative files, clustering,I > > protected subsystems, mailboxes, ICC Services, the Lock Manager, exitvI > > handlers, asynchronous IO, the message facility, P2 space, SMG, batchlI > > support, per-thread security, process quotas, kernel threads, ASTs orA > > file versioning. > ( > What have the Romans ever done for us? >m > (Sorry couldn't resist it).h > --A > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Scienceso > nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2002 17:27:15 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)D Subject: Re: Ensuring Portability of code to other operating systems6 Message-ID: <ajjcli$1c8dnd$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  , In article <ajj0c6$bba$1@reader2.panix.com>,( 	John Forkosh <john@invalid.com> writes: > D > A glue function is (to me) the same thing as your inline function,? > except it's not inline, but rather a "real" function, and can H > therefore do more for you (but, granted, with somewhat more overhead).C >      For example, suppose you have an application that only needstB > to query a database, and you want it independent/portable of theI > database.  So you write querydb(key,record) -- in a real simple case -- E > that takes key as input and returns record.  Our querydb() functionnJ > can internally keep some static variables so it can do db initializationF > on first call, etc.  That way, the application never "sees" anythingA > about the database which it doesn't need to see.  If you changesE > dbms's, all you have to do is rewrite querydb() and link it in with6H > the old application code.  As long as that old code is ansi compliant,9 > it should run transparently with the new glue function.   D Congratulations.  You have just described the idea behind the API of, the Software Tools Virtual Operating System.  C Now, if people could just decide on a common set of needed routines C maybe we could take what was a good idea and turn it into a decent p/ implementation.  Even after all these years....p   bill   -- tJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:56:09 +0000s From: Jiri Hudak <hudak@osu.cz>r Subject: file managerb% Message-ID: <3D5CBE29.7080200@osu.cz>e  E Exist free file manager for OpenVMS72? (midnight commander or other).g
 Thank you. Jiri   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:31:46 +0100a( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: file managerd) Message-ID: <3D5CC682.963ED476@127.0.0.1>p   Jiri Hudak wrote:s > G > Exist free file manager for OpenVMS72? (midnight commander or other).: > Thank you.  F I don't know midnight commander, but perhaps look for SWING or CSWING,6 gives a tree like display of files. Also look for DFU.  F Go to the FAQ linked from http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ and this doesD have some pointers for freeware distributions (see also the freeware disks)..   -- a? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesl nclews at csc dot comb   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:04:29 -0400o; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>d Subject: Re: file manager $ Message-ID: <3d5d30a8$1@news.si.com>  F >Exist free file manager for OpenVMS72? (midnight commander or other).  I Um, what about SYS$SYSTEM:VUE$MASTER.EXE, if you're using DECwindows?  It ! should be your Applications menu.l --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comaA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comt= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventA< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:32:10 GMTl1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>e0 Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap- Message-ID: <eh679.42899$983.58105@rwcrnsc53>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D5C8FD2.1BC525E4@videotron.ca... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:e: > > > Really? Where does it say that HP/Q will continue toH > > > develop/produce/support Alpha machines until such time (if any) asL > > > commercially viable, ready-for-prime-time Enterprise-class IPF systems! > > > begin shipping in quantity?r > >lG > > Shucks, that seems to be implicit by now. Haven't heard much to therJ > > contrary, at least at user group meetings and customer briefings, etc. >o > It should read:o >i. > "Shucks, that seems to be implicit FOR now." > G > Development of Alpha well past EV8 was also implicit prior to June 25  2001, ) > with work begun for projects up to EV8.m >rH > As long as HP is on publicly announced financial targets, the level of worryeI > is lower. But if HP starts to lag behind predictions and Carly is under F > pressure to further do stuff Wall Street likes to hear (consolidate,K > eliminate, downsize, rightsize, cut costs, streamline etc), then all bets4 arec4 > off since Alpha is not a strategic product for HP.  J As long as it's bringing in money 'n margins, which it is doing now and isE all but certain (but then again, I'm no Wall Street Casino Analyst orlH Coin-Operated Market Research Firm) to continue to do for several years,K Alpha is a keeper. The Tru64 to HP-UX multiple-organ transplant won't occuroI overnite, nor will the fielding of VMS-capable IPF gear. Hence I maintainvJ that Alpha will be a strategic product for at least several years to come.  I That said, the aforementioned statement is not inconsistent with your FORa NOW assertion.  K And now for some food for thought. HPQ had some pretty impressive plans for-J Tru64. Availability would have approached that of NSK (process pairing andK mirroring, etc), lots of new reliability and scalability features, etc. The1# fate of these plans is now unknown.n  L But let's assume the day comes that HP-UX and the ongoing COE effort yield aH UNIX that offers complete feature and function parity with VMS. Your VMSJ apps run in the environment. End users don't notice any difference. Ditto,L more or less, for managers. This hypothetical day comes to pass right aroundJ the ~2006 timeframe of the post-Marvel, post-Superdome big-ass IPF server.L If these assumptions come to pass, does it really matter what the underlying OS is?  & Not a troll, just an idea to consider,   Best,r   terry sd   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:18:07 -0400y% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>g0 Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap/ Message-ID: <ulq2d0icvjl30e@news.supernews.com>o  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message' news:eh679.42899$983.58105@rwcrnsc53...m   [snip]  L > But let's assume the day comes that HP-UX and the ongoing COE effort yield aeJ > UNIX that offers complete feature and function parity with VMS. Your VMSL > apps run in the environment. End users don't notice any difference. Ditto,G > more or less, for managers. This hypothetical day comes to pass rightn aroundL > the ~2006 timeframe of the post-Marvel, post-Superdome big-ass IPF server.C > If these assumptions come to pass, does it really matter what the 
 underlying > OS is? >   L No, it wouldn't matter what the underlying OS is.  But it would be easier to) reach this nirvana if you start with VMS.j   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 11:11:24 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e0 Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap3 Message-ID: <3WBhrZ7tedje@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  a In article <eh679.42899$983.58105@rwcrnsc53>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:s  N > But let's assume the day comes that HP-UX and the ongoing COE effort yield aJ > UNIX that offers complete feature and function parity with VMS. Your VMS > apps run in the environment.  2 Including my device drivers and kernel mode code ?  @ A neat trick, but I agree with the poster who said starting from VMS would be easier.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:50:33 GMTFL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrappers8 Message-ID: <00A1283F.026E222D@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  \ In article <3D5C59B0.BC0021F2@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:+ >Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: N >> (Despite JF's unhappiness with the words "commitment" and "roadmap" I thinkP >> those are fine here; the CEOs didn't hear that stuff from Compaq, so the wellR >> isn't already poisoned for them, and they really do have to hear something that, >> says Alpha systems are still being made.) >a >oK >HP has said that Alpha is to be targetted at existing users. It is in thisbF >context that I see that advertising effort directed at existing AlphaJ >customers and those know very well the Compaq/HP meaning of "commitment". >aO >Remember that Sue has mentioned that this mailing with the special cover is to N >be a targetted mailing. One can assume that it would be sent to the installed3 >base and not a blind mailing to windows customers.o  C I don't think _Fortune_ has a list of the VMS customers among their-K subscribers.  If it's targeted it would be interesting to know in what way.p   -- AlanL    O ===============================================================================s0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056<M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210+O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:27:03 +0100,( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrappert) Message-ID: <3D5CC567.9EE4DA15@127.0.0.1>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > N > Just letting you know that there is a limited mailing taking place.  It is aM > Fortune magazine with an hp wrapper.  There is allot of verbiage but I wille> > write in the good stuff.  I am not sure of the distribution.  E I have read the criticisms here, yet I have to say this is good news,uC and the sort of thing VMS had been lacking. So, we're "sharing" the-F stage with a couple of unixen and some artistic license has been used,3 but *continued* efforts will always be appreciated.r  F I think it was mentioned here, and I have now seen the partner channelA presentation which shows that OpenVMS is the only OS to grow fromiF 01/2001 to 01/2002, is there a publicly available version of this, who" did the research more importantly?   -- s? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:33:04 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> % Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapperw, Message-ID: <3D5CD4D3.A584042F@videotron.ca>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:E > I don't think _Fortune_ has a list of the VMS customers among theireM > subscribers.  If it's targeted it would be interesting to know in what way.   L I strongly suspect that Digital/Compaq/Hp/whatever purchased  bulk copies ofQ Fortune with the special wrapper and is shipping it itself to the targetted list.6  M Now, if HP actually told Fortune to ship the specially wrapped issues to somebJ of the regular firtune subscribers who match a certain profile (eg: CEOs ,I exec VPs and other high level folks), then I would be impressed since thenK target would be outside the existing customer base. But I have no reason tosL expect that HP would want to expand VMS beyond the remaining installed base.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 05:26:58 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapperi3 Message-ID: <QAAYPhT0SqUK@eisner.encompasserve.org>o   In article <00A1283F.026E222D@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:   E > I don't think _Fortune_ has a list of the VMS customers among theirrM > subscribers.  If it's targeted it would be interesting to know in what way.s  B How about "companies with budget for computer stuff".  That sounds like a good criterion.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:22:07 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>c% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapperc8 Message-ID: <v0oplu40k5s7ec3ih0mrfa6en3o1rkd2ro@4ax.com>  @ On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:50:33 GMT, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU. ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote:   ><D >I don't think _Fortune_ has a list of the VMS customers among theirL >subscribers.  If it's targeted it would be interesting to know in what way.  C Normal subscribers to Forrtune magazine will receive it without the B wrapper. HP pay for a special run which they then send out. That's what normally happens.   >o >-- Alan >  >uP >===============================================================================1 > Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUaN > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056N > Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210P >===============================================================================   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:34:27 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>n% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapperb> Message-ID: <nj679.165108$uj.237049@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D5CD4D3.A584042F@videotron.ca..., > Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:G > > I don't think _Fortune_ has a list of the VMS customers among theirnJ > > subscribers.  If it's targeted it would be interesting to know in what way. >aK > I strongly suspect that Digital/Compaq/Hp/whatever purchased  bulk copies" ofC > Fortune with the special wrapper and is shipping it itself to thec targetted list.l >oJ > Now, if HP actually told Fortune to ship the specially wrapped issues to someL > of the regular firtune subscribers who match a certain profile (eg: CEOs ,K > exec VPs and other high level folks), then I would be impressed since thenJ > target would be outside the existing customer base. But I have no reason toH > expect that HP would want to expand VMS beyond the remaining installed base.:  L Based on HP's public statements to date, you should have no expectations forJ expansion! Time to send those cards and letters and suggestions to the Big> Dogs. Perhaps a new Encompass poll addressing this issue, too!   Best,t   Terry Sl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:43:22 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>a% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrappern* Message-ID: <ajivhu$af9$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Dear News Group,  K I just want to say something.  Maybe I just love VMS to much and I am happyoC when ever I see it in print (with the exception of large consultingsF companies who disregard any facts given them and use untruths to forceJ trends that they predict).  I put things I find about VMS in print here soD we can all share it.  I sure do not do it to make people upset and I apologize if that is the case.  
 Warm Regards,V Sue @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:ajgsvn$hsp$1@web1.cup.hp.com...L > Just letting you know that there is a limited mailing taking place.  It is apH > Fortune magazine with an hp wrapper.  There is allot of verbiage but I will> > write in the good stuff.  I am not sure of the distribution. > sue  >  >eF > Outside Cover is a picture of a pretty woman and underneath it says. >tA > "The new hp: total committed to hp AlphaServer systems and you.n >a > Turn the pagef5 > blue box that simply has ROI (return on investment)n > Paragraph  > ParagraphgC > Right now, we're extending business value further with enterprise 	 solutionstE > based on the Compaq AlphaServer systems - now called HP AlphaServer, systems.K > The time tested systems - running HP Tru64 UNIX, HP OpenVMS and Linux arecG > designed to address your most business-critical requirements, brining J > lasting values to areas such as cost-effective and pervasive management,B > continuous and secure operation of you IT investments, efficient utilizationr& > of your IT resources and lowest TCO. > A > Our roadmaps remain unchanged with a continued commitment to HPe AlphaServeraD > systems through a smote evolution to the Itanium processor family, enablingI > you to protect your investments and transition when it's right for you.t YoutK > can rest assured that the solutions we deliver and support will always benJ > designed to help you gain a competitive advantage through reduced costs,D > simplified operation, reduced risk and faster reaction to business > opportunities. >e > closing paragraphi > 3 > Improving your ROI so you can remain competitive.  >r >r >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:24:58 -0400p% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>t% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapperd/ Message-ID: <ulq2pqqbtduk5f@news.supernews.com>a  H ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>C wrote in message news:00A1283F.026E222D@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU... 7 > In article <3D5C59B0.BC0021F2@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeit& <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:- > >Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:bJ > >> (Despite JF's unhappiness with the words "commitment" and "roadmap" I thinkaI > >> those are fine here; the CEOs didn't hear that stuff from Compaq, soo the wellE > >> isn't already poisoned for them, and they really do have to heari something that. > >> says Alpha systems are still being made.) > >e > > H > >HP has said that Alpha is to be targetted at existing users. It is in thisH > >context that I see that advertising effort directed at existing AlphaL > >customers and those know very well the Compaq/HP meaning of "commitment". > >eK > >Remember that Sue has mentioned that this mailing with the special cover- is tomF > >be a targetted mailing. One can assume that it would be sent to the	 installedt5 > >base and not a blind mailing to windows customers.e >yE > I don't think _Fortune_ has a list of the VMS customers among their-H > subscribers.  If it's targeted it would be interesting to know in what way.  H It appears that HP has started sending Fortune to it's target customers.J There are at least two of us here receiving it and we've never subscribed.E There was a letter from HP explaining the subscription when it began.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:29:47 -0400l% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>4% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper / Message-ID: <ulq32si3cr2qac@news.supernews.com>g  @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:ajivhu$af9$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > Dear News Group, >kG > I just want to say something.  Maybe I just love VMS to much and I am/ happyeE > when ever I see it in print (with the exception of large consultinguH > companies who disregard any facts given them and use untruths to forceL > trends that they predict).  I put things I find about VMS in print here soF > we can all share it.  I sure do not do it to make people upset and I  > apologize if that is the case. >o  F Sue, thanks for all your postings in cov.  Don't get discouraged, some, people will complain no matter what HP does.   > Warm Regards,e > SuehB > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message& > news:ajgsvn$hsp$1@web1.cup.hp.com...K > > Just letting you know that there is a limited mailing taking place.  It. is > atJ > > Fortune magazine with an hp wrapper.  There is allot of verbiage but I > will@ > > write in the good stuff.  I am not sure of the distribution. > > sue  > >  > >aH > > Outside Cover is a picture of a pretty woman and underneath it says.     Is this you?     > >-C > > "The new hp: total committed to hp AlphaServer systems and you.o > >e > > Turn the pagem7 > > blue box that simply has ROI (return on investment)s
 > > Paragraph4
 > > Paragraphr  - Good summarization of the marketing material!o   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 11:12:55 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper 3 Message-ID: <7zVGLZfvKbul@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  b In article <ajivhu$af9$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes: > Dear News Group, > M > I just want to say something.  Maybe I just love VMS to much and I am happyhE > when ever I see it in print (with the exception of large consultingsH > companies who disregard any facts given them and use untruths to forceL > trends that they predict).  I put things I find about VMS in print here soF > we can all share it.  I sure do not do it to make people upset and I  > apologize if that is the case.  ) You overestimate your own influence, Sue.s  < You did not make those people upset -- they were born upset.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2002 17:32:54 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapperl6 Message-ID: <ajjd06$1c8dnd$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   > J > It appears that HP has started sending Fortune to it's target customers.L > There are at least two of us here receiving it and we've never subscribed.G > There was a letter from HP explaining the subscription when it began., >   D Well, I started receiving it, un-requested, about 6 months or so agoA although I can't imagine why HP (or anyone for that matter) wouldID think I was in that catagory.  Just for general information, I throwE it away, usually unread. I have always and still rely on the WSJ whennE I want serious business news.  But that has been much less of late asuD I am no longer out in the business world and the state of that worldE has little if any effect on the small academic universe I find myselfl	 in today.r   bill   -- sJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 08:28:58 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org' Subject: Re: FTP> get *.* does not work03 Message-ID: <iNB1G0f+DXJV@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  f In article <3D5C0EF4.69532359@clarityconnect.com>, "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes:@ > Have you tried using mget with the appropriate prompt setting?   *grumble* Top poster *grumble* [attributions lost]8N >> and the Macintosh MS Personal Web server FTP feature does not support NLST.  E You're not going to work around the lack of NLST support by prompting ? for confirmation on every file in a non-existent list of files.s  > The NLST command is what a standard FTP client uses to ask theC server generate a list of file names that can be transferred in theN context of an mget operation.   ? If you can't get the list, you can't get any files on the list.n   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:26:04 +0200e9 From: "Bernard Giroud" <bernard.giroud@creditlyonnais.fr>m# Subject: Getting Telnet target portb2 Message-ID: <3d5ca98b$0$486$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Hi all,t  8 I now (thanks to Didier Morandi and John Gemignani, Jr.)7 have an application which does a telnet on a port other 6 than the standard (i.e. 30000 or 30001). I need to get8 that port (target for the client) in a DCL proc, ideally from a program.m  > Any better ideas than looking thru a netstat from a temp file? I.e. sockets calls?S   Bernard Giroud  Credit Lyonnais (Switzerland) SA   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:11:14 +0200<$ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at>( Subject: Re: HTML to plain text or .PDF?0 Message-ID: <ajic33$6ml$1@newsreader1.netway.at>  / "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote J > How would you transform a 1500 pages HTML document made of more than 700 htmlG > files to plain text (Word or whatever) or PDF? Can Acrobat read HTML?n  C Check http://www.easysw.com/htmldoc/, this will convert html to PDF    Peter.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:22:19 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>rI Subject: Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?.8 Message-ID: <m1oplucfeo01equpf8gialtg1cllr304la@4ax.com>  3 On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:33:55 -0700, "Jason Winters"o! <jwinter@u.washington.edu> wrote:>  = >I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?a  
 See a doctor?o   >e   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:59:10 GMTy. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)I Subject: Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?H5 Message-ID: <iO579.185844$cU1.5830930@news.chello.at>e  ` In article <m1oplucfeo01equpf8gialtg1cllr304la@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:V >On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:33:55 -0700, "Jason Winters" <jwinter@u.washington.edu> wrote: >h> >>I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions? >  >See a doctor?   Dr. Watson ?   -- i Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERa% Network and OpenVMS system specialistw E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:48:40 +0100=% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>=I Subject: Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?.8 Message-ID: <13tplu0l19h0micvkg8hk649pb6gu3niuu@4ax.com>  = On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:59:10 GMT, peter@langstoeger.at (PeterA LANGSTOEGER) wrote:,  a >In article <m1oplucfeo01equpf8gialtg1cllr304la@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:=W >>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:33:55 -0700, "Jason Winters" <jwinter@u.washington.edu> wrote:  >>? >>>I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?p >> >>See a doctor?5 >6
 >Dr. Watson ?0  
 I presume! -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:16:00 -0600p6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>I Subject: Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?t2 Message-ID: <lW679.612$Tj3.458846@news.uswest.net>  L First - wrong NG.  Second, check http://www.microsoft.com and search for it.  
 Mike Ober.  ; "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messagee/ news:iO579.185844$cU1.5830930@news.chello.at... E > In article <m1oplucfeo01equpf8gialtg1cllr304la@4ax.com>, Alan Greiga <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:6 > >On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:33:55 -0700, "Jason Winters"! <jwinter@u.washington.edu> wrote:/ > > @ > >>I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions? > >r > >See a doctor? >s > Dr. Watson ? >s > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERr' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist- > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atK > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMSo Job(s)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:06:42 +0100o% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>mI Subject: Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?m8 Message-ID: <sc1qluk1r7k5o7p4j1op3ljvnl6249nnpl@4ax.com>  5 On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:16:00 -0600, "Michael D. Ober"a% <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote:   M >First - wrong NG.  Second, check http://www.microsoft.com and search for it.   ? If we want to give real advice then the problem is explained ate$ http://www.microsoft.com/java/xp.htm  E Roughly it says "wait for service pack 1". If you need it now you arecF probably better off getting Sun's version anway. Go to www.sun.com and" it's the link at the bottom right,   >Mike Ober.  > < >"Peter LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message0 >news:iO579.185844$cU1.5830930@news.chello.at...F >> In article <m1oplucfeo01equpf8gialtg1cllr304la@4ax.com>, Alan Greig ><a.greig@virgin.net> writes:s7 >> >On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:33:55 -0700, "Jason Winters"A" ><jwinter@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> >A >> >>I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?. >> > >> >See a doctor?W >> >> Dr. Watson ?m >> >> --r >> Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER( >> Network and OpenVMS system specialist >> E-mail  peter@langstoeger.at L >> A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS >Job(s)g >f   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:17:54 -0400-; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>gI Subject: Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions? $ Message-ID: <3d5d33cc$1@news.si.com>  = >I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?N   How about "buy one"? -- RA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comsA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 10:36:13 -0700$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho)< Subject: Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95= Message-ID: <d0141774.0208160936.408bdae4@posting.google.com>r  % Thanks, David, I couldn't agree more.m  F Problem occured in a *VERY* important production environment. DowntimeD cannot be tolerated and version upgrades of core packages are not an$ option without a *VERY* good reason.  ' Just as well I didn't recommend it, eh?4  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D5BE487.93548366@fsi.net>... > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:j > >  > > issinoho wrote:tJ > >  > OK Folks, this one is really killing me; I've seen similar posts on$ > >  > this but nothing which works. > >  >J > >  > Situation... AlphaServer 1000 running VMS 7.1, Pathworks 5.0f & UCXH > >  > 4.1 LaserJet cabled to a DECserver 300, mapped to an LTA port andE > >  > spooled through a queue. Queue shared through Pathworks. ShareiC > >  > connected to on Win95 box (native networking components) andt" > >  > everything works just fine. > > K > > I would recommend upgrading your environment to the supported versions.t > I > Y'know, maybe I'm just in a pissy mood today, but I am *REALLY* gettingm > tired of reading that. > J > If upgrading were an option, I'm willing to bet that the option would be > exercised. > I > Folks are "stuck" at various versions of VMS and layered products for ae > reason. Get over it. > C > I understand HP/Q's needs in this area. However, HP/Q needs to becF > sensitive to the customers' needs and not view them as oppotunity to > "wring blood from the stone".  > J > Hint: try asking it as a question: "Is it possible for you to upgrade toB > a more recent version of (x)?" instead of stating it like it's aE > prerequisite of some kind. For many, it simply is not an option ands > never will be. > I > Apologies to John and the group - I'm just not in the mood to hold backc > today.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:44:58 +0000 (UTC)u% From: John Forkosh <john@invalid.com>i) Subject: keypad emulation in xterm windowt, Message-ID: <ajiahq$60c$2@reader2.panix.com>  ( I'm telnetting to a VS from a linux box.( When I telnet directly from a shell, the) keypad emulation works real well -- I can & edit using edt with very few problems.+      But if I startx, open an xterm window,m+ and telnet from there, the keypad emulatione& fails completely.  I guess I need some- appropriate KP_xxx definitions in .Xdefaults,i* but I don't know which ones.  Anybody have' a list of them I can cut-and-paste intoi' my .Xdefaults?  (Or is there maybe some  other problem?)  Thanks. -- n> John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2002 10:10:26 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>p- Subject: Re: keypad emulation in xterm windowp* Message-ID: <ajij2i$rls$1@news1.Radix.Net>  & John Forkosh <john@invalid.com> wrote:* > I'm telnetting to a VS from a linux box.* > When I telnet directly from a shell, the+ > keypad emulation works real well -- I can ( > edit using edt with very few problems.- >      But if I startx, open an xterm window,p- > and telnet from there, the keypad emulationr( > fails completely.  I guess I need some/ > appropriate KP_xxx definitions in .Xdefaults,c, > but I don't know which ones.  Anybody have) > a list of them I can cut-and-paste intoe) > my .Xdefaults?  (Or is there maybe somec > other problem?)  Thanks.  9 The XFree86 xterm supports ANSI color and VT220 emulatione There's an faq aty1 	http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.htmle! 	ftp://invisible-island.net/xtermo   -- u= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>  http://dickey.his.comh ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:33:19 +0000 (UTC) % From: John Forkosh <john@invalid.com>e- Subject: Re: keypad emulation in xterm windowi, Message-ID: <ajintv$901$1@reader2.panix.com>  0 Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> wrote:( : John Forkosh <john@invalid.com> wrote:, : > I'm telnetting to a VS from a linux box., : > When I telnet directly from a shell, the- : > keypad emulation works real well -- I cans* : > edit using edt with very few problems./ : >      But if I startx, open an xterm window,t/ : > and telnet from there, the keypad emulation:* : > fails completely.  I guess I need some1 : > appropriate KP_xxx definitions in .Xdefaults,J. : > but I don't know which ones.  Anybody have+ : > a list of them I can cut-and-paste intoe+ : > my .Xdefaults?  (Or is there maybe someo : > other problem?)  Thanks.  ; : The XFree86 xterm supports ANSI color and VT220 emulation  : There's an faq ato3 : 	http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html # : 	ftp://invisible-island.net/xtermn  > Thanks, Thomas.  I haven't had a chance to use the information9 yet, but it sure contains what seems to be exactly what Iu$ was looking for (and more, besides). --  > John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:30:44 -0400R; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>c- Subject: Re: keypad emulation in xterm windowO$ Message-ID: <3d5d36ce$1@news.si.com>  ) >I'm telnetting to a VS from a linux box.l) >When I telnet directly from a shell, theh* >keypad emulation works real well -- I can' >edit using edt with very few problems.a, >     But if I startx, open an xterm window,, >and telnet from there, the keypad emulation >fails completely.  K Why not open a DECterm window on your linux screen?  You seem to be runningr. an X server.  So, use rsh or rexec to execute:  0 $ set display/create/transport=tcpip/node=yourip $ create/terminal/detach  $ At any rate, my .Xdefaults contains:  ) XTerm*vt100.translations:       #overrideR1     ~Ctrl~Meta<Btn2Down>:       start-extend()\n\c2     ~Ctrl~Meta<Btn2Motion>:     select-extend()\n\+     ~Ctrl~Meta<Btn3Down>:       ignore()\n\eH     ~Ctrl~Meta<Btn3Up>:         insert-selection(PRIMARY,CUT_BUFFER0)\n\C     ~Ctrl~Meta<BtnUp>:          select-end(PRIMARY,CUT_BUFFER0) \n\ #    <Key>L6:select-set(CLIPBOARD)\n\ )    <Key>L8:insert-selection(CLIPBOARD)\n\ %    !Shift <Key>R1:      keymap(vt100)u  ) XTerm*vt100Keymap.translations: #overridei+    <Key>R4:             string("\033OP")\n\h+    <Key>R5:             string("\033OQ")\n\ +    <Key>R6:             string("\033OR")\n\ =    <Key>F3:                     string(0x1B) string("OA") \n\n=    <Key>F4:                     string(0x1B) string("OB") \n\t=    <Key>F5:                     string(0x1B) string("OD") \n\ =    <Key>F6:                     string(0x1B) string("OC") \n\$3    <Key>KP_Subtract:            string("\033OS")\n\h*    Shift<Key>KP_2:      string("\033B")\n\*    Shift<Key>KP_4:      string("\033D")\n\*    Shift<Key>KP_6:      string("\033C")\n\*    Shift<Key>KP_8:      string("\033A")\n\+    <Key>KP_0:           string("\033Op")\n\ +    <Key>KP_1:           string("\033Oq")\n\ +    <Key>KP_2:           string("\033Or")\n\t+    <Key>KP_3:           string("\033Os")\n\m+    <Key>KP_4:           string("\033Ot")\n\ +    <Key>KP_5:           string("\033Ou")\n\p+    <Key>KP_6:           string("\033Ov")\n\r+    <Key>KP_7:           string("\033Ow")\n\ +    <Key>KP_8:           string("\033Ox")\n\-+    <Key>KP_9:           string("\033Oy")\n\6+    <Key>KP_Decimal:     string("\033On")\n\l+    <Key>KP_Add:         string("\033Ol")\n\ +    <Key>R2:             string("\033Om")\n\e+    <Key>KP_Enter:       string("\033OM")\n\p$    !Shift <Key>R1:      keymap(None)   --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.commA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevento< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 09:45:05 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>" Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup5 Message-ID: <20020816094505.5901.qmail@nym.alias.net>e  F On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> wrote:   <snip>  A >People either don't know or don't care how many legitimate emailrE >messages their anti-virus software swallows.  Software they wouldn'tcD >even need to run if they hadn't chosen Microsoft-based products for >reading mail. > 9 >How many times does P.T. Barnum have to be proven right?n  I Millions. I tried to get a more accurate answer, but the M$ site was moreeF interested in trying to feed me cookies than tell me how many licenses they've issued.      Doc. -- t6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netu   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:20:29 GMTs1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>e" Subject: Re: KLEZ DU JOUR followup? Message-ID: <h6679.139059$sA3.225828@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>o   > C > >People either don't know or don't care how many legitimate emailiG > >messages their anti-virus software swallows.  Software they wouldn't F > >even need to run if they hadn't chosen Microsoft-based products for > >reading mail. > >|; > >How many times does P.T. Barnum have to be proven right?. > K > Millions. I tried to get a more accurate answer, but the M$ site was moremH > interested in trying to feed me cookies than tell me how many licenses > they've issued.J >i >r > Doc.   Hi Doc,s  C Must be that you have private insurance. I am in an HMO, so all the F Microsoft physicians ever "feed" me are suppositories. They seem to be' pretty adept with this Rx, I might add.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:47:44 -0400l; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>gI Subject: Re: Licenses (was Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha]...))n$ Message-ID: <3d5d2cba$1@news.si.com>  E >Well, I've found prices, but here's a little example of why everyonetG >in the world isn't/hasn't jumped on the VMS bandwagon. I have a client E >with a small Alpha (DEC 2000/300) who has kept his hardware/softwaregC >agreement current. He wants to add 2 interactive users, 3 Advanced-+ >Server users, and TCP/IP TELNET & FTP now.0
 ...snip.../ >  QL-0M2AE-AA  TCP/IP Client license. $1750.00m  I Chances are, this last license is unnecessary, since TCP/IP licenses havenE been bundled with most Alphas for some time now.  He should check hism shipping memo. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comrA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.coml= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 11:17:31 +0200a From: holitska_a@removehomo-togetvalide-mailhomo-ludens.elte.hu (Holi - Holitska Andrs)D' Subject: Monitor record format question ! Message-ID: <ieOWx8zCzrcQ@ludens>e   Hello,  8   I've got a little problem with MONITOR Record Formats.8   According to documentation, the RMS File Record format   is as follows:     1 byte:          Record Type2   up to 256 bytes: Filename (counted ASCII string)      ...2   up to 256 bytes: Filename (counted ASCII string)  4   And the description is: "The RMS file record has a6   record type of 131 and a variable size, that depends7   on the number of RMS files and the length of the filec   name string."1  5   Now, I understand, how I'm supposed to find out how 9   long a filename is, but I don't know how many filenamesn   I've got.c     Any suggestions?   Regards, -- oH Holitska, Andras         holitska_a ludens elte hu        junior managerG  ......................................................................eG  VMS Competence Center                            VMS Szakertoi KozpontaG  Eotvos Lorand University                 Eotvos Lorand Tudomanyegyetem G  Budapest, Hungary                                             BudapestgG  ======================================================================t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:16:09 -0500s7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> + Subject: Re: Monitor record format question G Message-ID: <craigberry-AED0B2.09160916082002@news.directvinternet.com>0  ! In article <ieOWx8zCzrcQ@ludens>,oD  holitska_a@removehomo-togetvalide-mailhomo-ludens.elte.hu    (Holi - Holitska Andrs) wrote:    >   1 byte:          Record Type4 >   up to 256 bytes: Filename (counted ASCII string)  7 >   Now, I understand, how I'm supposed to find out how1; >   long a filename is, but I don't know how many filenames5
 >   I've got.@  D A "counted ASCII string" has the length in the first byte so you'll G know how long each filename is when you come to it and when you get to == the end of the record then you'll know there aren't any more.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:40:40 -0500 $ From: "Art Beane" <beane@petris.com>+ Subject: OpenVMS Comes to Itanium - Houstonl7 Message-ID: <003101c24532$e4b00f20$342810ac@petris.com>   G Considering the mega-downpour, half the registered attendees showing up>C yesterday was pretty impressive. The presenters definitely gave thetF impression that HP wants new OpenVMS customers and that OpenVMS is THE, secure, high availability solution from HP.   G There was a "hardware" giveaway for each attendee: an HP Invent OpenVMSrE mug with a "you'd be nuts not to buy a cluster" box inside. And, yes,  there was a turtle in the box.  F Oracle had a good 9iRAC cluster demo and there was a good demo of cswsG with advanced server and integration with Windows. To me the demos wereoH closer to real life capabilities than marketing fluff, except that there9 were no really technical folks there to answer questions.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:22:02 +0100s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>-H Subject: Re: Oracle 9i rel 2 restricted to EV56 or later chips - why ???8 Message-ID: <n0opluol0440sbmabb6mv6mkvo5kmv0j7o@4ax.com>  B On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:31:10 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:   >eO >If I can't get Oracle 9i running on these systems which are used for teaching kK >Oracle then with the decommisioning of these systems that will be that foraJ >VMS at the University. I won't be able to pursuade anybody to buy new VMS3 >systems. All the new admin systems are Unix based.   A Congratulations on keeping VMS in use for teaching databases thisaE long. When DEC sold RDB to Oracle my previous employer (University ofe@ Abertay Dundee) had to drop teaching SQL with RDB because of theD ridiculous amount of money Oracle wanted. Previously we had it under
 DECCampus.  5 That was the first major nail in the VMS coffin theret   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:43:31 GMTr+ From: "Steinar Botten" <sbo@satcom.nera.no>.3 Subject: Reading a backup set from a ISO-9660 disk?>3 Message-ID: <7k779.439$67l.179105792@news.telia.no>   I Is it possible to make BACKUP read a backup set directly from an ISO-9660oD CD, or won't this work because of the special attributes that BACKUP expects?B In other words, must backup sets be placed on a ODS2 formatted CD?   Regardsi Steinarm   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 11:21:35 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)f7 Subject: Re: Reading a backup set from a ISO-9660 disk?r3 Message-ID: <GhH$DcW9yBj9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <7k779.439$67l.179105792@news.telia.no>, "Steinar Botten" <sbo@satcom.nera.no> writes:sK > Is it possible to make BACKUP read a backup set directly from an ISO-9660fF > CD, or won't this work because of the special attributes that BACKUP
 > expects?  = 	$ MOUNT DKA400:/OVERRIDE=IDENTIFICATION/MEDIA_FORMAT=CDROM -s! 			/UNDEFINED_FAT=FIXED:NONE:9216a  C (presuming the default block size was used to create the save set).t  E The second line is not necessary if you have constructed the ISO-9660 : disk just right, but I know of no public tools to do that.  G More recent versions of VMS allow you to omit the /MEDIA_FORMAT=CDROM .s  D > In other words, must backup sets be placed on a ODS2 formatted CD?  D The only circumstances I know of where ODS-2 absolutely must be used are:   	Alpha VMS prior to V6.1 	VAX VMS prior to V6.2 	You need to boot from the discn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:21:59 +0100s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>tK Subject: Re: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3?v8 Message-ID: <g0opluo4p54kjflu0vs7sd8vsanih1bhsv@4ax.com>  1 On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:03:35 -0700, Mark Berrymanr# <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> wrote:t    B >OpenVMS emulates any instructions it uses on any of its supportedH >platforms that don't natively have that instruction.  So, while you mayF >impact performance, you will not build an image that you won't run on
 >some alphas.E  D Unless you are Oracle of course. Then you will go out of your way to
 do just this.r   >P >Mark Berryman   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 07:27:45 -07002 From: vankirk@decision.quest.gr (Stewart Van Kirk)I Subject: REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION - DECCXX 6.5 UNREACHABLE CODE WARNINGSb< Message-ID: <8843e43.0208160627.2a5748a8@posting.google.com>  C The DECCXX 6.5-004 compiler on OpenVMS 7.3 is confusing me with itsgB warning messages about unreachable code.  I do not know whether to take them seriously or not.S  ? The following code illustrates that compiled one way, I get twos@ unreachable code warnings and if I slightly modify the code [notF changing the operational meaning] in three (probably more) other ways,F I do not get the warnings.  In fact, two of the three "other ways" areC functionally-isomorphic to the code that produces the warnings.  IsiF there a substantive problem here, or is the compiler just a little too smart?   The compiler output:B ------------------------------------------------------------------  + $cxx mango.cxx/define=Bad      ! no problem-& $cxx mango.cxx/define=Ugly     ! ditto" $cxx mango.cxx/define=Good     ! "% $cxx mango.cxx                 ! oops            x = 0;	 ........^x; %CXX-W-CODCAUUNR, statement either is unreachable or causes  unreachableg           code3 at line number 53 in file DKA100:[FRUIT]MANGO.CXX;1            x = 1;	 ........^e; %CXX-W-CODCAUUNR, statement either is unreachable or causest unreachable            code3 at line number 55 in file DKA100:[FRUIT]MANGO.CXX;1   B ------------------------------------------------------------------	 The code:lB ------------------------------------------------------------------ #include <iostream.h>    template <class T> class Mangos {  public:r   Mango(char *nt_str);  
 #ifdef BAD=   inline static istream& input_str(istream& is, Mango<T>& s);- #else-6   static istream& input_str(istream& is, Mango<T>& s); #endif  8   friend istream& operator>>(istream& is, Mango<T>& s) {     return input_str(is, s);   }i  
 protected:   T value_;  };   template <class T>+ Mango<T>::Mango(char *str) { *this = str; }    template <class T>7 istream&  Mango<T>::input_str(istream& is, Mango<T>& s)r {r   int x = 0;   if (!is.eof()) {     if (is.peek() == '"') {        int i;       char tmpchar = is.get(); #ifdef UGLYf       for (i=0;yF 	   i < sizeof(T) && (tmpchar = is.get()) != EOF && '\n' != tmpchar && '"' != tmpchar
 	   ; i++) 	s.value_[i] = tmpchar;w #elseo%       for (i=0 ; i<sizeof(T) ; i++) {c 	tmpchar = is.get();) 	if (tmpchar == EOF || tmpchar == '\n' ||c 	    tmpchar == '"') break;  	s.value_[i] = tmpchar;r       }o #endif     }m
     else { #ifdef GOODa"       x = sizeof (T) <= 1 ? 0 : 1; #elsem       if (sizeof(T) <= 1)e 	x = 0;e
       else 	x = 1;m #endif     }i   }r   return is; }@  ( #pragma define_template Mango<char[ 1 ]>( #pragma define_template Mango<char[ 2 ]>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:19:29 +0200r9 From: "Bernard Giroud" <bernard.giroud@creditlyonnais.fr>x3 Subject: Re: TCPIP TELNET service on alternate port.2 Message-ID: <3d5ca7ff$0$462$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Hi all,n   Following my previous message:  K "Bernard Giroud" <bernard.giroud@creditlyonnais.fr> a crit dans le message - news: 3d5a043f$0$476$626a54ce@news.free.fr...e	 > Hi all,s > G > Is it possible to define a HP stack TCPIP TELNET service listening ona > alternatew< > ports (say 30000 and 30001) on top of traditional port 23? >oK > I tried something like "set service mytelnet/port=30000/prot=tcp ..." butl > the E > syntax of the command needs the keywords /user, /file. If I specifycH > /file=sys$system:tcpip$telnet.exe, it still starts the login procedure$ > of the user (in this case SYSTEM). >r > Any ideas? >o > Bernard Giroud" > Credit Lyonnais (Switzerland) SA >/ >i  C I'd like to tell many thanks to those who answered, and yes, nobodyt@ convinced us to migrate away (until now): OVMS is still the best choice for critical business.    These are my findings:8 1) /flag=TCPIP as Didier suggested, does not work in our8 environnment. I didn't have time to check why: I suspect9 a special symbol set in the TCPIP config proc to slightly1$ alter the behavior of some keywords.  7 2) John's suggestion worked fine for the first service; 9 but I had to changes both /process="N/A" to differentiate. the two services.t  : 3) All in all, I combined the two suggestion to arrive at:&         TCPIP> SET SERVICE telnetrvt -@                 /FILE=SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$REMOTE_TTY_STARTUP.COM -&                 /FLAGS=(LISTEN,RTTY) -+                 /PORT=30000 /PROTOCOL=TCP - ,                 /PROCESS_NAME="TelnetRVTd" -#                 /USER_NAME=SYSTEM - H                 /inact=1/limit=50/socket=(keep,receive:3000,send:3000) -  ? /log=(activ,noaddr,deact,conn,error,login,logout,modify,reject)            SET SERVICE telnetrvi -n@                 /FILE=SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$REMOTE_TTY_STARTUP.COM -&                 /FLAGS=(LISTEN,RTTY) -+                 /PORT=30001 /PROTOCOL=TCP -\,                 /PROCESS_NAME="TelnetRVId" -#                 /USER_NAME=SYSTEM -eH                 /inact=1/limit=50/socket=(keep,receive:3000,send:3000) -  ? /log=(activ,noaddr,deact,conn,error,login,logout,modify,reject)n   Bernard Giroud  Credit Lyonnais (Switzerland) SA   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:46:14 -0400r6 From: Dan Barowy <dbarowy@n-o-s-p-a-m__acad.umass.edu>% Subject: total VMS newbie - pointers? 8 Message-ID: <3D5D1036.60802@n-o-s-p-a-m__acad.umass.edu>  G Hi, a VAXstation 4000/60 just landed in my hands, and I'd like to play  G with it, but I know virtually nothing about VMS.  I am a bit of a *NIX  H weenie (not trying to start a flame war), but I'm intrigued by OpenVMS. )   Problem is I don't know where to start.   G With the 4000/60 came an odd monitor cable (D style mini BNC to 3BNC),  D and I have yet to get my hands on an adaptor or BNC monitor.  Is it B possible to access this machine in via serial/terminal connection?  C When powered on, everything seems to spin up and it sounds OK, but " beyond that I have no idea...   D I also do not have a keyboard or mouse.  Seems like I'm able to get & those on eBay, though, if I need them.  E Anyway, if any of you have any helpful pointers/links/suggestions, I  B would be much appreciative.  Oh... also, I think I qualify for an G academic license of OpenVMS, but it doesn't appear as if my University  D (UMass Amherst) is enrolled in this program.  I'm assuming there is E already some kind of software on this machine, but I may be mistaken.i  C Which reminds me... there is only BNC ethernet on this machine; no fE floppy, CD, or any other kind of removable media peripheral on here. eH Assuming that I *do* need an OS, how would I go about getting it on the E machine?  On *NIX, you can usually do a net install, but you have to i start with a floppy at least.   7 Sorry, many questions!  Thanks for tolerating a newbie!    Dan    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:58:50 +0000 (UTC)6% From: John Forkosh <john@invalid.com>h) Subject: Re: total VMS newbie - pointers?j, Message-ID: <ajjb0a$er8$1@reader2.panix.com>  7 Dan Barowy <dbarowy@n-o-s-p-a-m__acad.umass.edu> wrote:2I : Hi, a VAXstation 4000/60 just landed in my hands, and I'd like to play  I : with it, but I know virtually nothing about VMS.  I am a bit of a *NIX  J : weenie (not trying to start a flame war), but I'm intrigued by OpenVMS. + :   Problem is I don't know where to start.f  5 This ng is a good place.  I can give you a few hints,h but it'll be a long row to hoe.o  I : With the 4000/60 came an odd monitor cable (D style mini BNC to 3BNC), tF : and I have yet to get my hands on an adaptor or BNC monitor.  Is it D : possible to access this machine in via serial/terminal connection?  ? Yes, that's how I use mine.  Look at the front, bottom right oft@ the machine.  Pull down the little door and see the switches and< lights.  There are two small up/down toggles.  The right oneA (actually near the middle) is labelled S3.  It's probably down -- @ push it up.  That will tell the machine to use a serial console.  < Now look at the back, middle bottom of the machine.  There's7 a rj45-looking connection.  It's actually called an mmj 8 (modified modular jack, and I think it maybe has an rj12; designation).  That's where to plug in your serial console.m9      If you get, say, a vt420 off ebay, it'll have an mmj = connection also.  Now all you need is an mmj cable -- too bade6 those are rarer than chicken teeth.  Maybe someone can4 follow up with a source.  By the way, there are also6 mmj-db25 and mmj-db9 adapters (both also rare), so you6 can use any serial console or even a terminal emulator running on a pc.5      Anyway, when you have all that, set the terminal 4 to 9600 baud (xmit and receive), and everything else typical.  E : When powered on, everything seems to spin up and it sounds OK, but n : beyond that I have no idea...R  6 The lights behind that front bottom right panel should7 blink as the machine goes through its "post".  With thev7 terminal plugged in as above, it should display a wholen lot of stuff, too.<      When it's done, it'll either try booting automatically,8 or display a >> prompt.  Enter ? at the prompt for help.7 Enter b to boot.  Press the F5 key (on a real terminal)v) to interrupt the boot and get the prompt.P  F : I also do not have a keyboard or mouse.  Seems like I'm able to get ( : those on eBay, though, if I need them.  9 Not needed for serial terminal (well, you need a keyboardw plugged into the terminal).   G : Anyway, if any of you have any helpful pointers/links/suggestions, I  D : would be much appreciative.  Oh... also, I think I qualify for an I : academic license of OpenVMS, but it doesn't appear as if my University sF : (UMass Amherst) is enrolled in this program.  I'm assuming there is G : already some kind of software on this machine, but I may be mistaken.    Hard to say.  Check out-&      http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/? You can get a free hobbyist license for vms, regardless of yours3 academic status (montagar will point you to decus).r6 Hopefully, vms is already installed on your hard disk, though that's 50/50 at best.  E : Which reminds me... there is only BNC ethernet on this machine; no  G : floppy, CD, or any other kind of removable media peripheral on here.  J : Assuming that I *do* need an OS, how would I go about getting it on the G : machine?  On *NIX, you can usually do a net install, but you have to T : start with a floppy at least.d  ? You can plug a compatible CD into the external scsi port on theR: back left of the machine.  Compatible cd's support reading7 512 byte blocks, and there's a list of them somewheres.o6 Then, once you have a free/associate decus membership,8 montagar will (soon) sell you a $30 cd with vms and many< other goodies, and they'll issue you free hobbyist licenses.9 There's a nice "quickstart" guide for installing vms from. that cd on the montagar site.e  > If vms is already installed, you probably still need licenses.< And if tcp is installed you can use that bnc ethernet to set7 up telnet, ftp, etc on a 10base2 lan.  I typically have = an xterm window on my linux box telnetted into my vaxstation.= Works real well.  ; Note: the above just scratches the surface of what you need,9 to learn and to do.  VMS is indeed nice, and indeed worthb8 the effort, but make no mistake that you'd better really  want to spend the necesary time. -- -> John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:34:24 -0400o From: norm.raphael@metso.com- Subject: Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimergec? Message-ID: <OF1A6821DF.D4D7C220-ON85256C17.0044E4D7@metso.com>   H IIRC, Rob discussed this earlier.  V7.2* must coexist in a cluster with, amonguH other versions V6.2*.  This and the resources allocated to the IA64 port and thetB tremendous amount of work involved and requalification issues make backportingo6 a no go for the forseeable future and probably beyond.G Rob, of course, can speak to this himself, if he's not too tired of the  subject ;) .        @ "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> on 08/15/2002 04:58:13 PM  8 Please respond to "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: 0 Subject:    Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge    C Any chance of this getting into 7.2-2?  Would be nice for our site.e   Thanks,  Jim  < "Rob Brooks" <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message' news:PIcMvRfWLYQo@cuebid.zko.dec.com...u  > norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > >"/ > > Is the TIMA for FC Minimerge part of V7.3-1r3 > > or is that later (and of course, if later, when 4 > > (which I do not expect is known, but might be))?	 > > -Norma >oC > The plan (always subject to change) is to provide HSG80 minimerge E > via an ECO kit for V7.3-1 at some point in the future.  It will noteE > be on the V7.3-1 kit for a very good reason -- we haven't completede > the work yet!l >tC > My best guess is some time in the late fall.  I can't be any more  specificI > because we haven't finished writing all the code yet.  For those of you: wholF > subscribe to the source listings (is the [shadowing] facility on the
 listings?)K > SHDRIVER.MAR has grown by over 1,000 blocks, with correspondingly similariK > growth in SHD_MERGE, SHD_LOCK, SHD_INIT, etc . . .  This is a substantiale > modification!e >e& > It'll be worth the wait, though! :-) >o > -- >g1 > Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Grouph brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comm   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:33:21 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)S- Subject: Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimergen- Message-ID: <CchPmYrCwwkF@cuebid.zko.dec.com>n   norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  B > "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> on 08/15/2002 04:58:13 PMF >> Any chance of this getting into 7.2-2?  Would be nice for our site.  J > IIRC, Rob discussed this earlier.  V7.2* must coexist in a cluster with, > among-J > other versions V6.2*.  This and the resources allocated to the IA64 portL > and the tremendous amount of work involved and requalification issues makeJ > backporting a no go for the forseeable future and probably beyond.  Rob,P > of course, can speak to this himself, if he's not too tired of the subject ;)   F Norm is correct; qualifying and supporting Fibre Channel mini-merge on< V7.2-2 is not something we have the resources to do.  Sorry.  G I never tire of discussing anything VMS-related, especially HSG80-basedgE mini-merge.  It makes for great dinner table discussion with my wife, D who while quite intelligent in her own right, wouldn't know an HSG80 from a star coupler . . . :-)$  . -- 5  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comb   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 11:15:13 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)b- Subject: Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge:3 Message-ID: <uz8rpPAZZ+tc@eisner.encompasserve.org>N  _ In article <CchPmYrCwwkF@cuebid.zko.dec.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:t  I > I never tire of discussing anything VMS-related, especially HSG80-basediG > mini-merge.  It makes for great dinner table discussion with my wife,e   Oh Rob, you romantic devil :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:24:25 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: VMS in M$ ada) Message-ID: <3D5CE0E9.2AAD3552@127.0.0.1>p   John Santos wrote: > ? > Sorry to be so vague about this, but a friend of mine spotted-? > this the other day, and I forgot all about it until just now.n  B I've mentioned this in the newsgroup before, it is the 1 degree of separation ad.  : It was run in Computing and Computer Weekly recently. [UK]  G If anyone is desperately interested, I'll email the jpegs I've scanned,r drop me a note.i   -- w? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesi nclews at csc dot coms   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:53:38 GMTe1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>' Subject: Re: VMS in M$ ad - Message-ID: <mB679.43135$983.57998@rwcrnsc53>g  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in messagen# news:3D5CE0E9.2AAD3552@127.0.0.1...- > John Santos wrote: > >0A > > Sorry to be so vague about this, but a friend of mine spotted)A > > this the other day, and I forgot all about it until just now.W >ID > I've mentioned this in the newsgroup before, it is the 1 degree of > separation ad. >m< > It was run in Computing and Computer Weekly recently. [UK] >aI > If anyone is desperately interested, I'll email the jpegs I've scanned,t > drop me a note.  >e > --A > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  > nclews at csc dot comt  6 Yeah, please send the jpegs to me at my usual address.   Thanks!r   terry sy   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:38:30 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>t Subject: Re: VMS in M$ adi/ Message-ID: <ulq3j7fqpq6s60@news.supernews.com>p  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message' news:mB679.43135$983.57998@rwcrnsc53...- >- >-7 > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message % > news:3D5CE0E9.2AAD3552@127.0.0.1...  > > John Santos wrote: > > >!C > > > Sorry to be so vague about this, but a friend of mine spotted.C > > > this the other day, and I forgot all about it until just now.e > >lF > > I've mentioned this in the newsgroup before, it is the 1 degree of > > separation ad. > >.> > > It was run in Computing and Computer Weekly recently. [UK] > >nK > > If anyone is desperately interested, I'll email the jpegs I've scanned,; > > drop me a note.- > >- > > --C > > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences- > > nclews at csc dot com- >-8 > Yeah, please send the jpegs to me at my usual address. >   H It's running in every trade rag I get.  You do read the trade rags don't you? :)r   Page 15 of August 12 eWeek Page 3 of July 29 InfoWorldc   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2002 05:46:58 -0700% From: bart.zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)  Subject: Re: VS3100 questionss= Message-ID: <9a924482.0208160446.6b1be326@posting.google.com>   0 issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) wrote in message        [ Snip ... ]   > $ sho lic/charge, > VMS/LMF Charge Information for node xxxxxx2 > This is a VAXserver 3100, hardware model type 60 > 6 > Wait a minute... VAXserver??? What's that all about? > What is this thing?   T VAXstation 3100's which do not have a keyboard connected think they are a VAXserver.  % So, do you have a keyboard connected?        [ Snip ... ]  	 Bart Zorn+   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:41:45 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>r) Subject: Why C is better than Fortran 95?i' Message-ID: <3D5CF308.40AB9439@Free.fr>   P Reading the F95 doc (better late than never) I learn that today we have pointers7 management and even pointers initialization within F95.a  ! So, why is C having such success?t? To be able to execute embedded macro code? Who does this today?,   Your advice?   D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:58:24 +0100 (MET)T9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>f- Subject: Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?o; Message-ID: <01KLDDFUT77G970ARJ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o  I > Reading the F95 doc (better late than never) I learn that today we have@C > pointers management and even pointers initialization within F95. c  C Yes.  Fortran 77 to 90 was a HUGE step, and 95 added a few further a> niceties such as ELEMENTAL (look it up and grok the fullness).  # > So, why is C having such success?/  
 Fortran = VMSl   C = Unix, Windows, whatevern  * So, why is VMS having such little success?  F The reasons are the same: VMS and Fortran are viewed as dinosaurs, as A being uncool by the baggy-pants backward-baseball-cap short-hair eH generation, and decisions are made by people who don't know what's good.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:13:25 +0000 (UTC)w% From: John Forkosh <john@invalid.com> - Subject: Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?f, Message-ID: <ajj1a5$bkd$1@reader2.panix.com>  . Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:I : Reading the F95 doc (better late than never) I learn that today we have B : pointers management and even pointers initialization within F95. :i# : So, why is C having such success? A : To be able to execute embedded macro code? Who does this today?w  C The first 15 years of my career were entirely Fortran (and a littleaE assembler), and the most recent 15 have been entirely C (and a littleT less assembler).@      I mention this because the answer to your question isn't so> much related to specific features, but more a matter of taste.A As 3GL's go, C really is a lot nicer than Fortran, for scientific < as well as commercial applications.  It just is.  I wouldn't5 get into an endless and unresolvable debate about it.m? If you're comfortable with Fortran, if it does the job for you, < and if you don't know (and don't want to learn) C, then just: continue using Fortran.  It'll continue to work just fine. -- O> John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:45:43 -0400p% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>i- Subject: Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?e/ Message-ID: <ulq40oll4gfm09@news.supernews.com>r  : "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote in message! news:3D5CF308.40AB9439@Free.fr...aI > Reading the F95 doc (better late than never) I learn that today we haven pointers9 > management and even pointers initialization within F95.i > # > So, why is C having such success?hA > To be able to execute embedded macro code? Who does this today?  >u     1995 was 10 years too late?e   > Your advice?   Don't pick a single language.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:57:29 -04004+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>i- Subject: Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?s8 Message-ID: <au7qlu40c80917gvv2n23ouktp35l970l8@4ax.com>  2 On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:41:45 +0200, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:o  Q >Reading the F95 doc (better late than never) I learn that today we have pointerse8 >management and even pointers initialization within F95. >e" >So, why is C having such success?@ >To be able to execute embedded macro code? Who does this today? >o
 >Your advice?r  E Why is a hammer better than a screwdriver?  It isn't.  Each is a tooln7 that is good at some things, but not so good at others.A  D Fortran is very widely used, and it is still the preeminent languageA for high-performance technical computing.  We are seeing many newcA scientific and engineering applications being written in Fortran.l  E C and C++ are also widely used in this field, and recent improvementsuE in the C language have brought to it some of the benefits Fortran hasa had for years.  B In comp.lang.fortran, the C vs. Fortran war flares up on an almostC weekly basis.  I see no point in this - use whichever language bestbE suits the task at hand - your familiarity with one or the other plays2E a big role in this decision.  I certainly don't recommend translating:E a working application from Fortran to C (or from C to Fortran) - thata seems a waste of effort to me.      D Please send Visual Fortran support requests to vf-support@compaq.com   Steve Lionel Software Products Division Intel Corporationt
 Nashua, NH  : Intel Fortran for Windows and Compaq Visual Fortran forum:6   http://intel.forums.liveworld.com/forum.jsp?forum=76 Intel Fortran for Linux forum:7   http://intel.forums.liveworld.com/forum.jsp?forum=121w   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:31:12 +0200dC From: Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> ' Subject: XP1000 boot from DVD-R problems@ Message-ID: <00A128A0.E393C305.433@CHCLU.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>   Hi,?  # DVD for VMS is real nice adventure!t   Here is my next point:  O I can boot a DVD-RW from my Pioneer DVR-A03, if the size of the disk is smallereG than 650 MB. As soon as I try to boot a 4 GB DVD with the same content,)" the boot process stop immediately.  % So this might be a firmware problem? h   eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:29:08 -0400e From: norm.raphael@metso.com5 Subject: [O.T.?] Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimergek? Message-ID: <OFB53F139A.0F1ED01F-ON85256C17.00541351@metso.com>o   Rob,   "...from a star coupler."I  % Star coupler, a name to conjure with.a  % Now there was a piece of engineering.   J I still cannot understand why it cost $8.00 per month in 1988 for hardware support on it.  J Your wife must be almost as [fill in highly-praising adjective here] as is mine.    -Norm)        C brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) on 08/16/2002 09:33:21 AMa  ; Please respond to brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)o   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:e0 Subject:    Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge     norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  B > "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> on 08/15/2002 04:58:13 PMF >> Any chance of this getting into 7.2-2?  Would be nice for our site.  J > IIRC, Rob discussed this earlier.  V7.2* must coexist in a cluster with, > amonguJ > other versions V6.2*.  This and the resources allocated to the IA64 portG > and the tremendous amount of work involved and requalification issuesr makeJ > backporting a no go for the forseeable future and probably beyond.  Rob,D > of course, can speak to this himself, if he's not too tired of the
 subject ;)  F Norm is correct; qualifying and supporting Fibre Channel mini-merge on< V7.2-2 is not something we have the resources to do.  Sorry.  G I never tire of discussing anything VMS-related, especially HSG80-basedeE mini-merge.  It makes for great dinner table discussion with my wife,lD who while quite intelligent in her own right, wouldn't know an HSG80 from a star coupler . . . :-)    --  / Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Groups brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:14:28 +0200c- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>s$ Subject: [OT] (really?) For Terry S.' Message-ID: <3D5C9843.CC473911@Free.fr>u   Un ptit beurre, des touyous !n Un ptit beurre, des touyous !u  Un ptit beurre, des touyou ous ! Un ptit beurre, des touyous !N     D.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:52:01 GMTa1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> ( Subject: Re: [OT] (really?) For Terry S.- Message-ID: <Rz679.43117$983.58143@rwcrnsc53>   : "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote in message! news:3D5C9843.CC473911@Free.fr...i > Un ptit beurre, des touyous !R > Un ptit beurre, des touyous !a" > Un ptit beurre, des touyou ous ! > Un ptit beurre, des touyous !e >o >h > D.   G Sorry, my command of Francais really sucks. I can't get much beyond the) "butter" in the message!   Merci,   terry sd   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:26:19 +0200a- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>t( Subject: Re: [OT] (really?) For Terry S.' Message-ID: <3D5D27A9.A2D5B20A@Free.fr>.   It's Franglais:t   Un ptit beurre, des  touyous Happy   birth   day  to yout   :-)1   D.   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:x > < > "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote in message# > news:3D5C9843.CC473911@Free.fr...r! > > Un ptit beurre, des touyous !,! > > Un ptit beurre, des touyous !d$ > > Un ptit beurre, des touyou ous !! > > Un ptit beurre, des touyous !e > >l > >a > > D.n > I > Sorry, my command of Francais really sucks. I can't get much beyond thef > "butter" in the message!   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.450 ************************Subject: Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimergec? Message-ID: <OF1A6821DF.D4D7C220-ON85256C17.0044E4D7@metso.com>   H IIRC, Rob discussed this earlier.  V7.2* must coexist in a cluster with, amonguH other versions V6.2*.  This and the resources allocated to the IA64 port and thetB tremendous amount of work involved and requalification issues make backportingo6 a no go for the forseeable future an;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    ;    