1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 18 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 453       Contents:. Re: How can I format a SCSI RZ28M on VAX 4000?3 Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95 3 Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95 3 Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95 3 Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95 3 Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95  New missive from HP  Re: New missive from HP  OT: UK Universities  Re: OT: UK Universities B Re: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3?C Trust (was Re: Tru64 5.1A on Digital AlphaServer 2100 A500MP 2/200)  Re: types of queue??  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:24:10 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 7 Subject: Re: How can I format a SCSI RZ28M on VAX 4000? ' Message-ID: <3D5EFC36.E4413B92@fsi.net>    Charter wrote: > K > Nelson, if this is a workstation, like a 4000-60, connect the disk to the L > system (using an unused SCSI ID), boot OpenVMS on another disk, and simply > use the INIT command like: >  > $INIT DKA100: LABEL   F A note of caution: INITIALIZE != FORMAT (or INIT <> FORMAT if you read BASIC instead of C).  @ INITIALIZE expects that the disk is already (at least) low-level? formatted. The sole purpose of INITIALIZE is write the ODS data C structures on the disk. It is most closely akin to UN*X mkfs ("make = filesystem") or DOS/Win FORMAT/Q ("quick" format: refresh the E filesystem, leave the existing format intact), both of which assume a > pre-formatted medium (higher level than the low-level format).  H Some small VAXes have "TEST" commands at the console level which will doG the low-level format. I don't have documentation on the VAX 4000 handy,  so I can't look it up for you.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:00:31 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win955 Message-ID: <j3x79.197288$cU1.6209935@news.chello.at>   c In article <0e3hRc8VcUXq@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: g >In article <Bqn79.193565$cU1.6055579@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:  > E >> But unfortunately the time of VEST is officially over. It may work D >> of course, but you can't call HPQ for support. You are some yearsE >> too late for this. You may like it or not, but this is now a fact.  > > >I thought I read that a new version was shipping with V7.3-1.  K I still haven't seen V7.3-1, so maybe you're right, but I still don't know. 1 (I found nothing after a couple of minute search) % It would make our life much easier...    Please, Hoff, enlighten us   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:30:06 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win955 Message-ID: <2vx79.197430$cU1.6217315@news.chello.at>   f In article <j3x79.197288$cU1.6209935@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:d >In article <0e3hRc8VcUXq@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:h >>In article <Bqn79.193565$cU1.6055579@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: >>F >>> But unfortunately the time of VEST is officially over. It may workE >>> of course, but you can't call HPQ for support. You are some years F >>> too late for this. You may like it or not, but this is now a fact. >>? >>I thought I read that a new version was shipping with V7.3-1.  > L >I still haven't seen V7.3-1, so maybe you're right, but I still don't know.2 >(I found nothing after a couple of minute search)& >It would make our life much easier... >  >Please, Hoff, enlighten us   5 Sorry. I now found it. Larry is indeed right. Hooray. 5 OpenVMS Migration Software for VAX to Alpha (OMSVA) - H formerly known as DECmigrate/VEST - V1.2 is shipping with OpenVMS V7.3-1  6 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/omsva/  I So, now after putting my feet out of my mouth, I wish us all good luck...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2002 15:19:04 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win953 Message-ID: <GU9hJGd+Jmee@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <j3x79.197288$cU1.6209935@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:e > In article <0e3hRc8VcUXq@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: h >>In article <Bqn79.193565$cU1.6055579@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: >>F >>> But unfortunately the time of VEST is officially over. It may workE >>> of course, but you can't call HPQ for support. You are some years F >>> too late for this. You may like it or not, but this is now a fact. >>? >>I thought I read that a new version was shipping with V7.3-1.  > M > I still haven't seen V7.3-1, so maybe you're right, but I still don't know. 3 > (I found nothing after a couple of minute search) ' > It would make our life much easier...  >  > Please, Hoff, enlighten us  E While Steve is quite helpful, one should not ignore the contributions D of others from VMS Development.  Warren Sander posted a note here toC say that the V7.3-1 documentation was up on the web site.  From the B timing and the brevity of the note I got the impression he did allA the work of putting it up on the web site and then made the extra C effort to let us know about it.  Such efforts should not go ignored D by people posting without doing their own search through what Warren
 has provided.   D Alpha VMS V7.3-1 is still in "production", meaning that the bits andE words have been frozen but it has not yet been prepared for shipment. D Warren got his part done quite quickly, for which I am appreciative.  H I thought I read in that documentation about VEST, but I could be wrong.& Feel free to check my recollection :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:05:27 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> < Subject: Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95' Message-ID: <3D5EE986.6006DEAD@fsi.net>    Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > [snip]1 > You may like it or not, but this is now a fact.    *HEAVY SIGH*  F It's not a question of what anyone likes or dislikes. It's question of6 those options that are available at any point in time.   > [snip]/ > But I know of people who like to 'never touch G > a running system' until it's too late and their systems gets replaced 8 > instead of upgraded and this means in 99% bye-bye-vms.  F Again, the issue is not who will( not) upgrade/migrate, its a question of who *CAN* upgrade/migrate.    > [snip]) > >Things don't "die" until you let them.  > < > You mean, you make your hardware spare parts on your own ?  ? No - when necessary, you shop the used market and/or junkyards.   + > Then things are dead without your will...   7 Rather like where we currently find ourselves with VMS.   F > >Go ahead, guys - keep motivating me and others here to give up VMS,H > >maybe even computing in general. It'd be the biggest favor you can do > >for any of us.  > O > Sorry, David, the opposite is true. I'd like to motivate everyone to use VMS.   B As would I. However, I'm reaching the age where I'm thinking aboutG whether I can do more good trying to make a difference in the VMS world D or trying to do so in another field. I'm leaning strongly toward the( latter, as search of Google will reveal.  K > It is the best operating system, it is a general purpose operating system N > and it probably has all the features people need and like. The image and theK > price of VMS (means, as you know, the treatment of it's owner) is not ok.   3 Very little argument on this side of the VMS fence.   K > But, my experience has been, if you keep a system frozen for a long time, K > it gets replaced and not upgraded. And this means, one VMS system less...   G About the only quote that seems appropos here is the "Serenity Prayer":    God, grant me , the serenity to accept what I cannot change,& the courage to change what I can, and " the wisdom to know the difference.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:04:00 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)< Subject: Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1708022304000001@1cust194.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   I In article <GU9hJGd+Jmee@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:    F >While Steve is quite helpful, one should not ignore the contributionsE >of others from VMS Development.  Warren Sander posted a note here to D >say that the V7.3-1 documentation was up on the web site.  From theC >timing and the brevity of the note I got the impression he did all B >the work of putting it up on the web site and then made the extraD >effort to let us know about it.  Such efforts should not go ignoredE >by people posting without doing their own search through what Warren  >has provided. > E >Alpha VMS V7.3-1 is still in "production", meaning that the bits and F >words have been frozen but it has not yet been prepared for shipment.E >Warren got his part done quite quickly, for which I am appreciative.   G I've inquired about the Cover Letter, which is not on the documentation B page.  I'm told the Cover Letters (for V7.3-1 and recently-shippedF versions) will appear the next time the doc page is updated, Real Soon Now.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:32:29 GMT ! From: Andy <acs@fcgnet.works.net>  Subject: New missive from HP> Message-ID: <Xns926DB225834DBacsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>  A I'm on several Compaq and HP mailing lists (For assorted reasons) ? so I occassionally receive the usual occassional HP & Compaq PC  marketing literature.   @ One gem was the HP flyer for their orphaned HP 3000 (which seemsC to be lost somewhere on my desk at the moment) that was supposed to B cheer them up but that when opened/folded looked like a tombstone.  = Today's is the first time I've noticed something that had VMS ; on the front (granted, it was the return address block that ) had "OpenVMS Group" in it) along with HP.    The 9"x 12" envelope:   5 Lower left, an orange block with the words (in white)   +     	"what if you could see into tomorrow?"   " Lower right, the HP 'invent' logo.   Inside:    The flyer -   @ On the left - one of those coin operated "binocular" things you  see at tourist scenic sites.  : On the right - top - Orange block with the words (in white  $     	"get a glimpse of th e future"    Botton right - hp 'invent logo.   8 The binocular side opens to the left. Underneath it was @ a silver metal coin (in a yellow rectangle) that had "hp invent": facing out and on the glued side "hp AlphaServer systems"   3 Bellow that was a blue bloch with www.hp.com in it.   7 And on the oposite side from the binoculars is a short  " note from Rich Marcello that says:  ; [reformatted so it doesn't get mangled in transit. I hope.]   B [Any errors (that I didn't catch) are due to the OCR software that4 came with my HP scanner/copier/laserjet/fax machine]   ---- Dear valued customer,   @ HP and Compaq have had an historic perspective and focus on what5 it takes to meet customers' most demanding enterprise = requirements in the business-critical market. The new HP will 9 bring unprecedented strengths and expertise to enterprise = computing, with an improved ability to deliver solutions that > help you achieve new levels of availability, manageability and business continuity.    : I want to ensure that you, our valued HP Tru64 UNIX and HP7 OpenVMS AlphaServer customers, understand the continued 8 commitments that the new HP is making to the AlphaServer@ business, our planned roadmaps, and what it all means to you and? your future IT strategy. Looking forward, our goal is to define 5 progress together with you - from both a business and B technological viewpoint, sharing your vision for success today and in the future.  ? I want to personally assure you that the capabilities for which 7 you have come to depend upon with Compaq - unparalleled 9 performance, leadership clustering, high availability and @ "bullet-proof" operations - will continue to be delivered by theA new HP. These capabilities will be wrapped in a focus on the best ; total customer experience that will differentiate us in the  business-critical market.   8 There is no more important asset to the new HP than you.   Regards,   [Rich Marcello's signature]    Richard Marcello" Vice President and General Manager Alpha Systems Division Hewlett-Packard Company  ----  6 I wonder if this means I won't get the HP-wrapped copy of Fortune ?   -Andy- --     ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:09:32 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>  Subject: Re: New missive from HPB Message-ID: <MdE79.195954$6Z1.9178413@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  . "Andy" <acs@fcgnet.works.net> wrote in message8 news:Xns926DB225834DBacsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232...   ...   8 > And on the oposite side from the binoculars is a short$ > note from Rich Marcello that says: > = > [reformatted so it doesn't get mangled in transit. I hope.]  > D > [Any errors (that I didn't catch) are due to the OCR software that6 > came with my HP scanner/copier/laserjet/fax machine] >  > ---- > Dear valued customer,  > B > HP and Compaq have had an historic perspective and focus on what7 > it takes to meet customers' most demanding enterprise ? > requirements in the business-critical market. The new HP will ; > bring unprecedented strengths and expertise to enterprise ? > computing, with an improved ability to deliver solutions that @ > help you achieve new levels of availability, manageability and > business continuity. > < > I want to ensure that you, our valued HP Tru64 UNIX and HP9 > OpenVMS AlphaServer customers, understand the continued : > commitments that the new HP is making to the AlphaServerB > business, our planned roadmaps, and what it all means to you andA > your future IT strategy. Looking forward, our goal is to define 7 > progress together with you - from both a business and D > technological viewpoint, sharing your vision for success today and > in the future. > A > I want to personally assure you that the capabilities for which 9 > you have come to depend upon with Compaq - unparalleled ; > performance, leadership clustering, high availability and B > "bullet-proof" operations - will continue to be delivered by theC > new HP. These capabilities will be wrapped in a focus on the best = > total customer experience that will differentiate us in the  > business-critical market.  > : > There is no more important asset to the new HP than you. > 
 > Regards, >  > [Rich Marcello's signature]  >  > Richard Marcello$ > Vice President and General Manager > Alpha Systems Division > Hewlett-Packard Company   K How touching.  Really reminds me of the Heil/Lipcon "Compaq's commitment to K Alpha" letter, though it's pretty mild stuff compared with that one.  And I * suspect Rich means it as much as they did.  I Unfortunately, he has no real control over the situation (nor, I suspect, I did they).  "Defining progress together" sure as hell hasn't been the way K cHumPaq operated in the past, and there's no reason to believe anything has I changed.  Even a 'commitment' signed in blood by Carly wouldn't carry any C real weight, but at least there'd be some chance she'd try to avoid H blatantly reneging on it simply for personal credibility reasons (thoughL there's little indication that all the failed promises she's made about HP's< glowing future over the years have caused her much concern).  J When you can't trust a corporation's words (either because those who utterL them have proven untrustworthy in the past or because they simply don't haveG the authority to carry through on them), you can only follow the money.iJ Only if HP starts spending any real money on developing and promoting VMS,B Tru64, and Alpha will Rich's words above begin to become credible.   - bill   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:28:33 -0700 (PDT)-. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: OT: UK Universities@ Message-ID: <20020817232833.75011.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>  	 Dear Sirsj  1 I am really thinking to go to Europe - even with   the floods - after October.2  4 I was searching some UK Universities (through Yahoo 3 and www.eduacationuk.org sites) and I would like to 4 get some informations about specializations and pos-3 graduation courses. Of course I  can get this kind :2 of information from the British Council in Brazil 6 but there are a lot of British Sirs in this list with 4 technical experience and I think a "broadcast" here  can be useful.  :-)l  6 I am graduated as Telecommunications Technologist here  1 in Brazil (equivalent to the Inginiero Tecnico inc2 Spain (3 years course) - But as you know I work as4 SysAdm for a long time and never worked with Telecom( -except as a trainee in Barcelona, 1998.  5 I am interested to go back to the studies and I thinkt5 UK should is the better option. But, is there a kind S/ of "leveraging" for foreign students etc ? I amh3 worried if I can be able to have classes in English  and05 if my techical level is too low for UK standards. :-/i  2 I didnt decide what course I will study until now 5 but I want something related to Computers or Telecommw4 Networks, or related to Electronics Engineering like3 Signal Processing <- I studied thsi subkect  a longe5 time ago but I dont know if I am able to have classest4 in English, so this is my main question..  Ok, Ok my/ english is not perfect but I will return to the  English classes.   Any help appreciated ! !     Regardse   FC o   =====r ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilt fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?& HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:47:45 -0400a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)  Subject: Re: OT: UK UniversitiesK Message-ID: <rdeininger-1708022247450001@1cust194.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>m  F In article <20020817232833.75011.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio) Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:E  
 >Dear Sirs >p2 >I am really thinking to go to Europe - even with  >the floods - after October.  E You should look into possibilities in the U.S.A. as well.  If you are-G going to move anyway, restricting your geography may not be a good ideat given the slow economy.E   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:58:14 -0400D2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)K Subject: Re: Recompile applications when migrating from OpenVMS 7.1 to 7.3? K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1708022258150001@1cust194.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>l  K In article <ajlumq$d29$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:5    F >>Why do people keep saying this?  An image built on any Alpha runningH >>OpenVMS will run on any other alpha running the same or higher versionE >>of OpenVMS, even if built with architecture-specific optimizations.> >>C >>OpenVMS emulates any instructions it uses on any of its supported I >>platforms that don't natively have that instruction.  So, while you mayiG >>impact performance, you will not build an image that you won't run on( >>some alphas. >> > O >Could someone tell Oracle this since as I mentioned in another thread they arefM >desupporting Oracle running on EV5 and earlier alphas precisely because theyn) >have decided to use these optimisations.S  J Have YOU told Oracle yet?  The more people they hear from, the better.  IfH your complaint generates a response claiming "we can't do that", post itB here and folks will likely pass judgement on its technical merits.  I Even if they insist on optimizing for post-EV5, they could just recompileaC to make another version optimized for older alphas, or with generickI optimization.  I believe RDB generates some alpha code on the fly using aaH version of the GEM code generator, but that should have the same options
 available.  G If Oracle has been writing source code that depends on picky details ofdG the generation-specific alpha architecture, they have some really nastyn" work coming when they port to IPF.  < I doubt they are that silly.  This whole thing sounds like aF politcal/marketing decision, with no technical basis beyond some minor build/kitting details.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:36:42 GMTi1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> L Subject: Trust (was Re: Tru64 5.1A on Digital AlphaServer 2100 A500MP 2/200)' Message-ID: <3D5EFF26.5224E588@fsi.net>t   Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:  G [Actual subject matter snipped. This post is reposted from comp.sys.decpF via reply to comp.os.vms because I liked the sig. I think the brass atE HP/Q should recite this out loud twenty times every morning until it n sticks.]   > Take care, >  > --	 > Stefaani > --I > The moral fabric of society unravels if there is no trust.  With trust,uH > you gain respect, loyalty, and common purpose. Without trust, you needH > detailed orders to run things.  All centralized  command  and  controlH > systems are based on mistrust.  The way to maintain moral authority isI > by deed, not word alone.                       -- Col. John Boyd (1993)      --   David J. Dachterak dba DJE Systemsc http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 04:57:56 GMTa/ From: Murray D'Elf <murraytheelf@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: types of queue??e8 Message-ID: <vq9ulu4ggvput1pgv4b3dh58v6l58mk9v1@4ax.com>  E I remember many years ago, there was a type of queue called a logicaltD queue.  It was a holding tank for print jobs.  If you had a job thatA was going to take a long time to run, or needed a special type ofm8 form, you could create a logical queue with an $INIT/QUEE command that did not specifically identify itself as a batch, but did8 not contain a device reference.G  B When you were ready to forward the jobs to an execution queue, youF would "link" them with an $ ASSIGN/QUEUE execution-queue logical-queue command.  @ Of course, now that you can specify  block limits, and forms andE characteristic requirments, most of the need of this type of queue isuA gone, but you can still create one (whether you meant to or not).    Hope this helps.  	 Tom Sterna former VMS instructor ? (yesterday would have been my 20th anniversary of teaching VMS)u   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.453 ************************