1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 19 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 456       Contents:0 RE: (O.T.?) Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge0 RE: (O.T.?) Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge ALL-IN-1 Shared Folders # Re: attn: Paddy (re: DCL procedure) < Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion< Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion< Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion< Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversionJ Re: DECmigrate (was: Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95_) Dumb TCPIP question  Re: Dumb TCPIP question  Re: Dumb TCPIP question  Re: Dumb TCPIP question  Enterprise Virtual Array Re: Enterprise Virtual Array' RE: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap ' Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap ' RE: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap ' Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap  Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper RE: Fortune Magazine wrapper RE: Fortune Magazine wrapper  Re: How to use jar under OpenVMS" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" RE: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly@ Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?@ Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?@ Re: Licenses (was Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha]...))C Memo:  Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion  Re: MntVerifyTimeout ?" Re: Monitor record format question Re: New missive from HP  NewHp & VMS Licensing  Re: NewHp & VMS Licensing  Re: NewHp & VMS Licensing  RE: NewHp & VMS Licensing  RE: NewHp & VMS Licensing  Re: NewHp & VMS Licensing " NFS Server configuration questions Re: OT: UK Universities . Re: Procedure to enlarge system name required.. Re: Reading a backup set from a ISO-9660 disk?D Re: REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION - DECCXX 6.5 UNREACHABLE CODE WARNINGS Setting Terminal Sessions  Re: Setting Terminal Sessions  Re: Setting Terminal Sessions ( Re: TS10/VAX Updates - DELQA now worked.D Unreadable VMS Testimonial Brochures (was: Fortune Magazine wrapper) Re: [OT] (really?) For Terry S.  Re: [OT] (really?) For Terry S. 5 Re: [very OT] Fund transfer spam: where is the issue?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:23:00 -0400 = From: "Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> 9 Subject: RE: (O.T.?) Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge Q Message-ID: <70EDC551EFE5684B9B3C8E5890F783633150DD@rlghncsxm20.usa.dce.usps.gov>   + I once described a star coupler to a PHB as   2 "kind of a cube tap for the cluster interconnect".   :^)    WWWebb     -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET & Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:42 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET5 Subject: [O.T.?] Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge      Rob,   "...from a star coupler."   % Star coupler, a name to conjure with.   % Now there was a piece of engineering.   C I still cannot understand why it cost $8.00 per month in 1988 for =  hardware support on it.  I Your wife must be almost as [fill in highly-praising adjective here] as =  is mine.    -Norm         C brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) on 08/16/2002 09:33:21 AM   ; Please respond to brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)    To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: 0 Subject:    Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge     norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  B > "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> on 08/15/2002 04:58:13 PMF >> Any chance of this getting into 7.2-2?  Would be nice for our site.  F > IIRC, Rob discussed this earlier.  V7.2* must coexist in a cluster = with,  > among G > other versions V6.2*.  This and the resources allocated to the IA64 =  portG > and the tremendous amount of work involved and requalification issues  makeG > backporting a no go for the forseeable future and probably beyond.  =  Rob,D > of course, can speak to this himself, if he's not too tired of the
 subject ;)  F Norm is correct; qualifying and supporting Fibre Channel mini-merge on< V7.2-2 is not something we have the resources to do.  Sorry.  G I never tire of discussing anything VMS-related, especially HSG80-based E mini-merge.  It makes for great dinner table discussion with my wife, D who while quite intelligent in her own right, wouldn't know an HSG80 from a star coupler . . . :-)    --  / Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group  brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 08:20:25 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 9 Subject: RE: (O.T.?) Re: V7.3-1 and TIMA for FC Minimerge 3 Message-ID: <3vQbh5466LwA@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <70EDC551EFE5684B9B3C8E5890F783633150DD@rlghncsxm20.usa.dce.usps.gov>, "Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes: - > I once described a star coupler to a PHB as  > 4 > "kind of a cube tap for the cluster interconnect". >  > :^)   E So you delight in torturing PHBs with technical terms like cube tap ?    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 08:28:58 -0700' From: jonathan.garvin@mail.esb.ie (Jon)   Subject: ALL-IN-1 Shared Folders= Message-ID: <b7613e25.0208190728.79b0aeec@posting.google.com>   B Is there a way to get a list of all the Shared Folders in Allin1??   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:08:05 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>, Subject: Re: attn: Paddy (re: DCL procedure)* Message-ID: <00A12B33.D3FC958A.2@decus.de>   David J. Dachtera wrote:   > Michael Unger wrote: > > M > > I wasn't able to send the new (beta test) release of the DCL procedure to  you O > > for more than one week now. Are there currently restrictions regarding mail ) > > delivery (size, contents, generally)?  > I > I'm fairly certain that Paddy know how to use ZIP and UNZIP for VMS, if  > size is a problem.  $ Thanks for the pointer to ZIP/UNZIP.  L Having tried a few times more I don't think size is really the problem; evenM simple mails (short ASCII only text, about 10 to 15 lines) can not be sent to O him -- the error message I get back is exactly the same as with large(r) files.   P (Perhaps my sender address got blocked because of the many "$" characters within the mail ... ;-)   Michael    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Aug 2002 11:48:59 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion 6 Message-ID: <ajqlvb$1cqirq$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  . In article <3D5FCCC3.10372.6BE45F6@localhost>,- 	"Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:  > D > *If* they don't install anything else on the Winbox, and just run H > CHARON-VAX, it's very stable.  It's a server, not a general user box, % > and should be treated the same way.  >   E I don't know how to break this to you, but if your talking Win2K here E it isn't stable when it has nothing running on it.  I have a lab full E of them. After the students left back in June, they were just sitting C there all by themselves.  Inside of 30 days every one of them had a E message on the screen informing someone that they had run dangerously D low of Virtual Memory.  Within the next 15 days, they all ran out ofE virtual memory and locked up.  A memory leak that big hardly fits the  definition of a stable machine.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:01:05 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion . Message-ID: <3D60B3D1.18822.A44D6D0@localhost>  / On 19 Aug 2002 at 11:48, Bill Gunshannon wrote: G > I don't know how to break this to you, but if your talking Win2K here ; > it isn't stable when it has nothing running on it.  [..]  + > Inside of 30 days every one of them had a G > message on the screen informing someone that they had run dangerously F > low of Virtual Memory.  Within the next 15 days, they all ran out of > virtual memory and locked up.   C Personally, I think Windows should be eliminated from the planet.   F I've accepted the idea, however, that Windows will not go away.  What - I don't want to happen is for VMS to go away.   B Along with not installing anything, you also have to shut off any D unnecessary services.  I can't think of any that are necessary when  running CHARON-VAX. 
 --Stan Quayle ! President, Quayle Consulting Inc.   
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-  16711 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:18:03 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion ) Message-ID: <3D60F00B.8E59E111@127.0.0.1>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 0 > In article <3D5FCCC3.10372.6BE45F6@localhost>,6 >         "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes: > > E > > *If* they don't install anything else on the Winbox, and just run I > > CHARON-VAX, it's very stable.  It's a server, not a general user box, ' > > and should be treated the same way.  > >  > G > I don't know how to break this to you, but if your talking Win2K here  ...   C Hum. Err I need to be delicate saying this, because we've a special C evaluation of this product going ahead at the moment, but the power E supply in the "system who's maker shall remain nameless, but could be & relatively easy to guess" has failed !  H So it blew before we had a change to let the first eval licence run out,+ never mind become a victim to any W2K bugs.   0 Is this like putting all your baskets in an egg? --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 07:49:20 -0700) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) E Subject: Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversion < Message-ID: <55f85d77.0208190649.e919452@posting.google.com>  ` "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message news:<3D5FCCC3.10372.6BE45F6@localhost>... > D > Probably not much.  In fact, HP is asking resellers to stress the  > Alpha version of CHARON-VAX. >    *Good thing* - Many thanks!    D > *If* they don't install anything else on the Winbox, and just run H > CHARON-VAX, it's very stable.  It's a server, not a general user box, % > and should be treated the same way.   D Yes, and in the real life of a borgbot(tm) who looks after a Winbox?  G > recommending that customers not plug in the network interface that's  C > used by Windows.  That fixes most of the Windows vulnerabilities.    Says it all really :-)  G > As for "stripped naked", the whole system is usually migrated.  It's  @ > a 100% VMS system, complete with everything the original had:  > compilers, software, etc.   C Yes, however there is one naked VAX there ready to be killed by the E borgbots(tm) looking after it's care and feeding under the Window(tm)  environment.   H > And some people say they'd die before installing (more) DEC or Compaq F > hardware.  Now that HP owns OpenVMS, there could be less resistance  > to VMS.  I have no data yet.  C These people need to be asked about why they feel this way and have D such problems answered - not pushed onto a Window(tm) VAX - they may end up really pi**ed off.    D > > On a PC, I would like to see it running in a stripped down LINUXF > > environment. IE: to the user it *is the OS* and installs as such -H > > there is no user level OS between Charon-VAX and the hardware. Would? > > need a nifty tool to install "off the shelf" LINUX drivers.  > @ > SRI has toyed with CHARON-VAX on Linux.  They're working on a A > product, but no commitment on a date.  There's apparently more  H > interest in Linux in Europe than the US, so far.  Part of the problem C > with Linux is: which distribution?  Europe uses mostly Debian (I  ( > think), while the US is mostly RedHat. >   J I'd like to see a stripped down LINUX that comes out of the CHARON-VAX boxF that way. No O/S required on the host platform - that way *you* get to control the environment.   > B > We all have.  And CHARON-VAX allows the customer to run Windows E > without rewriting any of the application.  Back to that "devil you  7 > know" thinking.  It's silly, but a Windows box sells.  >   A That would be the bottom line I'm afraid, and the reason why this C years automobiles have more plastic, less metal and less wheel nuts F than last years. I guess it's the good old greed/overpopulation thing.  H > Besides, if it runs VMS, do you care what it's really running on?  Or    Yup.  ? > are you going to ignore Itanium because you can only buy the   > processor from Intel??  C Nope, I'll buy the processor from Intel because it runs OpenVMS, as B I must if I want to stay with OpenVMS (which I do). If I can't runF OpenVMS then I'm onto a different job path - diesel engines actually - that simple.  C Sorry to sound bitter about this - but, yes it is the way the world 6 spins, and business must be done. No offence intended.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Aug 2002 15:28:05 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)S Subject: Re: DECmigrate (was: Re: JetDirect Printing through Pathworks from Win95_) * Message-ID: <ajr2q5$kso$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  I   The subject line has been changed, and all follow-ups -- since this has E   diverged from a PATHWORKS question -- have been set to comp.os.vms.   f In article <j3x79.197288$cU1.6209935@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:d :In article <0e3hRc8VcUXq@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:h :>In article <Bqn79.193565$cU1.6055579@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: :>F :>> But unfortunately the time of VEST is officially over. It may workE :>> of course, but you can't call HPQ for support. You are some years F :>> too late for this. You may like it or not, but this is now a fact. : ? :>I thought I read that a new version was shipping with V7.3-1.  : L :I still haven't seen V7.3-1, so maybe you're right, but I still don't know.2 :(I found nothing after a couple of minute search)& :It would make our life much easier... :  :Please, Hoff, enlighten us   I   Please download the text-format version of the OpenVMS Frequently Asked I   Questions (FAQ), and please search the FAQ for the string "DECmigrate". F   Follow the URL that is listed in the FAQ for the DECmigrate package.I   Then please read the referenced webpage.  You will find an introduction I   to DECmigrate and information on the status of DECmigrate -- and please I   note that the product support status has been changed slightly from its J   long-standing historical status -- and you will also find the DECmigrate   kit available for download.   F   We expect to have a DECmigrate tool available as part of the OpenVMSF   port to the IA-64 architecture, though I do not know how many of theF   other obvious platform porting permutations possible have received a   formal committment.   @   As has been usual, the prefered porting path is a source port.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:59:05 +0100 + From: "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com>  Subject: Dumb TCPIP question5 Message-ID: <1029747280.920440@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>    All,L I spent some time over the weekend and this morning looking for somewhere toD download TCP/IP serives version 5.1. I'm currently running v4.2 on aJ PWS433au that I am upgrading. I can't go past VMS 7.2-1h2 as I've hit on aK conflict with an IEEE488.2 GPIB card and drivers, but would like to upgrade:K the TCP/IP services to 5.1. I have got the ECO's for it, but not the actualn version.  L I maybe being dumb by not finding it, it may be under my nose. Could someone. point me to where/if I can download it please?   TIA:   Andy Proctor   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:47:28 +0100g= From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk>q  Subject: Re: Dumb TCPIP question@ Message-ID: <iV489.32830$DG5.12962@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>  6 "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com> wrote in message/ news:1029747280.920440@ananke.eclipse.net.uk...o > All,K > I spent some time over the weekend and this morning looking for somewheret toF > download TCP/IP serives version 5.1. I'm currently running v4.2 on aL > PWS433au that I am upgrading. I can't go past VMS 7.2-1h2 as I've hit on aE > conflict with an IEEE488.2 GPIB card and drivers, but would like to  upgradenF > the TCP/IP services to 5.1. I have got the ECO's for it, but not the actual
 > version. >aF > I maybe being dumb by not finding it, it may be under my nose. Could someoneW0 > point me to where/if I can download it please? >  > TIAt >e > Andy Proctor >f >M  G You'll find some layered products (TCPIP is one) on the CDs with the OSnB itself. You'll find the rest on the layered product CD set (issuedJ quarterly). You probably need VMS V7.2-1 or later CDs to find TCPIP V5.1 -J for sure it's on the VMS V7.3 CD. TCPIP V5.3 is on the June 2002 quarterlyJ CD set. You get the CDs by purchasing them + the update service (for work)2 or by purchasing a Hobbyist CD set (for non-work).  # -----------------------------------M Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:22:03 -0400a+ From: "Chris Moore" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca>   Subject: Re: Dumb TCPIP question9 Message-ID: <9g689.1269$sY3.348665@news20.bellglobal.com>   L I found during an upgrade from 7.1 on an Alpha 400, that I was informed thatJ UCX 4.2 would not work, and asked whether I wanted to upgrade to TCPIP 5.0I at that time.  The rest of the conversion happened under program control,eH using the previous configs, and worked fine.  (find 5.1 though....5.0 is fairly ugly)    H "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk> wrote in message: news:iV489.32830$DG5.12962@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...6 "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com> wrote in message/ news:1029747280.920440@ananke.eclipse.net.uk...s > All,K > I spent some time over the weekend and this morning looking for somewheren toF > download TCP/IP serives version 5.1. I'm currently running v4.2 on aL > PWS433au that I am upgrading. I can't go past VMS 7.2-1h2 as I've hit on aE > conflict with an IEEE488.2 GPIB card and drivers, but would like to  upgrade F > the TCP/IP services to 5.1. I have got the ECO's for it, but not the actual
 > version. > F > I maybe being dumb by not finding it, it may be under my nose. Could someoner0 > point me to where/if I can download it please? >f > TIAe >g > Andy Proctor >t >d  G You'll find some layered products (TCPIP is one) on the CDs with the OS.B itself. You'll find the rest on the layered product CD set (issuedJ quarterly). You probably need VMS V7.2-1 or later CDs to find TCPIP V5.1 -J for sure it's on the VMS V7.3 CD. TCPIP V5.3 is on the June 2002 quarterlyJ CD set. You get the CDs by purchasing them + the update service (for work)2 or by purchasing a Hobbyist CD set (for non-work).  # -----------------------------------" Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:43:36 +0100r+ From: "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com>i  Subject: Re: Dumb TCPIP question5 Message-ID: <1029767949.628218@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>n  6 "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com> wrote in message/ news:1029747280.920440@ananke.eclipse.net.uk...a > All,K > I spent some time over the weekend and this morning looking for somewheren toF > download TCP/IP serives version 5.1. I'm currently running v4.2 on aL > PWS433au that I am upgrading. I can't go past VMS 7.2-1h2 as I've hit on aE > conflict with an IEEE488.2 GPIB card and drivers, but would like too upgrade F > the TCP/IP services to 5.1. I have got the ECO's for it, but not the actual
 > version. >oF > I maybe being dumb by not finding it, it may be under my nose. Could someoner0 > point me to where/if I can download it please? >e > TIA  >  > Andy Proctor >s >   G Thanks to all for the help. I actually found the pcsi file on a vms 7.3-K operating system CD from one of our production units. I'll be installing itm asap!    Thanks for the pointers:   Andy   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 02:55:33 -0700% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e! Subject: Enterprise Virtual Array1( Message-ID: <ajqfal0v1l@drn.newsguy.com>  P I recall hearing at a couple of Compaq presentations that upcoming support wouldK be provided for a NAS module for EVA products. Can anyone fill me in on thetL details of this as I can't seem to see any reference on the Storageworks web site.    Thanks.-   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 10:45:24 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)L% Subject: Re: Enterprise Virtual Array33 Message-ID: <1bCNB2SiKTRY@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  P In article <ajqfal0v1l@drn.newsguy.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > R > I recall hearing at a couple of Compaq presentations that upcoming support wouldM > be provided for a NAS module for EVA products. Can anyone fill me in on theAN > details of this as I can't seem to see any reference on the Storageworks web > site.l >   < http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/e7000/index.html  B http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/e7000/description.html    F The StorageWorksT Network Attached Storage (NAS) Executor E7000 is theK enterprise-class NAS solution that provides unlimited scalability, deliversbO continuous data availability and maximizes return on storage investment througho3 the fusion of NAS and Storage Area Networks (SAN). iM Radically redefining Network Attached Storage (NAS), the new StorageWorks NASeJ Executor E7000 fuses NAS and SAN, thus enabling Universal Network Storage,L providing customers the greatest scalability and flexibility to manage theirO storage resources cost effectively. This latest innovation from Compaq provides2J enhanced performance along with simplified, centralized storage and systemK management, ultimately saving customers resources, time and money, loweringvH their Total Cost of Ownership (TCO). The StorageWorks NAS Executor E7000K delivers the fusion of NAS and SAN in a common, networked storage pool that F provides customers with the flexibility to choose file (NAS)- or block@ (SAN)-level access to best suit the needs of their applications.     				Roba    H "An old Oregon rancher once told me, there are three types of men in theL world.  One type learns from books.  One type learns from observations.  And< one type just has to urinate on the electric fence himself."  <                                         -- Carl Barney, 1996   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:13:03 -0500t/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> 0 Subject: RE: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rapT Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C7C8@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  A Attendance is already down at the recent symposia and now this...-   EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**      > -----Original Message-----8 > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]' > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:17 PM- > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma2 > Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap >  >  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:: > > ( > > [Delusional hallucinations snipped.] > >n= > > If these assumptions come to pass, does it really matter 1 > what the underlyingl
 > > OS is? > > * > > Not a troll, just an idea to consider, > D > Hey, Terry? Where can I get a dime bag of whatever you're smokin'? > G > When ODS, RMS, DCL, VMScluster (including the DLM) and the entire VMS E > runtime library are ported to another non-VMS descendent o.s., I'llf@ > dance naked on stage at the (then current successor to) DECUS  > symposium. >  > There. You have it on record.n > , > ...and remember: you heard it here, first! >  > -- p > David J. Dachtera, > dba DJE Systemsn > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:00:16 GMTa1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>a0 Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap- Message-ID: <4K789.78219$983.90129@rwcrnsc53>6  : "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in messageL news:92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C7C8@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us. ..C > Attendance is already down at the recent symposia and now this...8  & (My friend David Dachtera wrote)  I'llA > > dance naked on stage at the (then current successor to) DECUSV > > symposium.  F All the more reason to attend HPETS2002! Plus, there will be a closingD session by John Loether and Yours Truly. This alone makes attendanceG worthwhile. John Loether is the toughest act in the world to follow, sotL watching me try to shuck and jive and bob and weave might be fun. Might be aD massive embarassment to me, but what the heck, that's entertainment!  ' cheers, and hope to see ya at HPETS2002r   terry s    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:32:17 -0400e' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>v0 Subject: RE: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rapT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D94A7@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  . >>> cheers, and hope to see ya at HPETS2002<<<  G Just in case, some folks were not aware of the web site for HP ETS2002: ) http://www.hpets2002.com/portal/index.jsps   Regardsp  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant? Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicest Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----9 From: Terry C. Shannon [mailto:terryshannon@attbi.com]=20R Sent: August 19, 2002 11:00 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap      : "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in messageH news:92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C7C8@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx us.c .HC > Attendance is already down at the recent symposia and now this...   & (My friend David Dachtera wrote)  I'llD > > dance naked on stage at the (then current successor to) DECUS=20 > > symposium.  F All the more reason to attend HPETS2002! Plus, there will be a closingD session by John Loether and Yours Truly. This alone makes attendanceG worthwhile. John Loether is the toughest act in the world to follow, soeG watching me try to shuck and jive and bob and weave might be fun. Mighto: be a massive embarassment to me, but what the heck, that's entertainment!  ' cheers, and hope to see ya at HPETS2002s   terry s%   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:16:46 -0400w- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>A0 Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine and a post-VMS rap, Message-ID: <3D6127FD.E181F2DA@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: H > All the more reason to attend HPETS2002! Plus, there will be a closing* > session by John Loether and Yours Truly.  L Forcing John Loether to speak at an HP/Compaq event post June 25 2001 shouldL be considered inhumane treatment and whoever is doing this should be sent to" the International Crimes Tribunal.  J John Loether was incredibly good and strong believer of Alpha and providedL such demonstrable proof that IA64 could never catch up to Alpha that it mustZ be very painful for him to prostitute himself and toe the current company line/propaganda.  N For as much as I enjoyed  his presentations, I did not feel comfortable when IJ saw one of his post June 25 presentations and kept thinking how painful itL must be for him to say things that are 100% opposite of what he believes in.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:30:45 GMTd1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>n% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper - Message-ID: <9o%79.75464$983.88023@rwcrnsc53>m   >tI > Terry, can you fix your M$ software to put the signature at the bottom,a and F > put in the separator properly as "-- "? It's bad enough that OutlookA > Express tries to get people to top-post, but if it can't handlef signatures,i > I'd ask for a refund.y >   $ Let me know if this works better....   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:42:28 GMTh# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapperwI Message-ID: <Ub289.40627$8aG1.15695@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in messagen0 news:20020817123901.32147.qmail@nym.alias.net... >nH > Don't take the criticism personally, I'm sure it isn't meant that way. >yD > Marketing *is* wanted by most people in the newsgroup, but what isJ > questioned is the target audience HP have selected. This target audienceG > reflects the goals HP have for the product we're interested in - VMS.o >uG > The reason some people seem to be critical, is there appears to be nonG > effort by HP to get new customers running VMS. From comments made, it  would J > appear that this Fortune wrapper campaign has been targetted at existing- > customers who have the systems it mentions.r >iH > Now, had the "target audience" been selected from Fortune's subscriberK > mailing list, instead of from HP's customer list, you could've expected a  > much more positive response.   Sue,   I'll 2nd and 3rd all the above.   K Right now, the existing VMS customers all have heard the words 'commitment'(H and 'roadmap' and all the other supposedly warm and fuzzy buzzwords from Digital, Compaq, and HP.  4 And what have these warm and fuzzy words brought us?  J Declining market share of VMS, serious doubts within our own organizationsL about the viability of VMS, shortages of trained VMS application programmersL and administrators, migrations from VMS to Billyware and that abortion knownH as unix, fear for our own jobs, the stigma of being painted with 'legacy5 status' within our companies, and so on and so forth.3  J The only way that existing customers will have any sort of long-term trustH in HP is if HP markets the heck out of VMS and expands the customer baseI significantly. In that way, we can feel safe in recommending VMS to upperwC management, not be ridiculed, get funding for 24x7 projects, and tosL paraphrase the infomercial - we'll be able to 'stop the insanity' of Windows and unix migrations.  H HP does NOTHING to counter the nonsensical migrations from VMS - it onlyI sits idly by and says "Well if you want to leave VMS, we hope it'll be tonK HP-UX or other HP gear running Windows". And that's on a good day. On a badt* day we get statements from Scott Stallard.  L None of the existing HP community will take HP seriously about its long-termJ commitment to VMS until about 6 months after HP begins a SERIOUS marketing: campaign for VMS, software partners, and supporting ISV's.  L Without positive word-of-mouth references from existing customers about HP'sL commitment to VMS, all the good technical references are for naught - "Great OS, shame about HP wasting it."p  G It should be, "Great OS, and HP has really turned things around for VMS-L compared to Digital and Compaq. We were seriously thinking about tossing ourI millions of dollars invested in VMS but since HP has really turned on the-J marketing and expanded the customer base to new customers by 30%+, we haveK no reservations about staying with VMS for all our mission critical systems2E and all new development. We think it would be a great choice for your:
 company too."s   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 01:22:52 -0700% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>t% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrappero( Message-ID: <ajq9ss0hrg@drn.newsguy.com>  A In article <3Pa79.34$cy2.1193028@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred says...s >M >>>- > L >Perhaps insignificant to many, but everyone in BCS is being asked to take aI >short set of basic training modules over the internal net to learn aboutb >what our group does.s  F Hmm, I suggested something similar to Rich Marcello a year or two ago.  J >The introduction is a 45 minute video of the head of BCS (the group whichL >includes the enterprise Itanium and PA-RISC hardware platforms, HP-UX, VMS,F >NSK, and Alpha).  OpenVMS is mentioned in it along with NSK - with noH >apologies, and in a very positive way (in fact, he mentions that he hasM >gotten more mail from OpenVMS customers than *any* other customer group, and L >they have convinced him just how loyal and important they are).  One of the  6 Some of us might not be as daft as we sometimes sound.    M >self paced modules that people are asked to take along with the PA-RISC, and3L >HP-UX sections - is OpenVMS.  In fact, a good history and overview of Alpha >is also included.  J Now one could ask why Compaq never did anything like this despite it beingJ suggested multple times. Still it isn't Compaq in charge any more and thisJ together with the recent welcome absence of Windows will rule the universe* comments from Capellas is a positive sign.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:31:42 -0400p' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>e% Subject: RE: Fortune Magazine wrapperhT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660927@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   John,   E >>> Without positive word-of-mouth references from existing customers G about HP's commitment to VMS, all the good technical references are fore2 naught - "Great OS, shame about HP wasting it."<<<  F As a fyi, and keeping in mind that it's only a start, but I'm not sureH if you and others have seen the following recent testimonials for HP and OpenVMS, but just in case-  < http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/commerzbank/+ (Commerzbank and disaster tolerance - 9/11)wH http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/indiarr/ (India Railways fault tolerant solution)F http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/nz_steel/ (New ZealandB Steel runs process control systems on OpenVMS AlphaServer systems)= http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/southeastern/nF (Southeastern Freight - "Robinson is a firm believer in the HP OpenVMSH cluster technology and appreciates the high availability and flexibilityG the system provides: "Since the beginning, we have led this industry in  applying technology.")  7 Others (albeit not yet with HP format) can be found at:e0 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/   Regardsn  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660' Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----+ From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20h Sent: August 19, 2002 4:42 AMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn% Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapperb      A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message 0 news:20020817123901.32147.qmail@nym.alias.net... > H > Don't take the criticism personally, I'm sure it isn't meant that way. >PG > Marketing *is* wanted by most people in the newsgroup, but what is=20eD > questioned is the target audience HP have selected. This target=20I > audience reflects the goals HP have for the product we're interested=205 > in - VMS.J > J > The reason some people seem to be critical, is there appears to be no=20G > effort by HP to get new customers running VMS. From comments made, it- would-D > appear that this Fortune wrapper campaign has been targetted at=206 > existing customers who have the systems it mentions. >0H > Now, had the "target audience" been selected from Fortune's subscriber  C > mailing list, instead of from HP's customer list, you could've=20A) > expected a much more positive response.n   Sue,   I'll 2nd and 3rd all the above.i  > Right now, the existing VMS customers all have heard the wordsF 'commitment' and 'roadmap' and all the other supposedly warm and fuzzy' buzzwords from Digital, Compaq, and HP.   4 And what have these warm and fuzzy words brought us?  < Declining market share of VMS, serious doubts within our ownB organizations about the viability of VMS, shortages of trained VMSB application programmers and administrators, migrations from VMS toE Billyware and that abortion known as unix, fear for our own jobs, theoF stigma of being painted with 'legacy status' within our companies, and so on and so forth.   D The only way that existing customers will have any sort of long-term@ trust in HP is if HP markets the heck out of VMS and expands the= customer base significantly. In that way, we can feel safe in G recommending VMS to upper management, not be ridiculed, get funding formC 24x7 projects, and to paraphrase the infomercial - we'll be able to13 'stop the insanity' of Windows and unix migrations.l  H HP does NOTHING to counter the nonsensical migrations from VMS - it onlyF sits idly by and says "Well if you want to leave VMS, we hope it'll beH to HP-UX or other HP gear running Windows". And that's on a good day. On0 a bad day we get statements from Scott Stallard.  B None of the existing HP community will take HP seriously about itsB long-term commitment to VMS until about 6 months after HP begins aE SERIOUS marketing campaign for VMS, software partners, and supportingv ISV's.  G Without positive word-of-mouth references from existing customers aboutgH HP's commitment to VMS, all the good technical references are for naught( - "Great OS, shame about HP wasting it."  G It should be, "Great OS, and HP has really turned things around for VMSrH compared to Digital and Compaq. We were seriously thinking about tossingF our millions of dollars invested in VMS but since HP has really turnedC on the marketing and expanded the customer base to new customers byaH 30%+, we have no reservations about staying with VMS for all our missionF critical systems and all new development. We think it would be a great choice for your company too."a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:32:07 -0400i* From: "Kaledas, Ronald" <RKaledas@dmc.org>% Subject: RE: Fortune Magazine wrapperxL Message-ID: <B39B28A01B62D311B1360090277B3A58070F77E8@tro-nt-exchg2.dmc.org>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2478D.324AF810w Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"a  G Hear, hear!!  I for one am also happy to see VMS in print, been waitinghH 19-20 years to see it, and I also agree that some attempt is better thanJ none.  Thanks for posting this information, Sue, and PLEASE continue to do so!d< Don't let a few fuddy-duddies here convince you otherwise...   RonN   > -----Original Message-----< > From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com]' > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:43 AMp > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' > Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapperf >  >  > Dear News Group, > ? > I just want to say something.  Maybe I just love VMS to much   > and I am happyE > when ever I see it in print (with the exception of large consultingaH > companies who disregard any facts given them and use untruths to force? > trends that they predict).  I put things I find about VMS in e > print here so0F > we can all share it.  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 5.5.2653.12">d+ <TITLE>RE: Fortune Magazine wrapper</TITLE>s </HEAD>t <BODY>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hear, hear!!&nbsp; I for one am also happy to see VMS =iE in print, been waiting 19-20 years to see it, and I also agree that =vA some attempt is better than none.&nbsp; Thanks for posting this = : information, Sue, and PLEASE continue to do so!</FONT></P>  C <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Don't let a few fuddy-duddies here convince you =  otherwise...</FONT>o </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ron</FONT> </P>  8 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>1 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: Sue Skonetski [<A = I HREF=3D"mailto:susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com">mailto:susan.skonetski@hp.=  nospam.com</A>]</FONT>D <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:43 AM</FONT>8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>D <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: Re: Fortune Magazine wrapper</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>"/ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Dear News Group,</FONT>e <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>CE <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I just want to say something.&nbsp; Maybe I =o just love VMS to much </FONT>o- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; and I am happy</FONT> I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; when ever I see it in print (with the exception =  of large consulting</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; companies who disregard any facts given them =  and use untruths to force</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; trends that they predict).&nbsp; I put things I =  find about VMS in </FONT>i, <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; print here so</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; we can all share it.&nbsp; I sure do not do it =! to make people upset and I</FONT> = <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; apologize if that is the case.</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>0, <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Warm Regards,</FONT>" <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sue</FONT> </P>   </BODY>o </HTML>p) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2478D.324AF810--5   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:47:17 +0100aU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>0) Subject: Re: How to use jar under OpenVMS./ Message-ID: <ajqid3$dp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>?  = I did like the wonderfull spin in the SPECjbb results for thec; ES45. The ES45 apparently has the best performance in the 2c% and 4 processor category for SPECjbb.m  > Good until you realise that SPEC don't have a 2 or 4 processor; category. Reminds me of those best TPC-C performance in the:= 2 processor category claims that Digital used to make for theu 4100.t  $ Up to your old tricks again how sad.   Regards1 Andrew   Main, Kerry wrote:   > Yong,i > F > The latest versions of Java and the release notes for OpenVMS can be > downloaded for free from:D0 > http://www.compaq.com/java/download/index.html > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultantp > Hewlett-Packard Canada# > Consulting & Integration Servicesw > Voice: 613-592-4660o > Fax   : 613-591-4477 > Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com >  >  > -----Original Message------ > From: Yong Liu [mailto:fdu9774@rogers.com]   > Sent: August 8, 2002 9:56 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf' > Subject: How to use jar under OpenVMSm >  >  > Hi,  > J > I have an alpha server running openVMS7.3. My understanding is that JavaE > comes with OS. Normally, you can use jar -cvf  files_to_be_jared to4J > compress you classes for distribution. But I have tried this and it doesF > not work. By now you know that I am a newbie. Can you tell me how to > make this work?h >  > Thanks >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:13:19 +0100yU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>o+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlye0 Message-ID: <ajqqut$3bk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  ? > JF Mezei wrote in message <3D541A44.39D79A05@videotron.ca>...v >  >>Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>G >>>        This is not the month to ask about any US stock as a generalv( >>>        indication of company health. >>>oI >>However, other companies such as SUN and even Microsoft have seen theirs >> > stockd > 0 >>rise in recent days, whilst HP's is stangnant. >> >> > M > Sun is down nearly 40% over the last 3 months, HP is down slightly over 30%eM > and the S&P is down around 20%.  Sun is trading at ~$4.25 and HP is tradingeN > ~$13.75.  HP has nearly twice the market capitalization at ~$27 billion.  WeN > have a 28.9 PE ratio - Sun has no PE until they stop losing money.  HP has a, > 2.4% divedend yield, Sun pays no dividend. >     7 Sun made money last quarter 1 cent a share, not much tot) shout about but what the market expected.o  4 You are however looking at two companies that are at3 very different points in the cycle. Sun has had its 6 very tough period and as the Dataquest and IDC numbers3 now show Sun is gaining market share and quarter on  quarter revenues are up.  - The overhang of surplus equipment from failedF0 dot coms is behind us and Sun has had some major/ wins in its target growth markets, one of which - I was on the winning bid team for. HP and IBM7 being the two who lost out.2  3 Sun  is currnetly the only Enterprise server vendor 5 that is managing quarter on quarter revenue growth int the enterprise server market.w  5 HP has most of its troubles ahead with the merger ands2 with the need to stop the market share and revenue% erosion it is currently experiencing.H  4 In the Wintel space Dell are having a field day with3 HP and in the Enterprise server space HP's revenuese2 are down and market share is also down. This is to1 be expected as a consequence of the merger and to 4 be fair HP/Compaq predicted this in their pre-merger4 filings. However the decline is worse than predicted  and shows no sign of letting up.  3 Incedentally the market is flat so you cannot blamer" HP's decline in the market itself.  2 You don't need a degree in economics to understand2 that with some caveats revenue growth is generally" good and decline is generally bad.   Regardst Andrew Harrisona   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:07:24 GMTr! From: "Derigible" <none@none.com>,+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlya> Message-ID: <wY689.204606$uj.300582@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  # "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"s> <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message* news:ajqqut$3bk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  / > The overhang of surplus equipment from faileds2 > dot coms is behind us and Sun has had some major1 > wins in its target growth markets, one of whichn/ > I was on the winning bid team for. HP and IBMi > being the two who lost out.   1 Um, no, I'd say it was the customer who lost out.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:14:55 +0100fU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>4+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlyi0 Message-ID: <ajquid$4he$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Derigible wrote:  % > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"n@ > <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message, > news:ajqqut$3bk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >  > / >>The overhang of surplus equipment from failedn2 >>dot coms is behind us and Sun has had some major1 >>wins in its target growth markets, one of which / >>I was on the winning bid team for. HP and IBMt >>being the two who lost out.s >> > 3 > Um, no, I'd say it was the customer who lost out.a >  >     3 Really, they are swapping HP-UX and MVS for Solarisu1 seems a very good choice to me and they are happyo as well.   Regardst Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:41:28 -0400s' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>r+ Subject: RE: HP-Compaq Merger Went SmoothlyaT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660931@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew,u  > Back from holidays I guess ? Hadn't seen you here in awhile ..  9 <<< Really, they are swapping HP-UX and MVS for Solaris>>n  H Well, given MVS (now called OS/390 I believe) environments are typicallyF extremely heavy batch environments and given MVS  has extremely strongG clustered batch solutions that can be balanced over multiple servers at A multiple sites (multi-site Parallel Sysplex is similar to OpenVMSnC multi-site clusters), I would love to hear how this aspect is to beP' addressed in this new Solaris solution.e   :-).   Regards-  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanta Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicest Voice: 613-592-4660d Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 7 [mailto:andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com]=20d Sent: August 19, 2002 10:15 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went SmoothlyH         Derigible wrote:  ( > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"=20C > <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message=20t, > news:ajqqut$3bk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >=20 >=20/ >>The overhang of surplus equipment from failede2 >>dot coms is behind us and Sun has had some major1 >>wins in its target growth markets, one of whichs/ >>I was on the winning bid team for. HP and IBMt >>being the two who lost out.  >> >=203 > Um, no, I'd say it was the customer who lost out.  >=20 >=20    3 Really, they are swapping HP-UX and MVS for Solariso1 seems a very good choice to me and they are happyp as well.   Regardse Andrew HarrisonS   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:49:07 GMTt5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>m+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly-2 Message-ID: <Tr889.19$h_5.584751@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message ... >u >c >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:r >e@ >> JF Mezei wrote in message <3D541A44.39D79A05@videotron.ca>... >> >>>Larry Kilgallen wrote:  >>>>H >>>>        This is not the month to ask about any US stock as a general) >>>>        indication of company health.n >>>>J >>>However, other companies such as SUN and even Microsoft have seen their >>>i >> stock >>1 >>>rise in recent days, whilst HP's is stangnant.f >>>a >>>h >>J >> Sun is down nearly 40% over the last 3 months, HP is down slightly over 30%-F >> and the S&P is down around 20%.  Sun is trading at ~$4.25 and HP is tradingdK >> ~$13.75.  HP has nearly twice the market capitalization at ~$27 billion./ WeI >> have a 28.9 PE ratio - Sun has no PE until they stop losing money.  HPo has am- >> 2.4% divedend yield, Sun pays no dividend.p >> >c >r8 >Sun made money last quarter 1 cent a share, not much to* >shout about but what the market expected. >n  L Let's see.  Last year you lost $628 million.  Glad to see you in the black -C but did that include restructuring charges?  Your 3yr income growthh
 is -11.06%  J Since Sun pays no dividend, the only way to measure your performance is onJ stock price, which has some tenuous connection to income, profit and loss.L The unfortunate truth is that stock price is influenced more by the gamblingG pit strategies of traders and short term investors than almost anything: else.2  5 >You are however looking at two companies that are at 4 >very different points in the cycle. Sun has had its7 >very tough period and as the Dataquest and IDC numbers 4 >now show Sun is gaining market share and quarter on >quarter revenues are up." >s  K Hmmm.  Trot out the "soft" marketing numbers.  Everybody has a favorite waym2 to slice and dice them to make things look better.  . >The overhang of surplus equipment from failed1 >dot coms is behind us and Sun has had some majors0 >wins in its target growth markets, one of which. >I was on the winning bid team for. HP and IBM >being the two who lost out. >   J Again, gee - we all can point to large sales that have been made - even in tough times.  Even VMS.s  4 >Sun  is currnetly the only Enterprise server vendor6 >that is managing quarter on quarter revenue growth in >the enterprise server market. >m  H What's your revenue trend over your entire market?  Why slice & dice it?  6 >HP has most of its troubles ahead with the merger and3 >with the need to stop the market share and revenuet& >erosion it is currently experiencing. >e  K Market analyst are we?  Frankly, HP is positioned well to take advantage oflC the current market and the strengths of the new company to create atG fomidable competitor when the market turns around.  Our restructuing isdF around streamlining two companies into a single company, as opposed toH simply trying to stop the bleeding - remember even IBM is laying off 15k, people even without a merger to blame it on.  5 >In the Wintel space Dell are having a field day with 4 >HP and in the Enterprise server space HP's revenues3 >are down and market share is also down. This is to 2 >be expected as a consequence of the merger and to5 >be fair HP/Compaq predicted this in their pre-mergerr5 >filings. However the decline is worse than predicteda! >and shows no sign of letting up.s > 4 >Incedentally the market is flat so you cannot blame# >HP's decline in the market itself.e >n  , Actually, you can pin the lions share on it.  3 >You don't need a degree in economics to understand,3 >that with some caveats revenue growth is generally1# >good and decline is generally bad.u >   H Let's see, your stock value is down some 43% and your last annual incomeJ report showed you lost lots of money.  Your income trend is negative.  YouF are - as the commercial says - trying to put some lipstick on the pig.  K The point of my reply, is that people want to blame the HP stock decline onsB the merger.  I'm pointing out that it isn't necessarily so.  Sun'sL performance can't be blamed on a merger, and just look at it's performance -K and let's skip the "market share" hand waving (where everyone can carve out-L their numbers they like) - look at the actual important numbers like profit, loss, income and stock price.   E And HP isn't doing that bad, cetainly no worse than Sun (and arguably H better).  HP is suffering like the rest of us through a down market, theD important thing is how well we are positioned after it turns around.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 11:06:12 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)w+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly 3 Message-ID: <f+3H7eYXtCob@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  j In article <Tr889.19$h_5.584751@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: > 8 > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message ...   > 4 >>You don't need a degree in economics to understand4 >>that with some caveats revenue growth is generally$ >>good and decline is generally bad. >> > J > Let's see, your stock value is down some 43% and your last annual incomeL > report showed you lost lots of money.  Your income trend is negative.  YouH > are - as the commercial says - trying to put some lipstick on the pig. > M > The point of my reply, is that people want to blame the HP stock decline on D > the merger.  I'm pointing out that it isn't necessarily so.  Sun'sN > performance can't be blamed on a merger, and just look at it's performance -M > and let's skip the "market share" hand waving (where everyone can carve out N > their numbers they like) - look at the actual important numbers like profit, > loss, income and stock price.1 > G > And HP isn't doing that bad, cetainly no worse than Sun (and arguablynJ > better).  HP is suffering like the rest of us through a down market, theF > important thing is how well we are positioned after it turns around. >     B 	That and the fact that Sun was "the Bomb in Dot Com".  Obviously,E 	that commercial isn't running any more.  As incidental evidence, theeB 	telcom sector collapsed as their run-up in build-out of bandwidth= 	was based on 1000% annual growth in Internet usage which hasI> 	dramatically slowed down.  Today it is estimated their may beC 	a 7 year supply of extra kit in the field (see today's Wall Street;G 	for a great overview of the telcom collaps).  Since Sun was the major  I 	supplier for kit to all the Internet startups, they got hit the hardest.T  B 	This is very analagous to the days of radio (as another excellentB 	Wall Street article pointed out).  Back in the day, tons of folksA 	jumped into radio.  By the time the shakeout was done, few were /E 	standing, RCA the most notable, GE,  and other companies long since oF 	faded.  I'm sure many tube manufacturers shut down in that timeframe H 	as the  industry consolidated around a few big companies and the growth= 	and sales in tubes tailed off.  Not a perfect analogy by any<	 	stretch.   B 	Sun being a one-trick-pony sure isn't helping.  Their collapse inB 	workstations is pretty obvious as Fred alludes to.. their overallH 	collapse is reflected in their stock price, their revenue growth (NOT!)0 	and their profits over the last 9 months or so.   					Rob  N "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persistsJ  in trying to adapt the world to himself.  Therefore all progress depends 3   on the unreasonable man." --George Bernard Shaw  N   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:05:58 +0100EU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> + Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went SmoothlyT0 Message-ID: <ajr8j4$7qb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  8 > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message ... >  >> >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >> >>@ >>>JF Mezei wrote in message <3D541A44.39D79A05@videotron.ca>... >>>n >>>N >>>>Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>>> >>>>H >>>>>       This is not the month to ask about any US stock as a general) >>>>>       indication of company health.t >>>>>; >>>>>tK >>>>However, other companies such as SUN and even Microsoft have seen their< >>>> >>>> >>>stock >>>& >>>e2 >>>>rise in recent days, whilst HP's is stangnant. >>>> >>>> >>>>J >>>Sun is down nearly 40% over the last 3 months, HP is down slightly over >>>> > 30%I > F >>>and the S&P is down around 20%.  Sun is trading at ~$4.25 and HP is >>>E	 > tradingu > K >>>~$13.75.  HP has nearly twice the market capitalization at ~$27 billion.  >>>- > We > I >>>have a 28.9 PE ratio - Sun has no PE until they stop losing money.  HPr >>>  > has as > - >>>2.4% divedend yield, Sun pays no dividend.m >>>u >>>: >>9 >>Sun made money last quarter 1 cent a share, not much tow+ >>shout about but what the market expected.f >> >> > N > Let's see.  Last year you lost $628 million.  Glad to see you in the black -E > but did that include restructuring charges?  Your 3yr income growtha > is -11.06% > L > Since Sun pays no dividend, the only way to measure your performance is onL > stock price, which has some tenuous connection to income, profit and loss.N > The unfortunate truth is that stock price is influenced more by the gamblingI > pit strategies of traders and short term investors than almost anything  > else.M >     / Which is of course why Sun's stock is currentlya1 at 4-5 dollars rather than 20. We had 15 years of 0 profit and revenue growth followed by 2 quarters of revenue declines and losses.a  0 2-3 quarters of revenue growth and profitability. and all the analysts that advised selling your. stock have forgotten their previous advice and are advocating buying.  . It has as you say little or nothing to do with" the fundamentals of your business.  - Now if you arn't Enron you are in business toa+ generate revenue and profits. HP's revenuese. are declining, both in the PC space and in the) Enterprise Server space, however much yout. spin declining revenues particularly when your, competitors are increasing revenues are bad.  /  From a simple bottom line standpoint continuedo/ revenue declines will mean more expense cutting / which will include restructuring this in itself1- is a vicious circle. Unless you want to annoyo. your shareholders by not giving them a return.         > 6 >>You are however looking at two companies that are at5 >>very different points in the cycle. Sun has had itsK8 >>very tough period and as the Dataquest and IDC numbers5 >>now show Sun is gaining market share and quarter on: >>quarter revenues are up. >> >> > M > Hmmm.  Trot out the "soft" marketing numbers.  Everybody has a favorite way.4 > to slice and dice them to make things look better. >  >       3 Are you suggesting that the quarterly sales numbersy0 that HP supply Dataquest and IDC are incorrect ?  3 Since that is what the "soft" numbers are based on.g    / >>The overhang of surplus equipment from failedn2 >>dot coms is behind us and Sun has had some major1 >>wins in its target growth markets, one of which~/ >>I was on the winning bid team for. HP and IBMs >>being the two who lost out.o >> >> > L > Again, gee - we all can point to large sales that have been made - even in > tough times.  Even VMS.  >     : So why is your market share and overal revenue declining ?  : Its hard for everyone we all know that, but if you execute7 as well as your competition then you will lose some ands6 you will also win some. The market share numbers based8 on your sales figures show that you are losing more than you are winning.     > 5 >>Sun  is currnetly the only Enterprise server vendor 7 >>that is managing quarter on quarter revenue growth in  >>the enterprise server market.t >> >> > J > What's your revenue trend over your entire market?  Why slice & dice it? >     / That is our entire market excluding Sun's Linuxe server revenue numbers.e     > 7 >>HP has most of its troubles ahead with the merger andt4 >>with the need to stop the market share and revenue' >>erosion it is currently experiencing.e >> >> > M > Market analyst are we?  Frankly, HP is positioned well to take advantage ofeE > the current market and the strengths of the new company to create ahI > fomidable competitor when the market turns around.  Our restructuing ismH > around streamlining two companies into a single company, as opposed toJ > simply trying to stop the bleeding - remember even IBM is laying off 15k. > people even without a merger to blame it on. >  > 6 >>In the Wintel space Dell are having a field day with5 >>HP and in the Enterprise server space HP's revenuesn4 >>are down and market share is also down. This is to3 >>be expected as a consequence of the merger and to 6 >>be fair HP/Compaq predicted this in their pre-merger6 >>filings. However the decline is worse than predicted" >>and shows no sign of letting up. >>5 >>Incedentally the market is flat so you cannot blameN$ >>HP's decline in the market itself. >> >> > . > Actually, you can pin the lions share on it. >  > 4 >>You don't need a degree in economics to understand4 >>that with some caveats revenue growth is generally$ >>good and decline is generally bad. >> >> > J > Let's see, your stock value is down some 43% and your last annual incomeL > report showed you lost lots of money.  Your income trend is negative.  YouH > are - as the commercial says - trying to put some lipstick on the pig. > M > The point of my reply, is that people want to blame the HP stock decline oncD > the merger.  I'm pointing out that it isn't necessarily so.  Sun'sN > performance can't be blamed on a merger, and just look at it's performance -M > and let's skip the "market share" hand waving (where everyone can carve out N > their numbers they like) - look at the actual important numbers like profit, > loss, income and stock price.s >     > I think you missunderstand my point. In my opinion and this is= only mine and not Sun's your stock is over valued. The mergernB is not even close to working itself out, for example except in theA PC space for example HP still basically produces all the productspA it did before the merger was announced. There has been no productt- line rationalisation in the server space yet.r  = The revenue declines you have seen so far are probably mostly2; customer sentiment not the fact that they can no longer buyu1 the product range that they used to buy from you.-  : Wait for that before announcing that the merger has been a sucess..    G > And HP isn't doing that bad, cetainly no worse than Sun (and arguablylJ > better).  HP is suffering like the rest of us through a down market, theF > important thing is how well we are positioned after it turns around. >     @ But the enteprise server market numbers are flat they arn't down but your are down.  B In the PC market the whole market is down but your revenue decline is twice the overall market.  @ This isn't "doing to bad" and is isn't performing as well as the market.   C You seem to have forgotten that for the HP-Compaq merger to be seen @ as a sucess you have to come out of it with the combined company> being the sum of the parts less ~5%. At the moment the jury is definitely out on this.p   Regards- Andrew Harrisong     >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:12:41 -0400n2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlyr. Message-ID: <3D612709.21CF2A2D@mindspring.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:  2 > Well, given MVS (now called OS/390 I believe)...  . Add another "now called". It's now called z/OS1 (or some punctuation/capitalization of that). Butr* I'll bet most folks still call it MVS. :-)   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:35:28 +0100oU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>tI Subject: Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?0/ Message-ID: <ajql7e$rf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>V  ) http://java.sun.com/getjava/download.htmle  % This gets you the java plugin for XP.e     Regardsi Andrew Harrison-   Jason Winters wrote:  > > I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions? >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:36:02 -05009, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov>I Subject: Re: I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions?e+ Message-ID: <ajr6pv$a8q$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>4  J I have not tried Sun's plugin myself, but I have read a lot of comments onK another newsgroup that it is noticeably bigger and slower than Microsoft's,iI and on machines with just enough memory to run Microsoft's VM acceptably,nL Sun's VM can be unacceptably slow.  What I remember from the discussion is aE tradeoff between Sun's VM being current and having more features, andvF Microsoft's VM being out of date and missing features, but smaller andI faster.  We can hope that Sun's developers are improving its performance.   H Microsoft's Java on XP page at http://www.microsoft.com/java/xp.htm saysC they removed it from their web site on July 10, 2002 and it will be K available for XP only on the SP1 CD, not as a part of the SP1 web download. I If you want Microsoft's VM on XP and do not already have it, you have twoaG choices -- install Windows 2000 or less with IE <6 and the VM, and thentB upgrade it to XP and IE 6; or wait for the SP1 CD later this year.  L Sun's VM and enough memory to run it can be made the desktop standard withinL a corporate environment, but as long as Microsoft only distributes an old VML with no plans to make it current, applet developers must limit themselves toL what Microsoft's old VM can do or exclude almost all Internet clientele from their web sites.  I One might debate whether Sun or Microsoft is more pig-headed, stupid, and H uncaring of how much damage they do to their customers in their asinine,L totally pointless war over zero incremental revenue from Java VMs, but let's just call it a tie.t  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541" scandora@cmt.anl.gov  # "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"a> <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message) news:ajql7e$rf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...h+ > http://java.sun.com/getjava/download.htmli >t' > This gets you the java plugin for XP.s >  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew HarrisonM >b > Jason Winters wrote: > @ > > I need to get a copy of Microsoft VM for xp any suggestions? > >- > >  > >o > >i >.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 07:38:51 -0700% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips)vI Subject: Re: Licenses (was Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha]...))r< Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0208190638.714a570@posting.google.com>  d > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D5B018D.FDD998AC@fsi.net>...@ > Did you happen to save any o fthr URL's along the way? FindingI > *ANY*thing on the Q's website was always a minor miracle. It would havea' > been nice to document the difficulty.e  E From the openvms.compaq.com home page, choose "Buying Assistance" in iE the leftmost column under "How to Buy", then on the next page at the oE bottom you'll find the "OpenVMS Software Catalog" which takes you to g> a menu page with pretty graphics whose URL is (are you ready?)  (     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/swcat/  @ and were I a Brit, I'd say "and Bob's your Uncle" but since I'm C not I won't. Seems obvious after you find it, but I agree with you;qB It took me a lot of fishing & searching to un-obscure the obvious.    -DLPr  0 ------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:25:07 +0100i From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.comL Subject: Memo:  Re: Charon-VAX (was: [VAX] VMS to [Alpha] OpenVMS conversionE Message-ID: <OF74AF9E23.10F5D557-ON80256C1A.0048AFCE@systems.uk.hsbc>   J There is a problem with the Alpha version though - it is (according to theJ figures from SRI) grossly under performing when compared to the Window(TM)J version. The calculation supplied gives 0.9 vups / 100MHz on an Alpha chipH vs. 2.9 Vups/100MHz on AMD chips.( Intel is 1.9). The accompanying chart4 shows about 12 Vups (roughly a 4500) on a 1GHz EV68.I The only explanation offered was that SRI chose to optimise for Intel/AMDsH chips rather than Alpha which, from their perspective is probably a goodH choice however from here sort of killed any ambitions we had  to replace 76xx boxes the easy way.     Paul        ' ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **o  D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleasecB  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
  your system.r  =  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure orrA  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost,H>  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context ofa?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.a   D  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office e=  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly nA  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so  3  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.   D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:16:20 +0200 % From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>d Subject: Re: MntVerifyTimeout ? . Message-ID: <ajqujm$a97$1@info.service.rug.nl>  : "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message =$ news:3D5D9225.7040506@qsl.network...F > In the SYSHUTDWN.COM file for the node that is being shutdown put=20@ > something like the following, assuming the node name is VAXNOD >=20# > $mcr sysman/environment=3DclustertI > $do if f$edit(f$getsyi("NODENAME"),"UPCASE,TRIM") .nes. "VAXNOD" THEN =m -  >    dismount vaxnode$disk1:I > $do if f$edit(f$getsyi("NODENAME"),"UPCASE,TRIM") .nes. "VAXNOD" THEN =s -a >    dismount vaxnode$disk2: >=20F > I use SYSMAN instead of /cluster so that the dismount will not be=20J > aborted if the node being shutdown has a page file or other installed=20F > image that prevents a local dismount at the time that SYSHUTDWN is = run.  ( I don't understand why you need this.=20B If the system is shut down only for an immediate reboot, why would/ you want to go through a cluster-wide dismount?d; If you shutdown for a longer period, use the REMOVE option;tA the local disks will then be dismounted at other cluster nodes byh  the standard shutdown procedure.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 18:41:10 +0200a From: holitska_a@removehomo-togetvalide-mailhomo-ludens.elte.hu (Holi - Holitska Andrs) + Subject: Re: Monitor record format questionh! Message-ID: <ercSV6mYNJXg@ludens>d   In article <craigberry-AED0B2.09160916082002@news.directvinternet.com>, "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> writes: # > In article <ieOWx8zCzrcQ@ludens>,.F >  holitska_a@removehomo-togetvalide-mailhomo-ludens.elte.hu " >  (Holi - Holitska Andrs) wrote: > ! >>   1 byte:          Record TypeR5 >>   up to 256 bytes: Filename (counted ASCII string)t > 8 >>   Now, I understand, how I'm supposed to find out how< >>   long a filename is, but I don't know how many filenames >>   I've got. > F > A "counted ASCII string" has the length in the first byte so you'll I > know how long each filename is when you come to it and when you get to h? > the end of the record then you'll know there aren't any more.t  A   Thanks, that helped. I wasn't aware of the fact, that I have toK   read the file in record mode.i   Thanks again, bye:  <Holi>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:04:22 +0100n( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>  Subject: Re: New missive from HP) Message-ID: <3D60B496.3BEB1CCC@127.0.0.1>o   JF Mezei wrote:a > M > It is ironic that when Compaq bought Digital, some of its Armani consultant O > told it to shed the "Digital" trademark ASAP because it was a hindrance. Yet,iM > I think that today, "Digital" would have much better image than "Compaq" int4 > terms of image with regards to enterprise systems.  D I agree; I think it would be better to see "Digital, part of the newD HP", the name Compaq does little for the greatness that lies within.  E Again it comes down to marketing and perceptions. The name digital isaF not forgotten, it is still known what they stood for, sort of. I'm not1 going to state the glaringly obvious about the C.    Personal opinion, as ever. --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesr nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:57:45 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>d Subject: NewHp & VMS Licensing8 Message-ID: <Ci389.690$_75.301924@news20.bellglobal.com>   FYI,  L On Wednesday morning I ordered an OpenVMS license from HP in Toronto. Fed ExB delivered it Friday afternoon and I installed it with no problems.  J However, inspection of the shipping documents and invoice was interesting.D The certificate was produced by Compaq Computer International in theI Netherlands on Thursday, imported into Massachusessets (there are customsyL documents that say so), then exported to Canada. I had always heard that VMSL was getting popular in Europe but didn't think it would ever become licensed from "over there" :-)o   :-)u  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,s Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/e   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 08:16:06 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: NewHp & VMS Licensing3 Message-ID: <reRB8rc0W4se@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  d In article <Ci389.690$_75.301924@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > FYI, > N > On Wednesday morning I ordered an OpenVMS license from HP in Toronto. Fed ExD > delivered it Friday afternoon and I installed it with no problems. > L > However, inspection of the shipping documents and invoice was interesting.F > The certificate was produced by Compaq Computer International in theK > Netherlands on Thursday, imported into Massachusessets (there are customstN > documents that say so), then exported to Canada. I had always heard that VMSN > was getting popular in Europe but didn't think it would ever become licensed > from "over there" :-)a  9 They have folks in the Netherlands who speak Canadian :-)o  C Seriously, it might have to do with tariffs and some European UnionoI regulation about exporting things from Europe rather than just importing.gG The nice thing about a PAK factory is minimal investment is required inC heavy equipment.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:33:48 +0200o9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>n" Subject: Re: NewHp & VMS Licensing& Message-ID: <3D60F3BC.79519AA@aaa.com>  8 It would be sufficient to install a "PAK-printer", not ?- And having someone putting it in an envelope.e  A So, the person ordering the PAK at his/her terminal/PC could justo< as well be sitting in the US, but the PAK gets counted as an9 "export" from the EU just becouse it was *printed* there.l   Well, well :-)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.s     Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  > E > Seriously, it might have to do with tariffs and some European UnionyK > regulation about exporting things from Europe rather than just importing. I > The nice thing about a PAK factory is minimal investment is required ing > heavy equipment.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:10:45 +0200y7 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com>i" Subject: RE: NewHp & VMS LicensingO Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C7237@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>i  F I'm living in the netherlands and I'm wondering if order a PAK if it = will come from=20  the USA or Canada.=20l   -----Original Message-----/ From: Jan-Erik S=F6derholm [mailto:aaa@aaa.com]e$ Sent: maandag 19 augustus 2002 15:34 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt" Subject: Re: NewHp & VMS Licensing    8 It would be sufficient to install a "PAK-printer", not ?- And having someone putting it in an envelope.e  A So, the person ordering the PAK at his/her terminal/PC could justl< as well be sitting in the US, but the PAK gets counted as an9 "export" from the EU just becouse it was *printed* there.c   Well, well :-)   Jan-Erik S=F6derholm.d     Larry Kilgallen wrote: >=20 >=20E > Seriously, it might have to do with tariffs and some European UnioncB > regulation about exporting things from Europe rather than just =
 importing.H > The nice thing about a PAK factory is minimal investment is required = in > heavy equipment.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:28:07 -0400>; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>o" Subject: RE: NewHp & VMS LicensingK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BE9FC@rlghncst964.usps.gov>c  8 I suspect that corporate taxation is the driving factor ; behind the convoluted pathway as opposed to tariffs betweenw Point A and Point B.  < (After all, that's why we signed a document called the North< American Free Trade Agreement that's over two thousand pages< long- if it were really free trade couldn't they have put it on the front side of one page?)    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----6 From: "Larry Kilgallen" [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]& Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:16 AM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" " Subject: RE: NewHp & VMS Licensing    E In article <Ci389.690$_75.301924@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck"  <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > FYI, >uK > On Wednesday morning I ordered an OpenVMS license from HP in Toronto. Feds ExD > delivered it Friday afternoon and I installed it with no problems. >sL > However, inspection of the shipping documents and invoice was interesting.F > The certificate was produced by Compaq Computer International in theK > Netherlands on Thursday, imported into Massachusessets (there are customs J > documents that say so), then exported to Canada. I had always heard that VMSyE > was getting popular in Europe but didn't think it would ever becomec licensed > from "over there" :-)   9 They have folks in the Netherlands who speak Canadian :-)a  C Seriously, it might have to do with tariffs and some European UnioniI regulation about exporting things from Europe rather than just importing. G The nice thing about a PAK factory is minimal investment is required inn heavy equipment.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:03:20 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o" Subject: Re: NewHp & VMS Licensing, Message-ID: <3D6124D8.3A63883D@videotron.ca>   Neil Rieck wrote:lL > However, inspection of the shipping documents and invoice was interesting.F > The certificate was produced by Compaq Computer International in theK > Netherlands on Thursday, imported into Massachusessets (there are customse2 > documents that say so), then exported to Canada.  0 Has Compaq/HP heard of the information age yet ?  J Digital was able to generate licences in Kanata (Ottawa). Was this ability shut down ?2   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 10:00:30 -0600- From: frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie)e+ Subject: NFS Server configuration questions 3 Message-ID: <VSwdWQoNz9EK@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  I 	I've been fighting with NFS for a couple weeks now, and have managed to  L grind myself down to having specific questions.  I did spend some time last P week on the phone with Software Support, but I don't want to drive them bananas K by continually re-opening the log for each question I come up with.  Also, iL given that I'm sure these are RTFM questions and I don't have a copy of the P TCPIP/UCX manual and I'm getting the 404-file-not-found error when I try to nab = the online version.  First my specifics, then my question(s).a  5 Specifics:  VMS 7.2-1, TCPIP 5.0A - ECO 2, on a DS20E   O Question:  I was browsing through the "Ask the Wizard" archives for All Things  N NFS, and found one very helpful entry.  At the bottom, the Wiz suggests a way  to configure the proxies:o  I >  4: Map the NFS and nobody users, user fred, and map the PC-client user ! >     to an OpenVMS user vmsuser:D >a- >       add proxy ucx$nfs /uid=0/gid=1/host=*i2 >       add proxy ucx$nobody /uid=-2/gid=-2/host=*- >       add proxy fred /uid=100/gid=15/host=*l; >       add proxy vmsuser /uid=nnn /gid=nnn /host="pc.name"j  F 	I understand setting a proxy for nfs and nobody.  Why do you need to N set one for "fred" AND some user "vmsuser"?  It seems that "vmsuser" is meant P to be a template/example, but he specifies it so I don't think he means it that , way.  I would think "fred" *IS* the vmsuser.H 	Also, I halfway understand the use of the gid/uid.  Is it correct that F when the pc user maps to the fileshare, typing a username/password to L authenticate with NFS, that his communication stream then uses that uid/gid L pair to access the data?  Are there any tips for assigning those other than H keeping them unique?  For example, should they all be in the same group?F 	In my case, the pc users are not also VMS users.  It's also a closed N system.  Would it still be terrible in terms of security to just make all the O pc users authenticate as Nobody?  Do I REALLY need to have a proxy for each pc?oF 	Also, in some version of UCX there is apparently a command to change C the value of the cache timer:  sysconfig -r nfs tcp_idle_timeout=30tP Coworkers who've done this before tell me this works, but I haven't found it to N work on any of the versions of UCX I've been fighting with.  (5.0A, 5.1)  The N cache timer is apparently set high and causes a problem for our application.  J Is there any way to change it with another command if this one won't work?F 	Thanks for any help you can offer.  This has turned into the Project  From Hell.  :-)c   Sharon   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:12:11 GMTt. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Re: OT: UK Universities2 Message-ID: <fT089.6405$y71.148671@news.chello.at>  \ In article <3D6015A8.2781@rswheeldon.com>, Richard Wheeldon <richard@rswheeldon.com> writes: >Fabio Cardoso wrote: 3 >> I am really thinking to go to Europe - even with  >> the floods - after October. >-2 >Just remember to go somewhere with hills then ;-)   Yes, to get avalanches...o  E In times of increasing environment problems you need luck to find theM8 least harmful places on earth. Vienna is one of them ;-)   -- i Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERd% Network and OpenVMS system specialistr E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:06:30 +0000 (UTC) % From: John Forkosh <john@invalid.com>e7 Subject: Re: Procedure to enlarge system name required. , Message-ID: <ajqjfm$kbv$1@reader2.panix.com>  - Johno <johnellicottington@lycos.co.uk> wrote:m0 : JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: : > Johno wrote: : > >  : > > Hi : > > J : > > Could someone show me how write a dcl routine that will read the vmsF : > > system name and then output it to the screen enlarged, say 6 x 6J : > > characters in size. What I would also like is if the system name is,G : > > say, VMSSYS then the first enlarged letter is made up of V's, the  : > > second of M's and so on. : >  : > $myname = "VMSSYS" : > $ESCAPE[0,8] = 27 ( : > $write sys$output escape,"#3",myname( : > $write sys$output escape,"#4",myname : > F : > ESCAPE #3 writes the top half of a double width double height lineI : > ESCAPE #4 writes the bottom half of double width, double height line.l : > < : > ESCAPE #5 will write a double width, single height line.   : Thanks for the reply.f :iH : What I had hoped was that the output on the screen would be duplicatedD : on the la70 console printer but this solution does not produce theG : desired result. The double height screen display is not reproduced on4E : the printer so I imagine its back to trying to find a dcl solution.oD : Other solutions suggested incorporating other programming language= : routines within the dcl command procedure, are there systemk  : requirements for this to work?  8 No other requirements for figlet.c besides a C compiler., Then you have to set a foreign command, like3 $ figlet :== $disk:[]figlet.exe   in the usual way,*4 so you can pass it command-line arguments (that will< be eaten by sys$system:run.exe if you just $run figlet.exe).4      I'm not sure what, if anything, is required for: banner.pl, as suggested by John Santos (heck, I'm not even sure where his post went to).  -- c> John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:04:03 GMT + From: "Steinar Botten" <sbo@satcom.nera.no>e7 Subject: Re: Reading a backup set from a ISO-9660 disk?c3 Message-ID: <Dg489.461$67l.170374144@news.telia.no>o  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:GhH$DcW9yBj9@eisner.encompasserve.org...tF > In article <7k779.439$67l.179105792@news.telia.no>, "Steinar Botten" <sbo@satcom.nera.no> writes:D > > Is it possible to make BACKUP read a backup set directly from an ISO-9660D > > CD> $ MOUNT DKA400:/OVERRIDE=IDENTIFICATION/MEDIA_FORMAT=CDROM -  > /UNDEFINED_FAT=FIXED:NONE:9216 > E > (presuming the default block size was used to create the save set).t  H Yep, that did the trick (the backup set had been created on disk, so the block size was 32256).J It would seem that the default block size varies - this is what I found on our local systems (tape/disk): VMS 5.5:
 8464/32528   VMS 6.2/7.1/7.3:
 8192/32256   Thanks for helping!n   Steinarr   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 00:17:21 -07002 From: vankirk@decision.quest.gr (Stewart Van Kirk)M Subject: Re: REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION - DECCXX 6.5 UNREACHABLE CODE WARNINGSf< Message-ID: <8843e43.0208182317.2166ca28@posting.google.com>  _ "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message news:<3D5D2B58.3040902@qsl.network>...m > <snip>G > sizeof() is evaluated at compile time.  Therefore the code path that I > follows will never change. > J > So the compiler knows that it does not need to generate code for one of I > the conditions, hence the informational messages that some of the code g > is not needed.  A OK, I accept that because I'm using the pragma to define specificY+ instances of the template, e.g. T=char [1].y   > F > In the #ifdef GOOD case, no diagnostic is generated because it is a  > single expression.   OK, I'll accept that too.u   <snip>  C Would you have an insight as to why the compiler does not issue thekE same warnings in the other two cases, BAD and UGLY?  The UGLY case isd@ especially perplexing because the code is modified in a separateD control flow path; as such, I would not expect any difference in the compiler output.  	 Thanks,S.H   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:06:19 GMTD' From: shawnm@cotepe.carenet.org (Shawn)r" Subject: Setting Terminal Sessions. Message-ID: <3d60fb04.11081113@news.verio.net>  : I have an Alpha DS20E running OpenVms 7.2-1 and TCPIP 5.0a  C I seem to remember that there is a way to allow the total number of.* Telnet Sessions to the server, am I wrong?  ( If there is, can someone give me a hand?     Thanks,b   Shawn Malone   sfm1115@bjc.orgg   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:13:15 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>v& Subject: Re: Setting Terminal Sessions' Message-ID: <3D60FCFB.25534E36@aaa.com>    Maybe :w  # $ TCPIP SET SERVICE telnet /LIMIT=n    ??   Jan-Erik Sderholm.h   Shawn wrote: > < > I have an Alpha DS20E running OpenVms 7.2-1 and TCPIP 5.0a > E > I seem to remember that there is a way to allow the total number of , > Telnet Sessions to the server, am I wrong? > * > If there is, can someone give me a hand? > 	 > Thanks,0 >  > Shawn Malone >  > sfm1115@bjc.org>   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:39:02 GMT04 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>& Subject: Re: Setting Terminal Sessions0 Message-ID: <3D610FC9.55BFA7F3@blueyonder.co.uk>   Shawn wrote: > < > I have an Alpha DS20E running OpenVms 7.2-1 and TCPIP 5.0a > E > I seem to remember that there is a way to allow the total number of , > Telnet Sessions to the server, am I wrong? > * > If there is, can someone give me a hand?  . $ TCPIP set service telnet/limit=max_sessions   Q will get you started. You probably have to restart the service for the parametersgQ to take effect. You may need to set this in the permanent as well as the volatileo database (/perm, /system?).v  = Sorry its a bit vague, I have no privd vms access at present.N   regardsk    r   -- a tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk e  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Aug 2002 11:43:29 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)1 Subject: Re: TS10/VAX Updates - DELQA now worked.n6 Message-ID: <ajqll1$1cqirq$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  ' In article <3D60375B.D2F6BD0C@aaa.com>,e) 	Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  >  >  > Kevin Monceaux wrote:p >> o; >> ...and set up a print queue to print to a Linux attacheddL >> printer.  Anyone know if there are any howto's written on these subjects?L >> I think I've found all the info I need to set up DECwindows but I haven't5 >> started digging for info on printing to Linux yet.  > = > Well, if you use plain-old LPD printing, it shoudn't matterr) > that is a Linux box at the other side,     Actually, it might.r  A >                                          as long as it has a LP-A > deamon running. Sheck the TCP/IP Services docs on printing, and  > setup of LPD in particular.l  < My experience has been that Linux in its desire to re-invent> the wheel (badly) has created an incompatable LPR/LPD system. ? I have run into other systems that while talking with real Unix>A machines OK are unable to exchange print jobs in either directioni with Linux boxes.   > Just a heads up.  If you set it all up and it doesn't work, it= may not be anything you did wrong.  It may be something Linuxu
 did wrong.   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2002 08:10:33 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)kM Subject: Unreadable VMS Testimonial Brochures (was: Fortune Magazine wrapper)w3 Message-ID: <41bY8GNEg1Jj@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660927@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:  H > As a fyi, and keeping in mind that it's only a start, but I'm not sureJ > if you and others have seen the following recent testimonials for HP and > OpenVMS, but just in case-  J > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/indiarr/ (India Railways > fault tolerant solution)  I I only looked at that one, and it looks pretty horrible in Netscape 4.77.n  G Feeding that URL to http://validator.w3.org/ I cannot even get it close  to a passing grade.t  F I realize this is not your doing, Kerry, but perhaps you could feed it- back to those responsible for such brochures.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:51:01 +0200 1 From: Franz-Josef Fornefeld <jo.fornefeld@gmx.de>t( Subject: Re: [OT] (really?) For Terry S.( Message-ID: <ajqf26.340.1@jo.dyndns.org>   Didier Morandi wrote:    > Hans Vlems wrote:q >> >> <WG>- >- > Uberzetzung bitte ?-   Wicked Grin (I guess).   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:02:28 GMTi1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>2( Subject: Re: [OT] (really?) For Terry S.? Message-ID: <8M789.172064$sA3.241845@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   > "Franz-Josef Fornefeld" <jo.fornefeld@gmx.de> wrote in message" news:ajqf26.340.1@jo.dyndns.org... > Didier Morandi wrote:d >o > > Hans Vlems wrote:e > >>	 > >> <WG>9 > >s > > Uberzetzung bitte ?V >M > Wicked Grin (I guess).  K Wouldn't surprise me. Wicked grins and Usenet slurs (which a wicked grin isnK not, of course) are part and parcel of this business. Beats the hell out ofnL getting shot at, rocketed, and mortared by Luke the Gook over in Viet Nam 30
 years ago.  
 Keep Smiling,    terry so   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:14:15 +0200k$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>> Subject: Re: [very OT] Fund transfer spam: where is the issue?* Message-ID: <00A12B34.B0B401CA.4@decus.de>   Didier Morandi wrote:r  ! > Got this today. What is behind?  > 	 > [quote]a > Subject: GBADAMOSI' > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:42:43 -0700e5 > From: "MR ABIODUN GBADAMOSI" <gbadamosi2@email.com>e > CC:   easycad@free.fr0 > M > I am Mr abiodun gbadamosi, Bank Manager of chartered Bank, Lagos, Nigeria. :  	 [snipped]L  7 I got a similar mail. Just to quote a short part of it:E  J > I KNOW THIS EMAIL WILL REACH YOU AS A SURPRISE, BUT NEED NOT TO WORRY ASI > WE ARE USING THE ONLY SECURED AND CONFIDENTIAL MEDIUM AVAILABLE TO SEEKnJ > FOR FOREIGN ASSISTANCE/PARTNERSHIP IN A BUSINESS TRANSACTION WHICH IS OF > MUTUAL BENEFIT.   O The internet being "the only secured and confidential medium available" ... :-)c   Michaely   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.456 ************************om: "Larry Kilgallen" [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]& Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:16 AM To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" " Subject: RE: NewHp & VMS Licensing    E In article <Ci389.690$_75.301924@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck"  <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > FYI, >uK > On Wednesday morning I ordered an OpenVMS license from HP in Toronto. Feds ExD > delivered it Friday afternoon פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    פ    