1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 25 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 467       Contents:O Re: Another conversion to MS Windows horror story - SC Dept. of Motor  Vehicles O Re: Another conversion to MS Windows horror story - SC Dept. of Motor  Vehicles ' Re: High quality of HP Software support 2 Re: Java plugin performance for interactive applet PGP assets (mostly) sold by NAI . Re: Procedure to enlarge system name required.. Re: Procedure to enlarge system name required." Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week  Re: Size of logical name table ? SYS$EXAMPLES:ADDUSER.COM Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:ADDUSER.COM  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:14:47 GMT , From: "R. Srinivasan" <r.srinivasan@cox.net>X Subject: Re: Another conversion to MS Windows horror story - SC Dept. of Motor  Vehicles6 Message-ID: <HWQ99.9609$082.489646@news1.east.cox.net>  L Anybody noticed that the Smithsonian Museams in DC are all running NT ServerH (!)s on the Sales counters. Guess what -- everytime I go to one of theseG places, there is always a breakdown (Have seen at least 3 in the past 6 K months.) Of course the counters are only for specialist shows like the EMAX H theater etc. and the queues and buildups there are not noticed -- except when you are waiting there.     , "Ray" <r_tim@bellsouth.net> wrote in message' news:3D67B44A.C68FF96A@bellsouth.net... H > South Carolina just converted their Department of Motor Vehicles to MSI > Windows.  The result has been lines so long that the governor has given H > a 30 day extension on getting anything done there.  The Highway patrolI > has been blocked from doing Name look-ups since it brings the system to I > a halt.  It crashes so frequently that most often law enforcement can't < > get any information at all, putting their lives in danger. > > > Don't know what they used before, but they had VT terminals. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 01:34:11 GMT , From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>X Subject: Re: Another conversion to MS Windows horror story - SC Dept. of Motor  Vehicles= Message-ID: <nuW99.17914$iX4.629466@twister.southeast.rr.com>    Did you read that somewhere?   --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.org       , "Ray" <r_tim@bellsouth.net> wrote in message' news:3D67B44A.C68FF96A@bellsouth.net... H > South Carolina just converted their Department of Motor Vehicles to MSI > Windows.  The result has been lines so long that the governor has given H > a 30 day extension on getting anything done there.  The Highway patrolI > has been blocked from doing Name look-ups since it brings the system to I > a halt.  It crashes so frequently that most often law enforcement can't < > get any information at all, putting their lives in danger. > > > Don't know what they used before, but they had VT terminals. >    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2002 02:01:58 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>0 Subject: Re: High quality of HP Software support- Message-ID: <87d6s8b0fd.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ) "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:   C > I have always thought this topic of "so what does good service in B > the support area really mean?" might be a great topic for a book> > .. Not necessarily just VMS, but service support in general.   B > Any takers ... Great number of stories could likely be collected > right here on comp.os.vms ..   (Alan will know who this was)   B I had just finished a new RSX SYSGEN, and it crashed and burned in= SAVe :( At 2am Sat. CSC would be no use, so I rang Spitbrook.   C "Ah, hell, I thought I fixed that!" Well, it turns out he had, then B there was an unfix added the next day. It was specific to an 11/44 with 128MB of memory.   / An hour later, all is worked around, and happy.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:37:57 -0500 ( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>; Subject: Re: Java plugin performance for interactive applet , Message-ID: <3D6818D5.8070805@speakeasy.net>   Keith A. Lewis wrote:  > jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes in article <cc5619f2.0208140731.1e63981a@posting.google.com> dated 14 Aug 2002 08:31:46 -0700: > C >>So: is it possible the first client is doing 'something wrong' in D >>requesting input that is causing the high CPU and BIO usage, sinceH >>Powerterm, providing much the same fuctionality, has neither problem? F >>Or is it an issue with the current plug-in not being ready for primeE >>time?  Both the custom client and Powerterm Java work well under IE G >>5.5 with Java, and under IE and Netscape 6.2 on a Mac, so at least it C >>doesn't appear to be caused by writing to the MS-bastardized Java 
 >>changes. >  > J > I'm nowhere near enough of a Java expert to solve this, but since nobody6 > else is saying anything I'll throw in some thoughts. > N > Comparing PC-native and Mac-native versions of Java to X-windows versions isM > not fair.  .....Try displaying VMS Java on Linux and Linux Java on VMS.  If F > one of those makes the problem go away you have another clue.  ..... > N > Also, are you using the "local" Decwindows transport?  In my experience it'sL > pretty wimpy.  We have solved console X-windows problems with "SET DISPLAYG > /CREATE/TRANS=TCPIP hostname".  It comes disabled (on the console) by I > default.  Edit SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM if you haven't 
 > already. > - > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org @ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.  G Thanks for taking the time to respond.  I'm not certain I'd be able to  B get a linux box up here on short notice, but I will try the TCPIP I transport if possible; the system is running local right now.  What made  ? the problem difficult was that one of the two terminal clients  F (Powerterm), while still flakey, did not bog down the workstation and I generate massive I/O rates doing essentially the same thing as the other  H client, which is why I wondered if it might be an issue with the second ; program's methods, as opposed to a Java issue on my system.   E I'm also digging up the various DECwindows performance articles from  G DSNlink and online to see if there's something useful there, but as is  D usually the case when I start having fun experimenting with my home < systems, it gets squashed by workload, so it may be a while.   Rich Jordan    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:18:10 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: PGP assets (mostly) sold by NAIF Message-ID: <Cur99.9965$qn5.1655@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Of interest to some here:   / http://www.pgp.com/display.php?pageID=51#anch22   H Now if they can only be convinced to produce a fully supported 'business+ server' version for VMS since NAI wouldn't.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Aug 2002 17:32:40 -0700, From: johnellicottington@lycos.co.uk (Johno)7 Subject: Re: Procedure to enlarge system name required. = Message-ID: <6141fd50.0208241632.6331228b@posting.google.com>   ` JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D605225.19D94A1@videotron.ca>... > Johno wrote:J > > What I had hoped was that the output on the screen would be duplicatedF > > on the la70 console printer but this solution does not produce the > > desired result.  > M > LA70 doesn't have double height characters. But if you set the spacing to 5 G > characters per inch instead of 10, they magically become double width M > characters :-)  (At least on the LA75, I assume the LA70 behaves the same).  > M > Sorry, forgot the magical invocation for setting the pitch to 5 cpi, if you ? > can't find it, let me know and I will retrieve my LA75 book).    JFM   F If you can find the escape sequence for setting and resetting the la70B to the suggested character spacings (5 and 10) I will be grateful.   Thanks   Johno    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 05:35:33 GMT 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>7 Subject: Re: Procedure to enlarge system name required. + Message-ID: <3D689794.1132CD0C@digital.com>   ( From the LA75 Programmer reference card:   Horizontal Pitch  CSI Ps w	 where Ps:          0 or none       10 cpi         1               10 cpi         2               12 cpi          4               16.5 cpi          11              17.1 cpi         5               5 cpi          6               6 cpi           8               8.25 cpi!         12              8.855 cpi         ~Mike    Johno wrote: > b > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D605225.19D94A1@videotron.ca>... > > Johno wrote:L > > > What I had hoped was that the output on the screen would be duplicatedH > > > on the la70 console printer but this solution does not produce the > > > desired result.  > > O > > LA70 doesn't have double height characters. But if you set the spacing to 5 I > > characters per inch instead of 10, they magically become double width O > > characters :-)  (At least on the LA75, I assume the LA70 behaves the same).  > > O > > Sorry, forgot the magical invocation for setting the pitch to 5 cpi, if you A > > can't find it, let me know and I will retrieve my LA75 book).  >  > JFM  > H > If you can find the escape sequence for setting and resetting the la70D > to the suggested character spacings (5 and 10) I will be grateful. >  > Thanks >  > Johno    --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2002 01:28:27 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week - Message-ID: <87hehkb1z8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) writes:   D > You guys will find this amusing.  I'm dating a guy who programs onC > the Windoze platform.  (I know, but he's a sweet guy anyway.)  We F > talk shop alot.  The other day he floored me by implying that my VMSE > systems couldn't run 100 users.  The last time he used VMS was back & > in college on some old slow machine.   > > I can't wait to tie his butt up, plop him down in front of a1 > terminal and teach him what a REAL computer is.    ( > 	...  can't run 100 users... sheesh.    F The <mumble> evening Multi-Trek game that I used to indulge in went toE over 40 players AIR, in 87 or so. On a single 750. Fortunatly by then # it had had the 14MB memory upgrade.   D But the system that took the cake was the 11/24 that was used by theE states secondary student. The guy who ran that had tweeked it and was C running (I think) 128 users doing student BASIC edit/compiles. That  was with RSTS.    ? I have been on the PDP-6, 32 users logged on, 48KW of memory...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:29:51 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> + Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week ' Message-ID: <3D680DDD.8E9AB4C8@fsi.net>    Sharon Guthrie wrote:  > P >         You guys will find this amusing.  I'm dating a guy who programs on theO > Windoze platform.  (I know, but he's a sweet guy anyway.)  We talk shop alot. N > The other day he floored me by implying that my VMS systems couldn't run 100Q > users.  The last time he used VMS was back in college on some old slow machine.  > O >         I can't wait to tie his butt up, plop him down in front of a terminal ( > and teach him what a REAL computer is. > - >         ...  can't run 100 users... sheesh.   H We just had to reboot one of our Alphas at work (an instance on a GS160)G because we needed to increase MAXPROCESSCNT from its then current value  of 800.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:02:32 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ) Subject: Re: Size of logical name table ? ' Message-ID: <3D67E658.5C68BAEC@aaa.com>   6 Yes, I ( as a original poster) thought about that, but: come to the conclusion that translating a logical is still; faster then OPEN, READ/KEY, CLOSE on a indexed file. And I  ) was going for performance in this case...    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Graham Burley wrote:H > I'm suprised nobody suggested making the configuration file an indexedG > file and using READ/KEY rather than a looping scan. This does require H > changes to the way the configuration file is maintained, but it avoidsF > the logical name table creation and update complications and worries) > about the size of the configraton data.  >  > Graham   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Aug 2002 15:58:16 -0700) From: helbig@multivax.de (Phillip Helbig) ! Subject: SYS$EXAMPLES:ADDUSER.COM = Message-ID: <f019af2c.0208241458.746e3962@posting.google.com>   = I used SYS$EXAMPLES:ADDUSER.COM today to add an account to my A hobbyist machine.  I've used it before for straightforward stuff. ? Since I usually do more than just add an account (such as add a > corresponding directory on DISK$SCRATCH etc), I'm looking intoB writing a procedure to do the extra stuff or perhaps to do it all.- Thus, I looked into SYS$EXAMPLES:ADDUSER.COM.   + Has anyone else noticed any "bugs" in this?   > For example, there is $ prevpriv = f$setprv("SYSPRV") so it is@ obvious that it is intended to be used from an account with lessB than full privs (with SETPRV, of course).  This is OK as far as itB goes, but it doesn't go far enough.  For example, if one says "NO" to back out at the end, 5    $ DELETE ",userdisk,"[000000]",userdir,".DIR;1/LOG E will fail due to insufficient privilege or file protection violation.   ? I know it's just a (sys$)example.  It works fine with PRIV=ALL. E Sure, the change required is trivial, but since SYS$EXAMPLES is often E a place to start looking to avoid re-inventing the wheel, it would be * nice if everything there were very robust.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:26:50 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> % Subject: Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:ADDUSER.COM ' Message-ID: <3D681B36.EF32098A@fsi.net>    Phillip Helbig wrote:  > ? > I used SYS$EXAMPLES:ADDUSER.COM today to add an account to my C > hobbyist machine.  I've used it before for straightforward stuff. A > Since I usually do more than just add an account (such as add a @ > corresponding directory on DISK$SCRATCH etc), I'm looking intoD > writing a procedure to do the extra stuff or perhaps to do it all./ > Thus, I looked into SYS$EXAMPLES:ADDUSER.COM.  > - > Has anyone else noticed any "bugs" in this?  > @ > For example, there is $ prevpriv = f$setprv("SYSPRV") so it isB > obvious that it is intended to be used from an account with lessD > than full privs (with SETPRV, of course).  This is OK as far as itD > goes, but it doesn't go far enough.  For example, if one says "NO" > to back out at the end, 7 >    $ DELETE ",userdisk,"[000000]",userdir,".DIR;1/LOG G > will fail due to insufficient privilege or file protection violation.  > A > I know it's just a (sys$)example.  It works fine with PRIV=ALL. G > Sure, the change required is trivial, but since SYS$EXAMPLES is oftenoG > a place to start looking to avoid re-inventing the wheel, it would beC, > nice if everything there were very robust.  F One of the enhancements I added to a private version was to ask for anH existing user record to use as a template for the new user (the defaultsG for some subsequent prompts were derived form the template record), andi@ to try to find the next available member number for the template* record's UIC group, among other additions.   -- e David J. DachteraS dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.467 ************************