1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 25 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 468       Contents:9 ??= DEC RZ40-AA and RZ29B-E disks on an AlphaStation 400. = Re: ??= DEC RZ40-AA and RZ29B-E disks on an AlphaStation 400. = Re: ??= DEC RZ40-AA and RZ29B-E disks on an AlphaStation 400. ' Re: High quality of HP Software support  Re: New missive from HP  Re: Proposal for DECUS US  Re: Proposal for DECUS US  RE: Proposal for DECUS US   Re: set file/data_check (REPOST)" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" RE: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week4 Size of I/O count fields in SHOW PROC and SHOW SYS ? Re: tcpware smtp Re: VMS to OpenVMS conversion $ Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?" Re: XFC patch for VMS 7.3 is up...  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:09:44 +0200 3 From: "Aus, Hans Magnus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> B Subject: ??= DEC RZ40-AA and RZ29B-E disks on an AlphaStation 400.B Message-ID: <aus-040EDA.11094425082002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  B Other than the mounting bracket differences, will DEC RZ40-AA and H RZ29B-E work as internal disks on an AlphaStation 400 4/233? Neither of F these configurations (part numbers) are listed in the AlphaServer 400  options.  G The DEC RZ40-AA / Quantum ATLAS II 9GB has an ID-less controller. Does  I the ID-less controller mean that the SCSI ID defaults to zero and we can  , use the RZ40-AA as the internal system disk?  C Are there any reasons why we can't use these disks as the internal  6 replacements for the 2.1GB drives on the AS 400 2/233?   --  4 Hans Magnus Aus, Wuerzburg, aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2002 12:00:50 +0200a From: holitska_a@removehomo-togetvalide-mailhomo-ludens.elte.hu (Holi - Holitska Andrs) F Subject: Re: ??= DEC RZ40-AA and RZ29B-E disks on an AlphaStation 400.! Message-ID: <EabC2l0PpJmO@ludens>   x In article <aus-040EDA.11094425082002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, "Aus, Hans Magnus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:D > Other than the mounting bracket differences, will DEC RZ40-AA and J > RZ29B-E work as internal disks on an AlphaStation 400 4/233? Neither of H > these configurations (part numbers) are listed in the AlphaServer 400 
 > options. > I > The DEC RZ40-AA / Quantum ATLAS II 9GB has an ID-less controller. Does  K > the ID-less controller mean that the SCSI ID defaults to zero and we can  . > use the RZ40-AA as the internal system disk?  C   If I remeber correctly, then an ID-less disk will try to grab all E   IDs on the bus, so you won't be able to have any other disk on that D   bus (and I don't know which ID it skips, because it thinks its the(   controller... not sure it skips ID 6).  @   You can easily check this, if you have a spare VAX/Alpha lying	   around.   '   But maybe you should check this site:   <     http://www.matrox.com/Quantum/products/archive/atlas_ii/     atlas_ii_overview.html  =   It contains jumper settings of the above drive, and it seem    SCSI ID *can* be selected.   > E > Are there any reasons why we can't use these disks as the internal  8 > replacements for the 2.1GB drives on the AS 400 2/233? >  > --  6 > Hans Magnus Aus, Wuerzburg, aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   Bye:  <Holi>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:17:54 +0200 3 From: "Aus, Hans Magnus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> F Subject: Re: ??= DEC RZ40-AA and RZ29B-E disks on an AlphaStation 400.B Message-ID: <aus-80EDFA.14175325082002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  - Thanks for the tip - it looks very promising.    --  4 Hans Magnus Aus, Wuerzburg, aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 02 19:42:27 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 0 Subject: Re: High quality of HP Software support) Message-ID: <RIYKBUH2Vvvl@elias.decus.ch>   \ In article <87d6s8b0fd.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  L My favourite support story has to be this one, from the days I worked in the truck industry.   L One scorching hot Easter weekend, a guy pulled up outside in a truck with 40L tons of butter on board. Some vital piece of his freezer had expired, and he7 was looking at 40 tons of butter melting down the road.   F No vehicle technicians in sight, but we computer folks were in, takingP advantage of a long weekend to run month end stuff and a bit of development too.  J After scouring the microfiches, we provided him with the part, printed theF despatch note and invoice, and one very happy customer was on his way.  O OK this was a one-off, but we saved that guy's business, and it was immensively  satisfying.    __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 02 18:39:52 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)   Subject: Re: New missive from HP) Message-ID: <CLU$8Xm2F1Au@elias.decus.ch>   _ In article <00A12E56.6D4A1D64@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:    > flip-flopping   M That was the death knell for me. First as a customer - are you speaking to me I this year or do are you fobbing me off on a VAR? A couple of years later,  reverse that question.   Then when I worked for a VAR, J "No you can't have that part, we want that customer so we'll make sure you can't get it".  K On the latter, I had the President of a major stock exchange threatening to ) thump me. I resigned and took a pay drop.   K That's how bad it was for many of us. I sometimes wish I had stuck with IBM % mainframes (boring, naff, but pays).   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:00:37 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: Proposal for DECUS US4 Message-ID: <pN2a9.75207$y71.1967711@news.chello.at>  ^ In article <002701c24942$d16c4c80$342810ac@petris.com>, "Art Beane" <beane@petris.com> writes: >Bill Gunshannon contributed:  > 7 >  Will they revive the old memberships automatically??  >  Member# 368513 ! >  Card still in my wallet!!  :-)  > ? >I just found mine last week:  http://198.170.183.110/decus.htm   D Thanks for posting a valid DECUS Id to get OpenVMS hobbyist licenses2 without becoming a (paying ?) member of DECUS :-))   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:49:41 -0400  From: Everhart <ge@gce.com> " Subject: Re: Proposal for DECUS US+ Message-ID: <akb5c9$7r9$1@bob.news.rcn.net>    Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:` > In article <002701c24942$d16c4c80$342810ac@petris.com>, "Art Beane" <beane@petris.com> writes: >  >>Bill Gunshannon contributed: >>7 >> Will they revive the old memberships automatically??  >> Member# 368513 ! >> Card still in my wallet!!  :-)  >>@ >>I just found mine last week:  http://198.170.183.110/decus.htm >  > F > Thanks for posting a valid DECUS Id to get OpenVMS hobbyist licenses4 > without becoming a (paying ?) member of DECUS :-)) > ; You can get hobby licenses without the paying member class.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:44:32 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> " Subject: RE: Proposal for DECUS US9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKENDFJAA.tom@kednos.com>    Just deactivate that id:-)   >-----Original Message----- # >From: Everhart [mailto:ge@gce.com] ' >Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 10:50 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com# >Subject: Re: Proposal for DECUS US  >  >  >Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: @ >> In article <002701c24942$d16c4c80$342810ac@petris.com>, "Art " >Beane" <beane@petris.com> writes: >>   >>>Bill Gunshannon contributed:  >>> 8 >>> Will they revive the old memberships automatically?? >>> Member# 368513" >>> Card still in my wallet!!  :-) >>> A >>>I just found mine last week:  http://198.170.183.110/decus.htm  >>   >>  G >> Thanks for posting a valid DECUS Id to get OpenVMS hobbyist licenses 5 >> without becoming a (paying ?) member of DECUS :-))  >>  < >You can get hobby licenses without the paying member class. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). @ >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2002 10:31:28 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)) Subject: Re: set file/data_check (REPOST) = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0208250931.50f80b4a@posting.google.com>   a Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<87y9awbh17.fsf@prep.synonet.com>... 2 > SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) writes: > G > > My question is: does anyone turn on this checking? I did some tests G > > and found a small performance hit. (One has to be careful to ensure D > > caching is not affecting the test! Repeat the COPY command a fewH > > times.) I get about a 15% increase in elapsed time for a 14175 block= > > file with write checking enabled compared to no checking.  >   H > > And for what circumstances is it appropriate? I would guess for life= > > support and manned space flight, but are they any others?  > F > I would turn it* on for any toad (MFM) or IDE disk. But then, I have' > been bitten by write errors on one :(  > D > Like wise, those who don't use the CRC checks that backup has are,C > IMO, insane... If the data is not work looking after, why are you F > bothering to turn the stupid machine on? (OK, I run the 2100 to keep [snip]    A I agree. But that was not what I was asking. There are people who D don't trust modern tape drives' ECC because it does not cover errorsF due to everything but the tape, i.e., controllers, buses, etc. So they? strongly recommend using VMS BACKUP's CRC and redundancy groups C anyway, even though some old DEC manuals suggest you could turn off  CRC.  D For example, in the TU81/TA81 and TU81 PLUS Subsytem User's Guide itC says on p.18: "One way to increase the likelihood of tape streaming ? under VMS backup is to turn off the CRC. This can substantially B improve data speed in GCR mode. In PE mode, turning off CRC is notE recommended because it creates unacceptable risks in data integrity."   C So here we see DEC once recommended considering turning off CRC for C 9-track tapes!!! But now we are talking about cartridge tape drives  with "sophisticated ECC".   ? So, back to my main point: Some posters say you should keep VMS E BACKUP's CRC and redundancy groups because the "sophisticated ECC" in E modern tape drives can only correct errors due to tape problems. They E argue that such ECC cannot correct errors elsewhere in the data path. E Fine. But there is also such a data path when copying files from disk E to disk. So my question, finally (:-), is do these people enable read D and/or write checking for files and/or disks for the same reason (byB using SET FILE|VOLUME/DATA_CHECK=whatever). And whether yes or no, why?  D IOW, is the data path between disks and tape drives any more or lessC trustworthy than the data path between disks? If you trust the data C path from disk to disk, and if that's just as good as the path from E disk to tape, then why bother with BACKUP's CRC and redundancy groups E for tape drives that have their own ECC if you don't use similar data $ checking for disk to disk transfers?  ' I hope the question is clear this time.    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman - afeldmanNonospam gfigroupNonospam comNoNOspam    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 02 09:28:21 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) + Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week ) Message-ID: <9TECcGA71GUu@elias.decus.ch>   c In article <+I7ZYCEnda4Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) writes: J > 	You guys will find this amusing.  I'm dating a guy who programs on the Q > Windoze platform.  (I know, but he's a sweet guy anyway.)  We talk shop alot.   O > The other day he floored me by implying that my VMS systems couldn't run 100  Q > users.  The last time he used VMS was back in college on some old slow machine.  > I > 	I can't wait to tie his butt up, plop him down in front of a terminal  ( > and teach him what a REAL computer is. > ( > 	...  can't run 100 users... sheesh.    N Can you please tell him that I was doing benchmarks to simulate 100 users backH in 1981 on an 11/780. Granted that was 100 application users rather thanN interactive developers, but that was more than 20 years ago, when my mainframe) pals were struggling with 20+ apps users.   < I typically have 75 sessions going on my PWS 400 at work :-)   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 02 10:02:59 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) + Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week ) Message-ID: <gVzMeOHycgj8@elias.decus.ch>   c In article <wuNnO3Oazy0t@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: e > In article <+I7ZYCEnda4Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) writes: K >> 	You guys will find this amusing.  I'm dating a guy who programs on the  R >> Windoze platform.  (I know, but he's a sweet guy anyway.)  We talk shop alot.  P >> The other day he floored me by implying that my VMS systems couldn't run 100 R >> users.  The last time he used VMS was back in college on some old slow machine. > @ > Well VMS systems can _support_ 100 users, but perhaps he meantJ > _run_ users, the way Microsoft systems _run_ their users (aka: victims).  K Ah, that strikes a chord, and explains why after other mail systems, I find # Outlook extremely labour intensive.   N I recall disbelieving Bill Gates many years ago when he was saying things like@ "one day you will control every device in your home by a mouse".  I That of course was in the days when Joe and Jane public couldn't handle a 	 keyboard.   O They can now, but the M$ empire still thinks everything should be mouse driven.    Point, click, and drool.    __
 Paul Sture Victim Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:08:34 +0200 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> + Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week * Message-ID: <aka3a2$mkp$1@news1.xs4all.nl>   Paul Repacholi wrote: 1 > frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) writes:  >  > D >>You guys will find this amusing.  I'm dating a guy who programs onC >>the Windoze platform.  (I know, but he's a sweet guy anyway.)  We F >>talk shop alot.  The other day he floored me by implying that my VMSE >>systems couldn't run 100 users.  The last time he used VMS was back & >>in college on some old slow machine. >  >    > > >>I can't wait to tie his butt up, plop him down in front of a1 >>terminal and teach him what a REAL computer is.  >  >    > ( >>	...  can't run 100 users... sheesh.   >  > H > The <mumble> evening Multi-Trek game that I used to indulge in went toG > over 40 players AIR, in 87 or so. On a single 750. Fortunatly by then % > it had had the 14MB memory upgrade.  > F > But the system that took the cake was the 11/24 that was used by theG > states secondary student. The guy who ran that had tweeked it and was E > running (I think) 128 users doing student BASIC edit/compiles. That  > was with RSTS.    D Yes, RSTS was (is) very good! Especially the file system, when used G without RMS, was very fast. I once supported 20 - 30 users on an 11/34  : with 248 KB memory. We had two DH-11's and two RK06 disks.  A > I have been on the PDP-6, 32 users logged on, 48KW of memory...  >   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 02 10:16:39 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) + Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week ) Message-ID: <Fl$U3cyEau7v@elias.decus.ch>   P In article <00A12E37.DBEE8E3B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:e > In article <+I7ZYCEnda4Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) writes:iJ >>	You guys will find this amusing.  I'm dating a guy who programs on the Q >>Windoze platform.  (I know, but he's a sweet guy anyway.)  We talk shop alot.  eO >>The other day he floored me by implying that my VMS systems couldn't run 100 rQ >>users.  The last time he used VMS was back in college on some old slow machine.t >>I >>	I can't wait to tie his butt up, plop him down in front of a terminal t( >>and teach him what a REAL computer is. >>( >>	...  can't run 100 users... sheesh.   > N > ... and without need to reboot after ever Nth run of some application!  ShowO > him that you can print to a printer without having to search the web for ump-iO > teen mindless hours in search of a "printah dry-vuhr".  Demonstrate something P > totally foreign to him such as how you can perform an image backup of the sys-O > tem disk and then, replace it with some other disk and restore to a bootable,-O > completely functional system without reinstalling squat!  Here's a real kick-4O > er!!!  Show him how you can change the IP address of the machine without needR > for a reboot.E  E I hate to say this, but you can change the IP address (on NT) withoutz
 rebooting.  N How to persuade it to use a different modem without deleting the original one,: or switch between dial up and LAN is a different matter...  D The rest is spot on, particularly for the downgrade from W95 to W98.   > & > Remember, real men don't do Windows! >   + Not used at home for several months now :-)s   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland   C Only 2 things at work have made me use four letter words this year.iB The first was getting caught by the XFC problem. I could fix that. The second was Outlook...e   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 02 10:19:21 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture).+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week ) Message-ID: <Xava6RgWXo6G@elias.decus.ch>a  a In article <N5v99.9173$H67.50409@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:D> > I can't figure how his weendoze systems could run 100 users.M > I'm the only one on my machine and some applications get more cpu clocktime-M > than others and that bothers me (you want to bring a window back on top andh" > it does not respond right away). > N > And windows is single-user unless you use the fairly recent "terminal serverG > edition" or windows 2000 with that same thing activated. And it wouldlN > problay crawl with 100 users even on a fast cpu. We have Citrix here and its1 > not particularly performant with 5 users on it.r >   K Hah. I had 20 users bashing away on data entry application a 6MB VAXstationr 2000 back in 1990.  K > Remember the laundry soap ad? I'll never let go ONE VMS box for 2 (or anyt > number) of the other brand.  >    Nice one :-)   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlando   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 02 10:33:08 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)e+ Subject: RE: silliest thing heard this week ) Message-ID: <DPn4g1Yb6qU4@elias.decus.ch>t   In article <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA28@rlghncst964.usps.gov>, "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> writes:e >  > Not. > = > Usernames and node identities redacted for obvious reasons.  >  > REDACTED$ SHOW USERS/PAGEs > 9 >  Username      Node     Interactive  Subprocess   Batche9 >       OpenVMS User Processes at 23-AUG-2002 13:33:04.13u? >     Total number of users = 2278,  number of processes = 2646- >    <snip>  O Exactly. Care to share how much memory, which processor(s), and how many nodes?.  K Sharon has raised an excellent point though. On my web travels I constantlyeK come across technically good guys and girls who quote VAX/VMS experience inrC their resumes, and haven't a clue of the capabilities of VMS today.u  J I even spotted someone recently saying that Distaster Tolerance was only aO buzzphrase used by consultants (implied slur there), while in real life, people 2 were concentrating on Disaster Recovery solutions.   Sheesh!. used by consultantsc   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:05:36 GMTo From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGo+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week 0 Message-ID: <00A12FA7.6BDD8650@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <Fl$U3cyEau7v@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:dQ >In article <00A12E37.DBEE8E3B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:hf >> In article <+I7ZYCEnda4Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) writes:K >>>	You guys will find this amusing.  I'm dating a guy who programs on the  R >>>Windoze platform.  (I know, but he's a sweet guy anyway.)  We talk shop alot.  P >>>The other day he floored me by implying that my VMS systems couldn't run 100 R >>>users.  The last time he used VMS was back in college on some old slow machine. >>>-J >>>	I can't wait to tie his butt up, plop him down in front of a terminal ) >>>and teach him what a REAL computer is.m >>>e) >>>	...  can't run 100 users... sheesh.  e >> hO >> ... and without need to reboot after ever Nth run of some application!  ShowSP >> him that you can print to a printer without having to search the web for ump-P >> teen mindless hours in search of a "printah dry-vuhr".  Demonstrate somethingQ >> totally foreign to him such as how you can perform an image backup of the sys-rP >> tem disk and then, replace it with some other disk and restore to a bootable,P >> completely functional system without reinstalling squat!  Here's a real kick-P >> er!!!  Show him how you can change the IP address of the machine without need >> for a reboot. > F >I hate to say this, but you can change the IP address (on NT) without >rebooting.l   NT4SP6a.  I need to reboot it.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM(            E5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" p   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2002 09:13:33 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)p+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this weekt3 Message-ID: <5uA5kjr1$4yC@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  P In article <00A12FA7.6BDD8650@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:W > In article <Fl$U3cyEau7v@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:S  G >>I hate to say this, but you can change the IP address (on NT) withouto >>rebooting. >   > NT4SP6a.  I need to reboot it.  5 Unplugging the power cord would lead to less anxiety.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:18:28 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>-+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week * Message-ID: <3D690C73.1060704@qsl.network>   system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:W > In article <Fl$U3cyEau7v@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:d >  >>G >>I hate to say this, but you can change the IP address (on NT) withoutG >>rebooting. >  e  > NT4SP6a.  I need to reboot it. > / NT pops up a message that a reboot is required.>  H It is documented that the reboot is not required, and if you click [NO] G on the reboot now box, you will find that the new I.P address has been  
 activated.  I I do not know if this bug is documented in the on-line database.  It has  . been know for quite a bit of time before SP6a.   -Johna wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlya   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:23:17 -0700 (PDT)c. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this weeku@ Message-ID: <20020825172317.40920.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>  . A long time ago I suggested Process to develop' a new TCPIP stack for Windows NT/2000. a2 They are great specialist in TCPIP, why not launch5 a new product ???? I remember when I managed NT 3.51 45 a log time ago there was a stack from Netmanage: goodp with NFS etc..     RegardsB   FC s2 --- Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:2 > In article <00A12FA7.6BDD8650@SendSpamHere.ORG>,! > system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:)- > > In article <Fl$U3cyEau7v@elias.decus.ch>,/- > p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:k > 1 > >>I hate to say this, but you can change the IPl > address (on NT) withoutn > >>rebooting. > > " > > NT4SP6a.  I need to reboot it. > . > Unplugging the power cord would lead to less anxiety.     =====i ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil8 fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?+ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes6 http://finance.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 06:40:08 -0400A+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>h= Subject: Size of I/O count fields in SHOW PROC and SHOW SYS ?O1 Message-ID: <3D687BC8.36E49932@trailing-edge.com>t  = Since the dawn of time (well, I started using VMS in the latei@ 3.x and early 4.x days) the SHOW SYS output has had 9 digits for= the I/O count and SHOW PROC/CONT has had 8 digits for the I/O D count.  For systems with moderate uptimes and processes with lots ofB I/O (especially network I/O) the displayed counters would overflowC and print as "*********" after a few weeks using 1990-era machines..  D On a modern busy machine with just a few hours of uptime and network? I/O intensive processes, it must be the case that the displayed C counts overflow very quickly.  Have recent versions of VMS expanded B the displayed fields?  If not, are there any plans in the works to expand these fields?   Tim.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:48:13 GMTn. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: tcpware smtpa4 Message-ID: <xJ1a9.74603$y71.1946375@news.chello.at>  V In article <3D63CC9B.40900@PROCESS.COM>, Michael Corbett <corbett@PROCESS.COM> writes: >Antony Wardle wrote:e >> 5.4-3 >>  L >> I think I have a call logged with you guys, but its getting on for 5 days >> now.s >> dJ >> I guess your answer is coing be, this is no longer supported - upgrade.  : Could be. As V5.6 is already out. But I don't expect it...  H >> Not really an option, unless I get some kind of assurance that my old+ >> legacy application isn't going to break!U  I Not an official one, but my 11year experience with TCPware let me believer! that there will no real problems.n   In the past I only hadL 1) crash problems with PWIPDRIVER at V5.0-3 (with ECO) and later with V5.0-4N (the ECO introduced the problem and V5.0-4 incorporated this patch then also),J 2) TELNET (VT100) problems with connections to our AS400 (never been fixedG by PSC and workarounded by using the TELNET.EXE from a previous TCPwareiG version [IIRC V5.0 or V5.1] - we had no longer a support contract then,:$ so PSC had no real chance to fix it)I 3) a new TFTPD.EXE which fixed a problem I depended on (before, all filesoH were created in stream format, after, a NETASCII file is created as textK while a BINARY file is created as fixed length - and CISCO routers do still G after umpteen years upload their text-config-files in BINARY instead of J NETASCII mode, giving me a configfile unusable in an editor). I ended alsoG with using the TFTPD.EXE from an older TCPWARE version (as CISCO is/wasM1 unwilling to even accept the problem description)?  I >> I am intending on putting on the SMTP patch 543p080 in the next couples >> of weeks.  . ECOs are always worth to be considered/tested.  + >Turn on debugging for the SMTP symbionts -  >d1 >$ define/sys/exec tcpware_smtp_sybmiont_log truei  H What is the difference to TCPWARE_SMTP_SYMBIONT_DEBUG (except that it is not in the documentation) ?d  B >This will create a TCPWARE:TCPWARE_SMTP_LOG.<queue-name> for each? >SMTP queue.  Then search the log file for the files names thatoC >are getting left in the spool directory and see they give any clue-% >why the files are being left around.m  C Is there a way to influence the name of the logfile ? I ask becauserC I thought that the logic is that mumble_DEBUG enables debugging andeF mumble_LOG changes the name of the mumble logfile. And here this logic seems to be flawed...Y   TIA    -- n Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistl E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:47:19 GMT ) From: "James M. Knox" <jknox@trisoft.com>c& Subject: Re: VMS to OpenVMS conversion6 Message-ID: <Xns9275822125E65jknoxtrisoftcom@10.0.0.1>  ( Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in! news:ak5ilt0se0@drn.newsguy.com:     > In articleF > <vbc99.18143$bu81.4188@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John 	 > says...7 > G > You mean the address gives it away "1109-A Shady Lane". Bet there aresF > a few TLA agencies who would (err) kill for an address like that :-)  H One of the places we used to deal with was always interesting to call.   The inside line was answered:u  B     	"Human Destruction Testing Lab.  This is not a secured line.      	 How may we help you?"@  @ Made you just sort of want to back slowly away from the phone...    / ----------------------------------------------- 
 James M. Knoxn/ TriSoft                        ph  512-385-0316m/ 1109-A Shady Lane              fax 512-366-4331</ Austin, Tx 78721              jknox@trisoft.comm/ -----------------------------------------------u   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 02 18:15:22 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)w- Subject: Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?o) Message-ID: <MSg9PlaDTNv2@elias.decus.ch>V  b In article <3d669d88$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:F >>What Fortran can do only now, and only on some platforms, C has been >>able to do for a decade. > B > What C can do now, VAX Fortran has been able to do for a decade.  . Nah. With a decent compiler, try 2 decades :-) __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandm   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 02 19:20:21 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)d+ Subject: Re: XFC patch for VMS 7.3 is up... ) Message-ID: <z8rHzGPwnQHX@elias.decus.ch>a   In article <rdeininger-2408020930110001@1cust82.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:s  : While on the topic of XFC, has anyone experience of taking7 the V7.3-1 option of changing the system disk to ODS-5?a  H I think I need to do this to make sure my bit of software doesn't break. __
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