1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 27 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 472       Contents:! AGA (Was : OpenVMS + Joint STARS) 1 Re: Alphastation 255 via FC-AL to Hitachi storage # Re: attn: Paddy (re: DCL procedure)  CPU history site$ Re: DE101 - can it go to Full Duplex' Editing the MAIL Undeliverable Response " Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly. Re: Is the HP/Compaq merger really going well? Re: Low-level format SCSI disk Re: Low-level format SCSI disk. Re: OT Mac OS X woes, but advice needed please8 Re: Process Software Multinet NFS SRI file name encoding" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" RE: silliest thing heard this week8 Re: Size of I/O count fields in SHOW PROC and SHOW SYS ?- Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance  ts10 emulator and internetO Re: Universal Service Processor (USP) V6.0 for now available for OpenVMS  Alpha # Re: What's going on with Encompass?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:44:07 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> * Subject: AGA (Was : OpenVMS + Joint STARS)' Message-ID: <3D6B1FB7.3E0AC5F9@aaa.com>   C Well, if you look up the URL below, and click "Aga History", you'll 9 learn that the AGA stove is yet another invention made by = the Swedish inventor Gustaf Daln, tha same as the lighthouse 6 equipment I wrote about. So the AGA name in Aga-Ranges* is the same "Acetylen Gas Aktiebolaget"...  > Check the links on the "AGA History" page for more information about Gustaf Daln.     
 double :-)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Paul Sture wrote:  > e > In article <3D6A6E58.7EEBAC6C@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: ? > > AGA ("Acetylen Gas Aktiebolaget"), a company founded by the ; > > Swedish inventor Gustaf Daln, famous for the automated ; > > lighthouse equipment used around the world. www.aga.se.  > >  > > :-)  > > P > Aga is also a brand of oven. These things boil kettles in a matter of seconds. > ' > http://www.aga-ranges.com/welcome.asp  >  > :-)  >  > > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  > >  > > Bob Koehler wrote: > >> > >>M > >> Device AGA0:, device type AG 12403, is online, error logging is enabled.  > >> > -- > __ > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:27:44 GMT " From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>: Subject: Re: Alphastation 255 via FC-AL to Hitachi storage& Message-ID: <3D6B6E98.C9A20273@hp.com>  + Currently there is no FC-AL support in VMS. C VMS only supports switches. FC-AL support is planned in the future.    Guy    Cup stays in NJ wrote:  E > I am looking for a reference site that has any Alpha OpenVMS system J > connected to a Hitachi 7700 array. HDS says it probably will work with aI > 168794-B21 or KGPSA host bus adapter (HBA), but before we sink $2K into H > this, I would like to hear from anyone who has done this. We currentlyJ > are running OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.2-1, with plans to upgrade to 7.3-1. > 
 > Regards, >  > Mike Walcheski > The Cooper Health System > Information Technologies > Mount Laurel, NJ 08054   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:10:05 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> , Subject: Re: attn: Paddy (re: DCL procedure)8 Message-ID: <acnmmusbipe11s3i4tjg41j4gkfggp4kve@4ax.com>  3 On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:36:48 -0400, "Brian Tillman" , <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote:  D >>If you setup IMAP on Exchage it will be readable by Mozilla's IMAPG >>client. Other alternative is to setup Exchange to do local SMTP relay  >>to the VMS box.  > J >Just one problem with both of these suggestions.  As I said, the Email isL >being _outsourced_.  I won't have any control over the Exchange server.  HP >will be running it.  C Although our email service is outsourced as well, provision of SMTP A relay is allowed for in the contract.  Maybe yours could as well?  -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:52:12 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: CPU history site I Message-ID: <gZHa9.52105$bu81.13662@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    May be of some interest.....  + http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/jbayko/cpu.html    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Aug 2002 08:04:08 -07001 From: glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Glen Martin) - Subject: Re: DE101 - can it go to Full Duplex = Message-ID: <6e2f14f4.0208270704.2950f4d3@posting.google.com>   d hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<akdu5u$pfq$5@web1.cup.hp.com>...s > In article <6e2f14f4.0208221415.11467356@posting.google.com>, glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Glen Martin) writes: H > :Assuming that I can get my hands on a couple of DE500-XA cards (whichE > :is iffy), does anyone know if there is a patch that allows them to C > :function under VMS 6.2? (Last time I checked, they required 7.x)  >  > 7 >   Um, doesn't *anyone* read the OpenVMS FAQ any more?   F Found the answer to my own question in the FAQ yesterday after failing& to find it in the archived SOC info...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:04:53 -0230 , From: "Jeff Barnes" <barnesjw@dfo-mpo.gc.ca>0 Subject: Editing the MAIL Undeliverable Response, Message-ID: <YmKa9.1106$i%.266208@localhost>  L How would one modify the"Undeliverable Mail" response you receive when the aI users account has the DISMAIL flag set?  The stock undeliverable response  includes the following:    Bad address -- <username> - Error -- Mail delivery disabled for this user   I and the returned message.  The returned message (if originally sent using + MIME/HTML) is fairly long and intimidating.    Thanks in Advance    Jeff Barnes  Fisheries and Oceans St John's, NL Canada   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:04:51 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> + Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly 0 Message-ID: <akg4ek$1mg$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  8 > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message ... >  >> >>/ >>As usual Freddy is the boy in the glass house  >>chucking the stones. >> >> > K > Except for your attempts to change the subject, what I've written in this K > thread has been to the effect that the entire industry is in a slump - HP N > and SUN included.  The positive - or negative - effects of the HP merger are+ > not yet in evidence - it's just too soon.  >      You are a wonder peice of work.   / You were the one who attacked Sun's performance 0 when you did and only then I entered the thread.  , You were the one who introduced the dot.bomb, discussion into the thread, since you did so0 without apparently realising the extent to which. HP suffered and continues to suffer from a bad- debt and asset write down standpoint from the / dot.com collapse it was only sensibel to inform  and correct you.  / If you don't want a discussion then don't start  one.  1 If you post BS then don't expect to get away with 0 it, you havn't so far so why has you expectation changed.    J > You have attempted to try and spin Sun as if it was in great shape, whenK > that is far from true.  I've put the financials in here to prove it.  You M > quote market share numbers, but frankly I just took a quick look at the IDC N > bulletins and really don't see anything for you to brag about.  Of course, IK > can't publish the data - and you probably are just reading your own press M > releases trying to slice and dice quarterly market data into something that  > looks good for you.  >     1 No read my posts, I havn't tried to spin that Sun . is in great shape, that is simply your spin on	 my posts.   0 Sun wasn't profitable last year that isn't great1 and Sun's stock price and therefore market cap is ! also low that isn't great either.   4 And the selections you have made from our SEC filing
 show this.  5 What they don't show is that Sun's quarter on quarter 6 revenues are up as is our market share and our expense cutting has been sucessfull.  6 What your points also don't show is that HP's revenues7 are down and market share is also down across the board 6 in product divisions. PC's, Wintel Servers, Enterprise Servers.  ; Your concentration on one measure, short term profitability 9 hence PE ratio etc is ammusing but obvious it is the only , measure that you can find that looks ok ish.    I > The question, again, is exactly what are you doing in this conference - C > except as a means to throw stones?  I'm not in the SUN conference L > complaining about Solaris, or trying to talk up VMS.  You have really onlyN > one motivation to be here - to try and sow as much FUD as possible, in hopesG > that someone might go to SUN from VMS.  Do you care about VMS, or VMS L > customers, or have anything to contribute?  No.  I think we ALL understandD > that - so don't be comming here and try BSing people into thinking4 > otherwise, and then complain about stone throwing. >     4 No but you are in an OpenVMS conference talking down5 Sun in attempt to make OpenVMS and your employer look  better.   2 The fact that you keep getting caught out may well2 be annoying to you but you know the solution, stop the BS.   6 I only started to post in this group because Rob Young/ whose mantle you now seem to be sharing did the  same thing.   3 Would you if you took one of the Sun newsgroups sit 2 by and watch silently as some Sun marketing person4 made up BS about OpenVMS and HP ? No you wouldn't so don't expect me to.     I > I wonder if after all this time if a SINGLE customer has been swayed by 5 > *you* in this conference to dump VMS and go to SUN.  >     3 This group represents a hard core of VMS supporters 6 its very interesting how anti Compaq/HP it has become.  1 I doubt this has much to do with me, you are more 6 likely to be responsible for that. However my pointing4 out the choirs BS has tended to make the choir sound4 shriller and more out of tune, this only has to be a1 good thing if you want to be informed rather than  marketed at.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:17:09 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> 7 Subject: Re: Is the HP/Compaq merger really going well? / Message-ID: <akg1l5$k2$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  8 > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message ... >  >>) >>Produce some examples in the last year.  >>( >>I very much suspect that at this point' >>you will dissappear from this part of 
 >>the thread.  >>* >>I only say this because in the past when( >>I have asked you to back up any of you& >>wild claims you have done the above. >> >> > A > Eh?  Pretty much everything you type here is self-serving spin.  >  >     # Provide examples. At the moment all   you have done is prove my point.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Aug 2002 02:36:51 -0700! From: soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro) ' Subject: Re: Low-level format SCSI disk = Message-ID: <d5440555.0208270136.44ebd086@posting.google.com>    The Tru64 way:  ; "Adam Price" <adam+usenet@pappnase.co.uk> wrote in message  J > OK That just means you are using a version of Tru64 older than V5 and so True, I'm on 4.0F.    > set nexus bus B target T lun L5 > Where BT and L are bus target and Lun respectively. I > The in program help of scu is quite good, read the help text for format  > and it should give details. F Thank you, I did it as you suggested, and the help file states clearly> you cannot do that with set nexus, let me paste from the help:  
 ----quote----  Notes:A   If you enter 'scu' using the default device '/dev/cam' and then B   set the device to format using the "set nexus" command, the codeD   associated with checking for mounted file systems will fail.  ThisC   was done purposely to prevent accidental formatting of disks with    mounted file systems. 
 ----quote----    So I'm asking again:E Did anybody actually USE the scu program for low-level formatting? If D yes, how? I'm tired of 'go RTFM' while the FM says what you _cannot_% do but doesn't say what you _can_ do.   8 While trying on OpenVMS 7.2, I get the following status:   $ run sys$etc:rztools_alpha       RZTools (Rel. 10/29/93)$ RZTools> [ /h for help ] dka400: /tu %SCSI-GOOD, Drive is Ready.  RZTools> dka400: /fo0   Formatting will destroy any data on the drive.   Continue <N>? y 8 %SCSI-CHECKSENSE, Drive returned a status of CHECKSENSE./ %SCSI-BADREQ, Illegal request or bad parameter. C %SCSI-ASCASCQ, Addtional Sense Code (ASC) 26  and ASC Qualifier 00. ? %SCSI-F-NOTFORMATTING, Drive did NOT accept the Format Command.   E So I got a big NOT. The pair ASC/ASCQ say "Invalid field in parameter E list" Argh. What field, what parameter list? But at least it is not a  hardware failure ;) E It could be very well that I have to set some stuff (like block size) = before I try directly to format the thing, but I can't see in D rztools_alpha any command which does setting some parameters (I readC the help, but I have no other manual on it). I have also a MicroVAX E 3400 around, but I never opened it so I don't know if I can stick the > IBM DFHS SCSI-2 drives in it somewhere, its drives look prettyC different (and no idea what the TEST xx command of the SRM actually  does).  
 Thank you, Sorin    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Aug 2002 07:52:55 -0700$ From: tshoppa@wmata.com (Tim Shoppa)' Subject: Re: Low-level format SCSI disk = Message-ID: <8327b166.0208270652.7c435df9@posting.google.com>   f soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro) wrote in message news:<d5440555.0207260718.7041a01c@posting.google.com>... > Hello, > H > I have a dual-boot Digital Personal Workstation 600au with OpenVMS and > Tru64.E > I got some ex-AS/400 hard-disks formatted with the 520-bytes sector G > size. Not good, I need 512 (I had to install Linux to figure out what  > the problem is :)  > E > They are nice disks, so I have to low-level format them somehow, is F > there a utility under one of those two operating systems to do that?  G You need to set the SCSI drive's mode page to 512 byte sectors *before* H you format, and you need to do this consistently so that the format will work.   K On an Ultrix box you can do this with rzdisk -c; the mode pages that you'll G have to tweak will include Page 3 (device format parameters) and Page 4 ' (rigid disk drive geometry parameters).    Tim.     > >  >  > on TRU64Unix : > scu -f /dev/rdisk/dskXXc > scu> help  > Topic : format > ...  > ...  > scu> format .... > : > > Or is there a way to do it at booting time under SRM? H > > (I have also a PW 500a, but AlphaBIOS doesn't want to do anything on > > off-line disks)  > H > Not I'm aware of. take off the disk, connect it to and adaptec SCSI on > a PC, and format :-) >  > >  > > Thanks a lot,  > >  > > Sorin Costea   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Aug 2002 07:13:18 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 7 Subject: Re: OT Mac OS X woes, but advice needed please 3 Message-ID: <Wee7PWz227g7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <FhAfMFE3NbWW@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: e > In article <osQa97U5fOV8@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: X >> In article <NTS8+u3dG8cL@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:j >>> Totally off-topic I realise, but I know there are VMS pals out there who have experience of Mac stuff. >>  K >>    Yeah, but could you get your posting down to less than 80 characters?  >> > H > What newsreader are you using? It appeared perfectly on Netscape 3.03. >   J    I'm using the news reader on EISNER.  Based on old Notes it appears to 0    be called VNEWS and may be a port of ANUNEWS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:54:19 -0400 , From: "Richard Whalen" <WhalenR@process.com>A Subject: Re: Process Software Multinet NFS SRI file name encoding + Message-ID: <akfsq2$9kd$1@news.process.com>   I I can't say for certain about NFS, but FTP and SCP use the second format.  ------------------ Rich Whalen  Process Software  < "Mark Daniel" <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote in message- news:akedue$cbf$1@fang.dsto.defence.gov.au...eL > Can anyone clarify whether Multinet's NFS SRI file name encoding algorithm >s >iI http://www.multinet.process.com/ftp/docs/html/admin_guide/Ch27.htm#E13E57  > G > changes case (using the leading '$' symbol before an alphabetic) on al wholee1 > of path basis, e.g. the *nix file specification  >t >    /mnt/vms/this/is/A/TEst >w* > would be represented as (something like) >e  >    DISK_NFS:[THIS.IS.$A]TE$ST. > H > -or- (which seems more reasonable to me) on a per-path-component basis >m! >    DISK_NFS:[THIS.IS.$A]$TE$ST.d >i > or perhaps event >i" >    DISK_NFS:[THIS.IS.$A$]$TE$ST. >h; > I do not have MultiNet to experiment with. As always TIA.  >W   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:33:44 +0100n% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> + Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this weekh8 Message-ID: <6lrmmuc4is6svi80rr8d9rqt9elnr1qcgr@4ax.com>  , On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:55:55 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:4   >John Smith wrote:N >> back in 1982 I was running up to 30 simultaneous users on a 750 with 4mb of! >> memory, running a Fortran app.. >AO >In 1987, I was running 12 users on ALL-IN-1 (WPSPLUS) on a Microvax II with 16uL >meg of memory and a 154 meg disk drive (RD54).  Back then, they though thatO >the 12 or so seconds to start A1 was long. Now they complain about the minutesh. >it takes to login to NT and start everything.  D Probably due to the insanely stupid design of roving profiles. WhereB desktops and gigantic subtrees of the local PC C: drive get copiedA back and forward to the network servers as users log in/out. With@F Internet Exploder sticking its cache files here by default, we find itE not uncommon for users to end up with several hundred megabyte copiesw= back and forward of cached web pages. I was able to reduce myhA (personal) logon time from 15 mins to around 20 seconds by simply @ (hahaha), moving the cache storage area in Mozilla and Exploder,? adding NetApp SMB/CIFS Gigabit connected servers, upgrading thes@ backbones  to Gigabit with 100Mb to the desktop to cope with theF remaining build ups of hundreds of Megabytes from apps which insist onD sticking loads of things under "C:\Documents and Settings\username\"   Simple eh? :-) -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Aug 2002 08:27:55 -0700, From: jlewocz@poczta.wprost.pl (John Lewocz)+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week = Message-ID: <89cc5656.0208270727.7bd7936b@posting.google.com>r  h frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) wrote in message news:<+I7ZYCEnda4Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>...I > You guys will find this amusing.  I'm dating a guy who programs on the sQ > Windoze platform.  (I know, but he's a sweet guy anyway.)  We talk shop alot.   O > The other day he floored me by implying that my VMS systems couldn't run 100  Q > users.  The last time he used VMS was back in college on some old slow machine.n > I > 	I can't wait to tie his butt up, plop him down in front of a terminal  ( > and teach him what a REAL computer is. > & > 	...  can't run 100 users... sheesh.  I There's plenty of VMS boys like this as well.  I'm currently on a project0L involving VMS, but the team is composed of two unix boys (myself and anotherK guy), three VMS boys, and one mainframe guy.   The VMS boys have shown some  incredible clueless-ness:8  H     "Unix sucks because if you pull the plug on it, the machine comes up$      with a screwed up file system."   N     Apparently, about a decade ago he pulled the plug on a box and experiencedN     just such a problem.   So now he's convinced that this perceived advantageN     of VMS over unix exists not just at the moment, but forever after (this isL     another characteristic of the VMS boys I've met: they all think that all0     other OS's are just standing still).  LittleJ     does he realize that on a linux system, for example, if you choose theM     journaled filesystem as an option when you install, the box comes up just      fine after a power out.s  ?     "Unix tools have nothing to offer.   We've got everything."3  J     The project I'm currently on, unfortunately, involves learning what toO     do, and how to do it, by looking at the very poor and kludgy implementation P     of our predecessors.   For some time now we've been stuck with doing massiveL     search-and-replaces on countless files.   For us unix boys, this entailsK     using perl, python, and kickass editors like VIM.   We've both offered oN     our scripts/techniques to the rest of the team.   But no.   "We're VMS andM     we're superior".   It turns out that their global replace techniques wereGK     limited to replacing strings without looking at context.   VMS boy was 0I     rather stunned when he realized that in perl you can specify regular lK     expressions like /\bthe\b/ so you can globally change "the" to whatever7I     without affecting words like "theater".   Now, maybe there's a nativeoI     VMS way of dealing with such problems, but I'm not aware of it.   ButnJ     neither are the highly experienced users I'm surrounded with.   So nowL     a process that could have taken a month with a small chance of error has3     now taken many more months with far more chaos.e  M Oh, and speaking of "college days", I swear DCL was written by some undergradbO on spring break  -- in the 1940's.   Why is there no builtin way to distinguish O between an empty directory and one that doesn't exist?   Oh sure, I've seen thesH postings that say "if you want to check if [bozo.the.clown] exists, do aM f$search([bozo.the]clown.dir).   But what if you don't know the path ahead ofr time?   N The VMS folks are constantly harping that their beloved system is so superior.J Maybe it is on a certain level.   You can design an airliner with superiorK engines and control systems and a cockpit layout that produces more fatiguerN and confusion.    So now planes crash due to pilot error instead of mechanical9 failure.   But that's ok.   The plane is stilll superior.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:44:06 -0400 5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> + Subject: RE: silliest thing heard this weektO Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D506B80F@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>s  I Stupid question - if you dont know the path ahead of time, then how wouldnH you EVER check for a dir existence or wether or not it's empty?  I'm not seeing your point.  9 (fyi Perl is available for VMS and works pretty well too)    -----Original Message-----A From: jlewocz@poczta.wprost.pl [mailto:jlewocz@poczta.wprost.pl] a Sent: August 27, 2002 11:28 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week     8 frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) wrote in message/ news:<+I7ZYCEnda4Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>...dH > You guys will find this amusing.  I'm dating a guy who programs on theI > Windoze platform.  (I know, but he's a sweet guy anyway.)  We talk shop. alot.  uJ > The other day he floored me by implying that my VMS systems couldn't run 100 H > users.  The last time he used VMS was back in college on some old slow machine. > ? > 	I can't wait to tie his butt up, plop him down in front of a  terminal( > and teach him what a REAL computer is. > & > 	...  can't run 100 users... sheesh.  I There's plenty of VMS boys like this as well.  I'm currently on a project L involving VMS, but the team is composed of two unix boys (myself and anotherK guy), three VMS boys, and one mainframe guy.   The VMS boys have shown somes incredible clueless-ness:d  H     "Unix sucks because if you pull the plug on it, the machine comes up$      with a screwed up file system."   B     Apparently, about a decade ago he pulled the plug on a box and experienced D     just such a problem.   So now he's convinced that this perceived	 advantage K     of VMS over unix exists not just at the moment, but forever after (thish isL     another characteristic of the VMS boys I've met: they all think that all0     other OS's are just standing still).  LittleJ     does he realize that on a linux system, for example, if you choose theH     journaled filesystem as an option when you install, the box comes up just     fine after a power out.e  ?     "Unix tools have nothing to offer.   We've got everything."e  J     The project I'm currently on, unfortunately, involves learning what to@     do, and how to do it, by looking at the very poor and kludgy implementationH     of our predecessors.   For some time now we've been stuck with doing massiveoL     search-and-replaces on countless files.   For us unix boys, this entailsK     using perl, python, and kickass editors like VIM.   We've both offered  J     our scripts/techniques to the rest of the team.   But no.   "We're VMS andrH     we're superior".   It turns out that their global replace techniques wereK     limited to replacing strings without looking at context.   VMS boy was eI     rather stunned when he realized that in perl you can specify regular eK     expressions like /\bthe\b/ so you can globally change "the" to whatevereI     without affecting words like "theater".   Now, maybe there's a nativeoI     VMS way of dealing with such problems, but I'm not aware of it.   But J     neither are the highly experienced users I'm surrounded with.   So nowL     a process that could have taken a month with a small chance of error has3     now taken many more months with far more chaos.u  C Oh, and speaking of "college days", I swear DCL was written by some 	 undergradrC on spring break  -- in the 1940's.   Why is there no builtin way toy distinguishoK between an empty directory and one that doesn't exist?   Oh sure, I've seenr theVH postings that say "if you want to check if [bozo.the.clown] exists, do aJ f$search([bozo.the]clown.dir).   But what if you don't know the path ahead of time?H  D The VMS folks are constantly harping that their beloved system is so	 superior.aJ Maybe it is on a certain level.   You can design an airliner with superiorK engines and control systems and a cockpit layout that produces more fatigue-C and confusion.    So now planes crash due to pilot error instead ofn
 mechanical9 failure.   But that's ok.   The plane is stilll superior.#    I The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged andaJ confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s)L named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agentF responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, anyK review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication isaJ strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theH original message. Please note that for certain accounts we do not acceptK orders and/or instructions by e-mail, and for those accounts we will not be L responsible for carrying out such orders and/or instructions. Kindly refrainL from sending orders or instructions by e-mail unless you have confirmed thatH we accept such communications for your account. Please also note that toJ satisfy regulatory requirements we review the outgoing and incoming e-mail: correspondence of staff members serving certain functions.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Aug 2002 06:23:40 -0700$ From: tshoppa@wmata.com (Tim Shoppa)A Subject: Re: Size of I/O count fields in SHOW PROC and SHOW SYS ?e< Message-ID: <8327b166.0208270523.ba70c31@posting.google.com>  P Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote in message news:<3D6A0119.3AFCB1D4@hp.com>... > Tim, > H > There is not much extra space in $SHOW SYSTEM, however $SHOW PROC/CONT > has a lot of extra space > in the Direct I/O field.  I I don't think there's a need for more than one extra digit; on a VAX (andhE I believe on an Alpha too) the GETJPI service returns "only" a 32-bitt> integer for the I/O count.  So all we need is one extra digit.  I Really naive question: does anything bad happen (to the process or to theeH system) when the I/O count exceeds the capacity of 32 bits?  I'd hate toJ shut down the subway just to restart the application.  Maybe I'll not only= escalate this to get an answer but also test this out myself.    Tim.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Aug 2002 05:44:53 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)6 Subject: Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0208270444.6ad85559@posting.google.com>   R mustang@ucc.asn.au.invalid wrote in message news:<akd35c$84f$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au>...+ > Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote: K > : for those who want 99.9 non-clustered, or a cluster that is years aheado= > : of everything else, please read, hint: it is not unix ...v >  fM > : http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/unix/illuminata_dt_unix_research_note.pdft > N > You're a joke in comp.os.vms Bob & now you're trolling in comp.unix.solaris? > 8 > Did Andrew Harrison call your mother fat or something?
 > Get a life.s >  > D.  ; sorry, OpenVMS is no joke, just ask the two firms that weree! running it 9/11 and stayed up ...a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:24:19 +0000  From: Jiri Hudak <hudak@osu.cz> # Subject: ts10 emulator and internete% Message-ID: <3D6B99A3.6000003@osu.cz>d  A Hi,i am working iptables for ts10 emulator. (os-linux rh73 intel)nD ts10 emulator internet --> working ping,ssh2,telnet,ftp (masquerade)G internet --> ts10 emulator working  ftp cl106032.osu.cz 8021 (iptables v prerouting)ID                                                            user:demoH                                                            passwd:456789 Jiri   -- t
 Jiri Hudak technik pocitacu,  siti a Internetu o Ostravska univerzita Centrum informacnich e technologiir Brafova 5 Ostrava 1- tel.:+420 69 6160112 e-mail:hudak@osu.czt   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:39:45 GMTe0 From: "John L Ferguson" <John.L.Ferguson@hp.com>X Subject: Re: Universal Service Processor (USP) V6.0 for now available for OpenVMS  Alpha2 Message-ID: <53Na9.15$5s6.550030@news.cpqcorp.net>  : Let me clarify regarding "USP has always been on OpenVMS".  D USP and its predecessors have always supported OpenVMS as the server1 platform since their origin, not OpenVMS' origin.t  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:ZOcCQ22isEXb@eisner.encompasserve.org...gF > In article <oita9.25$H65.364702@news.cpqcorp.net>, "John L Ferguson"  <John.L.Ferguson@hp.com> writes: >sG > > USP has always been on OpenVMS and is being used by several OpenVMS  > 4 > Always ?  Even Backup hasn't _always_ been on VMS. > G > > customers.  See http://vms.stabilit.ch/uspweb/usp_references_e.htm.n > A > The oldest citation there is 1997, about 20 years after VMS wase
 > introduced.a >cG > 1997 is even 5 years after DEC marketeers started calling it OpenVMS.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Aug 2002 07:15:18 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)B, Subject: Re: What's going on with Encompass?3 Message-ID: <B$PeVfQ3VCz6@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  c In article <9c4388dd.0208262157.25b288d7@posting.google.com>, kostik@beenet.ru (Konstantin) writes:e > Hi!s > P > I'm trying to register as Encompass Associate for 3 weeks without any success.D > The only thing I've got is confirmation that I've filled web-form.J > Then I wrote a mail to membership@encompassus.org and still no answer... > ' > Ppl, what is going on with Encompass?v  E    He's busy making cold calls to those of us not going to St. Louis.i   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.472 ************************ perfectly on Netscape 3.03. >   J    I'm using the news reader on EISNER.  Based on old Noç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    ç    