1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 28 Aug 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 474       Contents: Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article Re: "inview" Article ANN: vMac ported to VMS  Re: Another HPETS2002 Question3 Re: anyone have a source for MMJ cables in the UK ? 3 Re: anyone have a source for MMJ cables in the UK ?  Calling Nic Clews ... 2 Re: Catalyst 4006 - no link with alpha server 1000" DCPS Supported Printers? HP2500CM?& Re: DCPS Supported Printers? HP2500CM?& Re: DCPS Supported Printers? HP2500CM?& Re: DCPS Supported Printers? HP2500CM?* Re: Digital Terminal Concentrator PC4XB-DB& Hardware info for VaxStations 3100 ???- Health Data Management  OpenVMS Advertisement 1 Re: Health Data Management  OpenVMS Advertisement ' Re: High quality of HP Software support  How to configure TCP IP  Re: How to configure TCP IP * HP earnings - how did the VMS business do?. Re: HP earnings - how did the VMS business do?. Re: HP earnings - how did the VMS business do?" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly" Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly HPETS . Re: Is the HP/Compaq merger really going well?. Re: Is the HP/Compaq merger really going well?. Re: Is there a problem with the Info-Vax list? Re: link warnings... Re: link warnings... linking warnings...  Re: linking warnings...  Re: linking warnings...  Re: Low-level format SCSI disk Re: Low-level format SCSI disk Re: Low-level format SCSI disk Re: MATCHC Instruction Re: MATCHC Instruction Re: Old games for VAX system. . Re: OT Mac OS X woes, but advice needed please re white boxen Re: Reverse LAT  Re: Reverse LAT  Re: Reverse LAT 7 Re: Seeking bootable VMS image for simulator on FreeBSD / Re: Server Market Is Down in the Second Quarter " Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" RE: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week" Re: silliest thing heard this week Re: Simple cluster- Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance - Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance - Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance - Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance - RE: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance - Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance - Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance   TLZ09 hardware/software problem?' Re: Various tidbits about HP financials ' Re: Various tidbits about HP financials ' Re: Various tidbits about HP financials ' Re: Various tidbits about HP financials ' Re: Various tidbits about HP financials  VMS 7.1-2 Process Monitoring  Re: VMS 7.1-2 Process Monitoring  Re: VMS 7.1-2 Process Monitoring# Re: VMS 7.3-1 Doc set... plain jane # Re: VMS 7.3-1 Doc set... plain jane  VMS sales in 2001 # Re: What's going on with Encompass? $ Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?$ Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95? Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.0.30   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:10:09 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: "inview" Article B Message-ID: <lH_a9.241686$m91.9952304@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:$jLh0cv8lVlP@elias.decus.ch...    ...   F > I a reference I just posted to a white paper on the Tru64 site which > refers to VMS as below.  > @ > (Thanks to my local VMS ambassador for pointing this one out). > F > White paper comparing clustering techniques in light of DT (Disaster
 > Tolerance).  >  > > I http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/unix/illuminata_dt_unix_research_note.pdf   K I guess you missed the pointer Keith Parris gave to this paper just under a K week ago.  If it hadn't said "Illuminata" on it, I would have suspected him  of having written it.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:08:17 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: "inview" Article H Message-ID: <R23b9.24272$6m61.6794@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:$jLh0cv8lVlP@elias.decus.ch... H > In article <BSUa9.4351$GK2.1938@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,% "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > > L > > Here it is, late August 2002 and we are having stuff from HP land on CIO / L > > CTO desks and everyone else on down the line and all they see is the big$ > > blank spot when it comes to VMS. > >  > G > Not entirely a blank spot. Yesterday I received an HP flyer which was B > specifically for VMS and Tru64 Alphaservers. A picture of a coinJ > operated binocular machine, and a silver coin like token, with the theme > of "Vision". > F > I a reference I just posted to a white paper on the Tru64 site which > refers to VMS as below.   F Didn't see the flyer - might only be a Euro thing. Know of any non-VMS customer that received one?     A Saw the Illuminata article.  Too bad HP doesn't do something with 
 it...like....    "For Security and Stability  Return to the Gold Standard*   Nothing provides more security# or peace of mind for your computing " environment than OpenVMS clusters.  $ Rated more reliable and more capable$    than anything unix has to offer.*               OpenVMS       The Gold Standard   * Source: Illuminata"      or  "                      "Shit Happens  2   (pictures of flattened buildings, Euro-flooding,0    buildings sealed off by police cordon, people5    leaving building in CW suits, building fires, etc)   7    When your building goes down, it doesn't necessarily 2     mean that your business goes down with it too.  0    Disaster-tolerant clusters built with OpenVMS4    are the only clusters that can protect your vital.      business computing over large enough area/        to avoid natural and man-made disasters.   %                      OpenVMS clusters +        The best insurance in the business."     % or this one aimed at CEO's...........     1 "   You've certified that your financial results.   (     Now certify to your shareholders and+     business partners that you are prepared #                   for any disaster.   -    Back your business with the Gold Standard* (          in disaster-tolerant computing,                 OpenVMS clusters.  0    With near instantaneous failover at distances*       of up to 500km, your vital computing,      infrastructure will always be available,  no matter what nature or man throws at you.                  OpenVMS clusters &        The best insurance you can buy.  '      #Sold only to existing customers."    *Source: Illuminata   #Source: Hewlett Packard Company    . all (c) 2002, John Smith. All Rights Reserved.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:23:13 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>  Subject: Re: "inview" Article < Message-ID: <594b9.46534$_91.1325@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message@ news:BSUa9.4351$GK2.1938@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...   <snip? > K > Sounds like a major and serious marketing campaign for OpenVMS that Carly J > will be announcing in the next issue of InView. If she doesn't, then one has  > to wonder......  >   ? No, one should have a pretty good idea about the future of VMS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:08:43 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: "inview" Article % Message-ID: <3D6CD96B.171227@aaa.com>   9 Well, got it today. I'm running my own consulting company = with no VMS support contract in my own name. But I usualy get 2 whatever is sent out to "VMS customers" in Sweden.  9 I saw your advertising sudgestions. You know, some people 2 does a lot of cash writing this kind if things :-)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    John Smith wrote:  >  > H > Didn't see the flyer - might only be a Euro thing. Know of any non-VMS > customer that received one?  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:01:46 GMT . From: ">>> ^P" <plj@NOSPAM.byron.ext.telia.se>  Subject: ANN: vMac ported to VMS8 Message-ID: <3D6CE5E0.179F490@NOSPAM.byron.ext.telia.se>  
 Hi VMS-folks,   H I have managed to get vMac 1.8.3 (rather old now...) to build and run on
 VMS Alpha,G vMac is a Macintosh-emulator, that emulates a MC68000 CPU and the other 	 hardware. F You need a C-compiler to rebuild the sources, DECW-MOTIF to run and of courseC a rom-image of a Mac-Plus and a bootable disk-image of an Mac-OS is 	 required.  It's available here:5 ftp://byron.ext.telia.se/vms/tdf/VMAC-0_1_8_3_VMS.ZIP C or http://byron.ext.telia.se/anonymous/VMS/TDF/VMAC-0_1_8_3_VMS.ZIP 
 A screenshot: ? http://byron.ext.telia.se/anonymous/VMS/TDF/VMAC_VMS_SELECT.JPG @ VMS-porting page: http://byron.ext.telia.se/vms/vmsporting.htmlx No VAX test has been done yet.   Check out or file archives: , http://byron.ext.telia.se/tdf/freeware.htmlx  	 >>> ^P.Lj    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:24:09 -0400 K From: "Encompass - HP Enterprise Technology Symposium" <KilleenJ@toast.net> ' Subject: Re: Another HPETS2002 Question / Message-ID: <umpua5bb2d3566@corp.supernews.com>   L David if we had run a 5 day symposium this year it would have been accepted.< The "Unix" and "Advanced DCL" sessions were almost accepted.  H Understand OpenVMS has more sessions than either Tru64, HP-UX, Linux, orF Microsoft.  Not by much but more.  That wasn't the prime driver on theI number of sessions.  The prime driver was how many ways one can split the H audience up.  Using a prototypical OVMS attendee they should have 2 OVMSE sessions, 1 storage session, and 1 Alpha/Itanium session to go to per K breakout time slot.  They will also have a hands-on session they can attend L about 50 percent of the time.  That doesn't count other sessions of interestH such as Networking, Linux, and OpenView (yes folks you would be smart to understand OpenView).    FYI...  * http://members.toast.net/killeenj/ovms.pdf  3 http://members.toast.net/killeenj/ScheduleAug27.pdf    --   Jeff Killeen   All Info: http://www.Killeen.cc   ? ---------------------------------------------------------------   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D6C40C6.F434EAD5@fsi.net... 7 > Encompass - HP Enterprise Technology Symposium wrote:  > > I > > A number of User Sessions are in the program.  We tended to take case  study  > > sessions from users. > F > My case-study session was rejected (Advanced DCL Programming). MaybeJ > I'll try submitting a one-day seminar next year encompassing the Intro.,4 > Intermed. and Advanced sessions with case studies. > J > I was especially perplexed that my "OpenVMS for Windows and UN*X People"G > was rejected as well. With the HP/Compaq merger, I would think that a H > large pool of such folks (Linux, W/NT and W2K on Proliant, HP-UX on HPD > hardware) would be finding themselves thrust into such a fray withH > barely a minimum of prep. At least my handouts would have given them a > fighting chance. >  > *Heavy sigh* > I > Time permitting this fall/winter, I'll cook up the PPTs anyway and post H > 'em in my Hobbyist support area as HTML, PDF and PPT just like my Fall > DECUS '99 sessions.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:18:52 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> < Subject: Re: anyone have a source for MMJ cables in the UK ?8 Message-ID: <4l1pmuodo0m9176ukegca40v32oijpdsgc@4ax.com>  A On 28 Aug 2002 02:42:22 +0100, joechip31@hotmail.com (Herb Asher)  wrote:   >Hi people,  > F >Is there anywhere in the UK where I can get an MMJ cable made up to aF >required lengh. I have a 10ft cable and a very very long cable and no; >inbetween ones which is what I need (15ft would be ideal).   B Just about anywhere that supplies cables I'd imagine. For example,   www.blackbox.co.uk      !      Item  Code  Price ()  Qty    DEC 423 MMJ Cable   $ 3.0-m (10-ft.)  EVAAD-0010  6.10    $ 7.6-m (25-ft.)  EVAAD-0025  6.60    % 15.2-m (50-ft.)  EVAAD-0050  9.90      Custom Lengths  EVAAD  6.50      MMJ Straight-Pinned Cable   % 3.0-m (10-ft.)  EHM007-0010  4.10     % 7.6-m (25-ft.)  EHM007-0025  6.70      MMJ Connector  FM100  1.00            < www.simply.co.uk also produced results with a search for mmj  B >I found a USA site and will order from there but just wondered if" >there is anythnig nearer to home. >  >Thanks, >Joe >  > G >______________________________________________________________________ S >Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com L >      <><><><><><><>   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <><><><><><><><> >      -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 17:35:39 +0100( From: joechip31@hotmail.com (Herb Asher)< Subject: Re: anyone have a source for MMJ cables in the UK ?8 Message-ID: <3d6cfbc5.8839069@news1.uncensored-news.com>  E Thanks I did not realise they were that widely available. I'm used to  people fighting over them. :O)  
 Thanks again,     C On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:18:52 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  wrote:  B >On 28 Aug 2002 02:42:22 +0100, joechip31@hotmail.com (Herb Asher) >wrote:  >  >>Hi people, >>G >>Is there anywhere in the UK where I can get an MMJ cable made up to a G >>required lengh. I have a 10ft cable and a very very long cable and no < >>inbetween ones which is what I need (15ft would be ideal). > C >Just about anywhere that supplies cables I'd imagine. For example,  >  >www.blackbox.co.uk  >  >  > " >     Item  Code  Price (?)  Qty   >DEC 423 MMJ Cable  % >3.0-m (10-ft.)  EVAAD-0010  6.10     % >7.6-m (25-ft.)  EVAAD-0025  6.60     & >15.2-m (50-ft.)  EVAAD-0050  9.90      >Custom Lengths  EVAAD  6.50     >MMJ Straight-Pinned Cable  & >3.0-m (10-ft.)  EHM007-0010  4.10    & >7.6-m (25-ft.)  EHM007-0025  6.70     >MMJ Connector  FM100  1.00      >    > = >www.simply.co.uk also produced results with a search for mmj  > C >>I found a USA site and will order from there but just wondered if # >>there is anythnig nearer to home.  >>	 >>Thanks,  >>Joe  >> >>H >>______________________________________________________________________T >>Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.comM >>      <><><><><><><>   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <><><><><><><><>  >>      F ______________________________________________________________________R Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.comK       <><><><><><><>   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <><><><><><><><>       ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:39:52 GMT ' From: Ford Prefect <spam@microsoft.com>  Subject: Calling Nic Clews ...* Message-ID: <3D6B9D3E.10402@microsoft.com>  I Is that Nic Clews of MCCLEWS, Systime running RSTS/E Vsomething.something E at B.I.H.E (around 1984), formerly proud owner of the loudest in-car   alarm (installed> in a cavernous white Ford Cortina estate) that strategic arms  limitations treatises allowed?   ???    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:44:58 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ; Subject: Re: Catalyst 4006 - no link with alpha server 1000 8 Message-ID: <ut2pmuob6tssf6g9ktbokbt7ujtb3q28a4@4ax.com>  B On 27 Aug 2002 21:04:01 -0700, pg1221@hotmail.com (ratheza) wrote:  G >I have an issue with my new network equipment and our older machines.  F >We have 3 Alpha Server 1000s, running Meditech on MAGIC.  We had someG >downtime scheduled a few weeks ago, so i took the oppportunity to plug G >them into my Cisco Catalyst 4006.  But seeing as it was a good time to G >do this, of course it didn't work - i couldn't even get a link light.  E >I learned later these servers will only communicate at 10/half, so i E >set the ports on the 4006 correspondingly, but still no luck.  These C >servers are mission-critical (hosptial), so unfortunately I cannot D >take them offline to test.  Any ideas?  I imagine there is an issue  F There is absolutely no reason why this shouldn't work whether tru64 ot< VMS is running on the machines.. What were they plugged into previously?u  > Also you can stick DE-500 ethernet cards into them if you need	 100Mb/sec   E >with broadcast, but would that affect the physical link notificationtF >on the cisco?  I can get more detailed on the equip info when i am inE >the hospital, don't know if any of you have worked with this kind of?" >set up?  hope not =)....  thanks!  > Please provide any further info you can including VMS or tru64 version.   >patrick   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:12:29 GMTt- From: Stefan.Bill@soudronic.com (Stefan Bill)P+ Subject: DCPS Supported Printers? HP2500CM? . Message-ID: <3d6c848f.8621827@news.cis.dfn.de>   Hi  , I only find this List of Supported Printers:@ http://www.compaq.com/products/printers/decvms/listprinters.html   Is this List actual?" Is the HP2500CM Printer supported?   I have DCPS 2.0 installed.   Thanks.m regards, Stefan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:40:20 GMTa- From: "labadie" <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr>o/ Subject: Re: DCPS Supported Printers? HP2500CM?p0 Message-ID: <U%%a9.3$387.37926@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "Stefan Bill" <Stefan.Bill@soudronic.com> wrote in message( news:3d6c848f.8621827@news.cis.dfn.de... > Hi >s. > I only find this List of Supported Printers:B > http://www.compaq.com/products/printers/decvms/listprinters.html >S > Is this List actual?  J As this list refers to Dcps 1.8, and Dcps 2.1 is current, this list is not up to date.d     > I have DCPS 2.0 installed.K This HP2500CM clearly is not supported with Dcps 2.0, as I do not see it inV the file dcps020_spd.txtr  G  Dcps 2.1 add support for 26 new printers, among them, the following HPg
 Laserjet 2200k 4100 9000  / So at the moment this HP will not be supported.t? It may work, if this printer does bi-directional communication.h- And with the merge, it may be supported soon.e   Regardsl   Grard   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:30:59 GMTh* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: DCPS Supported Printers? HP2500CM?G5 Message-ID: <280820021124075281%paul.anderson@hp.com>a  : In article <3d6c848f.8621827@news.cis.dfn.de>, Stefan Bill" <Stefan.Bill@soudronic.com> wrote:  $ > Is the HP2500CM Printer supported? > I have DCPS 2.0 installed.  H The 2500CM is not supported by DCPS, even in the current version, V2.1. @ DCPS, with a few exceptions, has supported only laser printers. C However, HP does have some PostScript inkjet printers, of which the C 2500CM is one.  We will be looking at the possibility of supporting " such printers in a future release.  + For now, I've put your request on the list.    Paul   -- s  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringp   Hewlett-Packard Companyo   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:19:58 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h/ Subject: Re: DCPS Supported Printers? HP2500CM?e, Message-ID: <3D6D0636.C143B2F6@videotron.ca>   Paul Anderson wrote:I > The 2500CM is not supported by DCPS, even in the current version, V2.1. A > DCPS, with a few exceptions, has supported only laser printers.DE > However, HP does have some PostScript inkjet printers, of which the" > 2500CM is one. u    G Does DCPS actually see a difference between a laser, inkjet or whatever % printer as long as it is postscript ?r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:47:31 -0500o2 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>3 Subject: Re: Digital Terminal Concentrator PC4XB-DBt/ Message-ID: <umpvl4ivhsq8d4@corp.supernews.com>/  ; WOW! A second person knows about this thing! Thanks, David!.  I I had posted in comp.sys.dec and today had a response there too. Now I atnC least I know what the thing is for and can safely say that my first . impression was correct, "yup, its a doorstop".  F Seriously, if anyone wants the thing, email me and it is yours for theL shipping. I don't do SCO any more, and have a nice Digiboard on the shelf ifC I do need terminal access (or serial I/O) to one of my Linux boxes.    Regards, Stuart Johnson ssj152 AT charter DOT net     < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D6C3AC9.24A75936@fsi.net...e > Stuart Johnson wrote:@ > >o8 > > << First posted to comp.sys.dec, no responses yet >> > > K > > Does anyone know what a (Digital) Terminal Concentrator, model PC4XB-DBd is,hJ > > or have a pointer to information on the net about the device? It looksL > > somewhat like a terminal server, but is smaller (8"x7"x1.5"), has 8-RJ45F > > ports (not MMJ!), a connector marked "optional POWER", and another	 connectorbB > > marked "HOST". The "HOST" connector is similar to a PS/2 mouse
 connector,L > > but doesn't have the keying slot that a mouse connector does. It is also > > labeled "29-28309-01-B01". > >eL > > The only writing on the box that seems useful is "Use only with adaptersK > > noted in the instructional manual". This makes it sound like a terminalg- > > server that is used with a network card??b > > I > > I received this with some other equipment from a friend and am buggedoI > > because I've never heard of such a device before, and wonder if it ise worthlA > > fooling with. My friend didn't know anything about it either.  > F > I have one of those here. I may even have the driver for it, but theI > caveat is that it only works with SCO-UNIX/IA32, and there is a countero- > part card that goes in the ISA cage, AFAIK.o >n > -- > David J. Dachteran > dba DJE Systemsd > http://www.djesys.com/ >o* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:02:44 -0700a% From: tomalak@subdimension.com_NOSPAMo/ Subject: Hardware info for VaxStations 3100 ???g, Message-ID: <3D6D0234.76FE@subdimension.com>   Hi,s  G Those of you who are familiar with Ralph Brown's interrupt list for x86tG (which includes a huge amount of info regarding various system hardwaree3 bits, I/O, memory, etc.) know what i'm looking for.e  D I've found numerous pages dedicated to VS 3100 series and some sitesF dedicated to Vaxen in general (www.vaxarchive.org and others) but noneH of them contains the info i need. It looks just as if only tinkering oneH can do with his Vax is checking for memory, system devices and attaching- the mouse... I wonder where people working on H NetBSD/OpenBSD/FreeVMS/Linux/etc. projects get their info from :) When iH asked them they mentioned Vax Architecture Reference Manual - apparentlyC not a copy of this book exists where i live and nobody cares enoughcF about it to put that info in electronic form (like abovementioned RB's< intlist; excellent resource ... but for wrong architecture).  C I have VS 3100 model 48 (KA42-B), i'm especially interested in inforA about on-board mono framebuffer, SCSI HD controller, DMA handling5D (everything regarding DMA on this box) and LANCE ethernet controller> (the built-in hardware). I'm also interested in keyboard/mouse
 protocols.  G I also have a question regarding expandability of VS 3100s: these boxes E don't have any system bus connectors. SCSI bus is probably unsuitableeB for attachment of custom-built hardware but there is memory bus onF daughterboard card - is it possible to use that bus to access homebrewH devices via memory space ? How do memory expansion boards work (is thereF some sort of protocol used by the system to identify the board ?), howG does system  ROM check their type, size and so on ? What about OSes, dotB they rely on information returned by ROM (i.e. on amount of memoryG supposedly present) or do they use their own routies to determine exacts configuration ?.  B And clues will be greatly appreciated !!! Please reply via e-mail.	 Thanks :)h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:24:47 -0600e) From: medibanc <medibanc@dimensional.com>o6 Subject: Health Data Management  OpenVMS Advertisement/ Message-ID: <3D6CF94F.6E7DA3B6@dimensional.com>-  H Health Data Management, The August issue has a full page ad on an inside  B    cover for IDX solutions. HP OpenVMS and AlphaServer systems are highlyA    visible words in IDX's ad copy!  The tasteful ad shows a papertF    airplane made out of what appears to be plans representing Leonardo Da?    Vinci's concept of a flying machine with the copy: We took a 	 promising G    idea... and made it fly. And most importantly a separate part of the 3    ad shows the (hp invent) logo and the following:-  G    IDX enterprise software runs on the HP OpenVMS AlphaServer platform.eC    Open VMS delivers the high availabilty, scalability and securityo required>    for successful healthcare information networks.  HP OpenVMS healthcare-uF    critical, 24x365, e-business solutions have been exceeding customer/    expectations for over 20 years.   www.hp.comn  F    So, I was glad to see this and just wanted to share it. I'm pleased to seeE    that HP is apparantly supporting OpenVMS into the future and liked  seeing:    a Healthcare Vendor actively marketing on the platform.  & John Kippley  I.T. mgr  Medibanc, inc.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 12:21:41 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s: Subject: Re: Health Data Management  OpenVMS Advertisement3 Message-ID: <Kb79hQWSZ6e4@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  [ In article <3D6CF94F.6E7DA3B6@dimensional.com>, medibanc <medibanc@dimensional.com> writes:   H >    So, I was glad to see this and just wanted to share it. I'm pleased > to seeG >    that HP is apparantly supporting OpenVMS into the future and liked  > seeing< >    a Healthcare Vendor actively marketing on the platform.   Thanks for letting us know.   @ But here is where we all jump in to complain there is no such ad> in _our_ favorite publication, like Field and Stream or Square Dancing Today :-)e   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2002 12:22:07 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: High quality of HP Software support6 Message-ID: <akif9e$1i8ej5$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  - In article <87d6s8b0fd.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,c/ 	Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:- > E > "Ah, hell, I thought I fixed that!" Well, it turns out he had, thennD > there was an unfix added the next day. It was specific to an 11/44 > with 128MB of memory.w  < Wow.  Sure wish I could put that into my 11/44's......   :-)   bill   -- aJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:05:29 -0400N, From: "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc>  Subject: How to configure TCP IPA Message-ID: <lH5b9.86431$%v4.4034045@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>H    Hi,K         It's been a while since I have configure TCP IP in an vax or alpha.aG I have one at my house now after years without using one and I'm havingi5 problems setting an ip address so I can telnet to it.n# I run the @sys$manager:tcpip$configPA and set the ip but I can't ping it from any of windows computers.F   If anyone can help.a Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:28:43 +0100tE From: Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> $ Subject: Re: How to configure TCP IP8 Message-ID: <gtqpmugcs0ccbr57nfbeoqs9odeeatcsuq@4ax.com>  6 On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:05:29 -0400, "Francisco Ortega" <fortega@iblues.cc> wrote:   > Hi, L >        It's been a while since I have configure TCP IP in an vax or alpha.H >I have one at my house now after years without using one and I'm having6 >problems setting an ip address so I can telnet to it.$ >I run the @sys$manager:tcpip$configB >and set the ip but I can't ping it from any of windows computers. >o >If anyone can help. >Thanks  >e >( >t  F On the VMS machine, can you UCX PING your own IP address? If so, IP isC started, if not user TCPIP$CONFIG to start it. If it will not start)* that's another fish of kettles altogether.  D Check the network masks on the VMS and win machines are the same, ifB they are on the same network, and that the IP addresses are in theD same network. If different networks, have both got gateway addresses defined?  1 Please post IP settings for VMS and windows here.0   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:00:34 -0600 (MDT)I" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com>3 Subject: HP earnings - how did the VMS business do?eG Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0208280859020.21298-100000@athena.csdco.com>_  G Does anyone know how the VMS part of HPs business is doing financially?t  
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:42:23 +0100nU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>-7 Subject: Re: HP earnings - how did the VMS business do?m0 Message-ID: <akiujd$srf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   John Nebel wrote:i  I > Does anyone know how the VMS part of HPs business is doing financially?s >     2 The HP numbers don't say however the business unit0 that its part of lost 422 million dollars before' any charges associated with the merger.1     Regardsg Andrew Harrisonn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:18:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e7 Subject: Re: HP earnings - how did the VMS business do?p, Message-ID: <3D6D05DF.E9D5EFC3@videotron.ca>   John Nebel wrote:c > I > Does anyone know how the VMS part of HPs business is doing financially?   L If there was no know to know under Compaq, do you really think that HP would reveal that information ?   J Note that HP's press release talked only about wintel as well a HP's "own"8 products and did not mention Digital or Tandem products.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:06:55 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>E+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothly10 Message-ID: <aki7du$ljg$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Terry C. Shannon wrote:   N > Well, seems to me that HPQ pretty much made its numbers, and it sure as hellF > doesn't look as bad as Sun (which might be a bargain at four bucks). >      How do you work that out._  0 HPQ came in short of their revenue goal and with6 a 2+ billion dollar loss mostly due to re-structuring.  3 The fact that they were even close on their revenuer3 numbers was due to better than expected performance_3 by the imaging and printing business which grew 9%._  5 Wintel revenues were down 20%, Enterprise servers 22%91 on this basis HPQ is rapidly becoming the printer>0 company many people think they have always been.  8 If there is any good news it is that the most profitable> part of the company (printing) grew revenue and profitability.  6 On the other hand Enterprise Servers and services both5 key businesses for HP because of their potential highS3 operating margins have gone backwards. With serversI- losing money and services margins going down.   7 Of course talk of margins is at the moment hypotheticalr5 HP's PC, Server and Storage businesses are all losinga2 money. HP are projecting a return to profitability4 for the PC business in April but refused to be drawn7 on Servers and Storage which lost a wacking 422 million0 dollars.  2 It would appear that currently the only thing that2 separates HP from Sun is HP's printing and imaging. business and at least Sun's Server and Storage3 businesses are actually growing and were profitabled1 in the last quarter which isn't the case for HPQ.0    I > But it's fun to watch the whiners at Read Herring, et al, make complete, > asses of themselves. >     0 Interesting because in fact they are pretty much on the button.  2 The fact that the division that this group depends. on for their livelyhood is bleeding red ink is3 hardly reasuring coupled with HP not being prepared  to give turn arround dates.6  / Correct me but you cannot currently run OpenVMSe on a HP photo copier can you.a   Regardsr Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:02:46 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went SmoothlyiK Message-ID: <WR3b9.118748$8aG1.102400@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>n  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D6C3BCA.6A2AC9A1@fsi.net...f >tB > At what point in the MBA course did they mention "loss leaders"?    L It would appear that HP's loss leaders are not driving additional profitable= business their way, which is the whole point of loss leaders.   F If they make so much money on printers and consumables that it doesn'tH matter, then the smart thing to do is exit the PC business entirely. The: capital free'd up by doing so would boost shareholder ROE.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:44:02 -04006- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>f+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlyw, Message-ID: <3D6CEFC1.2B3FC66B@videotron.ca>   John Smith wrote: H > If they make so much money on printers and consumables that it doesn'tJ > matter, then the smart thing to do is exit the PC business entirely. The< > capital free'd up by doing so would boost shareholder ROE.  @ Remember the "Windows will eviscerate" strategy from Compaq/HP ?  H If the corporation firmly believes that Windows will eventually rule theN world, then exiting the pC business now would not be a good move. They want toN be a leader when Windows starts to rule the world at which point it may becomeL profitable because it will be sold to run serious applications which require3 support , integration and fancy expensive hardware.t  J If HP were not in the wintel business, then when wintel starts to rule theK world, HP will be tossed out and forgotten while Dell, IBM and Gateway will  greatly expand and grow.  M The difference between HP and IBM is that HP seems to be betting its businesskK on wintel dominated world whereas IBM just wants to keep a foot in the door,
 just in case.r  J Where the "loss leader" may come in howevere is in residential PCs.  SinceJ printers and imaging seem to be profitable to HP, perhaps they figure thatM they should dump consumer PCs at a loss in the hopes that the more people run:N HP PCs, the mroe people will be buying HP printers and HP photo/imaging stuff.L Whether this is true or not, I have no idea. But HP has clearly been able toJ sell its proprietary printers to non HP PC owners, otherwise they wouldn'tQ have stolen the market from  EPSON (which had stolen the market from Centronics).c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:49:29 +0100eU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>0+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlyl0 Message-ID: <akiv0o$t1i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:v   > John Smith wrote:h > H >>If they make so much money on printers and consumables that it doesn'tJ >>matter, then the smart thing to do is exit the PC business entirely. The< >>capital free'd up by doing so would boost shareholder ROE. >> > B > Remember the "Windows will eviscerate" strategy from Compaq/HP ? > J > If the corporation firmly believes that Windows will eventually rule theP > world, then exiting the pC business now would not be a good move. They want toP > be a leader when Windows starts to rule the world at which point it may becomeN > profitable because it will be sold to run serious applications which require5 > support , integration and fancy expensive hardware.i > L > If HP were not in the wintel business, then when wintel starts to rule theM > world, HP will be tossed out and forgotten while Dell, IBM and Gateway willD > greatly expand and grow. >     ; This is fine except that the PC business seems to be ratherA/ less of a problem than the Enterprise business.v  : The PC business lost money, nearly 200 million dollars but8 this is an improvement and HP are projecting a return to profitability in early 2003.  7 The Enterprise business lost 422 million dollars and nou4 one is prepared to put a stake in the ground on when  profitability will be recovered.  5 At the moment at least on the evidence of the balance 6 sheet the loss leaders are the big servers, presumably6 being offered up at a loss to boost printer sales :):)   Regards  Andrew Harrisonh    O > The difference between HP and IBM is that HP seems to be betting its business M > on wintel dominated world whereas IBM just wants to keep a foot in the door  > just in case.  > L > Where the "loss leader" may come in howevere is in residential PCs.  SinceL > printers and imaging seem to be profitable to HP, perhaps they figure thatO > they should dump consumer PCs at a loss in the hopes that the more people runtP > HP PCs, the mroe people will be buying HP printers and HP photo/imaging stuff.N > Whether this is true or not, I have no idea. But HP has clearly been able toL > sell its proprietary printers to non HP PC owners, otherwise they wouldn'tS > have stolen the market from  EPSON (which had stolen the market from Centronics)." >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:22:17 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>n+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlyh2 Message-ID: <dF7b9.28$Rv7.496756@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message ... >d >i >Terry C. Shannon wrote: > J >> Well, seems to me that HPQ pretty much made its numbers, and it sure as hellG >> doesn't look as bad as Sun (which might be a bargain at four bucks).y >> >w >  >How do you work that out. >o1 >HPQ came in short of their revenue goal and withK7 >a 2+ billion dollar loss mostly due to re-structuring.  >p  K $200k short of the $16.7b goal, but right on the numbers for earnings at 14w cents.   >m3 >It would appear that currently the only thing thate3 >separates HP from Sun is HP's printing and imagingn/ >business and at least Sun's Server and Storaget4 >businesses are actually growing and were profitable2 >in the last quarter which isn't the case for HPQ. >R  , I'd say there was quite a bit seperating us.  D Given that the street estimates for Sun's earnings are being revisedH downward, your stock is down 20 cents today (maybe about to crash the $4I barrier on it's way to book value of $3) - perhaps you might want to holdw> onto a few of those stones being thrown from your glass house.   >eJ >> But it's fun to watch the whiners at Read Herring, et al, make complete >> asses of themselves.s >> >t >i1 >Interesting because in fact they are pretty much  >on the button.e >S   Not.  3 >The fact that the division that this group dependst/ >on for their livelyhood is bleeding red ink is 4 >hardly reasuring coupled with HP not being prepared >to give turn arround dates. >    What is Suns turnaround date?   0 >Correct me but you cannot currently run OpenVMS >on a HP photo copier can you. >u  G I'll be waiting with baited breath for Sun's latest loss estimate to berC reported Thursday - heck I may have to dial in from vacation I'm so  interested.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:36:40 GMTd5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>.+ Subject: Re: HP-Compaq Merger Went Smoothlyi2 Message-ID: <IS7b9.30$Dw7.512123@news.cpqcorp.net>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:55:39 GMTt# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>  Subject: HPETS: Message-ID: <Lv5b9.7502$Rx4.43144@twister.tampabay.rr.com>  I I posted this question to a different thread earlier this morning, but it > has not showed up yet, so I will ask again, and add a comment.  L Will the general sessions at HPETS start on Monday AM, like the old days, or* on Tuesday, like the last time I attended.   Which hotel will be the HQ?s   Here is my comment:y  K My management recently attended a private briefing from HP.  That was a bigbK surprise to me all by itself.  I am not sure if there were any restrictions-L on what they can say about what went on, but I can say this.  They came backJ rather fired up about the future of HPQ and VMS.  They asked me to prepareK some questions to take with them.  My questions revolved around HPQ's planseJ and advice regarding VMS and VMS futures, Moving from Tru64 to VMS insteadI of HPUX,  Alpha VMS to Itanium migration,  and overall VMS comparisons toi Windoze and Unix.h  I This is one of the first briefings where they did not come back and startsJ firing up more VMS to Unix projects.  In fact, they came back and ASKED me: to attend HPETS to get more info on VMS technical futures.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:48:03 -0400o1 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccusker@charter.net>r7 Subject: Re: Is the HP/Compaq merger really going well? / Message-ID: <umpe3offhdfj95@corp.supernews.com>c  # "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"l> <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message* news:akg9gn$3a0$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >e >n; > Mr Byron's stance of not holding any stock as a financial : > writer is something that readers of the Mirror Newspaper8 > in the UK, whose journalists were accused of profiting, > from financial tips would find refreshing. >H  K that would be true just about anywhere, but, as usual it twists and diverts J the point to one that reflects positively on your opinions and statements.  & Fine, ... whatever, .. you win Andrew.  L (I wonder if anyone from this group hangs out in the Sun groups just to be aI PITA?  I know I have better things to do with my time than even bother to7 look)i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:54:23 +0100wU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> 7 Subject: Re: Is the HP/Compaq merger really going well? 0 Message-ID: <akiv9u$t2s$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Brad McCusker wrote:  % > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"i@ > <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message, > news:akg9gn$3a0$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >  >>; >>Mr Byron's stance of not holding any stock as a financial : >>writer is something that readers of the Mirror Newspaper8 >>in the UK, whose journalists were accused of profiting, >>from financial tips would find refreshing. >> >> > M > that would be true just about anywhere, but, as usual it twists and divertssL > the point to one that reflects positively on your opinions and statements. >     , So why isn't it true in this case if that is  what you are trying to suggest ?      ( > Fine, ... whatever, .. you win Andrew. > N > (I wonder if anyone from this group hangs out in the Sun groups just to be aK > PITA?  I know I have better things to do with my time than even bother to| > look)h    / Well if being a pain in the ass is pointing outt2 what is in fact the truth in the face of a torrent, of BS then I suspect that there are a lot of3 people in that possition in many of the newsgroups.    Regardsc Andrew Harrisont   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:37:24 -0400%' From: "Wayne W. Scott" <wscott@nac.net> 7 Subject: Re: Is there a problem with the Info-Vax list?T& Message-ID: <3D6CA7E4.8020600@nac.net>   Hi Ken:n  B I think Hunter Goatley decided to can it because of low technical  activity and increasing SPAM!t   Wayne      Ken Robinson wrote:n  H > I tried to subscribe from another email address and got the following * > back from Info-Vax-request@mvb.saic.com: >- > [subscribe info-vax] >,. > The mailing list 'INFO-VAX' is unknown here. >  > Ken Robinson >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:05:27 +1000-1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>  Subject: Re: link warnings...4, Message-ID: <3D6C6827.9080102@tg.nsw.gov.au>   aniruddha patwardhan wrote:e= > Hi I am getting following warnning while linking C program.I > & > %LINK-W-WRNERS, compilation warningsE >         in module XYZ file OAK$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSUPD.PWD045]XYZ.OBJ;1l > + > (name of module and name of file changed)  > M > can anyone elobarate more on why I am getting this warning and how should Ic > remove it? >  > TIA( > Aniruddhae >   F Because XYC.C compiled with warnings.  To get rid of them, modify the D source code such that you have no more warnings when you compile it.   Regards, Paddy        G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited..  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid wA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the b= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with 1C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesm> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment."s  G ***********************************************************************s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:25:03 GMT J From: Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jguilla-at-attglobal-dot-net@nospam.please> Subject: Re: link warnings...n+ Message-ID: <dabika.c0s.ln@gw1.localdomain>e   aniruddha patwardhan wrote:-= > Hi I am getting following warnning while linking C program.0 > & > %LINK-W-WRNERS, compilation warningsE >         in module XYZ file OAK$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSUPD.PWD045]XYZ.OBJ;1s+ > (name of module and name of file changed)o > M > can anyone elobarate more on why I am getting this warning and how should If > remove it?  H This message means that the compilation which produced XYZ.OBJ finished H with a WARNING status rather than a SUCCESS/INFORMATIONAL one. The only H way to "remove" the warning is to find out the cause of the compilation B warning, fix it in XYZ.OBJ's source and compile that module again.   JG   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:03:24 +0530m; From: "aniruddha patwardhan" <aniruddha_patwardhan@bmc.com>e Subject: linking warnings.../ Message-ID: <umoo4hokc5cu48@corp.supernews.com>S   Hi,w: I am getting following warnings while linking a C program.  > %LINK-W-MULPSC, conflicting attributes for psect VVERRORPREFIXC         in module XYZ file OAK$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSUPD.PWD045]XYZ.OLB;1_  ) (name of module and name of file changed)n  ? any suggestion why this warning and how to remove this warning?h   TIAt	 Aniruddhar   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 08:50:28 +0200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)n  Subject: Re: linking warnings...+ Message-ID: <HZZDz+Put4hq@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   m In article <umoo4hokc5cu48@corp.supernews.com>, "aniruddha patwardhan" <aniruddha_patwardhan@bmc.com> writes:t > Hi, < > I am getting following warnings while linking a C program. > @ > %LINK-W-MULPSC, conflicting attributes for psect VVERRORPREFIXE >         in module XYZ file OAK$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSUPD.PWD045]XYZ.OLB;1e > + > (name of module and name of file changed)a > A > any suggestion why this warning and how to remove this warning?  >   @ The linker just tells You that module XYZ had compiler warnings.K Get the source of XYZ (.c,.for,.pas ...), compile it, see what the compiler : tells you, correct the source to compile without warnings.   --: Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Max-Planck-Institut Physik,Muenchen, : http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber                            ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:44:32 GMTa0 From: Paul Winalski <prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com>  Subject: Re: linking warnings...8 Message-ID: <cbvpmu8tkei39uaplfn9ig1sk3rih8prjn@4ax.com>  9 This warning means that the program section VVERRORPREFIX = has different program section attributes in object module XYZaA from those present in other modules you're linking.  If this codehF is all in C, it likely means that you're misusing some psect attribute; pragmas, or that you have conflicting data declarations fore3 VVERRORPREFIX (which is likely a common symbol datau; declaration).  You should review all of the declarations ofa/ VVERRORPREFIX and make sure they're compatible.-    : On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:03:24 +0530, "aniruddha patwardhan"% <aniruddha_patwardhan@bmc.com> wrote:R   >Hi,; >I am getting following warnings while linking a C program.2 >@? >%LINK-W-MULPSC, conflicting attributes for psect VVERRORPREFIXeD >        in module XYZ file OAK$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSUPD.PWD045]XYZ.OLB;1 > * >(name of module and name of file changed) >m@ >any suggestion why this warning and how to remove this warning? >e >TIA
 >Aniruddha >a  
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.e   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 01:23:24 -07000 From: emmanuel.choquet@hp.com (Emmanuel Choquet)' Subject: Re: Low-level format SCSI diske= Message-ID: <7aabdf42.0208280023.5cecce49@posting.google.com>r   sariet-6-# file /dev/rrz18c-C /dev/rrz18c:    character special (8/34818) SCSI #2 RZ29B disk #144z (SCSI ID #2p sariet-7-# uname -a  OSF1 sariet.net V4.0 1091 alphat sariet-8-# sizer -vD= Digital UNIX V4.0E  (Rev. 1091); Thu Jan  7 09:18:10 MET 1999t sariet-9-#  scu -f /dev/rrz18c scu> formata      @ can be very long, *do not* interrupt, otherwise your disk can be totally useless after.  A Obviously, disk must be *not mounted* and/or not have a partitione used, swap or whatever.i  D BTW another option, I nerver tried, and I have no disk at hand right now, is to use dd :e erase the partition table :  # disklabel -z /dev/rrz18c erase the disk1 # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rrz18c bs=512 (or more)a   it should do the trick  h= > "Adam Price" <adam+usenet@pappnase.co.uk> wrote in message  L > > OK That just means you are using a version of Tru64 older than V5 and so > True, I'm on 4.0F.  n > ----quote----b > Notes:C >   If you enter 'scu' using the default device '/dev/cam' and thenfD >   set the device to format using the "set nexus" command, the codeF >   associated with checking for mounted file systems will fail.  ThisE >   was done purposely to prevent accidental formatting of disks witho >   mounted file systems.e > ----quote----l >  > So I'm asking again:G > Did anybody actually USE the scu program for low-level formatting? IftF > yes, how? I'm tired of 'go RTFM' while the FM says what you _cannot_' > do but doesn't say what you _can_ do.u   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 03:27:05 -0700! From: soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro)o' Subject: Re: Low-level format SCSI disk = Message-ID: <d5440555.0208280227.491c469e@posting.google.com>,   Hello,  A OK I used RZDISK from the OpenVMS freeware CD 4.0 as on 5.0 it ist missing.  D It asked me for changing block size, it was 520 and I said 512, thenD lots of mode pages where I said no thanks, then I said yes make themC permanent. Nothing, next time when I ran RZDISK to check, the blocke% size was still 520, not 512 as I set.1  F Note: in every page, including page 4 rigid disk drive geometry, I hadC PS (parameters savable) = 0 ? does it mean Mr. IBM decided I shouldeD not save any changes? I've seen the SCSI standard saying that bit inB MODE SELECT is reserved, so zero will stay (or maybe I cannot evenD read it, and thats why it is zero). Maybe it is related only to pageA parameters, where I see no reason in changing anything related toiF cylinders as I was suggested. RZDISK doesn?t even show me page 3 (diskD format parameters) where I know there?s important stuff like sectorsC per track. Not that I would know how to compute them after I modify ? the block size :D , so as long I?m not asked I just presume the D drive/driver/controller/rzdisk/thealmighty take care of them. I readE some Fujitsu doc where they changed the block size with a MODE SELECTiB and then a straight reformat, so I hope I don?t need anything else  than _set_ the damn size to 512.  F Downside: nothing new happened, no errors though. I tried anyway afterF that RZDISK to run also RZTOOLS_ALPHA for a format, same error messageE as before (bad parameter somewhere), I gave also a shot to INITIALIZEgE which says the disk is offline (I started the disk from RZTOOLS_ALPHAo though with no error message).  
 Thank you, Sorint   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 06:11:48 -0700! From: soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro)e' Subject: Re: Low-level format SCSI diska= Message-ID: <d5440555.0208280511.7015b048@posting.google.com>o   Hello,  ? I really wanted to make it work on that machine, but I gave up.t  B So I took a PC, an Adaptec adapter, formatted them without a flaw,B that was it. Ok, Adaptec didn't ask for any parameter so 512 wouldF have been the only option anyway, but it did that where any other tool8 from VMS or Tru64 failed (I'm the first disappointed)...   Thanks to you all, Sorinh   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 06:50:23 -0700' From: SteveRay@Starband.net (Steve Ray)s Subject: Re: MATCHC InstructionH= Message-ID: <6a1dbcff.0208280550.577c240a@posting.google.com>o  D Thanks for the response. The string is indeed longer than what wouldF fit into a word. It will now have to become a subroutine call that can accomodate the size issue.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 08:58:42 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)1 Subject: Re: MATCHC Instructionk3 Message-ID: <HHDFtfU8bk2x@eisner.encompasserve.org>M  g In article <6a1dbcff.0208280550.577c240a@posting.google.com>, SteveRay@Starband.net (Steve Ray) writes:cF > Thanks for the response. The string is indeed longer than what wouldH > fit into a word. It will now have to become a subroutine call that can > accomodate the size issue.  @ This sort of issue is one of the problems caused by working withD lower level languages.  VMS has a lot of drivers written in Macro32,F but a lot of the constructs used within those drivers are rote by now.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 04:27:26 -0700" From: ccc_crg@yahoo.com (Chris G.)& Subject: Re: Old games for VAX system.= Message-ID: <5437ff2f.0208280327.38c30022@posting.google.com>l  B Heh, as an ex Waikato Uni student, I remember most of those, which? came from Waikato uni in the 80's - people like Rex Croft, Paul.C Denize, and Simon Trafaglia (of BOFH fame).  Tank, Qix, Snake.. AlleF great fun! There's even a couple of mine in there, ie Reflex (clone of& an old CPM game) and a tetris clone...  < They link to this obj file - does anyone know if it has been recompiled for AXP?o8 I wouldn't mind running them on my Alpha VMS 7.3 system.  D Rex Croft used to look after the Waikato uni games, but I believe heB has since moved on. I wonder if anyone at Waikato looks after them< now... I believe they still run on their VAX 6000 cluster...   -Chris Guthrey    Q sword7@speakeasy.org wrote in message news:<umoi2q9lavf190@corp.supernews.com>...g > Hello folks: > D > I found old games like Adventure, etc. in UBVMS archives ftp site H > and downloaded them into my Linux machine (Red Hat Linux 7.3).  On my J > TS10/VAX emulator, I successfully downloaded them from my Linux machine G > into VAX system.  That was very fast downloads - Ethernet-like speed.s > F > On OpenVMS v7.2, I successfully unpacked and compiled Adventure gameG > by using DEC FORTRAN compiler.  That was just warning about variables J > not used, etc.  I was able run Adventure (551-point system) without any  > problems.t > / > Do you remember that old games in 1980s, etc?e >  > -- Tim Stark   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:20:23 -0400J; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>x7 Subject: Re: OT Mac OS X woes, but advice needed pleasen$ Message-ID: <3d6cea6a$1@news.si.com>  G >I'm using the news reader on EISNER.  Based on old Notes it appears ton. >be called VNEWS and may be a port of ANUNEWS.  G There are several news readers on EISNER.  Perhaps another would formate better.c --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comtA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comt= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventn< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:43:02 GMTM) From: Thomas Harris <tharris@stewart.com>n Subject: re white boxend? Message-ID: <slrnamp38r.44d.$USER@dinsdale.piranhabrothers.foo>M  : I have a digital server 3305 which, through various tweeks: of NVRAM etc, I've successfully run all breeds of unix on.  8 I now am in the position of admining a slightly earlier 8 version alphaserver in VMS world,  which I'm reasonably : familiar with,  but would like to use home alphaserver for: playing in sandbox purposes,  rather than using production: machinery.  Current alpha-montagnar hobbyist kit installs = but pukes midway through boot.  Any help appreciated.  I haveg9 a 3100 vaxstation but builds would be a tad quicker on a s
 500mhz alpha.t   thanks,d Tomo    A Anyone who's interested,  I can supply full failed boot messages.@   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:19:12 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: Reverse LAT@ Message-ID: <20020828101912.98700.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>   Edward  * I think Lantronix has a product (hardware)
 to do this...u   www.lantronix.coms   Regardst   FC i    2 --- "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" <Edward.Lucas@bp.com> wrote: > Hello everyone > 6 > I need to replace my current "CA Console manager SW" >  The SW enables me (and / > my team) to access all system like being on a  > console but remotely (i.e.5 > >>>).  My plan is to replace the SW, plug (I think)- > a serial cable from thee1 > TS (DS200) to the console port on the server.  o > , > Can someone please point me in the correct > direction. I need to learn5 > everything about this and then configure. I need toD > get this working ASAP. >  > Thank you in advance.  >  > . > The over worked, under paid,  unappreciated      =====h ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil> fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?+ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quoteso http://finance.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:46:02 -0400w> From: "Michael Raspuzzi" <raspuzzi#spamblaster.emesen-dot-com> Subject: Re: Reverse LAT+ Message-ID: <#4TvJGqTCHA.2208@cpimsnntpa03>y  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D6C399F.925AC5BD@fsi.net...r > Hans Vlems wrote:  > > H > > Could you tell me what software version you're running on it (screen dump ofA% > > the SHOW SERVER would do nicely)?tL > > It would be very useful if I could persuade my DS100 to run reverse LAT. >pF > What happens when you create an LTA on VMS pointing to a port on the) > server and try to copy something to it?p >iA > It's been a long time since I had a DS100, but I did use it forrH > reverse-LAT. I just don't remember how to set a port for remote access) > in DS100's subset of the DECserver CLI.c >t  L The DECserver 100 can NOT do reverse LAT.  It is a common misconception thatL being able to put a printer on a DECserver and accessing it from the host is$ the same as reverse LAT.  It is not.  L The DECserver 100 can have a port set for remote access and a printer can beE attached to that port.  However, the DECserver 100 cannot tell if thexL printer is powered up.  So, print jobs sent to a printer that is powered offJ will be lost.  Accessing a printer from the host is typically done using a9 host initiated connection - not a reverse LAT connection.d  K A reverse LAT connection can only be made to a terminal server that has thegL ability to offer a service to the LAN.  You connect to a reverse LAT serviceL from another DECserver (using the Local> CONNECT command) or from an OpenVMSK system using SET HOST /LAT.  The DECserver 100 does not have the ability toPH advertise services to the network that can be connected to using another DECserver or SET HOST /LAT.w  L There are 2 ends to a LAT connection - the master and the slave.  The masterH initiates the connection and the slave receives the incoming connection.J When you connect to an OpenVMS system to login, the terminal server is theC master and the host is the slave.  In a reverse LAT connection, the*L DECserver acts as the slave while another DECserver is the master or OpenVMS" is the master using SET HOST /LAT.  J The DECserver 100 can only act as a master.  Since it cannot function as aK LAT slave, it does not have reverse LAT capability.  When SET HOST /LAT was E introduced to OpenVMS, the project was called "LAT/Master" because weiJ essentially implemented the master portion of the LAT protocol in addition to the slave part on OpenVMS.   H In case you are wondering about printer connections, the terminal serverH still acts as a master in that case.  While it appears the connection isF initiated by the host, it is not mastered by the host.  Host initiatedJ connections have the host computer send a special message to the DECserverH requesting that the DECserver start a master connection to the host on aL specific port so the host can send data to that port.  The basic flow of the messages is like this:  E - Host sends out a Solicit message to the network to get the terminalt server's attention.mJ - DECserver responds with information about the desired resource requested in the solicit messageH - Host sends a Command message to the DECserver requesting it initiate a master connection to the host K - DECserver starts LAT connection between itself and the host (DECserver isD the master, host is the slave)  I In short, it is easy to confuse host initiated connections (ala printers)tK and reverse LAT connections (like connecting to a DECserver port that has ahG modem or computer console).  In the strictest sense of their meaning, ahI DECserver 100 and some DECserver 90 models cannot offer a LAT service and & therefore, do not support reverse LAT.  D About 10 years ago, I developed a course for DECUS that involved theI details/mechanics of the LAT protocol and I touched on this difference in  depth.   Hope this helps,+ Mike Raspuzzi (raspuzzi on M S N dot C O M)j former OpenVMS LAT developer   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:12:50 -0400g; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>i Subject: Re: Reverse LAT$ Message-ID: <3d6cf6b5$1@news.si.com>  J >Could you tell me what software version you're running on it (screen dump of" >the SHOW SERVER would do nicely)?   OK.  Here you are:   Local> sho server   G DECserver 100 V2.0 BL23B    LAT V5.1   ROM BL8A    Uptime: 111 11:45:178  G Address:   08-00-2B-05-54-6A   Name:   DSV055             Number:     0g   Identification:  Engineering  C Circuit Timer:            80           Password Limit:            3.C Console Port:              1           Queue Limit:              24 C Inactivity Timer:         30           Retransmit Limit:          8 C Keepalive Timer:          20           Session Limit:            24 C Node Limit:               50           Software:          PS0801ENGe     Enabled Characteristics:  # Broadcast,  Dump,  Heartbeat,  Locki  I >It would be very useful if I could persuade my DS100 to run reverse LAT.e  A Just SET PORT xx ACCESS REMOTE on the server (just like any other I DECserver).  Then in LATCP, use CREATE PORT and SET PORT, just as for anyt other DECserver. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comyA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent0< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:43:32 GMTg' From: Ford Prefect <spam@microsoft.com> @ Subject: Re: Seeking bootable VMS image for simulator on FreeBSD, Message-ID: <3D6B9E21.7020203@microsoft.com>  & --------------0104030907060904050505019 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowedv Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bito   Zane H. Healy wrote:  ) >Ford Prefect <spam@microsoft.com> wrote:) >  u >oE >>Ok, ok. So, how *does* one get a hobbyist licence? One would dearlyyF >>love to "do it oneself" but one hopes that the spirit of cameraderie@ >>out there in VMSLand might induce someone to give out a URL if( >>possible, or something of the kind.... >>     >> >wD >You should find pointers to everything that you need at my website:, >http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/decemu.html >lF >As others have pointed out the first thing you'll have to do get yourP >Encompass (DECUS) membership so that you can get the Hobbyist License PAKs and L >order the Hobbyist CD.  Until you've done this, there is no reason to worry4 >about anything else, as you can't do anything else. >e >			Zane >v >    >0% And also Paul Sture wrote a fix too :u     Thankee very much gentlemen!   :)    & --------------010403090706090405050501) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">e <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">2   <title></title>  </head>  <body> Zane H. Healy wrote:<br>A <blockquote type="cite" cite="midak6lcr02tsf@enews3.newsguy.com">i   <pre wrap="">Ford Prefect <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:spam@microsoft.com">&lt;spam@microsoft.com&gt;</a> wrote:n   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">T     <pre wrap="">Ok, ok. So, how *does* one get a hobbyist licence? One would dearlyD love to "do it oneself" but one hopes that the spirit of cameraderie> out there in VMSLand might induce someone to give out a URL if& possible, or something of the kind....
     </pre>   </blockquote>l   <pre wrap=""><!---->C You should find pointers to everything that you need at my website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/decemu.html">http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/decemu.html</a>t  E As others have pointed out the first thing you'll have to do get your@O Encompass (DECUS) membership so that you can get the Hobbyist License PAKs and _K order the Hobbyist CD.  Until you've done this, there is no reason to worryt3 about anything else, as you can't do anything else.-   			Zane      </pre>
 </blockquote>0) And also Paul Sture wrote a fix too :<br>a <br> <br>  Thankee very much gentlemen!<br> <br> :)<br> <br> </body>A </html>m  ( --------------010403090706090405050501--   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:56:29 +0100VU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>c8 Subject: Re: Server Market Is Down in the Second Quarter0 Message-ID: <aki39r$k81$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > John Smith wrote:s > H >>IBM led the pack with 29.6 percent of the market revenue, up from 27.9N >>percent, followed by HP with 24.7 percent, down from 27.4, and Sun with 18.4  >>percent, up from 16.6 percent. >> > O > Where was HP prior to its purchase of Compaq ? In other words, once Compaq isvD > fully digested, how low could HP return to (worse case scenario) ? >     H This is the whole Server market, UNIX, MPE, AS400, Linux, WindowsNT/2000 OpenVMS, S390 NSK etc.    6 Prior to the merger HP was third behind IBM and Sun in this market.        Q > It would be quite a blow to Carly's ego if HP were to gradually fall below Sun.c >     0 HP is already below Sun in the non Wintel Server market.a  / In the worse case scenario (actually best case)i. HP would fall back to third behind IBM and Sun- for the whole market including Wintel Servers . and behind Dell in the Wintel Server market by itself.m   Regardsr Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 07:28:12 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this weekS3 Message-ID: <j7$oma0vmUDF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3D6BD128.D5B36952@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > re: Unix vsersus VMS debate. > L > Would it be fair to state that while Unix may be more vserstile and packedJ > with more ticks, VMS is more robust, better quality, better documented ?  C    No, because most of us would have a major disagreement with thate
    statement.e  P > Where VMS has strengths that surpass Unix is not so much in the user interfaceE > and commands, but rather in the underlying structural stuff such asE0 > clustering, safe caching of disk data etc ect.  D    If UNIX has a good user interface, we're all hopeless.  I have to    disagree here, too.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 07:37:18 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this weekd3 Message-ID: <0igj0Q8ef17p@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <89cc5656.0208271704.63f68e78@posting.google.com>, jlewocz@poczta.wprost.pl (John Lewocz) writes: >  > if [ -d $EMPTY_DIR ]; then >     echo "EMPTY_DIR exists"  > fi > E > You'll notice that EMPTY_DIR is an environment variable whose exacte- > content I don't need to know ahead of time.s > 1 > In DCL you get an "" if it exists but is empty.f3 > In DCL you get an "" if it does NOT exist at all.b > F > In unix I don't have to transform something like [foo.bar.baz] into 0 > [foo.bar]baz.dir just to make the distinction. > 	 > Got it?E >   D    No.  Your still choosing to overlook the fact that you also stillG    have more work to do in UNIX.  test "-d $EMPTY_DIR" did not tell yous%    if the directory is in fact empty.o  J    Your also choosing to overlook that you could over time (and different L    versions of VMS) run C shell, Bourne shell, POSIX shell (subset of ksh), M    or soon the COE subset of bash on VMS and your argument would cleary fall oF    flat.  Lots of folks are running Tcl such on VMS right now, care to    complain?  H    In DCL you can do the work based on a variable called EMPTY_DIR, too,"    so you haven't bought anything.  H    This is just a place where DCL and Bourne shell (and descendants) areG    different.  We can always find some difference that makes one or the $    other look a little bit better.     ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 06:07:44 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week5= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0208280507.527c98e7@posting.google.com>w  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D6C3DFB.64462657@fsi.net>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > >  > > "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> wrote in message news:<2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D506B80F@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>...O > > > Stupid question - if you dont know the path ahead of time, then how would N > > > you EVER check for a dir existence or wether or not it's empty?  I'm not > > > seeing your point. > > I > > I think what he means is: How would you write code that would convert < > > an argument containing an arbitrary dir-spec of the form, > > [bozo.the.clown] to the appropriate form$ > > f$search("[bozo.the]clown.dir")? > > ? > > Well, you could, but that's the hard way, and very much note8 > > recommended. What you need here is F$PARSE! Example: > > . > >     $ EXISTS = F$PARSE("[BOZO.THE.CLOWN]") >  > Careful there! > B > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say """", f$parse( "[bozo.the.clown]" ), """" > ""> > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say """", f$parse( "[.exe.alpha]" ), """"  > "DKA0:[DDACHTERA.EXE.ALPHA].;"A > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ if f$parse( "[.exe.alpha]" ) then say "Yes!"s > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ e > C > You'll have to test for whether or not F$PARSE() returns an emptyE	 > string:d    ' Oops, you're right. I should have typedI  D $ IF (P1.EQS."") THEN READ SYS$COMMAND/PROMPT="Enter directory: " P1 $ EXISTS = F$PARSE(P1).NES."" 
 $ IF (EXISTS)- $ THEN# $     WRITE SYS$OUTPUT P1," exists": $ ELSE# $     WRITE SYS$OUTPUT P1," d.n.e."t $ ENDIFu $ EXIT     No more late evening posts!    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman60 afeldmanNONOspam gfigroupNONOspam comNONOskispam   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 09:01:15 -0600- From: frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) + Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this weeki3 Message-ID: <0FjnliWDp+QZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  c In article <K0z5c2lrWDhi@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:0e > In article <+I7ZYCEnda4Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) writes:nK >> 	You guys will find this amusing.  I'm dating a guy who programs on the oR >> Windoze platform.  (I know, but he's a sweet guy anyway.)  We talk shop alot.  P >> The other day he floored me by implying that my VMS systems couldn't run 100 R >> users.  The last time he used VMS was back in college on some old slow machine. >> oJ >> 	I can't wait to tie his butt up, plop him down in front of a terminal ) >> and teach him what a REAL computer is.t >> o) >> 	...  can't run 100 users... sheesh.  l >  > 7 >    So how many users can his Windows desktop support?t >   I 	Got him there...  It's a web-based client-server truck dispatching app. aJ I believe he told me once that the client side only handles one user at a E time.  The server handles more, of course, but I'm not sure how many.EA 	In many, many ways my app is superior to his, although somewhat eO similar.  Mine is 911 emergency dispatching.  I'm too new to know very many of rK our clients, but I do know some that have up to 20 dispatchers, 400 mobile  O terminals in the copcars, firetrucks, and ambulances, as well as a few hundred eI administrative terminals, all running simultaneously.  We also have sexy hF interfaces like AVL (automatic vehicle locator aka GPS), geographical L mapping, alphanumeric paging, as well as interfaces to competitors products!C 	Try THAT on one NT or Win2K server...  heh.  (To try to abate the TD VMS/Unix war somewhat, I do know that Unix can handle this as well.)   Sharon   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 07:08:52 -0700" From: ewilts@ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this weeke= Message-ID: <995e39b6.0208280608.59c1fec8@posting.google.com>r   "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> wrote in message news:<2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D506B80F@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>...E > Oh, and speaking of "college days", I swear DCL was written by somee > undergradfE > on spring break  -- in the 1940's.   Why is there no builtin way tot
 > distinguish M > between an empty directory and one that doesn't exist?   Oh sure, I've seen- > the-J > postings that say "if you want to check if [bozo.the.clown] exists, do aL > f$search([bozo.the]clown.dir).   But what if you don't know the path ahead > of > time?g  ? GAWD!  I swear I've asked (begged!) for DCL for other platforms F hundreds of times.  Why is there no consistent command line parsing onF other platforms like there is for DCL?  Why should ever application doF its own parsing to see if the user passed the right number and type ofF qualifiers and parameters?  The developers of DCL should be treated as gods.e  , To check if [.foo] exists, do the following:  ' $ write sys$output f$parse("[.foo]a.b") A This returns a null string if the directory doesn't exist.  If its5 exists, it returns the directory and filespec.  e.g.:s$ Hector> say f$parse("[.foo]hsj.com")  $ Hector> say f$parse("[.com]hsj.com") USER1:[EWILTS.COM]HSJ.COM;  	    .../Eda   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:16:04 -0400i5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>a+ Subject: RE: silliest thing heard this weekhO Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D506B82B@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>t  C not to be picky, but please check your quotes - I didnt write that.j     -----Original Message-----3 From: ewilts@ewilts.org [mailto:ewilts@ewilts.org] d Sent: August 28, 2002 10:09 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this weeko    @ "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> wrote in messageK news:<2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D506B80F@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>...tF > Oh, and speaking of "college days", I swear DCL was written by some  > undergradrE > on spring break  -- in the 1940's.   Why is there no builtin way tos
 > distinguish H > between an empty directory and one that doesn't exist?   Oh sure, I've seen > theiJ > postings that say "if you want to check if [bozo.the.clown] exists, do aL > f$search([bozo.the]clown.dir).   But what if you don't know the path ahead > of > time?0  K GAWD!  I swear I've asked (begged!) for DCL for other platforms hundreds ofkJ times.  Why is there no consistent command line parsing on other platformsI like there is for DCL?  Why should ever application do its own parsing tooB see if the user passed the right number and type of qualifiers and= parameters?  The developers of DCL should be treated as gods.   , To check if [.foo] exists, do the following:  ' $ write sys$output f$parse("[.foo]a.b") L This returns a null string if the directory doesn't exist.  If it exists, it* returns the directory and filespec.  e.g.:$ Hector> say f$parse("[.foo]hsj.com")  $ Hector> say f$parse("[.com]hsj.com") USER1:[EWILTS.COM]HSJ.COM;  	    .../Edw    I The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged andcJ confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s)L named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agentF responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, anyK review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication isyJ strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theH original message. Please note that for certain accounts we do not acceptK orders and/or instructions by e-mail, and for those accounts we will not beaL responsible for carrying out such orders and/or instructions. Kindly refrainL from sending orders or instructions by e-mail unless you have confirmed thatH we accept such communications for your account. Please also note that toJ satisfy regulatory requirements we review the outgoing and incoming e-mail: correspondence of staff members serving certain functions.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:04:00 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGe+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this weekn0 Message-ID: <00A13202.B18B383C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <89cc5656.0208271704.63f68e78@posting.google.com>, jlewocz@poczta.wprost.pl (John Lewocz) writes:V >system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A1315C.FE064D03@SendSpamHere.ORG>...o >> In article <89cc5656.0208270727.7bd7936b@posting.google.com>, jlewocz@poczta.wprost.pl (John Lewocz) writes:e >> >Q >> >Oh, and speaking of "college days", I swear DCL was written by some undergradtS >> >on spring break  -- in the 1940's.   Why is there no builtin way to distinguish S >> >between an empty directory and one that doesn't exist?   Oh sure, I've seen the L >> >postings that say "if you want to check if [bozo.the.clown] exists, do aQ >> >f$search([bozo.the]clown.dir).   But what if you don't know the path ahead ofo	 >> >time?e >> mL >> ... and in unix you can determine if a directory is empty or if it exists& >> without knowing the path?  C'mon... >c >if [ -d $EMPTY_DIR ]; thene >    echo "EMPTY_DIR exists" >fiR >ND >You'll notice that EMPTY_DIR is an environment variable whose exact, >content I don't need to know ahead of time. >u0 >In DCL you get an "" if it exists but is empty.2 >In DCL you get an "" if it does NOT exist at all.  K In DCL you get an "" if what?  Please stop the complaining and show us whati& you've concocted as DCL to prove this?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            .5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:09:23 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGs+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this weeke0 Message-ID: <00A13203.72A29627@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <4ba4ZwnGS6ez@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:Pm >In article <89cc5656.0208271704.63f68e78@posting.google.com>, jlewocz@poczta.wprost.pl (John Lewocz) writes:iX >> system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A1315C.FE064D03@SendSpamHere.ORG>... >-M >>> ... and in unix you can determine if a directory is empty or if it existso' >>> without knowing the path?  C'mon...  >>   >> if [ -d $EMPTY_DIR ]; then  >>     echo "EMPTY_DIR exists" >> fim >> gF >> You'll notice that EMPTY_DIR is an environment variable whose exact. >> content I don't need to know ahead of time. >> o2 >> In DCL you get an "" if it exists but is empty.4 >> In DCL you get an "" if it does NOT exist at all. >sE >No, perhaps _you_ do, but _I_ don't.  The f$parse() lexical function E >will accept the specification of any file that is or might be in thew0 >target directory (including the null filespec).  J Perhaps this troll doesn't consider lexical functions to be a part of DCL?      A >And VMS has logical names and DCL symbols with the capability of4B >the "environment variables" you think are so clever.  Perhaps youC >were confused because those two mechanisms in VMS have a differenta, >name than the name used in Unix (or Linux). >uG >> In unix I don't have to transform something like [foo.bar.baz] into t1 >> [foo.bar]baz.dir just to make the distinction.b >kE >Nor did my example in VMS.  I don't know how to program whichever ofaE >the various Unix command language environments you are using, but atc >least:m >l >	1. I know what I do not know.e >   >	2. I read the posts of others. > 
 >> Got it? >" >	Yes.  And you ?o   :)   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            c5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:01:32 -0400/; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>s+ Subject: Re: silliest thing heard this week $ Message-ID: <3d6d0220$1@news.si.com>  . >There's plenty of VMS boys like this as well.
 ...snip...L >For us unix boys, this entails using perl, python, and kickass editors like VIM.  H In some ways, you're justified, since all of those tools exist on VMS as6 well.  It seems that your VMS boys are a tad clueless. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com,A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.como= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventh< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 00:20:11 -0700% From: robert6400@hotmail.com (Robert)c Subject: Re: Simple clustero= Message-ID: <aef6ed97.0208272320.69adce06@posting.google.com>e  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D6C30BA.D984A035@fsi.net>... > Ed Wilts wrote:e > >  > > "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> wrote in message news:<OF81D5D9BD.634A99EC-ON07256C1B.0061F8C2@rsc.raytheon.com>... > > > Cluster experts: > > >.O > > > All this talk about updating a system shadow volume got me thinking.  I'mdL > > > trying to imagine the simplest (and cheapest) redundant Alpha cluster. > > > Will this work?s > > > Q > > > Two Alphas on Ethernet and each has a disk.  The two disks make up a system.I > > > shadow volume.  Each Alpha has a vote.  Is a quorum disk necessary?  > > G > > As others have responded, this won't work.  With 2 systems having 1bG > > vote each, quorum is 2 ((n+1)/2).  If one system crashes, the otherk > > hangs. e >  > 2+1=3c+ > 3/2=1 (integer math, remainder truncated)a >   > Therefore, quorum = 1, right?    QUORUM = (EXPECTED_VOTES + 2)/2v  K (2+2)/2 = 2 so the quorum is 2. If it were one the cluster could partition.r   > > > > You'd be better off giving one system 2 votes and having a6 > > 50/50 chance that you'd be up if a system crashes. >  > What did I miss?   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 09:01:54 -0400# From: Chris Morgan <cm@mihalis.net>B6 Subject: Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance/ Message-ID: <87d6s3qgql.fsf@tweety.mihalis.net>   * bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  T > mustang@ucc.asn.au.invalid wrote in message news:<akd35c$84f$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au>...- > > Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote: M > > : for those who want 99.9 non-clustered, or a cluster that is years aheadt? > > : of everything else, please read, hint: it is not unix ...  > >  mO > > : http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/unix/illuminata_dt_unix_research_note.pdfc > > P > > You're a joke in comp.os.vms Bob & now you're trolling in comp.unix.solaris? > > : > > Did Andrew Harrison call your mother fat or something? > > Get a life.A > >  > > D. > = > sorry, OpenVMS is no joke, just ask the two firms that wereR# > running it 9/11 and stayed up ...e  F I've seen these claims before and I find them somewhat distasteful. ItA is true that some companies continued in business due to clusters(= keeping going with some members being destroyed, this is goodcD technology, no doubt, however on that day it was found to many firmsF horror that the geographically and electrically separate ODC sites in,C fort example, Brooklyn were still often incommunicado because there ? were single points of failure in the telecoms infrastructure in G southern manhattan that failed, cutting off circuits and servers in thebE wall street area and their offsite backups. No operating system couldrB have helped there. I think it's really, really bogus to talk about which OS won the day.  -- "H Chris Morgan <cm at mihalis.net>                  http://www.mihalis.net        Temp sig. - Enquire within   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:44:22 GMTl1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)o6 Subject: Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance= Message-ID: <Ws4b9.364974$q53.11990354@twister.austin.rr.com>h   Cypherpunk@nyc.rr.com wrote:  K : OpenVMS, as the article indicated, was just one of many types of systems.  : L : The article also points out eSpeed was completely moved into Rochelle ParkI : by Feb 2001, and that having DS 3's was the enabler of everything else.d : ? : If "Rochelle Park systems are primary as well as backup" then < : they were not an example of "Disaster Tolerance" for 9/11. :   ?    http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/commerzbank/sA    hp Alphaserver technology helps Commerzbank tolerate disaster 7    on September 11     "testing disaster tolerancee  I    While most large organizations today have plans for Disaster ToleranceA=    (DT), few have to put them to the test. The North American_D    headquarters of Commerzbank, located less than 100 yards from theF    World Trade Center in New York City, put its DT plan into action onF    September 11, 2001. Because Commerzbank relies on OpenVMS wide-areaF    clustering, volume shadowing and AlphaServer GS160 systems from HP,E    the bank was able to function on September 11 because its criticaloE    banking applications continued to run at the primary site and werec)    available from the bank's remote site.p  	    [snip]m  E    That imperative creates a challenge for the bank. Gene Batan, ViceaD    President of the Systems and Information Technology Department ofB    Commerzbank, North America, explains, "My primary concern is toH    minimize downtime to the point of zero -- and ascertain that there isD    a redundancy of data in several locations. We need to ensure thatI    there is no downtime on any critical production system at any point in:	    time."i  D    Zero downtime is why the bank has run its critical systems on theI    OpenVMS operating system since the 1980s. According to Batan, "OpenVMSt@    is the most secure and reliable operating system we have ever    experienced."  	    [snip]O  G    Batan says, "Because of OpenVMS wide-area clustering, the storage at C    our remote site is always available and updated in real time..."$    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:30:04 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r6 Subject: Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance, Message-ID: <3D6CEC7C.5D14363E@videotron.ca>   re: World Trade Center  K One must not forget that a significant amount of telecom infrastructure waspM also destroyed, both in the WTC as well as in/under WTC-7. Having the CPU andeM disks continue to work at a different site is one thing, but that is the easyiK part of disaster recovery.  Getting your telecom infrastructure back up and.J most importantly, getting your employees a terminal/pc and some kind of anL office is just as important if not more. And lets not forget phone lines and paper mail rerouting.d  N In many cases, having one employee accredited by the fire department so he canF re-enter your former office building to recover some valuables is alsoL important. This is especially true of all the companies whose buildings wereI not completely destroyed but were still severely damaged (world financialm centre comes to mind).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:51:22 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e6 Subject: Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance, Message-ID: <3D6CF179.DDA9174D@videotron.ca>   Chris Morgan wrote:oA > were single points of failure in the telecoms infrastructure in I > southern manhattan that failed, cutting off circuits and servers in thedG > wall street area and their offsite backups. No operating system couldaD > have helped there. I think it's really, really bogus to talk about > which OS won the day.o  J However, consider that while the wall street casinos were closed for a fewN days, other stock exchanges around the world continued to function.  A companyH whose main infrastructure and databases continued to be available due toN proper planning was able to continue to service its customers when they needed! trades done outside of new york.    L A company whose systems were not back up the next day would have had to relyN on the understanding, mercy and pity of its customers due to the sheer size ofF the calamity, but in the end, they wouldn't look that great when other8 companies were announcing "business as usual as can be".  L One of the companies that was hardest hit, Cantor Fitzgerald made a point ofM stating that even with the loss of so many of its employees, it would be able K to continue and that its other offices would continue. Reassuring customersy8 that their money/account is safe is extremely important.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:52:22 -0400a; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>o6 Subject: RE: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster ToleranceK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEA45@rlghncst964.usps.gov>e    o  Cypherpunk@nyc.rr.com wrote:n  t> >If "Rochelle Park systems are primary as well as backup" then; >they were not an example of "Disaster Tolerance" for 9/11.b  H It appears that Mr.Freund of Illuminata disagrees with you in the paper  referenced in this thread.  	 Strongly.e  C Your definition makes sense in an environment that doesn't *really*h- cluster, but for VMS it's just plain silly.  '   from zee paper:x  2 "But first, we must precisely define what Disaster Tolerance is-and what it isn't.m   Degrees of Survivals  1 There are many terms used to describe the concept.6 of keeping a business operating despite the occurrence+ of a catastrophic event. The ones used mosti' often, and sometimes misleadingly, are:j   Business Continuity, e@ the broad term that encompasses all of the plans, resources, and@ actions used to ensure the continued operation of a business in > the event of a site-wide outage, whether planned or unplanned.   Disaster Recovery, tD the ability, plan, or techniques used to return IT to an acceptable B level of operation after a site-wide outage. This may include the D use of servers, software, storage, networking, and staff duplicated C at a remote site. Though also a broad term, Disaster Recovery is a mF subset of Business Continuity. Disaster Tolerance is a subset of both.   Disaster Tolerance,rJ a specialized form of High Availability and Disaster Recovery. The abilityI of an organization's IT facilities to rapidly continue after a site-wide  K outage by automatically transferring IT operations to duplicated resources tH at a remote site. A Disaster Tolerant system must be able to detect the C failure of a primary system, notify the humans in charge, and (whene authorized)oF proceed with a failover to redundant systems and sites without further manual intervention.    G DT systems should be able to make that change on their own, though manyi	 companiesiE prefer to have a human make the final decision to declare a site-widea outage.e    . .  F Before comparing the available Unix DT options, let's examine a highly successful oK non-Unix model: the Disaster Tolerant OpenVMS Cluster. Still considered theiF "gold standard" in commercial clustering, it's not unusual for OpenVMS Cluster uptimes  to be measured in years.  B Using a built-in distributed lock manager and cluster file system,D OpenVMS provides a "shared everything" cluster system. Applications F running on as many as 96 cooperating servers can write simultaneously B to the same files on shared disk volumes. Disk volumes are either E directly attached to all nodes or, alternatively, "served" by one or  E more systems to the rest of the cluster. Should one or more of these nB servers go down, the data remains safe and sound; the applicationsA can keep on running, or be launched onto, the remaining servers."t   WWWebb   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:55:06 GMTs From: Cypherpunk@nyc.rr.comr6 Subject: Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance7 Message-ID: <un6b9.25372$1r.8990013@twister.nyc.rr.com>p  G In comp.unix.solaris Jerry Leslie <LESLIE@jrlvax.houston.rr.com> wrote:r  >   Cypherpunk@nyc.rr.com wrote: >   O >   : OpenVMS, as the article indicated, was just one of many types of systems.t >   : P >   : The article also points out eSpeed was completely moved into Rochelle ParkM >   : by Feb 2001, and that having DS 3's was the enabler of everything else.- >   : C >   : If "Rochelle Park systems are primary as well as backup" thent@ >   : they were not an example of "Disaster Tolerance" for 9/11. >   :  >   C >      http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/commerzbank/0E >      hp Alphaserver technology helps Commerzbank tolerate disaster w >      on September 11 >   ! >     "testing disaster toleranceF [snipping the following...] B >      The North American headquarters of Commerzbank, ...was able? >      to function on September 11 because its critical bankingp >      applicationsy > : >            continued to run at the primary site and were3 >            available from the bank's remote site.t  ) How was that a 'disaster tolerance' test?y   -- e Missing VA girl Jennifer Short!'3 Picture of and info on Gary "Amber Alert!" Burnore:h8     http://home.nyc.rr.com/cypherpunk/childmolester.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:25:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 6 Subject: Re: The "Gold" Standard in Disaster Tolerance, Message-ID: <3D6D0772.73820519@videotron.ca>  $ "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" wrote: > from zee paper:iI > at a remote site. A Disaster Tolerant system must be able to detect thenE > failure of a primary system, notify the humans in charge, and (wheni
 > authorized)CH > proceed with a failover to redundant systems and sites without further > manual intervention.    % Funny, I would have written this as :d  I basic disaster tolerant systems will interrupt processing and await human0J confirmation before proceeding with a failover. More sophisticated systemsJ will perform the failover automatically because the various subsystems areK better integrated and the decision on where to failover can be made safely.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:26:44 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>s) Subject: TLZ09 hardware/software problem?l* Message-ID: <aki1g4$6ml$1@news.tudelft.nl>   Hi all,8  / Can anyone get me some advise on the following:J  H I have a TLZ09 tape-drive internal in a DPWS600a running VMS 7.3. I see  the following problem:,    -writing/reading a small saveset works OKH    -when writing large savesets which needs more than one tape it looks E        	like that the first tape contains the expected amount of dataP3 	but all the follow-up tapes contain too less data.M< 	Finally one gets a label mismatch (in the middle of a tape)G    -when writing writing several savesets after each other on the tapessC 	one gets in 95% of all cases a position mismatch on the second 		 .    etc. saveset.  H What i would like to know if this is likely to be a software problem or  a hardware problem. H   The reason I like to know is that we have a software service contract 4 but not a hardware-service contract on this machine.                          Jouk?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:05:19 GMT4* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>0 Subject: Re: Various tidbits about HP financialsB Message-ID: <PC_a9.134639$Aw4.5638987@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D6C5103.A0150E57@videotron.ca...   ....  K > Also interesting is the mention of 10,000 layoffs when in the past 15,000d waskK > the announced number. Does anyone have some explanation ? Has HP realisede thatL > it wouldn't be able to rationalise its workforce as much as it had hoped ?  I 10,000 is just the number they plan to have completed by October, not the K total.  While I've seen no official indication that the total number may gooL higher than 15,000, I've seen what appears to be reasonable speculation thatL it will:  that does appear to be what Carly does each time her rosy promises don't pan out.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:59:51 +0100eU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>l0 Subject: Re: Various tidbits about HP financials0 Message-ID: <aki3g5$k81$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:'  O > Seems to me that based on those financials that HP,s revenus dropped far moreMO > than had been anticipated. If I remember well, HP was predicting a 9% drop in_C > enterprise systems. I think it was a 31% drop that was announced.t > P > Yes, the economy isn't doing well and IT spending is low (confirmed by Intel'sK > CEO as well). But I get the feeling that "the new HP" isn't going to be aoL > combination of HP, Compaq, Digital and Tandem as was anticipated. Just howP > much will HP grow from its acquisition of Compaq Digital and Tandem is the bigP > question. I suspect that HP has simply acquired the leftovers from Digital and? > Tande, with not much from Compaq contributing to HP's growth.: > O > (Compaq's wintel may replace HP's wintel, but in the end, the new HP's wintell& > may not be much bigger than before). > O > Also interesting is the mention of 10,000 layoffs when in the past 15,000 was P > the announced number. Does anyone have some explanation ? Has HP realised thatL > it wouldn't be able to rationalise its workforce as much as it had hoped ? >     . I guess it also pretty much destroys the whole/ basis of Freddy boys argument, shame but reallym rather predictable.    Regardsl Andrew Harrisonh   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:08:10 GMTd5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>e0 Subject: Re: Various tidbits about HP financials2 Message-ID: <_r7b9.26$%r7.409748@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message ... >  >,/ >I guess it also pretty much destroys the whole20 >basis of Freddy boys argument, shame but really >rather predictable. >   I Are you having comprehension problems?  Noplace have I claimed that HP is5G exempt from the general industry slump.  If you exclude one-time merger K related charges, we actually would have had a net of 14 cents a share.  Ouri/ results were in line with analyst expectations.d  E Of course, Sun stock took a hit as one large broker is revising Sun'sl revenue forcast downward..   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:44:02 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 0 Subject: Re: Various tidbits about HP financials, Message-ID: <3D6D0BD9.2292A72A@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:K > Are you having comprehension problems?  Noplace have I claimed that HP is I > exempt from the general industry slump.  If you exclude one-time merger M > related charges, we actually would have had a net of 14 cents a share.  Ouro1 > results were in line with analyst expectations.h  N 1- Analyst expectation is bull. Analysts just read the "guidance" from Carly'sJ previous speeches/reports and use that as expectation. Few analysts really8 bother understanding what a company really does anymore.  D "meeting expectations" is the worse sentence and the whole guidance,M expectation thing should be made illegal. Analysts should be made to researcheN company products, fundamentals, and come up with their own opinions instead of- rehashing propaganda made by the company CEO.C  I Secondly, the "if you exclude merger costs" item is moot. Carly and CurlyrN chose to merge. There are high costs associated with that.  BOB GQ Palmer "oneM time re-org" costs turned out to be recurring items because the reorgs becameaG a game of musical chairs that was played every time there was a quarter.L without good numbers. That *may* happen with HP as well if the numbers don't pan out.  N Carly can use creative accounting to make one quarter look on target.  This isJ why Carly's statement that they are on target is not yet credible. Perhaps$ next quarter will be more revealing.    M From an HP investor point of view, remember that their stock was diluted wheneL Compaq shareholders became HP shareholders.  This affected the book value ofJ HP shares since HP paid more for Compaq than what Compaq was worth. And ifM Carly simply writes down duplicate assets, it means that the total book value  of HP will go down.   J Remember that HP bought Compaq with the primary purpose of eliminating oneL wintel competitor. This means that you pay to buy Compaq and just write downI that investment in the hopes that your own wintel business will gain from.N having one less competitor.  (sure, HP was smart and kept some Compaq productsB and ditched its own in some cases but the end result is the same).  J 1 + 1 will clearly not = 2 in this case. I would say perhaps 1.25.  HP hasI gained VMS and Tandem. Whether VMS continues to be profitable during thisrN transition period (until IA64 is a commercial reality with all VMS apps portedH and most customers switched to IA64) is another question.  Whether Tru642 customers remain with HP is also another question.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:18:10 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>o0 Subject: Re: Various tidbits about HP financials/ Message-ID: <akj0mh$7i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>k   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  8 > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message ... >  >>0 >>I guess it also pretty much destroys the whole1 >>basis of Freddy boys argument, shame but reallyt >>rather predictable.y >> >> > K > Are you having comprehension problems?  Noplace have I claimed that HP ishI > exempt from the general industry slump.  If you exclude one-time mergertM > related charges, we actually would have had a net of 14 cents a share.  Our 1 > results were in line with analyst expectations.n >     2 Well Freddy as a number of people have pointed out6 its quite convenient to have the merger as a catch all2 for re-structuring that would in any case have had/ to be done because of the collapse in revenues.y  3 Sun has also had to re-structure because of fallinge1 demand, we don't have the convenience of a mergerd# to cover our restructuring charges.e  1 You yourself commented on our charges but seem tol3 want to present yours in a totally different light.-  2 It would as always seem that the only one with the" comprehension problem is yourself.   Regards@ Andrew Harrisonu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:28:15 +0100.- From: "Neal Hatchman" <johnny5_2@hotmail.com>r% Subject: VMS 7.1-2 Process Monitoringa3 Message-ID: <1030548616.881953@ernani.logica.co.uk>y  	 Hi Folks,h  H Anyone know of a VMS facility/utility that will provide me with detailed4 quantifiable information about individual processes?  J Am performing an efficiency/robustness study for a complex mulit-processedK system, and need to find the processes being most heavily swamped with datan / I/O /CPU time.   Thanks in advancer   Neal   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:59:43 -0700 (PDT)n. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>) Subject: Re: VMS 7.1-2 Process Monitoringg@ Message-ID: <20020828155943.62927.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>  * You should begin with the ACCOUNT command.     DETACHED Process Termination ----------------------------6 Username:          SYSTEM            UIC:             	  [SYSTEM]-6 Account:           SYSTEM            Finish time:        1-JUL-2002 13:24:51.936 Process ID:        0000002A          Start time:         1-JUL-2002 13:24:51.376 Owner ID:                            Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.556 Terminal name:                       Processor time:              0 00:00:00.066 Remote node addr:                    Priority:          4. Remote node name:                    Privilege <31-00>: FFFFFFFFr. Remote ID:                           Privilege <63-32>: FFFFFFFFt Remote full name:,1 Queue entry:                         Final statusl code: 00048548 Queue name:t	 Job name:e& Final status text: %JBC-W-NOTIMZONRUL,/ SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical not defined, Daylighta Savings Time  6 Page faults:              252        Direct IO:                 94 6 Page fault reads:          84        Buffered IO:               92 6 Peak working set:        2000        Volumes mounted:            0t6 Peak page file:        170608        Images executed:            4t     Press RETURN for Next Record >6                                                       6                                                                                 Regardsd   FC ,0 --- Neal Hatchman <johnny5_2@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Folks,l > 1 > Anyone know of a VMS facility/utility that willc > provide me with detailed6 > quantifiable information about individual processes? > 4 > Am performing an efficiency/robustness study for a > complex mulit-processeda3 > system, and need to find the processes being mostl > heavily swamped with datam > / I/O /CPU time. >  > Thanks in advancea >  > Neal >  >      =====g ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilo fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?+ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotesl http://finance.yahoo.com   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2002 11:11:45 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t) Subject: Re: VMS 7.1-2 Process Monitoringp3 Message-ID: <mj0hry1REptU@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  c In article <1030548616.881953@ernani.logica.co.uk>, "Neal Hatchman" <johnny5_2@hotmail.com> writes:r > Hi Folks,u > J > Anyone know of a VMS facility/utility that will provide me with detailed6 > quantifiable information about individual processes? > L > Am performing an efficiency/robustness study for a complex mulit-processedM > system, and need to find the processes being most heavily swamped with datai > / I/O /CPU time.  H The obvious answer is the MONITOR command, and since you did not specifyI particular deficiencies with MONITOR I presume you had not considered it.T  G If you need more than MONITOR there are various add-on products that don further analysis.s  H But be careful in your analysis.  I can write a highly efficient programI and run it at very low priority with an enormous workload.  When it showsCH up using most of the IO/CPU capacity, that just means that it is not yetH done with its enormous workload and no high priority process needs those
 resources.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:09:13 -0400b, From: "tech support" <tech_support@sp32.com>, Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 Doc set... plain jane/ Message-ID: <umpm93jeg6h7b9@corp.supernews.com>   K When did everyone receive 7.3-1 software and doc? We didn't receive it yet.zE Just wondering how far behind we are in getting our shipment. Thanks.r   Doug Software Partners, Inc.T tech_support@sp32.com  www.softwarepartners.com 978-887-6409? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messagenD news:rdeininger-2408020910270001@1cust82.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...L > In article <4C519CCC638BD411A4270000F8CD1D8240CC47@NTSV2>, "McCarthy Kevin" > P." <McCarthyKP@BWSC.ORG> wrote: >SB > >Although many people on the news group complained about the SunF > >workstation on the cover of the 7.3 doc set at least there was some > >color and content.b > >lI > >I just got the 7.3-1 doc set and it is the plainest  thing I have ever"H > >seen; did they lay off everyone who could make a cover.  Our in-house/ > >stuff is several orders of magnitude better.n >aH > The docs arrived at work this week, and I agree, they are quite plain.K > But everyone I talked to is glad the Compaq name is gone from the covers.s >.F > >Maybe they just wanted to get the HP name on the docs??? If so theyJ > >should have changed the "Compaq Computer Corporation  Houston Texas" on > >the first page. >W' > I asked, and this is what I was told:  >eJ > Nothing was done about the logos and branding until after the merger was > complete.t >aK > After the merger, much of the doc set was frozen, or nearly frozen.  (ThecD > expected release date was earlier than the actual release date, asJ > always.)  There was (barely) time to change the covers of the books, butK > no time to do a fancy design or fiddle with the inside cover pages or ther > actual text of the books.w >c2 > The next set of books is expected to be fancier.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:11:01 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t, Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 Doc set... plain jane& Message-ID: <3D6CD9F5.3DE95CA@aaa.com>   HI.h5 I asked my HP support rep yesterday when they will bea% distrinuted in Sweden. No answer yet.h   Jan-Erik Sderholm.t   tech support wrote:  > M > When did everyone receive 7.3-1 software and doc? We didn't receive it yet. G > Just wondering how far behind we are in getting our shipment. Thanks.  >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:29:14 +0200n From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: VMS sales in 20014 Message-ID: <NG7b9.11980$C26.1190029@zwoll1.home.nl>  P There was message in this group that on Partner Net there is a presentation (or P so) with some figures that OpenVMS was the only OS that had seen growth in 2001.  P I can't find the message anymore, and I realy would like to have a link to this  presentation / article.   N I know Partnet Net is only for certain business partners, but that will be no  problem.   Regards,   Dirk   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:15:22 -0400C; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>T, Subject: Re: What's going on with Encompass?$ Message-ID: <3d6d055d$1@news.si.com>  * >I wouldn't know, and I'm just a Director.  % Terry, you sound like Ken Lay <wink>.s -- sA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comuA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comi= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2002 12:12:26 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95? 6 Message-ID: <akiena$1i8ej5$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  $ In article <3d6badd7$1@news.si.com>,> 	"Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:* >>All I can think of offhand is that C hasB >>pointers first. (I vaguely remember reading that Fortran now has >>pointers.) > M > Pointers have existed in VAX Fortran as long as I remember.  One passes thesN > address of a data structure in a subprogram call and then uses that address, > with %LOC as needed.  % But then, that's not ForTran, is it??s   bill   -- sJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   i   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2002 12:15:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Why C is better than Fortran 95?r6 Message-ID: <akietk$1i8ej5$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  ( In article <3D6BC916.2DFF3EE2@ohio.edu>,0 	"Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes: > X > In my limited experience, most C compilers are unwilling to do the bookkeeping for you\ > when you want to use large arrays (usually for rather paltry definitions of "large").  You\ > are forced to use dynamic memory allocation (malloc and "friends") even if the arrays willZ > be in place for 99% of the execution time of the program.  Every FORTRAN compiler I have\ > used was delighted to let me declare an array as big as the hardware would support, and do > all the bookkeeping for me.  > [ > Being able to use dynamic memory allocation is a feature; being forced to use it is a bugt' > in my view, certainly a non-feature. o >   I Well, I've never tried to create a multi-GB array in either language, but J in doing real work I have never run into an array so large that C couldn'tK do it.  Except in the case of machines with insufficient physical resources : to handle it.  But that applies to both languages equally.  5 bill   -- mJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   i   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:39:49 +0000 (UTC)e9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>s& Subject: Re: [Announce] FreeVMS 0.0.30- Message-ID: <akhuo5$n34$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>i  1 Zane H. Healy <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote: # : JKB <bertrand@chezmoi.com> wrote: @ :> 	You can find at http://freevms.free.fr/indexGB.html the last> :> 	release of the FreeVMS kernel. Some new features have been: :> 	written (clustering, ODS2/5 support, new system calls, :> 	utilities...).  @ : Interesting, has FreeVMS reached the point that it's bootable?  G It has been bootable since the earliest scheduler stuff late last year.    -- ' -Roarl   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.474 ************************