1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 03 Dec 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 667       Contents:6 Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server., Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?* RE: Are VMS operations really this bad???! ConsoleWorks applet problem.3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 RE: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 RE: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 RE: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper L Re: Does anybody know how to convert D_FLOAT's to G_FLOAT's mathematically ? Re: Endianity of Itanium Re: Endianity of Itanium Re: Endianity of Itanium Re: Endianity of Itanium Re: Endianity of Itanium Re: Endianity of Itanium Re: Future of RMS Semantics tag  Hobbyist CD - VAX ) Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org ) Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org 3 Re: Information Needed -Cross Compiler Availability 3 RE: Information Needed -Cross Compiler Availability 3 Re: Information Needed -Cross Compiler Availability 3 Re: Information Needed -Cross Compiler Availability " Re: Just another Slowaris CERT ... lock manager and blocking asts Manipulating the call stack # Re: More moves out of north america - Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-6 - Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-6 * Re: OpenVMS and Tru64 binary compatibility Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: Pathworks and IPC$% Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance " Re: Province code change in Canada" Re: Province code change in Canada" RE: Province code change in Canada" Re: Province code change in Canada" RE: Province code change in Canada Re: Recursive Deletion
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 Re: SMTP Help  Re: Unzip for VMS 4.7 ( Re: [OT] FORTRAN-based accounting system  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:51:13 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> ? Subject: Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server. ? Message-ID: <95789d9e4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   A In message <aus-B15B3A.19064730112002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de> 9           "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:   . > In article <3DE8DAA7.7040608@tsoft-inc.com>,, >  David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > R > > Been reading this thread.  Seems that for what you want you're going about it  > > the hard way.  >  > G > I agree and would appreciate receiving some detailed examples. I had  5 > thought about this but don't know how to set it up.  > > K > > Much easier, and better in my (not always) humble opinion is to send a   > > message P > > to the PC whan a file is ready, including filespec, and have the PC FTP the 	 > > file   > > from the VMS system. > > M > > On the PC, set up a service that listens for socket connection requests,   > > grants  N > > the connection, receives the message, FTPs the file, ACKs the client, and ? > > notifys whatever application on the PC that needs the file.  > > P > > On VMS, you set up a client routine that the application producing the file  > > can M > > call to request the connection, send the file info, wait for an ACK, and  
 > > close  > > down the connection. > > M > > In this manner you don't have the PC attempting to pick up an incomplete  
 > > file. O > > You have positive acknowledgement for the VMS app that the file was indeed  P > > picked up.  You have the file being picked up immediately after it's ready,  > > and C > > the PC doesn't have to uselessly loop on the search for a file.  > > ' > > If you need any examples, just ask.  > >  > > Dave > >  > >  > > Hans Aus wrote:  >   I To avoid picking up an incomplete file, you could just create it with one 8 name, then rename it to the name the PC is checking for.  H If you want the PC to pick up any file in the directory, then create theB file in a different directory on the same disk, and rename between directories.   Even works in DCL.   --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 13:35:29 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? 3 Message-ID: <cScVRRgfEINq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3DE8A787.3B2CD548@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: ? > Yes, VEST'ing or using some free Windows VAX emulator was two  > of my other options... > < > Well, I think things are much clearer now and I'll talk to< > my client to find a solution. `The main goal is to get rid > of the VAX 4000...  A    Which will probably outlive either a Sun or Emulator solution. !    Most VAX 400 are hard to kill.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 23:18:33 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? * Message-ID: <asgpo9$slo$4@web1.cup.hp.com>  c In article <3DE8A787.3B2CD548@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: > :Yes, VEST'ing or using some free Windows VAX emulator was two :of my other options...   G   VEST will very likely work for various PAK generation operations, but G   there are changes to LMF and to licensing options that you might wish H   to use now or in the future, changes that are not available within the7   context of your client's older PAK generation tools.    G   The original PAK generation tool was officially retired prior to Y2K.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:35:33 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 3 Subject: RE: Are VMS operations really this bad???! T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D999B@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Larry,  , Actually, not the original posters fault.=20  H It was actually a great "typo". I had sent an email to the person listedE thinking it would take awhile anyway before it got fixed. As it turns C out, she removed it immediately until her web people could post the  corrected listing.  B Anyway, the url was for a number of OpenVMS (and NT) Operator type! positions and the posting stated:   F "The role at present doe not involve shift work but as from March next year it will be shit work."   H As I mentioned, the updated posting is supposed to be available shortly.   :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)        -----Original Message-----7 From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]=20  Sent: December 2, 2002 10:51 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 Subject: Re: Are VMS operations really this bad???!     C In article <01KPK8TJPMKEA24IEW@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip 3 Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:  >> =G http://www.it.jobserve.com/jobserve/JobDetail.asp?jobid=3D1443168C05BD3  >> 778 >=20( > Job 16227480 not found, maybe expired.  E Another good reason not to waste everybody's time by posting raw URLs  without a summary.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 11:57:59 -0800   From: alanb@cloud9.net (Alan B.)% Subject: ConsoleWorks applet problem. = Message-ID: <88599d89.0212021157.4a90ffed@posting.google.com>   B When I am on the office LAN to the ConsoleWorks PC, it works fine.E When I am at home with DSL/VPN access, it works up to a point. When I E click on the terminal icon to bring up a console screes, it just sits A there and I get no console applet. I've tried both Netscape (same D version as at the office) and IE and both  have the same result. Any& ideas why the java applet won't start?    Thanks,    Alan    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:21:34 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper3 Message-ID: <AycfUimigFeq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   H In article <t955sa.9f7.ln@127.0.0.1>, marco viola <mgv@mail.com> writes:R > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:< >> The passwords are held in /etc/shadow and this by default! >> isn't readable except by root.  >  >  >> ls -la /etc/shadow returns D >> -r--------   1 root     sys          674 Nov 27 09:55 /etc/shadow >  > Not writable; interesting. >  > How do you add users?   H    Utilities like the admin tool and the passwd command are suid root or    only runnable by root.      F    Since root owns the file and root ignores most file permissions the)    programs can deal with the protection.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:23:49 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper3 Message-ID: <8Ye79X5iyXjj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3DE667B9.F8374923@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > Jean-loup Gailly wrote: K >> By using John, a system administrator can effectively eliminate all weak O >> passwords. I'm surprised that many VMS fans cannot understand the usefulness H >> of such a tool. (I wrote the John VMS patch for a security audit of a >> large company.) >  > O > Suppose you do find that your boss has a weak password. What do you do then ? P > Do you go and tell him that you extracted his password and decided that it wasP > weak ? Wouldn't that jeoperdize the integrity of the system manager who is not/ > supposed to have access to user's passwords ?   H    Where we work the system manager would be derlict in his duties if heG    did not bring this to the attention of the boss.  Weak == guessable, %    so there's no decision to be made.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:27:39 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper3 Message-ID: <Uw5wKc8rLnS2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <3DE7276F.464C9194@laposte.net>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean=2DFran=E7ois=20PI=C9RONNE?=  writes: > F > I have only seen in movies people finding password after 3 attempts.  E    I was watching GoldenEye rerun last week.  "You sit on it, but you G    don't take it with you" is a password none of my systems would allow     to begin with.   G    As a matter of fact, my systems wouldn't allow phonetic spellings of F    less common Gaelic terms, something which was once touted as a good    example of a good password.  E    But the PHMs have got 2 day password minimum lifetimes set on some <    of our systems.  There's a good way not to have security.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:33:07 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper3 Message-ID: <SjPeY4ZUOBwU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <as7ll2$q9e$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes: M > Increasing the characterset from which VMS passwords can be chosen probably J > wouldn't really increase VMS security when these mechanisms are properly > deployed.   I    No, but it does help to keep VMS in shops where the security "experts" F    are convonced they must have rules requiring characters VMS doens't!    currently allow or care about.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:34:25 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper3 Message-ID: <p8VH66zK+sJ7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3DEB8EF0.7613F6E7@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > David Webb wrote:  >>   > ... B > I fully agree with your points, I note with interest that on the@ > Roadmaps, OpenVMS is slated for case sensitivity in passwords. >   >    I'm still disappointed that I couldn't use  in a password.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 19:45:04 GMT , From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)< Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper5 Message-ID: <asgd7v$qop3a$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   0 In article <01C299E3.73877BC0@sulfer.icius.com>,' 	Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:  > J > user will write it on a post-it and stick it somewhere convenient. Often$ > to the cube wall, in plain sight.   - Or the last page of their desk calendar.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:28:48 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>< Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper/ Message-ID: <3DEBC27A.44AF07E7@vl.videotron.ca>    Atlant Schmidt wrote: 0 > Prediction: Passwords are a thing of the past;' > it'll all be biometrics soon anyway.      J Assuming VMS survives this long, how will it impact SYSUAF.DAT ? Would theG engineers modify the format of SYSUAF to allow for oneway encryption of K biometric data as well a a password ? Or would they prefer to add a layered F product with sufficient privs to bypass the SYSUAF password mechanism?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:51:40 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>< Subject: RE: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper0 Message-ID: <01C29A01.AC9CD7C0@sulfer.icius.com>  G IIRC they added the ability to use an external verification mechanism a D few releases ago. It'd be relatively easy to plug into that, I would imagine.   Shane    -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca] ( Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 12:29 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper     Atlant Schmidt wrote: 0 > Prediction: Passwords are a thing of the past;' > it'll all be biometrics soon anyway.      F Assuming VMS survives this long, how will it impact SYSUAF.DAT ? Would the G engineers modify the format of SYSUAF to allow for oneway encryption of C biometric data as well a a password ? Or would they prefer to add a  layered F product with sufficient privs to bypass the SYSUAF password mechanism?   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 15:19:13 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: RE: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper3 Message-ID: <LsDHo8dDeO0B@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <01C29A01.AC9CD7C0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: I > IIRC they added the ability to use an external verification mechanism a  > few releases ago.   C Certainly by V5.5-2, which is the earliest version still supported.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 15:20:25 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper3 Message-ID: <APwDvA$lzQbd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <asghgu$r33oi$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  ; > Heard all that before.  I'm still waiting for my personal 9 > gyrocopter to eliminate fighting the traffic on crowded 8 > expressways and the drive-it-self car so I can enjoy a; > good book while my car handles the task of navigating and   C That is called commuter rail, and while there is none in your town,   there was some 100 years ago :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 02 01:34:54 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) < Subject: RE: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper) Message-ID: <BWWIZVJeixRP@elias.decus.ch>   n In article <vnNG9.47$BJ4.1575029@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) writes:3 > In article <01C299DF.0D1F5870@sulfer.icius.com>,  ( > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: > ..H >>The only way I know of to start users caring about the guessability ofI >>their passwords is to inconvenience them if they don't pick a good one.  > .. > O > I am of the opinion -- based on personal experience, although not necessarily F > accepted by my employer -- that even users who care very much about F > secute passwords tend to pick very poor passwords from time to time.J > My preferred solution is to enforce generated passwords.  Yes, this has G > drawbacks too, but I find they are better than user chosen passwords.   O I had never bothered much with generated passwords until a couple of years ago. C That day I wasn't feeling very creative, and the password generator F cheerfully gave me some nonsense words which I found easy to remember.  E Why was I changing all my passwords? I had been playing with Samba on E VMS and discovered a published security hole in NT, which would allow A an attacker to attack passwords a few bytes at a time. Oh dear, I E had been using Samba with a privileged VMS username. Quickly changed,  but lesson learnt. --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2002 02:12:59 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)< Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper5 Message-ID: <ash3vb$qvvue$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   3 In article <APwDvA$lzQbd@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:f > In article <asghgu$r33oi$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > < >> Heard all that before.  I'm still waiting for my personal: >> gyrocopter to eliminate fighting the traffic on crowded9 >> expressways and the drive-it-self car so I can enjoy a < >> good book while my car handles the task of navigating and > E > That is called commuter rail, and while there is none in your town, " > there was some 100 years ago :-)  C Having lived in Germanty for about 6 year I can assure you there is C nothing I have ever seen in the US that qualifies as commuter rail.   @ And I was talking about the personal gyrocopter promised by such. rags as Popular Science back in the 50's-60's.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2002 02:16:49 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)< Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper5 Message-ID: <ash46h$qvvue$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   4 In article <1021202194650.400B-100000@ives.egh.com>,# 	John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: ' > On 2 Dec 2002, Larry Kilgallen wrote:  > g >> In article <asghgu$r33oi$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >>  > >> > Heard all that before.  I'm still waiting for my personal< >> > gyrocopter to eliminate fighting the traffic on crowded; >> > expressways and the drive-it-self car so I can enjoy a > >> > good book while my car handles the task of navigating and >>  F >> That is called commuter rail, and while there is none in your town,# >> there was some 100 years ago :-)  > D > There was some 25 years ago...  (IIRC, it was suspended during theI > blizzard of 78 and was never resumed afterwards.  The tracks have since  > been replace by a bike path.)    C Where was that??  There has not been passenger service on any track A in NEPA since before I was born (which is a lot longer ago than I D wish it was!!)  There is one of those "rails-to-trails" right behindB my house where I frequently go running (actually, the old railroadC bed is part of my property line) but it was freight only and hasn't E run a passenger since the trolley to the lake days when my mother was  a child.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2002 02:18:47 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)< Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper5 Message-ID: <ash4a7$qvvue$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   / In article <3DEBFAFF.F9381272@vl.videotron.ca>, 3 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  > M > All those fancy authorisation are totally useless. Every sunday, ABC TV (in O > USA) has a one hour documentary showing how a young girl (Sydney Bristow) can K > break into all the super high intensity security systems/building in mere & > seconds and without much training.    
 Documentary??    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 20:05:47 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper3 Message-ID: <G5Ybbagovfd1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <ash46h$qvvue$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:6 > In article <1021202194650.400B-100000@ives.egh.com>,% > 	John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: ( >> On 2 Dec 2002, Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>  h >>> In article <asghgu$r33oi$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>> ? >>> > Heard all that before.  I'm still waiting for my personal = >>> > gyrocopter to eliminate fighting the traffic on crowded < >>> > expressways and the drive-it-self car so I can enjoy a? >>> > good book while my car handles the task of navigating and  >>> G >>> That is called commuter rail, and while there is none in your town, $ >>> there was some 100 years ago :-) >>  E >> There was some 25 years ago...  (IIRC, it was suspended during the J >> blizzard of 78 and was never resumed afterwards.  The tracks have since  >> been replace by a bike path.) >   E > Where was that??  There has not been passenger service on any track C > in NEPA since before I was born (which is a lot longer ago than I  > wish it was!!)  < What about the Laurel Line, or doesn't an Interurban count ?   You are a real youngster :-)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:09:31 +0100; From: "Jerome" <Jerome.Forissier@removethis.libertysurf.fr> U Subject: Re: Does anybody know how to convert D_FLOAT's to G_FLOAT's mathematically ? 4 Message-ID: <newscache$jtii6h$u87$1@news.tiscali.fr>  5 "Rob Kersey" <robert_kersey@bat.com> wrote in message 7 news:f936a854.0212020456.1b61ada0@posting.google.com...  <snip>G > It's a long story but we have an application that writes values to an H > Oracle Rdb database as D_FLOAT values.  The application that reads theB > values out then converts them to G_FLOAT's for display purposes. <snip>H > Can anybody assist with how to convert these numbers mathematically ??H >  I imagine there must be a formula that can be applied (which probably > involves bit shifting ).    * Maybe this will help (sorry if URL wraps):L http://www.support.compaq.com/alpha-tools/documentation/current/alpha-archt/ alpha-architecture.pdf- See section 2.2.5, VAX Floating-Point Formats    -- Jerome   > ( > Any help would be greatly appreciated. >  > Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 13:25:38 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium 3 Message-ID: <zGrEY3td3vFd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3de7c20d$1@news.swissonline.ch>, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> writes: > Hello, > K > does the Itanium plattform have the same endianity as alpha (tru64, vms):  > little endian?  :    No.  Alpha is bi-endian.  Itanium is endian-and-a-half.  D    That is Alpha will run either in little-endian or big-endian, you@    have to choose before boot (only Cray had a big-endian OS for
    Alpha).  I    Itanium's instructions must be stored little-endian, but it can access G    data in little-endian or big-endian.  IIRC this can be switched on a 1    per-process basis while the system is running.   G    For reference, VAX and older Intel are stricktly little-endian.  VMS D    and Tru64 are both little-endian OS.  HP-UX (which is supposed to-    inherit Tru64 capabilities) is big-endian.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 13:28:14 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium 3 Message-ID: <LEwp$by1lMjb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3DE7E91E.11542C9A@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:# > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: ( >> Itanium has any endium you preferium. > F > Do bi chips have any "preference" for either endium in terms of core > design/performance ?  D    It's relativley trivial to design in a flip in the data path in aF    manner which has no preference.  What's actually done is up to the H    chip designer, but there's no real value in designing in a slow down.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 13:30:04 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium 3 Message-ID: <9svVtYlu$HNj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3DE93245.4B5CE655@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > John McLean wrote:J >> At a recent OpenVMS Techical Seminar I heard that Itanium is any-endianJ >> for data but little endian for instructions.  You will be able to set a7 >> flag bit in your PCB to say which way the data goes.  >  > M > Interesting, so the compilers and linkers that run on HP-UX will have to do H > neat tricks to genereate little-endian code. Does this mean that HP-UXP > compilers will have to be significantly different that HP might not see fit to% > use the Intel compilers for HP-UX ?   G    I would think that Intel compilers would support both modes.  Nobody D    has said anything about endianness as an issue in the HP-UX port.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 13:31:40 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium 3 Message-ID: <8bW8wRMt92yJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <UVaG9.9742$ta5.1131128@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "John Reagan" <johnrreagan@earthlink.net> writes: N > As others have mentioned, Itanium is bi-endian.  The actual instructions areJ > allocated in little-endian order.  The architecture has a user-writeableL > register that has a big/little endian flag.  OpenVMS will require that theM > flag be in little-endian position.  If you try to flip the bit (you'll have M > to write in Itanium Assembly to access that register - no compiler builtins N > are being provided to set it), you are no longer running OpenVMS and I'm not > sure what will happen.... ;-)  >   F    The Fortran I/O system's foreign data support mode won't be able to    take advantage of this?   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 13:32:40 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium 3 Message-ID: <$MdJ5+DJQrK1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3DE97136.86393AAC@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:N >> >register that has a big/little endian flag.  OpenVMS will require that theO >> >flag be in little-endian position.  If you try to flip the bit (you'll have O >> >to write in Itanium Assembly to access that register - no compiler builtins P >> >are being provided to set it), you are no longer running OpenVMS and I'm not! >> >sure what will happen.... ;-)  > P > Humm, let me see, if you switch that bit, wouldn't it become "SMVnepO" on a 64. > bit machine, and "SMV" on a 32 bit machine ? > N > Where's your sense of adventure ? Think of all the fun that folks could have0 > switching that bit :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-) :-) :-)  8    Right, then call $QIO with all your parameters hosed!   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 15:25:13 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium 3 Message-ID: <uka6NSj+jXxS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <LEwp$by1lMjb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: d > In article <3DE7E91E.11542C9A@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:$ >> VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:) >>> Itanium has any endium you preferium.  >>  G >> Do bi chips have any "preference" for either endium in terms of core  >> design/performance ?  > F >    It's relativley trivial to design in a flip in the data path in aH >    manner which has no preference.  What's actually done is up to the J >    chip designer, but there's no real value in designing in a slow down.  C But that is not the approach that was taken with Alpha.  Big-endian 2 requires the compiler use some extra instructions.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 13:38:27 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Future of RMS Semantics tag3 Message-ID: <W8GH02MTaF9f@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3DE9DBB1.C1D5A522@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:I > At a time where Digital still had some vision, they implemented the RMS L > semantics tag for files. It allowed certain files (notable DDIF) which hadM > that tag to be viewed or typed by a "plug-in" (DDIF$VIEWSHR for instance).  O > This is why the decwidnows mail can display DDIF documents/images even though ( > it really has no support for graphics.  4    IIRC Pathworks used it also, probably still does.   > [...] is the future reallyH > aiming for a dumbing down of the file system down to the UNIX "no file > structure" philosophy  ?  ,    Now tht would break upward compatability!   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 16:00:46 -0600 ( From: "watneys" <watneys@127.0.0.1:7502> Subject: Hobbyist CD - VAX# Message-ID: <3debd80e_2@Usenet.com>   K Where can I get an OpenVMS hobbyisy CD and license for VAX?  I'm interested F in picking up an old VAX Station off ebay to play around with.  tia...  8  Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services: ----------------------------------------------------------7     ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** B ----------------------------------------------------------        %                 http://www.usenet.com    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:57:18 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org3 Message-ID: <y7OzNtYi3Fgm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <f84G9.188442$YSz1.77626@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3DE84969.B12CEBED@fsi.net...  >>C >> Give the public a solid, reasonably safe-feeling car with enough K >> acceleration to get out of its own way and you might see that trend that # >> shift a bit - MAYBE, just maybe.  > J > If people (generally) quit 'super-sizing' their meals and stuffing theirJ > faces with junk food, maybe that smaller car with 140HP would seem peppy) > enough, and they could fit into it too.  >   0    Maybe "What Would Jesus Drive" will catch on.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 13:05:34 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> 2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.orgB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021202125917.026fcaa8@raptor.psccos.com>  ) At 11:57 AM 12/2/2002, Bob Koehler wrote: L >In article <f84G9.188442$YSz1.77626@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, & >"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > >S@ > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message% > > news:3DE84969.B12CEBED@fsi.net...N > >>E > >> Give the public a solid, reasonably safe-feeling car with enoughbM > >> acceleration to get out of its own way and you might see that trend thatS% > >> shift a bit - MAYBE, just maybe.r > >gL > > If people (generally) quit 'super-sizing' their meals and stuffing theirL > > faces with junk food, maybe that smaller car with 140HP would seem peppy+ > > enough, and they could fit into it too.  > >  >c2 >    Maybe "What Would Jesus Drive" will catch on.  I People can drive around in all the 140hp cracker boxes they want.  As forsI me, I'll wave from the window of my SUV or my 13-ton motorhome going down B the highway.  Betcha I'll survive more accidents than they will...  A But at any rate, could we do something silly like go back to somerF VMS-related topic, and not waste the bandwidth of this group on topics
 like this?   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:49:00 -0600o- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t< Subject: Re: Information Needed -Cross Compiler Availability3 Message-ID: <afFzj1QFfOvW@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  b In article <a52b9f26.0211290027.2745938f@posting.google.com>, nipun_java@yahoo.com (nipun) writes:! > Any input would be appreciated.n >  > Domain : Embedded Systemsa >  > The problem statement :t > C > Software Development Environment on VAX-VMS has to be ported to aoG > suitable target development environment.The target processor is Intel  > 80186 Processor.  ?    OpenVMS Alpha would be the best "suitable target development.I    environment".  You might have to VEST the compilers and similar tools.m  D    Second best "suitable target development environment" would be to    remain with VAX-VMS.A   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:51:11 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)P< Subject: RE: Information Needed -Cross Compiler Availability3 Message-ID: <5b9PB2KmtDly@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <XkhYgIXOEFuE@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:a  H >> If looking to move to a more open (i.e.. not tied to MS) environment,2 >> you might want to consider NetBeans on OpenVMS: > = > Kerry, you seem to have missed this from the original post:- >  >> Domain : Embedded Systems   e  D    What's wrong with using Netbeans for an embedded target?  You canE    readily extened Netbeans as Compaq did when they added EDT, C, andr    C++ modules.9   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 15:23:22 -0600-- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e< Subject: Re: Information Needed -Cross Compiler Availability3 Message-ID: <AbC5wHuRM0e6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <afFzj1QFfOvW@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:wd > In article <a52b9f26.0211290027.2745938f@posting.google.com>, nipun_java@yahoo.com (nipun) writes:" >> Any input would be appreciated. >> u >> Domain : Embedded Systems >>   >> The problem statement : >> bD >> Software Development Environment on VAX-VMS has to be ported to aH >> suitable target development environment.The target processor is Intel >> 80186 Processor.  > A >    OpenVMS Alpha would be the best "suitable target developmenteK >    environment".  You might have to VEST the compilers and similar tools.v  H Why would he want to VEST the compilers ?   His customer wants to switch programming languages.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 21:48:47 -0800t" From: nipun_java@yahoo.com (nipun)< Subject: Re: Information Needed -Cross Compiler Availability= Message-ID: <a52b9f26.0212022148.2020cacb@posting.google.com>o  g nipun_java@yahoo.com (nipun) wrote in message news:<a52b9f26.0212020042.36c497fb@posting.google.com>...oi > nipun_java@yahoo.com (nipun) wrote in message news:<a52b9f26.0211290027.2745938f@posting.google.com>...l# > > Any input would be appreciated.t > >  > > Domain : Embedded Systemsn > >  > > The problem statement :a > > E > > Software Development Environment on VAX-VMS has to be ported to aaI > > suitable target development environment.The target processor is Intelt > > 80186 Processor. > > G > > The code is written in ASM186 & PLM186 assembly languages and Intel . > > cross compilers are used to generate code. > > G > > 1)Can anyone give any pointers with respect to availability of such I > > cross compilers/assembler for ASM186 & PLM186 on other platforms liken1 > > windows,linux,sun solaris?.If so, any links... > > J > > 2)Does GCC support such cross compilation for 80186 processors and are: > > gcc ports available for different target environments? > > 	 > > NipunE > B > Hey thanks guys for the responses, Actually I was lookint at theG > target development environment to be a UNIX variant(Sun Solaris would=F > be a preferred choice as a solution as emphasised by the client) Any > comments on that?a > H > Also I have heard that PLM compilers are no longer supported by Intel.E > So would it be better for us to look at using C as the language and G > then using C as a cross compiler and a tool for porting PLM to C.I am F > open to all suggestions. Thanks for all the help. I really need some > right now.  F Thanks again, Okay let me clear a few things. You are right Larry, the" word "target" is misdirected here.  E What I meant was the "new" development environment.Any suggestions on> that.a  D Also the client is keen on porting the existing software developmentC environment (which is currently on  Vax-vms5.5-2 platform and codedAB mostly in Pascal with a bit of Ada) to A Unix variant( Sun SolarisE preferred, again the operating system has to be reasoned out here) ase I said before.  > The "new" development environment language is to be Ada or any< other(with adequate reasoning in favor of One or the other).  D I think here the cross compiler does not come into the picture since< this is just the language of the software development tools.  F Additionally, these tools output is PL/M186 and ASM186 languages for a2 "target" 80186 processor which would remain fixed.  : Issues to be considered while porting ( Personal Opinions)  D 1) PLm compiler availability : If we are using Plm compiler then theF effort of porting would be relatively less.But it seems its very tough@ to find a PL/M compiler for 80186. In that Case we would have toB choose C ( or any other suitable) as target embedded language(Note; that this could be different from the language of the "new"cD development environment). As some guys suggested Javabeans etc, I amF not sure about the real time constraints here. The code to be producedF has to be optimized with real time constraints. Would that be possible with Java Beans , I'm not sure?d  F 2) In absence of Plm compiler 2 approaches could be followed if use of+ C as target embedded language is suggested:   D a) Either the source code generation tools would be made to output CE code instead of PL/M code and then a suitable cross compiler is used.iB This would increase porting effort but may lead to optimized code.  E b) Existing functionality of the code generation tools is not toucheduB and "simple"( maybe not so simple ) porting is made so that PLM isF outputted. A PLM2C tool is used to convert from PLM to C which is then? cross compiled to target(80186).This would still involve higher-= efforts as compared to when Plm compiler is used but would be@A relatively lesser than a) option.Code though may not be optimallyb1 produced as layers of abstraction have increased.t  F Please let me know if I'm going wrong in my personal opinions here and( concrete suggestions are surely welcome.   Thanks Nipunr   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:00:51 -0600=- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n+ Subject: Re: Just another Slowaris CERT ...o3 Message-ID: <zp6B5KTJ4BHK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <fh8F9.200026$MGm1.7832@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:l > # > Certain three letter agencies????l      Not this time.5   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 18:50:54 -0800f1 From: usenet_cpp@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer)n' Subject: lock manager and blocking astsk= Message-ID: <31c49f0d.0212021850.45a7dee9@posting.google.com>p  C I have discovered two issues with the lock manager that I need helpv@ with.  Below is a mainprog which acquires an exclusive lock, andE registers an ast to be delivered when the process is blocking another?? process from getting the same lock.  It then goes in to a loop, 0 hibernating, and re-hibernating whenever awoken.  C Process #1 runs this mainprog, acquiring the lock, then hibernates:J   Getting exclusive lock Got exclusive lock going in to hibernation     $ A second process then does the same:   Getting exclusive lock    / And the AST is delievered to the first process:H   blocking ast calledc awaket going in to hibernationh    % A *third* process then does the same:i   Getting exclusive lock    2 But the AST in the first process is not delivered.  @ My first question is, why is the AST only delivered to the firstE process once?  The documentation says "When the lock prevents anotherlD lock from being granted, the blocking routine is delivered as an ASTA to the process."  It says nothing about this only hapenning once.s  @ My second question is, why does the first process ever wake fromA hibernation?  When the ast is delivered, it should only wake from0D hibernation if I call sys$wake.  Even if I leave the body of the astE empty, it still wakes up from hibernation.  Shouldn't this go back in@' to hibernation, unless I call sys$wake?<   Thanks for your help  
 joshua lehrerz factset research systems   --- main.cxx ---   #include <stdexcept> #include <iostream.h>  #include <lckdef.h>c #include <lkidef.h>a #include <descrip.h> #include <efndef.h>h #include <prdef.h> #include <starlet.h>  B struct dsc$descriptor_s *strconv(struct dsc$descriptor_s *desc,	/* place to put descriptor */1 				 const char *string)		/* string to convert */h {a(   if (string) {			/* if string exists */=     desc->dsc$w_length=strlen(string); /* length of string */d>     desc->dsc$a_pointer=(char*)string; /* pointer to string */=     desc->dsc$b_class=DSC$K_CLASS_S;   /* descriptor class */uD     desc->dsc$b_dtype=DSC$K_DTYPE_T;   /* Data type: ASCII string */;     return desc;		       /* return pointer to descriptor */i   }    else
     return 0;s }e  + static void blocking_ast(void *ast_param) {-"   printf("blocking ast called\n"); }    struct lock_status_block {   unsigned short condition;B   unsigned short reserved;   unsigned int lock_id;  };  % void obtain_lock(const char * name) {SE   if( strlen(name) > 31) throw std::logic_error("Invalid License Namee	 Length");8  4   //complete synchronously if possible, avoiding ast<   //and event flag.  returns SS$_SYNCH instead of SS$_NORMAL#   unsigned int flags=LCK$M_SYNCSTS;   (   struct dsc$descriptor_s sResourceName;   strconv(&sResourceName,name);a  +   cout << "Getting exclusive lock" << endl;e      lock_status_block lsb;
   int status=e=     sys$enqw(EFN$C_ENF,      //event flag - use a generic one + 	     LCK$K_EXMODE,   //lock mode exclusiveo) 	     &lsb,           //lock status blockt 	     flags,          //flagsr( 	     &sResourceName, //name of resource& 	     0,              //parent lock id* 	     0,              //ast on acquisition% 	     0,              //ast parameter $ 	     blocking_ast,   //ast on block! 	     PR$C_PS_USER,   //user moden5 	     0);             //resource domain, 0 is defaultZ  '   cout << "Got exclusive lock" << endl;c }<  ! int main(int argc, char **argv) {2   obtain_lock("TEST_LOCK");b
   while (1) {n.     cout << "going in to hibernation" << endl;     sys$hiber();     cout << "awake" << endl;   }e }S   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 13:48:08 -0800b& From: aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron)$ Subject: Manipulating the call stack= Message-ID: <99c3a525.0212021348.3c98b870@posting.google.com>   0 I am trying to initialize the stack on an Alpha.  , 1) I walk the stack and find the initial FP.7 2) I set the current FP to the value of the initial FP.c  = I cannot figure out how to change the current FP to the valueD: contained in the initial FP.  I have been playing with theE PUT_INVO_REGISTERS function but I have not been able to make it work.   A First I need to know if this is the way to initialize a stack and 6 second I need a hint of how I would go about doing it.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 14:15:51 -0600o+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) , Subject: Re: More moves out of north america3 Message-ID: <X6N5y4zZPTJU@eisner.encompasserve.org>G  b In article <3DEBC747.BD79DBB7@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > ##. >   U.S. Approves IBM-Hitachi Hard Drive Deal # >  Reuters - Mon Dec 2,10:12 AM ET hH >  The U.S. Federal Trade Commission has approved International BusinessL > Machines Corp.'s (IBM.N) $2.05 billion sale of most of its hard-disk drive? > assets to Japan's Hitachi Ltd, the companies said on Monday. l > ## > N > I am of the opinion that the fate of commodity computing will follow that ofE > television sets and stereos: move offshore for cheap manufacturing.t > O > I am really not sure that HP can compete against asia on wintel junk, as well-3 > a low cost printers and cameras in the long term.8 >   @ 	What do you mean?  Much of that kit is manufactured in low-cost 	countries now.M  J > My question mark goes to Dell. Would their business  model allow them toM > compete head to head against Sony ? Sony already has an extensive worldwide;M > distribution network for all its gear from walkmans to expensive TV sets as,N > well as professional video equipment. Adding computers to that network would, > be a natural thing. Dell can't match that.  E 	And Sony has much of their manufacturing outside of Japan.  JapanesedB 	labor costs too much.  Why wouldn't Dell be allowed to (or using)@ 	the same or similar manufacturing facilities as Sony?  They areH 	you know.  Its a global economy by the way, and much of Dell's success B 	can be attributed to running a business with very demonstratable > 	efficiencies.  Better than their competition.  Sony certainly< 	isn't a threat to Dell, maybe they grow into one someday?    = 	That said, Carly F. threatens that HP will get to be a Dell:i  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6503  L She agrees with the STINQUIRER that the low cost model is the way to go, andL she has vowed to achieve cost parity with Dell for PCs, while continuing her5 "low end" attack on the imaging and printing markets.o  H Carly will "innovate where she can make a valued contribution", and willD leverage investments, innovations, and the capabilities of partners.  O In 2003, she proclaims, HP will meet its integration and value capture targets,iL deliver on its "aspire goals", "go on the offense", "focus on collaboration") and "come together as one team". Ooerr...    	Let's see how they "execute."   				Rob-  -: And the wind shall say:  "Here were decent godless people:>                           Their only monument the asphalt road:                           And a thousand lost golf balls."-                                 -- T.S. EliotA   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:06:42 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n6 Subject: Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-63 Message-ID: <qTFBfksCrsxQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  Z In article <as5s6v$olghe$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:  +    Not sure who contributed this reference:R  N > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/ns_navigator_303goldj_dow > nload_page.htmlg  .    Later systems willfind a simpler reference:H    sys$system:netscape-export.exe (shipped and IIRC installed with VMS).  L > OK, I installed 3.03 but that version also shows the same behaviour as itsL > predecessor. The application starts fine, it shows the widget where you'veF > got to accept the license terms. Once I click accept the applicationL > freezes. ANALYZE/SYSTEM does not show anything alarming, the process state	 > is LEF.y> > So the question remains: is this a Motif 1.2-6 problem then?  D    Typically these problems do not show up using Mozilla on the same2    system, so I think they're Netscape 3.x issues.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 02 22:46:41 +0100B) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)e6 Subject: Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-6) Message-ID: <1SG$GQwJ1cxa@elias.decus.ch>   Z In article <asa24f$pga3c$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes: > : > "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> schreef in bericht% > news:GjcUCcOgAXPX@elias.decus.ch... E >> In article <as5s6v$olghe$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems"g > <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:t >> > > [snip]A >> > So the question remains: is this a Motif 1.2-6 problem then?t >> > >>G >> Are you running it from the same system as you are displaying it on?n >>@ >> I recently tried running it via DECnet from a remote machine: >>7 >> $ set display /create /transport=decnet /node=mynode 
 >> $ netscapei >>H >> DECnet because yet again, the network guys were "honing their skills"C >> and I couldn't get the two systems talking TCP/IP to each other, > >> then tried to go into the Options menu. It completely froze> >> CDE in a way I have never seen before. The only way out was >> to restart DECwindows.c >> > > Paul > N > the "frozen netscape" problem happens on the VAXstation itself as well as onL > remote sessions (and the transport does not matter, DECnet and IP show the > same behaviour).    ? I only saw it with DECnet, so it might not be the same problem.   7 > Furthermore, there's no need to restart DECwindows, al9 > stop/id= for the appropriate FTA session is sufficient.J > 6 A good suggestion. I didn't think of that at the time. >  --  
 Paul Sture SwitzerlandQ   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 13:41:38 -0600e- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)73 Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Tru64 binary compatibilityn3 Message-ID: <feoA96RYTXHz@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  K In article <3deb2c26@news.post.ch>, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> writes:o > Hello, > 6 > could somebody help me, with the following question: > K > can junks of binary data (representing complex structs, arrarys, uniouns,mK > records in C or Ada programms) be savely transfered between OpenVMS (AXP)s4 > and Tru64 without special effort like marshalling?  F    That depends on what compiler features you are using and what media&    you are using to transfer the data.  E    Two big issues:  the compilers may pad the structures differently,c<    and the Tru64 compilers won't support VAX floating point.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:51:14 -0600t+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)r# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping 3 Message-ID: <sNlHRbJFmlBy@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  c In article <3DEB60A3.6DA163C3@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:u > Marty Kuhrt wrote: > D >> Having looked at the thread and Atlant's take on it, I read it asC >> Atlant admitting that the poor quality of the education that the.C >> schools are providing in US _are_ a problem created by the Left.n >  > I admit no such thing. > 5 > It isn't the left that's defunding public educationn2 > as rapidly as possible in favor of private (read > "religious") education.t >   : 	Actually.... the correct term and one that is just lovelyB 	to use is "choice."  There is an excellent overview of Washington@ 	D.C.'s chances of getting choice (following in the footsteps of; 	successful programs in Cleveland and Milwaukee) in today'so> 	Wall Street.. you must be a subscriber and being a subscriber 	isn't free:  J http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1038779399344240073,00.html?mod=opinion  > 	Since the Supreme Court paved the way, and Washington D.C.'s A 	schools are failing left and right, (one detail from the articlehC 	shows that D.C.'s math testing shows juniors in highschool failingcA 	below national testing standards to the tune of 72%) and Clinton!B 	was the obstacle last time this was up (he vetoed Washington D.C.8 	school choice bill) .. You see there is a great deal of; 	hypocrisy here.  Chelsea went to one of the finest privatehC 	schools in D.C. as do Senator's children.  It is certain Bush willtB 	sign it to give D.C students a fair chance at a better education.  1 	Here is a link to a D.C. school choice overview:c  4 http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20020731-48349993.htm  H 	We see a pattern early on.  Choice is acceptable in failing situations,A 	but we wouldn't dare make that across the board nationwide.  Not E 	for now... but some day.  After all, success does make things easierc, 	to push or foist on us poor dumb Amerikans.   > - > I lay the blame for the decline in Americand1 > academic performance squarely where it belongs:o1 > The rise of anti-intelectualism and the fall of./ > parental rsponsibility. "American" is rapidly . > becoming equivalent to "Ignoranus, and proud	 > of it!"a >   A 	Nonsense.  Blame it on the likes of Ted Kennedy and his ilk thatrE 	support a monopoly that is unmotivated and entrenched.  Fortunately, G 	wiser folks are saying enough and handing out vouchers to kids trapped $ 	in failing schools.  Good for them.  7 > No, sorry, I don't admit that the failure of Americanu% > education is the fault of the left.r  D 	Ummm... then why would Ted Kennedy be pushing legislation to stifleH 	school choice (see Wall Street article)?  Can you get any further left  	than Ted Kennedy?  B http://www.schoolreport.com/schoolreport/articles/oppose_10_00.htm  M "Columnist Molly Ivins described voucher supporters as "fruitcakes unlimited,rN flat-earthers, creationists..." North Carolina Gov. Jim Hunt said vouchers areK like "leeches." Senator Edward Kennedy (D-MA) said "Republicans in Congress0K should stop acting like plantation masters and start treating the people of L D.C. with the respect they deserve," when school choice was proposed for theO District. He has it backward. Plantation masters decide for others, his view ofhG government's role. Those who respect people favor them making their ownn decisions."t   [snip]  L Sen. Patrick Daniel Moynihan (D-NY) He favored school choice "long before itC was either conservative or liberal," and, "if it prevails only as a>A conservative cause, it will have been a great failure of Americann liberalism..."      @ 	How bout that?  Seems the conservatives have "school choice" asD 	a cause and subsequently it is *another* great failure of American  	liberalism.   				Rob    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:47:03 -05005 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com>N Subject: Re: Pathworks and IPC$h/ Message-ID: <uuo38te65o2f06@corp.supernews.com>   < "Deane Williams" <dwilliams296@comcast.net> wrote in message* news:5RqdnTz5RJRmOXagXTWcpA@comcast.com...
 > Systems:, > VMS 7.3 and Pathworks Advanced Server 6.0D) > VMS 7.3 and  Pathworks Lan Manager 5.0Ei( > NT 4..0/Windows 2000 Pro/Windows 98SR2
 > Problem:/ > Changed the password for users on the NT/2000 + > systems and now Pathworks comes back witht5 > the "You must supply a password for this connectione > \\NOUNIX\IPC$s  @ You've really been too vague in your description of the problem.  G What, exactly, were you doing that resulted in the error message above?e/ What client were you using (all of the above?)? J What do you mean by changed the password?  Are these domain passwords?  IsL every machine in the same domain?  What is the domain configuration, what is% the role of the servers listed above.a  B What is different now, as compared to before?  Were you using sameF username/password pairs across the various servers and now you aren't?  4 > Connecting to a 5.0E system everything works okay.  E 5.0E is very, very old,  not even Y2K ready, but, I guess you haven't I noticed that ;^).  If you can get your hands on the binaries, there is noi5 additional licensing charge to upgrade to V5.0F-ECO2.   3 > We tried every password and even used some of therK > "hacks" , but nothing works. Would it be easy to downgrade the 6.0 to theF > 5.0.  H There was a rollback capability built into V6, but, it escapes me at theD moment how to use it.  Better check the install guide (its online at openvms.comapq.com)e   Regards,  
 Brad McCusker) OpenVMS Engineering  Nashua NH, USA     > Thanks >a >m >  >i   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 20:49:32 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>. Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance* Message-ID: <asgh0s$r4f$5@web1.cup.hp.com>  3 Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote:l7 > In article <asb8s4$5u3$5@web1.cup.hp.com>, Rick Jones  > <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote:2 > An excellent post, saved for reference.  Thanks.   My pleasure.  A >>Did TSC Muenchen happen to give the particulars of the testing?S  A > The Alphaserver DS25 has on-board Gigabit Ethernet based on the- > Tigon 3 chip.-  E From everything I have experienced or seen so far on other platforms,e. the Tigon3 is a _big_ improvement over Tigon2.  F > Details about the new NICs in the pipeline for Alphaservers have notF > been released yet.  But it is a pretty safe guess that they will NOT > use Tigon 2.  D The HP 9000 side has released new GbE NICs which also are definitelyB not based on Tigon2 :) I think there may have even been an initial9 whitepaper on the performance of the new NICs released to C http://docs.hp.com.  Of course, that paper would address aspects of C the performance of the HP 9000 NICs under HP-UX. Still, it might be D interesting to folks here if it turns-out that the HP 9000's and theA Alphaservers happened to base their new NICs on the same chipset.   > One of these days I'll have to find an Alphaserver NIC guy and# exchange some internal email/notes.   
 rick jones -- rB firebug n, the idiot who tosses a lit cigarette out his car windowF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...i   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:12:03 -0600l- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s+ Subject: Re: Province code change in Canadae3 Message-ID: <NW3d8NdT$sks@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3DE5430B.4F25D852@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > J > Just a reminder that not all canadians are lumberjacks. We also have furP > traders, igloo makers and a thriving industry that builds tents and arrows :-)	 > :-) :-)d  ?    Also known for growing a lot of actors for export to the US.t   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 15:22:29 -06001- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: Province code change in Canadan3 Message-ID: <xk3inkhPgTc5@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  c In article <NW3d8NdT$sks@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:nd > In article <3DE5430B.4F25D852@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >>  K >> Just a reminder that not all canadians are lumberjacks. We also have fureQ >> traders, igloo makers and a thriving industry that builds tents and arrows :-) 
 >> :-) :-) > A >    Also known for growing a lot of actors for export to the US.   C And reasonably priced production houses, for importing TV and Movie  jobs from Hollywood.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:09:49 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>e+ Subject: RE: Province code change in CanadaoT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9999@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  G >>> And reasonably priced production houses, for importing TV and MovieE jobs from Hollywood.<<  H That's part of the secret plan .. Export the actors and beer commercialsE and then slowly bring the TV and movie jobs back to Canada... Part ofi their 5 year mission ...  ; Next step is to make the US the next province of Canada.=20>  F Any idea of what the province code for that new province should be?=20   :-)>  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantc Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesd Voice: 613-592-4660n Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)f       -----Original Message-----7 From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]=202 Sent: December 2, 2002 4:22 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn+ Subject: Re: Province code change in Canadat    3 In article <NW3d8NdT$sks@eisner.encompasserve.org>,h/ koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:-= > In article <3DE5430B.4F25D852@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei=20 + > <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:n >>=20jJ >> Just a reminder that not all canadians are lumberjacks. We also have=20I >> fur traders, igloo makers and a thriving industry that builds tents=20o >> and arrows :-)K
 >> :-) :-) >=20A >    Also known for growing a lot of actors for export to the US..  H And reasonably priced production houses, for importing TV and Movie jobs from Hollywood.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 03:09:39 GMTe1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) + Subject: Re: Province code change in Canadai; Message-ID: <TfVG9.111210$8D.2720514@twister.austin.rr.com>e  & Main, Kerry (Kerry.Main@hp.com) wrote: :  : I : >>> And reasonably priced production houses, for importing TV and Movie  : jobs from Hollywood.<< : J : That's part of the secret plan .. Export the actors and beer commercialsG : and then slowly bring the TV and movie jobs back to Canada... Part of  : their 5 year mission ... : : : Next step is to make the US the next province of Canada. : E : Any idea of what the province code for that new province should be?D :  : :-)A :   E You may have to battle the Aztlaners for parts of it currently known tC as California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and southern Colorado...   H    http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/05-06-2002/vo18no09_aztlan.htm;    The New American - Aztlan and Amalgamation - May 6, 2002W  1                          "Aztlan and Amalgamationi1                           by William Norman Grigg     aI    The Mexican government, radical Chicano separatists, and even the BushyB    administration are all seeking to open the U.S.-Mexican border.     G      Mexico is a friend of America. Mexico is our neighbor. And we want G      our neighbors to succeed. We want our neighbors to do well.... And-H      that's why it's so important for us to tear down barriers and walls7      that might separate Mexico from the United States.d      sH             -- President George W. Bush, address to the Hispanic ChamberH                    of Commerce, Albuquerque, New Mexico, August 15, 2001       E    While American troops engage al-Qaeda terrorist cells in far-flung-F    battlefields across Asia and our military leadership prepares for aI    Gulf War encore against Iraq, our "friend" and "neighbor" to the South-D    is relentlessly invading our homeland. The Mexican government andH    radical "Chicano" groups in this country are pursuing the dream of LaF    Reconquista -- the "re-conquest" of the southwestern United States.    uG    "More than a century after the U.S. invasion of Mexico that resulted H    in the annexation of Texas, Mexicans are `reoccupying' the territory,F    but through less violent means and for different reasons," reportedG    Monica Mendel of TheNewsMexico.com news service on March 25th. "Most.D    of these immigrants live in border states like California, Texas,D    Arizona, and New Mexico, the same ones Mexico lost when PresidentB    Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna signed an agreement to end the U.S.F    invasion in 1848 by ceding 2.5 million square kilometers of Mexican#    territory to the United States."c    t;    The provocative term "reoccupation" was not coined by antF    anti-immigration activist. Rather, it was used in an official studyG    published by the Mexican government's National Council on Population E    (Conapo). Mendel writes: "The `reoccupation' of this territory has+F    been slow but steady, and the number of immigrants is growing everyC    year." Citing Conapo's findings, Mendel predicts that during thefG    six-year reign of incumbent Mexican President Vicente Fox, ending iniG    2006, "two million Mexicans will enter the United States at the ratem&    of approximately 380,000 per year."    .F    By publishing the Conapo study, the Mexican government has formallyE    embraced the concept of "demographic warfare" -- re-conquering the H    southwestern United States through unchecked illegal immigration. ButE    it has long been an open secret that Mexico takes advantage of ourtG    porous southern border to export its "surplus poverty" and re-impose !    control over our southwest..."h    u7    http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/1754/mecha.htms    History of M.E.Ch.A.     2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailU   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:59:48 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>a+ Subject: RE: Province code change in CanadabT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660BBE@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  . >>> You may have to battle the Aztlaners ..<<<  @ So how do Americans feel about having three official languages - English, Spanish and French?   [Sorry, way OT .. ]m   :-) :-)a   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantm Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesg Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)        -----Original Message-----; From: Jerry Leslie [mailto:LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM]=20t Sent: December 2, 2002 10:10 PMo To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt+ Subject: Re: Province code change in Canada     & Main, Kerry (Kerry.Main@hp.com) wrote: :=20 :=20C : >>> And reasonably priced production houses, for importing TV andm Movieo : jobs from Hollywood.<< :=20> : That's part of the secret plan .. Export the actors and beer commercials-G : and then slowly bring the TV and movie jobs back to Canada... Part ofh : their 5 year mission ... :=20: : Next step is to make the US the next province of Canada. :=20E : Any idea of what the province code for that new province should be?Y :=20 : :-)e :=20  G You may have to battle the Aztlaners for parts of it currently known=20oC as California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and southern Colorado...y  H    http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/05-06-2002/vo18no09_aztlan.htm;    The New American - Aztlan and Amalgamation - May 6, 2002d  1                          "Aztlan and Amalgamation 1                           by William Norman Griggd   =20nD    The Mexican government, radical Chicano separatists, and even the BushB    administration are all seeking to open the U.S.-Mexican border.   =20pG      Mexico is a friend of America. Mexico is our neighbor. And we wantiG      our neighbors to succeed. We want our neighbors to do well.... And H      that's why it's so important for us to tear down barriers and walls7      that might separate Mexico from the United States.0     =203H             -- President George W. Bush, address to the Hispanic ChamberH                    of Commerce, Albuquerque, New Mexico, August 15, 2001     =20aE    While American troops engage al-Qaeda terrorist cells in far-flungeF    battlefields across Asia and our military leadership prepares for aC    Gulf War encore against Iraq, our "friend" and "neighbor" to the  SouthtD    is relentlessly invading our homeland. The Mexican government andH    radical "Chicano" groups in this country are pursuing the dream of LaF    Reconquista -- the "re-conquest" of the southwestern United States.   =20-G    "More than a century after the U.S. invasion of Mexico that resultedyH    in the annexation of Texas, Mexicans are `reoccupying' the territory,F    but through less violent means and for different reasons," reportedG    Monica Mendel of TheNewsMexico.com news service on March 25th. "Most6D    of these immigrants live in border states like California, Texas,D    Arizona, and New Mexico, the same ones Mexico lost when PresidentB    Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna signed an agreement to end the U.S.F    invasion in 1848 by ceding 2.5 million square kilometers of Mexican#    territory to the United States."o   =20 ;    The provocative term "reoccupation" was not coined by anoF    anti-immigration activist. Rather, it was used in an official studyG    published by the Mexican government's National Council on PopulationsE    (Conapo). Mendel writes: "The `reoccupation' of this territory haspF    been slow but steady, and the number of immigrants is growing everyC    year." Citing Conapo's findings, Mendel predicts that during theoG    six-year reign of incumbent Mexican President Vicente Fox, ending in0G    2006, "two million Mexicans will enter the United States at the rater&    of approximately 380,000 per year."   =20yF    By publishing the Conapo study, the Mexican government has formallyE    embraced the concept of "demographic warfare" -- re-conquering thecH    southwestern United States through unchecked illegal immigration. ButE    it has long been an open secret that Mexico takes advantage of our G    porous southern border to export its "surplus poverty" and re-impose !    control over our southwest..."p   =20d7    http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/1754/mecha.htmi    History of M.E.Ch.A.e    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaild   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 17:50:18 -0800e. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: Recursive Deletiont= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0212021750.37c35a87@posting.google.com>l  h koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<pjE$ycdPXht0@eisner.encompasserve.org>...p > In article <b096a4ee.0211271450.1a361e26@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:h > > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEFBGCAA.tom@kednos.com>...F > >> A COPY/DELETE similar to unix 'mv' would be useful,  maybe even a > >> /RECURSIVE qualifier. > > . > > Isn't this what BACKUP/VERIFY/DELETE does? > G >    No.  BACKUP and COPY make different decisions on whether to changei- >    the create date of the resulting file.  e  C Well, if you want to nitpick about dates... You mean the *revision*IF dates (actually the revision date-times!) (actually, the date and time4 of the last revision [for each file, of course]!!!).  # Besides, in another post I wrote...d  
 [begin quote]C- > >Isn't this what BACKUP/VERIFY/DELETE does?n >   > But I was referring to COPY.    F So what's wrong with using BACKUP/VERIFY/DELETE since it does what you ask?  F More specifically: $ BACKUP/VERI/DEL *.* another-disk:[some-directory]  D This command will move files from the current default to a directory= on another disk. Isn't that what mv does? Yes, there are someI@ differences between BACKUP and COPY -- is that what bothers you? [end quote]     You may not have seen that one.   C Anyway, the poster didn't say anything about revision dates, or anyoA dates for that matter. He also used the words "similar to", whichi@ means "similar to", not "exactly like". And "similar to" (in theF absence of other descriptive words, which is the case here) also means: we are not being fussy about dates or other small details.  > As for the /RECURSIVE qualifier, isn't that what [...] is for?   > backup/delete will leave a1 >    tree of empty directory files at the source.-  = Well, the poster didn't say if he wanted that or not. In some  circumstances you might.  C The poster also didn't give any particular specs. (OK, he mentionedtF the Unix mv command, but I don't know how that command works in detailE and the date-time fields aren't really the same between VMS and Unix.nC But I admit it would be nice to be able to specify a qualifier that05 would allow you to optionally delete the .DIR files.)r  E For some purposes, BACKUP/VERI/DELETE will do what you want, at leastHD for some users. If that's not good enough, then you'll have to write) your own or ask VMS Engineering to do it.m  E Like Hoff says, vague, overly short questions are difficult to answer ! to the questioner's satisfaction.-   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman2   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 01:09:09 GMTj( From: Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: SMTP Help+ Message-ID: <3DEC04AC.3BA84E4A@pacbell.net>d   Alan Adams wrote:w > , > In message <3DEBADDF.CAEC7566@pacbell.net>5 >           Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net> wrote:  >  > >  > > Any ideas on this ?e, > > I'm running Alpha VMS 7.2, TCPIP Ver 5.1 > >t= > > Beginning on 11-Nov I started getting this error in everya! > > TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG file.  > >cT > > Error in MX lookup for destination host 210.204.129.7217.220.13.35203.24.88.2624 > > .140.20.47. IOSB status: 20n > O > Not sure of the cause, but it looks to me like several addresses concatenated  >  > 210.204.129.7l > 217.220.13.35r > 203.24.88.26 > 24.140.20.47 > 3 > Do these look like valid values in a search list?c >   G No database I know of. But makes me think this could be a BIND issue...t >  > -- > Alan Adams( > alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.nckc.org.uk/t     --     Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin (@alphase.com)n
 San Franciscoo   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 01:20:45 GMTe( From: Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: SMTP Help+ Message-ID: <3DEC075E.DB98DA5F@pacbell.net>r   Alan Adams wrote:o > , > In message <3DEBADDF.CAEC7566@pacbell.net>5 >           Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net> wrote:e >  > >  > > Any ideas on this ?l, > > I'm running Alpha VMS 7.2, TCPIP Ver 5.1 > >k= > > Beginning on 11-Nov I started getting this error in everyu! > > TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG file.e > >hT > > Error in MX lookup for destination host 210.204.129.7217.220.13.35203.24.88.2624 > > .140.20.47. IOSB status: 20a > O > Not sure of the cause, but it looks to me like several addresses concatenated> >  > 210.204.129.7p > 217.220.13.35r > 203.24.88.26 > 24.140.20.47 >   $ Hold the phone... I spoke too soon. N These addresses were added to my bad clients list on, "guess what" 11-Nov, but without the intervening commas!tM Let this be a lesson to everyone. When the memory starts to go ...now I can'te# remember what I was going to say :)=" I think male menopause DOES exits.   Thanks to you & JF -- =   Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin (@alphase.com)u
 San Francisco    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 01:34:32 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>n Subject: Re: SMTP Help2 Message-ID: <3DEC09A7.497F5F4A@firstdbasource.com>   Alan Adams wrote:n > , > In message <3DEBADDF.CAEC7566@pacbell.net>5 >           Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net> wrote:l >  > >> > > Any ideas on this ?o, > > I'm running Alpha VMS 7.2, TCPIP Ver 5.1 > >e= > > Beginning on 11-Nov I started getting this error in everyr! > > TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG file.M > > T > > Error in MX lookup for destination host 210.204.129.7217.220.13.35203.24.88.2624 > > .140.20.47. IOSB status: 20o > O > Not sure of the cause, but it looks to me like several addresses concatenatede >  > 210.204.129.7E > 217.220.13.35f > 203.24.88.26 > 24.140.20.47 > 3 > Do these look like valid values in a search list?  >  > >kJ > > Status 20 is a bad parameter (no wonder with an IP address like that).Q > > Anyway Im still getting my email, but this appears with every email (in everyn > > log file).> > > I tried restarting SMTP, but the messages come back again.* > > Is there any point to trying a reboot? > > ! > > Any help is much appreciated.i >  > -- > Alan Adams( > alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.nckc.org.uk/*      8 The 210 address is city hall in Kangreung Cityhall Korea) The 217 address is Albacom (ISP) in Italy ? The 203 address is allocated to GlobalC - A Virginia Tech Co-op-	 affiliate-> And the 24 address is cable-20-47.sssnet.com (Massillon Cable, Massillon, Ohio)  E It is possible that the SSSNET.COM system has an open relay or is the8 source of the email.  
 Questions:  # Does everything else seem to work?  C Does your name server (TCPIP SHOW NAME) have the proper DNS serversc	 defined? o? Can you post the entire header from one of these mail messages?g   -- u Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163t7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comhE                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.html / 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)-   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 20:54:27 GMTs# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)M Subject: Re: Unzip for VMS 4.7* Message-ID: <asgha3$slo$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  d In article <5697eb95.0211272351.55d4e1a8@posting.google.com>, jk@igm-group.com (Joe Kreuzer) writes:B :I need Unzip for VMS 4.7. I know this is a pretty old version butB :perhaps anybody can help me. I need the binary executable because :theres no compiler installed.  F   "Pretty old" does not even begin to cover it -- this box is a decade.   overdue for an OpenVMS VAX upgrade.  Or two.  F   You will need to find or to back-port to VAX C or maybe (if it worksE   and/or if you can backport it) to GCC.  If I were in your universe,oE   I'd unpack the zip archive on an OpenVMS VAX box elsewhere and thent"   transfer it over uncompressed.    E   The other option would be to use an OpenVMS VAX distribution kit of8D   a much more recent OpenVMS VAX version -- assuming the unnamed VAXD   system in use here can boot from CD media and is licensed for moreC   current releases -- and boot from and then decompress the zip kito      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comn   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2002 12:08:34 -0600n- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e1 Subject: Re: [OT] FORTRAN-based accounting systemo3 Message-ID: <aJiJua+bvwb9@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  i In article <20021127185322.A31147@eisenschmidt.org>, John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> writes:yF > May or may not be/have been on VMS, but are any of you familiar with* > an accounting system written in FORTRAN?  @    My second VAX had a program written in FORTRAN which read and$    reported the VMS accounting file.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.667 ************************or PCs, whil@wʪ    Awʪ    Bwʪ    Cwʪ    Dwʪ    Ewʪ    Fwʪ    Gwʪ    Hwʪ    Iwʪ    Jwʪ    Kwʪ    Lwʪ    Mwʪ    Nwʪ    Owʪ    Pwʪ    Qwʪ    Rwʪ    Swʪ    Twʪ    Uwʪ    Vwʪ    Wwʪ    Xwʪ    Ywʪ    Zwʪ    [wʪ    \wʪ    ]wʪ    ^wʪ    _wʪ    `wʪ    awʪ    bwʪ    cwʪ    dwʪ    ewʪ    fwʪ    gwʪ    hwʪ    iwʪ    jwʪ    kwʪ    lwʪ    mwʪ    nwʪ    owʪ    pwʪ    qwʪ    rwʪ    swʪ    twʪ    uwʪ    vwʪ    wwʪ    xwʪ    ywʪ    zwʪ    {wʪ    |wʪ    }wʪ    ~wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    wʪ    