1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 05 Dec 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 671       Contents:, Re: An interview with AMD CEO Hector de Ruiz, Re: An interview with AMD CEO Hector de Ruiz3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper  Re: DECtalk error codes  Re: DECtalk error codes  Re: DIRECTORY: bug or feature? Re: DIRECTORY: bug or feature? Re: DIRECTORY: bug or feature?! Re: Good Job in Good Environment!  Re: Help on VAX/VMS 5.5 6 RE: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations6 RE: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations6 Re: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations2 Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations6 Re: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations6 RE: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations6 Re: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations& Re: Killed my Vaxstation 3100! Boo Hoo& Re: Killed my Vaxstation 3100! Boo Hoo& Re: Killed my Vaxstation 3100! Boo Hoo Re: MVII Diag Maint TK50- Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-6 > Re: New Exciting OpenVMS Contract Development Positions - 2003P Re: number of fiber connections from alpha to switch and from switch to symmetriP Re: number of fiber connections from alpha to switch and from switch to symmetri: Re: overlapping wildcards (was DIRECTORY: bug or feature?) Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-12 Re: Performance of atomic instructions and locking Quert wrt F$SEARCH() Re: Quert wrt F$SEARCH() Re: Quert wrt F$SEARCH()7 Report from the 1st OpenVMS Technical Symposium: Part 1  Re: SoftPC on VMS  Sysgen parameter VMS8 Odd Value " Re: totally OT: terminal emulators" Re: totally OT: terminal emulators" Re: totally OT: terminal emulators  Re: Webserver advice for VAX/VMS  Re: Webserver advice for VAX/VMS Re: what does this command mean  RE: what does this command mean  RE: what does this command mean  Re: what does this command mean  RE: what does this command mean  Re: what does this command mean  Re: what does this command mean  Re: what does this command mean / Re: what does this command mean (TYPE/PAGE NL:) / Re: what does this command mean (TYPE/PAGE NL:) / Re: what does this command mean (TYPE/PAGE NL:) / RE: what does this command mean (TYPE/PAGE NL:) 6 Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive access6 Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive access6 Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive access6 Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive access6 Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive access6 Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive access6 Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive access  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:47:10 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>5 Subject: Re: An interview with AMD CEO Hector de Ruiz 2 Message-ID: <FAednYUtZv5oDnOgXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE news:NxqH9.265523$MGm1.223150@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... 4 > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,740709,00.asp  J Thanks - an interesting read.  In some ways, AMD's stated approach (figureK out what customers want, and give it to them) reminds me of what used to be D DEC's during its heyday, though I have no idea whether AMD's overall/ corporate culture is similar to what DEC's was.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:51:58 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>5 Subject: Re: An interview with AMD CEO Hector de Ruiz / Message-ID: <3DEEB132.41E16037@vl.videotron.ca>    Bill Todd wrote:L > Thanks - an interesting read.  In some ways, AMD's stated approach (figureM > out what customers want, and give it to them) reminds me of what used to be F > DEC's during its heyday, though I have no idea whether AMD's overall1 > corporate culture is similar to what DEC's was.   J What I found interesting is that AMD is fully aware that wintel makers areK scared of Intel and will do anything to please intel even if in the end, it M ends up hurting their own business more than whatever break Intel gives them.   K What I also found interesting is that AMD claims that the industry spend 10 5 billion too much just to get the "intel inside" logo.   K It was also interesting that HP was mentioned. You'd think that HP would be T the last to jump on the AMD bandwago since they are so loyal (read: slave) to Intel.  A It isn't going to be easy to break Intel's stranglehold on wintel N manufacturers, especially when you consider all the advertising subsidies thatN intel provides to wintel makers just for including the annoying "intel inside"
 logo/tune.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:04:56 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper$ Message-ID: <3dee51ea$1@news.si.com>  = >VMS executables for Vax and Alpha are available from my page  http://gailly.net/security/   L Could you make a self-contained VMS distribution so that one doesn't have toG load all those other tools (make, patch, etc.) before getting something C useful?  I'd love to be able to try this tool, but I don't have the  infrastructure needed. --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:20:21 -0500 # From: Anamika <hemanir@netzero.com> < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper5 Message-ID: <FcvH9.20071$H67.90830@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   F Like the site. Have any passwords been actually cracked successfully ?   -A   John Santos wrote:' > On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 hammond@not wrote:  >  > 8 >>In article <asgdoa$qop3a$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, , >>bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>.. >> >>>>Charlie Hammond wrote: >>>>2 >>>>Prediction: Passwords are a thing of the past;6 >>>>it'll all be biometrics soon anyway. Fingerprints,7 >>>>iris scans, voiceprints, signature, finger lengths, 4 >>>>I don't know which will win, but it will be some >>>>sort of biometrics.  >> >>.. >>	 >>Nope.    >>Incorrect attribution.; >>I did NOT write this, nor did I express an opinion on it.  >  > = > Actually, according to Bill's post, Atlant wrote it (and in = > a subsequent follow up, Atlant responds, snipping the bogus : > ">> Charlie Hammond wrote:" line but not challenging the > attribution...)  > ; > Charlie:  Since the "Charlie Hammond wrote:" line and the 9 > following text has the same number of >'s, all of it is : > quoted from the next level out, which was Atlant's post. > 9 > Bill:  When you snip a post back to some relevant point 9 > (a Good Thing, IMHO), and you remove everything someone 6 > said, you should also remove the attribution line to > avoid this type of confusion.  > < > The only reason I bring this up is I've noticed it several= > times recently on c.o.v, and sometimes it results in rants, < > name calling, fights, etc.  I think we have enough of that$ > when there is a real disagreement. > 6 > P.S. This thread is making me re-think some security8 > issues, which is a good thing, even if I decide we are< > already doing it right for the most part.  There is always > room for improvement.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:20:12 -0500  From: RCS / RI <rcs@osfn.org>   Subject: Re: DECtalk error codes( Message-ID: <3DEE7F9C.26CA4B48@osfn.org>  E I am using a VT241 connected to the DTC01 with a BC22D cable. I tried D both the host and terminal ports at every speed (with 8N1, then 7E1,E etc.) pressing the BREAK key, but no characters echo on the terminal. B With the terminal set to EIA Port, Modem Control and cabled to theH DECtalk host port the power-up LEDs show 11010110 and the terminal shows Modem: DSR.   3 I downloaded the two freeware packages and read the  dectalk_ownersman.fil   C The manual says that the DECtalk should say "DECtalk version xxx is C running"  But I only hear the series of touch-tones.  (If anyone is G really interested the sounds are at http://starfish.osfn.org/rcs/audio/ B in the files DECtalk_dialing.*)  It also mentions that 9600 is theC factory-set default and that the BREAK key should toggle into SETUP  mode.   G Does the DECtalk have NVRAM for power-on settings?  Is there any way to * clear those setting to "factory defaults?"   -mikeu   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > J > In article <3DCBFDFC.6A6B31E7@osfn.org>, RCS / RI <rcs@osfn.org> writes: > : F > :I have a DECtalk (DTC01) that does not appear to work.  At power onD > :there are a series of touch tones, and then the red LED's displayA > :11010010  Any hints about what this indicates would be greatly  > :appreciated.  > G >   Assuming that LED code was not flashing and assuming that the modem F >   support is disabled via SET HOST MODEM OFF, the widget looks OK --E >   the DECtalk DTC01 is ready to or is moving data around, according H >   to the DTC01 listings I've seen.  Based on the LED display, the hostH >   is not asserting some typical EIA232 signals (CTS (LED0), DSR (LED2)I >   and DCD (LED3), in particular) -- I'd thus check the host-side serial ( >   wiring and the host-side operations. > G >   DECtalk is quite similar to a serial printer, in how it is accessed J >   and how it is wired -- the DTC01 was typically attached to a terminal,E >   then to the host system.  Having it connected to the terminal was + >   handy for setup and configuration, too.  > : >   IIRC, the signaling was usually set for 1200 baud 8N1. > C >   Here is a pinout for EIA232 DB25 connections commonly used with  >   the DECtalk DTC01: > D >   There are various DECtalk examples and documentation and such atC >   the OpenVMS Freeware website, check both the Freeware V4 and V5 < >   distribution directories for their (differing) contents: > @ >     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/dectalk/@ >     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/dectalk/   --  H The Retro-Computing Society of RI, Inc.                   (401) 861-1977H 25 Eagle St Bldg 5 Ste 206                      http://www.osfn.org/rcs/H Providence RI 02908                       telnet://kronos.egr-ri.ids.net   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:23:19 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>  Subject: Re: DECtalk error codes4 Message-ID: <1021204182048.400A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  # On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, RCS / RI wrote:    > G > I am using a VT241 connected to the DTC01 with a BC22D cable. I tried F > both the host and terminal ports at every speed (with 8N1, then 7E1,G > etc.) pressing the BREAK key, but no characters echo on the terminal. D > With the terminal set to EIA Port, Modem Control and cabled to theJ > DECtalk host port the power-up LEDs show 11010110 and the terminal shows
 > Modem: DSR.   F BC22D is a null-modem cable.  I'm not certain, but I think the DECTalkH is DCE (like a modem), so you may need a straight RS232 extension cable.   HTH.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 13:30:41 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)' Subject: Re: DIRECTORY: bug or feature? = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0212041330.3b097aa2@posting.google.com>   | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KPN1S96LBAA24IEW@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>... > $ dir *a*,*b*  > ! > Directory DISK:[HELBIG.SCRATCH]  >  > AB.TXT;1            AB.TXT;1 >  > Total of 2 files.  > H > Naively, I would have thought that the file would NOT be listed twice.H > In this case, not a problem, but when producing a large list of files H > for further processing via overlapping wildcards, this can be a pain: ; > one has to produce a list then get rid of the duplicates.  >  > Bug or feature?  > . > By the way, BACKUP seems to do this as well.     Feature.  D That's the way VMS processes file-spec lists. It processes all filesE that match the first element in the list, then it processes all files  match the second element, etc.  @ This is especially interesting with commands like the following:  ! $ DELETE JUNK.DAT;, ;-1, ;-2, ;-3   B This will actually delete every other version of the file. This isF because when it's done deleting the first one, ;-1 is becomes what wasE ;-2, and so on. (Example based on VAX/VMS v6.2 behaviour, but I doubt & it's any different on other versions.)     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:45:27 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>' Subject: Re: DIRECTORY: bug or feature? , Message-ID: <3DEEBDC7.3010107@tsoft-inc.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:    >>What would you expect for  >> >>$ dir *A*,*A*  >> > + > Naively, just to list the file once.  :-)  >   S No.  You asked for it twice.  If you didn't get it twice, then THAT would be a bug.    Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 23:34 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ' Subject: Re: DIRECTORY: bug or feature? , Message-ID: <4DEC200223345245@gerg.tamu.edu>  y In article <01KPN1S96LBAA24IEW@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes...  }$ dir *a*,*b* }   }Directory DISK:[HELBIG.SCRATCH] }  }AB.TXT;1            AB.TXT;1  }  }Total of 2 files. } G }Naively, I would have thought that the file would NOT be listed twice. G }In this case, not a problem, but when producing a large list of files  G }for further processing via overlapping wildcards, this can be a pain:  : }one has to produce a list then get rid of the duplicates. }  }Bug or feature? } - }By the way, BACKUP seems to do this as well.   E It's the way it's suppsoed to work. Each wildcarded filespec is fully - listed before the next one is even looked at.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:38:42 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> * Subject: Re: Good Job in Good Environment!' Message-ID: <3DEEAE22.1EE89867@fsi.net>    Jason O'Donnell wrote: >  > All, > H > H&R Block has an OVMS Admin position available in Columbus, Ohio.  See: > our website or Monster.  They are finally taking away my$ > responsibility as backup sysadmin. > 2 > It is a great environment here!  Great benefits!  5 Any ballpark on what the job pays? Is relo available?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:08:56 -06002 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>  Subject: Re: Help on VAX/VMS 5.5/ Message-ID: <uutdalfd2n5011@corp.supernews.com>    Rohit,  L Ditto to what Hans said, the online help is QUITE good as it mirrors exactlyF (as far as I know) the actual commands that will be accepted and theirI syntax. If you use the online version 7.x documentation as a tutorial and K check the syntax with the online help on the actual VMS 5.5 system you will  be OK.  K Don't let the VMS vs. OpenVMS name throw you - OpenVMS and VMS are the same L thing and only reflect the fact that the product was enhanced to run on moreH than one platform (VAX and Alpha). There ARE command differences betweenJ OpenVMS on VAX and Alpha, but the manuals spell them out, Alpha only (like4 Java), VMS only (like Standalone Backup), and so on.  J As I remember, you will not have things line $copy/ftp and like Hans said, the $PIPE command.  G There is a freeware tool called VERB that can be downloaded and used to K "dump" DCLTABLES and show all commands and their syntax to a file. It is in E a structured form described in the OpenVMS Command Definition Utility  documentation (at > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/6100/6100PRO.HTML ).  E You may also like one of the books about DCL and OpenVMS shown at the L Hobbyist site at http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/librarian.html . There are2 more titles available at the Digital Press site at" http://www.bh.com/compaqbookstore/    
 Good luck, Stuart Johnson ssj152 AT charter DOT net     - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message / news:asl4fq$s8u80$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de...  > G > "Rohit Prasad" <rohit.prasad@tatainfotech-ncc.com> schreef in bericht H > news:KOEFJLDGINJGFMANNGEACEBFCBAA.rohit.prasad@tatainfotech-ncc.com...H > > Can somebody please let me know where I can find tutorial/manual for	 > VAX/VMS L > > 5.5. I saw some documents at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/ but they > are  > > all for VMS 7.x. > >  > > Please help. > > H > The on-line HELP of VMS is quite good. I find it a lot more accessible thanG > the man pages found on unix systems. But.. I've been using VMS for 20  years $ > and my opinion is somewhat biased.H > A lot of what you see in the V7 doc kit will also work on V5.5. Things haveJ > changed, e.g. the DCL pipe command was not there in V5.5, but not to the2 > extent that a V7 manual is absolutely worthless. >  > Hans >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:58:22 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>? Subject: RE: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations 0 Message-ID: <01C29B84.1FC72B50@sulfer.icius.com>  D Yes, and from Rob's mail I'd say more than the one other I knew. "ToA take a gander" is to have a look at something, where I come from.    Shane    -----Original Message-----( From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com]* Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 7:57 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ? Subject: RE: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations     9 No offence intended, but am curious if there is a meaning ! for gander other than male goose?    >-----Original Message----- 3 >From: Rob Young [mailto:young_r@encompasserve.org] + >Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:50 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com@ >Subject: RE: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations >  >  >In article D ><2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D528A4A2@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>: >, "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> writes: >>> D >>> 	Not really.  Many ISPs provide secure SMTP/POP access.  All the0 >>> 	firewall sees is encrypted bytes flying by. >>  & >> then there is blocking site access. >>   > < >	But think about the management involved.  And if you have E >	company-wide Internet access, are you suggesting most Fortune 500s  F >	have access blocked to yahoo.com and aol.com?  I'm sure there are a F >	percentage that do, but I'd gander it is a small minority that have ; >	Internet access and access is blocked to Yahoo, AOL, etc.  >  >				Rob >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 12:24:15 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ? Subject: RE: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations 3 Message-ID: <U0QmAZR2KA6K@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <iXEc+Mze+R5k@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > J > Sure.  It's easy to create an access list.  But what rules are you goingJ > to put in that access list?  The art form is in deciding what to permit,? > what to restrict and figuring out how to tell the difference.  > H > Rob points out that telling the difference between http and secure POPF > running on port 80 is difficult to do with a router access list.  SoC > you are forced to block essentially all forms of outbound access.  >    	[snip]   B 	Thanks.  This is a better explanation of what I was trying to get4 	at.  From someone that obviously knows the details.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:05:44 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>? Subject: Re: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations / Message-ID: <3DEE600D.AFB13D72@vl.videotron.ca>   6 re: using routers to block access to outside services.  K Out of curiosity, do commercial routers allow you to build filters based on A host names (or even domain names) or do they expect IP adresses ?   N If they are built on host names, at what point is the host name resolved to an5 IP address ? When you build the filter ? Once a day ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 02:40:04 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>; Subject: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations . Message-ID: <3DEDB154.507D7D0@vl.videotron.ca>  I There was a news story tonight about some newyork banks not having proper L auditing of emails, stating that companies are supposed to keep emails for 3 years and not delete them.  J How would companies implement such auditing ? Would they capture copies ofL emails at the server level before they are delivered to the user's mailbox ?? Or would they mandate that users not be able to delete emails ?   K Wouldn't such policies push some employees to get some yahoo mailboxes that K are outside of their employer to send stock advise etc without their emails  beiong audited ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:45:13 -0800, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>? Subject: Re: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations 4 Message-ID: <aslt1a$sk11m$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  G Well I can vouch for one company that is blocking pop and imap outgoing  ports # and also yahoo etc. web mail sites.    Jim   8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:nTvx9lDj3xRO@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > In articleD <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D528A4A2@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>,7 "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> writes:  > >>D > >> Not really.  Many ISPs provide secure SMTP/POP access.  All the0 > >> firewall sees is encrypted bytes flying by. > > ' > > then there is blocking site access.  > >  > ; > But think about the management involved.  And if you have D > company-wide Internet access, are you suggesting most Fortune 500sE > have access blocked to yahoo.com and aol.com?  I'm sure there are a E > percentage that do, but I'd gander it is a small minority that have ; > Internet access and access is blocked to Yahoo, AOL, etc.  >  > Rob  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:43:48 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>? Subject: RE: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations 0 Message-ID: <01C29B9B.330B9B30@sulfer.icius.com>  E I know of several, including some that do it by not allowing internet E access of any kind without a signed note from God's grandfather. I am + /very/ glad I'm not working at one of them.    Shane    -----Original Message-----1 From: James Gessling [mailto:jgessling@yahoo.com] * Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:45 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ? Subject: Re: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations     G Well I can vouch for one company that is blocking pop and imap outgoing  ports # and also yahoo etc. web mail sites.    Jim   8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:nTvx9lDj3xRO@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > In articleD <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D528A4A2@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>,7 "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> writes:  > >>D > >> Not really.  Many ISPs provide secure SMTP/POP access.  All the0 > >> firewall sees is encrypted bytes flying by. > > ' > > then there is blocking site access.  > >  > ; > But think about the management involved.  And if you have D > company-wide Internet access, are you suggesting most Fortune 500sE > have access blocked to yahoo.com and aol.com?  I'm sure there are a E > percentage that do, but I'd gander it is a small minority that have ; > Internet access and access is blocked to Yahoo, AOL, etc.  >  > Rob  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:33:13 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> ? Subject: Re: Keeping of emails to abide by auditing regulations 2 Message-ID: <3DEE9E3F.7C0BC1A5@firstdbasource.com>   Rob Young wrote: >  > In article <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D528A4A1@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>, "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> writes: A > >>>JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message , > > news:3DEDB154.507D7D0@vl.videotron.ca...L > >>> Wouldn't such policies push some employees to get some yahoo mailboxes > > thatJ > >>> are outside of their employer to send stock advise etc without their
 > > emails > >>> beiong audited ?"  > > H > > not if they either block access to such sites, or track activity via > > firewall logs. > >  > I >         Not really.  Many ISPs provide secure SMTP/POP access.  All the 5 >         firewall sees is encrypted bytes flying by.  > % >                                 Rob   B I believe he was referring to the companies, not an ISP.  And manyH companies do "search" emails, http, and even "chat" sessions looking forH specific data patterns.  I know of some who have been fired because theyC used a hotmail-type account and sent non-favorable emails to others H concerning their job and the company.  They were fired for "unauthorized use of company resources."   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163 7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:50:11 -0500! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> / Subject: Re: Killed my Vaxstation 3100! Boo Hoo K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BAA@rlghncst964.usps.gov>    Rusel:  /    Do you have one MicroVAX and one VAXstation? $    They're *very* different animals.   You're raising two questions:    1.  the system password issue:  0    You need to go back to the FAQ and follow the    instructions more precisely.   3    You're not doing everything you need to be doing +    in order to *reset* the system password.   -    (There's more than one way to skin a cat.)    2.  getting unclustered:  .    Backing out of a cluster config is possible3    but it's not a task which I would advise someone #    who is inexperienced to attempt.   5    It's generally a good idea to back up your system  8    disk (and a standalone backup is best) before making 0    serious changes to your system configuration.  9    If you're doing this as a hobbyist, I'm fairly certain :    (virtually positive) that a cluster licenses is one of 0    the layered product licenses that get issued.  4    See http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist for details.  2    Link to VAXstation 3100 Model 76 Owner's Guide:  8    http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/intro/DOC-i.html      HTH  	    WWWebb     ' Hi, I need some help as a newbee here!   (Obvious really!)   7 I have two MV3100's, one of which is a Vaxstation 3100   (With a huge 21" monitor).  9 I tried to run cluster_config and completed this only to  9 learn that it requires further licenses. I've backed the  6 ordinary 3100 back with advice I've read here but the $ VAXStation I'm having problems with!  > I've done the boot/r5:1 and set uafalternate to 1 and then setD window_system to 0 but the system still tries to validate the system user password   8 (I suspect this is part of the cluster security but this is only a guess!).    3 The machine is running OpenVMS 7.2. Anyone have any  ideas?     Many thanks! Rusel.    ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:20:15 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> / Subject: Re: Killed my Vaxstation 3100! Boo Hoo % Message-ID: <3DEE637F.80908@MMaz.com>    Rusel Broadway wrote:   D >Hi, I need some help as a newbee here! (Obvious really!) I have twoG >MV3100's, one of which is a Vaxstation 3100 (With a huge 21" monitor). G >I tried to run cluster_config and completed this only to learn that it  >requires further licenses.  > D If these are hobbyist, then that shouldn't be an issue as I believe ' there is a cluster license available...   ( >I've backed the ordinary 3100 back withC >advice I've read here but the VAXStation I'm having problems with! ? >I've done the boot/r5:1 and set uafalternate to 1 and then set E >window_system to 0 but the system still tries to validate the system G >user password (I suspect this is part of the cluster security but this G >is only a guess!). The machine is running OpenVMS 7.2. Anyone have any  >ideas? Many thanks! Rusel.  > I If you want to boot without cluster support do a conversational boot and  ( set the SYSGEN parameter VAXCLUSTER to 0  H What you are not clear on, is if you have the VS booting in a satellite I configuration which if that is the case, you'll simply have to reinstall   VMS from scratch...   C If that you are really having problems with is nothing more than a  H SYSTEM password problem on the VS, check the FAQ's as they discuss this  at length...   Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:45:31 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> / Subject: Re: Killed my Vaxstation 3100! Boo Hoo ' Message-ID: <3DEEAFBB.C2563685@fsi.net>    "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: >  > Rusel Broadway wrote:  > F > >Hi, I need some help as a newbee here! (Obvious really!) I have twoI > >MV3100's, one of which is a Vaxstation 3100 (With a huge 21" monitor). I > >I tried to run cluster_config and completed this only to learn that it  > >requires further licenses.  > > E > If these are hobbyist, then that shouldn't be an issue as I believe ) > there is a cluster license available...  > * > >I've backed the ordinary 3100 back withE > >advice I've read here but the VAXStation I'm having problems with! A > >I've done the boot/r5:1 and set uafalternate to 1 and then set G > >window_system to 0 but the system still tries to validate the system I > >user password (I suspect this is part of the cluster security but this I > >is only a guess!). The machine is running OpenVMS 7.2. Anyone have any  > >ideas? Many thanks! Rusel.  > > J > If you want to boot without cluster support do a conversational boot and* > set the SYSGEN parameter VAXCLUSTER to 0   That will look like this:    >>> B/1     or   
 >>> B/R5:1     SYSBOOT>  SET VAXCLUSTER 0   SYSBOOT>  CONTINUE  H ...at which time things should boot up more or less normally, as before.  C Post again when you get that far and someone can help you "undo the  damage" done by CLUSTER_CONFIG.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 22:15:12 GMT 3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) ! Subject: Re: MVII Diag Maint TK50 0 Message-ID: <aslupg$3i1$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  b In article <3DEE49F5.82DB8892@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >Christoph Gartmann wrote:Q >> The latter one I have already. And for the first one, I got the possibility to R >> download a kit to produce a new tape. So thank you to all who responded. And of) >> course I don't know anybody of you ;-)  > N >Would Digital/HP object to the all mighty Microvax II diagnostics tape be put >on the freeware tape?   > M >Seems to me that a whole bunch of people have inherited these beasts without O >the diag tape, and it would ne nice to be able to get it when needed. It isn't I >as if the VMS engineers (actually, it seesm to be written in VAXELN) are M >continuing development of that software or that making it publicly available  >would cut revenu potential... > M >It is 18 files, and when zipped, it comes to about 669 blocks. (ok, 19 files N >because you need one file to describe the order in which the files need to be >written to tape).  L It seems to me as if there are at least 22 files on the tape. My drive brokeM when I tried to make a copy of the tape. I used VMSTPCE to create a containerdM file of the tape contents on disk. This container file contains 22 files, thewO last one is incomplete because the drive just stopped working then. Thus, there  might be some more files.e   Regards,    Christoph GartmannR  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:33:35 GMTg. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)6 Subject: Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-64 Message-ID: <z9xH9.291516$up.2966904@news.chello.at>  c In article <qTFBfksCrsxQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:n[ >In article <as5s6v$olghe$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:e >u, >   Not sure who contributed this reference: >dO >> http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/ns_navigator_303goldj_dowe >> nload_page.html  = That was me. But as I wrote "it used to be". It is no longer.g  / >   Later systems willfind a simpler reference:eI >   sys$system:netscape-export.exe (shipped and IIRC installed with VMS).r  5 Not on my systems. Can you please be more specific...   M >> OK, I installed 3.03 but that version also shows the same behaviour as itsaM >> predecessor. The application starts fine, it shows the widget where you'veiG >> got to accept the license terms. Once I click accept the applicationaM >> freezes. ANALYZE/SYSTEM does not show anything alarming, the process stateE
 >> is LEF.? >> So the question remains: is this a Motif 1.2-6 problem then?e >hE >   Typically these problems do not show up using Mozilla on the samec3 >   system, so I think they're Netscape 3.x issues.a  F As we already read, it was a resource problem. So stating that MOZILLAI has fewer problems is not very serious because MOZILLA is such a resourcer? hog that it is running on far fewer systems than NETSCAPE V3...e   -- a Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialists E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 03:13:43 GMTC# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>tG Subject: Re: New Exciting OpenVMS Contract Development Positions - 2003-G Message-ID: <HvzH9.12305$Q71.1423@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>l  : "Jason O'Donnell" <jodonnell@hrblock.com> wrote in message7 news:9059bf6b.0212040440.7c3b20d2@posting.google.com...cB > oliver.becker@alba-software.com (Oliver becker) wrote in message9 news:<e8a0f3ac.0212030813.4e37d796@posting.google.com>....E > > Alba Software have some new exciting OpenVMS contract development I > > positions starting Q1 2003, predominantly based in continental Europes- > > - Brussels, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Munich.  > >uC > > We are interested in contractors with the the following skills;D > >e' > > Analyst Programmers/Developers witht > >s > > OpenVMSi > > SQL-
 > > C /C++ > > DCL- > > Oracle Rdb - optional0 > >:F > > As these are contract positions we can only submit candidates with > > current EU work permits. > >o) > > For more information, please contact;v > >e > > Oliver BeckerT > > Alba Softwares# > > oliver.becker@alba-software.com, > > (UK) +44 (0)20 7643 2211 > / > So what does it take to get a EU work permit?i  L If you are 2 generations or less removed from the UK, you may be able to getJ residency/citizenship via a paternal linkage (I think). Thereafter work in9 the EU is not a problem. I stand to be corrected on this.e   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 13:23:37 -0800e1 From: charles.durfee@bassett.org (charlie durfee)iY Subject: Re: number of fiber connections from alpha to switch and from switch to symmetriM= Message-ID: <358dbcab.0212041323.3db1436c@posting.google.com>g   Thanks for the confirmation!F We'll continue cables from each server to both switches, and from each  switch to the Symmetrix cabinet.              S 1              W ___          I         ______n A1 |-------- T        |      | ___|\   ____ C -------|  S   |      \ /     H        |  Y   |       \               |  M   | ___  / \____ S 2      |  M   | A2 |/        W -------|      | ___|-------- I        |______|              T              C                H      } Jesper Monsted <newsspam@rootweiler.dk.invalid> wrote in message news:<Xns92DA1A19813B5newsspamrootweilerdk@62.243.74.163>...d7 > charles.durfee@bassett.org (charlie durfee) wrote in o7 > news:358dbcab.0212031424.48bacf64@posting.google.com:o > H > > I'm looking for advice on connection to and from fibre switches.  WeJ > > have two fiber ports on each of our two ES40 Alphas - 4 in all - goingG > > to two switches.  We have the same number of connections coming off I > > the swithes to an EMC Symmetrix cabinet.  We've used up all our fiberiF > > ports on the Symm. and want to attach more servers (not VMS)to theE > > symm.  We're considering pulling two connections off the symm andAJ > > think we'll still have enough redundancy - 4 from alphas to the switch > > and 2 from switch to symm.G > > Each VMS device should still have four I/O paths, determined by the-F > > endpoints, just a little less cable between, at least for the timeD > > being, until more money is available for more fiber ports.  Does= > > anyone have a similar setup?  Does anyone have "gotchas"?n > M > As long as each alpha has two paths, one to each controller/cluster of the ?  > symmetrix, you should be fine.   ------------------------------   Date: 05 Dec 2002 01:02:54 GMT5 From: Jesper Monsted <newsspam@rootweiler.dk.invalid>(Y Subject: Re: number of fiber connections from alpha to switch and from switch to symmetrio@ Message-ID: <Xns92DB150EBC8B8newsspamrootweilerdk@62.243.74.163>  4 charles.durfee@bassett.org (charlie durfee) wrote in6 news:358dbcab.0212041323.3db1436c@posting.google.com:    > Thanks for the confirmation!H > We'll continue cables from each server to both switches, and from each" > switch to the Symmetrix cabinet. >              S 1 >              W > ___          I         ______o  > A1 |-------- T        |      |  > ___|\   ____ C -------|  S   |  >      \ /     H        |  Y   |  >       \               |  M   |  > ___  / \____ S 2      |  M   |  > A2 |/        W -------|      |  > ___|-------- I        |______| >              T >              C   >              H f  G That the way to do it. You could consider interlinking the switches to pK safeguard against A1's link to switch1 and switch2's link to the symmetrix e going down simultaneously...   -- d /Jesper Monsteda! Storage Administrator, Tapemonkeyp TDC Internet, Denmark    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:14:22 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)C Subject: Re: overlapping wildcards (was DIRECTORY: bug or feature?)e. Message-ID: <aslr7e$k0o$3@newslocal.mitre.org>   Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes in article <01KPN4PNTZL4A24IEW@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> dated Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:28:20 +0100 (MET):K >> > Naively, I would have thought that the file would NOT be listed twice.  >> 1O >> Obviously, it's the parsing that is naive.  If you give it a list, it simply K >> runs through it sequentially.  Without even checking, I'm sure that thish( >> behavoir matches DEC's documentation. >e@ >> Here's a way around the problem using a version number trick. >> s? >>     $ purge		! if you think you might have multiple versionsh >>     $ rename *.* ;1 >> , >>     $ rename *a*.*,*b*.* ;99  >>     $ dir ;99 >> o" >> Or the copy-to-version-1 trick: >> l& >>     $ copy *a*.*,*b*.* [.temp]*.*;1 >> fI >> Which fails the second time around for the overlapping set, giving theh >> result you want.  > < >OK, nice trick, but if the files are several GB in size....  7 Then you'd want to use the first trick, not the second.n  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 DEC 2002 21:17:04 GMTE4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)' Subject: Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1 5 Message-ID: <4DEC02.21170412@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>H  C In a previous article, seanobanion@attbi.com (Sean O'Banion) wrote:   7 ->We are seeing CA Watchdog go into a loop under 7.3-1.hE ->CA and HP are looking at PTHREADS and ADA RTL as possible culprits.h -> s@ ->Do you (or anyone) recall if ADA was used in this file server?   Not likely:s  " $ anal/ima sys$system:msaf$server  ..!  Image Identification Informationf  )                 image name: "MSAF$SERVER"p7                 image file identification: "MSAF V1.3A"O3                 image file build identification: ""d7                 link date/time: 28-JAN-1997 11:26:24.55e/                 linker identification: "A11-39"t7 ..                                                     L         Shareable Image List  '                 0)  "ATK$APPLETALK_RTL"s!                 1)  "CMA$TIS_SHR"e                 2)  "CONVSHR"s                 3)  "DECC$SHR"                 4)  "LIBRTL"                 5)  "LIBOTS"                  6)  "SECURESHRP"                 7)  "SECURESHR"s(                 8)  "SYS$PUBLIC_VECTORS"   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 6 --               karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 23:05:51 +0100:9 From: Per =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schr=F6der?= <pesc@bredband.net>i; Subject: Re: Performance of atomic instructions and lockingt3 Message-ID: <u5vH9.15521$%2.411@news1.bredband.com>f   Steve Bainbridge wrote:t   > Hi,  > F > I need to provide protection to a shared memory data structure. ThisD > is a large Index structure which essentially maps a text name onto? > an address in a global section using hashing. There will be a - > maximum of 1 million entries in this index.   C Maybe you are spinning to much! If you have a single spinlock with nB high contention, there is a fairly high probability that you will E take a critical lock and be preempted, forcing all other proceses to jC spin away their timeslices. I suggest you count how many times you I spin to get a feeling for it.0  G I don't understand exactly what your data structure is trying to store hD and what operations you want to support, so it is difficult to give F suggestions. (Why do you have to use hashing, for example? How do you 8 handle hash collisions? What are the real requirements?)  D Must you have a single lock? Could you have one lock per hash entry?  D When several CPUs are involved, avoid hot-spots, where several CPUs D access the same cache line. Try to allow two CPUs to do their stuff > simultaneously without having to access the same cache lines. 4 (Requires that you don't use a single lock/counter.)   Why can't you use pthreads?   ? An alternative would be to design a data structure that allows  D concurrent lock-free operations. This would eliminate all spinning, C and could allow manipulations from AST routines (do you use ASTs)? nF This is somewhat complex and requires a thorough understanding of the  problem.   Regards0
 /Per SchrderE http://developer.mimer.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:28:14 -00009 From: "covendotartdottalk21dotcom" <postmaster@127.0.0.1>a Subject: Quert wrt F$SEARCH()t3 Message-ID: <N2SdncfUCffs7nOgXTWc2Q@brightview.com>   J I have a command file which is supposed to check a directory for existence of a particular file.l  H The device on which the directory exists is only mounted to two nodes in? the 3-node cluster (including the 3rd node is not an option...)s  G Node 1/2 operate as a master/standby pair, whereby if the standby loses-. heartbeats from the master, it will take over.  F A process produces files in the common(ish) directory on the live side only.e  G The command file uses F$SEARCH() first of all on node 1, to see whether:H or not any files have been created;  if it gets "an error", then it will0 attempt to use the F$SEARCH() lexical on node 2.  G The problem is that if node 1 is down (power fail, planned maintenance,E@ &etc.) the F$SEARCH() returns a NULL string, and $STATUS doesn'tA indicate that the reason the string is NULL, is because node 1 is J unreachable, effectively indicating that the file(s) does not/don't exist.  C This in turn prevents the command file trying to F$SEARCH() node 2.r  J I'm reluctant to have to write this in C (hysterical UIC proxy permissionsE &etc.), especially as I've already implemented most of the supportinga system in C.  G We will eventually, I think, be moving away from DECnet to entirely IP,'F and I'm also reluctant to convert the DCL code to use FTP (even thoughE all of the systems currently have IP installed and routers do performa
 IP routeing).u  D Can anyone think of a possible workaround that would avoid a 3GL, orC am I stuck having to rewrite in C (as usual, not enough time in the.4 day to do this, whilst firefighting other problems)?   Mark   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 23:28:05 GMT;$ From: Rob Brown <brown@zzzzgmcl.com>! Subject: Re: Quert wrt F$SEARCH()eL Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0212041625220.10049-100000@localhost.localdomain>  5 On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, covendotartdottalk21dotcom wrote:h  I > The problem is that if node 1 is down (power fail, planned maintenance,rB > &etc.) the F$SEARCH() returns a NULL string, and $STATUS doesn'tC > indicate that the reason the string is NULL, is because node 1 is'L > unreachable, effectively indicating that the file(s) does not/don't exist.  F Before doing F$SEARCH (), do F$GETDVI to make sure the device exists,  host is available etc.     -- 0  3 Rob Brown                        brown@zzzzgmcl.com A G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free!.6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)4                                  (780)437-3367 (FAX)5                                  http://zzzzgmcl.com/e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 23:24:28 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>l! Subject: Re: Quert wrt F$SEARCH()a? Message-ID: <5a25c99f4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>w  2 In message <N2SdncfUCffs7nOgXTWc2Q@brightview.com>D           "covendotartdottalk21dotcom" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote:  L > I have a command file which is supposed to check a directory for existence > of a particular file.R > J > The device on which the directory exists is only mounted to two nodes inA > the 3-node cluster (including the 3rd node is not an option...)m > I > Node 1/2 operate as a master/standby pair, whereby if the standby losesd0 > heartbeats from the master, it will take over. > H > A process produces files in the common(ish) directory on the live side > only.M > I > The command file uses F$SEARCH() first of all on node 1, to see whether-J > or not any files have been created;  if it gets "an error", then it will2 > attempt to use the F$SEARCH() lexical on node 2.  J I'm a bit confised here. Are you saying that the command file is being run3 on node 1, or that node 1 is used in the file spec?   G I suspect you are running something on the third node, which is doing aw5 f$search("node1::file"), then f$search("node2::file")   * If this is so, then I would use a check onG f$getsyi("node1","cluster_member") first. Not true indicates node down.o  I > The problem is that if node 1 is down (power fail, planned maintenance,iB > &etc.) the F$SEARCH() returns a NULL string, and $STATUS doesn'tC > indicate that the reason the string is NULL, is because node 1 is L > unreachable, effectively indicating that the file(s) does not/don't exist. > E > This in turn prevents the command file trying to F$SEARCH() node 2.t > L > I'm reluctant to have to write this in C (hysterical UIC proxy permissionsG > &etc.), especially as I've already implemented most of the supporting" > system in C. > I > We will eventually, I think, be moving away from DECnet to entirely IP,hH > and I'm also reluctant to convert the DCL code to use FTP (even thoughG > all of the systems currently have IP installed and routers do performa > IP routeing).  > F > Can anyone think of a possible workaround that would avoid a 3GL, orE > am I stuck having to rewrite in C (as usual, not enough time in the 6 > day to do this, whilst firefighting other problems)? >  > Mark >  >    -- i
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:28:32 GMTo( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>@ Subject: Report from the 1st OpenVMS Technical Symposium: Part 1> Message-ID: <Q4xH9.50706$ID2.3965754@twister.southeast.rr.com>  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=02/12/04/2234371s     --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.org    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2002 02:48:06 GMTt2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: SoftPC on VMS+ Message-ID: <asmep60u7e@enews2.newsguy.com>r  1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:eM > Last century (back when Digital was Digital), there was a DOS/8086 emulatoriO > that ran on VMS, giving VT users a character cell interface to DOS. I believeo > it was called SoftPC.   L > Does anyone know what happened to it ? Would this still be available ? Any > hopes as a hobbyist ?e  E My guess is it's a dead product, never to see the light of day again.s  H You might want to look for something called 'bochs' though.  ISTR seeing- something about it having been ported to VMS.A   			ZaneC   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 19:23:20 -0600 2 From: newton_l@encompasserve.org (Lawrence Newton)( Subject: Sysgen parameter VMS8 Odd Value3 Message-ID: <WO+BsssQMlO8@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  F I recently added a GS80 into a cluster using cluster_config.com. EveryL thing went smoothly and the system is working good. After a week of running,L I ran autogen and looked at the sysgen parameters. I found that the reserved; parameter VMS8 was set to 271122432 which is hex 10290000. g  . Does anyone have a clue as to what this does??H I looked through all the files I thought might contain it and looked on G the web. I only found reference to VMS8 way back in VMS version 5.x ande$ of course some stuff about VMS V8.x.  J We play a shell game with our Alphas, bringing different hardware nodes upK in different roots. (Confuses operators totally) The GS80 has been switchedaL with a GS140, so the sysgen parameters are also switched.  If the GS80 needsC VMS8 set and the GS140 doesn't like it, I can't tell at this point.   H Specs:  VMS V7.3 with most of the recent patches. 5 node CI cluster with 3 GS140, 1 GS80, 1 DS20E.    Lawrence Newton:   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 11:12:17 -0800R, From: colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive)+ Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulatorsc= Message-ID: <b10654c6.0212041112.168875b7@posting.google.com>v  X tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley) wrote in message news:<usmxe4tj3.fsf@att.net>...E > >: Since I'm here, I wouldn't mind hearing someone, maybe even FdC,r2 > >: provide a tit-for-tat on Kermit versus PuTTY. >  > I use both of them.l > C > The big advantage of PuTTY is that it is simpler to fool with andeB > it supports agent proxies (so when I have to go through multiple; > ssh firewalls, I can get all the keys loaded up as I go).a > L > The big advantage of kermit (to me) is scripting and file transfer. If youL > are ssh'ed over multiple connections (or dialed up, ssh'ed, telnetted, andM > rlogined :-), kermit works to transfer files over the path you already haveeN > established. Most of the ssh based file transfer tools either only work overH > a single hop or require fantastically long commands to specify all the > multi-hop connections. > F > The one catch to this is that the kermit agent doesn't support proxyL > connections (hint, hint :-), so it is more trouble to get kermit connectedK > over those multiple hops, but once connected, you can do more (and if youuN > never logout and log back in, it isn't a big deal since you have to type all& > the keys at least once in any case).  E Your review here and FdC's review and link were both enlightening.  I0B understand Frank's comment that PuTTY does 10% of what Kermit doesB (esp. after looking over the comparision link he handed out.)  ButD that 10% is all I need.  Kermit -- pardon the comparision -- is like@ having all the features of MS Word when all I need to do is typeE memos.  (The analogy totally breaks down though in that I suspect alleE of Kermit's features actually WORK, whereas I wouldn't place a $2 betc' on any piece of Microsoft pretendware.)r  ? The point that one could learn one product (Kermit) on multiple C platforms though... that's a compeling thought.  In the DOS and VMSp> world, Kermit was what I once lived by and I do have very goodF memories of it.  Who knows, Frank, I may take Kermie for a spin again.  C And I really think Jeffery deserves a cash incentive for writing in  proxy support... 8-)   Chriss -----< Chris Oliveo Systems Development Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporation  Indianapolis, IN  . Personal email: chris at technologEase dot com  F *** You can be MOST ASSURED that my opinions DO NOT in any way reflect@ *** the opinions of my current client...  They remind me of this nearly *** every day... 8-)   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 14:54:20 -05002& From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)+ Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators 1 Message-ID: <aslmhc$dp6$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>N  = In article <b10654c6.0212041112.168875b7@posting.google.com>, - Chris Olive <colive@technologEase.com> wrote: ( :tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley)1 :wrote in message news:<usmxe4tj3.fsf@att.net>...vF : I understand Frank's comment that PuTTY does 10% of what Kermit doesD : (esp. after looking over the comparision link he handed out.)  ButF : that 10% is all I need.  Kermit -- pardon the comparision -- is likeB : having all the features of MS Word when all I need to do is typeD : memos. ... The point that one could learn one product (Kermit) on : : multiple platforms though... that's a compeling thought. :tH Exactly.  This topic comes up often enough that I have a stock response:  7   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kermit.html#complexity   I It's the old tradeoff: invest some time up front into learning something,o3 and benefit from that investment for years to come.e  E : And I really think Jeffery deserves a cash incentive for writing inO : proxy support... 8-) : F Definitely.  And a drag-and-drop GUI for FTP and Kermit file transfer,F and lots else.  But who has cash?  (That's not a rhetorical question!)   - Frankd   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:15:26 GMTb1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)h+ Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulatorsg< Message-ID: <yUwH9.108880$Kj1.4484915@twister.austin.rr.com>  - Chris Olive (colive@technologEase.com) wrote:2 : G : Your review here and FdC's review and link were both enlightening.  I D : understand Frank's comment that PuTTY does 10% of what Kermit doesD : (esp. after looking over the comparision link he handed out.)  ButF : that 10% is all I need.  Kermit -- pardon the comparision -- is likeB : having all the features of MS Word when all I need to do is typeG : memos.  (The analogy totally breaks down though in that I suspect alltG : of Kermit's features actually WORK, whereas I wouldn't place a $2 bet ) : on any piece of Microsoft pretendware.)r : E Search the archived postings of the comp.os.ms-windows.apps.word-proc   newsgroup for "master document".  B These articles are written by the former Project Manager of Excel,C Joel Spolsky, and may explain why Microsoft software is bloated andR buggy:    <    http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000020.htmlF    Joel on Software - Strategy Letter IV: Bloatware and the 80/20 Myth  <    http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html8    Joel on Software - Things You Should Never Do, Part I    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 04:03:46 -0500x0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Webserver advice for VAX/VMS / Message-ID: <3DEDC4F1.71767372@vl.videotron.ca>f   Hans Vlems wrote:c > N > With two powerful VAXstations (4000-90A) I'm considering setting one up as aJ > webserver. I've got Freeware distribution V5, which offers a few options > (like WASD IIRC).t  5 I would recommend the OSU web server.  (Decthreads).    9 http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/WWW/doc/serverinfo.html   A Building it is pretty straightforwards (dcl command procedures toeP compile/Link). And it is well integrated into vMS because it is written for VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 15:27:41 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)) Subject: Re: Webserver advice for VAX/VMS = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0212041527.71964117@posting.google.com>   _ "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message news:<askdsc$qfs54$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>...rN > With two powerful VAXstations (4000-90A) I'm considering setting one up as aJ > webserver. I've got Freeware distribution V5, which offers a few options > (like WASD IIRC).: > > > Question 1: which one is the easiest to set up and maintain? > L > Question 2: are there other (freeware) products that I should investigate? >  >  > Hans Vlems   Q1 answer: Purveyor  Q2 answer: Purveyor    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:07:58 -0500n0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: what does this command mean. Message-ID: <3DEE5287.6F03B32@vl.videotron.ca>   >> "furkling" ???!!!   >Shane Smith wrote:r >  > Rooting, rummaging, etc.    N Is this a british expression, or something you picked up because you have been in Kalifornia too long ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:08:58 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>( Subject: RE: what does this command mean0 Message-ID: <01C29B85.AF25F050@sulfer.icius.com>  F If you do a quick search for "nl:" on sys$help:helplib.hlb you'll findD there's several references to it. As someone else suggested, all youH have to do is furkle enough. ;-) Sorry I don't have time to track down aH path to one, I'm running late today thanks to a bunch of ants and a car.  Maybe later when I've caught up.   Shanee   -----Original Message-----< From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]* Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:36 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms( Subject: Re: what does this command mean    / Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message , news:<01C29AFA.C8D79BB0@sulfer.icius.com>... [...]e > NL:  > H > This is the null device, which in this particular case behaves like an
 > empty file.r > J > When you add them all up, it's blank the screen then dump nothing to it.H > I suppose you could consider it abuse of the TYPE command, but I doubtI > TYPE minds... I suggest you make liberal use of the HELP command, whichoI > you'll find extremely useful once you've got used to it. You could havedI > found all this in there. If you're just starting with VMS, try furkling 4 > through the INSTRUCTIONS and HINTS sections first. [...]a  E And just how would he have found out about NL: from the HELP command?D   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:53:04 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com( Subject: RE: what does this command mean? Message-ID: <OFA6E9766B.DF136B28-ON85256C85.006D30AE@metso.com>H  3 I always thought WOM was equivalent to Print  ;-) .   < From:  Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> on 12/04/2002 01:41 PM  0 Please respond to Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:t  + Subject:    RE: what does this command meane    G I always think of it as write-only memory. Very useful in high securityt applications...b   Shane    -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca] ) Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:08 PM/ To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como( Subject: Re: what does this command mean     Shane Smith wrote: > NL:a >tH > This is the null device, which in this particular case behaves like an
 > empty file.   G I was always told it was a big bit bucket. What puzzles me though is ifs youyE send a whole bunch of stuff to the big bit bucket, and why won't TYPEc NL:s/ bring back the stuff from that big bit bucket ?L   :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)a  D (Seriously though, such a device would have been quite interesting ,F especially prior to the appearance of the PIPE command, it would allow you toG create a bucket, send output to it, and then read from it. (think of ith as aF temporary in-memory file). That would have allowed piping capabilities thatD would have been far more efficient because the command woudl execute from the4 same process, with no subprocess creation overhead).   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 18:42:07 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)( Subject: Re: what does this command mean= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0212041842.13f6f9c8@posting.google.com>   \ Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C29B85.AF25F050@sulfer.icius.com>...H > If you do a quick search for "nl:" on sys$help:helplib.hlb you'll findF > there's several references to it. As someone else suggested, all youJ > have to do is furkle enough. ;-) Sorry I don't have time to track down aJ > path to one, I'm running late today thanks to a bunch of ants and a car." > Maybe later when I've caught up.  > Well, you better not forget /FORMAT=NONULLS!!! Even with that,E SEARCH-ing helplib.hlb won't give very readable output. You're better 9 off doing HELP/OUT=HELP.LIS *... and SEARCH-ing HELP.LIS.u  C But you said you could find it with the HELP command. I don't thinki' HELP NL: would turn up anything useful.   B If you search HELP.LIS, the only illuminating occurrence you would! find is (in VAX/VMS v6.1, anyway)r   {gF          o  If you do not want any heading, specify a null file as the,             file specification for /REQUIRE.  c)             $ RUNOFF/CONTENTS/REQUIRE=nl:r }t  F And if one really needs to spend a lot more time with the HELP command@ (as you suggested the original poster does), I doubt that such a) person would know to do all of the above.   : May I suggest to the original poster to try the following:   $ SHOW DEVICE NL:/FULL  F Disclaimer: JMHO, and I'm not going to reorder all the quoted material above and below. Alan E. Feldmany   >  > Shanei >  > -----Original Message-----> > From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com], > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:36 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi* > Subject: Re: what does this command mean >  > 1 > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message . > news:<01C29AFA.C8D79BB0@sulfer.icius.com>... > [...]i > > NL:. > > J > > This is the null device, which in this particular case behaves like an > > empty file.  > > L > > When you add them all up, it's blank the screen then dump nothing to it.J > > I suppose you could consider it abuse of the TYPE command, but I doubtK > > TYPE minds... I suggest you make liberal use of the HELP command, whichnK > > you'll find extremely useful once you've got used to it. You could haveuK > > found all this in there. If you're just starting with VMS, try furklingu6 > > through the INSTRUCTIONS and HINTS sections first. > [...]e > G > And just how would he have found out about NL: from the HELP command?  >  > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:51:11 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>( Subject: RE: what does this command mean0 Message-ID: <01C29BC6.1D4EF960@sulfer.icius.com>  E I just used search to confirm it was there. And if someone needs moree8 time with help, what better way than to set a challenge?   Shanep   -----Original Message-----< From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]* Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:42 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come( Subject: Re: what does this command mean    / Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in messageC, news:<01C29B85.AF25F050@sulfer.icius.com>...H > If you do a quick search for "nl:" on sys$help:helplib.hlb you'll findF > there's several references to it. As someone else suggested, all youJ > have to do is furkle enough. ;-) Sorry I don't have time to track down aJ > path to one, I'm running late today thanks to a bunch of ants and a car." > Maybe later when I've caught up.  > Well, you better not forget /FORMAT=NONULLS!!! Even with that,E SEARCH-ing helplib.hlb won't give very readable output. You're bettere9 off doing HELP/OUT=HELP.LIS *... and SEARCH-ing HELP.LIS.G  C But you said you could find it with the HELP command. I don't thinkg' HELP NL: would turn up anything useful.o  B If you search HELP.LIS, the only illuminating occurrence you would! find is (in VAX/VMS v6.1, anyway)s   {IF          o  If you do not want any heading, specify a null file as the,             file specification for /REQUIRE.  t)             $ RUNOFF/CONTENTS/REQUIRE=nl:m }o  F And if one really needs to spend a lot more time with the HELP command@ (as you suggested the original poster does), I doubt that such a) person would know to do all of the above.r  : May I suggest to the original poster to try the following:   $ SHOW DEVICE NL:/FULL  F Disclaimer: JMHO, and I'm not going to reorder all the quoted material above and below. Alan E. Feldmanw   >  > Shanev >  > -----Original Message-----> > From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com], > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:36 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come* > Subject: Re: what does this command mean >  > 1 > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in messagen. > news:<01C29AFA.C8D79BB0@sulfer.icius.com>... > [...]y > > NL:h > > J > > This is the null device, which in this particular case behaves like an > > empty file.  > > L > > When you add them all up, it's blank the screen then dump nothing to it.J > > I suppose you could consider it abuse of the TYPE command, but I doubtK > > TYPE minds... I suggest you make liberal use of the HELP command, whicheK > > you'll find extremely useful once you've got used to it. You could have@K > > found all this in there. If you're just starting with VMS, try furklinga6 > > through the INSTRUCTIONS and HINTS sections first. > [...]0 > G > And just how would he have found out about NL: from the HELP command?t >  > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldman-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:12:55 -0500c2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: what does this command meanL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0412022212550001@user-2ive30j.dialup.mindspring.com>  7 In article <3DEE4348.16EA922@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezeis( <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:   >Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: >> c; >> What about a small DECram device for temp file storage ?  >eO >Does DECram operate in a process environment or is that a virtual disk that is  >created at the system level ?  H DECram doesn't operate in a process environment.  Once a disk is set up,J reads and write are memory-to-memory transfers with fairly small overhead.  J DECram disks can be MSCP served and shadowed.  For a read-mostly workload,C shadowing a RAM disk and a real physical disk can be wicked fast.  i  H DECram disk can be placed in Galaxy shared memory and give direct access) to each system with access to the memory.(  ? DECram attempts to preserve the contents of disks across systemi8 crashes/reboots.  (But don't turn off the system power.)  J >Also, DECram has all the overhead of a file system. I would want a memoryI >bucket that is small and not a "file" but rather just a buffer one couldh >read/write to.-  H If you use a DECram appropriately, there's no file system overhead.  YouC can do regular disk QIOs to a DECram.  (Not that this helps the DCLt programmer much...)i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 04:55:19 -0000@! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>t( Subject: Re: what does this command mean/ Message-ID: <uutn1ns71in3de@corp.supernews.com>w  ( Valegant <cardenas0000@yahoo.com> wrote: : what does this command mean- :        TYPE/PAGE NL:J : I know what it does, it clears the screen, but i dont know what it means  > It also clears things like scrolling regions, attributes, etc.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2002 00:04 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ( Subject: Re: what does this command mean, Message-ID: <5DEC200200044709@gerg.tamu.edu>  p In article <b096a4ee.0212041842.13f6f9c8@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes...] }Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C29B85.AF25F050@sulfer.icius.com>...dI }> If you do a quick search for "nl:" on sys$help:helplib.hlb you'll findsG }> there's several references to it. As someone else suggested, all you K }> have to do is furkle enough. ;-) Sorry I don't have time to track down a K }> path to one, I'm running late today thanks to a bunch of ants and a car.w# }> Maybe later when I've caught up.o } ? }Well, you better not forget /FORMAT=NONULLS!!! Even with that,mF }SEARCH-ing helplib.hlb won't give very readable output. You're better: }off doing HELP/OUT=HELP.LIS *... and SEARCH-ing HELP.LIS. } D }But you said you could find it with the HELP command. I don't think( }HELP NL: would turn up anything useful. } C }If you search HELP.LIS, the only illuminating occurrence you wouldt" }find is (in VAX/VMS v6.1, anyway) }  }{G }         o  If you do not want any heading, specify a null file as theo- }            file specification for /REQUIRE.t } * }            $ RUNOFF/CONTENTS/REQUIRE=nl: }}  J There are also references under SET DISPLAY Examples (at least on V7.2-1).  ; Not that it actually explains what the NL: is there either.o   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 14:54:13 -0800s7 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)o8 Subject: Re: what does this command mean (TYPE/PAGE NL:)= Message-ID: <8a646952.0212041454.1afe2c36@posting.google.com>   d Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<200212040741.IAA14838@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>... > Hello, > I > in the early VMS days, I did try to write a DCL commandprocedure, thats-H > clear the screen and set the pointer to the home position. It was veryK > difficult in case of having VT05, VT52, VT100, VT102 and so on terminals. H > Every type did need an own ESC sequence to to the needs. Since the dayK > of TYPE/PAGE I could use this command to do the same, device independend.i >  > Regards R. Wingert   R. Wingert,i  F I am sorry to hear that you consider the ANSI Standard Escape SequenceE code to be difficult. I used it extensively on VT100 on up for years. = Each VT terminal card had those instructions as part of their-A documentation. From time to time I still use them. There are even0E documentated in the book on "Writing Real Programs in DCL" by Paul C.l$ Anagnostopoulos starting on page 75.   Daryl Jonese   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:13:22 -0800d( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>8 Subject: Re: what does this command mean (TYPE/PAGE NL:)- Message-ID: <3DEE9A22.81449025@NelsonUSA.com>y   Daryl Jones wrote:   > Rudolf Wingert wrote  K > > in the early VMS days, I did try to write a DCL commandprocedure, thatsiJ > > clear the screen and set the pointer to the home position. It was veryM > > difficult in case of having VT05, VT52, VT100, VT102 and so on terminals.rJ > > Every type did need an own ESC sequence to to the needs. Since the dayM > > of TYPE/PAGE I could use this command to do the same, device independend.   H > I am sorry to hear that you consider the ANSI Standard Escape SequenceG > code to be difficult. I used it extensively on VT100 on up for years.f  F The VT100 was the first DEC terminal to use the ANSI escape sequences.; The VT05 and VT52 did not, which was Rudolf's entire point.e   Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:30:09 -0600o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 8 Subject: Re: what does this command mean (TYPE/PAGE NL:)' Message-ID: <3DEEAC21.8E9AD363@fsi.net>    Daryl Jones wrote: > f > Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<200212040741.IAA14838@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>...
 > > Hello, > >0K > > in the early VMS days, I did try to write a DCL commandprocedure, thatstJ > > clear the screen and set the pointer to the home position. It was veryM > > difficult in case of having VT05, VT52, VT100, VT102 and so on terminals.pJ > > Every type did need an own ESC sequence to to the needs. Since the dayM > > of TYPE/PAGE I could use this command to do the same, device independend.t > >n > > Regards R. Wingert > 
 > R. Wingert,M > H > I am sorry to hear that you consider the ANSI Standard Escape SequenceG > code to be difficult. I used it extensively on VT100 on up for years./? > Each VT terminal card had those instructions as part of theirtC > documentation. From time to time I still use them. There are even G > documentated in the book on "Writing Real Programs in DCL" by Paul C.L& > Anagnostopoulos starting on page 75.  9 You can find goodies like that in SYS$SYSTEM:SMGTERMS.TXT"   --   David J. DachteraT dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:55:09 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 8 Subject: RE: what does this command mean (TYPE/PAGE NL:)T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660BCD@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  I > > in the early VMS days, I did try to write a DCL command procedure,=20cG > > thats clear the screen and set the pointer to the home position.=20   C Hey, under down and dirty, why not just put his in your login file:n  ! $ w80 :=3D=3D set term/width=3D80h  @ $ W80 ! whenever you want to clear the screen and return to home	 position.a   :-)i   [gotta love dcl ..]g  E By the way, for those that are interested, one of the top 10 features H being highlighted for the next W2K OS (now called .Net Server vs Windows 2003) is  .....t   An enhanced command language.    :-)u   Regardse  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant, Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesu Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)r       -----Original Message-----2 From: Alan Frisbie [mailto:Abuse@NelsonUSA.com]=20 Sent: December 4, 2002 7:13 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comx8 Subject: Re: what does this command mean (TYPE/PAGE NL:)     Daryl Jones wrote:   > Rudolf Wingert wrote  H > > in the early VMS days, I did try to write a DCL commandprocedure,=20J > > thats clear the screen and set the pointer to the home position. It=20H > > was very difficult in case of having VT05, VT52, VT100, VT102 and so  F > > on terminals. Every type did need an own ESC sequence to to the=20H > > needs. Since the day of TYPE/PAGE I could use this command to do the   > > same, device independend.r  H > I am sorry to hear that you consider the ANSI Standard Escape Sequence  G > code to be difficult. I used it extensively on VT100 on up for years.c  F The VT100 was the first DEC terminal to use the ANSI escape sequences.; The VT05 and VT52 did not, which was Rudolf's entire point.-   Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:04:21 -050020 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>? Subject: Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive accessm/ Message-ID: <3DEE51AF.DB847A05@vl.videotron.ca>c   "Doc.Cypher" wrote:iI > What incantation prevents login with a password, but permits it via SSHi. > using public-private keypair authentication?   TCPIP DISABLE SERVICE TELNET  N That will disable all inbound telnet connections. Telnet is what gives you the username/password prompts.  K With TCPIP Services, an inbound TELNET session appears as "INTERACTIVE" andiE SYS$COMMAND translates to a device that begins with "TN"  (eg: TNA5:)r  ' If you login with SSH, then you should:tJ write sys$output f$mode()     -> will give you the mode of login (network, interactive etc) show log sys$command  D With this, you could put code in the user's LOGIN.COM  or systemwide< SYLOGIN.COM to logout the user if he accesses through telnet  K $IF F$MODE() .eqs. "INTERACTIVE" and F$EXTRACT(0,2,F%TRNLNM("SYS$COMMAND"))n
 .eqs. "TN" $THENeD $	write sys$oputput "Sorry, you are not allowed to login via telnet" $	logout $ENDIF  J If SSH gives you a "NETWORK" connection, then you can use authorize to bar interactive access.o   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 19:19:10 -0000f- From: "Doc.Cypher" <doc_cypher@nym.alias.net>u? Subject: Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive access'6 Message-ID: <20021204191910.11454.qmail@nym.alias.net>  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.a8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  F On Wed, 04 Dec 2002, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: >"Doc.Cypher" wrote:J >> What incantation prevents login with a password, but permits it via SSH/ >> using public-private keypair authentication?o >z >TCPIP DISABLE SERVICE TELNETt >tO >That will disable all inbound telnet connections. Telnet is what gives you thea >username/password prompts.2  K That's useless (sorry!). I want it for the one user who has requested this,  not for everyone.d  L >With TCPIP Services, an inbound TELNET session appears as "INTERACTIVE" andF >SYS$COMMAND translates to a device that begins with "TN"  (eg: TNA5:)  : With Multinet it's NTYxxx: Access via SSH and it's FTAxxx:  ( >If you login with SSH, then you should:K >write sys$output f$mode()     -> will give you the mode of login (network,- >interactive etc)  >show log sys$commandn >zE >With this, you could put code in the user's LOGIN.COM  or systemwide = >SYLOGIN.COM to logout the user if he accesses through telnet   H By the time it says "no telnet login" they know the password and can use FTP or whatever else.m     Doc. -- -6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netc   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 13:09:45 -0600a From: briggs@encompasserve.org? Subject: Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive accesso3 Message-ID: <yBixitidJz$7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   6 How about UAF> MODIFY username /ALGORITHM=CUSTOMER=240  F Unless you've implemented customer hash algorithm 240, you should have, difficulty authenticating with any password.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 20:39:56 -000014 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>? Subject: Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive access 5 Message-ID: <20021204203956.1843.qmail@nym.alias.net>r  ; On 4 Dec 2002, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:RA >In article <20021204200132.2912.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypherv, ><Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:> >> On 4 Dec 2002, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:F >>>In article <20021204191910.11454.qmail@nym.alias.net>, "Doc.Cypher"% >>><doc_cypher@nym.alias.net> writes:t  K >>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2002, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:i >>>>>"Doc.Cypher" wrote:N >>>>>> What incantation prevents login with a password, but permits it via SSH3 >>>>>> using public-private keypair authentication?   # >	Okay.  How hacked up can this be?b > > >	Here is a hack of an idea...  SSH term type looks like this:   <snip>  H I want *no login with password*. The provided DCL is no help, because byH the time it is executed the user has successfully passed authentication.  I John Brigg's suggestion looks like it will do the job. Now, since Bill G.eH was the only person who seemed familiar with the *ix hack to achieve theE same result, perhaps he can tell me what happens on *ix regarding POPs collection of mail. Bill?p     Doc. -- f6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:32:58 -0500c0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>? Subject: Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive accessn/ Message-ID: <3DEE8299.D1D08B50@vl.videotron.ca>    Rob Young wrote:, >         $ IF USERNAME .EQS. "TARGETNAME" -3 >           .AND. (.NOT. SSH_ACCESS) THEN LOGOUTNOW   D Nop. The person needing this feature doesn't want the password to beI transmitted via telnet. Any mechanism inside SYLOGIN would imply that the L person has succesfully logged in and transmitted the password in the clear.   M However, if transmitting password in clear is the problem, you'd have to also6B disable FTP, POP , probably IMAP access as well for that one user.  E If it is really important, you could add a noce on your cluster whose H SYSUAF.DAT is separate but otherwise the node is identical. The "secure"F username would only be defined on that node and not on the rest of theM cluster. The rest of the cluster would have telnet enabled, but the node withwK the SYSUAF containing the special username would have all the neat servicest disabled with only SSH enabled.i   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2002 23:06:49 -0000u- From: "Doc.Cypher" <doc_cypher@nym.alias.net>v? Subject: Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive accesst5 Message-ID: <20021204230649.2637.qmail@nym.alias.net>a  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. 8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  F On Wed, 04 Dec 2002, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: >Rob Young wrote: - >>         $ IF USERNAME .EQS. "TARGETNAME" -a4 >>           .AND. (.NOT. SSH_ACCESS) THEN LOGOUTNOW >ME >Nop. The person needing this feature doesn't want the password to be J >transmitted via telnet. Any mechanism inside SYLOGIN would imply that theM >person has succesfully logged in and transmitted the password in the clear. u >eN >However, if transmitting password in clear is the problem, you'd have to alsoC >disable FTP, POP , probably IMAP access as well for that one user.c  H With SSH you've got some really neat tricks to get round the issues withI other protocols which require that the password travels in the clear. ForiF an example of how an end-user sets up the PuTTY client to do this see:   http://vmsbox.cjb.net/putty/  G Requires an update - you now can change an expired password with an SSH C connection. But after that you're logged out and have to reconnect.a   There's also SCP...d  J http://vmsbox.cjb.net/help/sys$common/syshlp/multinet.hlb?key=MULTINET~SCP  E Feel free to browse the rest of the help - just not everyone at once!C  F >If it is really important, you could add a noce on your cluster whoseI >SYSUAF.DAT is separate but otherwise the node is identical. The "secure"cG >username would only be defined on that node and not on the rest of thecN >cluster. The rest of the cluster would have telnet enabled, but the node withL >the SYSUAF containing the special username would have all the neat services  >disabled with only SSH enabled.  # Might as well buy 'em a tadpole. :)     @ Oh... And I also wondered (not the first to either I suppose)...  E If Multinet supports IPSec, and DECnet over IP. How big a distributedtD DECnet could you make using existing kit *and* have secured traffic?     Doc. -- e6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2002 01:40:34 GMTt, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)? Subject: Re: [Change topic] Restricting user interactive accessf5 Message-ID: <asmaqi$srs86$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>r  5 In article <20021204203956.1843.qmail@nym.alias.net>,o7 	Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:  > K > John Brigg's suggestion looks like it will do the job. Now, since Bill G.,J > was the only person who seemed familiar with the *ix hack to achieve theG > same result, perhaps he can tell me what happens on *ix regarding POPt > collection of mail. Bill?b >   B POP won't work without a valid password, but, being UNIX, you willB have the source for POP and you could easily make a version of POPB that used a different password file so that POP could be done evenB if normal logins could not.  Of course, the correct way to handle C this on any system would be to look at the whole problem and designiC a proper solution instead of trying to cobble together a collectionyB of hacks that might do the job but had undesirable or worse still, unknown, side-effects.   bill   -- OJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.671 ************************