1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 08 Dec 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 678       Contents: Re: death of alpha on slashdot4 GROW YOUR MICROVAX BY 3 MIPS WITH MIRACLE PILL ! ! !8 Re: GROW YOUR MICROVAX BY 3 MIPS WITH MIRACLE PILL ! ! !8 Re: GROW YOUR MICROVAX BY 3 MIPS WITH MIRACLE PILL ! ! ! Re: Help on VAX/VMS 5.5  Re: Help on VAX/VMS 5.5  Re: Lat vs TCP/IP A Re: Question on VMS system authentication using perl and web page A Re: Question on VMS system authentication using perl and web page B Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroupB Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroupP Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup -         No P Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup -         No P Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup -         No P Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup - No thanks! 8 Re: Subject line ! (was Re: Request for Discussion, ...)  Re: Webserver advice for VAX/VMS5 Re: what could replace VAX-driven DNC tools machines?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 02 10:34:30 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ' Subject: Re: death of alpha on slashdot ) Message-ID: <bqiHe$qmCyLW@elias.decus.ch>   ` In article <ast024$ue8qd$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:+ > In article <DkcxqyOjmTBU@elias.decus.ch>, . > 	p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: >> In article <rdeininger-0612020851290001@user-2ive145.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:@ >>> In article <c5cf6e8.0212060511.18e22344@posting.google.com>,- >>> baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) wrote:  >>> K >>>>http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/06/0326217&mode=thread&tid=173  >>> 2 >>> The level of ignorance over there is stunning. >>> 
 >> Agreed. >>  I >>> Are those the sort of folks who are being hired to program and manage L >>> today's wonderful "industry standard" and linux IT solutions?  If so, we# >>> are in a whole heap of trouble.  >>  I >> I'm afraid so. There are some excellent folks out there, when you know I >> how to find them - more often by sheer luck than good management. Many - >> I would not trust to park my car properly.  >>  C >> Too much dogma, and belief that their way is the only way, IMHO.  > F > Do you realize how silly that would sound to any non-VMS fanatic whoE > has been reading cov for any short period time??  There are as many G > people here who think we live in a "one size fits all" world as there  > are in the Linux camp. > H Eh? Forgive me if I say that that somewhat illustrates my point. It's OKF for them to slam us, call us old fashioned etc., but when we criticise, them, we get shouted down or called "silly".  I And no, it is not my intention to start a flame war, especially with you,  whom I respect.      --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 03:40:30 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>= Subject: GROW YOUR MICROVAX BY 3 MIPS WITH MIRACLE PILL ! ! ! / Message-ID: <3DF3056F.BE1F9EA3@vl.videotron.ca>    Sorry, I couldn't resist....  K Since the discussions about OT posts has actually taken more bandwidth than F the actual OT stuff, I figured I could contribute some true OT stuff !   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:50:36 +0100$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>A Subject: Re: GROW YOUR MICROVAX BY 3 MIPS WITH MIRACLE PILL ! ! ! + Message-ID: <00A18240.DDCEE97D.13@decus.de>   > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> apparently wrote:   > Sorry, I couldn't resist.... > M > Since the discussions about OT posts has actually taken more bandwidth than H > the actual OT stuff, I figured I could contribute some true OT stuff !  = Shouldn't that be "Marvel Pill" instead of "Miracle Pill" ???    Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:42:42 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> A Subject: Re: GROW YOUR MICROVAX BY 3 MIPS WITH MIRACLE PILL ! ! ! ' Message-ID: <3DF392A2.E2EAD9C5@fsi.net>    Michael Unger wrote: > @ > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> apparently wrote: >   > > Sorry, I couldn't resist.... > > O > > Since the discussions about OT posts has actually taken more bandwidth than J > > the actual OT stuff, I figured I could contribute some true OT stuff ! > ? > Shouldn't that be "Marvel Pill" instead of "Miracle Pill" ???   - I thought Marvel was Alpha's swansong...  ;-)    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:32:46 +0100" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>  Subject: Re: Help on VAX/VMS 5.55 Message-ID: <asvhm4$uirsa$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>    > J > In addition to what's already been said, if you should happen to find or beK > offered a set of "MicroVMS" manuals, give them a try. (Maybe a kind local  > reader has a spare set?).  > K > MicroVMS was a short-lived repackaging of VMS, a little earlier than V5.5 L > (V4.7??), released in an attempt to widen the perceived market for VMS; byH > that time the VMS docset was bigger than the computer, which was a bitI > silly. One of the few differences between MicroVMS and "the real thing"  was H > a completely different approach to documentation. I liked the MicroVMSL > manuals a lot; they covered commonly used stuff in task-oriented layout in a E > small number of small binders. For some things you still can't beat K > hardcopy, but I'm not aware of a modern equivalent of these docs. Nothing L > much in the docs will be obsolete, some new features will have been added,$ > but they'll be in the online HELP. > I microVMS existed only during the VMS V4.x days, say around V4.5 up to and  including V4.7. J I guess that a VMS 5.5 user is better off using a V6 or V7 manual set than withB V4.7 documentation. VMS changed a lot between V4 and V5, e.g. LMF.   Hans   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2002 06:49:10 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)   Subject: Re: Help on VAX/VMS 5.53 Message-ID: <PA1wBCWr$5kk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <asvhm4$uirsa$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:  K > microVMS existed only during the VMS V4.x days, say around V4.5 up to and  > including V4.7.   ! No, say around V4.0 through V4.7.   B The purpose was to make a subset VMS so the installation would fit" on a series of (29?) floppy disks.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 02 11:20:25 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: Lat vs TCP/IP) Message-ID: <EcdNFMzfFcwQ@elias.decus.ch>   j In article <GToI9.150$VA5.169758@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:   <snip>  F > I am not aware of any plans to change LAT in OpenVMS, and there are K > still third party vendors that sell terminal server devices that support   > LAT. > H > I would recommend that you check with the third parties on what their  > long term plans are. > I > Now I have used both LAT and TCP/IP in manufacturing applications, and  H > the major difference that will be visible to you is what happens in a  > network disruption.  > J > The LAT serial ports will start working again as soon as the network is L > restored, and will signal an SS$_HANGUP when the network was disconnected. > K > The TCP/IP ports were accessed by creating a TNAnnn: device to allow the  G > same software as used the LTA ports to be used without modifications.  > H > In this case the only way that the software knew that the network was D > disconnected was to use timer to send a poll to the remote device I > periodiacally.  Recovery usually recovered deleting the TNAnnn: device   > and recreating it. > G > It is likely that a program directly written to use raw TCP/IP could    > over come these issues though. > I > In the application that TCP/IP was used instead of LAT, it was because  . > LAT could no longer be bridged over the WAN. > B > I would continue to use LAT as long as it was available, but do ; > recommend seriously looking at testing a TCP/IP solution.  > ? I'll just add that at one place using VMS for manufacturing LAT ? provided the complete solution. At the next place however, they @ had a mixture of LAT and TCP/IP. Implementing the latter enabled? a greater choice of peripherals (or so I was told at the time).    --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:17:21 -0600 7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> J Subject: Re: Question on VMS system authentication using perl and web pageG Message-ID: <craigberry-AE846D.13172007122002@news.directvinternet.com>   / In article <uv4f5mpvfakk02@corp.supernews.com>, -  "Andrew Robert" <arobert@townisp.com> wrote:   K > Does anyone know how to add system level authentication via Perl to a web  > page for VMS system access?   E Perl's crypt() function does use sys$hash_password, but I'm not sure  D you would want to write your own authentication code in Perl.  More B likely you'd want to just require authentication using one of the 6 mechanism's provided by CSWS.  See (possibly wrapped):  I <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_install_0  01.html#mod_auth_s>   ( and/or ch. 7 of Alan Winston's new book.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:59:36 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>J Subject: Re: Question on VMS system authentication using perl and web page/ Message-ID: <3DF26F45.85743332@vl.videotron.ca>    Andrew Robert wrote:K > I'd like to add access to some application reports but the information is  > for authorized users only. > K > Does anyone know how to add system level authentication via Perl to a web  > page for VMS system access?   J Normally, the authentication would be done at the web server level. In itsC security/mapping rules, you would define a directory/URL to require L authentication via whatever mechanisms the Compaq version of Apache provides for VMS.  I In other words, the authentication is done before it reaches your script.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2002 07:33:55 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) K Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-7MnuNj1X0K8d@localhost>   D On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:34:43 UTC, John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> wrote:   > F > Please keep it the way it is.  One can delete off-topic posts easily	 > enough.  >  > John Nebel  E My view entirely. I get more wound up by the chinese spam stuff that  % arrives at one of my email addresses.    --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 11:01:14 GMT 1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au> K Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup 5 Message-ID: <_DFI9.558$P5.30589@nasal.pacific.net.au>   . Dave Weatherall <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote:F > On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:34:43 UTC, John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> wrote:   >>  G >> Please keep it the way it is.  One can delete off-topic posts easily 
 >> enough. >>  
 >> John Nebel   G > My view entirely. I get more wound up by the chinese spam stuff that  ' > arrives at one of my email addresses.    > --   > Cheers - Dave.  > 	Yes, agree. Keep the newsgroup as it is. I've been reading it9 	for quite a few years, one can skip the off-topic posts.    						Cheers,  Csaba  I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- E    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog E    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush. I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:48:39 +0100$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>Y Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup -         No  + Message-ID: <00A18240.988DAD46.11@decus.de>   ) "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote:   2 > Just trying to see who's getting the newsletter. > . > I just chopped off most of it.  Take a look: > ? > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration  >  > You like?   @ Indeed. The huge amount of rather personal questions being askedE before was exactly the reason I didn't register up to now. Thank you!    Michael   ; PS: I registered today using a different e-mail address ...    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:33:04 GMT ( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>Y Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup -         No  < Message-ID: <AKII9.2570$Fq3.303697@twister.southeast.rr.com>  1 "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message % news:00A18240.988DAD46.11@decus.de... + > "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote:  > 4 > > Just trying to see who's getting the newsletter. > > 0 > > I just chopped off most of it.  Take a look: > > A > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration  > > 
 > > You like?  > B > Indeed. The huge amount of rather personal questions being askedG > before was exactly the reason I didn't register up to now. Thank you!  > 	 > Michael  > = > PS: I registered today using a different e-mail address ...   J Wow!  I had no idea some of you had a problem with that.  JF's message wasK the first I'd ever heard of it.  You guys need to speak up.  I'm willing to A make changes to get more participation (within reason of course).    Ken      --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:41:30 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup -         No  ' Message-ID: <3DF3925A.49FB5DEA@fsi.net>    Ken Farmer wrote:  > 3 > "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message ' > news:00A18240.988DAD46.11@decus.de... - > > "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote:  > > 6 > > > Just trying to see who's getting the newsletter. > > > 2 > > > I just chopped off most of it.  Take a look: > > > C > > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration  > > >  > > > You like?  > > D > > Indeed. The huge amount of rather personal questions being askedI > > before was exactly the reason I didn't register up to now. Thank you!  > >  > > Michael  > > ? > > PS: I registered today using a different e-mail address ...  > L > Wow!  I had no idea some of you had a problem with that.  JF's message wasM > the first I'd ever heard of it.  You guys need to speak up.  I'm willing to C > make changes to get more participation (within reason of course).   D Best advice I can give is, if you don't want people prying into your$ private info, don't do it to others.   Do unto others, y'know...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:54:35 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>Y Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup - No thanks!  / Message-ID: <3DF26E19.589C7F31@vl.videotron.ca>    Ken Farmer wrote:  > 2 > Just trying to see who's getting the newsletter. > . > I just chopped off most of it.  Take a look: > ? > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration   & It is now quite acceptable. Thank you.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2002 00:36:26 -0800 ) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) A Subject: Re: Subject line ! (was Re: Request for Discussion, ...) < Message-ID: <55f85d77.0212080036.56b879b@posting.google.com>  n John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message news:<3DF1FE53.E72BB64C@swissonline.delete.ch>...G > Sorry guys but do you really think that "Request for Discussion, make H > comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup" was an appropriate subject for your > postings mentioned below ??  > H > I'm not for a moment going to say that it was really OT as regards VMSE > but I figure it was OT regards the subject title line that you use.  > J > Don't take too much offence because there are plenty of other people whoH > do this same thing.  These kinds of twists of subject but retention of) > subject line are very common in c.o.v..   > I have not talked to David about it, but I think we would both7 agree it was "ever so slightly intentional" :-) :-) :-)    > J > I wonder how many people will read your email - and this one - when they9 > are looking for what has been discussd on this subject.  >   ? Yup, on tech. issues it is a good thing to keep stuff under the @ right heading. I've had *VERY* good luck in the past with Google- searches on COV when up against a brick wall.   2 I don't get into COV much, but enjoy it when I do.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:27:27 +0100" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>) Subject: Re: Webserver advice for VAX/VMS 5 Message-ID: <asvhc5$v92or$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   < "Hunter Goatley" <goathunter@goatley.com> schreef in bericht* news:3defc799.32100478@news.process.com...J > On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:33:15 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)  > wrote: > H > >I thought Purveyor when it was still being developed was a commercial product  > >not freeware. > 
 > Correct. > 7 > >Can you even obtain Purveyor from Process any more ?  > > J > It's available to Hobbyists for free, and we still sell licenses for it, thoughJ > it is unsupported (and we still do sell some licenses each year, despite the  > unsupported status). >  > Hunter Hunter  = could you give us a pointer where we can download Purveyor  ?    Hans   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:46:01 +0100" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>> Subject: Re: what could replace VAX-driven DNC tools machines?5 Message-ID: <asvif5$aeu71$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   C "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> schreef in bericht   news:3DEF17BF.2020909@Free.fr...I > A Customer is wondering about his future in terms of real-time workshop L > management. They have 50 tools machines doing DNC (Digital Numeric Control ?)K > driven by a few VAX systems. They are asking me: "where should we go when  HP, > discontinue the VAX product line support". > C > My answer has been: "Alpha", then "IA64", then "or other vendor".  > H > What vendors do you know of who could supersede a VAX driven workshop? >  > SUN Solaris?	 > HP/UX ? 	 > others?  Didier,   E the best replacement for a VAX is another VAX, failing that an Alpha. J There are a lot of used VAX systems around and even a small company should be. able to afford their own stock of spare parts.L VAX equipment was designed and built to last, except perhaps the 4000-105(A) models. J You did not write what models are used by your customer so any advice is a blind guess.K My choice would be to get a couple of VAX 3100-85/90/95 systems, preferably 	 one model G (or the 4000 equivalent). Next, get some additional memory. Since these  systems have SCSI D it makes sense to have a nice stock of 1 GB disks (e.g. IBM, DEC DSP series). Use a CD writer to backup the systems.< That should keep them in business for another decode or two.F One problem may remain: what interface is used to connect to the tools	 machines? 6 RS232 or something more exotic, like the IEZ-32 boxes?   Hans   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.678 ************************