1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 10 Dec 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 681       Contents:1 Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... 1 Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... 1 RE: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... 1 Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... 1 Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... 1 RE: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... 1 Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... 1 RE: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... / A few questions about the openvms-managers list 3 RE: A few questions about the openvms-managers list 3 Re: A few questions about the openvms-managers list 3 Re: A few questions about the openvms-managers list 3 Re: A few questions about the openvms-managers list 3 Re: A few questions about the openvms-managers list 3 Re: A few questions about the openvms-managers list , Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? Another Porting Problem  Re: Another Porting Problem  Re: Another Porting Problem  RE: Another Porting Problem  Re: Another Porting Problem  concurrent file write  Re: concurrent file write  Re: concurrent file write  RE: concurrent file write  Re: concurrent file write  Re: concurrent file write  Re: concurrent file write  Re: concurrent file write $ Re: Gripe: Latest HP OLD HTML format* How to reproduce DCL date-time processing?. Re: How to reproduce DCL date-time processing? Re: KFPSA and Alpha Station 255 5 MX V4.2 long lines and recent security patch working? 9 Re: MX V4.2 long lines and recent security patch working? 9 Re: MX V4.2 long lines and recent security patch working? 9 Re: MX V4.2 long lines and recent security patch working? - Re: OT: Whoa! 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P Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup - No thanks!  Re: TCL for OpenVMS  Re: TCL for OpenVMS  UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...  Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...  Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...  RE: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...  Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...  Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...  Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...  Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...  Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...  Re: Using old VRT19-HA Monitor  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:58:28 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER): Subject: Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...3 Message-ID: <EB6J9.87545$A9.1092592@news.chello.at>   f In article <howard-9D6FCB.08110709122002@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:H >The death of Tru64 in favor of that crap HP/UX is getting companies to I >dump what-is-now-HP in droves, as far as I can tell.  Stupid move, HP.    >Really, really stupid move.   My words. Thanks.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:25:07 -0800 (PST). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>: Subject: Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...? Message-ID: <20021209232507.8674.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>   G I am 30 years old so I will retire in the next 25 years, If I dont win   the lottery....   K In 25 years there will be another processor than Itanium (may be 256 or 512 M bits) - Do Intel will exist ? . The hardwares architectures will be different O (nanotechnology chips) and OVMS will run in a PDA with performance of a hundred C of Itanium clusters nowadays..... Why I will be worried with that ?   D By the way I will begin to work with VMWare ESX in IBM x440 servers.O Windows 2000, Linux all that stuff ! Oh my God I need a milionary girlfriend...   D I will take vacations of OVMS for a while ! ! !  But If there is theB possibility to have tje VMWare runnin OVMS in IA-64 ...hmmm sounds interesting ! ! ! !        Regards    FC  - --- Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote: B > an article on www.openvms.org just posted states OpenVMS will be; > around long after current users retire ... if they do the A > itanium port right, that will definitely be the case, esp. with B > govt and defense use, and of course all us other smart users whoB > haven't jumped to other unstable os's who promise everything and> > are nowhere near the level of VMS ... here is that story ... >  > ? > The OpenVMS Consultant: Report from the 1st OpenVMS Technical  > Symposium: Part 1 H > Posted by Robert Gezelter (Wednesday December 04 2002 @ 12:17PM EST) [ > ] C > I have just returned from the OpenVMS Technical Seminar hosted by E > OpenVMS Engineering in Nashua, New Hampshire on November 19-21. The A > three days of sessions extensively covered topics including the E > assimilation of Itanium CPUs, hands-on training for Next Generation E > Alpha-based systems, E-Commerce, Probably, the hottest issue in the A > OpenVMS community is support for Intel's Itanium processor. The H > presentations on the Itanium effort were made by senior engineers fromD > the OpenVMS team, including Andrew Goldstein, Clair Grant, Stephen > Hoffman, and Gaitan D'Antoni.  > F > Mark Gorham, the VP in charge of OpenVMS also presented a keynote onF > policy and strategy for OpenVMS long term. He noted that while legalE > restrictions prevent the publication of plans beyond a rolling five E > year horizon, there is a positive commitment to OpenVMS in the form E > the of the DII COE commitment (columnist's note: DII COE requires a B > long term binding commitment to the platform of approximately 20F > years, it is inconceivable to this columnist that HP would choose toH > limit sales and support of OpenVMS to the large, albeit finite defenseH > sector, rather than amortize the expenses of the product line over theB > entire commercial space). Sales are reported to be healthy amongG > existing and new customers. ISVs are joining the community, including E > recent announcments from Legato and Veritas. In short, OpenVMS will * > actively be around long after we retire. > H > Perhaps the best quote of the symposium came from both the engineeringF > staff and management that the Itanium migration support will work atC > both the source, and translation level; even for images that were G > already VEST'ed from VAX to Alpha (translated on a binary, not source @ > recompilation basis). In short, we will be able to use VEST toF > translate an image from VAX to Alpha, and re-translate the resultingF > image to Itanium. While this tour-de-force was not unanticipated, it/ > is welcome to be in the form of a commitment.  > E > The technical sessions covered many aspects of the Itanium support, H > including some of the mechanics of the bootstrap process, the enhancedA > calling standard on Itanium, and issues relating to roadmap and F > compiler capabilities, including the use of industry-standard objectE > and debugger formats. All of the presentations showed an increasing H > level of detail, even from similar presentations just over a month agoE > in St. Louis at HPETS 2002. The presentations handily accounted for G > the major technical issues, clearly showing that the "doom and gloom" F > FUD is just that, fear of the unknown. For that matter, it was clearG > at the outset from the Itanium architectural specifications published F > by Intel that OpenVMS could feasibly assimilate Itanium. Compared toE > the introduction of Alpha (where the architecture transitioned from G > 32-bit to 64-bit), the differences between Alpha and Itanium are less G > disruptive to code bases (see the author's presentation on "The Third D > Porting", which was presented at CETS 2001 and HPETS 2002). At theE > OpenVMS system level, the processor change is an order of magnitude F > smaller (an "order of magnitude" is a factor of 10) than the changes. > required during the VAX to Alpha transition. > H > HP has also addressed the business issues which are of concern to many= > installations, most every issue I raised at the time of the C > Alpha/Itanium announcement in June 2001 has been addressed. Alpha H > systems will continue to be available and sold, at least through 2006;@ > systems will be supported after active sales ceases; there areH > guarantees on purchases of Itanium systems, mixed architecture cluster > support, and other policies. > F > OpenVMS 8.2 will be the first release of "Production Quality" on theC > Itanium platform, and will be released concurrently for all three F > patforms (VAX, Alpha, and Itanium). Unlike the VAX/Alpha effort, theF > Itanium effort is working from the common source base with Alpha, soE > there will be few, if any functional differences between OpenVMS on H > the Alpha and Itanium platforms (the differences between Alpha and VAX? > will be preserved with Itanium), In short, "VMS will be VMS", 2 > regardless of which platform it is executing on. > G > My next column will discuss some of the other interesting information E > presented at the seminar (within the limits of the NDA, of course).      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?5 Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.  http://mailplus.yahoo.com    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2002 19:56:42 -0000 4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>: Subject: RE: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...6 Message-ID: <20021209195642.21735.qmail@nym.alias.net>  < On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote: >David,  > 5 ><<< I.e., all of the above, plus everything else!>>>  > I >Yep, Dr. Watson is another popular program that seems to be getting lots  >of run time these days.    / Eh? I cannot remember the last time I saw that.   H >Also, security and virus issues .. Course, how important are these eh ?  F Yes, yes. Important, and VMS is generally ignored by the developers ofI virii and exploits due to them being interested in as wide a distribution  as possible.  E I think you (deliberately?) ignore the point David is trying to make.   : VMS was designed to be a general-purpose operating system.  / I see no evidence it is being marketed as such.   B [On a completely unrelated point... Won't Hoff and the rest of theI engineering folks share their newsfeed with you? Trust me, it is a *much*   better way to access the group.]     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:29:24 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> : Subject: Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...2 Message-ID: <3DF5428C.CA252015@firstdbasource.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Howard,  > F > >>> What it comes down to for me is, VMS is no longer being used forH > anything interesting.  It's used by large corporations who move slowly: > enough that their inertia hasn't let them change yet.<<< >  > ROTFL ...  >  > :-)  > = > I guess financial, medical, education, government, telecom, > > manufacturing, security sectors don't count in your view eh? > 8 > Secure eBusiness is also not important either I guess? > I > Or perhaps Customers aren't looking at server consolidation and perhaps I > don't want virus free file-n-print environments either (one Cust I know J > of has 6,000 end users on 4 node ES45 OpenVMS Advanced Server cluster..) > ?? > > > Recent OpenVMS in the press references: (long urls may wrap)3 > http://www.wallstreetsystems.com/news/hpbench.htm  > J > http://domino.omgroup.com/www/ombulletinboard.nsf/21d74cf5a8def809c1256a: > d200411a1f/baf61a6443a19e6480256c6f00524aa2!OpenDocument > ; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2002/021114d.html  > ; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2002/021119a.html  > 1 > http://hpnow.corp.hp.com/news/02q4/021003m1.htm  > 6 > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/24jun02g.htm > 5 > http://www.synergex.com/oll_files/synergex-1662.asp  > < > http://www.tse.com/en/mediaNews/newsreleases/news2265.html > > > http://h18020.www1.hp.com/newsroom/pr/2002/pr2002040805.html > 7 > http://www.mgex.com/news/news_releases/release28.html  > , > http://www.cio.com/archive/020102/dep.html > , > http://www.dataglider.com/news/press4.html > E > http://www.capitol.northgrum.com/press_releases/joint_stars_11.html  > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.# > Consulting & Integration Services  > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax   : 613-591-4477 > Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom/ >     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  >  > -----Original Message-----0 > From: Howard S Shubs [mailto:howard@shubs.net]  > Sent: December 8, 2002 7:02 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < > Subject: Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... > . > In article <3df3d241$1@news.swissonline.ch>,9 >  "Chris Clifford" <chris.clifford@openvms.co.uk> wrote:  > J > > If HP is serious about keeping VMS then there's a tremendous amount of > J > > work required to persuade programmers and enthusiastic system managers > I > > that VMS is an interesting environment to work in. HP needs to stress E > > the benefits not only at a high level to the IT managers but also C > > technically to the people who would develop in and maintain VMS  > > environments.  > B > What it comes down to for me is, VMS is no longer being used forH > anything interesting.  It's used by large corporations who move slowlyI > enough that their inertia hasn't let them change yet.  As time goes on, J > the corporations involved will only get bigger and more calcified as the > 7 > ones with less organizational inertia move elsewhere.  > I > VMS is on its last breaths.  People can stick with it if they like, but A > the rest of us are bootstrapping into other OSs in order to get , > experience people might actually look for. >  > --6 > Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship% - to go along with Kerry's HP wins...   A I had the opportunity today to install 2 T5 configurations of the G StorageWorks HSG's with 552 * 72GB drives -- if you do the math, that's # approximately 39TB of raw storage.    @ (for those who don't know what the T5 config looks like, it is 2> cabinets with 12 shelves x 14 drive bays each cab + 4 HSG80's.   really cool stuff!!! --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:29:14 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> : Subject: Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...< Message-ID: <howard-E92A5C.21291409122002@enews.newsguy.com>   In article  H <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660BE6@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net> , )  "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:   E > In addition, yes, the IT market is suffering and many companies are G > cutting back in many area's, but that is not unique to OpenVMS. It is   > happening on all OS platforms.  F This has nothing to do with the current downturn.  It's been going on F for 10 or more years, accelerating with time.  I expect it started in  the late 1980s, actually.     J > So, while I obviously have no idea of what is happening in your company,H > I posted those URL's to show that these previous statements I made are  > not just pie-in-the-sky stuff.  G I believe that you believe that.  I believe that HP -might- want us to  H believe that.  I, however, don't believe that.  VMS is dead.  Tru64 was B murdered.  DEC is completely gone, and I'm moving on in my career   because I have to pay the bills.  G Once a thing gets beyond a certain point, there's no reviving it.  VMS  G is and was a very good OS.  Doesn't matter.  Quality is of limited use  B if you can't market it.  Ask Xerox or Sony (Beta!) or many others.  H The people working on VMS now, and those who try to push it, are one or G more of very very cynical, doing it because it pays the bills, or live  2 in some world I've not yet found a way to achieve.   --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:51:23 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> : Subject: RE: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660BEE@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  G >>> Yes, yes. Important, and VMS is generally ignored by the developers ? of virii and exploits due to them being interested in as wide a  distribution as possible.<<   H Course, the fact that there are no known OpenVMS virus's in the wild (toG my knowledge anyway) may also have something to do with it as well. For H anti-virus makers, how can you sell a solution when there is no problem?    G Perhaps we should introduce some weakness's into the OS architecture to B make it easier to introduce Virus's to keep the masses busy and so' anti-virus companies can make a living?   B >>>I think you (deliberately?) ignore the point David is trying to make.<<<  G Nope. I already stated I thought OpenVMS marketing could be better. You D won't find many knowledgeable people internal or external to HP that will argue that point.=20   F And the merits of back-porting a full 64bit OS like OpenVMS to a 32bitD HW architecture on cheap hardware in the hope that this will somehowC automatically attract a huge number of new ISV's has been debated a ! thousand times before in this NG.   G Granted, I have access to information like OpenVMS Customer win reports E that most readers here do not have, so when some readers (albeit long H time OpenVMS promoters) start to get discouraged, I simply try to remindE them that OpenVMS is getting new Customers and existing Customers and : ISV's are doing interesting stuff with OpenVMS these days.  E The OpenVMS market is not as good as it could be, but it is certainly : not as bad as some participants on this NG believe either.  H In addition to the previous pointers, check out Mike's previous reply on- the big OpenVMS SAN stuff as another example.   F >>> [On a completely unrelated point... Won't Hoff and the rest of theB engineering folks share their newsfeed with you? Trust me, it is a* *much* better way to access the group.]<<<  ? I have a large number of different information sources and this D newsgroup is only one, but perhaps you can expand on what it is that! bothers you in an offline email ?    Thx and regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)        -----Original Message-----> From: Doc.Cypher [mailto:Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]]=20 Sent: December 9, 2002 2:57 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # Cc: mail2news@freedom.gmsociety.org : Subject: RE: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...    < On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote: >David,  > 5 ><<< I.e., all of the above, plus everything else!>>>  > G >Yep, Dr. Watson is another popular program that seems to be getting=20  >lots of run time these days.   / Eh? I cannot remember the last time I saw that.   H >Also, security and virus issues .. Course, how important are these eh ?  F Yes, yes. Important, and VMS is generally ignored by the developers of< virii and exploits due to them being interested in as wide a distribution as possible.   E I think you (deliberately?) ignore the point David is trying to make.   : VMS was designed to be a general-purpose operating system.  / I see no evidence it is being marketed as such.   B [On a completely unrelated point... Won't Hoff and the rest of theB engineering folks share their newsfeed with you? Trust me, it is a' *much* better way to access the group.]      Doc. --=20 6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum. https://vmsbox.cjb.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:43:11 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger): Subject: Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1012020043110001@user-2ive3t1.dialup.mindspring.com>  ; In article <at2ko1$fa7$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>, "Tony Scandora"  <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> wrote:   > >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message* >news:3DF40E80.402E15E9@vl.videotron.ca...  E >> The Hobbysit programme is perhaps the one thing which has the most 
 >potential >> for VMS.  > F >True.  It could be even better if Charon-VAX were still available forL >hobbyists.  Unfortuately, after too many thieves abused the vendor's trust,' >the hobbyist program was discontinued.   G What if VMS licensing was made FREE on older, less capable systems, VAX H and/or Alpha?  No hobbyist restrictions.  Regular production quality VMSJ licenses for free, but only on old hardware.  Would this be worthwhile for anyone?    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2002 05:59:43 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>: Subject: RE: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...6 Message-ID: <20021210055943.13601.qmail@nym.alias.net>  < On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:  H >Perhaps we should introduce some weakness's into the OS architecture toC >make it easier to introduce Virus's to keep the masses busy and so ( >anti-virus companies can make a living?   I don't think so.   C >>>>I think you (deliberately?) ignore the point David is trying to 	 >make.<<<  > H >Nope. I already stated I thought OpenVMS marketing could be better. YouE >won't find many knowledgeable people internal or external to HP that  >will argue that point.   I I didn't think you were against wider - or as I and others would prefer - B unrestricted marketing of VMS. The conclusion drawn by many in theH newsgroup is that the fault lies with those above you (how high above, I don't know).  G >And the merits of back-porting a full 64bit OS like OpenVMS to a 32bit E >HW architecture on cheap hardware in the hope that this will somehow D >automatically attract a huge number of new ISV's has been debated a" >thousand times before in this NG.  G As far as I am concerned, it's about 10 years too late to try something I like that. My suspicion is the Hammer will gradually take over the market I currently served by smaller x86 systems. Consequently I would like to see G HP hedging their bets rather than putting all their eggs in one basket.   H >Granted, I have access to information like OpenVMS Customer win reportsF >that most readers here do not have, so when some readers (albeit longI >time OpenVMS promoters) start to get discouraged, I simply try to remind F >them that OpenVMS is getting new Customers and existing Customers and; >ISV's are doing interesting stuff with OpenVMS these days.   E I know, I think we touched on this in the past. Many customers aren't I willing to have you publically announce large sales. I can appreciate you ( probably find that frustrating at times.  F >The OpenVMS market is not as good as it could be, but it is certainly; >not as bad as some participants on this NG believe either.  > I >In addition to the previous pointers, check out Mike's previous reply on . >the big OpenVMS SAN stuff as another example.  & Yes, nice stuff. Can I borrow some? :)  G >>>> [On a completely unrelated point... Won't Hoff and the rest of the C >engineering folks share their newsfeed with you? Trust me, it is a + >*much* better way to access the group.]<<<  > @ >I have a large number of different information sources and thisE >newsgroup is only one, but perhaps you can expand on what it is that " >bothers you in an offline email ?  K You're a fairly frequent contributor, but because you post via Info-VAX the K References header is lost on your posts. This - at least with my newsreader H - results in your posts appearing at the bottom of the thread and out of context.  K I know there are some contributors who can only access c.o.v. via the list, F whereas there are news servers available within HP. I also believe youJ would find it takes less time to go through all the posts in the group via: a newsreader. It certainly wasn't intended as a criticism.     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:14:28 GMT ( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>8 Subject: A few questions about the openvms-managers list> Message-ID: <oY5J9.12029$uJ5.1093665@twister.southeast.rr.com>  I 1. Would everyone prefer that when a question is submitted people respond L directly to the person asking the question and then the person who asked theF question is responsible for sending a [SUMMARY] back to the group with
 responses? ...or...K Would everyone prefer questions to be answered directly to the list?  Using L the [SUMMARY] method will cut down on traffic considerably but...some peopleK may not be responsible enough to summarize the answers for everyone else to  see.  I 2. Also, would everyone like the option of getting a digest at the end of K the day or a digest when a certain amount of messages have been sent to the K list...say 10 messages will trigger a digest being sent out.  If I send one + at the end of the day it may have 1 or 100.    In addition...  D The list will be strictly text.  I'm going to try and run it withoutL moderating.  There will also be a searchable webpage that everyone can go to see an archive of the list.   L Any other comments, questions or suggestions before I get this list started?   Ken      --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.org    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:41:31 -0500$ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>< Subject: RE: A few questions about the openvms-managers listJ Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492AEFA@lespaul.process.com>  / > From: Ken Farmer [mailto:kfarmer@openvms.org] ) > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:14 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com : > Subject: A few questions about the openvms-managers list >   = > 1. Would everyone prefer that when a question is submitted   > people respond: > directly to the person asking the question and then the  > person who asked theH > question is responsible for sending a [SUMMARY] back to the group with > responses?
 > ...or...= > Would everyone prefer questions to be answered directly to   > the list?  Using= > the [SUMMARY] method will cut down on traffic considerably   > but...some people = > may not be responsible enough to summarize the answers for   > everyone else to > see. >   B I suspect that the SUMMARY method will not be strictly adhered to.  > > 2. Also, would everyone like the option of getting a digest  > at the end of = > the day or a digest when a certain amount of messages have   > been sent to the@ > list...say 10 messages will trigger a digest being sent out.   > If I send one - > at the end of the day it may have 1 or 100.  >   2 I'd prefer daily, but can live easily with either.   > [...] < > Any other comments, questions or suggestions before I get  > this list started? >    You're a very brave man.   -Mike Duffy    ------------------------------   Date: 9 DEC 2002 19:38:50 GMT + From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> < Subject: Re: A few questions about the openvms-managers list1 Message-ID: <9DEC02.19385076@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>   @ In a previous article, "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote: >   K > 1. Would everyone prefer that when a question is submitted people respond N > directly to the person asking the question and then the person who asked theH > question is responsible for sending a [SUMMARY] back to the group with > responses?
 > ...or...M > Would everyone prefer questions to be answered directly to the list?  Using N > the [SUMMARY] method will cut down on traffic considerably but...some peopleM > may not be responsible enough to summarize the answers for everyone else to  > see.  C I vote for [SUMMARY].  Since this will be a mail list rather than a F newsgroup I'd prefer as little traffic as possible.  A bit of (not so)C gentle prodding by members of the list can be used to get summaries ' posted (or useless summaries improved).   K > 2. Also, would everyone like the option of getting a digest at the end of M > the day or a digest when a certain amount of messages have been sent to the M > list...say 10 messages will trigger a digest being sent out.  If I send one - > at the end of the day it may have 1 or 100.   6 I'm unlikely to use the digest option so I don't care.   > In addition... >   F > The list will be strictly text.  I'm going to try and run it withoutN > moderating.  There will also be a searchable webpage that everyone can go to > see an archive of the list.    Good.   N > Any other comments, questions or suggestions before I get this list started?  G Have you looked at the tru64 manager's list as a model?  It seems to be  working pretty well.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:54:37 GMT ( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>< Subject: Re: A few questions about the openvms-managers list> Message-ID: <1y6J9.12033$uJ5.1098925@twister.southeast.rr.com>  I > Have you looked at the tru64 manager's list as a model?  It seems to be  > working pretty well.  I That's exactly what I'm using for a model.  I spoke with Dave Sill and he 1 said it was ok to use his material for rules etc.    Ken    --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.org         8 "Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote in message+ news:9DEC02.19385076@feda34.fed.ornl.gov... B > In a previous article, "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote: > > E > > 1. Would everyone prefer that when a question is submitted people  respond L > > directly to the person asking the question and then the person who asked the J > > question is responsible for sending a [SUMMARY] back to the group with > > responses? > > ...or...H > > Would everyone prefer questions to be answered directly to the list? Using I > > the [SUMMARY] method will cut down on traffic considerably but...some  peopleL > > may not be responsible enough to summarize the answers for everyone else to > > see. > E > I vote for [SUMMARY].  Since this will be a mail list rather than a H > newsgroup I'd prefer as little traffic as possible.  A bit of (not so)E > gentle prodding by members of the list can be used to get summaries ) > posted (or useless summaries improved).  > J > > 2. Also, would everyone like the option of getting a digest at the end ofK > > the day or a digest when a certain amount of messages have been sent to  the K > > list...say 10 messages will trigger a digest being sent out.  If I send  one / > > at the end of the day it may have 1 or 100.  > 8 > I'm unlikely to use the digest option so I don't care. >  > > In addition... > > H > > The list will be strictly text.  I'm going to try and run it withoutJ > > moderating.  There will also be a searchable webpage that everyone can go to  > > see an archive of the list.  >  > Good.  > G > > Any other comments, questions or suggestions before I get this list  started? > I > Have you looked at the tru64 manager's list as a model?  It seems to be  > working pretty well. >  > Dave > --------------; > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV J > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:01:52 GMT ( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>< Subject: Re: A few questions about the openvms-managers list> Message-ID: <QE6J9.12034$uJ5.1101207@twister.southeast.rr.com>   > You're a very brave man.   :)  More like a fool!   H BTW folks, I've recieved many reaponses to the question of Summary or noH Summary.  No summary is winning by far.  Seems people want to be able toE eval the answers for themselves and not rely on the person asking thegI question to do it for them.  For those who don't want the traffic I would D suggest a digest.  I really don't think there's going to be too many questions daily, just a guess.   --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.orga        1 "Mike Duffy" <Duffy@process.com> wrote in messagelD news:63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492AEFA@lespaul.process.com...1 > > From: Ken Farmer [mailto:kfarmer@openvms.org]e+ > > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:14 PM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComK< > > Subject: A few questions about the openvms-managers list > > > > > 1. Would everyone prefer that when a question is submitted > > people respond; > > directly to the person asking the question and then thee > > person who asked theJ > > question is responsible for sending a [SUMMARY] back to the group with > > responses? > > ...or...> > > Would everyone prefer questions to be answered directly to > > the list?  Using> > > the [SUMMARY] method will cut down on traffic considerably > > but...some peopler> > > may not be responsible enough to summarize the answers for > > everyone else to > > see. > >e >iD > I suspect that the SUMMARY method will not be strictly adhered to. >i? > > 2. Also, would everyone like the option of getting a digest  > > at the end ofn> > > the day or a digest when a certain amount of messages have > > been sent to the@ > > list...say 10 messages will trigger a digest being sent out. > > If I send oneh/ > > at the end of the day it may have 1 or 100.c > >n >a4 > I'd prefer daily, but can live easily with either. >e	 > > [...]i= > > Any other comments, questions or suggestions before I get  > > this list started? > >a >c > You're a very brave man. >p
 > -Mike Duffy  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2002 18:48:13 -0600h3 From: bradhamilton@127.0.0.1 (Bradford J. Hamilton)a< Subject: Re: A few questions about the openvms-managers list3 Message-ID: <aVs8ZLPqo$FP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <oY5J9.12029$uJ5.1093665@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> writes:  > K > 1. Would everyone prefer that when a question is submitted people respondoN > directly to the person asking the question and then the person who asked theH > question is responsible for sending a [SUMMARY] back to the group with > responses?
 > ...or...M > Would everyone prefer questions to be answered directly to the list?  Using-N > the [SUMMARY] method will cut down on traffic considerably but...some peopleM > may not be responsible enough to summarize the answers for everyone else toD > see.   I prefer no summary.   > K > 2. Also, would everyone like the option of getting a digest at the end of M > the day or a digest when a certain amount of messages have been sent to theUM > list...say 10 messages will trigger a digest being sent out.  If I send onel- > at the end of the day it may have 1 or 100.m   No opinion.s   >  > In addition... > F > The list will be strictly text.  I'm going to try and run it withoutN > moderating.  There will also be a searchable webpage that everyone can go to > see an archive of the list.-   Good idea. a   > N > Any other comments, questions or suggestions before I get this list started? >  > Ken: >  >  > -- >  > Kenneth Farmer > http://www.Tru64.org > http://www.OpenVMS.org > http://www.LinuxHPC.orgm >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:19:17 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>< Subject: Re: A few questions about the openvms-managers list. Message-ID: <3DF54F24.39621BC@vl.videotron.ca>   Ken Farmer wrote:p > K > 1. Would everyone prefer that when a question is submitted people respond N > directly to the person asking the question and then the person who asked theH > question is responsible for sending a [SUMMARY] back to the group with > responses?  N The problem with summaries/digests is that a reader doesn't really know if theM question has been asnwered already, so you may find many identical responses..L If resposes are emails right away, not only does the original poster get theM asnwer quicker, but other potential responders see that the question has beensU answered and do not bother responding since it would be a waste of time for everyone.u  H The one feature that would be nice is an EASY way to temporarily suspectT reception of messages and easily restart it (when away, on holidays, very busy etc).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:57:25 -05004 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?:3 Message-ID: <f7aJ9.49$_I1.1896556@news.cpqcorp.net>m  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message E news:rdeininger-2911020759360001@1cust212.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...N  H > Starting with VMS 7.3 (IIRC), there is a PAKGEN facility included with VMSd > on alpha.d   It is in V7.2 and after.   mark   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:18:05 -05004 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? 3 Message-ID: <DqaJ9.51$522.3108991@news.cpqcorp.net>s  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messager! news:3DEC5C41.C93908F0@aaa.com...   @ > Personly I'v never used this PAK generation tool, so I'm a bitC > lost here, or *was lost* at least, before opening this thread :-)p >M& > Many thanks so far to all replying !  E I posted the documentation in PDF format to this group.  Feel free to @ read through it.  It explains the process of creation & control.  D If you want a PAKGEN PAK, you will have to join the CSA program.  At7 this time that it the only method available to get one.r   mark   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2002 11:00:33 -0800o& From: aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron)  Subject: Another Porting Problem< Message-ID: <99c3a525.0212091100.1b95343@posting.google.com>  E I am having trouble with another Macro32 Problem which I am trying tohF solve using Macro32, since I cannot find any documentation on Macro64.E  In the code I am trying to port, the original programmer was wanting,E to put an extra stack frame on the stack.  I cannot figure out how top/ do this on the Alpha.  The code looks like thist        .entry $unit_name	      ....t	      ....t      calls #0,1$
 1$:  .word 0  	      ....t	      ....a      blss Return  C The alpha requires an entry point.  The problem is a JSB_ENTRY doesaB not create a stack frame, and a CALL_ENTRY deletes the stack frame@ when it finishes.  What is the solution to this porting problem?  B P.S.  I appreciate all the help I have received in this Newsgroup, Thanks  
 Blessings, Aaronp   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2002 12:54:55 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t$ Subject: Re: Another Porting Problem3 Message-ID: <Hn$VmidjDWli@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  U In article <00A18318.059B0768@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:t  E > If the above is truly representative of the code, I fail to see howeC > the VAX didn't puke when the call to 1$ returned to a code streamrC > with 0 (a HALT on VAX and would require KERNEL mode to execute ith > without returning an OPCDEC).   A    You been away too long?  The target of a CALLG/CALLS is a wordd+    mask for register saves and PSL changes.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:30:37 GMTi" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG$ Subject: Re: Another Porting Problem0 Message-ID: <00A18318.059B0768@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <99c3a525.0212091100.1b95343@posting.google.com>, aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron) writes:aF >I am having trouble with another Macro32 Problem which I am trying toG >solve using Macro32, since I cannot find any documentation on Macro64.dF > In the code I am trying to port, the original programmer was wantingF >to put an extra stack frame on the stack.  I cannot figure out how to0 >do this on the Alpha.  The code looks like this >p >     .entry $unit_nameh
 >     ....
 >     .... >     calls #0,1$  >1$:  .word 0 
 >     ....
 >     .... >     blss Return  >sD >The alpha requires an entry point.  The problem is a JSB_ENTRY doesC >not create a stack frame, and a CALL_ENTRY deletes the stack frameoA >when it finishes.  What is the solution to this porting problem?e  2 Perhaps a larger snippet of the code would help.    C If the above is truly representative of the code, I fail to see howcA the VAX didn't puke when the call to 1$ returned to a code streamaA with 0 (a HALT on VAX and would require KERNEL mode to execute it  without returning an OPCDEC).,   Anyhow,    1$:	.CALL_ENTRY   A would be in keeping with the spirit of the VAX code.  The .WORD 0o@ is merely a way to create a CALLx entry mask on VAX with a local label as the target.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" d   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:28:23 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>o$ Subject: RE: Another Porting Problem9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEFHGDAA.tom@kednos.com>=  A Aren't you curious why he was creating an extra stack frame?  Andg; why not rewrite it in something a bit higher up than macro?=   >-----Original Message-----_C >From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG]i) >Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:31 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com% >Subject: Re: Another Porting Problema >  >e> >In article <99c3a525.0212091100.1b95343@posting.google.com>, ) >aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron) writes:uG >>I am having trouble with another Macro32 Problem which I am trying to.H >>solve using Macro32, since I cannot find any documentation on Macro64.G >> In the code I am trying to port, the original programmer was wanting G >>to put an extra stack frame on the stack.  I cannot figure out how tot1 >>do this on the Alpha.  The code looks like thism >> >>     .entry $unit_name >>     ....c >>     ....u >>     calls #0,1$ >>1$:  .word 0   >>     ....  >>     ....o >>     blss Return >>E >>The alpha requires an entry point.  The problem is a JSB_ENTRY doesiD >>not create a stack frame, and a CALL_ENTRY deletes the stack frameB >>when it finishes.  What is the solution to this porting problem? >n3 >Perhaps a larger snippet of the code would help.    >eD >If the above is truly representative of the code, I fail to see howB >the VAX didn't puke when the call to 1$ returned to a code streamB >with 0 (a HALT on VAX and would require KERNEL mode to execute it >without returning an OPCDEC). >i	 >Anyhow, m >, >1$:	.CALL_ENTRY w > B >would be in keeping with the spirit of the VAX code.  The .WORD 0A >is merely a way to create a CALLx entry mask on VAX with a local1 >label as the target.  >r >--i8 >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001      >VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe >           6 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  >M >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.h; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).rB >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 >w --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:44:34 GMTs- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>r$ Subject: Re: Another Porting Problem; Message-ID: <mycJ9.5895$VA5.970352@news1.news.adelphia.net>e   VAXman- wrote:  L > In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >c> > >In article <00A18318.059B0768@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  > @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:) > >tG > >>If the above is truly representative of the code, I fail to see howrE > >>the VAX didn't puke when the call to 1$ returned to a code streamfE > >>with 0 (a HALT on VAX and would require KERNEL mode to execute itn! > >>without returning an OPCDEC).  > > C > >  You been away too long?  The target of a CALLG/CALLS is a wordt- > >  mask for register saves and PSL changes.  >  > Huh? >w% > Look at that pseudo code snippet...h >  >      .entry $unit_name >      ..../ >      .....C >      calls #0,1$	; call routine 1$ and return to next instructionl > 1$:  .word 0 >      ..... >      ....p >      blss Return >l& > What have I been away from TOO LONG? >s > Ne'er question my macro.    G Looks like self modifying code.  That could be even more fun to figure s  out than creating a stack frame.   -Johnh wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 23:43:20 +0100 A From: =?iso-8859-1?b?Ik3hdOkgTOFzemzzIg==?= <lmate@nextramail.hu>2 Subject: concurrent file write: Message-ID: <pan.2002.12.09.22.43.20.278610@nextramail.hu>   Hello,  G I have to write a multi platform C API for MQSeries, and I need to openoJ a log file which is written by more than one process at the same time. TheF fopen("file","a") results 'file used by another process' (or somethingK similar) when the second process tries to open the log for append. Is therecD any C function which can handle this case, or should I set some file# attributes (I've no VMS knowledge)?   ( On linux and tru64 this code works fine.   Thanks in advance, ml   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:27:38 GMTH# From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net>n" Subject: Re: concurrent file write- Message-ID: <3DF5352D.54F04436@earthlink.net>    "Mt Lszl" wrote: >  > Hello, > I > I have to write a multi platform C API for MQSeries, and I need to openeL > a log file which is written by more than one process at the same time. TheH > fopen("file","a") results 'file used by another process' (or somethingM > similar) when the second process tries to open the log for append. Is there F > any C function which can handle this case, or should I set some file% > attributes (I've no VMS knowledge)?  > * > On linux and tru64 this code works fine. >  > Thanks in advance, > ml  M That is error code 65535 (dec) that you'll find in errno after doing what you P described.  In my opinion, the [sl]easyest way out would be to have the log fileR open only when you have something to write. If it's already open (errno is 65535),N wait a little and try again. Of course this won't work if the processes truely- need to write to the file at the same time :)o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:37:55 GMTv1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>c" Subject: Re: concurrent file write2 Message-ID: <3DF5367E.A136B680@firstdbasource.com>   "Mt Lszl" wrote: >  > Hello, > I > I have to write a multi platform C API for MQSeries, and I need to open L > a log file which is written by more than one process at the same time. TheH > fopen("file","a") results 'file used by another process' (or somethingM > similar) when the second process tries to open the log for append. Is there<F > any C function which can handle this case, or should I set some file% > attributes (I've no VMS knowledge)?  > * > On linux and tru64 this code works fine. >  > Thanks in advance, > ml  B try using the "shr=del,get,put,upd" options in the open statement.   -- Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163 7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:31:30 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>" Subject: RE: concurrent file write0 Message-ID: <01C29FA0.8D279340@sulfer.icius.com>  C Alternatively, have a server process handle the logfile. Instead of G opening channels to the logfile, open TCP/IP channels (or DECnet, X.25,sF whatever). The server starts a thread to listen on the channel, and asD lines come in it adds them to a memory buffer which it protects from; update collisions by using a mutex. One thread is given theAA responsibility of taking the buffer lines and putting them in theM logfile.   Shane "The Overengineer" Smith   -----Original Message-----* From: ualski [mailto:ualski@earthlink.net]' Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:28 PMw To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma" Subject: Re: concurrent file write         "M=E1t=E9 L=E1szl=F3" wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20F > I have to write a multi platform C API for MQSeries, and I need to = openJ > a log file which is written by more than one process at the same time. = TheAH > fopen("file","a") results 'file used by another process' (or somethingI > similar) when the second process tries to open the log for append. Is =o there F > any C function which can handle this case, or should I set some file% > attributes (I've no VMS knowledge)?n >=20* > On linux and tru64 this code works fine. >=20 > Thanks in advance, > ml  D That is error code 65535 (dec) that you'll find in errno after doing what youG described.  In my opinion, the [sl]easyest way out would be to have theO log fileG open only when you have something to write. If it's already open (errno 
 is 65535),G wait a little and try again. Of course this won't work if the processes  truely- need to write to the file at the same time :)d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:06:37 +1030 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>h" Subject: Re: concurrent file write. Message-ID: <3DF53715.4010609@wasd.vsm.com.au>  * fopen("file","a","shr=get","shr=put") IIRC   Máté László wrote: > Hello, > I > I have to write a multi platform C API for MQSeries, and I need to open L > a log file which is written by more than one process at the same time. TheH > fopen("file","a") results 'file used by another process' (or somethingM > similar) when the second process tries to open the log for append. Is theredF > any C function which can handle this case, or should I set some file% > attributes (I've no VMS knowledge)?n > * > On linux and tru64 this code works fine. >  > Thanks in advance, > ml >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:31:12 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>o" Subject: Re: concurrent file write/ Message-ID: <uvakfg1jhao0fd@corp.supernews.com>   * "Mt Lszl" <lmate@nextramail.hu> wrote:I : I have to write a multi platform C API for MQSeries, and I need to openhL : a log file which is written by more than one process at the same time. TheH : fopen("file","a") results 'file used by another process' (or somethingM : similar) when the second process tries to open the log for append. Is there F : any C function which can handle this case, or should I set some file% : attributes (I've no VMS knowledge)?   * See: the creat()/fopen() options table at:  L http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/731FINAL/5763/5763pro_023.html#index_x_653  7 It's called "Table REF-3 RMS Valid Keywords and Values"-  L One or more of those options ("shr=put" or "shr=upd"?) may do what you want.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:31:42 -0000o! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>b" Subject: Re: concurrent file write/ Message-ID: <uvakge69bln41a@corp.supernews.com>@  % Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:aE : Alternatively, have a server process handle the logfile. Instead oft  . That's the ideal way, but it's lots more work.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:51:43 +1030 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>r" Subject: Re: concurrent file write. Message-ID: <3DF55DC7.4010605@wasd.vsm.com.au>  J I played around with it over lunch (more crumbs in the keyboard) and this L was the only combination I could use and have the records make sense in the  output file.  <    fd = fopen ("file","a","rfm=var","rat=cr","shr=get,put");   Máté László wrote: > Hello, > I > I have to write a multi platform C API for MQSeries, and I need to openfL > a log file which is written by more than one process at the same time. TheH > fopen("file","a") results 'file used by another process' (or somethingM > similar) when the second process tries to open the log for append. Is there F > any C function which can handle this case, or should I set some file% > attributes (I've no VMS knowledge)?i > * > On linux and tru64 this code works fine. >  > Thanks in advance, > ml   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:48:34 +1030i/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>m- Subject: Re: Gripe: Latest HP OLD HTML formatm3 Message-ID: <at31gi$tai$1@fang.dsto.defence.gov.au>.   James Gessling wrote:s> > "Mark Daniel" <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote in message/ > news:asoqhd$6ab$1@fang.dsto.defence.gov.au...t >  >>Robert Deininger wrote:S >>
 8< snip 8<M > Well, I had sent a complaint to the listed address a while ago, but I neverf > received a reply.m >  > Jim   C Although it's no excuse for continued cynicism I have had the same  J experience.  And not only with Digital/Compaq/HP.  In general I have long J stopped "please give us your comments".  These seem to feed NL:  At least J in the c.o.v. public forum it was noticed by someone, albeit resulting in 4 an oblique criticism - that's something at least :^)  J I must update my system.  Obviously these documents are not an issue with # anyone else.  Must be underpowered.f   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2002 11:52:13 -0800.% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams)y3 Subject: How to reproduce DCL date-time processing?t= Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0212091152.5dd0a05f@posting.google.com>s  F I am working on a command that needs to specify a list of time periods$ using a start and end time for each:  + FOOBAR/PERIODS=((1-DEC,2-DEC),(9:00,10:00))o   This would specify two periods.m  C Now I don't see a way to use a Command Language Definition (CLD) to F cause the dates to be comprehended as type $DATETIME.  If I understand< correctly, all I can do is get back (1-DEC,2-DEC), etc. as aD $PARENTHESIZED_VALUE type.  Now, I would like to process these dates- exactly the same way that the CLD will do it.   D How do I reproduce the CLD processing?  LIB$CONVERT_DATE_STRING doesA not reproduce it, since it converts  "--:9:00" to 9 minutes afterb midnightA on the current day, whereas CLD processing converts it to 9 hourse afterh	 midnight.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:34:32 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>7 Subject: Re: How to reproduce DCL date-time processing?n/ Message-ID: <3DF552B6.EA6848B1@vl.videotron.ca>a   Tom Adams wrote: > H > I am working on a command that needs to specify a list of time periods& > using a start and end time for each: > - > FOOBAR/PERIODS=((1-DEC,2-DEC),(9:00,10:00))d > ! > This would specify two periods.n     You could try something like:t  - FOOBAR/PERIODS=(01-dec, 02-dec, 09:00, 10:00)a   in the CLD, you'd have:r  - QUALIFIER PERIODS  type=$DATETIME,value=list o  K When you parse the command, you'll need to repeat a "cli$get_value" call tod pickup each individual time).s  N Your documentation would have to specify that the first item is the start dat,J second item is end date, 3rd item is start time and 4th item is end time).  1 Another option would be to have a syntax such as:g  U FOOBAR/PERIODS=(start_date=01-dec, end_date=02-dec, start_time=09:00, end_time=10:00)t  N you could use VERB to find out how a command such as SET FILE/ATTRIB=(rfm=fix, mrs=512) does it.c   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:29:54 -05000 From: "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com>( Subject: Re: KFPSA and Alpha Station 255/ Message-ID: <uv9qb8kgobsi10@corp.supernews.com>f  F According to the 1996 Systems and Options catalog the AlphaStation 255L didn't have KFPSA support, but in works in the AlphaServer 400 which was theD lowend box so I'd be willing to bet that it works, it was just never qual'ed.   Alan9 "Gary L. Ross" <rossgl@parknicollet.com> wrote in messager2 news:e2h9vu0fm289guae2pha81b2j3mcf92bvl@4ax.com...A > Is the KFPSA (DSSI adapter) supported on the Alpha Station 255?t >y > Gary   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:49:26 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>> Subject: MX V4.2 long lines and recent security patch working?6 Message-ID: <1021209163847.62280D-100000@Ives.egh.com>  @ On Saturday, I installed the MX V4.2 SECUPD patch.  I *think* it= is the current version, with the correction for long lines asd  well as the security hole fixed.  @ Today, I got an e-mail with long lines (the mailing list version< of the post from Sue about XLN), and they're truncated.  I'm8 using Pine V3.91-2 on Alpha VMS V7.2-1 to read the mail.  @ (The long lines also appear to be truncated when I read the mailA with VMS mail, but I'm not sure VMS Mail can display long lines.)5  A I'm sure I've received mail with long lines that has worked fine,rA since installing the previous long-lines version patch to MX 4.2.    Anyone else seen this?   -- d John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:56:56 -0600p1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>?B Subject: Re: MX V4.2 long lines and recent security patch working?' Message-ID: <3DF549E8.7B6C562B@fsi.net>e   John Santos wrote: > [snip]C > I'm sure I've received mail with long lines that has worked fine,oC > since installing the previous long-lines version patch to MX 4.2.a  E Can you pull the MAIL$*.MAI file(s) into an editor and read them that 0 way? If so, are they truncated at 80 characters?   -- e David J. Dachteray dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:00:11 -0500% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>nB Subject: Re: MX V4.2 long lines and recent security patch working?/ Message-ID: <uvam62s1kgrd61@news.supernews.com>   - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message 0 news:1021209163847.62280D-100000@Ives.egh.com...B > On Saturday, I installed the MX V4.2 SECUPD patch.  I *think* it? > is the current version, with the correction for long lines asD" > well as the security hole fixed. >AB > Today, I got an e-mail with long lines (the mailing list version> > of the post from Sue about XLN), and they're truncated.  I'm: > using Pine V3.91-2 on Alpha VMS V7.2-1 to read the mail. >sB > (The long lines also appear to be truncated when I read the mailC > with VMS mail, but I'm not sure VMS Mail can display long lines.)h >uC > I'm sure I've received mail with long lines that has worked fine,lC > since installing the previous long-lines version patch to MX 4.2.o >. > Anyone else seen this? >s  K This was mentioned on one of the MX mailing lists.  The security update forwJ 4.2 removed some updates to support long lines.  I believe that there's an7 updated version of the security update that fixes this.o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:11:41 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>B Subject: Re: MX V4.2 long lines and recent security patch working?6 Message-ID: <1021209230602.62280A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ' On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, John Vottero wrote:1  / > "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message 2 > news:1021209163847.62280D-100000@Ives.egh.com...D > > On Saturday, I installed the MX V4.2 SECUPD patch.  I *think* itA > > is the current version, with the correction for long lines as $ > > well as the security hole fixed. > >aD > > Today, I got an e-mail with long lines (the mailing list version@ > > of the post from Sue about XLN), and they're truncated.  I'm< > > using Pine V3.91-2 on Alpha VMS V7.2-1 to read the mail. > > D > > (The long lines also appear to be truncated when I read the mailE > > with VMS mail, but I'm not sure VMS Mail can display long lines.)d > >yE > > I'm sure I've received mail with long lines that has worked fine,yE > > since installing the previous long-lines version patch to MX 4.2.  > >i > > Anyone else seen this? > >S > M > This was mentioned on one of the MX mailing lists.  The security update foruL > 4.2 removed some updates to support long lines.  I believe that there's an9 > updated version of the security update that fixes this.a  A I know.  That is why, in the 2nd sentence in the 1st paragraph, IeC wrote "I *think* it is the current version, with the correction for / long lines as well as the security hole fixed."a  @ I downloaded at about 5PM EST on Saturday, 7-Dec-2002.  How do IF tell if I really got the new version?  The zip file, MX042_SECUPD.ZIP,E contains 4 files, MX_DECODE.[AXP,VAX]_EXE and MX_LOCAL.[AXP,VAX]_EXE.s   -- e John Santosh Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:13:28 -0500g0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?/ Message-ID: <3DF4EB57.37E9F9F3@vl.videotron.ca>    David Webb wrote:eK > IA32 is as much on death row as ALPHA. VMS is being ported to Intel's newl > architecture IA64.    N IA64 is not intel's "new" architecture and it looks like it will never become.J It is HP's proprietary architecture with a few others bending to the IntelF blackmail and stating that they might make a few IA643 boxes later on.  G Intel has admitted that IA64 woN't be a desktop chip. They have already   downsized their dream big time.   L And *IF* Hammer takes off, then IA64 will truly be relegated to HP-UX TandemH and VMS, assuming Carly isn't kicked out and they decide to stop wasting efforts on a losing platform.>  L What VMS needs is to be ported to a polular, high volume platform. And right now, IA32 is it.  K Do modern 8086s running at 3ghz really still lack the 4 modes, or are thesesN present in modern 8086s but just not used by Windows ? Are there *REALLY* someB show stoppers that prevent VMS from being ported to today's 8086 ?  L How different will Hammer be from the 8086 ? Will it also lack the adressing modes VMS needs ?O   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:36:12 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>6 Subject: RE: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?0 Message-ID: <01C29F77.5838D780@sulfer.icius.com>  C I want VMS on Hammer. In fact I think we /need/ VMS on Hammer. It'soG purely my opinion, but I think IA64 is a doomed experiment, and if it'shE VMS's only platform then we're going down with it. Hammer is at leastME backwards compatible with 8x86; it's a direct descendant. We saw withv@ Alpha that the 8x86 market was hard to get into even with a well? respected chip. IA64's a laughing stock to many, and it's got ayE widespread reputation for being slow whether it's true or not. Not ane
 easy sell.  H I find it interesting that the games community is already rumbling aboutE Hammer, and some fairly influential people are saying they're lookinga@ forward to buying either Opterons or Athlon64's when they becomeC available. I haven't seen word one about Itanium. Hammer has a muchi9 bigger potential market already, from where I'm standing.    Shaneg   -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca]e( Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:13 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?     David Webb wrote:1K > IA32 is as much on death row as ALPHA. VMS is being ported to Intel's newn > architecture IA64.    F IA64 is not intel's "new" architecture and it looks like it will never become.gD It is HP's proprietary architecture with a few others bending to the Intel F blackmail and stating that they might make a few IA643 boxes later on.  G Intel has admitted that IA64 woN't be a desktop chip. They have alreadye  downsized their dream big time.   E And *IF* Hammer takes off, then IA64 will truly be relegated to HP-UX- TandemH and VMS, assuming Carly isn't kicked out and they decide to stop wasting efforts on a losing platform.I  F What VMS needs is to be ported to a polular, high volume platform. And righte now, IA32 is it.  E Do modern 8086s running at 3ghz really still lack the 4 modes, or ares theset@ present in modern 8086s but just not used by Windows ? Are there
 *REALLY* somerB show stoppers that prevent VMS from being ported to today's 8086 ?  B How different will Hammer be from the 8086 ? Will it also lack the	 adressing  modes VMS needs ?n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:11:28 -05003 From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> I Subject: Re: Problem with HSZ50 (access to the CLI from the console port)i6 Message-ID: <cScJ9.64770$bq3.50242@news.bellsouth.net>  E Battery drain kills the s/n.  Replacing the controller or running the4F Dangerous command is the only way to fix it.  See if Digital/Compaq/HP Support will share the secret.  - "Manser" <nmanser@progis.de> wrote in message07 news:2178d61f.0212090251.5d7bd2e7@posting.google.com...l@ > "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> wrote in message0 news:<OnTI9.5315$X%3.4507@news.bellsouth.net>...L > > There is a top secret way to do the S/N load.  It's too DANGEROUS to say
 > > more. . .n > >e >oJ > when i will have used all the means of getting it OK (new ECB Batteries)A > it will be an issue to try this top secret way to load the S/N.p >i > : > > "Wilko Bulte" <wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl> wrote in message< > > news:3df3c689$0$2229$e4fe514c@dreader6.news.xs4all.nl...H > > > In <3DF1AA48.1041166@kolumbus.fi> Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?=& > >  <Veli.Korkko@kolumbus.fi> writes: > > >p > > > >Manser wrote: > > > >>4 > > > >> nmanser@progis.de (Manser) wrote in message> > >  news:<2178d61f.0212051622.1901f7e0@posting.google.com>...G > > > >> > Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote ine messagef@ > >  news:<4cfd969e4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>...I > > > >> > > In message <2178d61f.0212011011.3a02a8e7@posting.google.com>18 > > > >> > >           nmanser@progis.de (Manser) wrote: > > > >> > >K > > > >> > > > Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in H > >  message news:<0517399d4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>... > > > >> > > > > In messager1 <2178d61f.0211281413.31cbdaa4@posting.google.com>e > >r > > > >> Example: & > > > >> HSZ> set this prompt="HSZ02>"G > > > >> Error 4090: Module has invalid serial number.  This controller0 cannot > >  be used > > >uK > > > Bad news, you probably at some time have suffered a disconnect of theZ7 > > > lithium battery that powers the non-volatile RAM.2 > > >.J > > > There is no field-tool to reprogram the serial#, as the serial# were used  > > > to verify warranty claims. > > >q7 > > > All HSZ50 are out of warranty of course by now ;)e > > >k > > > W? > > >a > > > --) > > > |   / o / /_  _   wilko@FreeBSD.orgn > > > |/|/ / / /(  (_)  Bultea   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:52:55 GMTu( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>Y Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup - No   thanks > Message-ID: <Xg8J9.12051$uJ5.1123648@twister.southeast.rr.com>  K I totally understand.  I shouldd have made it clearer on the signup form to I begin with.  I hadn't heard from anyone so I figured nobody had a problemh with the questions.f   --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.org.        . "Jim Agnew" <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote in message! news:3DF50E6F.15970AB8@vcu.edu...nH > Sorry 'bout that...  I get riled when people over ask me for my ssn..." > and you are NOT in that league.. >l > Jimb >  >r >b > Ken Farmer wrote:o > >nH > > I'm not tracking, sell or doing anything with that info.  I was justG > > curious.  I'm notified when I get a new subscriber and I delete the  messagesD > > after that.  There is no information.  Only when I first get the > > notification./ > >L9 > > Relax guys.  I'm not some money crubbing sellout.  :)- > >- > > -- > >, > > Kenneth Farmer > > http://www.Tru64.org > > http://www.OpenVMS.org > > http://www.LinuxHPC.orgt > >a5 > > "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message9. > > news:01C29F71.85EDCBF0@sulfer.icius.com...I > > > And would you care to dump the now unnecessary tidbits of info fromnJ > > > people who registered earlier? Like me for example? I like as littleL > > > personal information as possible out there about me, even when I trustA > > > the keeper. Sounds like there are others like me out there.a > > >s > > > Shaneo > > >e  > > > -----Original Message-----3 > > > From: Ken Farmer [mailto:kfarmer@openvms.org]s/ > > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:46 AMi > > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComkG > > > Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderatedr > > > newsgroup - No thanks! > > >  > > >d6 > > > Just trying to see who's getting the newsletter. > > >d2 > > > I just chopped off most of it.  Take a look: > > >fC > > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registrationc > > >- > > > You like?- > > >- > > > -- > > >9 > > > Kenneth Farmer > > > http://www.OpenVMS.org > > >k > > >o > > >oC > > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messageD/ > > > news:3DF17F09.A0F0F08C@vl.videotron.ca...b > > > > Ken Farmer wrote:mG > > > > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration1 > > > >sL > > > >  For an email newsletter you sure ask for a lot of personal details. Whyi	 > > > noth+ > > > > ask for type/"colour of underwear ?e > > >a > > >-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:55:38 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>Y Subject: RE: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup - No  thanks!20 Message-ID: <01C29F71.85EDCBF0@sulfer.icius.com>  C And would you care to dump the now unnecessary tidbits of info from D people who registered earlier? Like me for example? I like as littleF personal information as possible out there about me, even when I trust; the keeper. Sounds like there are others like me out there.n   Shane    -----Original Message------ From: Ken Farmer [mailto:kfarmer@openvms.org]r) Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:46 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderatedi newsgroup - No thanks!    0 Just trying to see who's getting the newsletter.  , I just chopped off most of it.  Take a look:  = http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration2  	 You like?1   --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.OpenVMS.org      = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messager) news:3DF17F09.A0F0F08C@vl.videotron.ca...o > Ken Farmer wrote:oA > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registrationt > J >  For an email newsletter you sure ask for a lot of personal details. Why nota% > ask for type/"colour of underwear ?n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:36:27 GMT ( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>Y Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup - No  thanks!f> Message-ID: <f97J9.12039$uJ5.1108688@twister.southeast.rr.com>  D I'm not tracking, sell or doing anything with that info.  I was justL curious.  I'm notified when I get a new subscriber and I delete the messages@ after that.  There is no information.  Only when I first get the
 notification.e  5 Relax guys.  I'm not some money crubbing sellout.  :):   --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.orge        1 "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in messageH* news:01C29F71.85EDCBF0@sulfer.icius.com...E > And would you care to dump the now unnecessary tidbits of info fromhF > people who registered earlier? Like me for example? I like as littleH > personal information as possible out there about me, even when I trust= > the keeper. Sounds like there are others like me out there.s >w > Shanem >  > -----Original Message-----/ > From: Ken Farmer [mailto:kfarmer@openvms.org] + > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:46 AMn > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com:C > Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderatedH > newsgroup - No thanks! >5 >02 > Just trying to see who's getting the newsletter. >l. > I just chopped off most of it.  Take a look: > ? > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration2 >i > You like?f >  > -- >e > Kenneth Farmer > http://www.OpenVMS.org >  >p >,? > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagee+ > news:3DF17F09.A0F0F08C@vl.videotron.ca...d > > Ken Farmer wrote:hC > > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration  > >.L > >  For an email newsletter you sure ask for a lot of personal details. Why > not ' > > ask for type/"colour of underwear ?p >l >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:13:49 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>hY Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup - No thanks! h& Message-ID: <3DF4EB6D.910C059@vcu.edu>  D I have to vote with Shane, I want NO part of tracking me or data out# there that is not really needed..  i   Shane Smith wrote: > E > And would you care to dump the now unnecessary tidbits of info from F > people who registered earlier? Like me for example? I like as littleH > personal information as possible out there about me, even when I trust= > the keeper. Sounds like there are others like me out there.M >  > Shanec >  > -----Original Message-----/ > From: Ken Farmer [mailto:kfarmer@openvms.org] + > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:46 AM- > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com C > Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderatedc > newsgroup - No thanks! > 2 > Just trying to see who's getting the newsletter. > . > I just chopped off most of it.  Take a look: > ? > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registrationn >  > You like?  >  > -- >  > Kenneth Farmer > http://www.OpenVMS.org > ? > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagea+ > news:3DF17F09.A0F0F08C@vl.videotron.ca...@ > > Ken Farmer wrote: C > > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration0 > >3L > >  For an email newsletter you sure ask for a lot of personal details. Why > notr' > > ask for type/"colour of underwear ?I   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:43:11 -0500n! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>rY Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup - No thanks! a' Message-ID: <3DF50E6F.15970AB8@vcu.edu>i  F Sorry 'bout that...  I get riled when people over ask me for my ssn...  and you are NOT in that league..   Jim#       Ken Farmer wrote:> > F > I'm not tracking, sell or doing anything with that info.  I was justN > curious.  I'm notified when I get a new subscriber and I delete the messagesB > after that.  There is no information.  Only when I first get the > notification.  > 7 > Relax guys.  I'm not some money crubbing sellout.  :)o >  > -- >  > Kenneth Farmer > http://www.Tru64.org > http://www.OpenVMS.org > http://www.LinuxHPC.orgw > 3 > "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in messageH, > news:01C29F71.85EDCBF0@sulfer.icius.com...G > > And would you care to dump the now unnecessary tidbits of info fromEH > > people who registered earlier? Like me for example? I like as littleJ > > personal information as possible out there about me, even when I trust? > > the keeper. Sounds like there are others like me out there.n > >e	 > > Shane  > >  > > -----Original Message-----1 > > From: Ken Farmer [mailto:kfarmer@openvms.org],- > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:46 AMf > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComVE > > Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderatedu > > newsgroup - No thanks! > >0 > >04 > > Just trying to see who's getting the newsletter. > >e0 > > I just chopped off most of it.  Take a look: > >eA > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration  > >-
 > > You like?- > >- > > -- > >u > > Kenneth Farmer > > http://www.OpenVMS.org > >" > >t > >lA > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message9- > > news:3DF17F09.A0F0F08C@vl.videotron.ca...A > > > Ken Farmer wrote:cE > > > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration  > > >rN > > >  For an email newsletter you sure ask for a lot of personal details. Why > > nott) > > > ask for type/"colour of underwear ?o > >  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:15:41 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>oY Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderated newsgroup - No thanks!  ' Message-ID: <3DF4EBDD.E9FFCC9B@vcu.edu>t  F sorry... from the title I'd thought that this was in respect to making? cov a moderated newsgroup...  I *read* way to fast sometimes...    Jimn   Jim Agnew wrote: > F > I have to vote with Shane, I want NO part of tracking me or data out# > there that is not really needed..  >  > Shane Smith wrote: > >bG > > And would you care to dump the now unnecessary tidbits of info fromiH > > people who registered earlier? Like me for example? I like as littleJ > > personal information as possible out there about me, even when I trust? > > the keeper. Sounds like there are others like me out there.  > > 	 > > Shane  > >2 > > -----Original Message-----1 > > From: Ken Farmer [mailto:kfarmer@openvms.org] - > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:46 AMn > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComtE > > Subject: Re: Request for Discussion, make comp.os.vms a moderatedr > > newsgroup - No thanks! > >i4 > > Just trying to see who's getting the newsletter. > >m0 > > I just chopped off most of it.  Take a look: > > A > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registrationp > >e
 > > You like?. > >h > > -- > >u > > Kenneth Farmer > > http://www.OpenVMS.org > >mA > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messaget- > > news:3DF17F09.A0F0F08C@vl.videotron.ca...  > > > Ken Farmer wrote:-E > > > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registrationr > > >nN > > >  For an email newsletter you sure ask for a lot of personal details. Why > > not ) > > > ask for type/"colour of underwear ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:56:28 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>p Subject: Re: TCL for OpenVMS; Message-ID: <wJcJ9.5923$VA5.972362@news1.news.adelphia.net>r   Jakob Erber wrote: > B > Is there a TCL package existing for OpenVMS AXP, which does not < > require Multinet? (We do not indent to use sockets in TCL)  I  From what I can see the write ups for the TCL port that is available at  5 a link mentioned in this thread is a bit out of date.t  C It may just work, or it may need some simple edits to make it work.o   -Johni wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyt   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2002 22:02:39 -0800w- From: pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis)a Subject: Re: TCL for OpenVMS< Message-ID: <e54adf36.0212092202.87c0aac@posting.google.com>   Jakob-  F good news is "yes, there is". Bad news is that all TCL available is of version 8.07   Here are your choices:= Choice1: This is my favorite and it is close to your home :-)e. Look at: ftp://ftp.prs.de/pub/packages/tclvms/D Now this one definitely works with UCX/Compaq TCPIP. It appears thatF the site includes 3 versions of tcl 8.0 (each one with fixes but basedA on same Tcl) and one version of Tk 8.0; the latest version of Tcl B works great on my alpha (v7.3-1) but the tk does not compile/buildB properly. I did a small hack to solve the problem but it does workD 100% correctly (e.g. when I start wish I cannot type anything on theC command line but running "wish -f junk" works ok. If anyone can getn" this working please let me know...  F Choice2:  ftp://sapodilla.rsmas.miami.edu/pub/VMS-tcl/tcl8.0p2-tk8.0p2A [I do not know if this one requires Multinet; this was the latest 3 contribution of Angel Li and is dated back in 1998.n  > I am VERY interested in Tcl/Tk on VMS but the response on thisE newsgroup time after time has been rather low which seems to indicate / that others do not share the same enthusiasm...   
 Kind regards,> Petros ---: Dr. Petros Dafniotis Senior Research Engineer pdafniotis@yahoo.com  R "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> wrote in message news:<3df482b5$1@news.post.ch>... > Hello, > H > I know, this question has been discussed before, but I was not able to) > retreive a final answer to my question:  > I > Is there a TCL package existing for OpenVMS AXP, which does not requiree4 > Multinet? (We do not indent to use sockets in TCL) >  > best regards >  > Jakobf   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:50:30 -0500> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>$ Subject: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...M Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D032C3F28@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>i  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FCC.FE12B9A0n Content-Type: text/plain;m 	charset="iso-8859-1"l  K Anyone using an application on OpenVMS Alpha that takes UPS information andhK creates UPS Maxicode (www.maxicode.com) bitmap image, PCL or postscript forc	 printing?c  L I currently do barcode printing of 3 of 9 code to Intermec printers, but nowD there is a requirement to output UPS Maxicode.  We are looking for aJ solution that runs on OpenVMS, rather than on another platform and have to$ integrate it into the print process.  H I have come across Peernet at www.peernet.com , which according to their
 website...  L "Enterprise Labeling has been developed in 100% Java, and can operate on anyL Java 2 platform running a Java Enterprise Application Server or Java ServletJ Runner - such as Tomcat, BEA WebLogic, Apache-JServ, Allaire JRun, InpriseL Application Server, or IBM WebSphere Application Server. As well, EnterpriseL Labeling is platform independent, and has been tested on the Solaris, Linux,  MAC OS X, and Windows platforms. ""  H This leads me to believe that I would need Java(tm) 2 Enterprise EditionF (J2EE) that would come from one of the middleware companies mentioned,I rather than Java(tm) 2 Standard Edition (J2SE).   With J2EE, then Peernet  might have a solution.  G Any other solutions out there?  And do you think my chain of thought isd) correct on having J2EE for Peernet stuff?I  L Ultimately, I guess I will have to contact Peernet on their solution, but itG would be nice to know of other solutions or if anyone is using their's.o   Thanks in advance.   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
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 5.5.2654.19">e* <TITLE>UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...</TITLE> </HEAD>n <BODY>  E <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Anyone using an application on OpenVMS Alpha that =)C takes UPS information and creates UPS Maxicode (www.maxicode.com) =s8 bitmap image, PCL or postscript for printing?</FONT></P>  E <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I currently do barcode printing of 3 of 9 code to =rA Intermec printers, but now there is a requirement to output UPS = E Maxicode.&nbsp; We are looking for a solution that runs on OpenVMS, =0I rather than on another platform and have to integrate it into the print =  process.</FONT></P>b  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have come across Peernet at www.peernet.com , which =n$ according to their website...</FONT> </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;Enterprise Labeling has been developed in 100% =H Java, and can operate on any Java 2 platform running a Java Enterprise =A Application Server or Java Servlet Runner - such as Tomcat, BEA =nF WebLogic, Apache-JServ, Allaire JRun, Inprise Application Server, or =C IBM WebSphere Application Server. As well, Enterprise Labeling is =aI platform independent, and has been tested on the Solaris, Linux, MAC OS = $ X, and Windows platforms.</FONT></P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;</FONT>" </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>This leads me to believe that I would need Java(tm) 2 =IF Enterprise Edition (J2EE) that would come from one of the middleware => companies mentioned, rather than Java(tm) 2 Standard Edition =: (J2SE).&nbsp;&nbsp; With J2EE, then Peernet might have a = solution.</FONT></P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Any other solutions out there?&nbsp; And do you think =hG my chain of thought is correct on having J2EE for Peernet stuff?</FONT>w </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ultimately, I guess I will have to contact Peernet on = G their solution, but it would be nice to know of other solutions or if = # anyone is using their's.</FONT></P>l  + <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks in advance.</FONT>H </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>:) jck</FONT>a$ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Koska</FONT>: <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Matthew Bender &amp; Co., Inc. -</FONT>A <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; A Member of the LexisNexis Group</FONT>u' <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>1275 Broadway</FONT> 0 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Albany, NY&nbsp; 12204</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>USA</FONT> & <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>518-487-3255</FONT>7 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>John.C.Koska@nospambender.com</FONT>v </P>   </BODY>  </HTML>e) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FCC.FE12B9A0--    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:10:17 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...0 Message-ID: <00A1832E.53C9A0BE@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D032C3F28@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>, "Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com> writes:K >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understands= >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.t > ( >------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FCC.FE12B9A0 >Content-Type: text/plain; >	charset="iso-8859-1" > L >Anyone using an application on OpenVMS Alpha that takes UPS information andL >creates UPS Maxicode (www.maxicode.com) bitmap image, PCL or postscript for
 >printing?  I Of course, the "specifications" link at this site doesn't lead one to the  code's specifcations.  o  K If you can find a specification for maxicode, please let me know.  I'd loveb to code up PostScript for it.P   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMy             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 23:34:30 +0100"9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ( Subject: Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...' Message-ID: <3DF51A76.4B21AE57@aaa.com>-   You could always start here :2   http://www.maxicode.com/   Jan-Erik Sderholm  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > M > If you can find a specification for maxicode, please let me know.  I'd lovea > to code up PostScript for it.m >r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:35:33 -0500> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>( Subject: RE: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...M Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D032C3F2A@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>2  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FD3.48F421B0k Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"u  ? It looks like a document of 11/96) ANSI/AIM BC10 International e7 Symbology Specification - MaxiCode can be purchased at:   ( http://www.aimi.org/aimstore/default.asp  J Did my first post on this topic come through in MIME, as indicated in your reply?  L I am using Outlook and under Tools-Option-Mail Format, I have Plain Text for	 outgoing.BH It appeared as plain text when I composed the email, and under Format... plain text was 1
 check marked.r   L If it came through MIME, my apologies.   Any ideas, anyone, on getting it to be plain text?G Is it possible my Exchange server is over-ridding my selection somehow?    :) jck   > -----Original Message-----B > From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG]) > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:10 PMe > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn* > Subject: Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS... >  > 
 > In article o@ > <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D032C3F28@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.CG > OM>, "Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com> writes: ? > >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does   > not understand? > >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.e > >s* > >------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FCC.FE12B9A0 > >Content-Type: text/plain; > >	charset="iso-8859-1" > >d? > >Anyone using an application on OpenVMS Alpha that takes UPS   > information and @ > >creates UPS Maxicode (www.maxicode.com) bitmap image, PCL or  > postscript for > >printing? > < > Of course, the "specifications" link at this site doesn't  > lead one to the  > code's specifcations.    > > > If you can find a specification for maxicode, please let me  > know.  I'd love  > to code up PostScript for it.n >  > --9 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     m > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
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 5.5.2654.19"> . <TITLE>RE: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...</TITLE> </HEAD>r <BODY>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It looks like a document of 11/96) ANSI/AIM BC10 = International </FONT>IH <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Symbology Specification - MaxiCode can be purchased =
 at:</FONT> </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2><A HREF=3D"http://www.aimi.org/aimstore/default.asp" =E TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.aimi.org/aimstore/default.asp</A></FONT>m </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Did my first post on this topic come through in MIME, = " as indicated in your reply?</FONT> </P>  B <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I am using Outlook and under Tools-Option-Mail =. Format, I have Plain Text for outgoing.</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>It appeared as plain text when I composed the email, =0* and under Format... plain text was </FONT>' <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>check marked.</FONT> ! <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; </FONT>tG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>If it came through MIME, my apologies.&nbsp;&nbsp; = 9 Any ideas, anyone, on getting it to be plain text?</FONT>vI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Is it possible my Exchange server is over-ridding my =s selection somehow?</FONT>M </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>:) jck</FONT>n </P>  8 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>< <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [<A =I HREF=3D"mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG">mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG=  </A>]</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:10 PM</FONT>8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>' <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>r* <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; In article </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = I &lt;3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D032C3F28@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.C</FONT>=R  F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; OM&gt;, &quot;Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB)&quot; =2 &lt;John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com&gt; writes:</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;This message is in MIME format. Since your = mail reader does </FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; not understand</FONT>rF <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;this format, some or all of this message = may not be legible.</FONT># <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = 4 &gt;------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C29FCC.FE12B9A0</FONT>< <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;Content-Type: text/plain;</FONT>6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =' charset=3D&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;</FONT>T# <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>aD <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;Anyone using an application on OpenVMS = Alpha that takes UPS </FONT>. <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; information and</FONT>E <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;creates UPS Maxicode (www.maxicode.com) =s bitmap image, PCL or </FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; postscript for</FONT>s, <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;printing?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT> H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Of course, the &quot;specifications&quot; link = at this site doesn't </FONT>. <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; lead one to the</FONT>; <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; code's specifcations.&nbsp; </FONT>h <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>iG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; If you can find a specification for maxicode, =  please let me </FONT> 3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; know.&nbsp; I'd love</FONT> < <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; to code up PostScript for it.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>V! <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; --</FONT>sC <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: =t( AAA-0001&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>7 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM</FONT>f <BR><FONT =@I SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=e ;&nbsp; </FONT>5G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Well my son, life is like a =d" beanstalk, isn't it?&quot; </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>e </P>   </BODY>i </HTML>e) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FD3.48F421B0--    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 23:47:47 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>e( Subject: Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...2 Message-ID: <3DF52ABF.7E666684@firstdbasource.com>  # > "Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB)" wrote:  >  > H > If it came through MIME, my apologies.   Any ideas, anyone, on getting > it to be plain text?@ > Is it possible my Exchange server is over-ridding my selection
 > somehow? > >n   don't use MS products :)   -- o Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163c7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:11:05 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...0 Message-ID: <00A18347.953AD384@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <3DF51A76.4B21AE57@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  >You could always start here : >R >http://www.maxicode.com/a >M >Jan-Erik Sderholm-    L If you'd have read the entire *two* sentences, you see that I did visit that: site and the specification link there leads to a dead end.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:43:50 -0500i0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS.../ Message-ID: <3DF554E4.DE7D714A@vl.videotron.ca>e  # > "Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB)" wrote:iN > I am using Outlook and under Tools-Option-Mail Format, I have Plain Text for > outgoing.l  L Your message came though as a message with 2 attachements. A text one and anM html replica of the text. You you arte more than doubling the traffic on your M system by sending the real message foloowed by a bastardized and bloated HTML  version of the same text.e  $ Content-Type: multipart/alternative;   The bodypart of message was: ##J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ##   The first attachement was: ## Content-Type: text/plain;d 	charset="iso-8859-1"h  ? It looks like a document of 11/96) ANSI/AIM BC10 International o7 Symbology Specification - MaxiCode can be purchased at:a	 <etc etc>  ##   The second attachement was:n Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"a+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablet  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">d <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =4 charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2654.19">t. <TITLE>RE: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...</TITLE> </HEAD>e <BODY>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It looks like a document of 11/96) ANSI/AIM BC10 = International </FONT> H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Symbology Specification - MaxiCode can be purchased =
 at:</FONT> </P> <etc> <etc> <etc>n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 03:41:09 GMTn, From: "Ken Randell" <ken.randell@fortel.com>( Subject: Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...6 Message-ID: <pndJ9.4492$cn2.1283@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>  L If I read this right & you can use Tomcat, then why not try CSWS 1.3 runningL on VMS 7.3-1 and the Tomcat server (2.0 I think).  I don't know what minimumJ version your maxicode requires, but CSWS & Tomcat are free (well, with the, OS anyway).  It might be worth looking into.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:53:06 -0500o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: UPS maxicode and OpenVMS...L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1012020053060001@user-2ive3t1.dialup.mindspring.com>  
 In articleJ <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D032C3F2A@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>, "Koska,7 John C. (LNG-ALB)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com> wrote:a  K >Did my first post on this topic come through in MIME, as indicated in yourh >reply?  >eM >I am using Outlook and under Tools-Option-Mail Format, I have Plain Text for 
 >outgoing.I >It appeared as plain text when I composed the email, and under Format...4 >plain text was  >check marked. >  cM >If it came through MIME, my apologies.   Any ideas, anyone, on getting it tom >be plain text?oH >Is it possible my Exchange server is over-ridding my selection somehow?   Yup, it was MIME.   H AFAIK, the combination of Outhouse client and Exhume server simply can'tJ send plain text email.  The closest I've come (using the same settings youC mentioned) actually sends quoted-printable encoded text.  I suspect4= Outhouse is the culprit, but I won't put anything past Exhume>  J I've previously offered 100 quatloos to the first person to tell me how toH configure that microslop nest of vipers to send plain text messages.  SoG far, my quatloos are still resting safely in the First National Bank ofa Triskellion.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:05:44 -0500> From: "Ray Fusci" <rxfxuxsxcxix(at)xcxhxaxrxtxexrx(dot)xnxext>' Subject: Re: Using old VRT19-HA Monitors/ Message-ID: <uva87r3lk10edb@corp.supernews.com>   B One cable that you can use has DEC part# BC13L-10. It has five BNC connectors:eI Red, Green, Blue, White (horizontal Sync) and Black (Vertical Sync).  Youh+ can just leave the Black and White hanging.2  K The greater challenge is to find a video card (or adapters) that will drive  the E monitor. It will need to support "Sync on Green," and it will need to  support thefK (fixed) frequencies available on the monitor. IIRC, there was more than one A monitor badged as a VRT19-HA. I believe the GDM-1961 and GDM-2039-	 were two.-  F I believe the VRT19-HA does 66 or 72 Hz, 1280x1024. You'll need to see. which monitor you have, and look up its specs.  < The VRT19-HA does NOT do VGA, so you wouldn't be able to see> DOS boot screens, for example. Makes it of limited usefulness.  H You'd be better off trading it to someone who is using a 5-BNC multisync6 monitor on his VAX or Alpha. Then you'd both be happy.   regards,    . "VAXVMS" <bounce@notmail.com> wrote in messageE news:BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BA8@rlghncst964.usps.gov.... > 3 > The VRT-17s have Sony Trinitron tubes inside 'em. 8 > And wall-to-wall metal shielding surrounding the tube. >g2 > I suspect the same is true for the 19s, but I've$ > never had occasion to open one up. >b5 > Definitely a superior level of construction than isr( > the norm forthings manufactured today. >.; > A 3 BNC => VGA adapter does exist- I'm virtually positives) > that it's mentioned in the OpenVMS FAQ.e >h< > Also if you websearch on "BNC to VGA" and/or "VGA to BNC",8 > you'll get a large number of hits for places that have	 > cables.l >t > WWWebb > =========================  > I had one of those >u" > They are a sony, and very heavy.  > Spent ages looking ofr a cable- > for it. Didn't have the skill/understanding  > on how to make my own. >5# > Eventually after four house moves ! > I sadly had to through it away.c > Worked great on my VAX 4000 	 > though.w >r > not really any help sorryr >a > kiwi >e > = > "Jack Trachtman" <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> wrote in messagem9 > news:69d784c4.0211291505.336a34f5@posting.google.com...r; > > Can anyone tell me if I can use an old VRT19-HA monitor 9 > > with one of the newer graphics cards (some version ofl > > a Number 9 card)?s > > 7 > > The monitor takes an RGB cable (only 3 wires).  Anyn2 > > idea where to get a conversion cable?  Thanks. >s > ========================" > William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS > OpenVMS Support Services( > 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800< > 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.681 ************************