1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 12 Dec 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 685       Contents:A Re: "OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies" book on eBay A Re: "OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies" book on eBay A Re: "OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies" book on eBay A Re: "OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies" book on eBay " Re: Andrew repats his same old FUD BIND Resolver cache flush time" Re: BIND Resolver cache flush time Re: EV7 Performance benchmarks Re: EV7 Performance benchmarks RE: EV7 Performance benchmarks
 Re: eXcursion + Re: How many HSG80 targets can a node mount ' RE: Is a process bound to only one CPU? ' RE: Is a process bound to only one CPU? ' Re: Is a process bound to only one CPU? ' Re: Is a process bound to only one CPU?  Re: MAIL redirection+ OT: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today. - Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular? - Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular? - Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  RE: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting PostgreSQL to VMS  Pricing for TCPIP on DS10  Re: Pricing for TCPIP on DS10  Problems sending email to HP ?" Re: Problems sending email to HP ?" Re: Problems sending email to HP ? Re: Silly HP zx6000 question RE: Silly HP zx6000 question SMTP just stopped working? Re: SMTP just stopped working?! sys$wake returns after long delay % Re: sys$wake returns after long delay  Re: TCL for OpenVMS $ VMS Contract openings in Boston area( Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSS( Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSS. Re: What judge thinks of Capellas and WorldCon. Re: What judge thinks of Capellas and WorldConI [ANN] LORIA ANNOUNCES RELEASE 1.0 OF SMARTEIFFEL, THE GNU EIFFEL COMPILER B RE: [Q] Detecting client disconnects from UCX/TCP server by Server  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:53:24 +0000 (UTC) / From: "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> J Subject: Re: "OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies" book on eBay0 Message-ID: <at8c4k$rrb$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  5 The lengths people will go to to make a quick buck...     1 "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message % news:00A184C8.83E4D0ED.10@decus.de... # > "donny" <donny@canada.com> wrote:  > K > > The book "OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies" is being sold  > > on eBay. > > A > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2079814396  > > D > > The starting bid is US $0.55.  Auction ends Dec-13-02 14:03 PST. > 7 > Apparently you can still get it for free from Compaq:  > 1 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/dummies_book.html  > 	 > Michael    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 2002 02:30:05 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)J Subject: Re: "OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies" book on eBay6 Message-ID: <at8sbd$11s5sf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  1 In article <111220020957392716%donny@canada.com>, ! 	donny <donny@canada.com> writes: I > The book "OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies" is being sold 
 > on eBay. > ? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2079814396  > B > The starting bid is US $0.55.  Auction ends Dec-13-02 14:03 PST.  4 I've got a copy.  At $0.55 it is already overpriced.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 2002 02:31:23 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)J Subject: Re: "OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies" book on eBay6 Message-ID: <at8sdq$11s5sf$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  8 In article <8poevugs7uu4bqgf90071dhv3p79371pib@4ax.com>,( 	Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:E > On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:57:39 -0500, donny <donny@canada.com> wrote:  > I >>The book "OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies" is being sold 
 >>on eBay. >>? >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2079814396  >>B >>The starting bid is US $0.55.  Auction ends Dec-13-02 14:03 PST. > ; > Unless all copies are gone you can get them free from HP.   ! That might be overpriced as well.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:12:24 -0600 2 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>J Subject: Re: "OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies" book on eBay/ Message-ID: <uvga765g984d70@corp.supernews.com>   5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message 0 news:at8sbd$11s5sf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...3 > In article <111220020957392716%donny@canada.com>, " > donny <donny@canada.com> writes:K > > The book "OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies" is being sold  > > on eBay. > > A > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2079814396  > > D > > The starting bid is US $0.55.  Auction ends Dec-13-02 14:03 PST. > 6 > I've got a copy.  At $0.55 it is already overpriced. >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  L Yes, HP is still shipping them; I got one last month. Having read it, I willJ give it to whoever wants it that will pay shipping. To a technical person,D this book doesn't contain any really useful information (no detail).  K If someone is silly enough to take me up on my offer (silly because HP will > send it for free and pay the postage), please reply via email.   Stuart Johnson ssj152 AT charter DOT net    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2002 13:17:53 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)+ Subject: Re: Andrew repats his same old FUD = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0212111317.56fe15da@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3DF7555F.80409@nospamn.sun.com>...  > Bob Koehler wrote:\ > > In article <3DF5B755.1080306@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: > >  > >>Real-Time ???? > >>7 > >>Really describe how OpenVMS's support for real time  > >>differs from say Solaris's.  > >  > > L > >    1)  Define real-time.  I know of at least 3 definitions, one of which, > >       is peculiar to spacecraft control. > > 3 > >    When I say real-time I mean:                 2 > >       1) likely to have a high interrupt rate L > >       2) the existence of an I/O stream which in completely unbuffered, L > >       	 if you don't keep up with it data is lost and by definition the " > >       	 application has failed > > J > >    We use both Solaris and VMS (as well as others) for these types of I > >    applictions.  For Solaris we must have a dedicated system on no or K > >    an isolated network.  For VMS we can do anything else we want on the J > >    same system at the same time, as long as we get competing real-timeH > >    processes straightened out.  This despite using processors on newH > >    Suns that should outperform our old VAXen by at least an order ofH > >    magnitude.  Why can't Solaris keep up with all that horsepower to > >    help it out?  > > : > You are going to have to be more specific, are you using: > the Solaris real time scheduler class for you processes.: > Are you using mlock to lock your real time process pages > into memory etc etc ? 6 > Are you using threads and if so what scheduling have > you used for the threads.   D you still don't get it Andrew ... slowaris like all other unix/linuxD os's are so convuluted you have to jump thru so many hoops and spendB x amount more time to try to get it to do 50% of the time what VMSA can do every time and do it more efficiently ... you garbage unix D platform is convuluted and expensive Andrew ... there is a much more7 simpler and powerful solution, and it is called VMS ...    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2002 14:46:50 -0800. From: kuzishchin@yahoo.com (Kirill Kuzishchin)' Subject: BIND Resolver cache flush time = Message-ID: <8cab880b.0212111446.1a18c4c1@posting.google.com>   = Does somebody know how often BIND resolver flushes its cache?  Or how to force it to do that?  @ I have OpenVMS 7.3-1 and TCPIP_ECO V5.3-181 without BIND server.  / I created a local host entry for my PC on VMS:  +   TCPIP> SET HOST KIRILL/ADDRESS=10.2.55.22   ? Then I initiated TELNET session from my PC and logged into VMS.       KIRILL_$ show terminal       ........ ,    Remote Port Info: Host: KIRILL Port: 2827   Then I deleted the host: TCPIP> SET NOHOST KIRILL  2 But BIND Resolver keeps it somewhere in its cache.D When I login from my PC now I can still see "Remote Port Info: Host: KIRILL"   F My PC uses DHCP server to get an IP address and when the current leaseA expires somebody else can get my current IP address (10.2.55.22).   C But BIND resolver (if it does not flush its cache) will keep KIRILL % name for that IP address(10.2.55.22).   2 How how to force BIND Resolver to flush its cache?   Thanks,  Kirill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:38:20 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: BIND Resolver cache flush time / Message-ID: <3DF7DA75.B6F6300D@vl.videotron.ca>    Kirill Kuzishchin wrote:0 > I created a local host entry for my PC on VMS:- >   TCPIP> SET HOST KIRILL/ADDRESS=10.2.55.22    > Then I deleted the host: > TCPIP> SET NOHOST KIRILL  0 To have it effect the running system, you need:    TCPIP> SET NOHOST/SYSTEM KIRILL   L  (without the /SYSTEM, change will only take effect when TCPIP is restarted)    H > My PC uses DHCP server to get an IP address and when the current leaseC > expires somebody else can get my current IP address (10.2.55.22).   N TCPIP 5.3 has the ability to dynamically update the DNS database from the DHCPN server. The node name only exists in teh DNS server as long as the lease does.L The DNS part is easy to configure to enable dynamic updates. the DHCP stuff,M you'll have to hardcode the ethernet address of your PC if you want to alwasy M providew the same node name to the same PC, no matter what the IP address is.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:38:52 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: EV7 Performance benchmarks 2 Message-ID: <tPudnX5iM_joI2qgXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:Asp40tX7lrRW@eisner.encompasserve.org... E > In article <ok4evu49vo0eoeb6mak5uig7is8f8u8hcb@4ax.com>, Alan Greig  <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:: > > Following was just posted to comp.arch by Paul DeMone: > >  > > Forwarded Message  > > ===================  > > F > > Here's a brief performance report for a 1.2 GHz, 16 CPU EV7 system@ > > written by some researchers at the Los Alamos national labs. > > 9 > > http://www.c3.lanl.gov/par_arch/pubs/LAUR-02-4850.pdf  > > B > > Here is the reported bandwidth and latency of the EV7's cache/ > > memory hierarchy:  > >  > > L1: 7.77 GB/s, 2 cycles  > > L2: 6.20 GB/s, 12 cycles$ > > local mem: 4.60 GB/s, 106 cycles* > > remote mem: ~3.6 GB/s, 162-290 cycles. > H > So can (and will) someone give the corresponding numbers for an ES45 ? > E > (Yes, I realize there will only be one set of statistics for memory 	 latency.)   I There are at least some numbers for ES45s listed in the reference cited - K e.g., IIRC 170 ns. average memory latency (the tested EV7 system ran at 1.2 H GHz if you want to convert the cycle counts above).  The ES45 L2 latencyL figures (12 cycles and 19 cycles, for 833 MHz and 1 GHz models respectively)J seemed unreasonably good for off-chip cache access, given that next year'sL PA8800's off-chip cache supposedly has 40 ns. access latency (the L1 latency2 figures obviously didn't change from EV68 to EV7).  A The posting at RWT (from ehud) followed some discussion about EV7 G performance that had been occurring there, and elicited some additional 	 comments.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:54:37 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: EV7 Performance benchmarks L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1112022154380001@user-2ive2fc.dialup.mindspring.com>  > In article <tPudnX5iM_joI2qgXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:    > J >There are at least some numbers for ES45s listed in the reference cited -L >e.g., IIRC 170 ns. average memory latency (the tested EV7 system ran at 1.2I >GHz if you want to convert the cycle counts above).  The ES45 L2 latency M >figures (12 cycles and 19 cycles, for 833 MHz and 1 GHz models respectively)   C Something doesn't add up here.  ES45 is offered at 1 and 1.25 GHz.  H Anything about an 833 MHz ES45 must be from something else.  Maybe ES40?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:50:30 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>' Subject: RE: EV7 Performance benchmarks 0 Message-ID: <01C2A146.568DC730@sulfer.icius.com>  = Or it could be an early pre-production piece of kit, perhaps?    Shane    -----Original Message-----B From: rdeininger@mindspring.com [mailto:rdeininger@mindspring.com]* Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:55 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: Re: EV7 Performance benchmarks     > In article <tPudnX5iM_joI2qgXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:    > J >There are at least some numbers for ES45s listed in the reference cited -L >e.g., IIRC 170 ns. average memory latency (the tested EV7 system ran at 1.2I >GHz if you want to convert the cycle counts above).  The ES45 L2 latency M >figures (12 cycles and 19 cycles, for 833 MHz and 1 GHz models respectively)   C Something doesn't add up here.  ES45 is offered at 1 and 1.25 GHz.  H Anything about an 833 MHz ES45 must be from something else.  Maybe ES40?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:04:21 -0500 + From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: eXcursion) Message-ID: <3DF7A855.698DA62D@yahoo.com>    Robert TRAWISKI wrote:  > 	 > Hi all,  > G > I've got PC with WindowsXP /MatroxGraphics MGA-G200 AGP and eXcursion G > Xserver installed. I've configured high color (32 bit per pixel), but 8 > xdpyinfo reports avaiability of only 8 planes visuals. > K > Can anybody know how to change eXcursion configuration to get at least 16  > planes visuals?  >  > Robert    H EXcursion only supports 8 plane visuals.  You'll have to use a different/ X server if you really need other visual types.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:10:49 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com4 Subject: Re: How many HSG80 targets can a node mount? Message-ID: <OFA45BE2D4.2DF50D1E-ON85256C8C.00695475@metso.com>    Cannot open that url  C From:  young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) on 12/11/2002 11:37 AM   7 Please respond to young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)    To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:   7 Subject:    Re: How many HSG80 targets can a node mount     
 In articleI <E4C719674FB8C2A2.FB4518A21DFCB0B6.2539303622E6209D@lp.airnews.net>, "Hal  Kuff" <Kuff@Tessco.Com> writes: C >     Thanxs.. actually I was looking for the total number of units 	 published 
 > by an HSG80 A > `that a 7.2-2 and/or 7.3-1 node can see...  I think there was a 
 limitation > at one time of 30? >   @              128 LUNS per storage system.  See footnotes on page              91:  b http://www.hp.com/products1/storage/products/san/fibreswitches/SAN_Design_RefGuide-AA-RMPNE-TE.pdf    4                                                  Rob   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:06:42 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>0 Subject: RE: Is a process bound to only one CPU?0 Message-ID: <01C2A105.652B9A60@sulfer.icius.com>  F BASIC is not capable of multithreading, and so I doubt you'll ever seeH it use more than one CPU. I suppose you might get some multithreading in7 libraries sat underneath it, but not with that program.    Shane    -----Original Message-----/ From: Syltrem [mailto:syltremzulu@videotron.ca] * Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:27 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com , Subject: Is a process bound to only one CPU?    1 I thought not, but when I run this Basic program:  1 GOTO 1H the process only goes up to 99% CPU consumption, indicating that it only
 uses one CPU.   E What controls that (sysgen parameter, call to system service, etc) or  where  is it explained in the doc?    Thanks!    --   Syltrem ? http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en  fran=E7ais) 8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:00:41 -0500 5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> 0 Subject: RE: Is a process bound to only one CPU?O Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D528A523@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   K um, clusters are not for faster processing (except in certain cases) - they  are for high availability    -----Original Message-----; From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]  + Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:21 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 Subject: Re: Is a process bound to only one CPU?    ? In article <QeIJ9.20671$H67.93641@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" " <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:H > After thinking about it for a good minute or two, it makes sense that G > sequential processing (like my example) cannot be made to run faster  ! > than the speed of a single CPU.   K That is the problem DEC had when they were still trying to build faster VAX J systems. They kept telling people to use clusters and parallel processors,+ but that does not help on sequential tasks.   F > But will the same CPU handle the work for the whole duration of the 
 > process?  J Ideally it would, since that minimizes cache invalidation.  Whether it canF or not depends on how many other processes contend for CPU, what their@ priority is, and what VMS controls you have used to affect this.    I The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and J confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s)L named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agentF responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, anyK review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is J strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theI original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or J instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying$ out such orders and/or instructions.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2002 13:49:32 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: Is a process bound to only one CPU?3 Message-ID: <p02wfbIxaU6e@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <eWHJ9.20668$H67.93638@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:3 > I thought not, but when I run this Basic program: 
 > 1 GOTO 1J > the process only goes up to 99% CPU consumption, indicating that it only > uses one CPU.  > M > What controls that (sysgen parameter, call to system service, etc) or where  > is it explained in the doc?   <    Would you like to explain why you think this algorithm is    parallizeable?    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 2002 00:16:00 GMT# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 0 Subject: Re: Is a process bound to only one CPU?* Message-ID: <at8kg0$ita$3@web1.cup.hp.com>  b In article <eWHJ9.20668$H67.93638@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:2 :I thought not, but when I run this Basic program:	 :1 GOTO 1 I :the process only goes up to 99% CPU consumption, indicating that it only  :uses one CPU.  A   Single-threaded applications cannot exceed the performance of a A   single processor.  Contention can prohibit the application from 4   saturating the capacity of the processor, as well.  =   As this BASIC application is single-threaded, the observed  !   behaviour is entirely expected.   C   The BASIC compiler and various other compilers do not process and B   do not repackage an application program for parallel-processing,A   the programmer must use explicit constructs (threads, multiple  @   processes, etc) to assist in this implementation effort.  This?   effort includes identifying shared data and synchronization,  B   various related coding considerations, and hints to the compilerA   and specifically to the code generator and code compiler -- the <   latter for compilers that can parallelise code, obviously.  G   Some compilers can offer mechanisms to detect potential opportunities E   for parallelism within an application, but (AFAIK) these are not in D   common use.  Various common compilers do provide instruction-level:   scheduling and instruction-level parallelism, of course.  L :What controls that (sysgen parameter, call to system service, etc) or where :is it explained in the doc?  D   For information on parallel processing on OpenVMS, please see the D   OpenVMS Ask The Wizard are topics starting with (1661), and pleaseG   see the DECthreads manual.  Additional related information is present D   in the Programming Concepts manual, part of the documentation set.B   Synchronization, parallel processing, memory caching and relatedD   topics are all quite important here, and potentially quite subtle.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:10:57 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: MAIL redirection / Message-ID: <3DF7A9DF.9A4A1C7D@vl.videotron.ca>    Syltrem wrote:N > I would like to be able to redirect email messages to a specific person (who. > changes every week) by using a logical name.  3 Logical names don't *really* work 100% on vms MAIL.   L > a)    I created 2 distribution list (eventually there may be more than one > person in each) " >        CREATE SOMEDIR:MYSELF.DIS >        smtp%"syltrem@ISP.NET" ' >        CREATE SOMEDIR:SOMEONEELSE.DIS # >        smtp%"someoneelse@ISP.NET"   E To make distribution lists available to SMTP mail, they should be in:  ##" TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON common-directoryJ Specifies the default cluster common directory. By default, SMTP looks forG distribution list (.DIS) and local alias (TCPIP$SMTP_LOCAL_ALIASES.TXT) ' files in the SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP].  ##    G > b)    I defined logical names for these mailing lists for ease of use ; >        $ DEFINE/SYSTEM MAIL_SYLTREM "@SOMEDIR:MYSELF.DIS" D >        $ DEFINE/SYSTEM MAIL_SOMEONEELSE "@SOMEDIR:SOMEONEELSE.DIS"    L Must you have the ability to have more than one person in those distribution lists ?   ( If not, there is a more reliable method:  * MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=PERSON_ON_CALL JDOE then, the next day: . MAIL SET FORWARD/USER=PERSON_ON_CALL JTREMBLAY etc   E This requires SYSPRV. Note that you can have "set forward" entries in  VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA that do  S not have a corresponding VMS account, as long as they point to a valid destination.   G this makes delivery to "PERSON_ON_CALL" work from decnet and SMTP mail.     G >         I would like to send the message to a VMS account, like this: 2 >         to: PERSONONCALL@vmsnodename.company.com  L Not sure of the syntax to access distribution lists, but it might have to be something like  M   "@dislist_name"@vmsnodename.company.com    (many mailers will require fancy > encoding and quoting). (with distlist_name.DIS being a file in TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON directory.  4 >         $ mail sys$input PERSONONCALL /subj="test"L >         %MAIL-E-USERSPEC, invalid user specification '@SOMEDIR:MYSELF.DIS'  I Distribution lists do not work in a set forward situation.  In a VMS mail J environment, both logical names and distribution lists are handled  by theI "client" side of VMS mail, not the delivery side. (eg: while the email is 4 being constructed, not while it is being delivered).   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 02 01:37:03 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 4 Subject: OT: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today.) Message-ID: <KMJicFh2K+t4@elias.decus.ch>   < Totally off topic here. But it is for the record in case the police arrive.  D Coming out of a roundabout on my way home, there's a big slow truck.A The car in front of me shows no intent of passing the truck, so I  pull out and accelerate.  7 Then the car in front of me, when I am half way past it :  decides that it's OK to put the indicator on and just go, without looking in the mirror.  8 OK, I just blasted my way though, and did it IMO safely,8 but twat in the car that I had overtaken went absolutely crazy.  E Then the idiot really tried to act like a terrorist. Zooming past and B trying to make me stop on an unlit country road, trying to reverse> into me at high speed (fortunately I found reverse faster than he did). The man was a psycho.  A Finally I found a petrol station, with witnneses and video there, / so I could stop and talk, stop the harrassment. A Massive shouting match on his part. Very quiet on my part because : I realised I was dealing with someone definitely unstable.  = Sorry folks for something so OT, but please understand that I  want this record on google.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:25:25 +0000 (UTC) 5 From: "John Wallace" <johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk> 6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?0 Message-ID: <at86vk$k5i$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  1 "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message * news:01C2A101.9391F290@sulfer.icius.com... > >  <snip>J > the design theft. If it was, that was e few years ago. I also remember aJ > white paper from Digital pointing out how Itanium's design wasn't suitedH > to adding the stuff that gave Alpha its speed advantage. Anyone have a > link to that one?  >  > Shane   L Do you mean the 1999 paper which compared and contrasted parallelism in EPICF and Alpha? The one which showed up in several places if you google forJ "alpha ia64 parallelism executive summary"? I posted a pointer a couple of weeks ago toK http://www.cs.trinity.edu/~mlewis/CSCI3294-F01/Papers/alpha_ia64.pdf (which C still exists but Google doesn't find today?); Google now also finds E http://www.raytheon-computers.com/ref_docs/alpha_ia64.pdf .Historical J interest only now of course, but you may want to keep a reference copy for
 posterity.   regards  john   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:03:12 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?2 Message-ID: <YSOdnUFp2a60WWqgXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:a9W4s9Ry5dV5@eisner.encompasserve.org...    ...      IA64 will be a valueD > proposition for servers.  tpmC results for HP show each additionalA > CPU in their Itanium server costs $8000 +- a few hundred.  That A > compares to $34000 and change for a Power4 processor looking at F > a p690 tpmC number.  Or $40000 and change per UltraSparc CPU looking > at a Sun tpmH number.   C Ah, yes - those great TPC-C Itanic2 numbers that I always suspected B reflected something other than any kind of superiority in the EPIC
 architecture.   K And guess what?  A 4-processor 2 GHz Xeon system now scores only 3.3% lower K than that 4-processor Itanic2.  The secret?  2 MB of on-chip L3 cache, plus G a good configuration (HP apparently decided it had better give its Xeon L systems the same set-up attention it gave to Itanic2 when a similar IBM Xeon* system started nipping at Itanic's heels).  F And even Xeons with only 1 MB caches are starting to look threatening,K except that none have so far been tested at more than a 1.6 GHz clock speed F (and Xeons are now clocking at least to 2.4 GHz, though no large-cacheD versions have yet been tested at those frequencies - if they're even available there yet).   I So imagine what is about to happen with the emergence of EV7.  1.75 MB of J fast, on-chip cache (plus half the ES45's main-memory latency and gobs andI gobs of bandwidth) should put all those results cited above firmly in its K rear-view mirrors.  And shortly thereafter, so will the new Opterons if you L want to talk about value propositions (considerably better than Xeon/Itanic2< performance at considerably lower than Xeon/Itanic2 prices).   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:06:54 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?. Message-ID: <3DF7467E.8010004@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3DF5B755.1080306@nospamn.sun.com>...  >  >>Bob Ceculski wrote:  >> >>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3DF46C65.9090401@nospamn.sun.com>... >>> A >>>clustering, security, reliability, real-time, uptime, 31 certs @ >>>in 13 years while over 500 in 5 years for slowaris ... do you >>>want me to continue?  >> >>Real-Time ???? >>5 >>Really describe how OpenVMS's support for real time  >>differs from say Solaris's.  >  > = > VMS is the best real time os out there, period, esp. pitted  > againset unix/linux ...  >  >   - I would agree with you on the Linux front but 2 that is a diversion you miserably failed to answer
 the question.   2 Which was describe how OpenVMS's real time support differs from Solaris.      >>Security.  >>6 >>If your evidence for OpenVMS's security pre-eminence4 >>is its Cert advisory count then you just blew your >>argument.  >>2 >>Repeat after me Cert is not a source of reliable( >>information on OpenVMS vunerabilities. >  > : > repeat after me ... cert is a reliable source of finding= > out how bad security is on an os ... just ask Micro$oft ... 8 > another source is user experience ... I am going on 187 > years now on VMS with "NO" security problems and "NO" 6 > os crashes ... it just runs and runs like the little, > bunny on the battery commercial on tv ...  >   4 You missed the point, CERT may well be a good source4 of finding out how many vunerabilitys some OS's have5 but it isn't for OpenVMS because the reporting hasn't 2 been accurate. This has been demonstrated time and0 time again and because of this your booha claims6 of X CERT vunerabilities for Solaris and Y for OpenVMS1 is of no interest because Y isn't reliable count.   ; > VMS scales just fine, and soon EV7 will take that word to " > new heights ... then itanium ... >   7 So produce some benchmark results that demonstrate this 6 on the current platfoms, EV7 based large servers arn't: due to ship until next year, how about defending OpenVMS's current position.    >  >>Performance ditto  >  > 9 > alpha blows sun away, any day ... EV7 will do more than 7 > blow sparky away, it will destroy it in both floating  > point and integer tests ...  >   6 So produce some benchmarks that prove this, you havn't7 ever managed this in the past so why do you keep making  this ludicrous claim.   : Have you fogotten the number fof times you have been asked7 to justify you performance BS and failed to do so ?????     < > VMS wins the price contest every time ... has a tco no one > else can touch ... >   ; Based on what, you will remember that the OpenVMS TCO study 6 published by Compaq which appeared to show this turned0 out to be not worth the paper it was written on.   >  >>Available applications ditto >  > = > plenty currently and many more coming on, esp. with itanium  > around the corner ...  >  > 0 >>Support for current programming and deployment >  > 7 > as far as hiring programming support, that's easy ...s4 > plenty of people available, and if they don't know2 > vms, we train them ... vms isn't like unix/linux3 > were it takes 2 years to learn all the convuluted 0 > commands and file system and os in general ...4 > vms commands make sense and are easily tailored to > ones taste ... >    Can you say the words J2EE   > 4 >>You also forgot the soft things or rather you were >>right not to mention them: >>0 >>Job prospects for people who think like you do& >>and don't skill up in something else >  > : > I took AS400 OS400 training and actually tried that junk: > system 9 years ago ... 1 month on it about killed me ...: > had 2 os crashes in 1 month and support had no idea what: > caused them ... no thanks, I don't need to rush the gray7 > hairs and blood pressure medication ... unfortunatelyh5 > besides vms, there are no other superior high levelS > os's out there to go to ...e >   & What does this have to do with OpenVMS More BSn     > 2 >>Vendor support or indifference depending on your
 >>perspectiveS >    > 7 > we get wonderful support for $700 (bronze) a year ...S >   . Total missunderstanding on your part on what I ment by support.    9 > that's your opinion, but of course you willn't tell theP4 > truth because you work for sun, stuck selling that8 > garbage sparky and the garbage slowaris to go with it,4 > of course, having to sell 80,000 sparkys to one or6 > two alphas probably earns you a lot more commission,6 > which your brain dead customers are paying, thinking# > they are getting a great deal ...   1 Do you really beleive this tosh. From a corporateP0 standpoint being told by a Compaq supporter that1 Sun lies systematically to its customers suggestst/ that the person making the point is either veryI0 very deluded or hasn't been keeping abreast with! the news over the last 3-5 years.l  / Pretty good that makes 9 points, one you havn't-+ answered, one you didn't understand and the-( remaining 7 you shouldn't have answered.   Regards3 Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2002 14:01:57 -0800: From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry)( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS= Message-ID: <7f15589f.0212111401.3913b72e@posting.google.com>   q jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) wrote in message news:<9059bf6b.0212110445.7b409a4@posting.google.com>....  F > Thank you.  I apologize for not having more detail.  I really do notH > have much detail at this point.  I know that it will utilize some PerlG > scripts.  We already use Perl for one of our applications on VMS so I5? > do not expect that will be an issue (file name conventions?).i  > Depending on how your scripts are coded, you may have very fewF problems or you may hit brick walls of various thickness.  If the codeF doesn't already use the File::Spec methods for manipulating path namesE you might get started on that and try to eliminate hard-coded slashesk> in filenames.  Be sure to read perlvms and the VMS sections ofF perlport in the Perl documentation set or at <http://www.perldoc.com>.B  Send mail to vmsperl-subscribe AT perl DOT org and you'll be on a: low-volume mailing list devoted to all things Perl on VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Dec 2002 23:08:55 GMT# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS* Message-ID: <at8gi7$ita$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  m In article <9059bf6b.0212100832.7277674c@posting.google.com>, jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) writes:h  E :We are considering porting an application environment from a Solarise" :platform to our OpenVMS platform. :s: :Has anybody done a something of this nature and have some/ :tips/warnings/suggestions they care to impart?i     "It depends".j     I will assume C or C++.   B   With BASH and other available tools and the C library, the usualD   porting "fun" involves programs that use the fork() call -- if theF   code does not use fork and follows the ANSI C standards, a port will4   generally succeed without particular difficulties.  H   It has been my experience that the OpenVMS compilers tend to be betterI   about flagging latent coding errors in C code, but this is not specifictF   to code that originated on any particular UNIX platform.  (There areF   a number of C programs around that assume an unsigned integer can beF   less than zero, for the purposes of various tests.  These code pathsE   beyond this test have apparently never themselves been particularlyl   tested, of course. :-)  B   I would encourage V7.3-1, as it has ODS-5 and (if required) caseB   sensitivity in the filenames and it has the largest selection ofD   C library calls.  The C libraries also correctly process both UNIXB   and OpenVMS file names, and other similarly useful capabilities.  D   The obvious manuals to read would be the programming concepts, theC   C compiler and C library documentation, the IP documentation, andsA   (for some of the most common C confusions) the OpenVMS FAQ.  (If@   have also presented a "Using C Features on OpenVMS" session at?   various customer events over the years, most recently at the dC   OpenVMS Technical Symposium this November.  Copies of this should C   be available around the 'net, and I can likely locate and provide 1   a copy if you cannot find one 'round the 'net.)e  D   I expect there are HP services folks which can assist in profilingF   the code involved, in estimation of the effort likely involved, and E   to potentially assist in the port.  This if you wish to obtain help &   and more formal guidance, of course.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:51:09 -0000s! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>y( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS/ Message-ID: <uvg1td1kdmlmea@corp.supernews.com>-  4 Chris Clifford <chris.clifford@openvms.co.uk> wrote:G : The most important thing is to VMSize it to gain maximum benefit. Fora
 : example:  K : - Ensure that the application is distributed between cluster members withrK : the ability to quickly fail over should a cluster member fail, perhaps bynI : running multiple instances of a process and utilising the lock manager.   G : - Consider using ICC for communication between application processes.u* : Maximum performance and highly reliable.  ? I could not agree LESS.  You NEVER want to tie to an o/s unlessi@ you HAVE TO.  VMSize the app and you make moving it off VMS even harder.w  7 Only do it if you really need the features/performance.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:51:34 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>( Subject: RE: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <01C2A14E.D645B9D0@sulfer.icius.com>  A My preference is to encapsulate the platform-specific pieces into E discrete modules, so they're easy to find and port if necessary. If I E have time, I code generic versions next to them from the get-go, with G conditional compilation so the right version is compile in on the right 	 platform.t   Shanek   -----Original Message-----' From: Z [mailto:zarlenga@conan.ids.net]a* Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:51 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS    4 Chris Clifford <chris.clifford@openvms.co.uk> wrote:G : The most important thing is to VMSize it to gain maximum benefit. For 
 : example:  F : - Ensure that the application is distributed between cluster members withH : the ability to quickly fail over should a cluster member fail, perhaps by@ : running multiple instances of a process and utilising the lock manager.  G : - Consider using ICC for communication between application processes. * : Maximum performance and highly reliable.  ? I could not agree LESS.  You NEVER want to tie to an o/s unlesss@ you HAVE TO.  VMSize the app and you make moving it off VMS even harder.i  7 Only do it if you really need the features/performance.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:09:09 -0000v! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>r( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS/ Message-ID: <uvg2v5pclb2jde@corp.supernews.com>-  " Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote:F : You also want to use VMS time routines, and avoid the 2037 unix time@ : overflow...  that way, your app should live forever (almost)..   No need.   Compaq C V6.5-001-48BCD on VMS:      / t1: 00000000, ctime(): Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969w/ t2: 7FFFFFFF, ctime(): Mon Jan 18 22:14:07 2038a/ t3: 80000000, ctime(): Mon Jan 18 22:14:08 2038r/ t4: FFFFFFFF, ctime(): Sun Feb  7 01:28:15 2106C        ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:37:43 GMTm- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>w& Subject: Re: Porting PostgreSQL to VMS= Message-ID: <bwTJ9.21035$VA5.1702703@news1.news.adelphia.net>C   Lyndon Bartels wrote:    > Hello all, > ) > I've started porting PostgreSQL to VMS.n  
 Good luck.  2 > There are a few things I'm not sure how to port. >  >  > crypt. > > > Obviously an encryption routine. I'd like to duplicate that  > functionality.  1 See FRONTPORT on the OpenVMS Freeware 5.0 CD-rom.l  H Because to generate the right hash, it needs a username context, so the $ fport__getpwnam() call caches these.   >  > vsnprintf. > G > This is like snprintf, but there are four arguments, the fourth being  > an argument list.8  1 See FRONTPORT on the OpenVMS Freeware 5.0 CD-rom.r, Quick and dirty, but it may be close enough.  1 Other posters have answered your other questions.a   -Johni wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyo   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:26:13 -0700  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>C" Subject: Pricing for TCPIP on DS10& Message-ID: <3DF7D7A5.7070502@srv.net>  + How much does a TCPIP for VMS7.1 on a DS10?   4 I'm looking for at least an estimate so I can give a4 ballpark figure to a client, bur DEC/COMPAQ/HP seems0 to want to hide all the prices, making this very hard to do.   3 I've tried in the past to get a price, but the onlya2 price I ever got quoted was around $5000 per user,3 which seemed high/wrong to me. Does anyone know thet" real price/availability of TCPIP??  / Also, where can you buy the license?  I've onlyy0 been able to find 3rd/4th party people who don't, even seem to understand what I'm asking for.  5 And no, the machine did not come with a TCPIP licenseC3 for some reason.  They just have a VMS, a USER, and-+ a DECNET license, no TCPIP/UCX/... license.:   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:59:55 -0500P2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)& Subject: Re: Pricing for TCPIP on DS10L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1112022159550001@user-2ive2fc.dialup.mindspring.com>  G In article <3DF7D7A5.7070502@srv.net>, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote:A  , >How much does a TCPIP for VMS7.1 on a DS10? >w5 >I'm looking for at least an estimate so I can give a 5 >ballpark figure to a client, bur DEC/COMPAQ/HP seems 1 >to want to hide all the prices, making this very, >hard to do. >m4 >I've tried in the past to get a price, but the only3 >price I ever got quoted was around $5000 per user,c4 >which seemed high/wrong to me. Does anyone know the# >real price/availability of TCPIP??  >h0 >Also, where can you buy the license?  I've only1 >been able to find 3rd/4th party people who don'ta- >even seem to understand what I'm asking for.3 >G6 >And no, the machine did not come with a TCPIP license4 >for some reason.  They just have a VMS, a USER, and, >a DECNET license, no TCPIP/UCX/... license.  J Look for one of the "bundle" licenses.  NET-APP-SUP-xxx, which I think hasE been replaced by something like EIP (enterprise integration package?)c  F For anything but really big orders, I think you need to work through a reseller.  )A You should be able to get contact info for VMS resellers from HP.H   Some resellers also post here.  J $5000 per user seems too high for TCPIP.  I would expect that amount to be8 more than enough for unlimited usage for a few machines.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:29:28 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>' Subject: Problems sending email to HP ?c/ Message-ID: <3DF7BC47.EF29D4C6@vl.videotron.ca>m    I am trying to send an email to:  K "Skonetski, Susan" <Susan.Skonetski@hp.com>  but the HP server consistentlys rejects the message with :  K "code: smtp:554 <relais.videotron.ca[24.201.245.36]>: Client host rejected:8 Access denied"  - (the IP address is the smtp server of my isp)_  M Does this mean that my ISP has been blacklisted by HP for some reason ? Or is 4 it just a bug at HP which bounces all emails today ?  K Or has HP decided to block all nice/kind emails being set to Sue because it7D was getting so many that it was taking up too much of her time ? :-)  M (I am trying now to send via @compaq.com and will see if that one bounces it,zM compaq.com still points to compaq servers/ip adresses).  Otherwise I can sendaI from my own smtp server, but emails are not replyable because my intranet / isn't DNS registered in the rest of the world.)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:44:17 GMTo- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>e+ Subject: Re: Problems sending email to HP ?>= Message-ID: <5KSJ9.20814$VA5.1692785@news1.news.adelphia.net>s   JF Mezei wrote:-  " > I am trying to send an email to: > A > "Skonetski, Susan"   but the HP server consistently rejects theD > message with : > \ > "code: smtp:554 <relais.videotron.ca[24.201.245.36]>: Client host rejected: Access denied" > / > (the IP address is the smtp server of my isp)t > G > Does this mean that my ISP has been blacklisted by HP for some reasonl? >  ? Or is it just a bug at HP which bounces all emails today ?y  8 I have no idea what anti-spam measures are in use at HP.    B However you can lookup some of the many block lists in use on the  Internet with:  B http://relays.osirusoft.com/cgi-bin/rbcheck.cgi?addr=24.201.245.36  4 Your ISP is on quite a few block lists at this time.  D Before contacting them, you may wish to read a few of the following:   [URL may be wrapped]a http://groups.google.com/groups?q=24.201.245.36&hl=en&group=news.admin.net-abuse.*&sa=G&scoring=du    C > Or has HP decided to block all nice/kind emails being set to Sue tF > because it was getting so many that it was taking up too much of her > time ? :-) > D > (I am trying now to send via @compaq.com and will see if that one E > bounces it, compaq.com still points to compaq servers/ip adresses).aB > Otherwise I can send from my own smtp server, but emails are notG > replyable because my intranet isn't DNS registered in the rest of theo	 > world.)o  I Because of spam problems, many SMTP servers are not accepting any e-mail nF from servers that do not have a reverse DNS (rDNS) entry that matches  their claimed domain.0  F Also many postmasters will not accept e-mail from I.P. addresses that 4 are in lists of Dial-up or DHCP generated addresses.   -John9 wb8ytw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:53:24 -0500a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: Problems sending email to HP ?u/ Message-ID: <3DF8162F.DCC68351@vl.videotron.ca>o   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:6D > http://relays.osirusoft.com/cgi-bin/rbcheck.cgi?addr=24.201.245.36  M Thanks for the bad news. Called the ISP and of course the civil servants wereaL unaware, and since I was the only one to place a complaint, they first triedL to dismiss my complaint withs stuff such "but we have plenty of customer who< have HP pcs and they haev no problems sending email" :-) :-)  N But I asked him to do a search on google on the ip address of their server andN he quickly changed attitude. Also gave him the relays.osirusoft web sit and heK also got confirmation and said he would pass it in to the more senior civil20 servants.  What happens next is out of my hands.   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Dec 2002 23:43:14 GMT# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) % Subject: Re: Silly HP zx6000 questiong* Message-ID: <at8iii$ita$2@web1.cup.hp.com>  ` In article <at5vbh0e8k@enews2.newsguy.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:L :I'll admit it's a silly question, but is OpenVMS going to be able to run on* :the zx6000 once it's ported to Itanium?    H   The bootstrap efforts will involve various systems -- systems that mayC   or may not be of particular interest as OpenVMS ships on Itanium.s  G   I do expect we will be providing a supported-platform list -- as well,C   as more details of the systems used in the port -- as the productn-   release for the OpenVMS Itanium port nears.h  J :I don't know if anyone else has seen a zx6000, but it's resemblance to a J :BA23 chassis is uncanny.  Sure, it's a little shorter, but it still looks) :a lot like a modern VAXstation I or II. d  E   Close to 3U for the MicroVAX II BA23 enclosure versus something far C   closer to 1U for the HP Workstation boxes I've been working with.c  L :Of course the only reason for asking is that it strikes me that it would beJ :really cool to have the Itanium port running on something that looks like  :one of the original MicroVAXen.  I   I've been rummaging inside several of the current HP Itanium boxes, andmJ   the designs and the cable routing and the engineering features are quiteJ   elegant.  You can easily unclip and remove the entire PCI card cage, forH   instance.  The power supplies unhook and slide out.  (No more skinned I   knuckles, too.  Anyone that worked inside the BA23 Q-bus enclosure withiL   any regularity will certainly remember occasionally having suffered those,J   of course.)  Serviceability, in other words, has cretainly improved over   the years since the BA23 box.b  K   One of the hands-on sessions that has been suggested for creation for usetI   at future customer event(s) involves an exploration and reconfiguration I   of the innards of recent HP systems up through an OpenVMS installation.h  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:57:57 -0800h$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>% Subject: RE: Silly HP zx6000 questiono0 Message-ID: <01C2A12E.2ADB2E10@sulfer.icius.com>   >The Infamous Hoff Wrote: < >In article <at5vbh0e8k@enews2.newsguy.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> >writes:M >:I'll admit it's a silly question, but is OpenVMS going to be able to run oni+ >:the zx6000 once it's ported to Itanium?  p > I >  The bootstrap efforts will involve various systems -- systems that mayaD >  or may not be of particular interest as OpenVMS ships on Itanium.
 [snippage]  @ Ah crap! Sorry if I'm late to the party with this, but this justF triggered a realisation. The port to Itanium is going to take away oneH of VMS's strengths; the coverage from desktop to server to supermachine.G If Itanium isn't going to try to be a desktop, we just lost the low ende	 for good.6  D One more reason to want an AMD port: Hammertime! (Doo do de do, wooo wooo)    Shane   H Apologies for the long mailsig quote, but it was too funny not to share:  D "George's Song"  (Sung to the tune: "If You're Happy And You Know It Clap Your Hands")   $ If we cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq. * If the markets hurt your Mama, bomb Iraq.  If the terrorists are Saudi " And the bank takes back your Audi  And the TV shows are bawdy,  Bomb Iraq. -  . If the corporate scandals growin', bomb Iraq. . And your ties to them are showin', bomb Iraq. ! If the smoking gun ain't smokin' n% We don't care, and we're not jokin'. c# That Saddam will soon be croakin', $ Bomb Iraq. -  & Even if we have no allies, bomb Iraq. / From the sand dunes to the valleys, bomb Iraq. n! So to hell with the inspections; t$ Let's look tough for the elections, % Close your mind and take directions, e Bomb Iraq.    . While the globe is slowly warming, bomb Iraq. 0 Yay! the clouds of war are storming, bomb Iraq. # Now the seeds of change are sowing,  as the ozone hole is growing,  and our ignorance is showing,  Bomb Iraq. t  ' Revenge for dear old daddy, bomb Iraq, e+ From his favorite little laddy, bomb Iraq.  % Saying "no" would look like treason.    It's the Saddam hunting season.  Even if we have no reason,   Bomb Iraq. e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:47:00 +0100 ) From: "Steven Thompson" <steven@omga.biz>n# Subject: SMTP just stopped working?eB Message-ID: <at8f98$lnq$1@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>  ( Hi Group, I need some help with this one  J My Server has been handling mail happily for some months since the upgrade to VMX 7.3-1 and tcpip 5.3.$ I'm now not getting any mail at all.  3 $TCPIP analyze mail - doesn't cough up any problemst   If from the $ prompt I do ah $telnet mynode 25... I get this....  & %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 10.1.1.130 %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host www, port 25( -TELNET-I-ESCAPE, Escape character is ^] .....   K and the correspondong "receive log" will show this......................... 3 SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG;14p  
 $ Set NoOn/ $ VERIFY = F$VERIFY(F$TRNLNM("SYLOGIN_VERIFY"))hK send buf=220 foo.bar.com V5.3-18, OpenVMS V7.3-1 Alpha ready at Thu, 12 Decn 2. 002 00:41:01 +0100 (MET) \d\an? %SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical linko8   TCPIP$SMTP   job terminated at 12-DEC-2002 00:41:01.96     Accounting information: D   Buffered I/O count:                492      Peak working set size: 6240@   Direct I/O count:                  129      Peak virtual size: 177968>   Page faults:                       672      Mounted volumes: 0pC   Charged CPU time:        0 00:00:01.18      Elapsed time:       0- 00:07:36.87- ..............  I I've upped the tcpip$smtp_log_level to 5 and so far it's not much help...-  0 FTP is working and I can get into the POP server. (I've got lots of disk space, free mem etc...)    ! Any troubleshooting ideas please?      Many thanksA Steven   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:23:51 -0500r0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>' Subject: Re: SMTP just stopped working?./ Message-ID: <3DF7D711.C82EA402@vl.videotron.ca>    Steven Thompson wrote:( > %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 10.1.1.132 > %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host www, port 25* > -TELNET-I-ESCAPE, Escape character is ^] > .....T  ( The "...." is the important part here...  ( Have you tried typing in a dummy email ?   after the welcome message:   HELO <mydomain.com> " MAIL FROM:<yourfrom@mydomain.com>  RCPT TO:<yourdest@mydomain.com>  DATA  & From: John Doe <yourfrom@mydomain.com>$ To: Jane Doe <yourdest@mydomain.com> Subject: Test message$   Line 1 line 2 line 3	 last linee .S   QUIT  M After each of the commands, you should get a OK response from the server. The K DATA command ends when you do the "." alone on line.  That is when the SMTP N server will respond with some confirmation that it has accepted responsability for the message.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2002 11:34:24 -0800& From: john.mcqueen@gnf.com (J McQueen)* Subject: sys$wake returns after long delay= Message-ID: <6083b3a3.0212111134.44fa8cc7@posting.google.com>R  B I have two Alpha programs in the same group, one queuing msgs whenE they come in and then waking up a second sys$hiber program to processiD the msgs.  I have put time stamps on either side of the sys$wake andE sys$hiber calls and see that the sys$wake process is called while the B second process is hibernating but it takes several minutes for theD hibernating process to be awakened.  When it awakes, I get identicalF timestamps from both programs which indicates that the calling program0 waits that long for the sys$wake call to return.  , What could be the reason for this long wait?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:10:25 -0500M0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: sys$wake returns after long delay/ Message-ID: <3DF7D3EB.99EDF5A2@vl.videotron.ca>'   J McQueen wrote:F > hibernating process to be awakened.  When it awakes, I get identicalH > timestamps from both programs which indicates that the calling program2 > waits that long for the sys$wake call to return.    M if you do a SHOW SYS or SHOW PROC/ID=xxx/CONT on both processes, what happens-+ during the time where sys$wake "executes" ?+  G You might see one of the dreaded RWAST or other process state on eitherr# process which will give you a clue.D   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:01:25 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>g Subject: Re: TCL for OpenVMS= Message-ID: <9_SJ9.20888$VA5.1696691@news1.news.adelphia.net>n   Tim Llewellyn wrote:   > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:l >  >> Jakob Erber wrote:r >> fD >>> Is there a TCL package existing for OpenVMS AXP, which does not > >>> require Multinet? (We do not indent to use sockets in TCL) >> b> >> From what I can see the write ups for the TCL port that is E >> available at a link mentioned in this thread is a bit out of date.  >>  F >> It may just work, or it may need some simple edits to make it work. >> t+ > Nope, early on in that page is the quote:h > F > "You will need Multinet's product to use sockets. I'm hoping someone >  does a port to UCX."   D The last time that I looked at that page is also was referring to a F different and much earlier version of the TCL than what was available 
 for download.   G With VAX C, the socket library was a special link procedure that might r7 have been different with the different TCP/IP packages.   2 With HP/COMPAQ/DEC C that has never been the case.  F However with downloaded open source, you are ususally on your own for  support.   -John4 wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only!   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2002 22:14:32 -0800" From: spinc@optonline.net (Nilima)- Subject: VMS Contract openings in Boston area3< Message-ID: <c533ccd6.0212112214.44be240@posting.google.com>   Hi,a  D I have 2 contract opeing for VMS internal developers in Boston area.C Client is looking for candidates with Macro32, DCL, C, C++, DECnet,tE VMS experience. This is a long term project (over 1 year). If you areo+ interested, please foward your resumes to :p   spinc@optonline.neto   THanks,r   Nilima   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:34:28 -0500f+ From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com>"1 Subject: Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSSp( Message-ID: <3DF7AF64.DBFA762@yahoo.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > I > It was bad enough when ASAP was subsumed into the CSA.  Now the CSA hash+ > been incorporated into HP's DPSS program.s > I > Has any former CSA member successfully logged into the DPSS site?  Havey3 > you figured out how to get/order the OpenVMS SDK?- >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMs > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"    E Using Netscape 7.0 on a Mac with "dangerous things enabled" :-) I wasgF able to get to the point of getting an error - "The e-mail address youD entered has already been used with another User ID."  I just haven'tH been able to figure out what user ID that is.  For the userid, I enteredG the one that I used for the "grand unified CPN & CSA" website login.  IgE haven't had the time to call HP yet to try to resolve the problem.  IaF could put in a different email address to get around the problem but I don't want to do that.  E We renewed our CSA membership just before this DSPP thing started so,yB other than going through the $600 less deal as Larry mentioned, weF didn't have any trouble.  The renewal took a little bit longer than inG the past but not by too much.  Our PAKs were emailed to us within aboutd% 10 days after we sent in the renewal.t  E I got two emails, 20-OCT-2002 and 12-NOV-2002, from DSPP about how toI@ register with DSPP.  They listed a phone number for registration questions - 800-249-3294.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:47:48 -0500v% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> 1 Subject: Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSSa/ Message-ID: <uvg1n6n9epoq55@news.supernews.com>v  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A1846B.A8AB82E5@SendSpamHere.ORG...I > It was bad enough when ASAP was subsumed into the CSA.  Now the CSA hasn+ > been incorporated into HP's DPSS program.  >eI > Has any former CSA member successfully logged into the DPSS site?  Havev3 > you figured out how to get/order the OpenVMS SDK?r >t  K Yes and yes.  I remember having problems when I was trying to get logged inn! but I don't remember the details.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:45:28 -0500-0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>7 Subject: Re: What judge thinks of Capellas and WorldCona/ Message-ID: <3DF7A3E7.D6C064AE@vl.videotron.ca>'   Alan Greig wrote:D@ > NEW YORK (Reuters) - WorldCom Inc.'s plan to pay its new chiefG > executive as much as $23 million was described as "grossly excessive"r  M If Curly was serious about fixing up Worldcom, he would have gone there with oM a $1 salary until Woldcom emerges from bankrupcy protection. (At which point,uI he could negotiate his fancy salary that woudl give him the appereance of>/ being a real ceo). There is a saying in french:t  ? "L'habit ne fait pas le moine"  ( clothes don't make a priest )i  N Seems to me that Capellas wants to *appear* like an important CEO by demandingL those fancy salariues because he knows he doesn't have what it takes to be a	 real CEO.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:32:21 GMTuL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")7 Subject: Re: What judge thinks of Capellas and WorldCon 6 Message-ID: <00A184AA.94243519@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  b In article <3DF7A3E7.D6C064AE@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >Alan Greig wrote:A >> NEW YORK (Reuters) - WorldCom Inc.'s plan to pay its new chiefeH >> executive as much as $23 million was described as "grossly excessive" > N >If Curly was serious about fixing up Worldcom, he would have gone there with N >a $1 salary until Woldcom emerges from bankrupcy protection. (At which point,J >he could negotiate his fancy salary that woudl give him the appereance of0 >being a real ceo). There is a saying in french: >h@ >"L'habit ne fait pas le moine"  ( clothes don't make a priest ) >sO >Seems to me that Capellas wants to *appear* like an important CEO by demandingyM >those fancy salariues because he knows he doesn't have what it takes to be aa
 >real CEO.  M Occam's Razor gives some force to the idea that he might just want the money.s   -- Alan   O ===============================================================================i0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056eM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025sO ===============================================================================s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:20:30 -0700 9 From: Gnu Eiffel Announce <gnu_eiffel_announce@yahoo.com>yR Subject: [ANN] LORIA ANNOUNCES RELEASE 1.0 OF SMARTEIFFEL, THE GNU EIFFEL COMPILER( Message-ID: <3DF749AE.2040803@yahoo.com>   FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE   ! Contact:     smarteiffel@loria.fr   C LORIA ANNOUNCES RELEASE 1.0 OF SMARTEIFFEL, THE GNU EIFFEL COMPILERh  F France -- 6 December, 2002 -- LORIA/INRIA-Lorianne, a leading research@ laboratory in information technology, is pleased to announce theC release of SmartEiffel 1.0, the GNU Eiffel compiler. Formerly known E as SmallEiffel, SmartEiffel is complete implementation of Eiffel withnC eight years of development behind it. SmartEiffel includes many newlB language features such as agents and tuples, an extensive standardA library, and many support utilities. SmartEiffel runs on VMS, andr> indeed will run any platform where a JVM or ANSI C compiler is	 availablem  F Along with the new name, the SmartEiffel team has extended its supportF program to offer premium support and consulting services. This releaseF contains the following improvements over the last SmallEiffel release.  E * The new Reference keyword is now implemented. Use reference INTEGER =     instead of INTEGER_REF. INTEGER_REF will become obsolete.>= * The new INTEGER_GENERAL, INTEGER_8, INTEGER_16, INTEGER_32, )     INTEGER_64 types are now implemented.e! * 64-bit architectures supported.oC * Internal improvements in the type system (better C code produced) C * Buffered I/O. You may see big improvements in programs performingaF     lots of file reading or writing (STD_INPUT and STD_OUTPUT are also     buffered).F * The "tcc" C compiler is now supported, use release 0.9.14 or better.; * SmartZilla is now available for feature and bug-tracking!e9 * The new notation for free operators is now implemented..E * And many other improvements and bug fixes thanks to the SmartEiffele     user community.f  C Dr. Bertrand Meyer invented Eiffel in the 1980's. Designed from thes> ground up to be an efficient, statically typed object-orientedA language, Eiffel is unique in its support for "Design by ContractnA (DbC)" -- sophisticated assertion mechanisms that aid the design,f1 development and documentation of Eiffel software.e  D Dr. Dominique Colnet began the GNU Eiffel project in 1994. "I do notE claim that Eiffel is the language of the future (if any), but I think ? that Eiffel is probably the best current tool for safe softwareeD production in the context of large teams. Another important point isD the SmartEiffel compilation strategy, which demonstrates that Eiffel& code can run as fast as plain C code."  D SmartEiffel is the basis for a large number of projects, such as theG ELJ project that is actively developing SmartEiffel bindings to varioustE databases and GUI libraries, including wxWindows. Geoff Eldridge, whouF founded ELJ, likes Eiffel for it's clear syntax and semantics, and theF self-documenting aspects of Eiffel contracts that reduces his need forG reference materials. "So I am self-contained in my code development andrH hence have more time to think about the problem and its solution." GeoffD also believes that DbC "is just brilliant. Once you have experiencedF DbC you feel exposed with other languages without the facility." GeoffF also finds Eiffel to be very malleable, even though it is a statically typed language.a  F Uwe Sander, the lead developer of the ELJ project, agrees. "Design andF development are closely related when working with Eiffel, not strictly? separated foes." Uwe also appreciates SmartEiffel's support for G interfacing to C and C++.  "The integration with existing C code is nowoG much better than it is in any other language I know, including C++. YoueJ can easily mess up a C++ project and let the old C style rule the project.G Such a thing will never happen in an Eiffel project. It is always clear - which language contains the top level logic."e   Links    To download release 1.0, visit1 http://smarteiffel.loria.fr/general/download.htmls  - For more information about SmartEiffel, visitu http://smarteiffel.loria.frl   The SmartZilla database is at:$ http://smartzilla.loria.fr/index.cgi  5 For more about premium support and contracting, visitu0 http://SmartEiffel.loria.fr/support/support.html  - Subscribe to the SmartEiffel mailing list at:05 http://smarteiffel.loria.fr/support/mailing-list.htmll  * The home page for the ELJ project is here: http://elj.sf.net/  E For more resources and information on Eiffel in general, visit one ofS these sites: http://eiffel.com ) http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_eiffel.htmlt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:37:45 -0800i$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>K Subject: RE: [Q] Detecting client disconnects from UCX/TCP server by Servers0 Message-ID: <01C2A109.D1C79210@sulfer.icius.com>  D Others have posted several good suggestions I won't rehash. Here are. some relatively simple, low tech alternatives.  B 1: It's easy to add timeouts to QIO based networking. Do a SYS$QIOG (without the W) and give it a completion event flag. Then queue a timers@ with another completion event flag, set to whatever interval youH consider an unreasonable time to wait for a response. Do a WFLOR on both? of them. When you leave the WFLOR, check the flags to see which.D completed. If it's the QIO, cancel the timer. If it's the timer, the" other end can be considered toast.  ? 2: If you're writing both ends, why not have the far end send ae "goodbye" packet?s   Shanen   -----Original Message-----# From: Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jpl& [mailto:Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jp]( Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:48 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.CompG Subject: [Q] Detecting client disconnects from UCX/TCP server by Servere     Hello,  5 I a question about UCX /TCPIP programming via QIO.  Ii5 have written a simple server that accepts connectionst6 from multiple clients and reads and writes messages to/ them.  I am using TCPIP$C_TCP as a protocol andr TCPIP$C_STREAM as a type.t   My problem 16 If a client is terminated, say the box goes down.  How5 in my server application will I note that this client 5 connection has gone (assume not on same box)?  What If0 am after is sort of the AST event that my server4 application has to look for to notice the client has died.i   My Problem 26 Say the client was shutdown normally, ie with a socket3 close will I get a different event from problem 1. h5 From TCPIPTRACE trace I see that a FIN ACK is send at- protocol level on shutdown.e  5 Thanks.  Sorry I just cannot figure this out from thei. manual.  Or is it more technical than I think.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.685 ************************