1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 13 Dec 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 688       Contents: Re: "-" or "/"G Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...") G Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...") G Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...")  Alpha TDMS FAQ" Re: Andrew repats his same old FUD" Re: Andrew repats his same old FUD announcing Customer First Times " Re: BIND Resolver cache flush time Re: copy/ftp Re: copy/ftp Re: copy/ftp Re: copy/ftp Re: copy/ftp# Re: DCPS 2.1 and HP LaserJet 5000GN # Re: DCPS 2.1 and HP LaserJet 5000GN  Re: death of alpha on slashdot% DEC C and DEC CXX licenses (on a VAX) ) Re: DEC C and DEC CXX licenses (on a VAX) ) Re: DEC C and DEC CXX licenses (on a VAX) % Re: DEC product line taken over by HP ! DEC product line taken over by HP % Re: DEC product line taken over by HP $ Re: DECnet over IP - which TCP port?- field test of DECprint Supervisor (DCPS) V2.2 . field test of DECprint Supervisor (DCPS) V2.2,4 Getting information about WWID with lexical function8 Re: Getting information about WWID with lexical function1 Re: History,design and implementation of VMS info 1 Re: History,design and implementation of VMS info 1 Re: History,design and implementation of VMS info 1 Re: History,design and implementation of VMS info $ Holes in my CSWS (apache) access_log( Re: Holes in my CSWS (apache) access_log) How to configure discs om a Mylex DAC960? - Re: How to configure discs om a Mylex DAC960?  Re: HP and DirecTV Re: HP and DirecTV http_server crashes  Re: http_server crashes  Re: http_server crashes  Internals and Data Structures ! Re: Internals and Data Structures ! Re: Internals and Data Structures ! Re: Internals and Data Structures ! Re: Internals and Data Structures ' Re: Is a process bound to only one CPU?  Login lexical? Re: Login lexical? RE: Login lexical? Re: Login lexical? Re: Login lexical? RE: Login lexical?9 Re: Login lexical? (constraining logins by the same user)  Re: MAIL redirection- misc HW maintenance end of life dates, where? 1 Re: misc HW maintenance end of life dates, where? 1 RE: misc HW maintenance end of life dates, where?  Re: my recent posts...+ Re: new version of OpenVMS password cracker B Re: Newbie:Openvms 7.2-1 on Alpha - Telent not cleaning up sockets openvms-managers list ready - Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular? - Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular? - Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular? % Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS ? Re: Presentations of "HP Wonderland Event" (Switzerland) online ? Re: Presentations of "HP Wonderland Event" (Switzerland) online 8 Question on BACKUP/RECORD to reduce size of incrementals< Re: Question on BACKUP/RECORD to reduce size of incrementals< Re: Question on BACKUP/RECORD to reduce size of incrementals< Re: Question on BACKUP/RECORD to reduce size of incrementals Re: SMTP just stopped working?+ Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today. + Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today. + Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today. + Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today. ! Specials from one of our partners % Re: Specials from one of our partners % Re: sys$wake returns after long delay % Re: sys$wake returns after long delay % Using the $AUDIT_EVENT System Service ) Re: Using the $AUDIT_EVENT System Service ) Re: Using the $AUDIT_EVENT System Service  VAX SCAN PAK Re: VAX SCAN PAK Re: VMS & TCP/IP1 RE: VMS Marketing sighting (well, Alpha, anyway.) ( Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSS( Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSS( Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSSF Re: Why does BACKUP/IMAGE need write access to INDEXF.SYS, BITMAP.SYS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:01:06 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: "-" or "/" ' Message-ID: <3DF90722.ADE2AA52@aaa.com>   < It's a new tool on the new EV7 servers to display the memory9 in different "RADs". A kind of "SHOW MEM" but for a whole , Marvel system. A few examples from the PDF :  * INO>rchk -nosystem -noglobal -pid 20200406  # Process pages for process 20200406: ' RAD   Total      Private  Galaxy Shared !  0      0 ( 0%)     0           0 !  1      0 ( 0%)     0           0 !  2      2 ( 3%)     2           0 !  3     72 ( 97%)   72           0     " RCHK (takes a couple of seconds ) INO>rchk  5 System pages seen from RAD 2: (67969 pages in 4 RADs) 0 RAD   Total         Private        Galaxy Shared*  0     5331 ( 8%)     115             5216*  1     5121 ( 8%)       0             5121*  2    45276 ( 67%)  40155             5121*  3    12241 ( 18%)   7120             5121  $ Global pages: (1004 pages in 4 RADs)0 RAD   Total         Private        Galaxy Shared*  0        0 ( 0%)       0                0*  1        0 ( 0%)       0                0*  2      505 ( 50%)    505                0*  3      499 ( 50%)    499                0  : Process pages for all 26 processes: (3394 pages in 4 RADs)0 RAD   Total         Private        Galaxy Shared*  0        0 ( 0%)       0                0*  1        0 ( 0%)       0                0*  2     1450 ( 43%)   1450                0*  3     1944 ( 57%)   1944                0  
 Home RADs: RAD     Processes   0          1 ( 4%) (strange?)  1          0 ( 0%)   2         12 ( 46%)  3         13 ( 50%)    = Seems to be a native VMS command to me, so why the unix style  command syntax ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    "Ruslan R. Laishev" wrote: >  > What is the radcheck ? >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: 5 > > In a PDF presentation about VMS found on the net, 4 > > ("AkeBlomberg_OpenVMS_future_technologies.pdf"), > > I saw the following :  > > ! > > $ RCHK :== $SYS$TEST:RADCHECK 
 > > $ RCHK. > > INO>rchk -nosystem -noglobal -pid 20200406 > > ' > > Now, why on earth isn't that like :  > > . > > INO>rchk /nosystem /noglobal /pid=20200406 > > ' > > Is RADCHECK a multi-platform tool ? 1 > > Is there also a "native" VMS command syntax ?  > >  > > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  > >  >  > -- > Cheers, Ruslan. F > +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+? >        Mobile: +7 (812) 116-3222/NMT,   8 901 300-0102/IMT-MC D >     TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU2 >                  http://starlet.spb.ru/~laishev/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:14:38 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)P Subject: Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...")4 Message-ID: <iqiK9.171042$A9.1850969@news.chello.at>  c In article <YVjDmn$A2vmN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: I >In a real business, there is no imperative to shed moneymaking activity.   I You're implying that COMPAQ (and DEC before) was not in real business ;-)   C >So HP would not lose any income from you by making the VMS license E >free on older gear.  That action would not affect your desire to buy C >service on older hardware (the only way they can make money on it)  >one way or the other.  H I suggested a couple of years ago, that CPQ (or was is still DEC then ?)K should make VMS be free for machines with 1 to 4 (or was it 1 to 2 ?) CPUs.   K You know, SUN had the same idea and did this for SOLARIS for 1 to 8 CPUs !!   K I never got any answer on my suggestions (I did it more than once, but only K to local DEQ channels - means Austria and Germany) so I gave up. Maybe this I my suggestion would have harmed VMS sales. I do not really know. But even I if it had, I personally would have taken the risk to widen the market for L VMS and earning money on the high end systems running applications developedA on almost free (well, hardware is not really free) VMS systems...   I So, the suggestion to make VMS free on older gear is not as drastic as my K old suggestion but I doubt that it will happen. Please HPQ prove me wrong !    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 05:08:01 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) P Subject: Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...")3 Message-ID: <jlrHqGA0hXUd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <iqiK9.171042$A9.1850969@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: e > In article <YVjDmn$A2vmN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: J >>In a real business, there is no imperative to shed moneymaking activity. > K > You're implying that COMPAQ (and DEC before) was not in real business ;-)   E No, I am sorry you inferred that.  I was responding to the claim that J HP faced some imperative to drop VAX support for which they have customers paying handsomely.  D >>So HP would not lose any income from you by making the VMS licenseF >>free on older gear.  That action would not affect your desire to buyD >>service on older hardware (the only way they can make money on it) >>one way or the other.  > J > I suggested a couple of years ago, that CPQ (or was is still DEC then ?)M > should make VMS be free for machines with 1 to 4 (or was it 1 to 2 ?) CPUs.  > M > You know, SUN had the same idea and did this for SOLARIS for 1 to 8 CPUs !!   A I think that would be harmful to HP because VMS clusters so well.   M > I never got any answer on my suggestions (I did it more than once, but only M > to local DEQ channels - means Austria and Germany) so I gave up. Maybe this K > my suggestion would have harmed VMS sales. I do not really know. But even K > if it had, I personally would have taken the risk to widen the market for N > VMS and earning money on the high end systems running applications developedC > on almost free (well, hardware is not really free) VMS systems...   B As I see it, there would be a risk of lost revenue with that plan.A But certainly HP knows their current revenue for new VMS licenses @ on older systems (as distinguished from maintenance).  I suspectA that it is very very low, so that move would not have such a risk - of lost revenue as your "small systems" plan.   K > So, the suggestion to make VMS free on older gear is not as drastic as my M > old suggestion but I doubt that it will happen. Please HPQ prove me wrong !    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:40:21 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> P Subject: Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...")K Message-ID: <FbnK9.397380$MGm1.294042@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message F news:rdeininger-1212022323090001@user-2ive3gm.dialup.mindspring.com...; > In article <3DF75CF1.2010107@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble  > <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: >  >  > > L > >That said, one must move forward by realizing that while you don't forgetJ > >history, least you repeat mistakes, you also don't let history hold you back$ > >when opportunity presents itself. > > K > >With that perspective, I'll ask Robert this question.  Is this something 	 > that is L > >being worked upon by VMS management, or is there a need for some proposal or% > >discussion from the customer base?  > J > Well, I asked here because I'm curious how many customers would make useG > of such a program.  And I wondered if there were some downside that I I > haven't thought of.  It doesn't look to me like a significant financial  > risk for HP. > J > If only 3 people took advantage of it, it wouldn't be worth the trouble.J > If hordes participated, it would tend to prove the demand for dirt-cheapH > VMS solutions.  Even if the participation was sub-horde, anything thatL > makes VMS easier to deploy, without hurting HP's income stream, seems like > a Good Thing.  > H > I do plan to suggest something along these lines to VMS management.  I) > just need a few hours to write it down.     ( Perhaps something along the lines of ---H a) any system that's 4 years or older and falls into the workstation, or low/mid @ range server category is eligible (provide system serial number)G b) any system 3 years or older bought on e-bay or privately (presumably  surplus J  to the seller, send serial number and e-bay purchase confirmation or copy of bill-	 of-sale). F The process can be handled via e-mail or a web page to keep costs low.  G HP sets up a web page with all the details of the free license and each  e-bay I seller can include the link on their Alpha / VAX offering so that non-VMS  types I can become aware of this as they browse the e-bay offerings. Maybe even a H banner ad on e-bay that says "Every Alpha or VAX computer system sold onL e-bay gets a free operating system license*" *some restrictions apply, YMMV.) This might catch some people's attention.   J Similarly, the education division of HP can send out a mailing to the head ofJ every CS or Engineering department at every university/college to let themI know of the existence of this program and ask that it be published in the  campus/ H department newspaper/bulletin as a notice (if HP doesn't want to pay for actual advertising space).    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:31:21 -0500 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>  Subject: Alpha TDMS FAQ * Message-ID: <atd92u$abr$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Q: What is it?  7 A: Alpha TDMS is a ported version of the VAX TDMS V1.9B   7 software, which runs on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-2 and later.   3 We are now offering this software for loan or sale.        Q: Who needs it?  . A: We are finding some VAX TDMS customers from  , around the world who have not migrated their  - remaining TDMS applications to Alpha, because   - TDMS has not been available on that platform.   . These customers usually have ACMS applications  . that are heavily dependent on the use of TDMS-   specific features.  - ACMS applications with reasonably simple TDMS   + forms and requests have often been migrated   0 successfully to Alpha with the help of DECforms.  . Non-ACMS applications have often been migrated  * successfully to Alpha with the help of the   Praxa TDMS emulator.   Q: Why not sooner?  9 A: DIGITAL made an early, permanent decision not to offer   8 TDMS on Alpha as a traditional, fully-supported software  2 product, based on the low projected sales volumes.  : Compaq Federal LLC (now part of HP Services Public Sector)  ; ported the software to Alpha only in response to a specific   8 request from one customer. This work was finally started  6 in late 2001, and was completed in early 2002. We have  + experienced some further delays since then.   2 During this time, we have received inquiries about  . Alpha TDMS from Compaq/HP people, on behalf of   their customers.  . Now that we have invested a significant amount  1 of effort (1189 person-hours for initial porting,   - 301 person-hours for document conversion, two   / person-months for the field test, and uncounted   - person-months for planning and approvals), we    are finally ready to offer it.   Q: How can I find out more?   6 A: Please send your questions to the following people:  ' Robert.Sampson@hp.com Software Engineer    Jim.Rallis@hp.com Sales Manager   & Dave.Lewis@hp.com Distribution Manager   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2002 14:04:18 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: Andrew repats his same old FUD 3 Message-ID: <qpHJh$DtgAgF@eisner.encompasserve.org>    > 7 > There have been 10x the number of Sun's installed for 7 > at least the last 5 years. More importantly there are 6 > many many more connected to public networks and that7 > makes them a much more interesting target for attacks 7 > than the relatively few AlphaServers running OpenVMS.   >    Sun and VMS have both been around much longer than 5 years.   > 6 > But as you know Bob's point was based on CERT, which9 > isn't as you an I know a reliable source of information  > on OpenVMS vunerability.  =    But as you should know by now VMS is secure no matter what     CERT's problem is.   ? > However and this is crucial, TCP/IP and all of the supporting ? > SW stack is written in C as is X11 and Motif, these are where = > a huge proportion of the buffer overflow vunerabilites are.  >   *    There are no "!!EH?" in the VMS kernel.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 13:21:53 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: Andrew repats his same old FUD - Message-ID: <87el8m5w9a.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   C >    1) Define real-time.  I know of at least 3 definitions, one of - >    which is peculiar to spacecraft control.    What is that one Bob?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:16:59 -0500 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> ( Subject: announcing Customer First Times* Message-ID: <atd8qt$aa8$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   -----Original Message-----   From: Barnes, Cindy   ( Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:38 PM  7 To: UK&I Sol UNIX; EMEA Alpha Channel Partners; HPSS NA   5 Subject: December 2002 Edition - Customer First Times   G We are pleased to announce that the first edition of the Customer First H Times (formerly the Alpha Systems Times) is now available in pdf format.  L The newsletter has been expanded to include the most up to date information,J program news and product directions for Business Critical Systems productsI including Alpha, HP e3000, HP 9000, OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX, plus links to  HPTC, NonStop and Linux.  ? The newsletter is available at: www.hp.com/go/customerfirstnews ( <http://www.hp.com/go/customerfirstnews>   To subscribe, go to:A <http://readerschoice.inline.cpqcorp.net/rcusers/rs.asp?sub=NS33>   
 Best regards,    Cindy Barnes   Hewlett-Packard Company    Phone: 603 884-4304    Fax: 603 884-6377    cbarnes@hp.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:22:33 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: BIND Resolver cache flush time / Message-ID: <3DF8FE14.5ED090F0@vl.videotron.ca>    Kirill Kuzishchin wrote:# > > TCPIP> SET NOHOST/SYSTEM KIRILL > > There is no such qualifier /SYSTEM for SET [NO]HOST command:  M And there I was, proud to having provided you the information direct from the I TCPIP Management Manual !!!! But you are right, TCPIP 5.3 on VAX does not  support that command.   , Even on an alpha, it seems to also not work.  C Mea culpa: the doc seemed to have the right text next to SET HOST..   * TCPIP> SET HOST birdy /ADDRESS=9.20.208.47P To delete server entries from the configuration database, or to add new entries, enter the following command:. TCPIP> SET NAME_SERVICE /NOSERVER=LARK /SYSTEM   Followed by:  , This command modifies the volatile database.    K I must have been i a severe chocolate deprivation state for not having seen I this. The first part talks about the hosts database, the second one talks V about removing a bind_server_ from the list of bind servers the resolver will consult.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:07:06 +1100 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>  Subject: Re: copy/ftp , Message-ID: <3DF9A33A.5080502@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Karl Rohwedder wrote: B > Why don't you use DECnet/OSI over IP, it works very well for us. >   F Because anything related to DEC or VMS is anathemic to our corporate. + They pay Gartner big bucks to tell them so.    Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:22:08 +1100 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>  Subject: Re: copy/ftp , Message-ID: <3DF9A6C0.5000108@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Chris Clifford wrote: I > "Karl Rohwedder" <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> wrote in message + > news:at9ul0$hk82@doiweb4.volkswagen.de...  >  >  >>Paddy O'Brien wrote: >>I >>>The ongoing saga of our corporate wanting to dish DECnet (and anything   >>>remotely concerned with VMS). >>> G >>>We have looked at RCP and it appears not to be able to copy with VMS  >>>attributes -- VMS to VMS. >  > B >>Why don't you use DECnet/OSI over IP, it works very well for us. >> >  > K > I've got to agree. About two years ago we moved to DECnet Phase V over IP L > using DNS for name resolution and have had few problems. It performs well,L > initially looks horrible to configure but is in reality very simple... youH > can then use the standard COPY without the /FTP as you've done before. >   G To you and Karl,  we had heard that Phase v could "tunnel" through IP.  F However, we are rank amateurs in networking (electrical engineers and G programmers who with readings from Info-VAX are able to cope with much  H system admin) and a previous attempt at installing Phase V we could not F get working.  Neither our previous Compaq contractors nor our current G Fujitsu contractors seem to have experience here.  And we are out on a  I limb as far as corporate is concerned, i.e. we cannot use any contractor  < resources for something that Gartner tells them is "legacy".  F Thanks for all responses from everyone.  My colleague has been trying I copy/ftp, says it works, but takes aeons.  I think it was Chris who said  F something in another thread similar to the fact that a 100Mb link via > DECnet required a 1Gb link via IP to get the same performance.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:35:44 +0100 % From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>  Subject: Re: copy/ftp . Message-ID: <atc64o$34b$1@info.service.rug.nl>  7 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message = & news:3DF8E3BA.4010603@tsoft-inc.com... > Joseph Huber wrote:  >=20 >=20F > >>>According to me, copy/ftp preserves attributes without additional' > >>>qualifiers, if destination is VMS.  > >>>  > >>>  > >>One restriction:5 > >>  VMS attribute preservation works if and only if 7 > >>  the FTP software is the same on both ends, ie.=20  >=20 >=20# > I'll provide some backup on this.  >=20/ > Running VMS V7.2-1 and TCPIP V5 at both ends:  >=20E > I can use FTP, going out over the internet, to a firewall (unix I =  think), then=20 B > to a VMS system.  All file copies (FTP) preserve all attributes. >=20I > When the IP packets leave the source system, if they are not unpacked = 
 until they=20 H > reach the destination system, then it's reasonable that the internal = data will=20C > be usable.  From this perspective, I have to wonder why the FTP =  software on each=20 G > end needs to be the same.  Possibly some assumptions built into the =  software,=20/ > rather than putting everything into the data?  >=20 > Dave  J Yes. File attributes are not part of the data. The FTP protocol needs an =	 extension H to transfer the file attributes. (FTP only knows about ascii or binary = transfers.) H This is implemented differently on different ftp implementations under = VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:30:02 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: copy/ftp , Message-ID: <3DF8E3BA.4010603@tsoft-inc.com>   Joseph Huber wrote:     D >>>According to me, copy/ftp preserves attributes without additional% >>>qualifiers, if destination is VMS.  >>>  >>>  >>One restriction:3 >>  VMS attribute preservation works if and only if 3 >>  the FTP software is the same on both ends, ie.      ! I'll provide some backup on this.   - Running VMS V7.2-1 and TCPIP V5 at both ends:   O I can use FTP, going out over the internet, to a firewall (unix I think), then  @ to a VMS system.  All file copies (FTP) preserve all attributes.  Q When the IP packets leave the source system, if they are not unpacked until they  O reach the destination system, then it's reasonable that the internal data will  Q be usable.  From this perspective, I have to wonder why the FTP software on each  N end needs to be the same.  Possibly some assumptions built into the software, - rather than putting everything into the data?    Dave   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2002 14:34:52 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: copy/ftp 3 Message-ID: <nO0BcLVwDpjh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <3DF84E7D.1080904@tg.nsw.gov.au>, Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> writes:I > The ongoing saga of our corporate wanting to dish DECnet (and anything   > remotely concerned with VMS).  > G > We have looked at RCP and it appears not to be able to copy with VMS   > attributes -- VMS to VMS.  > J > According to our local network "expert", neither does copy/ftp.  Though F > there seem to be qualifiers that should effect this.  HELP seems to / > imply that it is the basic U**X copy not VMS.   E    Wrong.  This is stack dependent.  copy/ftp will use whatever stack D    you have installed.  Any stack other than UCX will do STRU VMS so<    that VMS attributes are not lost on a VMS - VMS transfer.  (    I do this with Multinet all the time.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:26:19 -0500 * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>, Subject: Re: DCPS 2.1 and HP LaserJet 5000GN5 Message-ID: <121220021526194751%paul.anderson@hp.com>   ? In article <at61pe$l7e$1@fang.dsto.defence.gov.au>, Mark Daniel $ <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote:  G > We are having troubles getting a new LaserJet 5000GN to behave itself  > with DCPS 2.1 (7.3-1).  D > When a job is queued the 5000 responds with "Recieving Data", thenC > "Processing Job", then "Ready" - no output (and does this several F > times as DCPS retries I guess), and the queue status show the job asC > "printing". The queue eventually 'stops' and the symbiont process  > exits.  B What is the printer's personality?  It should be set to AUTO or PSE (PostScript).  Although we know of no problems with the LaserJet 5000 @ in AUTO mode, try changing it to PostScript to see if it makes a difference.   9 > Initially the job remained at "starting" so I've define E > DCPS$LAS3_NO_SYNC which has produced the "printing" status (I don't A > think this has actually resolved any issue though, DCPS is just G > jumping over the 'sync'/"starting" stage to make the job "printing").   F I suppose you could call DCPS's skipping of the ^T processing when the= NO_SYNC logical name is defined as "jumping over" that part.  ; Obviously, that's not your problem, at least not all of it.   : > Anyone have this model of printer working with DCPS 2.1?  ? I'm sure many do, including here in the DCPS lab.  What is your  printer's firmware datecode?   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:12:45 -0500 * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>, Subject: Re: DCPS 2.1 and HP LaserJet 5000GN5 Message-ID: <131220021212452192%paul.anderson@hp.com>   ? In article <atb23n$i5q$1@fang.dsto.defence.gov.au>, Mark Daniel $ <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote:   > Paul Anderson wrote:C > > In article <at61pe$l7e$1@fang.dsto.defence.gov.au>, Mark Daniel ( > > <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote:  - > > What is your printer's firmware datecode?  >  > 971111 MOBY3.60   D I should have checked the DCPS documentation first.  From the System Manager's Guide:  '   10.19 HP LaserJet 4000, 4050 and 5000   $     10.19.1 Minimum Firmware Version  E     To use an HP LaserJet 4000 or 5000 printer from DCPS, the printer E     must be running a minimum firmware version of 19980714 MB3.68. To G     use an HP LaserJet 4050 printer, it is recommended that the printer E     be running a minimum firmware version of 19991030 MB6.30. Earlier A     versions of firmware may cause problems such as misprinted or F     missing characters when using the DCPS ANSI translator, especiallyD     when printing jobs with landscape orientation or NUMBER_UP. ThisD     firmware version number is displayed as Firmware Datecode on the!     printers configuration page.   G     If your printer is running an older version of firmware, contact HP F     and request the proper version. The new firmware will be sent on a)     SIMM to be installed in your printer.   G So although you aren't experiencing the problem mentioned (yet) I would . suggest getting a newer printer firmware SIMM.  H > We have a software maintenance contract.  Should I just put in a call?  G Yes, but not a DCPS software call.  Last I knew, one way to get printer C firmware SIMMs was to call HP Parts Direct at 800-227-8164.  Select 1 "parts order" and then "personal/small business".    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:13:44 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: death of alpha on slashdot 2 Message-ID: <xcudnVL6Ooitu2SgXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  5 "Baby Peanut" <baby_p_nut@yahoo.com> wrote in message 6 news:c5cf6e8.0212120812.73097314@posting.google.com...= > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message + news:<3DF109AA.6895450A@vl.videotron.ca>...    ...   L > > It is no wonder Carly might now refocus on the wintel business since she isK > > realising her enterprise business has not a bright future since she put  all 3 > > her enterprise eggs in the failing IA64 basket.  >  > What are you talking about?   : Clearly something you don't understand at all:  see below.  )   HP has a promising enterprise offering:  > < > http://siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article.php/1555681 >  > and people like them:  > 9 > http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,107933,00.asp   I You appear to be seriously confused:  the first article you cite above is F about HPTC systems that have virtually nothing to do with 'enterprise'F business, and the only reference to 'enterprise'-level products in the# second is a passing one to storage.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:24:03 +0100r" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>. Subject: DEC C and DEC CXX licenses (on a VAX)6 Message-ID: <atcu36$12j1d4$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  I One of my systems has a C license loaded. Does that license cover the C++D1 (CXX) compiler as well or is that a separate PAK?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:36:03 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: DEC C and DEC CXX licenses (on a VAX)5 Message-ID: <07nK9.20784$H67.94343@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>n   That's a separate PAK AFAIK    --   SyltremXI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)o8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  = "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> a crit dans le message de news:?+ atcu36$12j1d4$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de....K > One of my systems has a C license loaded. Does that license cover the C++ 3 > (CXX) compiler as well or is that a separate PAK?b >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:54:46 +0100f2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)2 Subject: Re: DEC C and DEC CXX licenses (on a VAX); Message-ID: <3dfa02c6.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   ! Hans Vlems (hvlems@iae.nl) wrote:oK > One of my systems has a C license loaded. Does that license cover the C++ 3 > (CXX) compiler as well or is that a separate PAK?   / AFAIK, CXX needs a different PAK (named CXX-V).s   cu,e   Martin -- rD                     | Martin Vorlaender    |    VMS & WNT programmer-   Smiert Spamionem  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.denD                     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/4                     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:49:34 +0000 (UTC)a5 From: "John Wallace" <johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk>e. Subject: Re: DEC product line taken over by HP/ Message-ID: <atchgd$678$1@helle.btinternet.com>l  A "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message   news:3DF8F1C2.7060201@Free.fr...E > I learned something very interesting yesterday. I called the COMPAQp	 RetailerscK > hot line and asked for advisory support on a potential VAX/VMS to Itaniumn( > migration in a few years time (or so). >n
 <big snip>  L > Her: "Ah! A DIGITAL product! Yes we do take care of this product line now, sincemJ > the merger with COMPAQ, but we have not yet been trained on them and I'm sorry It7 > cannot help. Please get in touch with your salesman".  >m	 > THE ENDn >  > D. > --6 >    -------------------------------------------------5 > MORANDI Consultants - http://Didier.Morandi.Free.frn3 >    19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.o5 > Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax : +33 (0)5 6154 1928n5 > OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans. 5 > ---------------------------------------------------n5 > Anti-publicit : enlever ".nospam" pour me rpondreu >i  J There was (is, if you're quick) an EMEA-wide presales support organisationJ in Compaq Scotland targeted at enterprise resellers. The EMEA Presales areL the folks who organised the recent Knowledge Transfer Event I attended. Good> people, know their stuff. VAX isn't a formal focus area but...  B Access to them would help. But they're not available to everybody;I officially, just resellers with a direct relationship with HP/Compaq, andfG also people with relevant Compaq ASE certification. On their website at$H http://www.compaq.com/emea/presalessupport they go into more detail intoI what they can do and how to get at them. If you aren't ASE certified or a L direct HP/Compaq reseller then the rules say you must go via someone who is.6 Rules and reality sometimes vary, sometimes helpfully.  @ Most big companies haven't managed the art of appearing like oneL organisation in front of their customer, even though many executives seem toG think they have. HP/Compaq "retailers" are something I'd associate with-K Presario (yuk) and Pavilion (not so yuk)); I wouldn't expect their retailer L support line to know about VAX, but I might hope they'd know where to direct4 a call more helpfully than "contact your sales mgr".   hth  rgds john   .r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:29:54 +0100o4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>* Subject: DEC product line taken over by HP& Message-ID: <3DF8F1C2.7060201@Free.fr>  N I learned something very interesting yesterday. I called the COMPAQ Retailers J hot line and asked for advisory support on a potential VAX/VMS to Itanium & migration in a few years time (or so).  K The folk at the phone said: "Sorry Sir, we COMPAQ do not handle the former 9O DIGITAL products. They have been given to the HP Support Organisation (sic). I 3 transfer you, please hold on".  P Then, came a young lady: "HP partners hot-line mumblefratz services, can I help  you? " (in French).8  O I said: "Well, probably. I have been approached by a Customer who is wondering  Q about their VAX/VMS future and I was wondering how you could help me to convince  < them to move to the IA64 family instead of going elsewhere".  - She said: "Ouax? How do you spell that, Sir?"   M I said: "It's not Ouax, it's VAX; Am I not in relation with the HP retailers   Support?" (naive).  M She said: "Yes you are but I do not know any HP product with that name, Sir."   P Me: "It is not an HP product, it is a former DIGITAL product, the VAX chip, you   know? The one before the Alpha".  Q Her: "Ah! A DIGITAL product! Yes we do take care of this product line now, since  Q the merger with COMPAQ, but we have not yet been trained on them and I'm sorry I t5 cannot help. Please get in touch with your salesman".r   THE ENDm   D. -- a4    -------------------------------------------------3 MORANDI Consultants - http://Didier.Morandi.Free.frt1    19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France._3 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax : +33 (0)5 6154 1928l3 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans. 3 ---------------------------------------------------43 Anti-publicit : enlever ".nospam" pour me rpondre    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:56:35 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>. Subject: Re: DEC product line taken over by HP& Message-ID: <3DF9D903.9060902@Free.fr>   John Wallace a crit:- ../..rK > officially, just resellers with a direct relationship with HP/Compaq, andTI > also people with relevant Compaq ASE certification. On their website at.J > http://www.compaq.com/emea/presalessupport they go into more detail intoK > what they can do and how to get at them. If you aren't ASE certified or a N > direct HP/Compaq reseller then the rules say you must go via someone who is.8 > Rules and reality sometimes vary, sometimes helpfully.  K I am both, via the "exam" I passed at COMPAQ Toulouse ans via the shop The pQ Pachacamac (www.pachacamac.com) that I created in 2000. We are COMPAQ accredited ,  resellers (and APPLE as well...)   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:55:25 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: DECnet over IP - which TCP port?e4 Message-ID: <1ghK9.170647$A9.1840494@news.chello.at>  P In article <3DF68262.2020501@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:G >I'm trying to set up DECnet over IP between two isolated IP networks,  F >and need to knock holes in the appropriate firewalls for the traffic. >(D >I see two ports mentioned- 102/TCP (RFC 1006 / STD 35) and 399/TCP H >(RFC 1859).  Anyone know which (or both, or another ?) are used in the  >DECnet-Plus imlementation?c  K Yes. OSI uses port 102, DECnet uses port 399, so DECnet-plus mentions both.MJ If you don't use the OSI part of DECnet-plus, then port 399 is sufficient.L btw: Communication is between port 399 and port 399. No high ports involved.  H Note however that other IP stacks uses other ports for their own DECnet-J encapsulated-in-IP implementation. But they don't require DECnet-Plus. AndL as you mentioned DECnet-Plus, you can safely ignore this 'proprietary' ports. as you surely don't use these features then...   -- a Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistr E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:14:42 -0500 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> 6 Subject: field test of DECprint Supervisor (DCPS) V2.2* Message-ID: <atd82m$9pe$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Dear Newsgroup,q  I Please keep in mind that this information is new and may not have reacheds all areas of hp.  H OpenVMS Engineering is pleased to announce that a field test of DECprint; Supervisor (DCPS) V2.2, called DCPS G2.2, is now available.n  L The major features of DCPS V2.2 will be new printer support and the additionJ of autostart capability to DCPS queues. DCPS V2.2 will add support for the following printers:    GENICOM Intelliprint mL260   HP Color LaserJet 2500, 5500  - LaserJet 4200, 4300, 5100, 4100 MFP, 9000 MFPf   Lexmark C750  G DCPS G2.2 fixes some problems found in the previous field test version,yK F2.2. Please see the G2.2 Release Notes for a full list of enhancements andfK bug fixes. The SPD, Software Installation Guide, System Manager's Guide andkJ User's Guide have not been changed for this release, but will be available shortly.  H This is the last field test kit before the final release of DCPS V2.2 inJ January, and will expire on July 1, 2003. Please report any problems to me at paul.anderson@hp.com .f  - To download DCPS G2.2 kits and documentation:u  A From a command line FTP client, issue the following commands (use ? 'anonymous' for Username and your e-mail address for Password):Q   ftp xfer.support.compaq.come   cd to_customer   binary   get <file_name>o    From a browser, the location is:  5 ftp://xfer.support.compaq.com/to_customer/<file_name>l  I where <file_name> is the name of the file you want to copy. Note that youeK cannot browse the contents of the 'to_customer' directory, but must specifyd( the exact file name. The file names are:  . dcps_g22_alpha.zip DCPS G2.2 for OpenVMS Alpha  * dcps_g22_vax.zip DCPS G2.2 for OpenVMS VAX  2 dcps_g22_documentation.zip DCPS G2.2 documentation   Paul  
 Paul Andersono   OpenVMS Engineeringe   Hewlett-Packard Companyw   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:16:08 -0500s5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> 7 Subject: field test of DECprint Supervisor (DCPS) V2.2,b* Message-ID: <atd85i$9qn$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Dear Newsgroup,   J Please be aware that this information may not have reached all areas of hp yet.
 Warm regards,o suem   From: Anderson, Paul (OpenVMS)  ( Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:18 AM  L To: Bill Hall; Carl Friedberg; Dave Smith; Eric Chatelard; Geoff Down; GlennK Everhart; Henk Rijsman; John Stanley; Karl Rohwedder; Kevin Gassert; MartinsL Walker; Nick Rotenko; Peter Langstoeger; Roy Richards; Ruslan Laishev; Scott0 Harrod; Sean Coughlan; Steve Reece; Theo Jakobus  ' Subject: DCPS G2.2 field test available   H OpenVMS Engineering is pleased to announce that a field test of DECprint; Supervisor (DCPS) V2.2, called DCPS G2.2, is now available.e  L The major features of DCPS V2.2 will be new printer support and the additionJ of autostart capability to DCPS queues. DCPS V2.2 will add support for the following printers:p   GENICOM Intelliprint mL260   HP Color LaserJet 2500, 5500  - LaserJet 4200, 4300, 5100, 4100 MFP, 9000 MFPe   Lexmark C750  G DCPS G2.2 fixes some problems found in the previous field test version,.K F2.2. Please see the G2.2 Release Notes for a full list of enhancements andIK bug fixes. The SPD, Software Installation Guide, System Manager's Guide andoJ User's Guide have not been changed for this release, but will be available shortly.  H This is the last field test kit before the final release of DCPS V2.2 inJ January, and will expire on July 1, 2003. Please report any problems to me at paul.anderson@hp.com .   - To download DCPS G2.2 kits and documentation:   A From a command line FTP client, issue the following commands (usee? 'anonymous' for Username and your e-mail address for Password):o   ftp xfer.support.compaq.com    cd to_customer   binary   get <file_name>     From a browser, the location is:  5 ftp://xfer.support.compaq.com/to_customer/<file_name>n  I where <file_name> is the name of the file you want to copy. Note that youlK cannot browse the contents of the 'to_customer' directory, but must specifyi( the exact file name. The file names are:  . dcps_g22_alpha.zip DCPS G2.2 for OpenVMS Alpha  * dcps_g22_vax.zip DCPS G2.2 for OpenVMS VAX  2 dcps_g22_documentation.zip DCPS G2.2 documentation   Paul  
 Paul Anderson    OpenVMS Engineeringf   Hewlett-Packard Companye   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 01:34:21 -0800' From: piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers)v= Subject: Getting information about WWID with lexical functionr= Message-ID: <be44b12d.0212130134.2cddac10@posting.google.com>g    I have a disk unit, see example:  B Disk $1$DGA192: (UR1), device type HSG80, is online, file-oriented device,fC     shareable, device has multiple I/O paths, served to cluster viae MSCP Server,     error logging is enabled.   F     Error count                    1    Operations completed            4559756F     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM];     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot             S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W F     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                 512;     WWID   01000010:6000-1FE1-0006-3BC0-0009-0251-1744-0079pF     Total blocks            71112778    Sectors per track                   254F     Total cylinders            13999    Tracks per cylinder                  20$     Allocation class               1  $   I/O paths to device              4E   Path PGA0.5000-1FE1-0006-3BC3    (UR1), primary path, current path.aF     Error count                    1    Operations completed            4494244)   Path PGA0.5000-1FE1-0006-3BC2    (UR1).aF     Error count                    0    Operations completed              27818)   Path PGB0.5000-1FE1-0006-3BC4    (UR1).sF     Error count                    0    Operations completed              27826)   Path PGB0.5000-1FE1-0006-3BC1    (UR1).rF     Error count                    0    Operations completed               9868  C Now I need to know the name of the GGA device where it is connectedf to:    $ sh dev gga  . Device                  Device           Error.  Name                   Status           Count. $1$GGA8:                Online               0. $1$GGA31766:            Online               0. $1$GGA32765:            Online               0  ( How can I the name off the correct GGA. ? I need to get this information in a procedure, so if possible anF lexical function to get this information is preferred. I had looked in; F$GETDVI but I do not see itemcodes to get WWI information.h   $ sh dev gga8/full< Device $1$GGA8:, device type Generic SCSI device, is online, shareable, deviceh     has multiple I/O paths.   F     Error count                    0    Operations completed             111547F     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]3     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot   : S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPLoF     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                   0'     WWID   02000008:5000-1FE1-0006-3BC0   ( As you can see the correct one is GGA8, ; compare the GGA8 WWID value (5000-1FE1-0006-3BC0) with the @1 device I/O paths,           (5000-1FE1-0006-3BC1)j   Thanks,d   Piet Timmers   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:23:16 +0100 0 From: "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1>A Subject: Re: Getting information about WWID with lexical functiona1 Message-ID: <9blK9.14$6M.324670@news.cpqcorp.net>   4 "Piet Timmers" <piet@timmers-it.nl> wrote in message7 news:be44b12d.0212130134.2cddac10@posting.google.com... " > I have a disk unit, see example: >dD > Disk $1$DGA192: (UR1), device type HSG80, is online, file-oriented	 > device,,E >     shareable, device has multiple I/O paths, served to cluster vian > MSCP Server,   Hello    I see at (url may wrap)yL http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/docs/openvms0731/731final/6318/6318pro_010.html   in7 7.5.3 Management Support for Fibre Channel Tape Devices   F The following DCL support for Fibre Channel tape devices is available:  K   a.. The SHOW DEVICE/FULL command displays the WWID for Fibre Channel tapeV devices.E   b.. The F$GETDVI lexical function supports the keyword WWID , which - returns the Fibre Channel tape device's WWID.u Regards:   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:15:47 +0100o9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> : Subject: Re: History,design and implementation of VMS info' Message-ID: <3DF90A93.816CBC73@aaa.com>p   gilbert wrote: > H > There is a lot of information on the web on unix but relatively littleD > on VMS. I know next to nothing about VMS. Is there a book or guideF > (hopefully online) on the design/internals and implementation of the > vms/openvms operating system?e  * Check : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/    D > Another question: is it a better operating system than the unixes?   What is UNIX ???< Do you have any pointers where I could learn more about it ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:44:42 GMTT8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond): Subject: Re: History,design and implementation of VMS info1 Message-ID: <KfnK9.26$DS.535668@news.cpqcorp.net>E  > In article <c3a903ea.0212121409.42db7b51@posting.google.com>, / gilbert_aka_gilbert@yahoo.com (gilbert) writes:    ..J >Another question: is [OpenVMS] a better operating system than the unixes?  I As you work toward an understanding of this question, remember that thereaE are quite a few implementation of "Unix", each with its own relative u strengths and weaknesses.C  H NOTE:  "OpenVMS" is the new name for "VMS"; both names refer to the same operating system.s   -- PI       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USAtH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 08:56:08 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)-: Subject: Re: History,design and implementation of VMS info3 Message-ID: <ZRE7$NZRYqzT@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  m In article <c3a903ea.0212121409.42db7b51@posting.google.com>, gilbert_aka_gilbert@yahoo.com (gilbert) writes:zH > There is a lot of information on the web on unix but relatively littleD > on VMS. I know next to nothing about VMS. Is there a book or guideF > (hopefully online) on the design/internals and implementation of the > vms/openvms operating system?C  G    You'ld better learn the externals first, or the internals won't makeeD    a lot of sense.  www.openvms.compaq.com will get you to an online    copy of the doc set.   D > Another question: is it a better operating system than the unixes?  F    You can start religion wars with a question like that, but the real
    answer is:>         ABSOLUTELY!S  	 > GilbertY   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 09:00:11 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o: Subject: Re: History,design and implementation of VMS info3 Message-ID: <i3g929U7OL+A@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  ` In article <4sajvu8mjnpbtubbs76esk5c7u3j886uio@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > 8 > I believe it's some add on service you can get for NT. > G > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/productinfo/overview/default.aspA > F > "The Interix technology provides a UNIX environment that runs on top > the Windows kernel  =    Something expensive to compete with a free copy of Cygwin?V   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:16:03 -0800 , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>- Subject: Holes in my CSWS (apache) access_log*5 Message-ID: <atctjl$11u456$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>s  C I'm running CSWS 1.2 in production and the inevitable has happened.r? Management wants usage statistics.  I got webalizer running ande> it makes lovely graphs, but the usage seemed really weird, one@ day the server got 28k hits, the next day 68 hits.  I thought it9 was a webalizer problem, but no.  In the access_log thereh= are stretches of missing data. For example on one day nothingr= in the log from 06:00 until 14:00, and I know the service wase being used.i  3 My conf file has the default setting for logs, i.e.e    CustomLog logs/access_log common  8 Is this a known problem?  Would upgrading to 1.3 fix it?   Jimu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:19:18 -0800y, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>1 Subject: Re: Holes in my CSWS (apache) access_logt5 Message-ID: <atd1a8$12lgnv$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>*  = I just spoke to CSWS support.  This is a known problem if the-> command @sys$startup:apache$config flush has been used.  Seems: some tiime later the voids will show up.  A fix is pending@ in "a week or two".  I'm off on vacation so hopefully it will be ready when I return.  ? btw, using @sys$startup:apache$config new doesn't seem to causeaB the problem so that could be scheduled for every night/week/month.  A I have said this before, but am again reminded how great it is tod8 have support for these open source products.  A lot more= efficient use of my time than browsing mailing list archives.M   Jima  7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in messaget/ news:atctjl$11u456$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de... E > I'm running CSWS 1.2 in production and the inevitable has happened. A > Management wants usage statistics.  I got webalizer running and.@ > it makes lovely graphs, but the usage seemed really weird, oneB > day the server got 28k hits, the next day 68 hits.  I thought it; > was a webalizer problem, but no.  In the access_log there ? > are stretches of missing data. For example on one day nothingw? > in the log from 06:00 until 14:00, and I know the service wasg
 > being used.h >a5 > My conf file has the default setting for logs, i.e.m >m" > CustomLog logs/access_log common >g: > Is this a known problem?  Would upgrading to 1.3 fix it? >a > Jima >r >o >u   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 00:06:50 -0800$ From: wellingo@gvb.nl (Onno Welling)2 Subject: How to configure discs om a Mylex DAC960?< Message-ID: <6b3c917e.0212130006.d1d0d19@posting.google.com>   Hello!  E I have an Alphaserver 800 with a Mylex DAC960 SCSI controller. I havepF both internal and external discs in my Alphaserver. As I am setting upD a new cluster (2 * Alphaserver 800, VMS 7.2-2) I need to reconfigureB de discs on the Mylex controller. To achieve that, I use a utilityE called RA200RCU and the graphical console. I want to have JBOD discs,* no RAID.  F I have a DRA0 device, and I want to make this DRA5. WITHOUT physicallyF moving the disc to another slot, how do I do that? Is that possible at all?   Any advise welcome,o Onno.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:44:29 +0100 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>6 Subject: Re: How to configure discs om a Mylex DAC960?/ Message-ID: <atcdmb$ifl1@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>e   Onno Welling wrote:o > Hello! > G > I have an Alphaserver 800 with a Mylex DAC960 SCSI controller. I have H > both internal and external discs in my Alphaserver. As I am setting upF > a new cluster (2 * Alphaserver 800, VMS 7.2-2) I need to reconfigureD > de discs on the Mylex controller. To achieve that, I use a utilityG > called RA200RCU and the graphical console. I want to have JBOD discs,n
 > no RAID. > H > I have a DRA0 device, and I want to make this DRA5. WITHOUT physicallyH > moving the disc to another slot, how do I do that? Is that possible at > all? >  > Any advise welcome,  > Onno.F  9 I suggest strongly to read the manual for the controller.g  G I think, you had to to 'destroy' the disks currently defined and set up.H the controller from scratch (data is lost). Just changing the id is not # possible, if memory serve me right.r   --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regardsi    Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de - mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de2   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:53:57 -05007! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>= Subject: Re: HP and DirecTVt' Message-ID: <3DF9E675.5855F361@vcu.edu>   7 man... and how long does it take to back all that up???F   Michael Austin wrote:e >  > John McLean wrote: > >  > <irrelevant stuff snipped> > C > > HP is a longtime IT partner with DIRECTV, hosting the satellitehF > > television service provider's billing computing infrastructure forK > > nearly 10 years. Last year, HP installed a 114-terabyte HP StorageWorksnI > > storage area network (SAN) to support DIRECTV's billing applications,aK > > one of the largest VMS SANs ever deployed for corporate use anywhere in.
 > > the worlds > >n > > ... (continues)T > I > Hmmmm.. the company I work for will exceed 114TB with our next purchasenJ > -- soon.  We just surpassed 100TB when we installed 2 more T5's.  All itF > takes is  < five "T5" StorageWorks configurations using 72GB drives. > G > A T5 config consist of 2 cabinets with 12 shelves each with 14 drivesaG > per shelf (336 drives total*72 = 24TB) and 4 HSG80's.   And just wait@5 > until the 144GB drives come out early next year....g >  > --
 > Regards, > 8 > Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:53:51 GMTi1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>h Subject: Re: HP and DirecTV 2 Message-ID: <3DFA2B3E.3471CD04@firstdbasource.com>   Jim Agnew wrote: > 9 > man... and how long does it take to back all that up???o >  > Michael Austin wrote:h > >  > > John McLean wrote: > > >e > > <irrelevant stuff snipped> > >hE > > > HP is a longtime IT partner with DIRECTV, hosting the satelliteiH > > > television service provider's billing computing infrastructure forM > > > nearly 10 years. Last year, HP installed a 114-terabyte HP StorageWorksTK > > > storage area network (SAN) to support DIRECTV's billing applications,iM > > > one of the largest VMS SANs ever deployed for corporate use anywhere in  > > > the world- > > >- > > > ... (continues)2 > >4K > > Hmmmm.. the company I work for will exceed 114TB with our next purchaseuL > > -- soon.  We just surpassed 100TB when we installed 2 more T5's.  All itH > > takes is  < five "T5" StorageWorks configurations using 72GB drives. > >wI > > A T5 config consist of 2 cabinets with 12 shelves each with 14 drivestI > > per shelf (336 drives total*72 = 24TB) and 4 HSG80's.   And just wait 7 > > until the 144GB drives come out early next year....t > >t > > -- > > Regards, > >c: > > Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984  
 a while... :)r -- m Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:38:06 +0100e6 From: Horst Drechsel <ai05@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de> Subject: http_server crashes< Message-ID: <00A1860B.6C29497A.2@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>   Hi all,S  8    our www server crashes regularly a few times per day, the reason being unknown.-  9    The HTTP_SERVER_ERR.LOG files produced when the servero  is screwed up all look the same:  F ======================================================================F HTTP DECThreads server, version 1.9, 12-JUL-1995, compiled Nov 16 1995 05:23:02 Opened trace file, '', level: 0u. Opened access log file, 'access.log', level: 0( service args: start='mapimage', init='-'' service args: start='cgifork', init='-'u: service args: start='(omnimap,http_omnimap_mst)', init='-': service args: start='(testcgi,http_testcgi_mst)', init='-'% Set DECC library for multi-thread use C Enabled management interface, requests must come from 127.0.0.1.931'- Created authenticator process, PID = 2C0036BEh3 CEL Authenticator, V 1.3, initialized successfully.  Setting cache size to 0   + Port: 80, Client limit: 71, logger level: 0J! Error returned from execve call 9g! |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||sG =======================================================================f  '    Environment: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on XP1000d.                 VMS721_UPDATE V3.0       Patch.                 TCPIP_ECO V5.0-113       Patch  D    Does anybody know what the error message means? Could the crashesA be caused by some attempted misuse of our www server, overload ors2 insufficient resources (UAF or SYSGEN parameters)?  D    Any hints where to look for the problem would be welcome, thanks.         Horst Drechsel        --M  **************************************************************************** )   Horst Drechsel                         mL   Dr. Remeis Observatory                 drechsel@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.deL   Astronomical Institute                             Phone: +49-951-95222-15L   University Erlangen-Nuernberg                        Fax: +49-951-95222-22*   Sternwartstr.7, D-96049 Bamberg, GermanyM  ****************************************************************************o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:38:49 +0200a6 From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman.remove-this@tzora.co.il>  Subject: Re: http_server crashes* Message-ID: <3DF9B8B9.5070303@tzora.co.il>   Horst Drechsel wrote:s	 > Hi all,a > : >    our www server crashes regularly a few times per day, > the reason being unknown.  > ; >    The HTTP_SERVER_ERR.LOG files produced when the serverd" > is screwed up all look the same: > H > ======================================================================H > HTTP DECThreads server, version 1.9, 12-JUL-1995, compiled Nov 16 1995
 > 05:23:02! > Opened trace file, '', level: 0s0 > Opened access log file, 'access.log', level: 0* > service args: start='mapimage', init='-') > service args: start='cgifork', init='-'e< > service args: start='(omnimap,http_omnimap_mst)', init='-'< > service args: start='(testcgi,http_testcgi_mst)', init='-'' > Set DECC library for multi-thread use_E > Enabled management interface, requests must come from 127.0.0.1.931 / > Created authenticator process, PID = 2C0036BE 5 > CEL Authenticator, V 1.3, initialized successfully., > Setting cache size to 0s > - > Port: 80, Client limit: 71, logger level: 0 # > Error returned from execve call 9r# > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||eI > =======================================================================r > ) >    Environment: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on XP1000i0 >                 VMS721_UPDATE V3.0       Patch0 >                 TCPIP_ECO V5.0-113       Patch > F >    Does anybody know what the error message means? Could the crashesC > be caused by some attempted misuse of our www server, overload or 4 > insufficient resources (UAF or SYSGEN parameters)? > F >    Any hints where to look for the problem would be welcome, thanks. >  >       Horst Drechsel >      >  > --O >  ****************************************************************************D+ >   Horst Drechsel                         BN >   Dr. Remeis Observatory                 drechsel@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.deN >   Astronomical Institute                             Phone: +49-951-95222-15N >   University Erlangen-Nuernberg                        Fax: +49-951-95222-22, >   Sternwartstr.7, D-96049 Bamberg, GermanyO >  ****************************************************************************f  < Sounds as if (looks like) you're running the OSU web server.? 1. Collect more info - e.g. what version OSU server, doing whatoA 2. There is a newsgroup or forum (memory suffers severe slippage)iA specific to this webserver software - I know you can read it from/? http://eisner.encompasserve.org. Look for the WWW-VMS (sp?) ng.p   Mike   -- c  & New to c.o.vms? allow me to recommend:6 http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htm= Other useful links at http://eisner.decusserve.org/~rechtman/gE ---------------------------------------------------------------------sE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.l? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*4E Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home):(972)-2-9908337CC    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"fE ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2002 17:52:45 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)e  Subject: Re: http_server crashes: Message-ID: <atd6pd$ddq$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>   Horst Drechsel wrote: H > HTTP DECThreads server, version 1.9, 12-JUL-1995, compiled Nov 16 1995
 > 05:23:02! > Opened trace file, '', level: 0f0 > Opened access log file, 'access.log', level: 0* > service args: start='mapimage', init='-') > service args: start='cgifork', init='-'e< > service args: start='(omnimap,http_omnimap_mst)', init='-'< > service args: start='(testcgi,http_testcgi_mst)', init='-'' > Set DECC library for multi-thread use+E > Enabled management interface, requests must come from 127.0.0.1.931-/ > Created authenticator process, PID = 2C0036BE15 > CEL Authenticator, V 1.3, initialized successfully.V > Setting cache size to 0C >a- > Port: 80, Client limit: 71, logger level: 0f# > Error returned from execve call 9r  J The call to execve failed with errno 9 (bad file number), which caused theJ server exit.  The fork-based scripting in the OSU server doesn't work veryH well, current versions of the server don't even configure it by default.  J If this just started happening, then most likely something on your networkH is probing for ancient security holes is unix web servers that depend onG broken scripts in /cgibin.  Check your access logs and remove the "exec + /cgibin" rule from your configuration file.-      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet:hL 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.3   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:49:30 -0500y5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>d& Subject: Internals and Data Structures* Message-ID: <atcohg$rh9$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Dear Newsgroup,   E My apologies if I already told you this, but I just can not remember.pJ Anyway, are you aware that there is a new OpenVMS Alpha Internals and DataG Structures (Memory Management) book by Ruth Goldenberg.  At the OpenVMStH Symposium we got the first copies off the presses and along with OpenVMSJ with Apache, OSU and WASD by Alan Winston, we gave a copy to each attendeeB (until we ran out). The publisher is Digital Press, ISBN number is
 1-55558-159-56  
 Warm Regards,: Sue(   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 08:24:01 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-* Subject: Re: Internals and Data Structures3 Message-ID: <Dd+WblMsao3I@eisner.encompasserve.org>q  b In article <atcohg$rh9$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes: > Dear Newsgroup,a > G > My apologies if I already told you this, but I just can not remember.oL > Anyway, are you aware that there is a new OpenVMS Alpha Internals and DataI > Structures (Memory Management) book by Ruth Goldenberg.  At the OpenVMStJ > Symposium we got the first copies off the presses and along with OpenVMSL > with Apache, OSU and WASD by Alan Winston, we gave a copy to each attendee > (until we ran out).t  D Gee, those of us who push our way to the front of the line never get% to hear about "run out" incidents :-)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:39:16 -0500e From: norm.raphael@metso.com* Subject: Re: Internals and Data Structures? Message-ID: <OF069AC800.5F4994DC-ON85256C8E.0055D56E@metso.com>n  I Gee, those of us who attend lots of sessions sometimes never even hear of/ "availability"> until they hear indirectly about "'run out' incidents :-)" 8-)    E From:  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) on 12/13/2002 09:24 AMo  9 Please respond to Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)m   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:s  - Subject:    Re: Internals and Data Structures-    : In article <atcohg$rh9$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski"' <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:r > Dear Newsgroup,C >oG > My apologies if I already told you this, but I just can not remember.eG > Anyway, are you aware that there is a new OpenVMS Alpha Internals and  DataI > Structures (Memory Management) book by Ruth Goldenberg.  At the OpenVMSrJ > Symposium we got the first copies off the presses and along with OpenVMSC > with Apache, OSU and WASD by Alan Winston, we gave a copy to eache attendee > (until we ran out).s  D Gee, those of us who push our way to the front of the line never get% to hear about "run out" incidents :-)s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:59:08 -0500v5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>u* Subject: Re: Internals and Data Structures* Message-ID: <atd3lj$6h7$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   It is for version 7.3n   suef  @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:atcohg$rh9$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > Dear Newsgroup,n >tG > My apologies if I already told you this, but I just can not remember.dL > Anyway, are you aware that there is a new OpenVMS Alpha Internals and DataI > Structures (Memory Management) book by Ruth Goldenberg.  At the OpenVMSeJ > Symposium we got the first copies off the presses and along with OpenVMSL > with Apache, OSU and WASD by Alan Winston, we gave a copy to each attendeeD > (until we ran out). The publisher is Digital Press, ISBN number is > 1-55558-159-5  >  > Warm Regards,  > Sue- >- >- >- >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:05:15 -0500r5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>e* Subject: Re: Internals and Data Structures* Message-ID: <atd40h$6sj$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  : Larry check your mail title Symposium Attendees - Heads up: "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:Dd+WblMsao3I@eisner.encompasserve.org...a< > In article <atcohg$rh9$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski"' <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:: > > Dear Newsgroup,e > >rI > > My apologies if I already told you this, but I just can not remember..I > > Anyway, are you aware that there is a new OpenVMS Alpha Internals andq DataK > > Structures (Memory Management) book by Ruth Goldenberg.  At the OpenVMS L > > Symposium we got the first copies off the presses and along with OpenVMSE > > with Apache, OSU and WASD by Alan Winston, we gave a copy to each  attendee > > (until we ran out).n >eF > Gee, those of us who push our way to the front of the line never get' > to hear about "run out" incidents :-),   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:34:54 -0500m* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>0 Subject: Re: Is a process bound to only one CPU?5 Message-ID: <X5nK9.20783$H67.94362@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   G "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> a crit dans leA9 message de news: p02wfbIxaU6e@eisner.encompasserve.org... A > In article <eWHJ9.20668$H67.93638@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem"<" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes: >a> >    Would you like to explain why you think this algorithm is >    parallizeable?e >P   I did already. I know it's not.lJ The questions really should should have been "is the same CPU used for theJ whole duration of the process?" and "will OpenVMS detect possibilities for parallelism by itself?"?2 It now seems that answer is NO for both questions.   Thanks to all for your input  ? In article <QeIJ9.20671$H67.93641@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem"O" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:G > After thinking about it for a good minute or two, it makes sense that F > sequential processing (like my example) cannot be made to run faster! > than the speed of a single CPU.t         --   Syltrem.I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) 8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:52:58 +0000 (UTC) / From: "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com>e Subject: Login lexical?S0 Message-ID: <atcvoq$d64$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  H Can someone suggest a lexical which will tell me how any times a user isJ logged on, so that in their login.com I can test for this and reject theirJ logon if they have, say, more than 5 connections? Or suggest a good way of doing this?r  
 Thanks :o)   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:57:17 +0000 (UTC) / From: "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com>  Subject: Re: Login lexical? / Message-ID: <atd00t$6l8$1@venus.btinternet.com>2  - I missed an M off then... how MANY times ....S    : "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> wrote in message* news:atcvoq$d64$1@sparta.btinternet.com...J > Can someone suggest a lexical which will tell me how any times a user isL > logged on, so that in their login.com I can test for this and reject theirL > logon if they have, say, more than 5 connections? Or suggest a good way of
 > doing this?2 >  > Thanks :o) >. >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:16:00 -0500a! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>e Subject: RE: Login lexical?hK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BB3@rlghncst964.usps.gov>s  
 Rob asked:  H Can someone suggest a lexical which will tell me how any times a user isJ logged on, so that in their login.com I can test for this and reject theirJ logon if they have, say, more than 5 connections? Or suggest a good way of doing this?t  
 Thanks :o)  ================================   Rob:  # Set MAXJOBS in their SYSUAF record.w  @ This isn't what you asked for but I think will do what you want.  $ $ mcr authorize help modify /maxjobs   MODIFY  
   /MAXJOBS           /MAXJOBS=value  C      Specifies the maximum number of processes (interactive, batch, @      detached, and network) with the cited user name that can be?      active simultaneously. The first four network jobs are note@      counted. By default, a user has a maximum value of 0, which$      represents an unlimited number.  C An alternative would be a f$getjpi loop that counted the number of  D times a process existed with that user's name as part of the process name.  -   $ HELP LEXICALS F$GETJPI   LEXICALS  
   F$GETJPI  7        Returns information about the specified process.m  H        Requires GROUP privilege to obtain information on other processesH        in the same group. Requires WORLD privilege to obtain information,        on any other processes in the system.  
        Format             F$GETJPI(pid,item)n  E I don't have time to check it, but it sounds like it wouldn't work as @ part of a systemwide login unless you gave everybody privileges.  * And I certainly wouldn't recommend *that*.   HTHh ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:31:29 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Login lexical?b5 Message-ID: <_WnK9.20794$H67.94314@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>n   You can do a loop withG f$context (once, ask to look for interactive sessions for current user)r f$pid (to count how many)  If more than (yourmax) then message + logoute   --   SyltremaI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)i8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  J "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> a crit dans le message de news:% atcvoq$d64$1@sparta.btinternet.com...lJ > Can someone suggest a lexical which will tell me how any times a user isL > logged on, so that in their login.com I can test for this and reject theirL > logon if they have, say, more than 5 connections? Or suggest a good way of
 > doing this?l >e > Thanks :o) >e >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:04:42 +0100a$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> Subject: Re: Login lexical?n+ Message-ID: <00A1865A.93756086.13@decus.de>-  0 "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> wrote:  / > I missed an M off then... how MANY times ....a >  > < > "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> wrote in message, > news:atcvoq$d64$1@sparta.btinternet.com...L > > Can someone suggest a lexical which will tell me how any times a user isN > > logged on, so that in their login.com I can test for this and reject theirB > > logon if they have, say, more than 5 connections? Or suggest a good way of > > doing this?   @ A small DCL procedure with F$CONTEXT() to establish a reasonableB context (username) and F$PID() within a loop to scan the processesF that match the context. Perhaps F$GETJPI() with the item specificationE "master_PID" to distinguish between subprocesses and a process at thei top of a process tree.  - Then it is just a matter of counting them ...2   Michaeld   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:46:00 -0800G$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> Subject: RE: Login lexical? 0 Message-ID: <01C2A294.D7C16330@sulfer.icius.com>  G Why not just set their UAF to do this? I believe MAXJOBS should do whato	 you want:            /MAXJOBS=value  C      Specifies the maximum number of processes (interactive, batch,"@      detached, and network) with the cited user name that can be?      active simultaneously. The first four network jobs are not @      counted. By default, a user has a maximum value of 0, which$      represents an unlimited number.   Shane6   -----Original Message-----4 From: Rob Heyes [mailto:robert.heyes@btinternet.com]' Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 7:53 AMd To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc Subject: Login lexical?     H Can someone suggest a lexical which will tell me how any times a user isD logged on, so that in their login.com I can test for this and reject theiraG logon if they have, say, more than 5 connections? Or suggest a good way  of doing this?a  
 Thanks :o)   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 09:07:02 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)BB Subject: Re: Login lexical? (constraining logins by the same user)3 Message-ID: <btrnQ96nftVB@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  b In article <atcvoq$d64$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> writes:J > Can someone suggest a lexical which will tell me how any times a user isL > logged on, so that in their login.com I can test for this and reject theirL > logon if they have, say, more than 5 connections? Or suggest a good way of
 > doing this?    $ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM: # $ MCR AUTHORIZE HELP MODIFY/MAXJOBS6   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:26:24 -0500G* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: MAIL redirectioni5 Message-ID: <ZZmK9.20782$H67.94306@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>d   Thanks for you inputK I'll read carefully. This is not a priority so I may end up working on thise again next year.  * MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=PERSON_ON_CALL JDOE then, the next day:u. MAIL SET FORWARD/USER=PERSON_ON_CALL JTREMBLAY etc   L I thought about this. How can I switch from one account to another to modifyI the profile of another user in VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA ? I could use DLC and H hardcode the field position in the record, but I'm not hardcode-prone...E even if a good bet is that this field position will not change in the C record, for the next 100 years or so (VMS not being like weendoze).eG This would actually be the best way of doing what I want at this point.    --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)-8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  G "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> a crit dans le message dei* news: 3DF7A9DF.9A4A1C7D@vl.videotron.ca... > Syltrem wrote:K > > I would like to be able to redirect email messages to a specific persont (who0 > > changes every week) by using a logical name. >g5 > Logical names don't *really* work 100% on vms MAIL.i >$J > > a)    I created 2 distribution list (eventually there may be more than oneh > > person in each)u$ > >        CREATE SOMEDIR:MYSELF.DIS! > >        smtp%"syltrem@ISP.NET"e) > >        CREATE SOMEDIR:SOMEONEELSE.DISd% > >        smtp%"someoneelse@ISP.NET"3 >rG > To make distribution lists available to SMTP mail, they should be in:  > ##$ > TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON common-directoryL > Specifies the default cluster common directory. By default, SMTP looks forI > distribution list (.DIS) and local alias (TCPIP$SMTP_LOCAL_ALIASES.TXT)t) > files in the SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP].u > ## >i > I > > b)    I defined logical names for these mailing lists for ease of use-= > >        $ DEFINE/SYSTEM MAIL_SYLTREM "@SOMEDIR:MYSELF.DIS"kF > >        $ DEFINE/SYSTEM MAIL_SOMEONEELSE "@SOMEDIR:SOMEONEELSE.DIS" >n >mA > Must you have the ability to have more than one person in those  distribution	 > lists ?h > * > If not, there is a more reliable method: >r, > MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=PERSON_ON_CALL JDOE > then, the next day:e0 > MAIL SET FORWARD/USER=PERSON_ON_CALL JTREMBLAY > etcr >sG > This requires SYSPRV. Note that you can have "set forward" entries int > VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA that doH > not have a corresponding VMS account, as long as they point to a valid destination. >?I > this makes delivery to "PERSON_ON_CALL" work from decnet and SMTP mail.k >d >oI > >         I would like to send the message to a VMS account, like this:M4 > >         to: PERSONONCALL@vmsnodename.company.com >nK > Not sure of the syntax to access distribution lists, but it might have toK be > something like >qI >   "@dislist_name"@vmsnodename.company.com    (many mailers will require  fancyr@ > encoding and quoting). (with distlist_name.DIS being a file in > TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON directory. >s6 > >         $ mail sys$input PERSONONCALL /subj="test"8 > >         %MAIL-E-USERSPEC, invalid user specification '@SOMEDIR:MYSELF.DIS'U >"K > Distribution lists do not work in a set forward situation.  In a VMS mail"L > environment, both logical names and distribution lists are handled  by theK > "client" side of VMS mail, not the delivery side. (eg: while the email is 6 > being constructed, not while it is being delivered).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:33:27 +0100e4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>6 Subject: misc HW maintenance end of life dates, where?& Message-ID: <3DF8F297.4010300@Free.fr>  Q Where can I find the official HW maintenance end of life dates for the following Z equipments:e   uVAX-IIe uVAX 3100 model 10, 30, 80, 95 VAX 4000-200 VAXstation 4000 VLCo AlphaServer 1000-400   Thanks,    D. -- r4    -------------------------------------------------3 MORANDI Consultants - http://Didier.Morandi.Free.frn1    19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.f3 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax : +33 (0)5 6154 1928o3 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans.l3 ---------------------------------------------------w3 Anti-publicit : enlever ".nospam" pour me rpondrem   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:47:57 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>: Subject: Re: misc HW maintenance end of life dates, where?6 Message-ID: <atcoes$12kj4i$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  K Slow motion rings a bell. I have a microVAX 2000 built inthat same year. It9= still runs; diskless because the RD54 died earlier this year.bL As longs as it stays away from Windows, especially Motif it is not that bad.   Hans  ? "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> schreef in berichtu) news:3DF9679D.82699F28@vl.videotron.ca...a > Didier Morandi wrote::J > > Where can I find the official HW maintenance end of life dates for the	 followingo > > uVAX-IIs >uK > My teenage all mighty Microvax II is very much alive and kicking (in slowU > motion, of course!)nK > It was born in 1987. But I think the model was already a year old by thate time.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:39:26 -05006! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com><: Subject: RE: misc HW maintenance end of life dates, where?K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BB2@rlghncst964.usps.gov>n   Didier:i  ) I can't find a page with a chart, either.r =20a" One the FEs I deal with says that:  3 1.	The rule of thumb is for hardware maintenance=20h2 	End Of Service Life to be no less than 5 years=20 	after they quit selling it.  6 2.	You can't put something that is past maintenance=202 	EOSL on a maintenance agreement, but that if they2 	can find the parts for it, they'll fix it on a=20 	per-call basis.  + I have a couple of friends digging, though.n0 If they find anything I'll post it to the group.   WWWo  ; Where can I find the official HW maintenance end of life=20r# dates for the following equipments:-   uVAX-II- uVAX 3100 model 10, 30, 80, 95 VAX 4000-200 VAXstation 4000 VLCs AlphaServer 1000-400   Thanks,    D.  3 ---------------------------------------------------D3 MORANDI Consultants - http://Didier.Morandi.Free.frt1    19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France. 3 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax : +33 (0)5 6154 1928e3 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans.u3 --------------------------------------------------- 7 Anti-publicit=E9 : enlever ".nospam" pour me r=E9pondre   I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=     William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:56:01 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: my recent posts...e4 Message-ID: <lm9K9.167455$A9.1794666@news.chello.at>   In article <02121011452276.14260.25112683@alaxp2.bender.com>, "John C. Koska, x-3255, 1-800-209-8352" <itjck01@bender.com> writes:9 >Well, I guess I have to read and post from OpenVMS MAIL.,  2 Not really. Better use a real news client instead.G And if you want one which is similar to MAIL then use NEWSRDR freeware. G (You could also use TIN which requires real VT100/ANSI Features - while D NEWSRDR could run on a consol printer also - though nobody wants to)  F Else use one with a GUI like MOZILLA (or MXRN) or NETSCAPE (on OpenVMS only up to NETSCAPE V3.03)   -- n Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERb% Network and OpenVMS system specialista E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2002 14:50:16 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o4 Subject: Re: new version of OpenVMS password cracker3 Message-ID: <feq04UaKYS$t@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3DF8EC87.9010304@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes: R > and thanks to "Rseaux & Tlcom" who posted, about your announcement, the very I > first press article in France on VMS since the 31st of December 1998...D >   A    unuaf still chokes on my UAF file after the first few entries. 8    Maybe I'll rewrite it using documented APIs, someday.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:57:42 GMT 0 From: HARANGOZO CSABA   <spameater@spam.invalid>K Subject: Re: Newbie:Openvms 7.2-1 on Alpha - Telent not cleaning up socketsn5 Message-ID: <aihK9.861$P5.48149@nasal.pacific.net.au>C  2 Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote: [...snip...]  & 	Hmm... "at First DBA Souce, Inc "	:-)  ) 	You must have a saucy job, Michael...:-)e   						Cheers,   Csabaa  I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------2I    *   Csaba I. Harangozo       |   csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)au   *eI    ----------------------------------------------------------------------r;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:59:08 GMT ( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>$ Subject: openvms-managers list ready= Message-ID: <gU5K9.15682$Fq3.961747@twister.southeast.rr.com>   ! To sign up send a blank email to:   & openvms-managers-subscribe@openvms.org  " For list policies and information:  3 http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=OVMS-Managersh  % A searchable archive is available at:e  = http://mail.openvms.org:8100/Lists/openvms-managers/List.html      --   Kenneth Farmer- http://www.Tru64.org | http://www.OpenVMS.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:47:45 +1100a1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>-6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?, Message-ID: <3DF99EB1.3080104@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Dale Hammer wrote:   [snpis] L > Sun used to be a proponent of the TPC-C ratings but not any more.  Most of > theaL > respected analysts (Gartner, Meta, etc) say to be a credible vendor in the
 > enterprise, B > vendors need to post TPC-C ratings to allow customers to do some > comparisons.  B Owing to their history, etc., I did not think anyone here has any  respect for Gartner.   Regards, Paddy        G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedd> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisehB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.i  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid hA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses9> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:07:39 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?2 Message-ID: <qaOdnZQAfvxeuWSgXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message& news:3df8dfbc_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com...   ...o  
   IA64 on the L > other hand is feasible, and meets the requirements of the vast majority of > VMS customers.  K If you had asked this 'vast majority of VMS customers' 18 months ago (i.e.,-K just prior to the Alphacide) whether migrating from Alpha would 'meet theirdF requirements', what do you think they would have answered?  Of course,I that's discounting the possibility that many who might have demurred withs4 your assessment are no longer VMS customers today...   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:26:46 GMTd* From: "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com>6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?. Message-ID: <aP9K9.329804$NH2.22754@sccrnsc01>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>-9 wrote in message news:3DF8A5AD.8090002@nospamn.sun.com...e  6 > If you couple this with the fact that the throughput5 > of each OpenVMS node has always been 1/4 of that of5; > the largest Sun and you end up with a rather unimpressivee > story.  J And your point is? The major points of OVMS clustering are scalability andK fault tolerance. I'd rather have 4 OVMS cluster nodes than 1 Sun. If I loseTL a cpu, I still have 3/4 of my system available, with the Sun I'm dead in theK water. Unix "clustering" is a feeble also-ran compared to OVMS' clustering.=  > Unimpressive? Yea, if I were trying to sell Suns. But I'm not.  I Just what is your point here, Andrew? Do you really think you're going toiJ "convert" c.o.v readers like me to Sun? As they say here in the U.S., "fat chance."  K Keep up the FUD, Andrew. It's a constant source of amusement. We all need at good laugh now and then.   ML   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:59:26 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>. Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance6 Message-ID: <200212130759.IAA04241@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  E day ago I did report, that I did have a problem using the recommandetl values of Matt Muggeride.o >>>cG    1) Tune your application - increase buffer size to maximum For ttcp,=G       use "-l 65535 -b 1048576" (For peak performance with many connec- E       tions, you need to use QIO AST - socket select() does not scale B       well - though ttcp is a single connection so doesn't matter) <<< A If I did use this values and test the connection between a Gigbit C Ethernet and a Fast Ethernet port, the test utility hangs. It comesr8 never to an end. Does anybody know, what the problem is?   Best regards Rudolf Wingertk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:27:38 +1100*1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> ( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS, Message-ID: <3DF9A80A.3020304@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Roy Omond wrote:
 > Z wrote: >  >> Jim Agnew  wrote:I >> : You also want to use VMS time routines, and avoid the 2037 unix timerC >> : overflow...  that way, your app should live forever (almost)..6 >> >> No need.a >>" >> Compaq C V6.5-001-48BCD on VMS: >>2 >> t1: 00000000, ctime(): Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 19692 >> t2: 7FFFFFFF, ctime(): Mon Jan 18 22:14:07 20382 >> t3: 80000000, ctime(): Mon Jan 18 22:14:08 20382 >> t4: FFFFFFFF, ctime(): Sun Feb  7 01:28:15 2106 >  >  > B > Evidently there *is* a need!  Looks to me like the time overflow6 > has just been postponed by a "few" years until 2106. > ' > Tut, tut, such poor forward thinking! ! > Go to the back of the class :-)u >  > Roy Omonde > Blue Bubble Ltd.  D Yes, but this is a C run time library routine with Unix concepts of + time.  I.e., C and Unix are rather related.e  D This does not reflect what the VMS real run time libraries can cope ' with, since they evaluate in 64b space.c   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedp> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviseeB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid fA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the == individual sender except where the sender expressly and with rC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesM> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:31:13 +1100t1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>-( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS, Message-ID: <3DF9A8E1.5020708@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Roy Omond wrote:
 > Z wrote: >  >> Jim Agnew  wrote:I >> : You also want to use VMS time routines, and avoid the 2037 unix timemC >> : overflow...  that way, your app should live forever (almost)..  >> >> No need.n >>" >> Compaq C V6.5-001-48BCD on VMS: >>2 >> t1: 00000000, ctime(): Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 19692 >> t2: 7FFFFFFF, ctime(): Mon Jan 18 22:14:07 20382 >> t3: 80000000, ctime(): Mon Jan 18 22:14:08 20382 >> t4: FFFFFFFF, ctime(): Sun Feb  7 01:28:15 2106 >  >  > B > Evidently there *is* a need!  Looks to me like the time overflow6 > has just been postponed by a "few" years until 2106. > ' > Tut, tut, such poor forward thinking!u! > Go to the back of the class :-)n >  > Roy OmondL > Blue Bubble Ltd.    A So, are you planning to be around to oversee the fixes, Roy ? :-)t  F Much as we all sat with bated breath for the world to end/collapse on  01-jan-2000 :-)))u   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************s  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedi> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise%B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.2  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the a= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with hC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses:> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************,   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:36:46 +1100n1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> ( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS, Message-ID: <3DF9AA2E.3040904@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Chris Clifford wrote:f/ > "Z" <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in message0+ > news:uvg1td1kdmlmea@corp.supernews.com...  > 6 >>Chris Clifford <chris.clifford@openvms.co.uk> wrote:I >>: The most important thing is to VMSize it to gain maximum benefit. Ford >>: example: >>H >>: - Ensure that the application is distributed between cluster members >  > with > J >>: the ability to quickly fail over should a cluster member fail, perhaps >  > by > K >>: running multiple instances of a process and utilising the lock manager.r >>I >>: - Consider using ICC for communication between application processes.", >>: Maximum performance and highly reliable. >>A >>I could not agree LESS.  You NEVER want to tie to an o/s unlessUB >>you HAVE TO.  VMSize the app and you make moving it off VMS even	 >>harder.  >  > J > Sorry, I don't agree. If you're going to move the app onto VMS, make theL > most of the features that make VMS superior to other platforms. Obviously,N > it depends on what the app does but in many cases it makes absolute sense to= > aim for high application availability and high performance.t > L > You can make things easier if you think there's a possibility that the appL > will be moved off VMS at a later date. Don't embed system services and VMSN > RTL calls within your main functions, instead separate the platform-specificK > stuff in their own functions so that if you port to another O/S, you justtI > need to rewrite those smaller functions. Standard programming practice.a >   > I can cheerfully rationalise my agreement with both of you :-)  F I agree with "Z" if the program is originally written on VMS.  We are B currently looking at a formidable task of re-writing sheer number  crunching programs.0  C However, I can agree with you in this instance, Chris, because the sE original non-VMS source is (and hopefully will be for any reversion) g0 available.  Thus, become as VMSy as appropriate.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedo> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviseiB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.e  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid bA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the a= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with cC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses0> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************4   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:17:55 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS( Message-ID: <3DF9A5C3.EBFBB25@127.0.0.1>   Jason O'Donnell wrote: > ? > Sorry Nic, I think you didn't get your coffee before writing.i >   % Ever gone in for being a psychic? :-)   B Anyway, trust you found the GNV stuff on the CD supplied with your 7.3-1, Open Source Tools disc.   -- (? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesy nclews at csc dot comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:45:19 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>d( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS/ Message-ID: <uvjehs1h82jk76@corp.supernews.com>v   Paddy O'Brien wrote:   >t >n > Roy Omond wrote: >- > > Z wrote: > >- > >> Jim Agnew  wrote:K > >> : You also want to use VMS time routines, and avoid the 2037 unix time E > >> : overflow...  that way, your app should live forever (almost)..e > >>
 > >> No need.i > >>$ > >> Compaq C V6.5-001-48BCD on VMS: > >>4 > >> t1: 00000000, ctime(): Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 19694 > >> t2: 7FFFFFFF, ctime(): Mon Jan 18 22:14:07 20384 > >> t3: 80000000, ctime(): Mon Jan 18 22:14:08 20384 > >> t4: FFFFFFFF, ctime(): Sun Feb  7 01:28:15 2106 > >  > >p > >  > > D > > Evidently there *is* a need!  Looks to me like the time overflow8 > > has just been postponed by a "few" years until 2106. > >f) > > Tut, tut, such poor forward thinking!h# > > Go to the back of the class :-), > >a
 > > Roy Omondc > > Blue Bubble Ltd. >a >u > C > So, are you planning to be around to oversee the fixes, Roy ? :-)      Damned right I do.  7 I am to live *forever* (or at least I'll die trying :-)   	 Roy Omond0 Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:57:24 GMTt" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <00A18577.3E35A77F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <9059bf6b.0212121137.13f35a46@posting.google.com>, jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) writes: Y >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A18488.AB9BF4CB@SendSpamHere.ORG>...mt >> In article <u63RFxSTWOrb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> >{...snip...}F >> >   2)  Watch out for select().  Without COE select() only supportsK >> >      sockets.  There are other ways of accomplishing the same thing ins >> >      VMS. >> cI >> Directly trying to port the select() to VMS is stupid.  VMS can handle 7 >> the uses for select() in a much more elegant manner.u >> wI >> Remove the unixisms when doing your port and you'll be much better offi" >> when you've completed the port. > D >While I completely agree with your statements, I think there is one? >fact you miss.  In business, time and money shift reality.  My   ; Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world... X    B >expectation going in is that we will do a first level port to getD >everything running, then re-architect to fit OpenVMS where it makes >the most sense at our leisure.   C ... and, in some cases, you'll save time and money by ripping out asB unixism and supplanting with a VMSism.  The real "reality" is thatC you'll likely do a "first level port to get everything running" andl@ never comes the day when you then "re-architect to fit OpenVMS".B And, borrowing from another thread, your users will dis VMS as the root of the problem.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" $   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2002 14:11:57 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <plyp1oUZHMJA@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  K In article <3DF89A01.7D471FAF@vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> writes:tF > Right... why settle for that when you can have whatever vms end date > is??? i forget, 38,000 A.D.??e >   ?    The formatting routines give out at the end of 9999, but VMS 5    engineering promises to deliver a fix before then.t  B    Other than the formatting routines, I think you up to something    like 32767.      e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:50:21 -0500,! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>e( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS' Message-ID: <3DF9E59D.6A381030@vcu.edu>s   Roy Omond wrote: >  > Paddy O'Brien wrote: >  > >- > >- > > Roy Omond wrote: > >  > > > Z wrote: > > >1 > > >> Jim Agnew  wrote:M > > >> : You also want to use VMS time routines, and avoid the 2037 unix timeDG > > >> : overflow...  that way, your app should live forever (almost)..A > > >> > > >> No need.H > > >>& > > >> Compaq C V6.5-001-48BCD on VMS: > > >>6 > > >> t1: 00000000, ctime(): Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 19696 > > >> t2: 7FFFFFFF, ctime(): Mon Jan 18 22:14:07 20386 > > >> t3: 80000000, ctime(): Mon Jan 18 22:14:08 20386 > > >> t4: FFFFFFFF, ctime(): Sun Feb  7 01:28:15 2106 > > >n > > >e > > >  > > >eF > > > Evidently there *is* a need!  Looks to me like the time overflow: > > > has just been postponed by a "few" years until 2106. > > >m+ > > > Tut, tut, such poor forward thinking!L% > > > Go to the back of the class :-)4 > > >A > > > Roy Omond7 > > > Blue Bubble Ltd. > >  > >s > > E > > So, are you planning to be around to oversee the fixes, Roy ? :-)  >  > Damned right I do. > 9 > I am to live *forever* (or at least I'll die trying :-)t >  > Roy Omondr > Blue Bubble Ltd.   That went into my sig file...    jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:59:35 +0000e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>o( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS8 Message-ID: <irpjvu8lobmrufk0memsc17n680fupp5qc@4ax.com>  - On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:45:19 +0000, Roy Omondi$ <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote:     >t >Damned right I do.t >e8 >I am to live *forever* (or at least I'll die trying :-)  D The first ten million years they were the worst. It;'s that terrible, pain in all the diodes down my left side :-)   >i
 >Roy Omond >Blue Bubble Ltd.d   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:05:20 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>H Subject: Re: Presentations of "HP Wonderland Event" (Switzerland) online& Message-ID: <3DF8EC00.3080008@Free.fr>  # because we have Unger to get it :-)R   D.   Michael Unger a crit:I > PS: I really dont't know why it's up to me to post this information ...t    * PS: Unger is the German word for "hungry".   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:36:04 +0100o4 From: Roland Barmettler <roli@barmettler.nospam.net>H Subject: Re: Presentations of "HP Wonderland Event" (Switzerland) online@ Message-ID: <20021212213604.6520e871.roli@barmettler.nospam.net>   Hi   Didier Morandi wrote:W  % > because we have Unger to get it :-)v >  > Michael Unger a crit:K > > PS: I really dont't know why it's up to me to post this information ...  > , > PS: Unger is the German word for "hungry".   Not quite. It's "hunger" ;-)              ^   Cheers, Roland   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:47:01 -0500n From: norm.raphael@metso.comA Subject: Question on BACKUP/RECORD to reduce size of incrementalsu? Message-ID: <OF200CCF75.5B2A6837-ON85256C8E.0049DF39@metso.com>   , I have an 18GB user disk that was created by  copying 4 smaller disks onto it.   It has the following structure:    Directory DSA101:[000000]r   USER1.DIR;1  USER2.DIR;2  USER3.DIR;3r USER4.DIR;4t  + There "disks" are referred to logically as:    DISK_USER1 = "DSA101:[USER1.]" DISK_USER3 = "DSA101:[USER2.]" DISK_USER3 = "DSA101:[USER3.]" DISK_USER4 = "DSA101:[USER4.]"  + They are backed up weekly using (I believe)n$ BACKUP/RECORD DISK_USER1:[*...]*.*;*  > This does not write a backup date on the root directory files,, specifically 000000.DIR;1, USER1.DIR;1, etc.  B Thus, when incrementals are attempted, the entire "user" disk gets	 selected.   I What I am looking for is the BACKUP/RECORD ??? NLA0:[000000]NULL.BCK/SAVE6I command to update the backup-date just before doing the weeklies, so thati
        the; daily incrementals will be incremental from the inner root..   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:52:52 +0100e9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> E Subject: Re: Question on BACKUP/RECORD to reduce size of incrementals ' Message-ID: <3DF9E634.3F6935BC@aaa.com>o   Why not just backup with    BACKUP/RECORD DSA101:[*...]*.*;*   ??   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:E > . > I have an 18GB user disk that was created by" > copying 4 smaller disks onto it. > - > They are backed up weekly using (I believe)I& > BACKUP/RECORD DISK_USER1:[*...]*.*;* >"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:06:25 -0500s From: norm.raphael@metso.comE Subject: Re: Question on BACKUP/RECORD to reduce size of incrementals-? Message-ID: <OF07C31943.C38FD2C6-ON85256C8E.004D166B@metso.com>m   Jan-Erik  @ Well,  primarily because some of the directories on the disk areE copied separately and do not need to be in a "full" or "incremental."OE I have simplified the problem statement, so the details will not makeiD complete sense.  Also, there is an issue around time-to-complete andC another around amount-of-tape/number-of-tapes until we get our tapeu4 libraries installed to handle the 18GB disk upgrade.  H So my short answer is:  If I could "just backup with...."  I would not = have asked the question.  ;-)  4 I would still like a reponse if you have a solution.   -Normy  @ From:  Jan-Erik S=F6derholm <aaa@aaa.com> on 12/13/2002 08:52 AM  4 Please respond to Jan-Erik S=F6derholm <aaa@aaa.com>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:t  H Subject:    Re: Question on BACKUP/RECORD to reduce size of incremental= st     Why not just backup with    BACKUP/RECORD DSA101:[*...]*.*;*   ??   Jan-Erik S=F6derholm.    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:: > . > I have an 18GB user disk that was created by" > copying 4 smaller disks onto it. >p- > They are backed up weekly using (I believe)n& > BACKUP/RECORD DISK_USER1:[*...]*.*;* >u         =g   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 15:39:23 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)<E Subject: Re: Question on BACKUP/RECORD to reduce size of incrementalsh+ Message-ID: <QRd1e5GecHug@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>o  ^ In article <OF200CCF75.5B2A6837-ON85256C8E.0049DF39@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: >  > . > I have an 18GB user disk that was created by" > copying 4 smaller disks onto it. > ! > It has the following structure:J >  > Directory DSA101:[000000]- > 
 > USER1.DIR;11
 > USER2.DIR;26
 > USER3.DIR;3m
 > USER4.DIR;4l > - > There "disks" are referred to logically as:o >   > DISK_USER1 = "DSA101:[USER1.]"  > DISK_USER3 = "DSA101:[USER2.]"  > DISK_USER3 = "DSA101:[USER3.]"  > DISK_USER4 = "DSA101:[USER4.]" > - > They are backed up weekly using (I believe) & > BACKUP/RECORD DISK_USER1:[*...]*.*;* > @ > This does not write a backup date on the root directory files,. > specifically 000000.DIR;1, USER1.DIR;1, etc. > D > Thus, when incrementals are attempted, the entire "user" disk gets > selected.  > K > What I am looking for is the BACKUP/RECORD ??? NLA0:[000000]NULL.BCK/SAVEdK > command to update the backup-date just before doing the weeklies, so that  >        the= > daily incrementals will be incremental from the inner root.h >   >  BACKUP/RECORD DSA101:[000000]*.DIR NLA0:[000000]NULL.BCK/SAVE#                               |||||n is probably what You want  .J (But as always : then it is NOT an incremental backup in the strong sense.8  It works also for me to reduce the incremental amount.)  L And by the way: to save backup space , consider the /NOALIAS switch as well.  r --  N Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:46:57 +0100o) From: "Steven Thompson" <steven@omga.biz> ' Subject: Re: SMTP just stopped working?eB Message-ID: <atd9v3$c2u$1@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>   Hi JF   @ I did that test, yes, and the SMTP server takes AGES to reply...A Thus most of the servers sending me mail got bored and went away!T   It would appear that the lines" Accept-Unqualified-Senders:  FALSE is the culprit.   G Accept-Unqualified-Senders:  FALSE according to the book is the defaultn action.y0 So the theory is that specifying it does no harm Did I find a bug?i   It is now commented out!!!!!I I also deleted the mail queues and let the startup process recreate them.e  G (I can't remember enabling this line, either. Maybe it was the abortiveDG Windoze telnet session (vt100 emulation) that I had to do quickly whileT recently overseas)   RegardsO Steven      C "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> escribi en el mensaje ) news:3DF7D711.C82EA402@vl.videotron.ca...n > Steven Thompson wrote:* > > %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 10.1.1.134 > > %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host www, port 25, > > -TELNET-I-ESCAPE, Escape character is ^]	 > > .....r >i* > The "...." is the important part here... >"* > Have you tried typing in a dummy email ? >  > after the welcome message: >u > HELO <mydomain.com>n# > MAIL FROM:<yourfrom@mydomain.com>s! > RCPT TO:<yourdest@mydomain.com>  > DATA( > From: John Doe <yourfrom@mydomain.com>& > To: Jane Doe <yourdest@mydomain.com> > Subject: Test messageM >  > Line 1 > line 2 > line 3 > last linea > .m >n > QUIT >eK > After each of the commands, you should get a OK response from the server.e The H > DATA command ends when you do the "." alone on line.  That is when the SMTPA > server will respond with some confirmation that it has acceptedg responsability > for the message.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:26:56 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today.2 Message-ID: <lvKdnVqqOofUtGSgXTWcog@metrocast.net>  6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:KMJicFh2K+t4@elias.decus.ch...s> > Totally off topic here. But it is for the record in case the > police arrive.  E I suppose that might be of some use, and in any case it's good to get ) something like this off your chest a bit.r  J But it does disturb me a bit to see this idiot's behavior characterized asH 'terrorism'.  Even though the Bush Administration may attempt to pin theH label 'terrorist' on anyone it doesn't like, terrorism, whatever one mayK think of it, has as its aim some change in society or government - and even0J when directed at specific individuals is done so because of their symbolicL association with some aspect of society or government.  This guy's antics do not fit that definition at all.m   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:35:23 GMT * From: "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com>4 Subject: Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today.- Message-ID: <fX9K9.129725$pN3.9033@sccrnsc03>"  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message-, news:lvKdnVqqOofUtGSgXTWcog@metrocast.net... >m8 > "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message% > news:KMJicFh2K+t4@elias.decus.ch...g@ > > Totally off topic here. But it is for the record in case the > > police arrive. >cG > I suppose that might be of some use, and in any case it's good to getR+ > something like this off your chest a bit.s >sL > But it does disturb me a bit to see this idiot's behavior characterized asJ > 'terrorism'.  Even though the Bush Administration may attempt to pin theJ > label 'terrorist' on anyone it doesn't like, terrorism, whatever one mayH > think of it, has as its aim some change in society or government - and evenL > when directed at specific individuals is done so because of their symbolicK > association with some aspect of society or government.  This guy's anticsa do! > not fit that definition at all.-  @ By definition, a "terrorist" is anyone that causes another to beK "terrorized." Only recently has the term been used to describe a particulari3 set of people who use terror to achieve some goals.B  H To say that you have been "terrorized" by some nutcase on the roadway isJ entitrly accurate, but it doesn't mean that the nutcase was a member of Al Qaeda.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:57:20 -0500a* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today.2 Message-ID: <fPmdnfpcGof0rWSgXTWcpQ@metrocast.net>  5 "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com> wrote in messagep' news:fX9K9.129725$pN3.9033@sccrnsc03...n   ...i  B > By definition, a "terrorist" is anyone that causes another to beB > "terrorized." Only recently has the term been used to describe a
 particular5 > set of people who use terror to achieve some goals.   G Actually, had you bothered to look up the definition rather than simplynG presented your own interpretation of it, you would have found that bothDH 'terrorist' and 'terrorism' carry some additional baggage (specifically,F that of *systematic* activity and/or that of *influencing* rather thanJ simply scaring) that 'terrorize' does not.  Had Paul not included the term@ 'terrorist' in his commentary but confined himself to the use of< 'terrorized' in the subject line, I wouldn't have commented.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:13:55 -0800p* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>4 Subject: Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today.2 Message-ID: <iKKcnRRcxLzemmegXTWc2Q@mpowercom.net>  6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:6DZzTj9zrods@elias.decus.ch... E > In article <atas50$12pab8$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems"n <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:cC > Spot on. I have seen aggressive driving in various countries, but 
 absolutelyI > nothing to match this. I feel sorry for his next victim, who may not be  > able to cope.  >LI A workable solution for this problem was developed on an ad hoc basis fornH the Los Angeles freeway system.  It consists of randomly arming drivers.K When the other guy has a .45 in the glove compartment it tends to encourageaK an even temper.  Think of it as a sort of Mutual Assured Destruction at thee personal level.)    Jack PeacockO   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:05:29 -0500w5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>t* Subject: Specials from one of our partners* Message-ID: <ataq6h$dc5$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  J I hope that Networking Dynamics does not mind but I took all the very nice0 formatting out and changed it all to plain text.  
 Warm Regards,r   sue    -----Original Message-----  : From: Victor Burton [mailto:victor@networkingdynamics.com]  * Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:45 PM   To: Skonetski, Susan  & Subject: Year End Specials for OpenVMS      I Save up to 60% Off List Prices on System Enhancement Software for OpenVMSn    I Take advantage of our year-end savings program! You can save up to 60% on G our line of OpenVMS system enhancement software products. Save time andiE money while increasing productivity! Offer ends December 31st 2002 so F download our free trial versions NOW and see how YOU can save time and money!      E MultiSessions - Do Many Things at Once. Run up to 10 sessions on eachn	 terminal!D    H PEEK & SPY - Solve User Problems Easily. See exactly what is on a user's screen!c    E CompuFax - Save Time Sending Faxes. Reliable and robust. Easy to use!m    I PagerPlus - Keeps You Informed. Automatically handles system difficulties- and informs you!    G ASSASSIN - Frees Up System Resources. Kills idle memory hogs! Increases  system efficiency!    K DISKXCEL - Boosts System Performance. Supercharges your system with Dynamic- Memory Caching!         Download Free Trial Versions at:   www.networkingdynamics.com   or call 1-800-ASK-NDC1   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:00:31 -0800 (PST)u. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>. Subject: Re: Specials from one of our partners@ Message-ID: <20021213160031.82145.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>  K There are a few companies which are running OpenVMS and other few companiesg% which are selling OpenVMS products.  r  I Why not ~consolidate~ these soft companies ???  And sell in a one companysO brand name - nothing against Networking Dynamics, Process, Raxco, etc... but if.  B a company has only OVMS products, it should sell it under a strong= brandname like OpenVMS.org ! Or OpenVMS Products Inc. etc  ! oE Do you copy the idea ? How many OVMS companies have one /two products-	 to sell ?B   This is my own opinion ! a   Regardsr   FC    8 --- Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote:L > I hope that Networking Dynamics does not mind but I took all the very nice2 > formatting out and changed it all to plain text. >  > Warm Regards,t >  > suen >  > -----Original Message----- > < > From: Victor Burton [mailto:victor@networkingdynamics.com] > , > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:45 PM >  > To: Skonetski, Susan > ( > Subject: Year End Specials for OpenVMS >  >  > K > Save up to 60% Off List Prices on System Enhancement Software for OpenVMS  >  > K > Take advantage of our year-end savings program! You can save up to 60% oneI > our line of OpenVMS system enhancement software products. Save time and G > money while increasing productivity! Offer ends December 31st 2002 soiH > download our free trial versions NOW and see how YOU can save time and > money! >  >  > G > MultiSessions - Do Many Things at Once. Run up to 10 sessions on eacht > terminal!w >  > J > PEEK & SPY - Solve User Problems Easily. See exactly what is on a user's	 > screen!l >  > G > CompuFax - Save Time Sending Faxes. Reliable and robust. Easy to use!9 >  > K > PagerPlus - Keeps You Informed. Automatically handles system difficultiest > and informs you! >  > I > ASSASSIN - Frees Up System Resources. Kills idle memory hogs! Increasesc > system efficiency! >  > M > DISKXCEL - Boosts System Performance. Supercharges your system with Dynamic- > Memory Caching!, >  >  > " > Download Free Trial Versions at: >  > www.networkingdynamics.com >  > or call 1-800-ASK-NDC1 >  >  >  >      =====D ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazils fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?5 Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.d http://mailplus.yahoo.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:07:36 -0500r0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: sys$wake returns after long delay/ Message-ID: <3DF8FA94.40B29A65@vl.videotron.ca>y   J McQueen wrote:D > I did this and process 2 always shows HIB even though it wakes up,F > does its work so quickly, and then back to HIB state so that I never > see anything other than HIB.  K What about the process that does the $WAKE ? What state does it go in whileu  $WAKE takes forever to execute ?  M I am not entirely sure how $WAKE operates when waking up another process, butnM I suspect it *might* trigger an AST in that process's context, and if the AST K are either disabled, or if there is an AST currently executing that takes ae0 long time, then it would explain that behaviour.  I Does the hibernating process do a lot of work in AST mode,. possibly someTN "blocking" work that might result in a lengty weait inside an AST for a QIO to
 complete ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:41:21 -0600t7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>c. Subject: Re: sys$wake returns after long delayG Message-ID: <craigberry-C5D675.18412112122002@news.directvinternet.com>'  = In article <6083b3a3.0212111134.44fa8cc7@posting.google.com>,n(  john.mcqueen@gnf.com (J McQueen) wrote:  D > I have two Alpha programs in the same group, one queuing msgs whenG > they come in and then waking up a second sys$hiber program to processoF > the msgs.  I have put time stamps on either side of the sys$wake andG > sys$hiber calls and see that the sys$wake process is called while thenD > second process is hibernating but it takes several minutes for theF > hibernating process to be awakened.  When it awakes, I get identicalH > timestamps from both programs which indicates that the calling program2 > waits that long for the sys$wake call to return.  = If they are threaded applications see the known problem here:   I <http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/tech/tech_TechDocumentDetailPage_IDX/1,17T 01,4202,00.html>   (may need to unwrap that)-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:30:48 -0000t< From: "Mark Itzcovitz" <mark.itzcovitz@nospam.vistacomp.com>. Subject: Using the $AUDIT_EVENT System Service< Message-ID: <3dfa194a$0$237$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net>  H Can anyone help me with working out why I get an INSFARG error using theL sys$audit_event System Service from C. The error means "A required item codeJ or parameter is missing" but I can't see what additional item code I wouldD need (anyway I've tried them all!) and I don't see how it could be a. parameter missing. The relevant code is below:  = #define init_ile32(ile, length, code, bufaddr, retlen_addr) \t {               \l%  (ile)->ile3$w_code = (code);       \e(  (ile)->ile3$w_length = (length);      \+  (ile)->ile3$ps_bufaddr = (bufaddr);      \11  (ile)->ile3$ps_retlen_addr = (retlen_addr);    \2 }4   void ast_proc()0 {0  printf("In ast_proc\n");4 }    void vis_audit_event() {)  int retval;  unsigned int audit_status;v  ILE3 item_list[6];n%  char security_string[] = "SECURITY";w&  int type_logfail = NSA$C_MSG_LOGFAIL;%  int subtype_network = NSA$C_NETWORK;p  int message_id = 9500; #  void (*ast_proc_adr)() = ast_proc;   D  init_ile32(&item_list[0], NSA$_ALARM_NAME, strlen(security_string), security_string, 0);D  init_ile32(&item_list[1], NSA$_AUDIT_NAME, strlen(security_string), security_string, 0);A  init_ile32(&item_list[2], NSA$_EVENT_TYPE, sizeof(type_logfail),6 &type_logfail, 0);G  init_ile32(&item_list[3], NSA$_EVENT_SUBTYPE, sizeof(subtype_network),* &subtype_network, 0); I  init_ile32(&item_list[4], NSA$_MESSAGE, sizeof(message_id), &message_id,n 0);i'  init_ile32(&item_list[5], 0, 0, 0, 0);hH  retval = sys$audit_eventw(0, NSA$M_MANDATORY, item_list, &audit_status, ast_proc_adr, 0);lB  printf("retval = %d, audit_status = %d\n", retval, audit_status); }r   Thanks,d   Mark Itzcovitz   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:52:14 GMT 2 From: Gib Copeland <copeland@jenni.path.uiowa.edu>2 Subject: Re: Using the $AUDIT_EVENT System Service? Message-ID: <i7pK9.344331$%m4.113512@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>e   Mark Itzcovitz wrote:hJ > Can anyone help me with working out why I get an INSFARG error using theN > sys$audit_event System Service from C. The error means "A required item codeL > or parameter is missing" but I can't see what additional item code I wouldF > need (anyway I've tried them all!) and I don't see how it could be a0 > parameter missing. The relevant code is below: > ? > #define init_ile32(ile, length, code, bufaddr, retlen_addr) \m > {               \y' >  (ile)->ile3$w_code = (code);       \r* >  (ile)->ile3$w_length = (length);      \- >  (ile)->ile3$ps_bufaddr = (bufaddr);      \ 3 >  (ile)->ile3$ps_retlen_addr = (retlen_addr);    \a > }  .  .  .e	 > Thanks,a >  > Mark Itzcovitz >  >   	 Try this:.  ; #define init_ile32(ile, code, length, bufaddr, retlen_addr)N   Gibn   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 11:16:01 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i2 Subject: Re: Using the $AUDIT_EVENT System Service3 Message-ID: <ohKEFq3YGOhl@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  t In article <i7pK9.344331$%m4.113512@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, Gib Copeland <copeland@jenni.path.uiowa.edu> writes: > Mark Itzcovitz wrote:"  @ >> #define init_ile32(ile, length, code, bufaddr, retlen_addr) \ >> {               \( >>  (ile)->ile3$w_code = (code);       \+ >>  (ile)->ile3$w_length = (length);      \ . >>  (ile)->ile3$ps_bufaddr = (bufaddr);      \4 >>  (ile)->ile3$ps_retlen_addr = (retlen_addr);    \ >> }  G  init_ile32(&item_list[0], NSA$_ALARM_NAME, strlen(security_string),   * security_string, 0);   *   > Try this:  > = > #define init_ile32(ile, code, length, bufaddr, retlen_addr)e  A If that solves the problem, then consider switching to a languaged@ that supports keyword parameters, either directly or via macros.5 Examples that come to mind are Bliss, Pascal and Ada.t   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 08:30:14 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e Subject: VAX SCAN PAK 3 Message-ID: <EhDjN12DYwxP@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  D I have a VAX SCAN PAK from the days when it was a supported product.  E But I have a friend who is looking for the VAX SCAN PAK that was made C freely available after VAX SCAN was decommissioned.  I suggested it C must be on the Freeware discs, but my friend said there was no filei0 with PAK in the name in the VAXSCAN directories.  C Can anybody tell me how to find the freely available VAX SCAN PAK ?a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:09:07 -0500*& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> Subject: Re: VAX SCAN PAK68 Message-ID: <5f8kvu0e1h9sf09rde2ji6scilsq4gb675@4ax.com>  M On 13 Dec 2002 08:30:14 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:n  F >But I have a friend who is looking for the VAX SCAN PAK that was madeD >freely available after VAX SCAN was decommissioned.  I suggested itD >must be on the Freeware discs, but my friend said there was no file1 >with PAK in the name in the VAXSCAN directories.o > D >Can anybody tell me how to find the freely available VAX SCAN PAK ?  B VAXSCAN is on the Freeware V4.0 CD on disk 2, according to info at  ; 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/vaxscan/u  P I don't have that CD mounted anywhere (nor can I easily mount it without drivingP to another site), and I don't spot an obvious file to contain the PAK, but it is* presumably "inside" one of the .ZIP files.I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comoI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)oI -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2002 14:22:58 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o Subject: Re: VMS & TCP/IPe3 Message-ID: <vzoTmtM1LmN4@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  d In article <3df82b42.202681750@news.pa.comcast.giganews.com>, the41car@comcast.net (VMSuser) writes:B > First of all, I am NOT an expert with VMS, so if I sound stupid, > please be tolerant.o > E > I'm running VMS 7.2 and DIGITAL TCP/IP Services 5.0 on a VAXstationmA > 4000 VLC, and it works perfectly.  However, I have a lot of oldfC > FORTRAN programs that were written under VMS 5.5 and many of them"B > won't run under 7.2, and I don't have all of the source files toF > modify the code.  I can still boot to 5.5 so I can run the EXEs, butC > to my knowledge there aren't any versions of TCP/IP that will rune6 > under 5.5.  I need TCP/IP for remote logins and FTP. >  > Any ideas on what I can do?   D    There certainly are TCP/IP packages for VMS 5.5.  IIRC the latestF    versions of Multinet will still operate under VMS 5.5, and I know I    was using UCX under VMS 5.5.m  G    As far as Fortran from 5.5 not running under 7.2, yes it is possiblerE    to miscode applications to the extent that OS versions break them.r:    I'm afreaid the only fix for those requires the source.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:41:09 -0800d$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>: Subject: RE: VMS Marketing sighting (well, Alpha, anyway.)0 Message-ID: <01C2A294.4EB61310@sulfer.icius.com>   Holy Crap!!!!!  D Please let it be the beginning of a trend, please please please.....   Shanes   -----Original Message-----( From: VAXVMS [mailto:bounce@notmail.com]) Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:45 PMf To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi6 Subject: VMS Marketing sighting (well, Alpha, anyway.)      = There's a "promotions" link on the VMS 25th Anniversary site:t  = http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/promotions/compete_tradein.html*   Alpha products and solutions   promotions    B Sun, IBM and SGI owners: trade up to an Alpha system and save big!A =================================================================OA Sun, IBM, and SGI owners, here is a deal too good to pass up. Now B you can trade up to a more powerful Alpha system from hp and cash B in on great savings! The Alpha system family is now more powerful C than ever, from the new AlphaServer DS25 system to the AlphaServer   GS320 system.   B Whether you have a workgroup system or enterprise server, we have @ a great deal for you. Save up to $40,000 on larger systems! And C soon you will be able to trade up to a next generation AlphaServer B system  ? To qualify, returned systems must be in good working order and uA include the CPU modules in the rack or cabinet, base memory, CPU n= options and the valid, redesignateable operating system base r license.     For more information ====================A For complete details on this offer, including systems eligibilityo   Contact us online < Contact your hp sales representative or authorized reseller   o   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:59:48 +1100n1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>v1 Subject: Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSSs, Message-ID: <3DF9A184.5080704@tg.nsw.gov.au>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > D >>It is in the interest of web "designers" to make things as complexD >>as possible to justify the need for web "designers".  This has not8 >>a whole lot to do with actually conveying information. >  > M > Are these overly complex web pages the result of weenies wanting to impressaK > their bosses with all sorts of fancy features that work well on their 25"cN > monitor and 2ghz windows with a particular version, or could it be that someL > "graphic artist" is just using some automated web design software that hasP > pre-packaged routines to do those fancy tricks instead of using simple HTML to > achieve the same ?    G I would have expected you to throw in a word like Micro***t at the end e of your last sentence :-)m   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************i  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegeda> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.c  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the m= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with aC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesn> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:50:10 GMTh" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG1 Subject: Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSSt0 Message-ID: <00A18576.3B6B4815@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <uvhnpa3cjp5445@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:n2 >"Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message% >news:00A18595.0BE790F5.3@decus.de...2% >> <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:r >>
 >> > [...] >> >I >> > >Basically you fill out the same form you've always filled out.  Thep >hardestJ >> > >part is finding the PDF of the form on the DSPP web site.  I've sent >you the: >> > >PDF via e-mail (if anyone else needs it, just yell). >> >3 >> > John sent me the .PDF order form! Many thanks.0 >> > >> > He also sent me a URL:o >> > >> >I >> http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/tech/tech_TechDocumentDetailPage_IDX/1,b >> 1701,4414,00.html >> > >> >L >> > This is the page that I previously found but I do not see a link to the >PDF >> > order form. >>& >> Found at the very top of that page: >> >> (start of quote)n >>( >> Developer and Solution Partner PortalF >> The DSPP requires JavaScript for correct operation. You have eitherI >> disabled JavaScript or have a browser that doesn't support JavaScript. G >> DSPP recommends use of IE 5.0 or above or Netscape 4.76 or above fors >> best results. >> >> (end of quote)n >>1 >> I didn't see any reference to a PDF file, too.l >> >f> >With JavaScript enabled the PDF is at the bottom of the page. >  >6   No it's not.  H Netscape 3.03B on OpenVMS Alpha doesn't show it with JavaScript enabled.  G Netscape 4.51 on NT 4.0SP6a doesn't    show it with JavaScript enabled.eF Mickey$loth Internet Exploiter V5.00.2314.100CO on NT 4.0SP6a doesn't #    show it with JavaScript enabled.     H I believe the last item is one of the "recommended" browsers in the mes-+ sage displayed when JavaScript is disabled.a   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa            s5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" .   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:22:02 GMTf" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG1 Subject: Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSS'0 Message-ID: <00A18600.C9F13BBF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <uvidj134h6v298@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes: 
 >{...snip...}2 >:D >Why do they have to make a simple web page so freakin' complicated? >g  J I've asked myself that same question since ASAP was absorbed into the CSA.I The CSA site was completely hostile and unusable.  I'm not ready, yet, toK/ design any different opinion of the DSPP site. I --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:50:56 +0000-+ From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> O Subject: Re: Why does BACKUP/IMAGE need write access to INDEXF.SYS, BITMAP.SYS?c8 Message-ID: <ic4ivu4f4uji2ih0tkmgqrcpco6ilvitm0@4ax.com>  G On 12 Dec 2002 14:09:23 -0800, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)o wrote:  . >In the documentation for BACKUP/IMAGE it says >d >{G >To use the /IMAGE qualifier, you need write access to the volume indextB >file (INDEXF.SYS) and the bit map file (BITMAP.SYS), or the input< >medium must be write-locked. BACKUP opens the index file toC >synchronize with the file system (no update is made). Finally, your8 >must have read access to all files on the input medium. >} >0> >Just what does it mean to "synchronize with the file system"?  L That "the file system" (XQP/RMS etc) is not set up for shared writing ?  I'dG guess, without checking, that it has a null lock on INDEXF.SYS which it H converts up when it needs to write.  If so, and BACKUP/IMAGE takes out aL write lock for as long as it needs to build its image of the disk structure,I then file system updates will be blocked and only disk writes to existing:C allocated data blocks will be allowed.  In other words, no files orD@ directories should appear or disappear.  Which is what you want.     	John    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.688 ************************