1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 14 Dec 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 689       Contents:" Re: Andrew repats his same old FUD" Re: BIND Resolver cache flush time) Re: DEC C and DEC CXX licenses (on a VAX) & Determining a process' sub-process(es)1 Re: History,design and implementation of VMS info  Re: http_server crashes  Re: Login lexical?- Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular? - Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular? - Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS + Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today. + Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today. + Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today. + Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today. + Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today.  Sun bashing time) Re: Using the $AUDIT_EVENT System Service 2 Re: Using the $AUDIT_EVENT System Service (from C)2 Re: Using the $AUDIT_EVENT System Service (from C) Re: VAX 7810's. ( Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSS( Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSS  Re: Webserver advice for VAX/VMSP [OT] uVAX-II souvenir (was: misc HW maintenance end of life dates, where? where?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 14:47:28 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: Andrew repats his same old FUD 3 Message-ID: <dnYA3AKBNfpG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <87el8m5w9a.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  > D >>    1) Define real-time.  I know of at least 3 definitions, one of. >>    which is peculiar to spacecraft control. >  > What is that one Bob?   H    _Anything_ that happens while the ground control system is in contactC    with the spacecraft (typically several times a day) is known as  D    real-time.  This misnomer probably comes from the fact that thereE    often is real-time processing (by other definitions) during such a     contact.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 17:07:13 -0800. From: kuzishchin@yahoo.com (Kirill Kuzishchin)+ Subject: Re: BIND Resolver cache flush time = Message-ID: <8cab880b.0212131707.2257c7e2@posting.google.com>   @ This is the reply I've got from HP U.S. Customer Support Center:  
 > Hi Kirill,   >   ( > We don't have a bind resolver cache.   > 0 > I have reproduced your problem under 5.3 eco 1" > and agree that this is an issue.K > I am posting an engineering note and should have an answer by next week.     Will keep you updated.   Kirill.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:49:32 -0500 & From: "Ed Vogel" <ed.vogel@compaq.com>2 Subject: Re: DEC C and DEC CXX licenses (on a VAX), Message-ID: <3dfa2bbe_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message 0 news:atcu36$12j1d4$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de...K | One of my systems has a C license loaded. Does that license cover the C++ 3 | (CXX) compiler as well or is that a separate PAK?  | J     C and C++ are different products.  You'll need a separate PAK for C++.       Ed Vogel     Compaq C Engineering.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 22:18:00 -0800' From: roose_chua@yahoo.com (Roose Chua) / Subject: Determining a process' sub-process(es) = Message-ID: <127ddcff.0212132217.2d7ed689@posting.google.com>    Hi all,   : Could someone be able to help me how I could determine theD subprocesses of a certain process? We usually have some process thatF interface with Oracle and on that process, creates a sub-process whichE does the Oracle transactions. So, when we try to monitor the "mother" D process, it would seem to be hanging, but in fact, it is waiting forD it's subprocess to complete. What we usually do is to ask our Oracle= DBA to determine through Oracle what is the process ID of the D subprocess that was created, and then we are able to monitor it. AnyC chance that I could get this through VMS alone and without going to B Oracle itself just to see the subprocess? We have an Alpha cluster( running on OpenVMS 7.2 and Oracle 8.x.x.   Thanks,  Roose    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:47:34 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> : Subject: Re: History,design and implementation of VMS info8 Message-ID: <4sajvu8mjnpbtubbs76esk5c7u3j886uio@4ax.com>  D On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:15:47 +0100, Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:   >gilbert wrote:  >>  I >> There is a lot of information on the web on unix but relatively little E >> on VMS. I know next to nothing about VMS. Is there a book or guide G >> (hopefully online) on the design/internals and implementation of the   >> vms/openvms operating system? > + >Check : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/  >  > E >> Another question: is it a better operating system than the unixes?  >  >What is UNIX ??? = >Do you have any pointers where I could learn more about it ?   6 I believe it's some add on service you can get for NT.  E http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/productinfo/overview/default.asp   D "The Interix technology provides a UNIX environment that runs on top@ the Windows kernel, enabling UNIX application and scripts to runE natively on the Windows platform alongside Windows applications. With ? this capability, you can continue to get value out of your UNIX 6 scripts and applicationssimply reuse them on Windows.  > Windows Services for UNIX 3.0 also includes more than 300 UNIXF utilities and tools that behave exactly as they would on UNIX systems,B plus a software development kit (SDK) that supports over 1900 UNIXC APIs and migration tools such as make, rcs, yacc, lex, cc, c89, nm, 8 strip, gbd, as well as the gcc, g++, and g77 compilers".     >Jan-Erik Sderholm.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:55:47 +0100 6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>  Subject: Re: http_server crashes) Message-ID: <3DFA3B43.2040002@vajhoej.dk>    Mike Rechtman wrote:  C > 2. There is a newsgroup or forum (memory suffers severe slippage) C > specific to this webserver software - I know you can read it from A > http://eisner.encompasserve.org. Look for the WWW-VMS (sp?) ng.      vms-web-daemon@kjsl.com    Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:03:33 +0000 (UTC) / From: "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com>  Subject: Re: Login lexical? / Message-ID: <atdau5$ktq$1@venus.btinternet.com>    Thankyou all very kindly    1 "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message * news:01C2A294.D7C16330@sulfer.icius.com...I > Why not just set their UAF to do this? I believe MAXJOBS should do what  > you want:  >  >         /MAXJOBS=value > E >      Specifies the maximum number of processes (interactive, batch, B >      detached, and network) with the cited user name that can beA >      active simultaneously. The first four network jobs are not B >      counted. By default, a user has a maximum value of 0, which& >      represents an unlimited number. >  > Shane  >  > -----Original Message-----6 > From: Rob Heyes [mailto:robert.heyes@btinternet.com]) > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 7:53 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Login lexical?  >  > J > Can someone suggest a lexical which will tell me how any times a user isF > logged on, so that in their login.com I can test for this and reject > their I > logon if they have, say, more than 5 connections? Or suggest a good way  > of
 > doing this?  >  > Thanks :o) >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:34:13 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?' Message-ID: <3DF93915.A03B2D6C@fsi.net>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > C > David J. Dachtera wrote in message <3DF809FF.F31E9F47@fsi.net>...  > >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  > >>+ > >> You offer no answers that are feasible  > > 
 > >Yes, I do.  > > ' > >>, just wishful thinking.  I wish we K > >> had tons of people and money sitting around to do lots of things.  But  > IA32M > >> wouldn't even get into the top 10 of the things I'd like to do with VMS.  > > H > >...which is probably why neither of us heads the VMS team. You're tooD > >negative and I'm too positive. Ultimate Success lies somewhere in > >between, I should think.  > >  > 4 > If *you* are positive, then it redefines the word.  E Well, take a look back through this sub-thread and see who is saying, 5 "It can't be done" and who is saying, "Just do it!".     Are there any other questions?   >  And I'm the friggin blue  > bird of happyness.  9 In a strange way, yes, I suppose so - to the risk-averse, 6 go-along-with-the-company-line crowd. THAT I can see.   " To the entrepreneurs, however, ...   > I'm a realist.    B As am I, except that I'm more open to possibility and opportunity.  3 > A native port to IA32 of VMS isn't in the cards.     Time for a new deal!  
 > It might? > have been interesting and useful 15 years ago, it isn't now.    E Au contraire - it's even more interesting now that VMS has no viable, * marketable, ready-for-prime-time platform!  
 > IA64 on the  > other hand is feasible,   H ...but is it POSSIBLE??!! Experience to date would seem to indicate that4 perhaps another alternative might be more expedient.  4 > and meets the requirements of the vast majority of > VMS customers.  0 ...if it ever becomes a mass-producible reality!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:29:34 GMT * From: "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com>6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?> Message-ID: <iCbK9.217368$GR5.72540@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3DF93915.A03B2D6C@fsi.net...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:G > Well, take a look back through this sub-thread and see who is saying, 6 > "It can't be done" and who is saying, "Just do it!".  J The fact that people are saying "just do it" doesn't mean it can or shouldK be done. David, I'm as big a VMS bigot as you (and you know that) but let's & be realistic - it's just a pipe dream.  H The "generic" IA32 hardware is as sturdy as your typical house of cards.L It's one of the reasons why M$ slop is as unreliable as it is. Do you really) want to drag VMS reputation down with it?     > Are there any other questions?  # Yes, aside from the hyperbole, why?    ML   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:43:54 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?2 Message-ID: <8c6cnYSLEYoO7mSgXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3DF93915.A03B2D6C@fsi.net...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:   ...   4 > > A native port to IA32 of VMS isn't in the cards. >  > Time for a new deal!  H Perhaps, but not one resulting in an IA32 port of VMS.  I don't think myK credentials as a critic of how VMS has been handled are in very much doubt, E but some of what you're offering here is simply not factual and other  portions just don't make sense.    >  > > It might@ > > have been interesting and useful 15 years ago, it isn't now.  G Fred is 100% correct.  15 years ago it would have been visionary in the F extreme, since the 32-bit 386 indeed already existed but showed littleI promise of becoming performance-competitive with VAX or the nascent PRISM H project (the idea that an architecture like IA32 could compete with RISCL would simply have been laughable) and folks still thought MicroVAX chips andF the VMS environment (at least in DEC customer sites; no one was reallyE interested in going after DOS/Windows elsewhere, after having been so A completely blown away in the DEC-proprietary PC efforts) could be I competitive right down to the desktop level.  10 years ago it would still K have been visionary, since Alpha also was intended back then to extend down L to the desktop level - though my impression is that an exploratory IA32 portH *was* started back about then - and NT had not yet proven itself to be aL real low-end competitor.  5 - 7 years ago, had DEC still had any interest inH pushing VMS, it would have been an absolutely great idea:  fairly decentH IA32 hardware existed at price points significantly below Alpha, and theH ability to run VMS on such a widely-accepted platform would have greatlyH aided DEC's ability to market it (but we know the story there, so that a- port didn't occur then is hardly surprising).   J But today?   If a high-priority IA32 porting effort were started today, itJ could hardly ship before 2005 (given that the IA64 port has been under wayL for 18 months now and still won't ship too much before then).  In 2005, IA32F will still be in major desktop use but will be becoming seen as a veryG low-end platform - definitely not the kind of system one would normally G choose to run the kinds of applications that currently require VMS (and < expecting VMS to compete directly with Windows and Linux forK 'industry-standard' desktops is, frankly, absurd:  it doesn't have anything H like the software base to do so, nor could it possibly acquire it in the next few years).  A Going after commodity-level desktops with VMS would be tilting at J windmills - and don't respond with some platitude about the need to ignoreK the odds and 'just go for it':  in any rational business, that applies only K when there aren't obviously *better* ways to put your resources to use, and I there are *clearly* far better ways to try to get VMS back onto its feet, L starting with vigorous marketing and development in the areas that it didn'tJ completely abdicate a decade or so ago.  Build back the credibility of theL owner's commitment to the product, build back a customer base in those areasL where VMS can already compete, build up the system to the point where it canF start to attack new (old) markets, build up real long-term growth, andH *then* maybe VMS would be in a position where it could start going afterJ commodity-level installations - not before.  You're trying to put the cartE about 1/4 mile in front of the horse by beating the IA32-port drum as K something to be done *today*, and that cart's just not going to go anywhere J until the horse catches up with it (not that I'm optimistic that that willD ever happen, but it *certainly* won't happen if VMS enthusiasts keepG demanding commercially silly efforts rather than things that would make  commercial sense).   > G > Au contraire - it's even more interesting now that VMS has no viable, , > marketable, ready-for-prime-time platform! >  > > IA64 on the  > > other hand is feasible,  > J > ...but is it POSSIBLE??!! Experience to date would seem to indicate that6 > perhaps another alternative might be more expedient.  K Rubbish.  They're 18 months into a 36-month port already, so the suggestion D that changing direction now would be 'more expedient' is ridiculous.   > 6 > > and meets the requirements of the vast majority of > > VMS customers. > 2 > ...if it ever becomes a mass-producible reality!  H I don't think you've been paying attention.  While Itanic2 comes nowhereK near to living up to the original Itanic hype ("2 - 3 times the performance L of its RISC competition!"), and doesn't even live up to its launch hype (theG only place it's a leadership product is in FP-style applications, which J hardly constitute the core of commercial use), and certainly doesn't offerB the current or future potential that Alpha did (which continues toJ demonstrate the utter incompetence of those who killed Alpha and sentencedJ their customers to an unwanted migration, even ignoring the issues of liesE and perfidy), and may never become the mass-market product originally L envisioned, it is *already* a usable product and, *unless* Hammer steals itsF market away and forces Intel to release 'Yamhill' in retaliation, willD probably be a platform that customers who don't require leading-edge= performance or price/performance can commit their futures to.   I So consider turning your efforts into more productive directions, such as C trying to put HP out of business if they don't change their overall I direction, apologize abjectly for past sins, and attach JATO units to VMS E marketing and development.  The IA32 port horse is dead:  if VMS ever H becomes popular on a commodity platform, it will be on some successor to IA32.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 16:26:00 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <o6MaubJN2T1i@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <uvkqdafc85s30b@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes: $ > Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote:H > : Right... why settle for that when you can have whatever vms end date! > : is??? i forget, 38,000 A.D.??  > = > Because when you move _off_ VMS, all the date/time routines  > need to be rewritten.  > 4 > VMS's routines, formats, etc are industry-uniqiue, > ? > Does even the most dyed-in-the-wool VMS supporter here REALLY > > think that VSM will be around in 2106, when the C RTL time() > overflows?  5 I am convinced there will be C date problems in 2038.    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2002 22:42 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS- Message-ID: <13DEC200222423602@gerg.tamu.edu>   % Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes... # }Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote: G }: Right... why settle for that when you can have whatever vms end date   }: is??? i forget, 38,000 A.D.?? } < }Because when you move _off_ VMS, all the date/time routines }need to be rewritten.  * This is not difficult, it is quite simple.  3 }VMS's routines, formats, etc are industry-uniqiue,   E Not entirely. Windows NT/2000/XP uses essentially the same scheme but E with a base date of 1-Jan-1600 (although I'm not certain that it uses E the "negative is delta" deal, but I thnk it might). The conversion is F a simple 64 bit add or subtract of the number of ticks between the two base dates.   > }Does even the most dyed-in-the-wool VMS supporter here REALLY= }think that VSM will be around in 2106, when the C RTL time()  }overflows?   0 1) I don't know. I have no idea whan VSM is. :-p  6 2) Do you really think that Unix will still be in use?  C 3) Do you think that whatever is in use at that time will still use ' the same old stupid Unix time routines?   N 4) Do you really think the C RTL will still be in use (or C, for that matter)?  E 5) The stupid Unix time routines are already being superceeded by UTC D routines that use a 128 bit time representation. (But they are a bitE of a pain to use, comparatively speaking, so they aren't used much as ; far as I can tell - not that I look at much Unix software.)   A 6) The C RTL time routines have included routines that use the tm E structure for a while now, which has various implementations but with G recent versions of the C RTL on VMS is 9 (signed) ints (which should be G common to all implementations, although on some an int might only be 16 H bits), a long, and a pointer to char all used for various values such asH seconds, minutes, hours, etc (as the year is in a signed int with a baseE of 1900, so with a 32 bit int it is good until the year 2,147,485,547 G and can go back to 2,147,481,748 BC - this range should be good for the D vast majority of practical purposes, and most impractical ones too).  F Anybody who remembers the Y2K problem (whcih should be everybody here)J should remember that many of the people who wrote the problematic softwareJ really thought it would still be in use so many years after it was writtenJ (even when "so many" was just 10). Somewhere, someone will always be usingG things for many years after you expected them to not be in use anymore.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:59:18 +0100 5 From: "Chris Clifford" <chris.clifford@openvms.co.uk> 4 Subject: Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today., Message-ID: <3df98552$1@news.swissonline.ch>  - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message 0 news:atas50$12pab8$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de... and I'd have done the same. G > Unfortunately this seems to happen more frequently and this irratinal  > behaviour I > has apparently reached Switzerland as well (a country not exactly known  for " > really *wild* behaviour, right).  L Oh I don't know... a train was 3 minutes late the other day... pretty *wild* behaviour for Switzerland.   - Chris.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 02 08:28:47 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 4 Subject: Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today.) Message-ID: <Lsm0jmFzjC9s@elias.decus.ch>   _ In article <lvKdnVqqOofUtGSgXTWcog@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > L > But it does disturb me a bit to see this idiot's behavior characterized as > 'terrorism'.  E I knew it was the wrong word, but it's a word that's been in the news ? too much lately, and I couldn't think of a suitable substitute.    Bully might be a better word.  --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 02 08:19:46 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 4 Subject: Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today.) Message-ID: <6DZzTj9zrods@elias.decus.ch>   [ In article <atas50$12pab8$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:  >    <sad tale snipped>   >>M > Off topic indeed Paul, but quite understandable and I'd have done the same. G > Unfortunately this seems to happen more frequently and this irratinal  > behaviour M > has apparently reached Switzerland as well (a country not exactly known for " > really *wild* behaviour, right). > Hans > L Spot on. I have seen aggressive driving in various countries, but absolutelyG nothing to match this. I feel sorry for his next victim, who may not be 
 able to cope.    --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 02 08:36:55 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 4 Subject: Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today.) Message-ID: <WGI8c$wu747v@elias.decus.ch>   Z In article <fX9K9.129725$pN3.9033@sccrnsc03>, "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com> writes:7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message . > news:lvKdnVqqOofUtGSgXTWcog@metrocast.net... >>9 >> "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message & >> news:KMJicFh2K+t4@elias.decus.ch...A >> > Totally off topic here. But it is for the record in case the  >> > police arrive.  >>H >> I suppose that might be of some use, and in any case it's good to get, >> something like this off your chest a bit. >>M >> But it does disturb me a bit to see this idiot's behavior characterized as K >> 'terrorism'.  Even though the Bush Administration may attempt to pin the K >> label 'terrorist' on anyone it doesn't like, terrorism, whatever one may I >> think of it, has as its aim some change in society or government - and  > evenM >> when directed at specific individuals is done so because of their symbolic L >> association with some aspect of society or government.  This guy's antics > do" >> not fit that definition at all. > B > By definition, a "terrorist" is anyone that causes another to beM > "terrorized." Only recently has the term been used to describe a particular 5 > set of people who use terror to achieve some goals.  > J > To say that you have been "terrorized" by some nutcase on the roadway isL > entitrly accurate, but it doesn't mean that the nutcase was a member of Al > Qaeda. > I Quite correct. I did feel "terrorized". I said to Bill that "bully" might I be more appropriate, but that's doesn't adequately describe the situation  either.  --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:21:10 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> 4 Subject: Re: Some idiot tried to terrorise me today./ Message-ID: <uvjd4jgs9afi35@corp.supernews.com>    Chris Clifford wrote:     > "Hans Vlems"  wrote in message2 > news:atas50$12pab8$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de... > and I'd have done the same.  > H > >Unfortunately this seems to happen more frequently and this irratinal > >behaviourE > >has apparently reached Switzerland as well (a country not exactly   > known for  > # > >really *wild* behaviour, right).  >  > H > Oh I don't know... a train was 3 minutes late the other day... pretty # > *wild* behaviour for Switzerland.        *Scurrilous* !  3 I don't believe you.  *3* minutes late ???  No way.   7 Please post your source for this scandalous accusation.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.       P.s. ;-)   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 02 08:11:45 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Sun bashing time ) Message-ID: <1bKfs09CeoSV@elias.decus.ch>   d In article <3df88b4c$1@news.swissonline.ch>, "Chris Clifford" <chris.clifford@openvms.co.uk> writes:' > Probably works for Sun in Zurich. :-)  > > LOL! You managed to bring a totally off topic item _on topic_.  2 Congratulations on the twins, whilst I'm at it :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:14:23 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG2 Subject: Re: Using the $AUDIT_EVENT System Service0 Message-ID: <00A1863A.65A58208@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <ohKEFq3YGOhl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: u >In article <i7pK9.344331$%m4.113512@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, Gib Copeland <copeland@jenni.path.uiowa.edu> writes:  >> Mark Itzcovitz wrote: > A >>> #define init_ile32(ile, length, code, bufaddr, retlen_addr) \  >>> {               \ ) >>>  (ile)->ile3$w_code = (code);       \ , >>>  (ile)->ile3$w_length = (length);      \/ >>>  (ile)->ile3$ps_bufaddr = (bufaddr);      \ 5 >>>  (ile)->ile3$ps_retlen_addr = (retlen_addr);    \  >>> }  > H > init_ile32(&item_list[0], NSA$_ALARM_NAME, strlen(security_string),    >security_string, 0);    >  >> Try this: >>  > >> #define init_ile32(ile, code, length, bufaddr, retlen_addr) > B >If that solves the problem, then consider switching to a languageA >that supports keyword parameters, either directly or via macros. 6 >Examples that come to mind are Bliss, Pascal and Ada.  
 ...and Macro.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 12:43:40 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: Using the $AUDIT_EVENT System Service (from C) 3 Message-ID: <xTcs7S9XLZIF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A1863A.65A58208@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: e > In article <ohKEFq3YGOhl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: v >>In article <i7pK9.344331$%m4.113512@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, Gib Copeland <copeland@jenni.path.uiowa.edu> writes: >>> Mark Itzcovitz wrote:  >>B >>>> #define init_ile32(ile, length, code, bufaddr, retlen_addr) \ >>>> {               \* >>>>  (ile)->ile3$w_code = (code);       \- >>>>  (ile)->ile3$w_length = (length);      \ 0 >>>>  (ile)->ile3$ps_bufaddr = (bufaddr);      \6 >>>>  (ile)->ile3$ps_retlen_addr = (retlen_addr);    \ >>>> } >>I >> init_ile32(&item_list[0], NSA$_ALARM_NAME, strlen(security_string),     >>security_string, 0);     >>
 >>> Try this:  >>> ? >>> #define init_ile32(ile, code, length, bufaddr, retlen_addr)  >>C >>If that solves the problem, then consider switching to a language B >>that supports keyword parameters, either directly or via macros.7 >>Examples that come to mind are Bliss, Pascal and Ada.  >  > ...and Macro.   I So it would seem the original poster chose exactly the wrong language :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:55:23 -0000 < From: "Mark Itzcovitz" <mark.itzcovitz@nospam.vistacomp.com>; Subject: Re: Using the $AUDIT_EVENT System Service (from C) < Message-ID: <3dfa736b$0$708$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net>  F > >>>If that solves the problem, then consider switching to a languageE > >>>that supports keyword parameters, either directly or via macros. : > >>>Examples that come to mind are Bliss, Pascal and Ada. > >> > >> ...and Macro. > > L > >So it would seem the original poster chose exactly the wrong language :-) > J > I'm certainly no fan of his chosen lingo and having grown up in rural PAI > I was no fan of a freshly manured field.  In either case, one learns to  > live with the stench. ;) >  > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > K If only it were my choice to make. However, when you're talking about 60000 K lines of code mostly over ten years old that is now 99% common between VMS, J Windows and UNIXs I don't think I'm likely to be allowed to rewrite it, asL much as I would like to. Anyway, it's already been converted from VAX macro, and PDP-11 macro before that.   L Yes, it did solve the problem. It will teach me not to think I know better -E I lifted the define of init_ile32 straight out of an example in a VMS G manual, but changed the order of the parameters (or tried to) to what I  thought made more sense.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:23:53 -0000 8 From: "Leigh Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: VAX 7810's./ Message-ID: <atdj16$r4a$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>   J Sorry that should have read A and B are joined by the FDDI and C and B for test purposes.   -- Leigh G. Bowden.# http://www.bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk ! LGBowden#bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk  +44 161 477 2526   Opinions are mine alone.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:22:40 -0500 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> 1 Subject: Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSS / Message-ID: <uvidj134h6v298@news.supernews.com>   , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A18576.3B6B4815@SendSpamHere.ORG...@ > In article <uvhnpa3cjp5445@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:4 > >"Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message' > >news:00A18595.0BE790F5.3@decus.de... ' > >> <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:  > >> > >> > [...] > >> >K > >> > >Basically you fill out the same form you've always filled out.  The 
 > >hardestL > >> > >part is finding the PDF of the form on the DSPP web site.  I've sent
 > >you the< > >> > >PDF via e-mail (if anyone else needs it, just yell). > >> >5 > >> > John sent me the .PDF order form! Many thanks.  > >> > > >> > He also sent me a URL:  > >> > > >> >K > >> http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/tech/tech_TechDocumentDetailPage_IDX/1,  > >> 1701,4414,00.html > >> > > >> >J > >> > This is the page that I previously found but I do not see a link to the  > >PDF > >> > order form. > >>( > >> Found at the very top of that page: > >> > >> (start of quote)  > >>* > >> Developer and Solution Partner PortalH > >> The DSPP requires JavaScript for correct operation. You have eitherK > >> disabled JavaScript or have a browser that doesn't support JavaScript. I > >> DSPP recommends use of IE 5.0 or above or Netscape 4.76 or above for  > >> best results. > >> > >> (end of quote)  > >>3 > >> I didn't see any reference to a PDF file, too.  > >> > > @ > >With JavaScript enabled the PDF is at the bottom of the page. > >  > >  >  > No it's not. > J > Netscape 3.03B on OpenVMS Alpha doesn't show it with JavaScript enabled. > I > Netscape 4.51 on NT 4.0SP6a doesn't    show it with JavaScript enabled. G > Mickey$loth Internet Exploiter V5.00.2314.100CO on NT 4.0SP6a doesn't % >    show it with JavaScript enabled.  >  > J > I believe the last item is one of the "recommended" browsers in the mes-- > sage displayed when JavaScript is disabled.  >   C Why do they have to make a simple web page so freakin' complicated?    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 07:55:23 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>1 Subject: Re: VMS still a bastard child under DPSS 5 Message-ID: <20021213075523.6257.qmail@nym.alias.net>   F On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:M >> > I believe the last item is one of the "recommended" browsers in the mes- 0 >> > sage displayed when JavaScript is disabled. >  > M >"view source" is  your best friend in those cases.  That is what I do when I:M >get to a page that just doesn't want to let me click on something. I look atEK >the source, assemble the URL I need and then paste it in the URL field and  >bypass their fancy page.e  K I assume that the merging of the various programmes means that PH-UX peopleh0 are also expected to go through these pages. No?  E I would have expected that HP would understand that - due to securityjI issues - some people may prefer to access the site with a browser such as  Lynx.o  E It is possible to create pages that will display reasonably well in a K graphical browser, and be accessible with a text browser. Anyway, FWIW thisd? sounds like a case where the content is more important than thed< presentation and the page should be constructed accordingly.     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netr   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2002 13:46:36 -0800- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) ) Subject: Re: Webserver advice for VAX/VMS,= Message-ID: <3ff5fed3.0212131346.56fc0619@posting.google.com>-  _ "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message news:<asvhc5$v92or$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>...e > Hunter > ? > could you give us a pointer where we can download Purveyor  ?D >d? Sorry for the delay in replying.  You can Hobbyist licenses forf< MultiNet, TCPware, and Purveyor by filling out a form on our	 web site:o   http://www.process.com/openvms/r  E Click on "Hobbyist" on the left.  Once your VMS PAK has been verifiedaF as being a Hobbyist PAK, you'll receive your Process PAK(s) by e-mail,. along with download instructions for the kits.   Hunter ------8 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, goathunter@goatley.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:17:21 +0100i4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>Y Subject: [OT] uVAX-II souvenir (was: misc HW maintenance end of life dates, where? where?-' Message-ID: <3DF98982.386A9265@Free.fr>   H As John McLean would say, the subject line of your post should have been& modified, JF "Miracle Pill" Mezei :-))   D.   JF Mezei wrote:7 >  > Didier Morandi wrote: T > > Where can I find the official HW maintenance end of life dates for the following > > uVAX-IId > K > My teenage all mighty Microvax II is very much alive and kicking (in slow3 > motion, of course!)tQ > It was born in 1987. But I think the model was already a year old by that time.    -- e3   --------------------------------------------------3 MORANDI Consultants - http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr90   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.3 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax : +33 (0)5 6154 1928 3 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans. 3 ---------------------------------------------------$3 Anti-publicit : enlever ".nospam" pour me rpondret   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.689 ************************