1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 21 Dec 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 704       Contents:- Anyone remember Shark terminal Palmer killed?  Re: backup question ) Re: bell volume on AlphaServer 800 5/500?  Re: Best VAX upgrade I've seen4 Re: Demise of VMS (and most other operating systems)4 Re: Demise of VMS (and most other operating systems) Re: Digital server 5000  Re: Digital server 5000  Re: Digital server 5000  Re: Digital server 5000  First Hammer performance test 6 Re: Is it possible to add a cluster node w/o decnet???6 Re: Is it possible to add a cluster node w/o decnet??? Re: just a couple of things  Re: just a couple of things  Re: just a couple of things  Re: just a couple of things  Re: just a couple of things 1 Re: looking for CD-RW or DVD-RW capability on VMS 4 Re: Loss of Enet Performance on DS10 -> DS25 Upgrade! Re: Low-level format for MicroVax ) Re: MIME extension recognition under CSWS  Problem Telnet Re: Problem Telnet Re: Problem Telnet# Re: Reminder: openvms-managers list  Spiralog anyone? UTC time in DCL  Re: Vol Shadowing Question WASD 8.1 Released   Re: Webserver advice for VAX/VMS  Re: Webserver advice for VAX/VMS: Re: [very OT] domestic network between PC W98 and Mac OS X  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2002 07:15:31 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)6 Subject: Anyone remember Shark terminal Palmer killed?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0212210715.2e89551e@posting.google.com>   8 Does anyone have details on the shark dumb terminal that2 Palmer killed because Gates asked him to (rumors)? What all could it do?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:55:27 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: backup question5 Message-ID: <atvsjq$37mhk$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   0 "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> schreef in bericht3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEJKGEAA.tom@kednos.com... ? > but the problem with image is that you have to mount foreign. ; > All I want to do is to copy an entire disk to some rooted E > directory on a spare drive, and to copy only those files that don't 7 > exist on the target, or have a higher version number.  > : This will work with disks that are both mounted correctly:  * $ backup/image/ignore=interlock $3$dka200:% $2$dkc100:[backup]disk_label.bck/save   < Which is what you wanted, if I understand your initial post.   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:12:00 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>2 Subject: Re: bell volume on AlphaServer 800 5/500?5 Message-ID: <au1lqi$3fbnb$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   J "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> schreef in bericht- news:oRGR1iNOkb6L@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > H >    Two AplhaServer 800 5/500, one has a V55 console and one has a V500
 >    console.  > G >    The console bell (which seems to be coming out of the pedestal) is H >    much too loud for our setting.  Is there a volume control somewhere< >    (that will stay set across power cycles, reboots, ...)? > J On the CDE console you'll find an icon with a mouse and three "T"'s. ClickJ it and you'll get the Style Manager. 5th icon from the right allows you toB set the beep volume and on my 5000 it stays low even at boot time.   Hans   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2002 06:11:29 -0800( From: baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut)' Subject: Re: Best VAX upgrade I've seen < Message-ID: <c5cf6e8.0212210611.199fc87d@posting.google.com>  _ "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message news:<asa26l$paieo$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>... 9 > "Baby Peanut" <baby_p_nut@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht 8 > news:c5cf6e8.0211270618.3454e112@posting.google.com...- > > http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/edenvax/  > ' > Couldn't they have used an RS6000 ...   @ I've contacted the person who did it.  Seems he is interested inB running SIMH VAX on it so it will be a VAX again sort of.  Hmmm, a# uVax 3900 in a Vaxstation 2000 box.   ) http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/edenvax/    http://simh.trailing-edge.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:10:11 +0000 + From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> = Subject: Re: Demise of VMS (and most other operating systems) 8 Message-ID: <hsi80vkkmevs4tnhospjsmjdua3cenvvcv@4ax.com>  K On 20 Dec 2002 11:15:18 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob  Koehler) wrote:   F >   I am making no assumption.  This is based on experience.  We FTP aF >   random length file in binary.  We get a collection of fixed lengthH >   512 byte records.  The last record is 0 filled.  A C program readingI >   the file as a stream file gets the whole last record.  There's no way E >   to tell the correct length unless you know that the original file  >   did not end in bytes of 0.  G Try setting the record format to "undefined".  RMS $GETs will correctly L return the number of genuine bytes in the last block, if the file header EOFK info has been set appropriately.  Whether this will work correctly with the  C RTL on top, I don't know.   L I think "undefined" is a closer fit to a genuine byte stream than any of theA so-called stream formats, all of which embody some form of record  terminator.      	John    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:39:39 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> = Subject: Re: Demise of VMS (and most other operating systems) H Message-ID: <%QGM9.26075$opk.14494@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A18B08.FB97D1B6@SendSpamHere.ORG...J > In article <8SqM9.17256$F2h1.6994@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,% "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > > @ > >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message, > >news:3E020E4B.E2128124@vl.videotron.ca... > >> Lurker at Large wrote:  > >>H > >> >         We have a product line that covers the spectrum, so we're still  > >aI > >> > market leader for our application.  But customer demand is what is 
 > >pulling us ! > >> > over toward the dark side.  > >>K > >> Then it is your responsability (since Dec/HP isn't doing its marketing 
 > >job) toH > >> sell VMS to the customer and tell him that by staying with VMS, the > >customer I > >> retains a valuable strategic advantage over his competitors since he  has J > >> better uptime, less human resources required to maintain the machine,	 > >better K > >> security, almost nil chance of having the server ciorrupted by a virus  > >which> > >> could cripple his companmy for hours/days (need I go on). > >  > >  > >JF, > > L > >A smart vendor points out that VMS is a better environment, a wise vendor+ > >does what the customer wants after that.  > > J > >If they want WinDoze or Linux, then that's what they will get, assuming thatL > >the vendor does walk away from the business. After all, the vendor's kids% > >have to eat and go to college too.  > J > What does selling a Weendoze or Linux have to do with children attending
 > college? >     % I missed a word in my orginal post... @ "assuming that the vendor does NOT walk away from the business."  E Unfortunately these days, selling a VMS-based solution to the general K application buying Fortune 1000 is sort of like pushing on a rope - it just  doesn't work for the most part.   L Sure there are a small handful of customers who will contine to run VMS, andL an even smaller number who will switch to VMS for specific applications, butI I sure as heck don't see the announcements coming from my customer base's L CIO's that read "After careful examination of the economics, full life-cycleH costs, and the probable costs of downtime, we have decided to switch ourK entire computing backbone infrastructure to OpenVMS. We will contine to use J Windows and unix at the desktop, but all our heavy lifting will be done onB VMS." Yet we see announcement of the demise of VMS at corporationsJ practically daily. Of course there are wins for VMS from time-to-time, butJ those are more the exception than the rule - how I recall when the reverse
 held true.  H And all that has nothing to do with technical reality, it only has to do@ with perception. Which equals marketing, of which there is none.  J As a software vendor and developer, I'd much prefer to sell a VMS solutionJ to a customer - it makes me look better in their eyes when the app doesn'tG go down because the o/s decided to 'go walkabout'. It avoids the finger K pointing of my customers saying that the application/system is 'flakey'. It G makes my job easier to find bugs when I develop, and tracebacks make it K easier to find a bug if my app does cause a problem while in production vs.  other environments.   L However, I have to eat, send my kids to college, and fund my retirement too.I So if I can't convince my customers that VMS is the best answer for them, K then I swallow my pride and I deliver the apps on unix or linux or windows. I Looking at it a slightly different way, I don't have to pay a premium for L scarce *experienced* VMS developers who want to *stay* on VMS - I get to payJ journeyman wages to the hordes of unix/linux/windows 'experts' while stillJ charging the customers a premium, especially on the 'maintenance' where it4 is plainly the o/s and not the app that is at fault.  L It sure isn't intellectually satisfying to sell unix/linux/windows solutionsK knowing that my customers could have better value using VMS. But it's their  money and their choice.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:12:51 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>  Subject: Re: Digital server 50005 Message-ID: <au1ls8$3ik8i$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   : "Jeff Campbell" <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> schreef in bericht% news:3E03F7D4.54A51BD1@ins-msi.com...  > > Hans Vlems wrote: 7 > > >"Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> schreef in bericht # news:3E037177.5080800@vajhoej.dk...  >  > [snip] > $ > > Firmware can be downloaded from:9 > >    http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/ : > > (I belive installation instructiosn come with the kit) > > < > > VMS is not supported on Digital Server 5000 systems. But > > it may work anyway.  > >  > > Arne > >  > >Arne, > > K > >thanks for the URL, I had a look at it, but couldn't figure out how that   > >site works, not yet at least.L > >You are right: VMS is not supported on a Dig. Srvr 5000. But it boots VMSL > >from the installation CD. The problem is that there's no SCSI adapter, so I L > >cannot start the installation. I tried this once succesfully on a DigitalH > >Server 3000, a smaller (EV4) nephew of the 5000. Ans that works well,3 > >provided you invoke the correct incantations :-) J > >The question remains: what SCSI controlers does VMS support, say, on  a > >1000(A) or 1200?  > >  > >Hans  > D > The SCSI controllers you want are the KZPBA or  KZPSC / KZPAC. TheA > later two are DEC compatible Mylex DAC960 RAID controllers. All @ > three of these SCSI interfaces will work with both the SRM and > Alphabios consoles.  > ? > The Adaptec AHA-[23]940 will work with the Alphabios console.  > ? > The above controllers are single-ended. The KZPSA, which is a B > differential-ended interface, will also work with both consoles. > D > A caution about the KZPBA, which is Qlogic 1040B based. Use eitherD > the internal HD68 connector or the external HD68 connector but notB > both. So if you want devices in both the 5000's StorageWorks bayB > and an external BA356 (say), use a second KZPBA for the external > StorageWorks box.  >  > Jeff Campbell  > n8wxs@arrl.net   Jeff   thanks for the information.    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:15:42 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>  Subject: Re: Digital server 50005 Message-ID: <au1m1h$3mhge$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   < "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> schreef in bericht- news:TZgJsf7pyo3W@eisner.encompasserve.org... ; > In article <3E03C9E2.6080909@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble  <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > I > > Alphas, while a bit different, are actually easier to work with.  You  can run H > > VMS from the CD.  Installs and upgrades are run from the CD, and are easier than 
 > > on a VAX.  > F > While one does not do VAX installs and upgrades when booted from the CDROM,E > one can boot VAX/VMS from the distribution CD for utility purposes.    Larry,  H that's right, quite neat actually. The system boots from CD and option 8K gets you into a somewhat limited DCL environment. But it was good enough to  show memory, sho lic/char etc.   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:19:08 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>  Subject: Re: Digital server 50005 Message-ID: <au1m7u$3kru2$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   2 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> schreef in bericht# news:3E037A72.9040100@vajhoej.dk...  > Hans Vlems wrote:  > 6 > > "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> schreef in bericht' > > news:3E037177.5080800@vajhoej.dk...  > >>Hans Vlems wrote: D > >>>The firmware is at level 5.4 and VMS rather prefers 5.9. Is the firmware > >>>available on-line? @ > >>>If so how do I install the firmware? (I have no books...:-( >  > $ > >>Firmware can be downloaded from:9 > >>   http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/ : > >>(I belive installation instructiosn come with the kit) >  > L > > thanks for the URL, I had a look at it, but couldn't figure out how that! > > site works, not yet at least.  >  > ; > If you pick Digital Server 5000 in the combo box with the ? > label Digital Server, then you is immediatetly redirected to: J >    http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/readmes/as1200.html > = > (at least if you use a recent MS Windows based web-browser)  >  > Arne >    Arne,   L the installation of the firmware proved rather straightforward. I downloadedI the file as1200_v6_0.exe and put it in sys$sysdevice:[sys0.sysexe]; fixed K the file attributes and booted from that file. The upgrade option took care L of everything and the ugly warning that the firmware level is too low is now gone.   L I put an RZ28M on the same bus as the CD drive and installed VMS on it. OnceF I get a SCSI controller I can always do an image backup. Works nice...   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:26:28 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>  Subject: Re: Digital server 50005 Message-ID: <au1mll$3klnb$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   7 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> schreef in bericht & news:3E03C9E2.6080909@tsoft-inc.com... > Hans Vlems wrote:  > K > > I have a temporary guest: a Digital Server 5000 system. It might become  a L > > permanent resident provided it will behave and run VMS. The system bootsJ > > from a VMS 7.3 cd, so that's encouraging. The problem is that I'm used toK > > VAXes, VAXstations actually so this is all rather new, please have some * > > patience with the following questions. >  > K > Alphas, while a bit different, are actually easier to work with.  You can  run F > VMS from the CD.  Installs and upgrades are run from the CD, and are easier than  > on a VAX.  > J Agreed, once you've seen this you start to think why VAX Standalone Backup+ couldn't have had just a few more features.  > L > > Unfortunately the SCSI controller is missing, which leads to question 1. >  >  > Not good.   K Yup, but the CD drive worked and that bus had an unused 50 pin connector. I 4 put an RZ28 M on that so at least I can install VMS.  . > > What kind of SCSI controller is supported? >  > B > Probably quite a few.  When I say this, I'm refering to the SCSI controllers I > supported by the system and VMS, not just any old ADAPTEC board you may  find.   2 Of course, a VMS supoorted controller is required.  > > Go to the SOC archives, and get the doc on SCSI controllers. > K > > I have two white flatcables with black connectors on them; 1"x1/8", are  > > these SCSI cables? >  > + > Don't know what these are.  Wide SCSI????  > L Don't know either, I removed all side panels and the flat cables go to smallJ PCB's at the right hand side (as seen from the front). Similar flat cables run to the SCSI expansion box.8 So I need a SCSI controller that has two internal buses. Would that be the KZPBA? > L > > The firmware is at level 5.4 and VMS rather prefers 5.9. Is the firmware > > available on-line? >  > , > Yes, and usually comes with any VMS media. > ? > > If so how do I install the firmware? (I have no books...:-(  >  > K > You boot the firmware disk.  It's pretty self explanatary from that point  on.  >  > Dave  L well I did not have that disk either, but once VMS runs you can download andJ install an image on a VMS disk and boot that file. SOmewhat similar to the" B/10 Eza0 routine on a VAXstation.   Thanks,    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:45:59 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>& Subject: First Hammer performance test8 Message-ID: <fc680vs3ulrssfthkirarejoj73lcci54e@4ax.com>  F The German magazine CT has issued a first comparisation test between aA 1.2 GHz Hammer, a 1.2 GHz Athlon XP and a 2.2 GHz Pentium 4 (real  clock speeds).  C All tests were done in 32 bit mode, Later tests will use the 64 bit  mode too of course.   E The Hammer was a lot faster than the Athlon XP, and a bit slower than A the Pentium. Using AMD's normal way of branding CPU's, the Hammer B could be branded as a 2000+ processor (=comparible to a 2 GHz P4).  D The memory access in particular was extremely fast, also much faster as with the P4.   B Keeping in mind that this Hammer was just a prototype, the editorsF expect that the entry model 2 GHz Hammer can be branded as a 3300+ CPUF when it hits the market in Q1/Q2 2003. And since the Hammer also has aC Alpha EV7 like possibilty for interprocessor communication, I can't E wait to see the first tests for multi-cpu servers and workstations.     E Somewhere in the next year I will buy myself a new PC. At that time I D will have the choice between pure 32 bit CPU's, a CPU that is a veryE fast 32 bit CPU and (most likely) a (very?) fast 64 bit CPU (so I can = run 32 bit and 64 bit windooz as well as 64 bit Linux), and a F (expensive) CPU that is a very slow 32 bit CPU, and a fast 64 bit CPU.  F Three guesses what I'm going to buy if the price is somewhat ok. Now IC just wonder what the new 'industry standard' CPU is going to be for D what is now known as the Wintel market. Perhaps in two years we will) talk about the WinAmd or WinAth market ?     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:19:24 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)? Subject: Re: Is it possible to add a cluster node w/o decnet??? 3 Message-ID: <03KM9.28100$Sy3.271902@news.chello.at>   K In article <3E03439D.60C388B4@vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> writes: I >we can't upgrade, since we're running an Ingres 6.4-03 database, the one F >that's one little number below what is certified for running on vms 6
 >and beyond..   ( Why don't you upgrade INGRES to 6.4/05 ?J AFAIK/IIRC we had no problems (but we needed patches for 6.4/05) with this9 INGRES version and our application(s) on VMS up to V7.3 !    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:37:30 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>? Subject: Re: Is it possible to add a cluster node w/o decnet??? 5 Message-ID: <au1nab$3o55l$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   0 "Jim Agnew" <jpagnew@vcu.edu> schreef in bericht! news:3E03656B.89B1F9B0@vcu.edu... < > How were they set up?  Just ignore the decnet questions in > cluster_config.com?  >  > Bob Koehler wrote: > > G > > In article <3E033B38.54CA0F6F@vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>  writes: E > > > subject says it all... the vms 5.5-2 clusterconfig.com seems to G > > > want/need decnet running, but with the advent of the new cslg, it  looks @ > > > like decnet is gone (or i had too much Christmas cheer...) > > > F > > > So before twiddling with this, has anyone been there, done that? > > L > >    I know of clusters that have been running without DECnet since before > >    1992.: In MODPARAMS.DAT you need at least the following settings: SCSNODE="CHLOOR"   SCSSYSTEMID=1034   VAXCLUSTER=0   WINDOW_SYSTEM=1    !    NISCS_LOAD_PEA0 =1  
 VAXCLUSTER =2    MSCP_LOAD =1   MSCP_SERVE_ALL =1    ALLOCLASS =4   INTERCONNECT ="NI"  
 BOOTNODE ="Y"   I If you want to share tapes across the cluster, look at tape_alloclass and  TMSCP_SERVE_ALL    Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:10:26 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: just a couple of things1 Message-ID: <6eWM9.2454$qq5.22043@news.chello.at>    In article <rdeininger-2012022253150001@user-2ive15h.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: P >In article <IMEM9.22240$Sy3.202091@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at wrote: > J >>The new version of the docset does still no bring TCPIP V5.3 docs in allI >>cases. Most of them are still 5.1 though listed under the 5.3 column...  > F >I expect those are manuals that were not updated for the 5.3 release.  % Obviously, but they should have been. / There seems no doc for the new BIND 9 online...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:48:51 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: just a couple of things1 Message-ID: <7OWM9.3026$qq5.38099@news.chello.at>   b In article <3E03DD0D.52EBDA18@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:L >> >The new version of the docset does still no bring TCPIP V5.3 docs in allK >> >cases. Most of them are still 5.1 though listed under the 5.3 column...  > O >The 5.3 release notes provide some of the additional features of 5.3 that were 6 >not documened in those manuals that are still at 5.1.  G Yes, but don't you also expect pure 5.3 documentation in the 5.3 column > when there is a separate 5.1 column with the 5.1 docs beside ?  G Wouldn't be a "use 5.1 doc" at the places where the 5.3 doc is not made ? be better ? And wouldn't be a complete 5.3 doc also be better ?   J And finally, what is the reason for 'them' to not make a complete docset ?O Too few changes ? Doesn't apply. And also (almost) never was a reason before...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 05:09:39 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: just a couple of things/ Message-ID: <3E042FD2.2E7221BB@vl.videotron.ca>    Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:I > Yes, but don't you also expect pure 5.3 documentation in the 5.3 column @ > when there is a separate 5.1 column with the 5.1 docs beside ?  G You mean on the VMS doc web site ? If so, yes, and the comment was made G already that it was misleading that 5.1 doc was being served in the 5.3 L column. But consider the poor web master is knee deep in HP javascript so heJ probably has no time to worry about actual content since the emhaiss theseT days is alwasy on adding useless fluff whose only function is to slow down the user.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:37:38 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG$ Subject: Re: just a couple of things0 Message-ID: <00A18BBD.CFF609AA@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <ewJM9.17$vX3.1465529@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes: >JF Mezei wrote: >> Sue Skonetski wrote:  >>  L >>>I just wanted to let you know that I will be officially out of the officeK >>>until Jan 6th, but in reality I will be in and out the week of the 30th.  >>   >>  J >> You have to come in once a day to feed the engineers in their habitat ? >>   > I >She left me extra Jolt, Twinkees, and potato chips.  I'll survive until   >she gets back. :-)    ... but will VMS?    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:30:11 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG$ Subject: Re: just a couple of things0 Message-ID: <00A18C4B.43CCB4F4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <3E042FD2.2E7221BB@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: J >> Yes, but don't you also expect pure 5.3 documentation in the 5.3 columnA >> when there is a separate 5.1 column with the 5.1 docs beside ?  > H >You mean on the VMS doc web site ? If so, yes, and the comment was madeH >already that it was misleading that 5.1 doc was being served in the 5.3M >column. But consider the poor web master is knee deep in HP javascript so he K >probably has no time to worry about actual content since the emhaiss these U >days is alwasy on adding useless fluff whose only function is to slow down the user. U                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   ! ... or alientate them completely!    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:09:09 +0100 C From: Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> : Subject: Re: looking for CD-RW or DVD-RW capability on VMS> Message-ID: <00A18C8B.60514671.1@CHCLU.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>  H >On 12/20/02 7:50 AM, in article 3E033C42.40740992@lycos.com, "Irving F." >Snurd" <dacadc0@lycos.com> wrote:  K >> We're running several DS10s (Alpha, OpenVMS 7.3, PCI bus, IDE) and would I >> like to be able to write files (or do backup) to CD or DVD.  Are there J >> any driver/hardware combinations out there yet?  We could go SCSI if we >> need to.  >>       Thanks for any help. ! >>           Bill Manwaring, IUCF  >>  E >The following page gives a full description including how to make an  >ISO9660/Files-11 Hybrid CD.  @ >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/9999/vmscdwri.html   Very old information   Last update 06-Jul-1999    eberhardO ===============================================================================    Dr. Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann  Univ. Konstanz Fakultaet fuer Chemie  Universitaets-Strasse 10 D-78464 Konstanz Germany . Phone: +49-7531-88-2026, FAX: +49-7531-88-3139* email: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de  O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:26:45 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> = Subject: Re: Loss of Enet Performance on DS10 -> DS25 Upgrade 2 Message-ID: <3E04961A.7BDC3F2F@firstdbasource.com>   Robbie Benton wrote: > D > I have two DS10 computers in the following configuration: (this isF > part of a larger configuration - but I think this is enough for this
 > discussion)  > * >                      +-----------------+* >                      |  Enet Switch A  |* >                      +-----------------+( >                        |             |( >                        |             |0 >                +----------+       +----------+0 >                |  CPU #1  |       |  CPU #2  |0 >                +----------+       +----------+( >                        |             |( >                        |             |* >                      +-----------------+* >                      |  Enet Switch B  |* >                      +-----------------+ > E > Both Ethernet Switches are identical and are 3Com SuperStacker 3300 E > 10/100 models.  The DS10s (OpenVMS V7.3-1, TCP/IP Services 5.3 with E > the MUP, DECnet IV) are configured to use TCP on both networks, and  > DECnet only on Network B.  > E > A simple copy of a large file on CPU #1 to the NL: Device on CPU #2 F > provides an indication that the two networks are fairly equal:  WhenG > copying the file via FTP, both Network A and Network B provide a four C > second copy time, while the DECnet copy on Network B completes in  > about 1.5 seconds. > E > I then upgraded CPU #1 to a DS25.  The DS25, like the DS10, has two C > ethernet ports on the motherboard.  Since the DS10 was already at H > 7.3-1, I simply loaded an image copy from the DS10 to the DS25 for theD > system disk, and made the required changes for device names in theE > TCP/IP and DECnet configurations.  I connected the 10/100 Port A to ? > Network A, and connected the 10/100/1000 Port B to Network B.  > D > The DS10s are set up at the console mode to auto-negotiate on bothH > ports, so I configured the DS25 to do the same.  Both ports, accordingB > to the console messages, negotiated to 100 Full Duplex. This was > expected.  > G > After the first few minutes of uptime, we noticed the Ethernet Switch C > Port Link Light for Network B (DS25) would occasionally drop out. A > Expecting a problem with negotiation, we shut down the DS25 and E > configured Port B for 100 Full Duplex and rebooted.  We are in that  > state now. > F > Performing the same test, the file transfers on Network A via FTP inG > about the same four seconds.  However, the same file takes 34 seconds B > to transfer via FTP on Network B, and a whopping 1 minute and 50! > seconds to transfer via DECnet.  > ( > So my questions to the group would be: > D > 1.  Is there additional configurations that I should have done for? > Port B, even though I am not trying to obtain gigabit speeds?  > D > 2.  Even though I am not trying to obtain Gigabit speeds, must the > Ethernet Switch be upgraded? > E > 3.  What analysis tools should I be using to determine the problem?  > ( > 4.  Anything else I did not think off? >  > Thanks for all of the help!  >  > Robbie  H I have run into the issue where it "negotiaing skills" are questionable.  H At the >>> prompt on the DS25 make sure you issue the following commands *this is exact syntax*.    SET EI*MODE FASTFD
 SET FFAUTO ON   E This will SET the speed to Fast(100) Full Duplex explicitly on all EI  devices.   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:02:19 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>* Subject: Re: Low-level format for MicroVax5 Message-ID: <au1op8$3lagt$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   ? "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> schreef in bericht ) news:3E027EF4.9FB3068D@vl.videotron.ca...  > Oliver Obi wrote:  > > 6 > > I need the Diag-Software on TK50-Tape to low-level7 > > format my RD54 Harddisk. Where can i get this tape?  > E > You need to undergo special tribal rituals involving some scarring, 
 walking onK > hot coals, special chants, live by yourself on an island in the middle of  the K > pacific for 30 days before you are granted the right to ask for that tape  :-)  > K > Or you can send me an email and we could arrange something offline if you  haveK > the ability to ftp a file and move it to your microvax to be written to a  TK50.  > K > Note that working on a TK50 may be considered a ritual that requires more I > endurance to pain than the rituals listed above and thus may exempt you  from > the above rituals :-)  > > > you can contact me at  v a x i n a t i o n   at videotron.ca   <WG>K Wouldn't it be easier for him to get a microVAX 2000? IIRC it can format an   RD54 with its built-in firmware.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:26:42 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)2 Subject: Re: MIME extension recognition under CSWS; Message-ID: <3e046c12.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   2 Michael Austin (maustin@firstdbasource.com) wrote: > Martin Vorlaender wrote:G > > I just stumbled over an annoyance with CSWS 1.2 and didn't find any 6 > > notice in the 1.3 release notes, so I'll ask here: > > K > > I have a few .PCSI-ZIP_AXPEXE files on my site, and would like to serve G > > them as application/zip (or /octet-stream). So I started out adding  > > , > > AddType application/zip .pcsi-zip_axpexe > > J > > to conf/httpd.conf, and restarted. Didn't work - file gets served with > > the DefaultType. > > F > > I entered the extension in conf/mime.types, and restarted. No luck > > either.h > 7 > try changing the type to application/x-zip-compressedv9 > try adding this filetype to the browser not the server.   ? Sorry, but that won't help. If CSWS doesn't serve the MIME typei= correctly, it's irrelevant to what the browser is configured.r  6 BTW: application/zip is a registered MIME type (as perE ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/media-types/). Types likeoA application/x-* are for experimental types prior to registration.d  G > I have attempted to use  a cgi script to accomplish this, but takes auG > few gyrations to get the file to look like it is supposed to... It is J > late and I need some sleep, so, here is the start. see if you can get it
 > to work: >sE > $ write sys$output f$fao("!AS!/!/", "Content-type: application/uu")M  > $ uuencode :== $TCPIP$UUENCODE+ > $ uuencode   <filename>.ZIP <filename>.uue > $ exit > I > I tried using copy and type to "download" the file, but it gets munged.   A In any application/* type, a header should be sent describing thesG "Content-length" of the body that follows. Other than that, I can't see H any reason why it shouldn't work. I just tried it (using copy under CSWSA 1.3 - I'm at home now), and my browser (Netscape 2.02 under OS/2)7F prompts me what to do with the file, then saves it. But UUDECODE tells me "no end line". Hmmm...m  A Another try: this time I used the VMS FAQ zip file, renamed it tocE .VMSZIP, added that type in conf/mime.types, and used "lynx -head" torE determine the MIME type under which it gets served. Sure enough, CSWS 3 1.3 serves it correctly. Time to update, I guess...0   cu,5   Martin -- mF   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deLF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:42:54 +0100k" From: "hb1nos" <hb1nos@hb1nos.com> Subject: Problem Telnetn; Message-ID: <3e0445a6$0$30073$fb624cd1@news1.zeelandnet.nl>h   Hi all..  - I wanted to change me telnet port so i did ..e   UCX> set noserver telnet6 UCX> set server telnet /port=3604 /user=pipo /file= ??  1 With the file option i made a mistake i think ...d! i put /file=UCX$TELNET as option.., But now i can't get telnet running (Oepssss)K Does anybody no what i'm doing rong, an most important how i can get telnetu runnig again   Thx..o --  ; Packetradioserver HB1NOS Ouwerkerk the Netherlands (JO11XP)s- Internet HTTP/FTP/TELNET tcp/ip 62.238.227.58o0 Packetradio HTTP/FTP/TELNET tcp/ip 27.137.143.50 E-mail : hb1nos@hb1nos.com   www.hb1nos.com www.vmsnetwork.com www.jnosnetwork.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:47:35 +0100w" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: Problem Telneto5 Message-ID: <au1ogs$3neug$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>e  / "hb1nos" <hb1nos@hb1nos.com> schreef in berichto5 news:3e0445a6$0$30073$fb624cd1@news1.zeelandnet.nl...w
 > Hi all.. > / > I wanted to change me telnet port so i did ..a >e > UCX> set noserver telnet8 > UCX> set server telnet /port=3604 /user=pipo /file= ?? > 3 > With the file option i made a mistake i think ...-# > i put /file=UCX$TELNET as option.-. > But now i can't get telnet running (Oepssss)F > Does anybody no what i'm doing rong, an most important how i can get telnet > runnig again >o > Thx..n > --I It is SET SERVICE, not SET SERVER, but you get away with that because DCLc& only checks the first four characters.I Other than that, TCPIP HELP SET SERVICE explains that the /FILE attributeg6 points to the (required) service startup command file.( So basically that gives you two options:B 1) put the correct file name there SET SERVICE TELNET/FILE=........ 2) copy the appropriate file to UCX$TELNET.COM and restart the service.J Now I've never played with these options, but could it be that the file is4 actually called SYS$MANAGER:UCX$TELNET_STARTUP.COM ?   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:59:19 -0500d+ From: "Chris Moore" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca>m Subject: Re: Problem Telnete: Message-ID: <q_1N9.6431$iQ3.1546187@news20.bellglobal.com>  H Not intimately familiar with UCX, but based on a system here running UCXH 4.1-ECO 10, you need to reset the TELNET service with no file specified.F Here is the full service description for ours (that's running nicely):   UCX> show service telnet/fullg   Service: TELNETc.                             State:     EnabledE                             Port:               23     Protocol:  TCPe Address:  0.0.0.0oE                             Inactivity:          1     User_name: noti! defined     Process:  not definedtE                             Limit:              50     Active:      1n
 Peak:       8g   File:           not defined  Flags:        Listen Rttyo  ?                           Socket Opts:  Keepalive Rcheck Scheck I                           Receive:         3000     Send:            3000o  8  Log Opts:     Actv Dactv Conn Error Logi Logo Mdfy Rjct  File:        not definedo   Security1                          Reject msg:  not defined-,                         Accept host: 0.0.0.0,                         Accept netw: 0.0.0.0  - "hb1nos" <hb1nos@hb1nos.com> wrote in messagea5 news:3e0445a6$0$30073$fb624cd1@news1.zeelandnet.nl...0 Hi all..  - I wanted to change me telnet port so i did ..O   UCX> set noserver telnet6 UCX> set server telnet /port=3604 /user=pipo /file= ??  1 With the file option i made a mistake i think ...m! i put /file=UCX$TELNET as option.r, But now i can't get telnet running (Oepssss)K Does anybody no what i'm doing rong, an most important how i can get telnet. runnig again   Thx..w --  ; Packetradioserver HB1NOS Ouwerkerk the Netherlands (JO11XP) - Internet HTTP/FTP/TELNET tcp/ip 62.238.227.58 0 Packetradio HTTP/FTP/TELNET tcp/ip 27.137.143.50 E-mail : hb1nos@hb1nos.com   www.hb1nos.com www.vmsnetwork.com www.jnosnetwork.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:20:13 -0500>+ From: "Chris Moore" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca>y, Subject: Re: Reminder: openvms-managers list: Message-ID: <1i2N9.6438$iQ3.1550167@news20.bellglobal.com>  D Tried to subscribe from the openvms.org home page, got the following	 response:h  < >This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: >rG >Each of the following recipients was rejected by a remote mail server. G >The reasons given by the server are included to help you determine whyo >each recipient was rejected.n >o6 >   Recipient: <openvms-manager-subscribe@openvms.org>I >   Reason:    openvms-manager-subscribe@openvms.org unknown user accounti      3 "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote in messageh8 news:4tHM9.49492$Fq3.2271253@twister.southeast.rr.com... Folks,  F The openvms-managers list is up and functioning.  Over 100 people have? signed up so far.  Only messages of a technical nature allowed.r  $ Check out the info page and sign-up.  3 http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=OVMS-Managersl  L BTW, everyone still appears to be bashful.  Although the list is just a weekJ old, only one message has been sent.  You guys need to have a drink or two: and loosen up a little!  :)  Let's get this thing rolling.   -- Kenneth Farmer <>< http://www.OpenVMS.org   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2002 06:29:10 -0800) From: marlinsmeadow@aol.com (David Moore)  Subject: Spiralog anyone?I= Message-ID: <fc2f4794.0212210629.33aec45f@posting.google.com>   
 Hello All,  M I would like to know if anyone still uses the Sprialog filesystem on OpenVMS?m   Cheers,b   David Mooreu  3 Web: http://members.aol.com/marlinsmeadow/index.htmx Email: marlinsmeadow@aol.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:24:32 +0100f From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: UTC time in DCL8 Message-ID: <4oe80vk15682ief7hrcn3pff87800vkdoo@4ax.com>  E One of the problems I encounter in DCL is that it is only possible tonD get the local time from F$TIME, and only in the shape of dd-mon-yyyy
 hh:mm:ss.tt .o  @ Of course I know it is possible to use F$CVTIME, but that is not@ enough. I would like to be able to extract UTC time for example,> without having to write my own calculations. It is possible toC calculate the UTC time, but the resulting syntax will be yyyy-mm-ddtD etc.. Since F$CVTIME is a one-way routine it is rather cumbersome to& get it back in the dd-mon-yyyy syntax.  E Other time syntaxes would be nice too, for instance the syntaxes thatg are in use with SMTP and NCL.   C To start with, maybe it is possible to extend the F$TIME routine tot F$TIME("UTC") ?   4 Maybe Hoff can give us his thoughts on this matter ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:23:44 -0800 " From: Koloth <koloth@telocity.com># Subject: Re: Vol Shadowing Question + Message-ID: <3E042510.5090008@telocity.com>   6 We have a disaster tolerant configuration using hsg80sI we opted for a system disk for each site and have a shadowed common disk.lG It took some fun to more the sys$errorlog, operator logs, UAF, startup e2 files. and other stuff over there.  if you are notD in a disaster tolerant config why are you not just have one commong  system disk and shadow it?   regardss Cass Witkowski         Dan Moore wrote:   >Greetings!u >s2 >    I would like a sanity check for our shadowingI >strategy/configuration. We have been using a starnd alone system for the F >last few years and now we are moving to a 2 node cluster connected byG >gig Ethernet Fiber. Both are Alpha Systems running OpenVMS 7.3-1. Eachj9 >Alpha contains one shadow set member for each data disk.5 >1G >   We are forced to use  a sperate system disk on each node because ofjE >the fiber connections. I would like any user to be able to log on tosD >either system and have the exact same access to the same data. ThisH >requires that the system common files be available to each system, even& >if the other system is not available. >tI >  One thought is to mount  the system disk of our primary system on each I >node as a shadowset member. Then point the other  Alpha at the shawdowediI >system disk of the primary system. This way, each Alpha will have a copyYH >of the system files (And the primary system will have a shadowed systemG >disk). We tested this and it seems to work well; however, I know there G >could be some down sides on this strategy depending upon what fails inn >what sequence.r > B >  Another thougth is to move these file to one of the data disks,H >therefore avoiding the issues that can occor with shadowed system disks >when things go wrong. >V$ >  Any advice or insight is welcome. >0 >Thanks, >H >Dan >  >h >C >cL >-----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==----------H >   http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!N >-----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- >  - >]   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:45:03 +1030 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>i Subject: WASD 8.1 Released, Message-ID: <3e043113_4@news.chariot.net.au>  $ A kit for WASD 8.1 has been released      http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/   G This contains a significant review of package security (prompted by an vI investigation by Jean-loup Gailly, of recent 'John the Ripper' notoriety e4 - but should not be dismissed lightly all the same).  I I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank all those during the year nH who have made constructive contributions to my occasional query in this D forum (and also to those who also contribute to the OT noise in the B group - every now and then when I'm at a loose end it fills in an C otherwise idle fifteen minutes).  All the best for the coming year.s  F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaide F   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2002 08:04:10 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)) Subject: Re: Webserver advice for VAX/VMSh< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0212210804.3a9a90f@posting.google.com>  _ "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message news:<asvhc5$v92or$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>...D> > "Hunter Goatley" <goathunter@goatley.com> schreef in bericht, > news:3defc799.32100478@news.process.com...L > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:33:15 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David >  Webb)
 > > wrote: > >lJ > > >I thought Purveyor when it was still being developed was a commercial
 >  product > > >not freeware. > >n > > Correct. > >79 > > >Can you even obtain Purveyor from Process any more ?A > > >hL > > It's available to Hobbyists for free, and we still sell licenses for it,	 >  thoughaL > > it is unsupported (and we still do sell some licenses each year, despite >  the > > unsupported status). > >i
 > > Hunter > Hunter > ? > could you give us a pointer where we can download Purveyor  ?e >  > Hans  D you can actually buy the purveyor code from process, although I wishB they would just release it and allow it to thrive since they don'tB want to market it ... I wonder if they are being paid off by hp toC keep it out of the public domain or else ucx and apache would never C be hardly used ... you can also if you own the code get support forrA it thru the following company link or I know of someone in the US.> who can do it ... here is some product info from a support co.  3 http://www.sss.co.nz/software/purveyor/purveyor.htm    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2002 08:24:38 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)) Subject: Re: Webserver advice for VAX/VMSi= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0212210824.4c67a62d@posting.google.com>h  r goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) wrote in message news:<3ff5fed3.0212131346.56fc0619@posting.google.com>...a > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message news:<asvhc5$v92or$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>...I
 > > Hunter > > A > > could you give us a pointer where we can download Purveyor  ?- > >-A > Sorry for the delay in replying.  You can Hobbyist licenses form> > MultiNet, TCPware, and Purveyor by filling out a form on our > web site:n > ! > http://www.process.com/openvms/d > G > Click on "Hobbyist" on the left.  Once your VMS PAK has been verifiedfH > as being a Hobbyist PAK, you'll receive your Process PAK(s) by e-mail,0 > along with download instructions for the kits. >  > Hunter > ------: > Hunter Goatley, Process Software, goathunter@goatley.com  B why not just release the purveyor code?  process is not supportingA it directly, so why not release it?  it is the best webserver for < tcpware hands down, and its release could only spur sales ofB tcpware ... why is process following the marketing strategy of decB by keeping great products out of the market which could spur salesB for other products (tcpware)?  support it or release it!  or is hp> paying off process to suppress purveyor so it can push ucx andB apache garbage ... another apache cert just appeared this week ...B purveyor just runs and runs like vms ... it is just like ucx, unix@ c based garbage ... tcpware and purveyor are made to run on vms,B which is why they are superior ... release the code or support it!   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:14:40 GMTr1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>tC Subject: Re: [very OT] domestic network between PC W98 and Mac OS X 2 Message-ID: <3E049336.92923959@firstdbasource.com>   Didier Morandi wrote:e > E > After a few browsing across the French newsgroups on Mac and W98, IlJ > still do not succeed to have my new domestic network access the InternetE > (gateway is PC now. The previous config with the Mac as the gateway.K > worked fine until my ADSL modem failed. The new one is a PC-only device).a >  > Config is: > E > PC : W98 2ed, ADSL modem is OLITEC USB, 192.168.0.1 (internal leg),lD > subnet is 255.255.255.0, DNS is 213.36.80.1 (Tiscali, my ISP), allJ > pictures from http://gilisa.free.fr/doswin/partint/index.htm are true on	 > the PC.a > H > iMac : OS X 10.2, 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, DNS 213.36.80.1, gateway > 192.168.0.1. > ( > Internet sharing is enabled on the PC. > 	 > Result:e > D > PC is ok with Internet access via ADSL, PC can see Mac and its WEBJ > server. Mac can see PC and its WEB server, but no access from the Mac to
 > outside. > 1 > Any idea anyone? It's for my Christmas gift :-)d > 	 > Thanks,a >  > D.  F There are a couple of "USB" routers that have a USB port for the modemF and 4-8 ethernet ports for the LAN.  The one that comes to mind is theG Draytek Vigor2200USB. Or contact your DSL provider and tell them to getjG you an ethernet modem not this USB crap...  It is good for printers andjB such, but as a transport for networking is woefully inadequite and doens't work in general.  G I am not real familiar with ICS, but there must be a piece missing frompF the ICS config. A google search for "w98 configure internet connection@ sharing " turned up: http://www.generation.net/~hleboeuf/ics.htm which points to:) http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=230151s   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163n   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.704 ************************