1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 22 Dec 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 705       Contents:1 RE: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...  Re: backup question  Re: Digital server 5000 ' Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement ' Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement 6 Re: Is it possible to add a cluster node w/o decnet???4 Re: Loss of Enet Performance on DS10 -> DS25 Upgrade! Re: Low-level format for MicroVax G Re: Machine checks not always hardware failures, was: Re: Machine Check G Re: Machine checks not always hardware failures, was: Re: Machine Check ! Re: Problems with Support-Website ! Re: SYSMAN running in a batch job   Re: VAXstation 4000 cd-rom bezel  Re: VAXstation 4000 cd-rom bezel Re: VM web ring & spam Re: VM web ring & spam Re: VM web ring & spam6 [very OT] domestic network between PC W98 and Mac OS X  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:08:31 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> : Subject: RE: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660C46@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   John,   4 <<< However, you are forgetting one important thing.D It is HP's stated intention to steer all *new* business to HP-UX.<<<   Nope.=20  @ That particular reference was with respect to Tru64 vs HP-UX "inD general" and in area's where there might be some overlap. It was notG intended to mean ALL new business would be directed toward HP-UX. Tru64 B UNIX is definitely being promoted and sold where it makes the most sense.  
 Reference:G http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/26sep02a.htm (MISSISSAUGA, ON.,  Sept. 26, 2002)   H "... To address those needs, HP -- working in tandem with Edmonton-basedH reseller partner Acrodex -- was selected to provide Syncrude with two HPC TruCluster systems, each with three HP AlphaServer ES40s running HP B Tru64 UNIX within a storage area network (SAN). The remaining four= servers are being deployed for backup and recovery support. "   B "...In all, HP is providing Syncrude with 10 HP AlphaServer ES40s,G running HP Tru64 UNIX, two HP StorageWorks EMA12000s and 45 HP ProLiant @ L530 servers. The total storage capacity of these systems is 7.2
 terabytes.  F The modular HP AlphaServer ES40 system delivers dependable support forD crucial, resource-intensive e-business and database applications. ItE also provides the high performance and dependability required for the B most demanding enterprise environments and is the ideal choice for@ rigorous e-business computing applications that demand mainframe3 performance in a smaller footprint and lower cost."    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)          -----Original Message-----+ From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20  Sent: December 17, 2002 8:48 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com : Subject: Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...      F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KQ501D2SDE9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... J > > What if VMS licensing was made FREE on older, less capable systems,=20G > > VAX and/or Alpha?  No hobbyist restrictions.  Regular production=20 H > > quality VMS licenses for free, but only on old hardware.  Would this   > > be worthwhile for anyone?  > D > Yes, for very, very many.  But not for HP.  That's why it won't=20	 > happen.  > H > For many, many real-world applications, new hardware is not essential.  D > Many folks run high-hit-rate WWW servers on VMS on a VAXstation=20J > 3100/38 or whatever.  (Think of the millions which have been spent by=20I > PHBs who think they need a "server" to run a WWW server.)  Many, but=20 E > not all VMS-based businesses (both current and those which would=20 H > spring up like mushrooms if such licenses were available) could run=20G > perfectly well on such older hardware.  This would severely impact=20 I > HP's sales of VMS licenses and perhaps of new hardware as well.  (If=20 H > one has to shell out a lot of money for licenses, might as well buy=20% > new hardware with support as well.)  > B > Sure, there are high-end businesses which need the latest and=20F > greatest. But what were they running on 10 years ago and will the=20' > typical startup business be that big?  > G > What HP needs to do (and I've repeated this suggestion many times,=20 I > alas with no positive response---Sue and Mark, are you listening AND=20 H > can you do something about it?) is to offer normal commercial licenses  I > at a reduced fee for NEW businesses.  Say, 5% of the annual profit. =20 H > If this fee is more than the normal price, the customer is free to pay   > the normal price.  > I > What would happen?  Established businesses would continue to pay, so=20 G > NO LOSS TO HP is involved, neither potential nor real.  MANY, MANY=20 H > folks who, for cost reasons, couldn't otherwise consider VMS for a NEW  G > business which might or might not get off the ground would go with=20 I > VMS. If the business fails, HP at worst have lost ABSOLUTELY NOTHING=20 I > and at best have made a small profit.  If the business takes off, it=20 = > will buy normal licenses AT THE NORMAL PRICE in the future.  > G > The point is, the world has changed from the old days when license=20 E > costs were negligible compared to other costs of a company, even=20 J > though those costs might have been much higher in the past.  Hardware=20H > was MUCH more expensive, and of course less powerful, so one needed=20G > more to do the same work.  This means more employees (probably the=20  > main cost of most B > companies) and more related costs such as electricity, rent etc. These H > days, especially with flat-rate internet connections via DSL availableB > for a negligible fee, one guy with a workstation can start up an onlineF > business, with essentially zero cost.  Sure, if it takes off he willE > have to expand, but not at the beginning.  If, for cost reasons, he F > can't go with VMS from the start, he will go with something else and! > probably not move to VMS later.  > F > This would mean that many more folks could collect real-world VMS=20? > experience, which can only be good for HP in the longer term.     A Good idea. Remove as many barriers to entry into VMS as possible.   0 However, you are forgetting one important thing.H It is HP's stated intention to steer all *new* business to HP-UX. That'sH why all the best ideas in the world about expanding market share for VMS will not be implemented.  E And as I read it based on HP's actions to-date, unless a new customer G comes to HP practicaly begging to buy a VMS system, HP will not suggest 4 that they buy one, much less actively sell them one.  * That's not being negative, just realistic.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2002 14:20:36 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: backup question= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0212211420.740f5384@posting.google.com>   d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEJAGEAA.tom@kednos.com>...7 > I like to keep a current backup copy online of all my > > disks, since I have a large spare drive using the following: >  > $ type copyback.com  > $ set verifyH > $ define/user back_disk node$dka300:['P1'.'P2'.]/translation=concealedM > $ backup/verify/record  disk$'P2':[*...] back_disk:[*...]/by_owner=original  > D > Now this doesn't copy the files at the [000000] level so I suppose > the command should be  > 1 > $ backup/verify/record  disk$'P2':[000000...] - * > 	back_disk:[000000...]/by_owner=original > 7 > where P1 and P2 are node and disk name, respectively.  >  > Is this correct?  F Non-image backups won't preserve SET FILE/ENTER links (aliases) and ifD any directories are aliased, you will be making multiple, physically. distinct copies of files in those directories.  B Suggestion: Get LDDRIVER from the Freeware CD. Divvy up your largeC disk into smaller logical disks using LDDRIVER. The program creates B container files and assigns them to logical disks, which look likeE real disks to VMS. The you can do image copy backups to the LD disks.  Should work.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:01:42 GMT  From: "H.Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>   Subject: Re: Digital server 5000- Message-ID: <WyLM9.18$M4.872@typhoon.bart.nl>   ; > If you pick Digital Server 5000 in the combo box with the ? > label Digital Server, then you is immediatetly redirected to: J >    http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/readmes/as1200.html > = > (at least if you use a recent MS Windows based web-browser)  >  > Arne >  >  Arne,   J thank you very much. My WXP system uses IE6 and nothing happened after theJ Digital Server 5000 was selected. It confirms my idea that this is a white box version of an Alpha 1200. J I put an RZ28M on the same bus as the CD drive. That's slow SCSI but oughtI to work. I just finished entering PAK's and the installation procedure is G now commencing. In fact as I type this it writes the message "Dka500 is G offline, Mount verification in progess" so perhaps this is not going to  work...    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:04:55 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>0 Subject: Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement/ Message-ID: <3E04F385.C7DAC001@vl.videotron.ca>    JF Mezei wrote: ) > Is that a big of a documented feature ?   2 Oops, meants to say "bug" or undocumented feature.   Also, this is for VAX-VMS 7.2     H If I just use "EXISTS", it is safe to MOUNT if F$GETDVI(device,"EXISTS")K yields "TRUE" ? Or must I add another IF statement to check if "AVL" once I  know it exists ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:35:19 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement' Message-ID: <3E0516D7.57C020BA@fsi.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > JF Mezei wrote: + > > Is that a big of a documented feature ?  > 4 > Oops, meants to say "bug" or undocumented feature. >  > Also, this is for VAX-VMS 7.2  > J > If I just use "EXISTS", it is safe to MOUNT if F$GETDVI(device,"EXISTS")M > yields "TRUE" ? Or must I add another IF statement to check if "AVL" once I  > know it exists ?  C Well, to answer your question directly, yes, you should first check G whether a device exists before attempting to check its characteristics.   , That said, I'd recommend a sequence like so:   $ IF	F$GETDVI( DEVC, "EXISTS" )  $ THEN) $	IF .NOT. F$GETDVI( DEVC, "MNT" ) THEN - ! $	MOUNT/SYSTEM &DEVC device_label  $ ENDIF   G ...and let it error out (ON ERROR could be useful here) if there's some  other problem.  @ Not sure what conditions would show a device as existing but notH available, but I suppose it can happen if the functionality is provided.  F That is, try not to confuse "available" with whether or not the device	 "exists".    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:55:27 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> ? Subject: Re: Is it possible to add a cluster node w/o decnet??? ' Message-ID: <3E0383BF.C91797C0@vcu.edu>   H hhmm.. what's involved with that?  we tried upgrading to Openingres, butD that was too big a hassle...  would the current license string work?) ours dates clear back to the ASK group!!!    jim    Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > M > In article <3E03439D.60C388B4@vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> writes: K > >we can't upgrade, since we're running an Ingres 6.4-03 database, the one H > >that's one little number below what is certified for running on vms 6 > >and beyond..  > * > Why don't you upgrade INGRES to 6.4/05 ?L > AFAIK/IIRC we had no problems (but we needed patches for 6.4/05) with this; > INGRES version and our application(s) on VMS up to V7.3 !  >  > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2002 18:00:30 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Re: Loss of Enet Performance on DS10 -> DS25 Upgrade = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0212211800.308b0423@posting.google.com>   l rrb35146@yahoo.com (Robbie Benton) wrote in message news:<dba64bc2.0212200723.62faa1d@posting.google.com>...( > So my questions to the group would be: > D > 1.  Is there additional configurations that I should have done for? > Port B, even though I am not trying to obtain gigabit speeds?  > D > 2.  Even though I am not trying to obtain Gigabit speeds, must the > Ethernet Switch be upgraded? > E > 3.  What analysis tools should I be using to determine the problem?  > ( > 4.  Anything else I did not think off? >  > Thanks for all of the help!  >  > Robbie  C auto negotiate is always a problem for alpha ... what kind of nic's @ are these?  de500/ba's work nice for both decnet/ip ... hard setE the nic's at both the switch and srm console to 100mb full duplex ... = and turn off spanning tree on the switch, esp. for decnet and > decservers ... otherwise it's a firmware issue on the ds25 ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:23:53 -0500 3 From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> * Subject: Re: Low-level format for MicroVax6 Message-ID: <Ew7N9.23364$C06.11034@news.bellsouth.net>  F Not sure, but couldn't you just resurrect an old 286 PC that has a MFML controller and use a Winchester utility?  I remember low-level formatting on! a Sperry 286 with a 5.25" floppy.   - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message / news:au1op8$3lagt$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de...  > A > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> schreef in bericht + > news:3E027EF4.9FB3068D@vl.videotron.ca...  > > Oliver Obi wrote:  > > > 8 > > > I need the Diag-Software on TK50-Tape to low-level9 > > > format my RD54 Harddisk. Where can i get this tape?  > > G > > You need to undergo special tribal rituals involving some scarring,  > walking onJ > > hot coals, special chants, live by yourself on an island in the middle of > the H > > pacific for 30 days before you are granted the right to ask for that tape > :-)  > > I > > Or you can send me an email and we could arrange something offline if  you  > haveK > > the ability to ftp a file and move it to your microvax to be written to  a  > TK50.  > > H > > Note that working on a TK50 may be considered a ritual that requires moreK > > endurance to pain than the rituals listed above and thus may exempt you  > from > > the above rituals :-)  > > @ > > you can contact me at  v a x i n a t i o n   at videotron.ca >  > <WG>J > Wouldn't it be easier for him to get a microVAX 2000? IIRC it can format an" > RD54 with its built-in firmware. >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2002 15:21:43 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)P Subject: Re: Machine checks not always hardware failures, was: Re: Machine Check3 Message-ID: <4dXKs79H4FQx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <au06dp$3bfbt$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>, "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> writes: > I > "Simon Clubley" <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote in 7 > message news:OXUtF2p6V58I@eisner.encompasserve.org... 8 >> In article <3E00E7FB.8060100@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi) > <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:  >> > JF, >> >+ >> > A machine check IS a hardware failure.  >>M >> I would like to address the myth that a machine check is always a hardware 1 >> failure. This is usually true, but not always.  >> > / > But it is *ALWAYS* a hardware DETECTED error!  >   L I agree. I just wanted to address the idea a machine check always means thatD a part of your hardware has just failed and point out that it can be software induced.    Interesting stories, BTW...    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       & "This is VMS. Viruses are irrelevant."   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:23:00 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>P Subject: Re: Machine checks not always hardware failures, was: Re: Machine Check/ Message-ID: <3E04E9B4.DAB0DAEA@vl.videotron.ca>    Simon Clubley wrote:N > I agree. I just wanted to address the idea a machine check always means thatF > a part of your hardware has just failed and point out that it can be > software induced.     K Had a long chat with my teenage Microvax 3100 today. He allowed me to check L his internals and they didn't seem to be dirty. There were a couple of smallN dust bunnies though. I explained to him how important it was to stay clean :-)  : So I don't suspect dirt as the cause of the machine check.  L However, as part of that long chat, the 3100 told me he felt inadequate withN only a 1gig drive and that all his friends, had much bigger drives. I tried toS tell him that size wasn't important, it is what you put on the drive that counts...    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 02 07:27:45 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) * Subject: Re: Problems with Support-Website) Message-ID: <GE+12oiHHEEg@elias.decus.ch>   ] In article <3DFEA47E.10305@tzora.co.il>, Mike Rechtman <rechtman-unspam-@tzora.co.il> writes:  > Paul Sture wrote:  >> In article <3dfdc1e7$0$25426$91cee783@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at>, "Ren Schelbaum" <rene.schelbaum@datakom.at> writes:  >>   >>>Hi! >>> M >>>Is it just me, who is unable to reach http://ftp.support.compaq.com or ist / >>>the site down, or has its location changed ?  >>>  >>   >>  N >> Today I could reach the V7.3 and V7.3-1 addresses that have been bookmarkedH >> for a long time but with no display apart from the headings. This wasN >> from both Alpha Netscape 3.03 (with Javascript disabled), and from NetscapeA >> 4.77 on NT (Javascript enabled, but filtered by our firewall).  >>  H >> It was frustrating, as I wanted to review some cover letters/readmes. > ; > Just tried it from home, and saw a README within seconds. A > (Unfortunately the fact that the text was black on a dark-blue  2 > background did'nt make it extremely readable...) >   B I could see it the next day. But the documentation pages are now aB mess. I was trying to find something to explain to a colleague andE found it was faster to reach for one of my old messages in this group  via Google.    --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:11:16 -0500 + From: "Chris Moore" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca> * Subject: Re: SYSMAN running in a batch job: Message-ID: <V13N9.6443$iQ3.1558962@news20.bellglobal.com>  8 (late, but I feel the need to deposit my own $0.02 here)  E SYSMAN doesn't do a DECnet login, but rather connects directly to the L SMISERVER process on the target node(s), so proxies are not applicable here.H We were never able to do this type of thing either, and were pointed (byG DEC/CPQ/HP) to the doc's mentioned here.  It would certainly be nice if 7 SMISERVER had some sort of user-definable proxy access.     = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3DEF3253.81AA45A8@vl.videotron.ca...  Rob Kersey wrote: F > The problem that I have is that I am using the following command andE > getting an error when SYSMAN trys to log into the remote nodes as I # > can't seem to specify a password.   I I think that the VMS engineers have really prevented it purposefully (you C don't want passwords to privileged accounts stored in a .com file).   E MC SYSMAN HELP USAGE   confirms that it cannot be used in batch if it  requires a password.    and    $define SYS$COMMAN SYS$INPUT( $MC SYSMAN SET ENV/NODE=VELO/USER=SYSTEM
 <password> DO SHOW TIME EXIT $EXIT   I Come up with a message stating that there is a need for a remote password  but - that SYS$COMMAND doesn't point to a terminal.   L The solution would be to have the same username on all nodes, at which pointC the SYSMAN command can be issued without /USER and this then works. 	 (assuming  a cluster).   H Not sure that /NODE can be used to target a decnet node (not in cluster)K without supplying user/password. On the other hand, with decnet proxies, it  should logically be possible.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:57:57 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000 cd-rom bezel 0 Message-ID: <00A18BD1.69DD96AA@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <3E02E6E4.3902AB73@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>, Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> writes: = >I recently purchased a field installable 32x SCSI CD-ROM for < >a VAXstation 4000 (RRD47-EN) from Compurex.  I was suprized< >that it didn't come with a front panel bezel to replace the? >blank one with the system.  MPRS says that spares for VAX 4000 ? >are no longer for sale.  Does anyone have a spare one of these - >I can have or know of a place I can buy one?   ) Time to break out the dremel tool, Vance.      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2002 15:57:38 -0800/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers) ) Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000 cd-rom bezel = Message-ID: <754a27c1.0212211557.5803a6b3@posting.google.com>   p Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> wrote in message news:<3E02E6E4.3902AB73@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>...> > I recently purchased a field installable 32x SCSI CD-ROM for= > a VAXstation 4000 (RRD47-EN) from Compurex.  I was suprized = > that it didn't come with a front panel bezel to replace the @ > blank one with the system.  MPRS says that spares for VAX 4000@ > are no longer for sale.  Does anyone have a spare one of these. > I can have or know of a place I can buy one? > 	 > Thanks.     E Assuming that you mean the bezel for a VAXstation 4000-60/90 machine, B the part number is 70-28099-02.  This is the bezel and a new front door.   D You might check to see if Field Service has one stashed away.  Quite> often Field Service will still have parts after they have been officially discontinued.  E If that pans out, let me know.  I have one left (new in the bag), but 5 I have to figure out whether or not I can release it.   D I also have a couple of blank bezels if anyone needs to go the other way.  
 Good luck!   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:43:38 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>  Subject: Re: VM web ring & spam 2 Message-ID: <3E0534BF.153225A1@firstdbasource.com>   Jeffrey Coffield wrote:  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Michiel Erens wrote: > >  > > C > >>The vms web ring hub is indexed by Google (search in Google for F > >>Mezei and OpenVMS). So any search spider could find your page this > >>way. > >  > >  > > L > > Wow, it didn't take time for the spammers to find my email address then. > G > I changed my email address on our web site to be a piece of html code J > written by JavaScript when the page is loaded. That seemed to eventually >   cut down on the spam.   * would you mind sharing that piece of code?   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 04:03:45 GMT 8 From: "Jerome H. Fine" <jhfineb9rv@b9rvnospamcompsys.to> Subject: Re: VM web ring & spam 4 Message-ID: <3E05397F.20A83495@b9rvnospamcompsys.to>   >Michael Austin wrote:  , > would you mind sharing that piece of code?   Jerome Fine replies:  < This set up requires no code at all, but I do have to change8 my identity whenever I post to a news group.  I am using2 Windows 98 SE/Netscape 4.78 for e-mail.  Sometimes; I forget to change my identity, so my actual e-mail address 9 is sent.  Overall, it has greatly reduced spam.  And when = it gets too annoying, I just choose 4 more random characters.   8 If everyone would do something similar and as simple, so; much of the spam would be impossible to deliver that within 8 a year, spam would almost disappear due to the fact that: harvesting e-mail addresses would no longer be useful.  In; fact, a coordinated effort and changing e-mails your e-mail ; address every 2 months (with a default available that can't ; easily be harvested) might eliminate spam rather quickly if  99% could not be delivered.   @ I realize that large corporations can't do this, but they should> also be able to identify spam e-mails by the number of e-mails! that come in that are so similar.    Sincerely yours,   Jerome Fine  --4 To obtain the original e-mail address, please remove5 the ten characters which immediately follow the 'at'. 8 If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail7 address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk 5 e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be 7 obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the . 'at' with the four digits of the current year.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 04:35:07 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>  Subject: Re: VM web ring & spam 2 Message-ID: <3E0540D0.447C852A@firstdbasource.com>   "Jerome H. Fine" wrote:  >  > >Michael Austin wrote: > . > > would you mind sharing that piece of code? >  > Jerome Fine replies: > > > This set up requires no code at all, but I do have to change: > my identity whenever I post to a news group.  I am using4 > Windows 98 SE/Netscape 4.78 for e-mail.  Sometimes   <Stuff Snipped> >   G At the risk of starting a war... unfortunately the majority of internet E users have no clue as to how to make those changes.  It was nice when D the only people who were on the internet understood the technology. F Then came the WWW and anyone with a computer can use it -- even thoughF they are quite ignorant as to the technical details as to how it works) and how to prevent such things as spam.     H I have significantly reduced the spam I get by disallowing a large chunkF of the APAC class A network addresses in my SMTP configuration as wellE as using 2 of the more well known RBL's. I still get one or two a day ' from Europe - mostly Italy and Russia.     --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:31:04 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>? Subject: [very OT] domestic network between PC W98 and Mac OS X & Message-ID: <3E037E08.5030007@Free.fr>  D After a few browsing across the French newsgroups on Mac and W98, I I still do not succeed to have my new domestic network access the Internet  D (gateway is PC now. The previous config with the Mac as the gateway I worked fine until my ADSL modem failed. The new one is a PC-only device).   
 Config is:  D PC : W98 2ed, ADSL modem is OLITEC USB, 192.168.0.1 (internal leg), C subnet is 255.255.255.0, DNS is 213.36.80.1 (Tiscali, my ISP), all  I pictures from http://gilisa.free.fr/doswin/partint/index.htm are true on   the PC.   G iMac : OS X 10.2, 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, DNS 213.36.80.1, gateway   192.168.0.1.  & Internet sharing is enabled on the PC.   Result:   C PC is ok with Internet access via ADSL, PC can see Mac and its WEB  I server. Mac can see PC and its WEB server, but no access from the Mac to   outside.  / Any idea anyone? It's for my Christmas gift :-)    Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.705 ************************