1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 23 Dec 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 707       Contents:1 Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... 1 Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... 1 Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... 1 Re: Anyone remember Shark terminal Palmer killed? 1 Re: Anyone remember Shark terminal Palmer killed? 4 Re: Demise of VMS (and most other operating systems)4 Re: Demise of VMS (and most other operating systems)" Disk locked during file creation ? Doc Page Improvements  drop modem line from decserver" Re: drop modem line from decserver" Re: drop modem line from decserver" Re: drop modem line from decserver" Re: drop modem line from decserver" Re: drop modem line from decserver' Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement ' Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement ' Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement ' Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement # F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement ' Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement & FTP: OPCOM message truncates node name5 How to interpret extended File IDs - e.g. (86051,3,0) 9 Re: How to interpret extended File IDs - e.g. (86051,3,0)  I want to buy a used DS10 VMS  Re: just a couple of things  Re: just a couple of things  Re: just a couple of things  Re: LCD monitor for VAX? Re: LCD monitor for VAX?G Re: Machine checks not always hardware failures, was: Re: Machine Check G Re: Machine checks not always hardware failures, was: Re: Machine Check - Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular? - Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?  Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS  Re: SMTP just stopped working?* Re: Using Legato as a tape-backup solution* Re: Using Legato as a tape-backup solution* Re: Using Legato as a tape-backup solution Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth   Re: VAXstation 4000 cd-rom bezelD Re: Your Multi-volume Tape Backups may be bad on all versions of	VMSD Re: Your Multi-volume Tape Backups may be bad on all versions of VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:03:17 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>: Subject: Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" .../ Message-ID: <3E05FE65.8E76AD65@vl.videotron.ca>    Chris Clifford wrote: M > Thinking about what he has to offer, he decides to make an offer to buy VMS J > (which is on Itanium by then) from HP, adds on a few bits and pieces andL > decides to market it as Microsoft's high-availability solution, whether it2 > be included within a Windows environment or not.  I No. Gates has put too much energy into his Windows stuff to admit that it N won't reach the desired quality/stability levels ne would like to have. BuyingK VMS to replace Windows at the high end would admit that *his* windows isn't I good enough. And it would then put Microsoft into "monopoly" status again 2 since MS would control even more of the industry.   M And no, i would not trust VMS under Microsoft since MS would insist on adding K all sorts of stuff that is poorly designed (such as the virus ridden  IIS).   G What is more likely to happen is the same as Alpha: MS buys VMS for its  engineers and patents.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:58:48 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>: Subject: Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...2 Message-ID: <Q5Sdnear75syzJujXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  4 "Howard S Shubs" <howard@shubs.net> wrote in message6 news:howard-1FE46C.11332122122002@enews.newsguy.com...   ...   H > Bill, could you make your post easier to read, please?  Using standardC > quoting would help.  As it is, I can't figure out who wrote what.   D I set off my own comments within paired *** *** delimiters.  There'sI something about Kerry's posts (and occasionally a post from someone else) K that Outhouse Express doesn't quote in responses as it does all others, and L I've never bothered to investigate whether there might be some way to get it to handle them normally.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:46:40 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> : Subject: Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...< Message-ID: <howard-D5DFBD.20464022122002@enews.newsguy.com>  2 In article <Q5Sdnear75syzJujXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>,,  "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  F > I set off my own comments within paired *** *** delimiters.  There'sK > something about Kerry's posts (and occasionally a post from someone else) M > that Outhouse Express doesn't quote in responses as it does all others, and N > I've never bothered to investigate whether there might be some way to get it > to handle them normally.  2 Oh, Outlook.  That explains it.  Nevermind...  :-/   --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:34:52 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) : Subject: Re: Anyone remember Shark terminal Palmer killed?& Message-ID: <H7Jqy4.2pH@world.std.com>  = In article <d7791aa1.0212210715.2e89551e@posting.google.com>, ) Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:   : > Does anyone have details on the shark dumb terminal that4 > Palmer killed because Gates asked him to (rumors)? > What all could it do?   = Mine runs NetBSD/arm32 like a champ!  I'm typing from it now!   J This is an absolutely wonderful little machine.  It's got an ATA interfaceF for an internal hard drive, some sort of storage card interface, whichD I've never identified.  It's got a 200MHz StrongARM SA110 processor,H that's so small and so cool that you have to really look hard to find itB on the main board.  It's got jacks for SVGA output, PS/2 mouse andK keyboard, it also has S-video and RCA video jacks for connecting to a TV.   F It has a PC game controller port, a 1/8" headphone jack, an 1/8" audioI line out jack, an 1/8" mic jack, oh and a 10Base-T ethernet jack.  It has G a PC style parallel printer port, and a 9-pin serial port which can bed F used as a serial console.  I believe some of the models came with SCSIC controllers, and I've seen one or two with integrated Zip drives.   J There's supposedly a bridge board of some sort for it that would allow youI to put in a single ISA expansion board, but I've never the device.  There 0 is room for an ISA card and a slot cover for it.  J The axing of the Digital Shark project, in my mind, is one of the all timeH great crimes against computing.  These boxes offer everything that you'dH ever need for basic home computing, and then some, in a tiny little formI factor that's mind bogglingly energy efficient.  (And damn cool looking).   % You can find out more about it here:  +   <http://www.research.compaq.com/SRC/iag/>    -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----J Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.  -- Pablo Picasso.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:51:13 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>: Subject: Re: Anyone remember Shark terminal Palmer killed?/ Message-ID: <3E068803.6597418A@vl.videotron.ca>    Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote:& > You can find out more about it here:- >   <http://www.research.compaq.com/SRC/iag/>   I Man, that would have been quite a beauty. X terminal with capacity to run ( stuff locally or execute mainframe apps.  L Someone could easily rescusitate this puppy, port Linux to it (linux is more@ "marketable" than NetBSD unfortunatly) and it would be a winner.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:59:13 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) = Subject: Re: Demise of VMS (and most other operating systems) & Message-ID: <H7Juup.BB1@world.std.com>  2 In article <XW1M9.44$m74.919595@news.cpqcorp.net>,( John Reagan  <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote:  H > There was a time when new hires from college, etc. HAD VMS experience? > H > When I graduated from Purdue, I had never heard of RSX, TOPS-10, VMS, J > BLISS, etc.  Guess what, I learned them.  If you are hiring people that ? > cannot learn things, you're in bigger trouble than you think.   G We had VAX/VMS running at Rose-Hulman on a 6000 during the early 1990s, D and then they'd upgraded the system to large Alpha multi-proc server? running OpenVMS by 1994 (?).  It was used in quite a few of the J programming classes there, we used VAX MACRO for our computer organisationI and assembly language programming courses, we used Ada on it for our data C structures courses, the MEs had to learn Fortran programming on it. I AFAIK, they still have some OpenVMS systems there, though I'm not sure if 0 there is student access to the machines anymore.  H Additionally, Indiana University's Bloomington campus (tens of thousandsH of students) used VAX 6000s as their primary student account machines upG until the mid 1990s, at least.  I believe other regional campuses of IU H did also; certainly IUPUI in Indianapolis did.  That's where I picked upI my first VAX 6000, when they finally decided to dump their VAXen in March  of 2001.   -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----J Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.  -- Pablo Picasso.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:40:26 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) = Subject: Re: Demise of VMS (and most other operating systems) & Message-ID: <H7JzJE.6sA@world.std.com>  0 In article <01C2A68A.F81CA640@sulfer.icius.com>,& Shane Smith  <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:  I > Better idea: Charge more maintenance for the non-VMS flavours and quote E > the difference in platform quality as the reason. Give examples and H > links. It's win-win. Either you make more money for a Windows sale, orJ > you get less grief and save someone from the Dark Side at the same time.  H You're assuming he has no competitors.  Sure, he can inflate his WindowsH and Unix quotes to make VMS look more attractive, but then his customersH (who've already stated they want a Windows or Unix solution) will wanderA off to find some other company who'll provide what they want at a A non-inflated price.  Not a very successful strategy for survival.   J Now, what he /could/ do is to give them the Windows or Unix version of theH product at an appropriately discounted up front purchase price, and thenF either charge them more for the support of it, or maybe offer them perI incident support charges.  It's still possible that his competition would J try to undercut him on the support charges for their products, but as longD as his support prices are fair, the other companies will only end up? hurting themselves by taking loses on the support they provide.    -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----J Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.  -- Pablo Picasso.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:09:24 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Disk locked during file creation ? / Message-ID: <3E06460C.370760A9@vl.videotron.ca>   M I am creating some 1.5 million block empty sequential files , and during that 9 time, I find that all other IO on the disk seems blocked.   N Are all disk IO operations actually locked during file creation ?  or was thisL a case of the MSCP process just not getting enough CPU while another process was busy creating the file ?  M Filling a 10 gig drive ona microvax II is taking longer than expected :-( :-(  ;-( :-(   " Also, while I have your attention:  L I have a DILOG SQ739 controller which makes a scsi drive appear as MSCP RA81
 drive to VMS.   L In the case of real SCSI drives attached directly to VMS, the recommendationM is to have automatic error correction/revectoring disabled and let VMS handle E this.  In the case of my setup, would this still apply, with the SCSI N controller translating the SCSI reports into MSCP reports, or should I let the drive fix its own blocks ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:11:14 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> Subject: Doc Page ImprovementsD Message-ID: <mErN9.1792$b97.170716@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  L Well after shooting my mouth off at first look, naturally things have gottenI better.  Either I was in early in the roll out cycle or overlooked links. K Anyway things look better and the back doc sets are now available.  I still J preferred the single page to browse from, but I can admit when I shoot offC my mouth prematurely.  Some people would say I get enough practice.     # Andy (delete ascii 95's for e-mail)   A "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:v3tM9.1468$_V5.108708@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...D > I provided followed the link to provide feedback on the giant leapL > backwards.  The VMS doc set has been crown jewel, especially being able toH > go back a release or two.  Gotta say, liked the old pages much better.? > Drilling down into different pages is nowhere near as useful.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:51:48 +1100 + From: "Barker, Joe L" <BarkerJL@az1.BP.COM> ' Subject: drop modem line from decserver L Message-ID: <BD58955D9312D311B45000805FFE42490BFC870B@azmelx2.mel.az.bp.com>   Hi all,   I Any suggestions of how to drop a modem line, when a user has attached via J set h/dtr to a decserver port disconnects but the modem still stays oh and the line stays active.   with thanks, Joe.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:19:53 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> + Subject: Re: drop modem line from decserver ' Message-ID: <3E0672C9.5272BD88@fsi.net>    "Barker, Joe L" wrote: > 	 > Hi all,  > K > Any suggestions of how to drop a modem line, when a user has attached via L > set h/dtr to a decserver port disconnects but the modem still stays oh and > the line stays active. >  > with thanks, Joe.   C To my knowledge, there's no way handle this, but a look through the D doc.'s and/or the on-line HELp on the server may prove enlightening.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:58:02 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> + Subject: Re: drop modem line from decserver 2 Message-ID: <3E067B8C.679EBC06@firstdbasource.com>   "Barker, Joe L" wrote: > 	 > Hi all,  > K > Any suggestions of how to drop a modem line, when a user has attached via L > set h/dtr to a decserver port disconnects but the modem still stays oh and > the line stays active. >  > with thanks, Joe.   ? login on the console port of the decserver and LOGOUT the port.    --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:08:44 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: drop modem line from decserver / Message-ID: <3E067006.B1BAAB00@vl.videotron.ca>   M > > Any suggestions of how to drop a modem line, when a user has attached via N > > set h/dtr to a decserver port disconnects but the modem still stays oh and > > the line stays active.  K The line/port must be configured to be the equivalent of /MODEM and /DIALUP  and /HANGUP.  K When the VMS session is ended, VMS will send the LAT equivalent of dropping M DTR and the decserver will then momentarily drop the DTR signal to the MODEM.   M The modem must also be configured to hangup and reset when DTR is dropped. As M well, the modem must be configured to drop DSR when carrier is lost, and this C will get back to VMS to advise that the line has been disconnected.   G It has not been uncommon for site to forget to properly configure their N modems. The most blatant mistake I saw was DATAPAC (the public X.25 service inN canada) when they implemented 2400 baud modems, if the previous user connectedK to that modem just hung up without logging off , you'd get right into their I session because the datapac modem wouldn't notify the x.25 network of the 3 disconnection, so the session would remain active.    M A secretary once got into a stock trading program on an IBM mainframe with VT  emulation front-end.  E The DATAPAC support folks refused to acknowledge this, stating it was M impossible, so the problem continued until they upgraded their modems to 9600  baud in montral.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:59:01 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> + Subject: Re: drop modem line from decserver ' Message-ID: <3E068A05.DEFE4FB1@fsi.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  > O > > > Any suggestions of how to drop a modem line, when a user has attached via P > > > set h/dtr to a decserver port disconnects but the modem still stays oh and > > > the line stays active. > M > The line/port must be configured to be the equivalent of /MODEM and /DIALUP  > and /HANGUP. > M > When the VMS session is ended, VMS will send the LAT equivalent of dropping O > DTR and the decserver will then momentarily drop the DTR signal to the MODEM.  > O > The modem must also be configured to hangup and reset when DTR is dropped. As O > well, the modem must be configured to drop DSR when carrier is lost, and this E > will get back to VMS to advise that the line has been disconnected.   E I believe the server port must likewise be set DIALUP ENABLED, though C I'm not sure how that is handled when accessed remotely (from VMS).    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:00:59 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> + Subject: Re: drop modem line from decserver & Message-ID: <3E068A7B.E5DEA00@fsi.net>   Michael Austin wrote:  >  > "Barker, Joe L" wrote: > >  > > Hi all,  > > M > > Any suggestions of how to drop a modem line, when a user has attached via N > > set h/dtr to a decserver port disconnects but the modem still stays oh and > > the line stays active. > >  > > with thanks, Joe.  > A > login on the console port of the decserver and LOGOUT the port.   D I believe he's looking for something automated. That is, in case theG user CTRL+\ out of SET HOST/DTE, he wants the server to drop DTR (or do 2 something else) so the modem will go back on-hook.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:25:56 -0500 ! From: kuff@comcast.net (Cable NJ) 0 Subject: Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statementO Message-ID: <F273543F72A9B238.C52393F45801A539.9605ADA42793B8E4@lp.airnews.net>   H A device can exist if it was published by an mscp controller, that is noH longer the case, and the system has not yet been rebooted... happens all# the time with HSG80 controllers....     ; In article <3E0516D7.57C020BA@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  > >  > > JF Mezei wrote: - > > > Is that a big of a documented feature ?  > > 6 > > Oops, meants to say "bug" or undocumented feature. > > ! > > Also, this is for VAX-VMS 7.2  > > L > > If I just use "EXISTS", it is safe to MOUNT if F$GETDVI(device,"EXISTS")O > > yields "TRUE" ? Or must I add another IF statement to check if "AVL" once I  > > know it exists ? > E > Well, to answer your question directly, yes, you should first check I > whether a device exists before attempting to check its characteristics.  > . > That said, I'd recommend a sequence like so: > $ > $ IF    F$GETDVI( DEVC, "EXISTS" ) > $ THEN1 > $       IF .NOT. F$GETDVI( DEVC, "MNT" ) THEN - ) > $       MOUNT/SYSTEM &DEVC device_label 	 > $ ENDIF  > I > ...and let it error out (ON ERROR could be useful here) if there's some  > other problem. > B > Not sure what conditions would show a device as existing but notJ > available, but I suppose it can happen if the functionality is provided. > H > That is, try not to confuse "available" with whether or not the device > "exists".  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:46:41 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> 0 Subject: Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement/ Message-ID: <v0cn7h3fg3tq70@corp.supernews.com>   1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: 5 : Could someone explain to me why the following code: - : $IF F$GETDVI("$1$DUA0:","AVL") .EQS. "TRUE"  : $THEN * : $	MOUNT/CLUSTER $1$DUA0: MARINONI $DISK1 : $ELSE 9 : $	REQUEST "*** Disk DUA0 is not available, not mounted"  : $ENDIFP : would fail big time when DUA0 isn't AVL ???? It displays the error "NOSUCHDEV"C : and then proceeds to tell me I have invalid IF nesting structure.   : It fails big time because F$GETDVI causes an error instead of returning "FALSE."     You can handle it with ON ERROR.  = Or you can check first to make sure it exists and then, if it  does, check availablity.                @ : Changing "AVL" to "EXISTS" makes the IF/ELSE work as expected.  ) : Is that a big of a documented feature ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:58:54 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement' Message-ID: <3E066DDE.B36192A1@fsi.net>    Cable NJ wrote:  > J > A device can exist if it was published by an mscp controller, that is noJ > longer the case, and the system has not yet been rebooted... happens all% > the time with HSG80 controllers....   C Likewise with HSJs. You can DISMOUNT from VMS then go to he HSJ and  delete the unit.  H However, in my experience, those devices still show as "available", evenC though attempting to MOUNT them returns "media is offline", or some - similar error depending on software versions.   G Where I think "available" comes in are situations having to do with SET @ DEVICE/[NO]AVAILABLE, and software that exploits this mechanism.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:13:26 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>0 Subject: Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement/ Message-ID: <3E067121.C8896BEE@vl.videotron.ca>    Z wrote:< > It fails big time because F$GETDVI causes an error instead > of returning "FALSE."   N But why does F$GETDVI cause an error instead of returning false ? Seems like aN big bug to me, especially when "EXISTS" does function properly and won't cause$ an error if the drive doesn't exist.  N I guess I can understand the issyue of what do yo return when someone requestsN the number of free blocks on a device that is not known.  But shouldn't one be. able to test for AVL and get a true or false ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:27:59 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>, Subject: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement/ Message-ID: <3E04EADF.AC442E1C@vl.videotron.ca>   3 Could someone explain to me why the following code:   + $IF F$GETDVI("$1$DUA0:","AVL") .EQS. "TRUE"  $THEN ( $	MOUNT/CLUSTER $1$DUA0: MARINONI $DISK1 $ELSE 7 $	REQUEST "*** Disk DUA0 is not available, not mounted"  $ENDIF  N would fail big time when DUA0 isn't AVL ???? It displays the error "NOSUCHDEV"A and then proceeds to tell me I have invalid IF nesting structure.   > Changing "AVL" to "EXISTS" makes the IF/ELSE work as expected.  ' Is that a big of a documented feature ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:55:37 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement' Message-ID: <3E068939.25BCE6E7@fsi.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  > 
 > Z wrote:> > > It fails big time because F$GETDVI causes an error instead > > of returning "FALSE."  > C > But why does F$GETDVI cause an error instead of returning false ?   F Because you're confusing "exists" with "available". A device can existD but not be available - see HELP SET DEVICE /AVAILABLE. A device thatG does not exist cannot be examined to see whether or not it's available.   8 Remember: a device must exist before you can examine its characteristics.   > Seems like aP > big bug to me, especially when "EXISTS" does function properly and won't cause& > an error if the drive doesn't exist.  . Documented / expected behavior, in both cases.  P > I guess I can understand the issyue of what do yo return when someone requestsP > the number of free blocks on a device that is not known.  But shouldn't one be0 > able to test for AVL and get a true or false ?  ( Is your personal kramblefratz available?  > How can you know that until you know whether or not you have a
 kramblefratz?    Quibbledunk? Same issue.  5 ...or would also expect SHOW DEVICE QBP0: to display:    $ SHOW DEVICE QBP0:/FULL  @ Unknown device nodename$QBP0:, device type unknown, offline, not1 mounted, not shareable, not available to cluster,   G How can you examine a DCB that not exist? How can a non-existant device  have a DCB?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:51:15 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: FTP: OPCOM message truncates node name / Message-ID: <3E064FD7.7BF4329E@vl.videotron.ca>   J Someone tries a bad username for an inbound FTP session. The opcom message; tried to reverse lookup the IP address to get a host name.    L However, on OPA0, the message that is displayed is truncated at 16 bytes for9 the node name, which, for internet is not quite adequate.   P Is this an FTP limitation, an OPCOM limitation or what ? Any plans to fix this ?  N Also, the remote node ID is shown as an integer. Any ways to change that to an dotted decimal notation ?    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Dec 02 01:29:58 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) > Subject: How to interpret extended File IDs - e.g. (86051,3,0)) Message-ID: <akgVE9fgNQ+V@elias.decus.ch>   @ I have a utility which scans disks to check for file protection.> It just broke, when it encountered a file with ID (86051,3,0).  ; The program (written in 1993) assumes that the File ID is a  3 word array.   ? From STARLET.REQ (Alpha V7.3-1), the following shows the latest C layout, with the last byte of the 3 word array being used to extend  the first word.   2 literal FIB$S_FID = 6;                  !  FILE ID6 macro FIB$W_FID_NUM = 4,0,16,0 %;       !  FILE NUMBER? macro FIB$W_FID_SEQ = 6,0,16,0 %;       !  FILE SEQUENCE NUMBER A macro FIB$W_FID_RVN = 8,0,16,0 %;       !  RELATIVE VOLUME NUMBER 9 macro FIB$B_FID_RVN = 8,0,8,0 %;        !  SHORT FORM RVN ? macro FIB$B_FID_NMX = 9,0,8,0 %;        !  EXTENDED FILE NUMBER K macro FIB$W_FID_DIRNUM = 4,0,16,0 %;    !       Directory number of File-Id H macro FIB$L_FID_RECNUM = 6,0,32,0 %;    !       Record number of File-ID macro FIB$W_DID = 10,0,0,0 %;   F It appears that the "extended file number" field was introduced around the era of VMS  V7.1.   C The question is how to interpret that. Is there some flag somewhere ? which says that the extended file number is in use? Last week's C reorganization of the online VMS documentation has definitely _NOT_ ? helped here. (Time to put the CDs online, and whilst I'm at it, # put a search engine to work on it.)   @ If I had the VMS sources, I'd be looking to see how the likes of3 DIRECTORY handle it, but I don't have the sources.    H This is an Ada program BTW, so I have the additional potential challenge1 of getting a 24 bit integer past the compiler :-)    --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2002 19:11:03 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) B Subject: Re: How to interpret extended File IDs - e.g. (86051,3,0)3 Message-ID: <BHeoDRsPegJj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <akgVE9fgNQ+V@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: B > I have a utility which scans disks to check for file protection.@ > It just broke, when it encountered a file with ID (86051,3,0).  > I suppose you won't use this as an excuse to buy a license for% LJK/Security to do the same thing :-)   C > macro FIB$W_FID_RVN = 8,0,16,0 %;       !  RELATIVE VOLUME NUMBER ; > macro FIB$B_FID_RVN = 8,0,8,0 %;        !  SHORT FORM RVN A > macro FIB$B_FID_NMX = 9,0,8,0 %;        !  EXTENDED FILE NUMBER   E > The question is how to interpret that. Is there some flag somewhere 5 > which says that the extended file number is in use?   B I believe FIB$B_FID_NMX is always used for ODS-2/5 disks, and that8 an ODS-2/5 volume set cannot have more than 255 members.  E I believe the question is irrelevant for ODS-1 disks because I do not  think they have volume sets.  C Certainly FIB$W_FID_RVN must be used for ISO-9660 volumes, since an B ISO-9660 volume set can have up to 65535 members (although perhaps VMS only supports up to 32767).   5 It probably does not matter for ANSI magtape volumes.   J > This is an Ada program BTW, so I have the additional potential challenge3 > of getting a 24 bit integer past the compiler :-)   J When dealing with ODS disks, LJK/Security unconditionally uses expressions of the form:  : 	( UNSIGNED_LONGWORD ( FIB.FID.FID_RVN.FID_NMX ) * 65536 ), 	    + UNSIGNED_LONGWORD ( FIB.FID.FID_NUM )   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2002 11:41:39 -0800" From: oshades@yahoo.com (O'Shades)& Subject: I want to buy a used DS10 VMS= Message-ID: <3f86ed68.0212221141.26c5e539@posting.google.com>   ? Ideally, I'm looking for a used DS10 running VMS with a Cluster : License.  If it's running Codasyl DBMS that's even better.   Thanks,    Tom    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Dec 02 00:56:52 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) $ Subject: Re: just a couple of things) Message-ID: <l+ihQlkUONEO@elias.decus.ch>   n In article <SsJM9.26706$opk.10545@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:    <snip>   > E > Probably. The whole HP site is PC-centric w.r.t. viewing web pages.  >   / But I can't even read it sensibly from Windows.    --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2002 17:22:32 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: just a couple of things3 Message-ID: <77Zvz5slS94D@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <l+ihQlkUONEO@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: p > In article <SsJM9.26706$opk.10545@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >    > <snip> >  >>  F >> Probably. The whole HP site is PC-centric w.r.t. viewing web pages. >>   > 1 > But I can't even read it sensibly from Windows.     That's what makes it PC-centric.   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Dec 02 01:50:19 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) $ Subject: Re: just a couple of things) Message-ID: <nQIxD$fXfvTb@elias.decus.ch>   c In article <77Zvz5slS94D@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: W > In article <l+ihQlkUONEO@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: q >> In article <SsJM9.26706$opk.10545@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >>  	 >> <snip>  >>   >>> G >>> Probably. The whole HP site is PC-centric w.r.t. viewing web pages.  >>>  >>  2 >> But I can't even read it sensibly from Windows. > " > That's what makes it PC-centric.  A Then here's a gem. I was using the PC a couple of days ago, using B Acrobat Reader to read the I/O Users Guide. Typing $ in the searchE box acted as ^H would at the VMS command line (Swiss German keyboard,  if that makes a difference).  F I could not search for FAB$whatever. Well, that puts paid to searching8 through much of the rest of the VMS documentation too...   --  " Paul Sture     Oh joy, I'm at home+ Switzerland    Oh boy, a  Windows free zone    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:56:07 -0500 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>! Subject: Re: LCD monitor for VAX? - Message-ID: <3E05EEA7.4215.4E3EA19@localhost>   / On 20 Dec 2002 at 22:38, GWDVMS::MOELLER wrote: A > Did anyone test LCD monitors for "sync on green" compatibility?   E No, but I have a friend who is using a LCD monitor on his VAXstation   4000/90.  D It's an ugly installation -- he has a 3W3 cable (VAX to BNC), 3 BNC A barrel connectors, and a BNC to 15-pin VGA cable (some other DEC a part).  But it works...   
 --Stan Quaylen Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147s= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comp   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:11:34 GMTt/ From: "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com>m! Subject: Re: LCD monitor for VAX?mA Message-ID: <afWM9.3205$2E7.108991683@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>m   "GWDVMS::MOELLER" wrote:< > it's about time for my (office) VAX to find a LCD monitor,5 > as it's become fashionable all around the place ... 8 > (traditional connection is via 3 (RGB) BNC connectors, > with "sync on green").  I I think a number of lcd monitors do SOG, check their specs.  Probably you J either want to find a converter cable to allow the VAX to connect to a VGAI device in which case you have lots of choices.  Otherwise there are a few3J LCDs still around that have 5 BNCs for analog video, NEC has a current 21"I that has this, otherwise there are more older models with BNC interfaces.?   James    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:44:20 -0000 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>P Subject: Re: Machine checks not always hardware failures, was: Re: Machine Check5 Message-ID: <au5mti$4ibm5$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>r  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagen) news:3E04E9B4.DAB0DAEA@vl.videotron.ca...i > Simon Clubley wrote:K > > I agree. I just wanted to address the idea a machine check always means. thatH > > a part of your hardware has just failed and point out that it can be > > software induced.n >l >rG > Had a long chat with my teenage Microvax 3100 today. He allowed me ton checkSH > his internals and they didn't seem to be dirty. There were a couple of smalleL > dust bunnies though. I explained to him how important it was to stay clean :-)> >u< > So I don't suspect dirt as the cause of the machine check. >-I > However, as part of that long chat, the 3100 told me he felt inadequatei withG > only a 1gig drive and that all his friends, had much bigger drives. Ih tried toK > tell him that size wasn't important, it is what you put on the drive that 	 counts...s  J Please remind your teenage Mvax3100 that the firmware in some of the olderL models cannot access lbn's above 1Gb, so if you treat him to a bigger systemJ disk it is possible to put critical boot files in places he cannot access. :-)e       JT:u     --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 17/12/2002n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:30:12 -0400r0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>P Subject: Re: Machine checks not always hardware failures, was: Re: Machine Check/ Message-ID: <3E066702.9C4E1488@vl.videotron.ca>M   John Travell wrote:nL > Please remind your teenage Mvax3100 that the firmware in some of the olderN > models cannot access lbn's above 1Gb, so if you treat him to a bigger systemL > disk it is possible to put critical boot files in places he cannot access. > :-)     K No, I don't want to tell him that his genes were purposefully restricted by2O Grand Pa Olsen... It would demoralize him and remove hope for future growth :-)o  K It is interesting that in the FAQ, it is specifically written that all 3100 M workstations are so restricted with no hope of getting a rom upgrade and thateJ it is only microvax 3100s which are upgradable. Why is that ? Wouldn't the ROMs be the same ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:19:33 GMT'- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)m6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?& Message-ID: <H7JKoM.EvA@world.std.com>  . In article <3df63b1c$1_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>,4 Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:B > JF Mezei wrote in message <3DF4EB57.37E9F9F3@vl.videotron.ca>...  I > > And *IF* Hammer takes off, then IA64 will truly be relegated to HP-UXoF > > Tandem and VMS, assuming Carly isn't kicked out and they decide to. > > stop wasting efforts on a losing platform. > M > It's also twice as likely that AMD will go chapter 11 by next summer givinglL > birth to a stillborn Hammer.  They should have called it "Hulk" - a x86 on( > steroids - but still, it's just a x86.'              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   E Hey, isn't that the attitude that got everyone into this mess in the i first place?  J I'd have thought that everyone would've long since learned the lesson thatI it's not the technically superior solutions that win.  Having looked over.B the architecture manuals for the AMD Hammer, it's not so bad. It'sG certainly a vast improvement over IA32--for what that comment is worth.<D But lets face it, both chips are pretty nasty in comparison to theirG contemporaries.  The X86-64 may be a dog in a dress, but the IA64 is a t pig in a dress.a  F I think the X86-64 is the more intelligent approach of the two, but itE does like like AMD is on its last legs.  Once the Hammer drops, as ithJ were, AMD had better hit Intel square between the eyes.  They're not going to get a chance to reload.   -brian.s -- eF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----J Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.  -- Pablo Picasso.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:19:21 GMTS- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) 6 Subject: Re: OT: Whoa! Is Sun aiming at VMS's jugular?& Message-ID: <H7JnG9.1Ks@world.std.com>  5 In article <atvddc$2gdtj$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>,n) Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:s? > In article <d7791aa1.0212200639.1beb6dfc@posting.google.com>, - > 	bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:t  B > >                          and they use it everyday on their fab< > > line to make their chips ... intelligent answers please! > D > I could be wrong, but I didn't think the fabs changed to alpha.  I+ > thought they were mostly still using VAX.r  A I'm not sure if they still are.  I picked up some lovely VAX 6000tC rackmount systems not too long ago.  They were sold to me by a usedaB equipment reseller in Phoenix, AZ.  They're equipped with multipleC ethernet controllers and FDDI modules; they still have their Intel r: asset tags.  Apparently he has quite a few of the systems.   -brian.  -- aF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----J Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.  -- Pablo Picasso.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2002 20:24:04 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.134848.killspam.00ac (Wayne Sewell) ( Subject: Re: Porting from Sun to OpenVMS. Message-ID: <Ku3oOgIU3mUM@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  q In article <edrUDs+qJrOH@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:aU > In article <uvkqdafc85s30b@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes:h >> a@ >> Does even the most dyed-in-the-wool VMS supporter here REALLY? >> think that VSM will be around in 2106, when the C RTL time()a
 >> overflows?  > J >    All us died in the wool VMS supporters are convinced that VMS will beG >    around in 9999 when the VMS time formwatting routines get updated.- >   7 And billy will still be trying to get his crap to work.d   -- .O ===============================================================================iM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx4: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)rO ===============================================================================SP Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2002 11:05:16 -0800+ From: victoriano@uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)u' Subject: Re: SMTP just stopped working?p< Message-ID: <c733793.0212221105.39a5df25@posting.google.com>  g peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<r8qM9.7270$Sy3.91181@news.chello.at>...rk > In article <ats1a3$eui$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:sb > >"Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.hp.nospam> wrote in message news:atr6mp$fdi$1@web1.cup.hp.com...s > >> In article <at8f98$lnq$1@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>, "Steven Thompson" <steven@omga.biz> writes:i > >>P > >> :My Server has been handling mail happily for some months since the upgrade! > >> :to VMX 7.3-1 and tcpip 5.3. * > >> :I'm now not getting any mail at all. > >>P > >>   Do you already have the VMS731_SYS V2.0 ECO kit installed on this system? > > * > >Is that the solution, or the problem ?? >  > The (possible) problemA Indeed it is. We have removed the f.*g ECO following instructionsoB provided inside the ECO readme, and we are moving mail like champs again. Thanks for the thread.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:08:16 GMT01 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>'3 Subject: Re: Using Legato as a tape-backup solutiono2 Message-ID: <3E067DF2.1188CC39@firstdbasource.com>   Michael Austin wrote:2 >  <snip>    f Does No response = not used<$ or just not interested in the topic? -- C Regards,   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2002 20:35:57 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n3 Subject: Re: Using Legato as a tape-backup solution 3 Message-ID: <ylA4VrqmKxQ3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <3E067DF2.1188CC39@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > Michael Austin wrote:q >>   > <snip> >  >  r > Does No response = not usedo& > or just not interested in the topic?  D The answer to that obviously differs from one individual to another.@ But comp.os.vms does not have many people experienced at keeping! silent when they have an opinion.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:04:02 -0600t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 3 Subject: Re: Using Legato as a tape-backup solution ' Message-ID: <3E068B32.E03F9322@fsi.net>r   Michael Austin wrote:s >  > Michael Austin wrote:i > >p > <snip> >  >  > Does No response = not usedt& > or just not interested in the topic?  G Well, VMS and the various products that run on it being low/no exposuretE due to lack of advertising, I'm guessing that the group's audience is A not sufficiently broad as to include a user willing to speak out.~   -- - David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/1   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:16:37 -0600D1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>0& Subject: Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth' Message-ID: <3E067205.A431E06C@fsi.net>q   vax6k Team wrote:u >  > Dear Newsgroup,d > P > some of you might already know vax6k.openecs.org, a freely accessible VAX 6000P > system running the OpenVMS 7.3 operating system. Those of you who tried to useQ > this system over the last few months noticed that it is unavailable. The reason0O > is easy to explain: no money. Operating a system like that costs about EUR100lN > per month. Including the cost for 18.5kWh electricity a day and the internet
 > connection.p  E Wow! Well, I would recommend considering shopping around for MicroVAXhC 3100s, say model 98 or so and consign the VAX 6000s to museum piecerE status. uVAX 31Ks support SCSI, but not SCSI clustering. So, you'd be D looking at LAVc and MSCP serving. That would DRASTICALLY reduce your' electrical energy expenses right there.   G Beyond that, unless you've sworn a blood-oath to keep VAX-only alive in-F this way, I'd shop around for used Alpha 2100s, 4100s, used CIPCAs and/ other CI gear. Alphas are a LOT cheaper to run.r  E In either case, RZ28s or better are bigger than RA90s, eat a LOT less." power and put out a LOT less heat.   For what that may be worth...n  G > There are about 50 registered users on the vax6k.openecs.org system. r  C Perhaps a monthly subscription to cover costs would be appropriate.    -- l David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systemsg http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:53:44 -0600m2 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>) Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000 cd-rom bezelo/ Message-ID: <v0cgk5qb9t7340@corp.supernews.com>   @ "Vance Haemmerle" <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> wrote in message/ news:3E02E6E4.3902AB73@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US... > > I recently purchased a field installable 32x SCSI CD-ROM for= > a VAXstation 4000 (RRD47-EN) from Compurex.  I was suprizede= > that it didn't come with a front panel bezel to replace theo@ > blank one with the system.  MPRS says that spares for VAX 4000@ > are no longer for sale.  Does anyone have a spare one of these. > I can have or know of a place I can buy one? >e	 > Thanks.> >  > -- > Vance Haemmerlen  J I had the same problem on one system, but I solved it by purchasing a usedE 5-1/4" SCSI I drive box on eBay for about $5.00 US + shipping. I haveaK several SCSI cables to hook up with so it wasn't a problem. This works welluK unless you move the system very often - if you do it is a pain in the neck.n  J As I acquired other systems I used this external CDRom to load OpenVMS (onJ all of the VAXes) on them. The Alpha's that I have (except for the Multia) all came with CDRoms drives.   Stuart ssj152 AT charter DOT nete   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2002 16:17:49 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.134848.killspam.00ac (Wayne Sewell)mM Subject: Re: Your Multi-volume Tape Backups may be bad on all versions of	VMS . Message-ID: <c1O+QBuvFLPp@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  ` In article <BA2315C5.24B7%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:J > On 12/15/02 6:44 PM, in article $qFKUYi5A4PV@tachxxsoftxxconsult, "Wayne; > Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.134848.killspam.00ac> wrote:i > B >> In article <BA21D9DA.2470%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron# >> <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:8 >> E >> f >>> K >>> Known third party software products that use MME are Software Partners' I >>> TapeSys, and MTI's TAPEControl. Some of Compaq/HP's integrated backupaM >>> solutions also use MME. Contact the support for your software product fora >>> absolute determination.e >>>  >>   >> eN >> Really?  I did not know that tapesys uses mme.  Since I've been the primaryJ >> tapesys developer since sometime in 1996 I probably *should* know this. >> - >> a > Wayne, > L > I humbly beg your forgiveness, and I retract my statement the Tapesys usesM > MME as I am 100% incorrect in this matter. I based my statement on the wordeE > of a user of Tapesys who said that Tapesys does provide support forsN > multi-volume backup replication, and based on that I concluded that it wouldL > use MME just as Compaq/HP's backup services and MTI's TapeControl both do. >  > Please accept my apologies.E > Jeff Cameron >   J Sure, no harm done.  Sorry my post was kind of snotty.  I guess I was just+ stunned when this came out of nowhere.  :-)o  O As some may have noticed (and others rejoiced), I haven't been in the newsgroupoL much for a while, but I modified the news system to send me mail if articlesJ contain keywords such as my name, tachysoft, tapesys, thruway, or software: partners.  When that happens, I come back in a hurry.  :-)     -- rO ===============================================================================sM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxb: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== P Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2002 16:38:23 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.134848.killspam.00ac (Wayne Sewell)oM Subject: Re: Your Multi-volume Tape Backups may be bad on all versions of VMSd. Message-ID: <HtkvHRVvuMoc@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  j In article <ycdJgddbZRH6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, cornelius@encompasserve.org (George Cornelius) writes:   [stuff deleted]   N > We use Compaq's (or is it CA's?) SLS product, based on an earlier version ofM > Tapesys, and don't seem to be having problems with restores, other than the R > fact that manual restores - using BACKUP directly instead of going through SLS -O > typically require some means other than BACKUP itself for signalling the tapel > robotics to shift reels. > N > Are we safe in assuming that sites like ours which have SLS installed and noL > other layered product backup solution, e.g., ABS, are not affected by this
 > problem?    L I would say so.  If even current tapesys doesn't use mme, there's no way the7 extremely old version of it that became sls would have.D  O Unless mme was added to sls after the snapshot.  Possible, I suppose, but I geth7 the impression that sls hasn't changed much since then.l    H tapesys, on the other hand, has changed radically since those days.  ForJ instance, the history system has been totally rewritten so that it can nowN handle ODS-5 directories and file names.  It will accept 300 directory levels,0 which should be sufficient for most people.  :-)  L Also, tcp/ip and icc can now be used as transports for rq/db communications.  N A GUI interface to replace and/or supplement the current command line and menuL interfaces is in development.  It is basically implemented as a java programE you run on a pc or whatever to connect back to tapesys on the server.m       --  O ===============================================================================oM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)aO =============================================================================== P Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.707 ************************