0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 02 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 63      Contents:& Re: "C" written os's spell "disaster"! Re: Carly's O/S Commitment Re: curses on OpenVMS  Re: curses on OpenVMS  Re: DCPS and Ricoh Aficio 1035 Re: DCPS and Ricoh Aficio 1035$ Re: Decamds and Availability manager ES40 special  USD7895 in CabG Re: EV7 systems (was Comparitive reliability figures as used by Compaq) G Re: EV7 systems (was Comparitive reliability figures as used by Compaq)  FREEWARE 5.0 Re: FREEWARE 5.0" Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file?" Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file?" Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file?" Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file?" Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file?" Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file?" Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file? Re: Identifying image files  Re: Kerberos in VMS  looking for dssi disks (used)  Re: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 disks RE: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 disks- Re: Question - those pesky MS Windows keys... - Re: Question - those pesky MS Windows keys...  real busty amateurs  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  RE: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  RE: setting the record straight  Re: Time Sync Software- Re: Upgarded to OpenVMS 7.3 Printing question 2 Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The Inquirer2 Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The Inquirer2 Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The Inquirer2 Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The Inquirer? Re: VMS721_SYS-V1100: Caution do not apply with Pathworks V6.0D 6 RE: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)$ Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale?$ Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2002 15:59:11 -0800 ) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) / Subject: Re: "C" written os's spell "disaster"! = Message-ID: <55f85d77.0202011559.7926603a@posting.google.com>   u martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote in message news:<3c5ae124.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>... , > Patrick Young (P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU) wrote:< > > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote...K > > > The reason that VMS system services require a length, is to make that K > > > probe possible without too high an overhead.  But it *is* possible to J > > > do it with a null terminated string *if* you really wanted to do it.M > > > You just need to probe for each byte before reading/testing/copying it.  > >   >P > > if (__PAL_PROBER(c_string_addr, c_string_len, ps_reg & PR$M_PS_PRVMOD) == 0) > >     return(SS$_ACCVIO);  > L > Errr ...and you get the c_string_len from where (if not from a parameter)? >   B That's where the "just need to probe for each byte before reading/< testing/copying it" comes in. The c_string_len becomes 1 andC you test if the byte is null if you had access to it, if not null - 4 use it as data and move on to probing the next byte.  1 Though in most cases you would do something like:   D int my_priv_routine(char *null_termed_string, int bufsize_of_string)  & and a well behaved user could then do:  
 char buf[80];  ... & status = my_routine(buf, sizeof(buf));  : or if they wanted to break their own code (but not yours):  & status = my_routine(buf, strlen(buf));   ------------------------------    Date: 02 Feb 2002 02:38:08 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: Carly's O/S Commitment - Message-ID: <87sn8ldp4f.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:   E > Walter Hewlitt would disagree. Virtually all the financial analysts C > say the Compaq/DEC takeover was a disaster *because* all they had 7 > was "warm fuzzy feelings" and no hard plan of action.   E The other thing I saw ( from a pointer in the Register or the inq...) B qas that the MC went cap in hand to HP and gave Carly the 'eat me'? line... I wonder what else is lurking in the Qs books. AA their  auditor?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2002 17:32:03 -0800 ) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)  Subject: Re: curses on OpenVMS= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0202011732.7c3cb6bd@posting.google.com>   q tony.cheung@asiayeah.com (Tony Cheung) wrote in message news:<f9dc0a5a.0202010803.4e858b9c@posting.google.com>...  >>  E > Is there any other easier way to create a text-console with hilight E > menus, text-entry form? Or any other higher level libraries to use? ' > Any pointer will be much appreciated.  >    $ HELP RTL SMG$   6 You will want to start with SMG$CREATE_VIRTUAL_DISPLAY  : Please see the OpenVMS documentation for more information.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:00:44 -0500 . From: Chuck McCrobie <mccrobie@cablespeed.com> Subject: Re: curses on OpenVMS. Message-ID: <3C5B646C.C38E6A6F@cablespeed.com>   Tony Cheung wrote: >  > Hi,  > D > I am trying to create a text-console application on the OpenVMS. I > would be using C/C++.  > E > I've read about the curses implementations of OpenVMS and know that D > it's not 100% compatible with other curses. Is that still true for > OpenVMS v7.3?  > E > Is there any other easier way to create a text-console with hilight E > menus, text-entry form? Or any other higher level libraries to use? ' > Any pointer will be much appreciated.  >  > Thank you very much. > 
 > Tony Cheung   H If it works on VMS, it _should_ work on Unix implementations of curses. C If it works on Unix implementations of Unix, it _might_ work on VMS G implementation (but may likely need tweaking).  I ran into this several H years ago.  Memory is fuzzy as to the details :(  This was VMS 5.5-2 and VMS 6.1, though. --   --    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:36:58 GMT # From: palm6174 <labadie_g@decus.fr> ' Subject: Re: DCPS and Ricoh Aficio 1035 % Message-ID: <a3etr0$4dd$1@wanadoo.fr>    Todd Nelson wrote:   >Hello all.  > L >We have a Ricoh Aficio 1035 Copier / Printer that we would like to print to >from OpenVMS. > F >1) The Ricoh has a network interface and is connected to our network.M >2) We use DCPS / DCPS open for other printers - and therefore have licenses.  >  > L >What is the port number to print to?  The best info I have found appears to& >be 9100 - but it appears not to work. > B You can use it with telnetsym on the port 10001, do something like; init/que/start/process=tcpip$telnetsym/on="@ip:10001" ricoh    Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:03:54 -0500 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>' Subject: Re: DCPS and Ricoh Aficio 1035 ; Message-ID: <010220021603548179%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>   5 In article <3c5adf2b$1_1@news7.fast.net>, Todd Nelson   <toddnelson_@hotmail.com> wrote:  M > We have a Ricoh Aficio 1035 Copier / Printer that we would like to print to  > from OpenVMS.  > G > 1) The Ricoh has a network interface and is connected to our network. N > 2) We use DCPS / DCPS open for other printers - and therefore have licenses. > M > What is the port number to print to?  The best info I have found appears to ' > be 9100 - but it appears not to work.   D As the previous poster mentioned, the printer might be using anotherG port such as 10001.  Even if you use the right port in your DCPS setup, G if the printer does not support bi-directional IP communication, a DCPS  queue will not work.  B I have worked with some of these multi-function devices, and heard< about others, and I believe most do not offer bi-directional9 communication.  Most network laser printers *do* and most ; printer/copiers *don't*.  Don't ask my why, except that the F printer/copiers probably come from the company's copier division whichG means they take a copier and slap a network card on it, and the printer 9 division has long been producing robust network printers.   = Once you are using the right port, try setting the printer to F PostScript mode instead of auto-sensing PostScript/PCL mode.  Also tryF defining the DCPS$queuename_NO_SYNC logical name to TRUE.  If all that= fails, you're probably out of luck with DCPS for this device.   ' In that case, use LPR or Telnet queues.    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------   Date: 1 FEB 2002 20:51:27 GMT 4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)- Subject: Re: Decamds and Availability manager 5 Message-ID: <1FEB02.20512773@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>   ; In a previous article, "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote:  ->  J ->Our GS140 w VMS 7.2-1 began crashing daily after we installed a batch ofK ->important Fibre Channel related ECOs.  Compaq support said it is probably J ->DECAMDS and that installing the new DECAMDS  **and/or**   AVAIL_MAN kits ->should fix the problem.   G "Probably DECAMDS?" If they said this after actually looking at a valid F crash dump then that's not acceptable. They should be able to tell you; exactly why the system crashed (that's been my experience).   ? Granted, you should have the latest AMDS073B kit as others have  recommended.  G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 2 --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:06:19 -05000 From: "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com>% Subject: ES40 special  USD7895 in Cab / Message-ID: <u5mera7gssul74@news.supernews.com>    www.islandco.com   -- David Turner   We sell Alpha systems & parts  http://www.islandco.com  sales@islandco.com Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:45:50 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> P Subject: Re: EV7 systems (was Comparitive reliability figures as used by Compaq)1 Message-ID: <PAz68.338$am1.6908@news.cpqcorp.net>   2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:i9uk5u8c2kfk92b70phbi0dli8392v1h1m@4ax.com...7 > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:43:46 -0500, "Fred Kleinsorge" & > <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote: > H > >Can't help you there.  Our lab has a 16p.  Everyone should have 2 (to> > >replace all their other machines, and have one for backup). > < > You mean a 16p EV7 system can replace *all* other previousE > Alphaservers put together. I definitely want one :-) Does this mean F > you now have a 16p EV7 'workstation' ? By "our lab" I'm assuming youF > mean your area and not all of VMS engineering? I guess you just walkC > up to stores, hand in your XP900 and get a 16p EV7 in exchange :)  >   J Gee.  Do I actually have to put ;-) in messages?  'just saying they are as good as we hoped.   L > >I'm sure that as these systems come closer to First Revenue Ship, that weK > >will have characterization information on the configurations being sold.  > G > If EV7 systems are already considered stable enough to become primary H > development systems within VMS engineering then hopefully Revenue ShipH > can't be too far away. It had better be or, at this rate, you won't beF > able to get into work in the morning without climbing over a growing5 > mound of EV7 servers overflowing into the car-park.  >   G They are not being used for primary development.  They are still in the  development/qual phase.   E > Would be nice if a side effect of cancelling EV8 is that all effort G > can now be devoted to bumping the clock speed of EV7 systems which, I E > guess, might not have had the same priority if EV8 was still in the E > works. EV7 at 4Ghz in a couple of years with McKinley stuck at 2Ghz ' > would be amusing if it could be done.  >   G That would be a HW question.  I'm a SW guy.  But even the 800MHz pass 0  boxes are way, way fast.  E > All of the EV7 information so far does seem to at least confirm the F > *possibility* of reports from Ayr that some massive EV7 based systemG > has already shipped somewhere. And even if the reports are nonsense I C > have no problems repeating a positive Alpha  rumour for a change!  >   J I have no idea where this rumor comes from.  I have not heard of anything.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:50:08 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>P Subject: Re: EV7 systems (was Comparitive reliability figures as used by Compaq)= Message-ID: <4Hz68.18731$%h1.7559546@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>    > 4 > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message   > G > > All of the EV7 information so far does seem to at least confirm the H > > *possibility* of reports from Ayr that some massive EV7 based systemI > > has already shipped somewhere. And even if the reports are nonsense I E > > have no problems repeating a positive Alpha  rumour for a change!  > >   G I could be wrong (Probability Factor: 0.4) but from what I've heard the K "massive Alpha system" is Phase One of the US Department of Energy's ASCI-Q L project at the Los Alamos Nuclear Sieve. The Alpha systems in question wouldI be EV68-based. While there are dozens and dozens and dozens of EV7 Marvel G systems up and running in Marlboro, MA, I doubt that many--if any--have + achieved revenue shipment status as of yet.   < ES45s, on the other hand, are selling in massive quantities.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:13:06 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: FREEWARE 5.0 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEBFEBAA.tom@kednos.com>   D I didn't get one of these with my 7.3 distribution.  Is there a siteF from which it can be downloaded in its entirety?  The Compaq, AFAICT, % isn't suitable for such an endeavour.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:45:34 +1100= From: "Mark\(unMASK\)Forsyth" <forsytMhm@optAushoSme.com.aKu>  Subject: Re: FREEWARE 5.0 " Message-ID: <rrcf3a.um1.ln@really>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEBFEBAA.tom@kednos.com... F > I didn't get one of these with my 7.3 distribution.  Is there a siteG > from which it can be downloaded in its entirety?  The Compaq, AFAICT, ' > isn't suitable for such an endeavour.   5 Have you looked into wget, It can do the job for you.    Ooroo 	 Mark F...    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:23:11 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file? A Message-ID: <zWB68.65458$iX5.4248858@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3C5AC8D1.886D749@videotron.ca...  > Jack Peacock wrote: K > > Many of the files only have 1 or 2 bad VBNs.  Is it possible to somehow  do aG > > raw binary edit and fix the block by putting in the missing records 
 > > manually?  > J > Have you considered writing a small program that does $GET from the file and K > $PUT to a new file, and when you get a bad block, you'd seek pas that bad H > block, write a "blank error" block to the new file and then continue ?  H That's the standard way to recover all the data that isn't actually in aL corrupted bucket:  read through it sequentially until you get an error, thenH start probing randomly by incrementing the (binary representation of theJ text, or arithmetic) key value until you succeed in accessing a subsequentD bucket, then continue sequentially from there.  RMS at least used toI maintain dual paths to the primary data buckets - the normal index plus a J direct pointer to the first data bucket - so this even worked if the indexF was corrupted (and no alternate keys were defined to provide alternate access paths to the data).   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:06:11 -0800* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>+ Subject: Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file? 9 Message-ID: <AtD68.281156$Bw6.6861630@news.webusenet.com>   2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C5AC932.85C1343D@videotron.ca...5 > What if the errors are caused by hard disk errors ?lK We have determined neither the disks or tape drive failed after we ran themaK on another machine.  It was the controller card.  In any case the files areiL now on a known good machine.  The customer junked the 2100 immediately since@ it had been running non-stop for almost 8 years w/o maintenance.  1 There were no logged errors for the disk or tape.A    Jack PeacockA   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:09:06 -0800* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>+ Subject: Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file?f9 Message-ID: <kwD68.281192$Bw6.6864955@news.webusenet.com>   5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message ; news:zWB68.65458$iX5.4248858@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...  > J > That's the standard way to recover all the data that isn't actually in aI > corrupted bucket:  read through it sequentially until you get an error>  >lL Been there, done that before, but I had hoped there was an easier way.  SomeK of the files are large and the backup machine is no speed demon (an ancienteI 233Mhz 21064 alphastation).  Customer has ordered a nice new DS10 but thenE fix has to be this weekend, not enough time to wait for it to arrive.h    Jack Peacock    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:17:23 -0800* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>+ Subject: Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file? 9 Message-ID: <4ED68.281237$Bw6.6868393@news.webusenet.com>t  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0202011015.6e4d4c9d@posting.google.com...aL > 30 days omly!  we have a 4 week turnover on backup tapes also, but we also onceG > a month cut a tape and take it to a bank vault!  we have a seven year  monthlys8 > tape archive in case we would have to reconstruct data >-J The problem is you can only go back so far before it becomes too costly toL restore and bring back up to current.  I never had intermittent failure of aJ SCSI controller before, and I hope I never see it again.  It's the failureL that only happens in your worst nightmares, because there's no warning as itG gradually wipes out the most heavily used files a few blocks at a time, K undetectable until the end of month application procedures eventually catcht it.M  F The earliest tape I had was 2 months old, and there were traces of the problem in a few files then.  K We are going to recommend backup procedure changes for support customers torJ run an ANALYZE/RMS on files every so often to look for this in the future.I Relying on an error log and tape verify isn't enough.  I don't think even_) RAID hardware would have caught this one.     Jack Peacock$   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 21:29:38 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>+ Subject: Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file?n0 Message-ID: <3C5B07B7.6BAB26C9@blueyonder.co.uk>   Jack Peacock wrote:y > 4 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3C5AC932.85C1343D@videotron.ca...7 > > What if the errors are caused by hard disk errors ? M > We have determined neither the disks or tape drive failed after we ran them M > on another machine.  It was the controller card.  In any case the files are(N > now on a known good machine.  The customer junked the 2100 immediately sinceB > it had been running non-stop for almost 8 years w/o maintenance. > 3 > There were no logged errors for the disk or tape.R  7 did you really not get verify errors during the backup?C   regards    >    Jack Peacock4   -- r Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  .  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of y! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:01:52 GMTr* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file?iA Message-ID: <kfE68.66160$iX5.4383875@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   5 "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in messagee3 news:4ED68.281237$Bw6.6868393@news.webusenet.com...-   ...l   > I don't think even+ > RAID hardware would have caught this one.5  J No, but RAID software would have, as long as the disks weren't on the sameH (failed) controller (and possibly even if they were, if the intermittentJ failures were sufficiently rare that only one copy of any given bucket wasL affected - though RMS almost certainly isn't smart enough to avoid having to2 choose the valid buckets manually in such a case).   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:04:54 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: How to fix corrupted RMS file?bC Message-ID: <9iE68.236904$QB1.17304150@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>c  5 "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in messageo3 news:kwD68.281192$Bw6.6864955@news.webusenet.com...n7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messageG= > news:zWB68.65458$iX5.4248858@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...  > >eL > > That's the standard way to recover all the data that isn't actually in aK > > corrupted bucket:  read through it sequentially until you get an error>r > >cH > Been there, done that before, but I had hoped there was an easier way. SomeE > of the files are large and the backup machine is no speed demon (anc anciente > 233Mhz 21064 alphastation).p  G That shouldn't matter noticeably, since the run time is almost entirelyeJ disk-access-dominated (and I hope you've upgraded the disks at some point:7 their service lives are almost always 5 years or less).t   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:23:06 -0800 * From: James Gessling <jgessling@yahoo.com>$ Subject: Re: Identifying image files) Message-ID: <3C5AF929.294364AF@yahoo.com>   I Thanks, I was looking for more space for identity strings.  I guess, I'lls- have to stick to the 15 characters available.n   jimi   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  X > In article <3C5AC65E.D816768F@yahoo.com>, James Gessling <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes:I > > I was looking for a way to better identify what cms class was used to  > > build an image.-L > > I know about identification= in the option file, and am using that.  But > > noticed inL > > $ anal/image something called "image file build identification".  Anyone > > knowF > > how to set that?  (I can't find it in the linker manual)  vms 7.2. >pH > That field is intimately tied in with the behaviour of PRODUCT INSTALLC > for patch kits.  You would be better off to use the regular imagee; > identification field to store your CMS Class information.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2002 13:38:42 -0800n. From: hemingway_n@hotmail.com (Neil Hemingway) Subject: Re: Kerberos in VMS= Message-ID: <4c5b7963.0202011338.4930cd01@posting.google.com>n   Kerry,  B thanks for your response.  My apologies for misleading you with my question.  When Hoff said:  H >   The next protocol being added for external authentication support isM >   Kerberos (both the client and server), and this is expected to be part of0 >   the OpenVMS V7.3 release.o  D I thought he meant that 7.3 would have Kerberos hooked into UAF etc.C so that you could $ set host using Kerberos as the auth mechanism. oA This is important to us as we have several layered products which E perform their own authentication, which we would prefer could also bek
 "Kerberised".    Neil   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:07:42 -05000 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca>& Subject: looking for dssi disks (used)3 Message-ID: <sBC68.3143$EI.16328@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>n  L We got back from another plant a VAX 4000-200 and would like to use it for a little application but...t  F The machine was on a cluster and we did not receive any disks with it.  H If you have DSSI disks for sale (I need about 5GB worth of total space), we`d like to know!   Thanks   --   SyltremvI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)t> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2002 20:14:04 GMTc1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)s% Subject: Re: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 diskse, Message-ID: <a3esuc$16u0$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  < In article <howard-30C847.08145223012002@enews.newsguy.com>,*  Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:J |> In article <a2m174$cm1$1@news1.xs4all.nl>, William <wilby98@yahoo.com> 	 |> wrote:i |> a) |> > I think I overlooked a problem here:b |> > t0 |> > The most recent version of OpenVMS does not< |> > support the DEQNA card. (Another good reason to use the" |> > "floppy install" method.)  :) |> eJ |> Another thing you may have missed is that those computers are unlikely # |> to be supported in VMS 7 at all.w  ? I run 7.1 on everything as far back as the KA630 (MVax-II) withe? no problem.  I am fairly certain I could run 7.3 if I needed toa except maybe for the ethernet.   bill   -- >J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   i   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2002 20:15:05 GMTt1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)t% Subject: RE: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 disksb, Message-ID: <a3et09$16u0$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>  O In article <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6C5A@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>,k:  "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com> writes:I |> For the MicroVAX II and the vaxstation 2000 the max VMS version is 7.2a0 |> The MicroVAX 3100 has no max VMS version yet.   I stand corrected!!  :-)   bill   -- -J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:47:39 -0500a5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 6 Subject: Re: Question - those pesky MS Windows keys...1 Message-ID: <wCz68.339$am1.6895@news.cpqcorp.net>n  ; "Kenneth Randell" <ken.randell@fortel.com> wrote in messaget% news:a3cuu6$bpu$1@bob.news.rcn.net...aI > Not to be overly nosey, but is this USB keyboard + mouse X11/Motif workr foriI > the Itanium port, or is this something we can expect to see in an Alpha. soon > to arrive at your door?6 >5  ( Marvel is "legacy free" - no PC junk IO.  K We have been doing development/testing with some PCI option cards.  Some ofsK the systems out there, like the DS10, have USB ports on them today - all itp needs is firmware and software.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 01:19:04 +0100l& From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>6 Subject: Re: Question - those pesky MS Windows keys...$ Message-ID: <3C5B3078.6231@c-lab.de>   Tim Llewellyn wrote:   > N > An ex colleague found out about <fw>+U, which brings up the Shutdown WindowsI > dialog, while on a unix database upgrade spree. Its easily done, typing M > <fw> U instead of control u in your terminal emulator, then return and yourFM > PC is shutdown. This is actually quite useful for a fast shutdown when usednL > on purpose, but will make you think somehting is messing with your reality  > when encountered accidentally. >    In Win2k, it even more weird:t  C Window+U starts the 'Utility Manager', a tool for visually impairedr@ users to switch on magnifiers, on-screen keyboards AND Narrator.  C And Narrator seems to be the default. Eeeek! W2k is talking to you!i  E If you happen to have a loudspeaker attached, you must try that. Good.( for a hearty laugh with your colleagues!H Click on Help and it will read with a typical computer voice of the past the contents of the help entry: G H-T-T-P colon slash doubleyou doubleyou doubleyou dot microsoft dot com  .....    -- i* Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:23:13 +0800 From: carol012@sexmail.com ()e Subject: real busty amateurs" Message-ID: <5032817@MVB.SAIC.COM>   Below is the result of your feedback form.  It was submitted by  (carol012@sexmail.com) on Saturday, February 2, 19102 at 08:23:13K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------u  J : if you like natural busty amateurs, check out these free pics gallery : * http://www.freshangels.com/girls/aria.html          Q if you do not wish to receive free sex galleries in your mail send an e-mail to :v   gmuleb@hotmail.com  K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:07:53 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: setting the record straightC Message-ID: <dIB68.253652$TC1.16746352@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>e  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message+ news:BKz68.340$am1.6906@news.cpqcorp.net...rI > OK.  We've hit the bottom.  Bill and JF now have now trotted out Nazi'st and 4 > genocide.  Need these threads continue any longer? > I > Bill, until you actually become a customer... flake off.  JF... go with  him.  F Hmmm.  Did I miss your appointment as c.o.v. censor somewhere?  If so,E please provide a reference; if not, I suggest you consider addressingoI Compaq's serious functional problems rather than castigate those who justaL try to make sure they're not swept under the rug - since I doubt that JF (orH anyone else) will pay any more attention to your suggestion above than I will.m   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:56:16 -0500I5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>i( Subject: Re: setting the record straight1 Message-ID: <BKz68.340$am1.6906@news.cpqcorp.net>h  K OK.  We've hit the bottom.  Bill and JF now have now trotted out Nazi's and-2 genocide.  Need these threads continue any longer?  L Bill, until you actually become a customer... flake off.  JF... go with him.      2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3C5AAE38.5505161@videotron.ca...e& > re: naysayers causing damage to VMS. >nH > Naysayers only reflect the thinking of a certain percentage of the VMSL > "population". And that thinking is the result of Compaq's handling of VMS. > L > NOT complaining about Compaq's handling of VMS would cause far more damageI > because it would give Compaq carte blanche to increase the its negative- > handling of VMS. > J > If a governmnent had plans to kill off all citizens by slowly increasing doses I > of poison in food so that the folks wouldn't really notice until it wass tooaL > late, wouldn't you should out as loud as you could the minute you realised! > what the government was up to ?P   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:50:47 GMTo4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>( Subject: Re: setting the record straight= Message-ID: <XzA68.18734$%h1.7590560@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>r  2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C5AD30B.B4FBE467@videotron.ca...9 > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>  wrote:o, >  Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation >tK > > OK.  We've hit the bottom.  Bill and JF now have now trotted out Nazi'su and 6 > > genocide.  Need these threads continue any longer? > >tK > > Bill, until you actually become a customer... flake off.  JF... go with  him. >e >) > Mr Kleinsorge, >sG > If you are going to start to use such words doing personal attacks, I  suggestMK > you add a big disclaimer that dissociate yourself from your employer thatm is > identified in your message.  >  > Secondly, what do you prefer:w >eJ > -some customers who are very worried about the future of VMS and want to > discuss what CompaqsL > is doing, which includes discussing the problems with Compaq's handling of VMS  >0 > or >0J > -customers who "flake off" at your request and leave you alone, but tell allMD > their customers/employers that they should stay away from Compaq ?    L Seems to me that more would be accomplished by making reasonable suggestions to Compaq re: VMS.  E Most of the comp.os.vms constituency is in violent agreement that VMSrJ marketing leaves a lot to be desired. Given that CPQ isn't going to hire aI VMS Blimp to fly over the Super Bowl (especially in light of 9-11 and theaI movie "Black Sunday"), what specifically ought to be done? Where does the ! problem lie? How can it be fixed?n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:33:11 GMTe* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: setting the record straightA Message-ID: <bYC68.65803$iX5.4310678@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>r  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagen7 news:XzA68.18734$%h1.7590560@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...    ...   G > Most of the comp.os.vms constituency is in violent agreement that VMSsL > marketing leaves a lot to be desired. Given that CPQ isn't going to hire aK > VMS Blimp to fly over the Super Bowl (especially in light of 9-11 and theeK > movie "Black Sunday"), what specifically ought to be done? Where does thef# > problem lie? How can it be fixed?   B My, how short memories are!  If you don't still have a copy of theL suggestions we gave Curly 20 months ago (which are still the best answers to2 your question that I know of), I can send you one.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:06:29 +0100e1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>i( Subject: Re: setting the record straight5 Message-ID: <3C5B0355.D26411C8@swissonline.delete.ch>k   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:e .... > N > Seems to me that more would be accomplished by making reasonable suggestions > to Compaq re: VMS. > G > Most of the comp.os.vms constituency is in violent agreement that VMStL > marketing leaves a lot to be desired. Given that CPQ isn't going to hire aK > VMS Blimp to fly over the Super Bowl (especially in light of 9-11 and thebK > movie "Black Sunday"), what specifically ought to be done? Where does ther# > problem lie? How can it be fixed?c  H I'm not sure that Compaq really wants to do anything about it.  I am notH sure that it is a case of the marketing people have been told to put theF message out but they are too incompetent to do so.  I suspect that theE directive from on high is to say as little about VMS as possible.  (IaG would go so far as to say that it might be the VMS people in Compaq whoaD are doing the only marketing and this work is rather "unofficial".)   H I have learnt from experience that what Compaq doesn't say is often moreF important than what they do say, and I note the extreme silence on any4 kind of post-merger future for VMS from Mr Capellas.  F I do wonder if VMS is not being held aside as a possible candidate forE divestment if the regulators give approval for the merger but only oni( the condition that some assets are sold.  E I said some months back that what is really needed is an owner who isBH enthusiastic about VMS and works hard to promote its use.   Now a failed@ merger *might* get Compaq to review their position but I have myD doubts.  The prospect of being sold to another company is not at all4 unattractive if this results in a positive attitude.  C Let's face it, VMS is a very strong operating system; it must be torE retain its customer base of somewhere around 410,000 machines despitetB the neglect shown by DEC and Compaq.  That base and a whole lot ofG features that Compaq never mentions should make it pretty attractive to H a new owner.  I, for one, hold few fears about its future, wherever that future may be.     John McLean    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2002 14:17:42 -0800i( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)( Subject: Re: setting the record straight< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202011417.ac4f1a0@posting.google.com>  Y JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3C5AD30B.B4FBE467@videotron.ca>...e9 > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>  wrote:p, >  Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation > O > > OK.  We've hit the bottom.  Bill and JF now have now trotted out Nazi's and-6 > > genocide.  Need these threads continue any longer? > > P > > Bill, until you actually become a customer... flake off.  JF... go with him. >  >  > Mr Kleinsorge, r > O > If you are going to start to use such words doing personal attacks, I suggestyN > you add a big disclaimer that dissociate yourself from your employer that is > identified in your message.a >  > Secondly, what do you prefer:e > J > -some customers who are very worried about the future of VMS and want to > discuss what Compaq4Q > is doing, which includes discussing the problems with Compaq's handling of VMS p >  > or > N > -customers who "flake off" at your request and leave you alone, but tell allD > their customers/employers that they should stay away from Compaq ? >  > N > For someone whose job is dependant Compaq continuing to develop VMS,  I findL > it quite odd that you would have such a reaction.  Considering that you'veK > already seen your peers at Alpha and compilers sold off to companies they O > wouldn't have chosen to work for, I am quite surprised that you would feel so P > secure that you'd have no problem insulting those customers who fear that yourF > job  and try to find ways to convince Compaq to start promoting VMS. > L > Fine, I will leave you alone. But don't expect ANY sympathy in a few yearsM > when you are sold to Microsoft. I won't even bother telling you "I TOLD YOUeL > SO". And meanwhile I will silenty become in the second class of people whoC > have "flaked off" and do tell customers to avoid anything Compaq.e  F the only way microsoft buys compaq is if they are really serious about theirIC security pledge and buy vms to run windows on top of, which is what  theyB should have did 10 yrs ago and saved alot of money instead of mica code stealing, and headaches!c   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2002 14:19:06 -0800C( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)( Subject: Re: setting the record straight= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202011419.61178b54@posting.google.com>   y "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message news:<XzA68.18734$%h1.7590560@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>...n4 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3C5AD30B.B4FBE467@videotron.ca...; > > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>  wrote: . > >  Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation > >fM > > > OK.  We've hit the bottom.  Bill and JF now have now trotted out Nazi's  >  and8 > > > genocide.  Need these threads continue any longer? > > >-M > > > Bill, until you actually become a customer... flake off.  JF... go witha >  him.i > >  > >  > > Mr Kleinsorge, > >KI > > If you are going to start to use such words doing personal attacks, Im
 >  suggestM > > you add a big disclaimer that dissociate yourself from your employer thatn >  is  > > identified in your message.o > >n! > > Secondly, what do you prefer:  > >rL > > -some customers who are very worried about the future of VMS and want to > > discuss what Compaq7N > > is doing, which includes discussing the problems with Compaq's handling of >  VMS > >  > > or > >eL > > -customers who "flake off" at your request and leave you alone, but tell >  allF > > their customers/employers that they should stay away from Compaq ? >  > N > Seems to me that more would be accomplished by making reasonable suggestions > to Compaq re: VMS. > G > Most of the comp.os.vms constituency is in violent agreement that VMSlL > marketing leaves a lot to be desired. Given that CPQ isn't going to hire aK > VMS Blimp to fly over the Super Bowl (especially in light of 9-11 and thetK > movie "Black Sunday"), what specifically ought to be done? Where does the # > problem lie? How can it be fixed?y  K sell vms to a non pc bought off by bill gates crony company, that is how to  fix it!    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:22:40 -0600+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>e( Subject: RE: setting the record straightL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1A1A3870@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: bob@instantwhip.com [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]  H > the only way microsoft buys compaq is if they are really serious about > their2E > security pledge and buy vms to run windows on top of, which is what  > theyD > should have did 10 yrs ago and saved alot of money instead of mica > code stealing, and headaches!e  E On the other hand, good code takes good engineers to maintain it.  IfnD microsoft had any of those, NT would be getting more stable, and notB less so, as it's doing. (Now, perhaps the engineers are good, and @ mismanaged -- I don't know)  Either way, for some reason they're3 incapable of making code that's worth beta testing.c  F No, if microshaft buy VMS, it will go the way of NT.  (In other words,D everyone will eventually use it, but by that time it will be crap -- please excuse the language)    Regards,   Chris     ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developert Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '   #   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:32:11 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>( Subject: Re: setting the record straight= Message-ID: <LHE68.18890$%h1.7753765@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>d  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageA7 news:d7791aa1.0202011419.61178b54@posting.google.com....A > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messaget9 news:<XzA68.18734$%h1.7590560@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>...06 > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message* > > news:3C5AD30B.B4FBE467@videotron.ca...= > > > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>  wrote:t0 > > >  Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation > > >nH > > > > OK.  We've hit the bottom.  Bill and JF now have now trotted out Nazi's > >  and: > > > > genocide.  Need these threads continue any longer? > > > > J > > > > Bill, until you actually become a customer... flake off.  JF... go with	 > >  him.  > > >S > > >s > > > Mr Kleinsorge, > > >3K > > > If you are going to start to use such words doing personal attacks, Iw > >  suggestJ > > > you add a big disclaimer that dissociate yourself from your employer that > >  isa! > > > identified in your message.  > > >n# > > > Secondly, what do you prefer:  > > >tK > > > -some customers who are very worried about the future of VMS and want  to > > > discuss what CompaqvD > > > is doing, which includes discussing the problems with Compaq's handling of  > >  VMS > > >h > > > or > > >pI > > > -customers who "flake off" at your request and leave you alone, but- tell > >  allH > > > their customers/employers that they should stay away from Compaq ? > >l > >>D > > Seems to me that more would be accomplished by making reasonable suggestions1 > > to Compaq re: VMS. > >rI > > Most of the comp.os.vms constituency is in violent agreement that VMShL > > marketing leaves a lot to be desired. Given that CPQ isn't going to hire a,I > > VMS Blimp to fly over the Super Bowl (especially in light of 9-11 andu thedI > > movie "Black Sunday"), what specifically ought to be done? Where does  theu% > > problem lie? How can it be fixed?h > J > sell vms to a non pc bought off by bill gates crony company, that is how to	 > fix it!t  L Let's see... that limits the opportunity to Computer Associates, IBM, or SunF Microsystems. And I would trust only one of those three to be a proper foster parent.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:43:06 -0600+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>t( Subject: RE: setting the record straightL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1A1A3871@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----; > From: Terry C. Shannon [mailto:terryshannon@mediaone.net]o  7 > Let's see... that limits the opportunity to Computer S > Associates, IBM, or SunuH > Microsystems. And I would trust only one of those three to be a proper > foster parent.  ? Hmm -- that's kind of a limited set of choices.  I'm sure there-? are many more.  What about Fujitsu-Siemens, for instance?  NEC? ; (I don't know if they've done software before...  From whatg> I've seen, though, their new line of supercomputers is nice. )   Chris.    ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerl Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");- '-  -   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:07:42 -0500a0 From: Wayne Morrison <Wayne.Morrison@compaq.com> Subject: Re: Time Sync Softwaret* Message-ID: <3C5AF58E.F1463602@compaq.com>  O It's a bit of overkill for use as just a time service, but DCE (the Distributed-K Computing Environment) runs on all of these platforms, and will synchronizeeO time between the systems.  If you also need the security and directory servicesj% it offers, it would be the way to go.e  H You're probably better off looking into something like NTP (Network Time2 Protocol) if all you want is time synchronization.   	Wayne   "La Roche, Michael" wrote: > F > Does anyone know of a software package that will sync time between 2E > OpenVMS cluster boxes, IBM AIX RS6000 and Windows NT Servers?  Just?B > want to know if there is anything like this out there somewhere. > TIAw > Mike   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:10:17 GMTs- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>s6 Subject: Re: Upgarded to OpenVMS 7.3 Printing question* Message-ID: <3C5AFA3C.2010601@qsl.network>   Thys de Wet wrote:  	 > Hi all,e > M > We're in the process of migrating to an AlphaServer ES40 running OpenVMS7.3i > L > On our previous OpenVMS versions in defining a form in the /SETUP= controlJ > file we've had to to "encapsulate" any PCL command between  "Esc P" (hex > 1B50) and "Esc \" (hex 1B5C)M > We've also used a RESET= parameter with the following data:   Esc]VMS;2Esc\o > (hex 1B5D564D533B1B5C) > N > This was apparently necessary to fix some or other problem with printing theL > first page 1 line higher than the remaining pages in a report or somethingB > to that effect.  I was not involved with the forms at that time. > 2 > I just want to know if it's still needed or not.    H I do not know either.  I do not think anything has changed in that part D of OpenVMS, so I would expect if they were needed in the past, they  would still be needed.  G You could always try removing them and seeing if it makes a difference.n  @ There are two cases where an unwanted blank page may be printed.  F 1. The print symbiont beleives that something has been printed on the H page, and needs to start a new page.  This is the case that the special - escape codes in the library file may prevent.l  I 2. The printer believes that something has been printed on the page, and uE you have sent a command that the printer that causes it to eject any  B page with stuff on it before continuing.  This is the case if you B accidently imbed carriage control characters in your text library.  I If the printers are supported by DCPS, then letting DCPS managage things pA can be even easier.  The license for DCPS is bundled with recent n versions of OpenVMS.   -John7 Wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyn   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:16:19 GMTa* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>; Subject: Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The InquirereC Message-ID: <7QB68.234249$QB1.17149506@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:n1fl5uohcvq6g1j11a7bd5cjg3hsvvv0uf@4ax.com...E > On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:22:09 +0000, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  > wrote: >i > >h > >rH > >THE PORT OF VMS to the Itanium platform is moving quickly, Compaq hasD > >told the INQUIRER, with engineers already booting the OS on Intel	 > >chips.  >yG > Q: Is this a reference to the "mad engineer" work rumours circulatingsH > as far back as May 2001 even before the Alphacide? Or is this an earlyE > boot of the main Itanium code port stream. If so, very well done ina > only 6 months.  = See Fred's response.  Richard is clearly 'way out to lunch...y   > F > >But there's obviously still a way to go, the company has cautioned. > >eG > >Richard George, European marketing director of Compaq's Alpha group,iC > >also moved to reassure his customers that whatever happened withdI > >Hewlett Packard, and merger or no merger, his company was committed tolD > >both developing and supporting its Unix - Tru64 - for at least 12	 > >years.o  > ... and seems to be wandering even farther off on the above...   > H > Develop for 12 years?? Nothing on any powerpoint slide has ever hintedF > at that? But what does "develop" mean? I'm sure Compaq are delightedH > the Richard George has committed them to retaining a Tru64 developmentF > team for twelve years no matter what happens and the Tru64 engineersE > can relax as job security is ensured. So much for HP/Compaq synergy  > savings... >oI > >That commitment was part of contracts it had entered into with variousl" > >of Compaq's customers, he said. >gD > It would be amusing if the price of retaining some of the Q4 Tru64A > sales was to enter into a watertight contract that scuppers anyoC > savings from standardizing on HP-UX on Itanic. Do Curly and Carly  > know?o >h > >eD > >After the merger, Compaq will work with HP to produce a convergedF > >version - known in the trade as Itanium Unix, and that will feature* > >embedded clustering technology he said.  E ... unless he's just really, really confused about the level of Tru64 I content and compatibility that the 'converged' Unix product will contain.t  F You've said in the past that he's an honorable bloke.  Either that has@ changed or Compaq double-think has seriously affected his brain.   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:02:59 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>t; Subject: Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The Inquirer 1 Message-ID: <UQz68.341$am1.6825@news.cpqcorp.net>o  H They should find better sources.  VMS has not booted on Itanium.  We areJ woring on the OS Loader, and don't have all the compilers or linker yet toG start executing anything past the early parts of the primary bootstrap.   ? We have a plan, and are working to it.  Everything is on track.n      2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:picl5ukr103il9pnn1dj9thse31nt8tden@4ax.com...) > http://www.theinquirer.net/01020208.htmo >V > Compaq boots VMS on Itanic >  > Parallel Lines( > By Mike Magee, 01/02/2002 11:16:30 BST >r >oG > THE PORT OF VMS to the Itanium platform is moving quickly, Compaq haslC > told the INQUIRER, with engineers already booting the OS on Intelo > chips.E > But there's obviously still a way to go, the company has cautioned.m >eF > Richard George, European marketing director of Compaq's Alpha group,B > also moved to reassure his customers that whatever happened withH > Hewlett Packard, and merger or no merger, his company was committed toC > both developing and supporting its Unix - Tru64 - for at least 12o > years. > H > That commitment was part of contracts it had entered into with various! > of Compaq's customers, he said.  >iC > After the merger, Compaq will work with HP to produce a convergedhE > version - known in the trade as Itanium Unix, and that will featuret) > embedded clustering technology he said.n >pG > Porting VMS to the Itanium platform was a simpler matter than portingu4 > it from the VAX to the Alpha platform, he claimed. >dC > That required tens of thousands of software modules, while so farnG > moving from Alpha to VMS has only taken 50 software modules, he said.d >wA > There is, however, a great deal of work to be done on compiler,LH > application, middleware and other technology before the formal release1 > of VMS for the Itanium, probably in mid 2005. : >: >t >  The Inquirert >  2002 Breakthrough7 > Publishing Ltd >1 > All rights reserved. >F) > Discuss this story on our Message Foruma > Back to Front. >B >7 >d >r >c >. >  >F >  >i >r >  >e >o >@ >r >o >c >m > Home >  >O > -- > Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:19:34 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ; Subject: Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The Inquirer 8 Message-ID: <n1fl5uohcvq6g1j11a7bd5cjg3hsvvv0uf@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:22:09 +0000, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>g wrote:   >h >sF >THE PORT OF VMS to the Itanium platform is moving quickly, Compaq hasB >told the INQUIRER, with engineers already booting the OS on Intel >chips.s  E Q: Is this a reference to the "mad engineer" work rumours circulatingrF as far back as May 2001 even before the Alphacide? Or is this an earlyC boot of the main Itanium code port stream. If so, very well done inh only 6 months.  D >But there's obviously still a way to go, the company has cautioned. >aE >Richard George, European marketing director of Compaq's Alpha group,wA >also moved to reassure his customers that whatever happened withaG >Hewlett Packard, and merger or no merger, his company was committed tosB >both developing and supporting its Unix - Tru64 - for at least 12 >years.a  F Develop for 12 years?? Nothing on any powerpoint slide has ever hintedD at that? But what does "develop" mean? I'm sure Compaq are delightedF the Richard George has committed them to retaining a Tru64 developmentD team for twelve years no matter what happens and the Tru64 engineersC can relax as job security is ensured. So much for HP/Compaq synergya
 savings...  G >That commitment was part of contracts it had entered into with variousO  >of Compaq's customers, he said.  B It would be amusing if the price of retaining some of the Q4 Tru64? sales was to enter into a watertight contract that scuppers anybA savings from standardizing on HP-UX on Itanic. Do Curly and Carlye know?    >mB >After the merger, Compaq will work with HP to produce a convergedD >version - known in the trade as Itanium Unix, and that will feature( >embedded clustering technology he said. > F >Porting VMS to the Itanium platform was a simpler matter than porting3 >it from the VAX to the Alpha platform, he claimed.g >DB >That required tens of thousands of software modules, while so farF >moving from Alpha to VMS has only taken 50 software modules, he said.  C What does this mean? That only 50 modules have required any changes. perhaps? >m@ >There is, however, a great deal of work to be done on compiler,G >application, middleware and other technology before the formal releaseo0 >of VMS for the Itanium, probably in mid 2005.   D Now this date is much later than anything we've seen previously. WhyF should it take another 3.5 years to complete the port? However it doesF fit in with a previous statement from Richard George that the VMS port? will not be released until servers incorporating Alpha speed-up  technology are available.n   >s > The Inquirer   > 2002 Breakthrough >Publishing Ltdr >a >All rights reserved.r >y) >Discuss this story on our Message Forum i >Back to Front >  >  >  >  d >  >  >  >  >  r >  >r >  >  >  >  >  >  >  > 	 >Home    a >    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:18:59 -0500d( From: Jonas Lindholm <jlindholm@rcn.com>; Subject: Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The Inquirer ' Message-ID: <3C5B3E83.109952A2@rcn.com>    When we are on the subject,t  H does Itanium support all four access modes in hardware or do you need to simulate that instead in SW ?s   /Jonas Lindholmn   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  J > They should find better sources.  VMS has not booted on Itanium.  We areL > woring on the OS Loader, and don't have all the compilers or linker yet toI > start executing anything past the early parts of the primary bootstrap.f >1A > We have a plan, and are working to it.  Everything is on track.d >?4 > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 > news:picl5ukr103il9pnn1dj9thse31nt8tden@4ax.com...+ > > http://www.theinquirer.net/01020208.htm- > >- > > Compaq boots VMS on Itanic > >b > > Parallel Lines* > > By Mike Magee, 01/02/2002 11:16:30 BST > >u > >:I > > THE PORT OF VMS to the Itanium platform is moving quickly, Compaq has1E > > told the INQUIRER, with engineers already booting the OS on Intelr
 > > chips.G > > But there's obviously still a way to go, the company has cautioned.  > >qH > > Richard George, European marketing director of Compaq's Alpha group,D > > also moved to reassure his customers that whatever happened withJ > > Hewlett Packard, and merger or no merger, his company was committed toE > > both developing and supporting its Unix - Tru64 - for at least 12t
 > > years. > >rJ > > That commitment was part of contracts it had entered into with various# > > of Compaq's customers, he said.e > >rE > > After the merger, Compaq will work with HP to produce a convergedtG > > version - known in the trade as Itanium Unix, and that will featurec+ > > embedded clustering technology he said.I > >eI > > Porting VMS to the Itanium platform was a simpler matter than porting 6 > > it from the VAX to the Alpha platform, he claimed. > >hE > > That required tens of thousands of software modules, while so farrI > > moving from Alpha to VMS has only taken 50 software modules, he said.  > > C > > There is, however, a great deal of work to be done on compiler,MJ > > application, middleware and other technology before the formal release3 > > of VMS for the Itanium, probably in mid 2005. 7 > >5 > >o > >  The Inquirerd > >  2002 Breakthroughn > > Publishing Ltd > >e > > All rights reserved. > >9+ > > Discuss this story on our Message Forum  > > Back to Frontn > >d > >. > >w > >i > >s > >  > >< > >. > >$ > >5 > >@ > >o > >m > >n > >> > >  > >J > >e > >f > > Home > >. > >r > > -- > > Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:56:34 -0500, From: "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com>H Subject: Re: VMS721_SYS-V1100: Caution do not apply with Pathworks V6.0D, Message-ID: <a3eh68011p3@enews1.newsguy.com>  G Thanks Carl.  I'll try the rename option.  The site where this is being K installed runs Pathworks, so that's why I was expecting a crash to occur ifFJ I installed the patch.  I also wasn't (and still am not) sure if using theF old images will render any other part of the patch moot, or any of theI patches which require SYS-V1100 (such as AUDSRV-V0200 and MOUNT96-V0300).m  < Wish me luck, the installs are being done this weekend.  :-)    
 Thanks again,e Frank     A "Carl Karcher" <karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu> wrote in messaged0 news:31JAN02.21452003@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu...
 > Options: >vC > 1. If you don't have the new images simply (and carefully) renames@ > security.exe_old to *.exe and security_mon.exe_old to *.exe inG > sys$loadable_images after you've applied the patch. This will restorea4 > the original images as they were before the patch. > H > 2. If you don't have pathworks install the patch as is. Start all yourB > applications and try them. If you don't see the crash then don'tJ > worry about it. If you don't see it during basic testing you're probablyF > never going to - it's not an intermittent thing. From the crash dumpC > info I'd guess only kernel mode applications that call EXE$CHKPRO  > can cause it.u >h > 3. Wait for SYS-V1200. >,I > -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonw2 > --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:01:44 -0500+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>A? Subject: RE: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)oT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1C16@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Dave -  H >>> For software support you are charged more for prior version support. <<  E Also, one of the cost issues that some times arises is when Customers1B compare some third party support costs on their existing large VAXE environment to NT servers and then decide to do something with NT.=20   G Of course, to some third party ISV's, a large VAX server is in the sameu, range as a mainframe ie. "enterprise level".  B If they compared the support costs of these ISV's applications and@ Compaq maint on a small DS20 (Workgroup level) with the built inA warranty etc, then the difference would be a whole lot different.'   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultants Compaq Canada Corp.w Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----@ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk [mailto:david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk] Sent: February 1, 2002 10:30 AM- To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come? Subject: Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)a    E In article <a3eabb$pvd$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:m4 >In article <80+MwCB4qcq+@eisner.encompasserve.org>,2 >   koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:G >>In article <a3bjko$q8e$3@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:t >>>=20H >>> I'd be surprised if anybody was running a later release on old gear.F >>> Usually, people only bother if they have to get code for new gear. >>B >>   Nonsense.  I worked on lots of projects where we kept the OS,C >>   compilers, and such up to date.  I'm looking at installing 7.3y0 >>   on an old system in the next couple months. >t9 >Are there any technical reasons for keeping updated? =20 < >Is there a clause in the support contract that requires the >site to stay updated?=20  >w  D For software support you are charged more for prior version support.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2002 20:01:41 GMT31 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)i- Subject: Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale? , Message-ID: <a3es75$16u0$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  = In article <9f261edc.0201231226.4ac964c6@posting.google.com>,E0  tessier-ashpool@usa.net (Chris Bardell) writes:] |> David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote in message news:<3C4EDE15.1D5708C8@caltech.edu>...E |> r< |> > One of my bigger pet peeves.  Since no telephone button= |> > is labeled with a Q one cannot dial ATCOMPAQ.  I wonder r* |> > if they own all numbers ATCOMPA[0-9]? |> l |> iG |> My mobile has Q on the 7 key. Would make SMS rather limited if there ( |> were letters of the alphabet missing. |> .  C Not only that, but the phone will ring wheb you dial the 7th numberk before you even get to the "Q".i   bill   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2002 17:35:09 -0600i+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)p- Subject: Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale?e3 Message-ID: <rjx8BPOaXsUW@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  U In article <3C4EDE15.1D5708C8@caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes:  > John Forkosh wrote:a >> iE >> I purchased Freeware 5 CD from them back on Sept 4, 2001, for $25. I >> Call 1-800-DIGITAL (or 1-800-ATCOMPAQ, I can't recall which I dialed),r+ >> and ask for QA-6KZAA-H8.  Worked for me., > 9 > One of my bigger pet peeves.  Since no telephone buttonl: > is labeled with a Q one cannot dial ATCOMPAQ.  I wonder ' > if they own all numbers ATCOMPA[0-9]?l >   C Would it matter?  Does the phone company pay any attention to what 1B you type after the 7th digit after area code?  You'd get the same A effect if you typed ATCOMPA as if you typed ATCOMPAQWEHAVENOCLUE B
 wouldn't you?7   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.063 ************************2 news:n1fl5uohcvq6g1j11a7bd5cjg3hsvvv0uf@4ax.com...E > On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:22:09 +0000, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  > wrote: >i > >h > M    M    M    ÁM    āM    ŁM    ƁM    ǁM    ȁM    ɁM    ʁM    ˁM    ́M    ́M    ΁M    ρM    ЁM    сM    ҁM    ӁM    ԁM    ՁM    ցM    ׁM    ؁M    فM    ځM    ہM    ܁M    ݁M    ށM    ߁M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    M    