0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 04 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 68      Contents:& re: "C" written os's spell "disaster"!& re: "C" written os's spell "disaster"!& Re: "C" written os's spell "disaster"!) Air Canada seat sale to USA (misleading).  Alphaserver Console Cmds Re: Alphaserver Console Cmds Any news on fix for XFC ?  Re: Apache CGI Problem.  Re: Apache CGI Problem.  Re: Asynchonous clusteringD Re: Be prepared, Encompass is using SBA to SPAM folks for MembershipD Re: Be prepared, Encompass is using SBA to SPAM folks for Membership Re: Bridgeworks & DCE  Re: Bridgeworks & DCE  C.A. E-trust* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen' Re: CTLPAGES - Monitoring Free P1 Space  Re: curses on OpenVMS % Re: DEC ALPHA ES40 Equipment For Sale  Disk I/O queue Re: Disk I/O queue Re: Disk I/O queue Re: emacs21 almost working?  Errlog.sys - CORRUPTED !!!!  RE: Errlog.sys - CORRUPTED !!!!  Re: Errlog.sys - CORRUPTED !!!!  Expert at HTML, JavaScript...?+ RE: Export Monitor Data to CSV file, Excel?  Image Backup speed Re: Image Backup speed Re: Image Backup speed Re: Image Backup speed Intel 'Education'  Intel 'Education'  Re: Intel 'Education'  Re: Intel 'Education'  Re: LICENSE/CHARGE Memo:  AXP 3000-400 available ! Re: Memo:  AXP 3000-400 available , Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month0 RE: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month  Re: Pathworks/MS Network problem/ PIDs of processes created during system startup 3 Re: PIDs of processes created during system startup ( Re: Purveyor is superior for VMS - proof. READ THE WEB-SITE THAT THE KIKES TRY TO CENSOR RPC "Hello"  Systems & Options Catalogs	 Re: tcpip 	 Re: tcpip 	 RE: tcpip 	 TCPIP lpd  Re: unzip files  Re: Veritas Client for VMS VMS + EMC disks 2 Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The Inquirer2 Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The Inquirer. Re: VMS boots on itanium!  Tru64 for 12 years!6 Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)6 Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)6 RE: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)6 Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...) Re: WSSIZE and WSPEAK   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:21:43 +0100 / From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> / Subject: re: "C" written os's spell "disaster"! 7 Message-ID: <00A090F6.96727B80.31@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>    > D > That's where the "just need to probe for each byte before reading/> > testing/copying it" comes in. The c_string_len becomes 1 andE > you test if the byte is null if you had access to it, if not null - 6 > use it as data and move on to probing the next byte.  J Out of interest, what is the overhead of probing? Is it a basically "free"A CPU-only operation, like testing for null, or does it have major  & side-effects on the cache or suchlike?  B If "free" then there's nothing wrong with just probing every byte.  @ If not, then can you not improve matters by calculating the lastJ byte in the page, probe, scan for null up to that byte, if not found probeB the next whole page, then continue the scan through the next page,/ until the null is found or a page-probe fails?     	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:50:53 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG / Subject: re: "C" written os's spell "disaster"! 0 Message-ID: <00A090E9.E5C947F3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <00A090F6.96727B80.31@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:  >>  E >> That's where the "just need to probe for each byte before reading/ ? >> testing/copying it" comes in. The c_string_len becomes 1 and F >> you test if the byte is null if you had access to it, if not null -7 >> use it as data and move on to probing the next byte.  > K >Out of interest, what is the overhead of probing? Is it a basically "free" B >CPU-only operation, like testing for null, or does it have major ' >side-effects on the cache or suchlike?  > C >If "free" then there's nothing wrong with just probing every byte.  > A >If not, then can you not improve matters by calculating the last K >byte in the page, probe, scan for null up to that byte, if not found probe C >the next whole page, then continue the scan through the next page, 0 >until the null is found or a page-probe fails?     L I said that several posting prior.  The overhead on Alpha can be significantK in relation to computing when and where the probe is needed.  Remember, on  K Alph, the PROBEx is a PALcode call.  There are many issues which make a PAL K routine undesirable and to call one every byte whilst looking for a null is % something that would be best avoided.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:04:40 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> / Subject: Re: "C" written os's spell "disaster"! 2 Message-ID: <h8A78.401$am1.16872@news.cpqcorp.net>  L Yes, there are ways to improve the performance.  In it's simplest terms, youK need to probe for access to each byte.  From an implementation perspective, % you only need to probe once per-page.       K Nigel Arnot wrote in message <00A090F6.96727B80.31@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>...  >>E >> That's where the "just need to probe for each byte before reading/ ? >> testing/copying it" comes in. The c_string_len becomes 1 and F >> you test if the byte is null if you had access to it, if not null -7 >> use it as data and move on to probing the next byte.  > K >Out of interest, what is the overhead of probing? Is it a basically "free" A >CPU-only operation, like testing for null, or does it have major ' >side-effects on the cache or suchlike?  > C >If "free" then there's nothing wrong with just probing every byte.  > A >If not, then can you not improve matters by calculating the last K >byte in the page, probe, scan for null up to that byte, if not found probe C >the next whole page, then continue the scan through the next page, / >until the null is found or a page-probe fails?  >  > Yours,
 > Nigel Arnot  > NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK > 7 > "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:41:51 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 2 Subject: Air Canada seat sale to USA (misleading)., Message-ID: <3C5EB9CC.C7A0893B@videotron.ca>  Q AC announced a seat sale to the USA. However, the text of the announcement reads:    ##L Fares are each way based on return-trip travel in Canadian dollars excluding4 taxes and surcharges where applicable. Following are> some highlights of Air Canada's seat sale, starting as low as: ##  K For instance, Montreal-LAX is advertised as $269, but that is really $538 +   taxes (probably closer to $700).    M Montreal-New York is advertsised as $117. Looks great eh ? But that is really E $234+taxes which comes out more to more $390 (plus the dorval airport 2 mismanagement fees, that comes to more than $400).    Is that really a seat sale ?????   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 08:27:04 -0800 . From: Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org>! Subject: Alphaserver Console Cmds ' Message-ID: <3C5EB658.1010500@vmmc.org>   > We've just received a GS160 and a pair of ES45s.  It's obvious< that the console subsystem is some Unix variant.  Can anyone tell me:   1) What Unix variant this is?    2) Where I can find doc?  ( With no doc, my immediate questions are:  + a) Within EDIT, how do I list a single line  or a group of lines?  - b) How can I put the response to the LINE cmd  into a symbol?   Thanks   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:14:18 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> % Subject: Re: Alphaserver Console Cmds 2 Message-ID: <ahA78.404$am1.17293@news.cpqcorp.net>  > Jack Trachtman wrote in message <3C5EB658.1010500@vmmc.org>...? >We've just received a GS160 and a pair of ES45s.  It's obvious = >that the console subsystem is some Unix variant.  Can anyone 	 >tell me:  >  >1) What Unix variant this is? >   J It's not.  It is a standalone OS not based on any other OS, UNIX included.  G One of the developers, who long since has moved on to greener pastures, H implemented a UNIX-like shell environment.  What he based it on, I'm not sure.    >2) Where I can find doc?  >   L I'm not sure there is some general documentation.  The HW Installation guideK gives enough information to get the system running and do some diagnostics.   ) >With no doc, my immediate questions are:  > , >a) Within EDIT, how do I list a single line >or a group of lines?  > . >b) How can I put the response to the LINE cmd >into a symbol?  >   L The EDIT command operates on NVRAM, and allows you to write/modify a startupI script.  This is not available on ALL Alphas.  There are at least 3 major G varients of the SRM console.  While most have common heritage, some are  built with different options.   G The EDIT command uses a BASIC-like editor.  So I would try commands you E would use if you were in a simple BASIC interpretor environment.  The I contents of the NVRAM script are console command lines.  I do not believe J that the "line" in the NVRAM script is available to the commands - if that is what you are asking.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:12:27 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> " Subject: Any news on fix for XFC ?0 Message-ID: <3C5E96CB.5F9D1DD@BlueBubble.UK.Com>   Hoff wrote on 31-Oct-2001:  E >>Has anyone heard anything on a fix for the XFC?  I searched DSNlink C >>tonight and didn't find anything new.  The one XFC patch is still  on-hold. > H > Pending, but I do not have a specific nor an official schedule for the   > XFC V2.0 ECO kit shipment. > E > I am aware of at least one customer site that has loaded the images  that= > may well become the XFC V2.0 kit, and that is now operating  successfullyH > with XFC enabled.  Assuming that these prove to be the final images --  E > something that I am not certain is the case -- I would *guess* that  the 2 > XFC V2.0 kit will be available in about a month. > E > Regardless of the actual/eventual release schedule for the ECO kit,  the F > VIOC-based I/O caching does work -- please enable (via the VCC_FLAGSG > system parameter) and use VIOC on existing OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 systems / > pending the availability of the XFC V2.0 kit.   F I'm getting to a stage at one customer site where I could really start: to use the (promised) performance improvement with XFC ...  , Hoff, any update on expected time for this ?  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:53:28 +0100< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>  Subject: Re: Apache CGI Problem.5 Message-ID: <a3li69$192aom$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>    Rob Buxton wrote... + > I've got the following in an html script.  > 8 > <!--#exec cmd="$@apache$root:[cgi-bin]get_time.com"--> > 1 > The get_time script just does pretty much that.  > H > It's effectively cribbed from the Release Notes. But I can't get it to > work.  > I get nothing back.  ...  >What have I missed?  E This is called "Server Side Includes" (SSI) and has to be enabled for ' a <Directory>, <Location> or similar by      Options +Includes    cu,    Martin --  J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:11:34 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")  Subject: Re: Apache CGI Problem.8 Message-ID: <00A090A1.59C1E96E@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  ^ In article <3c5e00c4.3040245051@news.wcc.govt.nz>, rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) writes:
 >Hi Chaps, > * >I've got the following in an html script. > 7 ><!--#exec cmd="$@apache$root:[cgi-bin]get_time.com"-->  > 0 >The get_time script just does pretty much that. > D >I've got a lot of GET html stuff working but was quite intrigued by >this approach. G >It's effectively cribbed from the Release Notes. But I can't get it to  >work. >  >I get nothing back.= >Turned on debug logicals and the script is not being called. F >If I run the get_time.com directly from the Web Server it works fine. >  >What have I missed? > , >Tried enabling some handlers but no change. >   F Because the ability to execute arbitrary commands can be dangerous andG present security exposures, Apache requires you to tell it you want to  G server-side-includes on the files you want to and gives you the ability 5 to specify includes without the ability to run Execs.   < So somewhere you have to have a container directive (one of)   <Files>  <FilesMatch>   <Directory>  <DirectoryMatch>  
 <Location> <LocationMatch>   - that applies to this file and turns on execs.   J For example, if you want to make every .shtml file on your server able to & run execute arbitrary commands, put in  5 # define the handler (which you probably already did) , Addtype application/x-server-parsed .shtml    B <Files *.shtml>  # wildcards work on files; Filesmatch needs regex  Options +Includes </Files>  I Alternatively, you can allow includes but prohibit anything that requires ( script execution (exec cmd or exec cgi):   <Files *.shtml>   Options +IncludesNOEXEC </Files>    L If you're the only one writing pages on your system, you might actually wantF to use the command I give above.  Otherwise, you might want to have a $ [trusted-ssipages] directory and do   % <Directory /pathto/trusted-ssipages/>   Options +Includes </Directory>  G and don't put any pages in there that you haven't checked out yourself.    Hope this helps!   -- Alan     O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:17:01 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1># Subject: Re: Asynchonous clustering ) Message-ID: <3C5E6DAD.75FC4F68@127.0.0.1>    William wrote: > 5 > I have just acquired VMS 5.5-2 on tape which I hope 8 > to load into my MicroVAX II. My MVII is encased within6 > the BA23 (rackmount) enclosure and will have an RD54( > disk (159MB 5.25) and TK50 tape drive. > : > Although I will leave out DECwindows on the install I am: > still concerned about lack of disk space. Since no other   Hi,   F Purely from the disk space point of view I ran with VMS 6.2 on an RD54G with decwindows and minimal page/swap files. I even had the library and C optional components installed. 5.5-2 should be no problem. I reckon , without decwindows, you'll need about 100 MB  F Don't do any file decompression obviously and you'll have enough spaceH to get by. Locate other stuff on any other disks. For the record I had aG Q4 system (BA123) with 3 other RD54s, so I had other page/swap areas as - well, and ability to have 'large' user areas.   8 A colleague of mine did get a 7.1 system onto an RD54...  A The biggest problem with RD54s is their reliability, keep regularb$ backups and an eye on forced errors. -- :( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:21:50 +0100e+ From: Maarten van Tilburg <mtilburg@wxs.nl>mM Subject: Re: Be prepared, Encompass is using SBA to SPAM folks for Membershipo& Message-ID: <3C5E60BE.66F5937D@wxs.nl>   Paul Sture wrote:  > L > In article <U1TxKxTzw9wY@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:j > > In article <VA.00000528.841d6edf@bluewin.delete.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch> writes: > >tO > > > However, a new breed of this hit me this week. It welcomed me to a streamoP > > > of porn, which it would keep on sending UNLESS I clicked on the url, whichI > > > quite clearly contained my email address (this would have been lesspK > > > obvious in an HTML mail reader). IMO that was an attempt to get me toq& > > > confirm my address as working... > >wH > > In addition to the paid filtering service, SpamCop does offer a free. > > reporting service at http://spamcop.net/ . > >aF > Thanks for the reminder. Unfortunately, this one arrived at work viaG > Lotus Notes and I don't get to see the headers, which makes reportinge* > the problem properly somewhat difficult. > ___e > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlandu  4 In that case, forward the spam to the e-mail system:    G       To use the "Email submission system" you now have to register forr a SpamCop account. f  H       Once you have confirmed your registration, go to your SpamCop homeA page (either http://spamcop.net/ or http://members.spamcop.net/).iE       Right below the "Welcome" message you will notice a coded emailn	 address. r  G       This is your personal email address that you can forward spam to.iB Spam you forward to this address will have a reply (containing the parsingm>       link) to the address you used to register with SpamCop.   G       To use the email submission system, just forward as an attachmentuE your spam to the personal reporting address shown on your front page.E@       You will get back a reply with already-authorized URLs forH reporting the spam at the address you used to register for SpamCop with.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:40:07 +0100h/ From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch> M Subject: Re: Be prepared, Encompass is using SBA to SPAM folks for MembershipS4 Message-ID: <VA.0000052b.002c2e8f@bluewin.delete.ch>  A In article <3C5E60BE.66F5937D@wxs.nl>, Maarten van Tilburg wrote:e > Paul Sture wrote:. > > N > > In article <U1TxKxTzw9wY@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:l > > > In article <VA.00000528.841d6edf@bluewin.delete.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch> writes: > > >mQ > > > > However, a new breed of this hit me this week. It welcomed me to a streamdR > > > > of porn, which it would keep on sending UNLESS I clicked on the url, whichK > > > > quite clearly contained my email address (this would have been lessnM > > > > obvious in an HTML mail reader). IMO that was an attempt to get me toi( > > > > confirm my address as working... > > >aJ > > > In addition to the paid filtering service, SpamCop does offer a free0 > > > reporting service at http://spamcop.net/ . > > >oH > > Thanks for the reminder. Unfortunately, this one arrived at work viaI > > Lotus Notes and I don't get to see the headers, which makes reportingo, > > the problem properly somewhat difficult. > > ___t > > Paul Sture > > Switzerlande > 6 > In that case, forward the spam to the e-mail system: > I >       To use the "Email submission system" you now have to register for  > a SpamCop account.   > J >       Once you have confirmed your registration, go to your SpamCop homeC > page (either http://spamcop.net/ or http://members.spamcop.net/).eG >       Right below the "Welcome" message you will notice a coded email: > address. r > I >       This is your personal email address that you can forward spam to. D > Spam you forward to this address will have a reply (containing the	 > parsing.@ >       link) to the address you used to register with SpamCop.  > I >       To use the email submission system, just forward as an attachmentrG > your spam to the personal reporting address shown on your front page. B >       You will get back a reply with already-authorized URLs forJ > reporting the spam at the address you used to register for SpamCop with. >e Thanks. I'll do that tomorrow. ___?
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:35:24 -0000-- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)e Subject: Re: Bridgeworks & DCE7 Message-ID: <91AB682A8warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>o  E arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk (Arne Vajhj) wrote in <3C5C5661.C456EBA2n @mail.danbbs.dk>:t  ; >Am I the only one that thinks is a shame that Compaq makes 7 >such an interesting product like Bridgeworks availabled= >for download but to actually use it you need DCE Application.7 >Development Kit, which I think is a very rare piece ofo9 >software. If Bridgeworks were to be a success, then theyn9 >should make DCE available for free via download as well.u7 >I have no problem about the C compiler being required. 9 >If you are doing any development, then you are likeky tou@ >have the C compiler installed. But who has that DCE development# >kit installed ? Not many I think !O  K When I installed BridgeWorks a couple of years ago, the installation guide  E was huge and had a zillion details.  However, a section near the top  H indicated that you only had to configure a very small portion of it for L BridgeWorks to do its thing.  I do not recall having to install the DCE App  Dev kit.   ws   -- '   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer). The Associated Press  @ ** When Windows is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb **   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:32:34 GMTc& From: "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org> Subject: Re: Bridgeworks & DCE' Message-ID: <3C5EC5AD.FFA8546F@ACM.org>p   Arne Vajhj wrote:0 > If Bridgeworks were to be a success, then they: > should make DCE available for free via download as well.  $ When did DCE stop being part of VMS?  3 From "Updated: 01 April 1994 Customer Update Home"l   > OpenVMS Future Directionso  I > Digital offers DCE today for OpenVMS and DEC OSF/1 platforms and in therH > future will offer it for Windows and Windows NT platforms. DCE runtimeE > services are included with OpenVMS software at no additional cost.     -- f C.W.Holeman II  cwhii@acm.org				http://emle.org- http://also.as/cwhii		http://JulianLocals.comr   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:07:25 GMTn# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>b Subject: C.A. E-truste> Message-ID: <xAw78.205265$_w.33661174@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  E Without additional commentary on Computer Associates, which will onlyA6 depress me and will not be of valuable in my research,  L Does anyone have any familiarity or knowledg of CA's  E-Trust product on VMSL systems?  Our company has a smattering of almost every conceivable operatingL system, and a cohesive secuity auditing policy is absolutely necessary.  ButG I am not sure if this is the right thing for us to put on VMS.  I wouldh% appreciate any knowledgable comments.    thanks.s   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 08:40:17 -0600c- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)g3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen:3 Message-ID: <w22kBP8rUMNx@eisner.encompasserve.org>2  m In article <20020202183557.0e62343c.roland@barmettler.net>, Roland Barmettler <roland@barmettler.net> writes:o > --=.vZGLR?PYLLrCrU, > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitr >  > Hi > , > This may be a stupid question, but anyway:C > Up to VMS 7.2-x there was a nice "digital" logo on the DECwindowsa@ > login screen. Since 7.3 it became a rather ugly "Compaq" logo.E > Does anybody know how to change that back ? Is it an bitmap of some5' > sort or hardcoded into the X server ?c >   B    If you're not running CDE, you can display anything you want byH    defining decw$login_background to the .com or .exe file.  Be carefull;    what you choose, as it is running in privileged context.t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:18:39 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>N3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen-2 Message-ID: <elA78.405$am1.17264@news.cpqcorp.net>  K Since this subject has come up.  I am lobbying to change the logo to a nicev VMS "shark" logo.e  J If anyone has alternative logo's they want to send me... oh.  I'm serious,< so try to resist the urge to send funny and/or obscene ones.   _Freda    Bob Koehler wrote in message ...C >In article <20020202183557.0e62343c.roland@barmettler.net>, Roland * Barmettler <roland@barmettler.net> writes: >> --=.vZGLR?PYLLrCrUd- >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCIIe" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> Hi  >>- >> This may be a stupid question, but anyway:lD >> Up to VMS 7.2-x there was a nice "digital" logo on the DECwindowsA >> login screen. Since 7.3 it became a rather ugly "Compaq" logo.mF >> Does anybody know how to change that back ? Is it an bitmap of some( >> sort or hardcoded into the X server ? >> >tC >   If you're not running CDE, you can display anything you want by I >   defining decw$login_background to the .com or .exe file.  Be carefulln< >   what you choose, as it is running in privileged context. >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:34:31 +0100t1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>o3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screenm5 Message-ID: <3C5ED437.78F3C7D7@swissonline.delete.ch>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > M > Since this subject has come up.  I am lobbying to change the logo to a nice  > VMS "shark" logo.i > L > If anyone has alternative logo's they want to send me... oh.  I'm serious,> > so try to resist the urge to send funny and/or obscene ones. >  > _Fredi    H I'm an Australian and sharks really don't appeal - except as the fish in fish-and-chips.:  F How about something a bit more like proper marketing ?  One or two bigG words to catch the eye of anyone walking past....or a logo that somehow  comments on the industry...      John McLeana   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:45:00 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>h3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen 2 Message-ID: <YJA78.406$am1.17379@news.cpqcorp.net>  J The "shark" logo is a swimming shark, with "OpenVMS" written near the top.  K Don't know what "proper marketing" is.  The shark logo is eye catching, andu looks slick.  2 Just the words "Compaq OpenVMS" doesn't excite me.      I John McLean wrote in message <3C5ED437.78F3C7D7@swissonline.delete.ch>...s >t >  >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:l >>I >> Since this subject has come up.  I am lobbying to change the logo to as nice >> VMS "shark" logo. >>D >> If anyone has alternative logo's they want to send me... oh.  I'm serious,? >> so try to resist the urge to send funny and/or obscene ones.m >> >> _Fred >  >iI >I'm an Australian and sharks really don't appeal - except as the fish int >fish-and-chips. >yG >How about something a bit more like proper marketing ?  One or two bigfH >words to catch the eye of anyone walking past....or a logo that somehow >comments on the industry... >  >a >John McLean   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:49:46 +0100eE From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>I0 Subject: Re: CTLPAGES - Monitoring Free P1 Space+ Message-ID: <3C5E917A.4D8D1DC5@mediasec.de>   K When LOGINOUT starts, P1 space will be defined. As the lowest part of it iseN always reserved to the user-mode stack so that this can grow dynamically, someL other areas used for memory allocation need definition at this point. One ofD these is CTLPAGES, used by the CLI (e.g., DCL) for its internal dataH structures. (There are similar values for, e.g., RMS - PIOPAGES comes toJ mind - and for the inner mode stacks: even seen a "kernel stack not valid"G crash?). Because of this design, such areas cannot "grow" once they areo	 defined. s  J DCL uses CTLPAGES to put symbols and logical names in, among other things.K There is also a dynamic memory area that can be used to communicate between-7 image invocations - I'm not sure where this comes from.:  L This said, there is no easy mechanism to check whether you're running out ofH CTLPAGES. This being pageable memory, and memory being cheap, the trade-I offs from VAX-11/780 days (~people sharing a machine with 4 MB) no longer.I apply, and there is really no reason not to use a lavish (pre-)allocation G of CTLPAGES. A program that runs out of P1 space (the possible counter-bM argument to this approach) is very rare, and I'd venture to say ill designed.    	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 08:32:48 -0600p- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l Subject: Re: curses on OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <AAPsCqN2yRZV@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  l In article <f9dc0a5a.0202010803.4e858b9c@posting.google.com>, tony.cheung@asiayeah.com (Tony Cheung) writes: > E > I've read about the curses implementations of OpenVMS and know thatcD > it's not 100% compatible with other curses. Is that still true for > OpenVMS v7.3?r  G    VMS supports two flavors of curses:  a slightly VMS-specific flavor,v=    and BSD UNIX flavor.  If you want SVID you're out of luck.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:07:41 +0100e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>F. Subject: Re: DEC ALPHA ES40 Equipment For Sale) Message-ID: <3C5E879D.C62BFC27@gtech.com>s   Michael Heiming wrote:" > This is a newsgroup not a bazar!
 > Try ebay....  3 1)  It is very common in many newsgroups (includingr!     this one) to advertise stuff.h  8 2)  Most readers find advertising of hardware capable of6     running VMS lots of more interesting and than some7     peoples opinion about what the higher management ofd     Compaq should do.t   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 00:52:31 -0800e( From: giese@volkswerft.de (Rainer Giese) Subject: Disk I/O queued= Message-ID: <2f256f8d.0202040052.12979d0d@posting.google.com>   C I'm watching a disk (MONITOR DISKS/ITEM=QUEUE) having a constant(!) D number of outstanding IOrequests of some hundreds, even if there are1 no IOs, no open files and no users on the system.t  E If I DISMOUNT/CLUSTER the disk, the current value goes to zero. After F mounting the disk again, the constant high value is back again. In anyA way, there seem to be no problems to accessing the disk and their=B shares (It's a unit on a HSZ-Controller served via Advanced Server 7.2).s  5 What may be the reason for this and how to solve it ?3   Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:59:36 +0100=E From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>= Subject: Re: Disk I/O queue-+ Message-ID: <3C5EA1D8.E8ACB5FB@mediasec.de>0  N IIRC, there's a bug in the GETSPI/MONITOR interface that was introduced, this; causes the problem. There should be a patch kit for this...:   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 04 Feb 2002 22:55:23 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Disk I/O queuea- Message-ID: <87vgddb8kk.fsf@prep.synonet.com>K  * giese@volkswerft.de (Rainer Giese) writes:  E > I'm watching a disk (MONITOR DISKS/ITEM=QUEUE) having a constant(!)aF > number of outstanding IOrequests of some hundreds, even if there are3 > no IOs, no open files and no users on the system.i  ; > If I DISMOUNT/CLUSTER the disk, the current value goes tooF > zero. After mounting the disk again, the constant high value is backB > again. In any way, there seem to be no problems to accessing theC > disk and their shares (It's a unit on a HSZ-Controller served viaa > Advanced Server 7.2).e  d7 > What may be the reason for this and how to solve it ?oA There is a bug in VMS, and the values in the performance databasee? are in error. This affects monitor, amds or any thing else that > uses the locations. There may be a patch for it by now, but it is a know problem.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.-@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 09:35:46 -0600Y0 From: Patrick Spinler <spinler.patrick@mayo.edu>$ Subject: Re: emacs21 almost working?( Message-ID: <3C5AB5D2.41D32D9B@mayo.edu>   Roar:.  C I'm getting a "-SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareablesF image" error on "...[SYSLIB]SECURESHRP.EXE" when I attempt to run your prebuild binaries.  G May I ask for a quick guideline on the build procedure you're using ? =h  ' I'll attempt to rebuild it myself here.a   Thanks,  -- Pat   Roar Thron=E6s wrote:t > =   + > Roar Thron=E6s <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote:  > =   7 > : "Distribution" is at ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/vms/emacs  > =   , > New one at emacs211_4.bck.gz. (Almost 40M) > =.  7 > (Start it with mcr []temacs_d -l loadup, for example)a > =d  @ > Now it actually can be used for editing and some other things. > =e  , > Feedback, debuggers and developers needed. > =l  @ > : SYSTEM-F-ASTFLT, AST fault, SP=3D00000000, param=3D00000000,J > : PC=3D0000000000000000, PS=3D00000000, target PC=3DFFFFFFFF80A50B44, P= S=3D0000001B > =g  ! > : Those errors are still there. * > : I have no idea about what causes them. > =   J > I suspect it has something to do with new emacs timer functionality, bu= t have% > still no idea what happens and why.s > =o  & > : There are still keyboard problems.J > : If typing does not work (especially ESC) do a stop and go on the debu= gger.u > =a  6 > It works now. (A struct input_event needed a bzero.) > =   
 > Regards, > Roar Thron=E6s   -- =  ?       This message does not represent the policies or positions 1 	     of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidiaries.r3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDU '   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-9485y   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:03:06 -0800 (PST). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>$ Subject: Errlog.sys - CORRUPTED !!!!@ Message-ID: <20020204180306.90645.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>   I am having a problem with Errlog.sys in OpenVMS 7.1-1H2e  
 $ ANAL/ERR   %ERF-E-READERR, error readingi  SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSERR]ERRLOG.SYS;71 -RMS-W-RTB, 5716 byte record too large for user's  buffer     And the file charact. are:  3 RRLOG.SYS;7                  File ID:  (10361,56,0)e0 Size:         4155/4158       Owner:    [SYSTEM]" Created:    4-JUL-2000 16:21:50.26* Revised:    4-FEB-2002 15:27:36.80 (22571) Expires:   <None specified> " Backup:     4-FEB-2002 09:50:50.89 Effective: <None specified>r Recording: <None specified>d File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online0 File attributes:    Allocation: 4158, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0$                     No version limit5 Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes,  longest 7142 bytes4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None6 File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World: Access Cntrl List:  None  $ Total of 4 files, 8312/12483 blocks. $       " Is there a way to recover it ?????   Regardsr       =====y ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilt fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?3 Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! o http://auctions.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:20:52 -0500> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>( Subject: RE: Errlog.sys - CORRUPTED !!!!M Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D0160275B@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>     What disk storage are you using?   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadwayo Albany, NY  12204i USA  518-487-3255 John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.como  ) I post personal opinion only, and all thew* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my) views in no way represent my employer(s).o+ One should also take note of the Electronicn) Communications Privacy Act of 1986, whiche+ imposes civil and criminal liability on any-( person who intentionally intercepts "any( wire, oral or electronic communication."   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br].) > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:03 PMn > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComC& > Subject: Errlog.sys - CORRUPTED !!!! >=20 >=20 > I am having a problem with > Errlog.sys in OpenVMS 7.1-1H2p >=20 > $ ANAL/ERR >=20 > %ERF-E-READERR, error readingt" > SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSERR]ERRLOG.SYS;73 > -RMS-W-RTB, 5716 byte record too large for user'se > buffer >=20 >=20 > And the file charact. are: >=205 > RRLOG.SYS;7                  File ID:  (10361,56,0)o2 > Size:         4155/4158       Owner:    [SYSTEM]$ > Created:    4-JUL-2000 16:21:50.26, > Revised:    4-FEB-2002 15:27:36.80 (22571) > Expires:   <None specified> $ > Backup:     4-FEB-2002 09:50:50.89 > Effective: <None specified>  > Recording: <None specified>c  > File organization:  Sequential > Shelved state:      Online2 > File attributes:    Allocation: 4158, Extend: 0, > Global buffer count: 0& >                     No version limit7 > Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes,a > longest 7142 bytes6 > Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control > RMS attributes:     None > Journaling enabled: None8 > File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, > World: > Access Cntrl List:  None >=20& > Total of 4 files, 8312/12483 blocks. > $m >=20 >=20 >=20$ > Is there a way to recover it ????? >=20	 > Regardsg >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  > =VI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=k =3D=3D > F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazilr > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > =mI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=d =3D=3D >=204 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?7 > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions!=20c > http://auctions.yahoo.comt >=20   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:31:21 GMTg1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> ( Subject: Re: Errlog.sys - CORRUPTED !!!!2 Message-ID: <3C5ED479.3D723B24@clarityconnect.com>  E You will probably need to use DECevent on this as ANALYZE/ERROR is no1# longer supported on OpenVMS Alpha. u: http://www.support.compaq.com/svctools/decevent/index.html5 Once you have DECevent installed you can simply do a a/ DIAG SYS$ERRORLOG:ERRLOG.SYS;7/OUTPUT=file.ext e   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > I am having a problem with > Errlog.sys in OpenVMS 7.1-1H2c >  > $ ANAL/ERR >  > %ERF-E-READERR, error readingd" > SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSERR]ERRLOG.SYS;73 > -RMS-W-RTB, 5716 byte record too large for user'su > buffer >  > And the file charact. are: > 5 > RRLOG.SYS;7                  File ID:  (10361,56,0)-2 > Size:         4155/4158       Owner:    [SYSTEM]$ > Created:    4-JUL-2000 16:21:50.26, > Revised:    4-FEB-2002 15:27:36.80 (22571) > Expires:   <None specified>8$ > Backup:     4-FEB-2002 09:50:50.89 > Effective: <None specified>3 > Recording: <None specified>d  > File organization:  Sequential > Shelved state:      Online2 > File attributes:    Allocation: 4158, Extend: 0, > Global buffer count: 0& >                     No version limit7 > Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes,  > longest 7142 bytes6 > Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control > RMS attributes:     None > Journaling enabled: None8 > File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, > World: > Access Cntrl List:  None > & > Total of 4 files, 8312/12483 blocks. > $g > $ > Is there a way to recover it ????? > 	 > Regardso >  > =====e > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?4 > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.comb   -- sD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:47:02 GMT5 From: "MX" <mx@yeah.net>' Subject: Expert at HTML, JavaScript...?e( Message-ID: <a3m6ls$lkq$1@mail.cn99.com>   Are you guys expert at HTML, JavaScript, Internet Protocol, Window Sockets, and 101 many other things?  We have a very special browser for you.l  ( * Customize web pages in ways you like. 9 * Prevent malicious web sites from invading your system. e? * Restrict any applications' connections to the outside world. hB * Chat or exchange files with people without a server in between. H * Trace the Windows Socket activities that underlie network applications
 ..........  % Visit http://alanet.51.net/ for more!d   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:12:57 -0000- From: Martin Walker <Martin.Walker@csf.co.uk>-4 Subject: RE: Export Monitor Data to CSV file, Excel?N Message-ID: <0262A6086BFBD411959500508B69C5EA02A5235B@ThisAddressDoesNotExist>  6 Can I ask what the issue with fibrechannel & HSG80 is?  C I did find a problem with some data disks attached to KZPAC (SWXCR)hG controllers not being recorded but it has not caused a problem with theMD systems per se and I have not found any evidence that the data being2 collected is incorrect (just some fields missing).  I I tried to report the problem to Perfcap who referred me to Compaq - I am  awaiting their diagnosis.e   -----Original Message-----* From: pos [mailto:prosullivan@hotmail.com] Sent: 31 January 2002 23:27  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt4 Subject: Re: Export Monitor Data to CSV file, Excel?    K Careful of the 'free' ECP VMS collector. I understand that there is another-J issue with fiberchannel and HSG80. Because of the questoinable support forK the product, I have taken all my 5.4 versions off poduction VMS systems ande: am preparing to use the PerfCap replacement VMS collector.   All that glitters...    : "Martin Walker" <Martin.Walker@csf.co.uk> wrote in messageH news:0262A6086BFBD411959500508B69C5EA02A52275@ThisAddressDoesNotExist...L > I think if you install ECP (free download from the VMS capacity planning / > performance web siteJ > (http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/performance-and-capacity.html) it > includes this functionality. >. > -----Original Message-----B > From: PeterMoreton@hotmail.com [mailto:PeterMoreton@hotmail.com] > Sent: 28 January 2002 11:43e > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 > Subject: Export Monitor Data to CSV file, Excel? >s >  > Hi,_ >dE > I am looking for a way to get OpenVMS 6.2 Monitor data into a Comma D > Seperated file, for import into Excel. There have been a couple ofG > posts about this in the past, and a Compaq utility called "T4" sounds E > promising - except that I cannot find it anywhere! Does anyone know - > where T4 or a similar utility can be found?- >-	 > Thanks,o >0 > Peter Moreton4 > Principle Technology Ltd >5 >?B > This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may beH > legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise theA > sender immediately by return email and then delete it from yourt	 > system. C > The unauthorised use, distribution, copying or alteration of thislH > email is strictly forbidden. If you need assistance please contact the" > help desk on (+44)(0)870 8704820        A This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be lF legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the@ sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your  system. 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If you need assistance please contact the  help desk on (+44)(0)870 8704820   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 04:09:11 -0800 . From: lee.kielty@sussex.police.uk (Lee Kielty) Subject: Image Backup speedk= Message-ID: <2a652b01.0202040409.55438f39@posting.google.com>e  F I am trying to backup from a single  COMPAQ   BB01811C9C 18.gb disk to& a 3 volume COMPAQ BB01811C9C raid set.  * I am using VMS 7.2-1 Backup/Image command.  A I have initialized the new RAID set with a cluster size of 18 thet' original disk has a cluster size of 35.u  D The disks are controlled by a dual redundant pair of HSJ40's running firmware rev V37J1.-  F This backup is taking an extremely long time to complete or to be more= precise I have been unable to complete in the downtime windowS	 provided.D  F I aborted the backup after 8 hours I estimate that it would have taken1 at least 12 hours and up to 18 hours to complete.e  + Can anyone shed any light on the following:b   Is this a feature?  = Is it related to the difference in cluster size on the disks?t  9 Do you have any suggestions on how I may speed things up?    Thanks,t   Leel   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:20:49 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Image Backup speed ) Message-ID: <3C5E7CA1.58C88AF0@127.0.0.1>m   Lee Kielty wrote:? > H > I am trying to backup from a single  COMPAQ   BB01811C9C 18.gb disk to( > a 3 volume COMPAQ BB01811C9C raid set.  H > This backup is taking an extremely long time to complete or to be more? > precise I have been unable to complete in the downtime windowr > provided.e  G Raidsets have extremely poor write performance, how much cache have youaG in the HSJ's? Is it enabled? IIRC it is not enabled by default when youe create a raidset.t  H There are WIS articles available with a support contract that advises onG process parameters for backup performance, that is, if you're not doingr this standalone.  D There are a few other tricks like increasing the extent size, makingG sure highwater marking is off on the source disk [and not forced to thevD target disk]. How badly fragmented is the source disk, this can slow things down.  G Check out the setup of the controllers first, and report back with moreLG detail of what you're doing (the command), a SH DEV / FULL disk of each 
 would help   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot comm   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:41:19 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>b Subject: Re: Image Backup speeds1 Message-ID: <3C5E816F.F39C92DF@BlueBubble.UK.Com>-   Lee Kielty wrote:,  H > I am trying to backup from a single  COMPAQ   BB01811C9C 18.gb disk to( > a 3 volume COMPAQ BB01811C9C raid set. >/, > I am using VMS 7.2-1 Backup/Image command. >.C > I have initialized the new RAID set with a cluster size of 18 the ) > original disk has a cluster size of 35.  >uF > The disks are controlled by a dual redundant pair of HSJ40's running > firmware rev V37J1.2 >:H > This backup is taking an extremely long time to complete or to be more? > precise I have been unable to complete in the downtime windows > provided.d >RH > I aborted the backup after 8 hours I estimate that it would have taken3 > at least 12 hours and up to 18 hours to complete.s >o- > Can anyone shed any light on the following:o >e > Is this a feature? >h? > Is it related to the difference in cluster size on the disks?  >s; > Do you have any suggestions on how I may speed things up?h   Hi Lee !  5 (in addition to what Nic Clews has already suggested)a  A if I remember correctly, your HSJ40s were setup to either disablerA the writeback cache, or to use the default value of 32 blocks fornB the MAXIMUM_CACHED_TRANSFER_SIZE.  I suggest increasing this valueB to its maximum of 1024 blocks.  Monitor the throughput using VTDPY on the HSJs.  
 Best regards,   	 Roy Omondt Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:58:11 GMTi# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>c Subject: Re: Image Backup speed 8 Message-ID: <7kx78.39$Gb1.13054@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  F This is partially a recap of some of the other responses you received.  K Are you using Stand-alone or On-line backup?  There are some VERY IMPORTANTiJ process parameters involved in backup.  DIOLM, FILLM, WSQUOTA etc...  EvenC if you are using Stand-Alone backup, there are ways to modify these:E parameters when you create SA Backup.  (At least there was on VAX.  IoK haven't tried this on Alpha yet).  See the DSN or WIS articles about backup  tuning.r  J Also, your HSJ40 is pretty old and slow.  Are all of the disks in the RaidF set on different scsi busses?  Is the source disk on one of these scsiE busses as well?  Scsi contention can be a problem here.  Is WriteBack # caching turned on for the Raid Set?o    ; "Lee Kielty" <lee.kielty@sussex.police.uk> wrote in messageo7 news:2a652b01.0202040409.55438f39@posting.google.com...nH > I am trying to backup from a single  COMPAQ   BB01811C9C 18.gb disk to( > a 3 volume COMPAQ BB01811C9C raid set. >t, > I am using VMS 7.2-1 Backup/Image command. >tC > I have initialized the new RAID set with a cluster size of 18 the ) > original disk has a cluster size of 35.0 >pF > The disks are controlled by a dual redundant pair of HSJ40's running > firmware rev V37J1.= >0H > This backup is taking an extremely long time to complete or to be more? > precise I have been unable to complete in the downtime windoww > provided.  >eH > I aborted the backup after 8 hours I estimate that it would have taken3 > at least 12 hours and up to 18 hours to complete.p > - > Can anyone shed any light on the following:  >t > Is this a feature? > ? > Is it related to the difference in cluster size on the disks?  >a; > Do you have any suggestions on how I may speed things up?  >r	 > Thanks,o >i > Leeo >i   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:09:06 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Intel 'Education'0 Message-ID: <6Cw78.16518$liz.486@news2.bloor.is>  F Interesting topics, things that professionals should have some, if not intimate familiarity.c  K However, one has to wonder how Intel gets away with such BS - alluding that92 these sorts of things are only possible on Itanic.  ! http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?169054E  D Guess it all goes back to P.T. Barum....'There's a sucker born every minute."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:09:06 +0200# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Intel 'Education'Q Message-ID: <1037270357C4D411A1C900A0C9D4BFCB6470A4@hqnts40div01.academy.kiev.ua>   F Interesting topics, things that professionals should have some, if not intimate familiarity.0  K However, one has to wonder how Intel gets away with such BS - alluding thatg2 these sorts of things are only possible on Itanic.  ! http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?169054   D Guess it all goes back to P.T. Barum....'There's a sucker born every minute."       begin 600 Org_Mail_Info.txtm= M#0H-"BTM+2TM4V-A;DUA:6PZ($]R:6=I;F%L($UE<W-A9V4@26YF;W)M871It= M;VXM+2TM+0T*1G)O;3H@2F]H;B!3;6ET:`T*4V5N=#H@,#(O,#0O,C`P,B`Ql= M-CHP.3HQ-`T*5&\Z(`T*4W5B:F5C=#H@26YT96P@)T5D=6-A=&EO;B<@#0H-,= M"BTM+2TM4V-A;DUA:6PZ(%)O=71I;F<@1&]M86EN($EN9F]R;6%T:6]N(&9O4= M<B!33510(&UA:6PM+2TM+0T*4&%T:#H@8V%R<FEE<BYK:65V+G5A(6YE=W,Na= M:VEE=BYS;W9A;2YC;VTA4W9I=&]N;&EN92Y#3TTA;F5W<V9E960N9V%M;6$Ns= M<G4A1V%M;6$N4E4A9&ES<&]S92YN97=S+F1E;6]N+FYE="%D96UO;B%D:6%Bi= M;&\N;F5T8V]M+FYE="YU:R%N971C;VTN;F5T+G5K(6YE<FEM+FYE="%G:71O_= M>65N(69R965N:7@A<VMY;F5T+F)E(7-K>6YE="YB92%T96QE9VQO8F4N;F5Tt= M(71E;&5G;&]B92YN970A=&5L96=L;V)E+FYE="$V-BXQ.#4N.#8N,30S+DU)a= M4TU!5$-((6YE=W,P,RYB;&]O<BYI<R%N97=S,BYB;&]O<BYI<RY03U-4140A2= M,3)D8S9C9C4S86(R-S4P(6YO="UF;W(M;6%I;`T*1G)O;3H@(DIO:&X@4VUIs= M=&@B(#QA0&YO;GEM;W5S+F-O;3X-"DYE=W-G<F]U<',Z(&-O;7`N;W,N=FUSe= M#0I3=6)J96-T.B!);G1E;"`G161U8V%T:6]N)R`-"DQI;F5S.B`Q,@T*6"U0.= M<FEO<FET>3H@,PT*6"U-4TUA:6PM4')I;W)I='DZ($YO<FUA;`T*6"U.97=Sn= M<F5A9&5R.B!-:6-R;W-O9G0@3W5T;&]O:R!%>'!R97-S(#4N,#`N,S`Q."XQx= M,S`P#0I8+4UI;65/3$4Z(%!R;V1U8V5D($)Y($UI8W)O<V]F="!-:6UE3TQ%5= M(%8U+C`P+C,P,3@N,3,P,`T*365S<V%G92U)1#H@/#9#=S<X+C$V-3$X)&QI = M>BXT.#9`;F5W<S(N8FQO;W(N:7,^#0I$871E.B!-;VXL(#`T($9E8B`R,#`Rd= M(#$T.C`Y.C`V($=-5`T*3DY44"U0;W-T:6YG+4AO<W0Z(#(T+C$P,BXQ,C4Ny= M-@T*6"U#;VUP;&%I;G1S+51O.B!A8G5S94!R;V=E<G,N8V]M#0I8+51R86-Eo= M.B!N97=S,BYB;&]O<BYI<R`Q,#$R.#,Q-S0V(#(T+C$P,BXQ,C4N-B`H36]Nm1 B+"`P-"!&96(@,C`P,B`P.3HP.3HP-B!%4U0I#0I.3E10+0==t `e enda   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 15:08:00 -0000g= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>. Subject: Re: Intel 'Education'6 Message-ID: <20020204150800.20227.qmail@gacracker.org>  9 On Mon, 04 Feb 2002, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:eG >Interesting topics, things that professionals should have some, if notF >intimate familiarity. > L >However, one has to wonder how Intel gets away with such BS - alluding that3 >these sorts of things are only possible on Itanic.a > " >http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?169054 > E >Guess it all goes back to P.T. Barum....'There's a sucker born everyS	 >minute."r  H Actually, what Barnum said is in my .sig. The "sucker born every minute"9 comes from the media at the time who reported it as such.2     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.neta   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:08:00 +0200= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>b Subject: Re: Intel 'Education'Q Message-ID: <1037270357C4D411A1C900A0C9D4BFCB647457@hqnts40div01.academy.kiev.ua>t  9 On Mon, 04 Feb 2002, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:tG >Interesting topics, things that professionals should have some, if not: >intimate familiarity. >fL >However, one has to wonder how Intel gets away with such BS - alluding that3 >these sorts of things are only possible on Itanic.D >=" >http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?169054 >3E >Guess it all goes back to P.T. Barum....'There's a sucker born every 	 >minute."o  H Actually, what Barnum said is in my .sig. 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 128 MB mem 1 x 1GB + 1x 4GB disko CD 19" DEC monitor0C All licenses as received with original purchase (VMS, Cluster etc.).I Also have the original owner's manuals , cables etc. (actually everythingM but the packing!)r' All in good working order (running now)yJ This was my main dev (and home) system for 5 years and as such has lots of5 extras if you are an avid explorer of virtual attics.   H Would like (9/18GB) FW disks (Suitable for DPW or pizza box) or big flat! monitor (PC Compatible) or .... ?n  E Location: Central London (UK)- as I don't drive pick up is essential!o     Regardse   Paul                ' ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **a  D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleaseAB  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
  your system.M  =  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure orbA  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, >  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context ofm?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.2   D  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office t=  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly BA  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so l3  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.p  D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:23:59 +0200s2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>* Subject: Re: Memo:  AXP 3000-400 available+ Message-ID: <3C5EA78F.7771B9EC@digital.com>i  D I seem to recall the phrase "going spare" as meaning something other than "becoming redundant"...t   Sorry, could'nt resist.l   Mike   paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:  >  > Folksr > K > I have an AXP 3000-400 (133mz) going spare and would like to trade it fore.                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > something useful  
 ...snipped...s --  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------tE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.c? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*lF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----h Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 04:38:58 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)b5 Subject: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a monthp3 Message-ID: <jRL39koNQTVB@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  8 From: http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/17874-1.html  G > Microsoft Corp. today announced a month-long moratorium on new codingdH > as part of its Trustworthy Computing Initiative, said Richard Purcell,C > director of the companyas corporate computing office. "We are notrD > coding new code as of today for the next month," Purcell said at aC > privacy and data security summit in Washington that was sponsoredeG > by the Corporation of Privacy Officers. Instead, the company is goinguG > to go over its old code as a first step in cleaning out bugs. PurcelltG > likened it to a 20-year spring cleaning. "It's time to get the garageCC > cleaned out," he said. Describing the state of computing today asg@ > unstable and unreliable, he said Microsoft chairman Bill GatesC > "is really annoyed by the incredible pain we put everyone throughe > in computing."  A Obviously Bill Gates could not possibly be as annoyed as the resta of us.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:09:16 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a monthk) Message-ID: <3C5E79EC.A2BCFA16@127.0.0.1>a   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > : > From: http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/17874-1.htmlE > > cleaned out," he said. Describing the state of computing today aseB > > unstable and unreliable, he said Microsoft chairman Bill GatesE > > "is really annoyed by the incredible pain we put everyone through- > > in computing."  H This is obviously a new usage of the word "everyone" I wasn't previously aware of. *I  ( 'My' VMS systems don't give me any pain.  F * Slightly in honour of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy release on DVD, thoroughly recommended.   -- d( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:37:53 -0500e1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> 9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a monthe2 Message-ID: <3C5E9CC1.6457FBEC@firstdbasource.com>  E I think EVERYONE who uses a PC is painfully aware of the grabage theyhG have produced.   I have 2 PC (W98 and WME) which I must reboot at leastr? once a day. Generally because I usually have 10-15 apps runningo0 concurrently, multiple Reflection sessions, etc.   -- k   Regards,  @ Michael Austin Currently Available for Service Remote or Onsite.7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.comr President/Sr. DBA Consultant     Nic Clews wrote: >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >c< > > From: http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/17874-1.htmlG > > > cleaned out," he said. Describing the state of computing today as-D > > > unstable and unreliable, he said Microsoft chairman Bill GatesG > > > "is really annoyed by the incredible pain we put everyone through  > > > in computing." > J > This is obviously a new usage of the word "everyone" I wasn't previously
 > aware of. *u > * > 'My' VMS systems don't give me any pain. > H > * Slightly in honour of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy release on > DVD, thoroughly recommended. >  > --* > Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences > nclews at csc dot comn   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:59:45 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month = Message-ID: <Blx78.26794$%h1.9874764@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>o  > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message, news:3C5E9CC1.6457FBEC@firstdbasource.com...G > I think EVERYONE who uses a PC is painfully aware of the grabage they I > have produced.   I have 2 PC (W98 and WME) which I must reboot at leasttA > once a day. Generally because I usually have 10-15 apps runninge2 > concurrently, multiple Reflection sessions, etc.  C Not surprising. What *is* surprising is the fact that consumers who F purchased the Windows 98 virus cheerfully paid incremental revenue forK Second Edition and Millennium Edition. In a nutshell, Second Edition and ME * are more robust strains of the same virus.  G Verily, all and sundry have been dumbed down into accepting--and payingmJ through the nose for--mediocre, flawed products. That's the Microsoft Way.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 10:54:43 -0600-- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)M9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a monthe3 Message-ID: <t$PFbocb0sao@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  T In article <3C5E79EC.A2BCFA16@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> n; >> From: http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/17874-1.html F >> > cleaned out," he said. Describing the state of computing today asC >> > unstable and unreliable, he said Microsoft chairman Bill GatesaF >> > "is really annoyed by the incredible pain we put everyone through >> > in computing."h > J > This is obviously a new usage of the word "everyone" I wasn't previously
 > aware of. *a > * > 'My' VMS systems don't give me any pain.  : The VMS systems don't give you the pain -- Microsoft does.  C Are you claiming that in reading newsgroups from VMS you have neverB2 been bothered by all the chatter about "viruses" ?  C Are you claiming nobody has ever sent bloated HTML mail to your VMS.; system because their Microsoft product defaulted that way ?b   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:04:22 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>c9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a monthe5 Message-ID: <3C5EBF16.A8698704@swissonline.delete.ch>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:h > @ > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message. > news:3C5E9CC1.6457FBEC@firstdbasource.com...I > > I think EVERYONE who uses a PC is painfully aware of the grabage theynK > > have produced.   I have 2 PC (W98 and WME) which I must reboot at leastaC > > once a day. Generally because I usually have 10-15 apps running 4 > > concurrently, multiple Reflection sessions, etc. > E > Not surprising. What *is* surprising is the fact that consumers who H > purchased the Windows 98 virus cheerfully paid incremental revenue forM > Second Edition and Millennium Edition. In a nutshell, Second Edition and MEi, > are more robust strains of the same virus. > I > Verily, all and sundry have been dumbed down into accepting--and payingtL > through the nose for--mediocre, flawed products. That's the Microsoft Way.    G I am so tired of Microsoft claiming that security problems are industryaF wide that I have sent off an email to ttemin@gcn.com who is one of the editors at http://gcn.com/.f  E Last week I sent a email to www.forbes.com about similar comments.  IEB also told them they were wrong when they said that Compaq had made profits on PCs last year.-  G I am getting very tired of the poor reporting that purports to be Fact,m9 when it is nothing more than a rehash of a press release.-     John McLeanD   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:10:22 GMTo From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG 9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month,0 Message-ID: <00A090FD.6228B424@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <t$PFbocb0sao@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:9U >In article <3C5E79EC.A2BCFA16@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:  >> Larry Kilgallen wrote:f >>> < >>> From: http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/17874-1.htmlG >>> > cleaned out," he said. Describing the state of computing today as.D >>> > unstable and unreliable, he said Microsoft chairman Bill GatesG >>> > "is really annoyed by the incredible pain we put everyone through+ >>> > in computing." >> +K >> This is obviously a new usage of the word "everyone" I wasn't previously  >> aware of. * >> <+ >> 'My' VMS systems don't give me any pain.\ >5; >The VMS systems don't give you the pain -- Microsoft does.( >9D >Are you claiming that in reading newsgroups from VMS you have never3 >been bothered by all the chatter about "viruses" ?5 >(D >Are you claiming nobody has ever sent bloated HTML mail to your VMS< >system because their Microsoft product defaulted that way ?    C I complain because I'll get simple 3, 4, or 5 line notes sent to me`D as M$ word attachments instead of plain old text.  As if the M$ wordD bloat wasn't enough, the attachment is then base64 encoded making it even larger!   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM+            TJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes(   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:15:07 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>9 Subject: RE: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month4- Message-ID: <0033000050846828000002L082*@MHS>-  A =0AIt appears to be a new usage of the word "innovating" as well.s   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET2( Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 12:05 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET9 Subject: RE: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a monthi    H In article <3C5E79EC.A2BCFA16@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0= 0.1>  writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>; >> From: http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/17874-1.html.F >> > cleaned out," he said. Describing the state of computing today asC >> > unstable and unreliable, he said Microsoft chairman Bill GatesiF >> > "is really annoyed by the incredible pain we put everyone through >> > in computing."t > H > This is obviously a new usage of the word "everyone" I wasn't previou= sly 
 > aware of. *r >r* > 'My' VMS systems don't give me any pain.  : The VMS systems don't give you the pain -- Microsoft does.  C Are you claiming that in reading newsgroups from VMS you have never-2 been bothered by all the chatter about "viruses" ?  C Are you claiming nobody has ever sent bloated HTML mail to your VMSk< system because their Microsoft product defaulted that way ?=   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:18:45 GMT,4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a montht= Message-ID: <Vnz78.26887$%h1.9947816@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>t  > "John McLean" <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message/ news:3C5EBF16.A8698704@swissonline.delete.ch.... >  >c > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:n > >sB > > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message0 > > news:3C5E9CC1.6457FBEC@firstdbasource.com...K > > > I think EVERYONE who uses a PC is painfully aware of the grabage they G > > > have produced.   I have 2 PC (W98 and WME) which I must reboot atI least/E > > > once a day. Generally because I usually have 10-15 apps running+6 > > > concurrently, multiple Reflection sessions, etc. > >HG > > Not surprising. What *is* surprising is the fact that consumers who4J > > purchased the Windows 98 virus cheerfully paid incremental revenue forL > > Second Edition and Millennium Edition. In a nutshell, Second Edition and ME. > > are more robust strains of the same virus. > >=K > > Verily, all and sundry have been dumbed down into accepting--and paying1I > > through the nose for--mediocre, flawed products. That's the Microsoft( Way. >, >,I > I am so tired of Microsoft claiming that security problems are industry8H > wide that I have sent off an email to ttemin@gcn.com who is one of the > editors at http://gcn.com/.  >TG > Last week I sent a email to www.forbes.com about similar comments.  I3D > also told them they were wrong when they said that Compaq had made > profits on PCs last year.< >9I > I am getting very tired of the poor reporting that purports to be Fact,+; > when it is nothing more than a rehash of a press release.   I Agreed. The Trade and Business Press isn't what it used to be... not by a=H long shot. At least back in the daze of Digital Review, et al, the TradeK Press was reasonably accurate from a technical standpoint. And the Business;B Press didn't posture itself as being an Authoritative Source of IT information.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 FEB 2002 14:53:52 GMTt4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)) Subject: Re: Pathworks/MS Network problem 5 Message-ID: <4FEB02.14535251@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>D  Z In a previous article, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk> wrote:  0 ->  VMS Alpha 7.2-1, PathWorks 6.0B, PDC ARNELAN5 ->  Win9x, PathWorks 7.1A, logon workgroup not domaina> ->  WinNT 4.0 SP6A, PathWorks 7.1A, logon workgroup not domain -> t= ->I logon the Win9x systems just fine as user "arne" passwordG1 ->"foobar". No problems - drives get mapped fine., -> eG ->I login the WinNT system as local user "arne" with password "foobar". G ->No problems. But when I try to map the drives as user "\ARNELAN\arne"sC ->then it does not work with password "foobar", but it do work withaD ->password "FOOBAR". So every time I logon the NT box I have to giveB ->the password in lowercase to NT and in uppercase for the shares. ->   ->And I do not understand why !t  @ NT cares about the case of passwords and Windows 9x doesn't. I'mF guessing here but it sounds like you've set the password for user arneE to "FOOBAR" in the SAM database (admin modify user arne/pass=foobar).lH The SAM database preserves case of passwords. If you change the passwordF for user arne to "foobar" using: admin modify user arne/pass="foobar",D then you should get the same behavior on both Win 98 and NT. You can, test this using the ADMIN LOGON command too.  F Remember that all values and parameters for DCL commands get passed asH uppercase unless they are enclosed in double quotes. That's why you need@ to enclose the password in double quotes (e.g. admin modify userE arne/pass="foobar") to store the password in lower case. But you knewl= that already - this DCL lesson was for the benefit of others.    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonc2 --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:16:20 -0600, From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>8 Subject: PIDs of processes created during system startup2 Message-ID: <a3mfb5$2sn$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  E Got a curiosity here that I've not been able to come up with a reason H for.  We had a DS20e, dual processor, OVMS 7.2-1, SYS V1 patch, that hasD consistently started up with all the processes showing external PIDsH starting at 200 for some time.  After an AUTOGEN where some changes wereH made (nothing I would expect to make a change like that... ACP parameterG bumps, QUANTUM reduced to 10, and normal tuning changes) the subsequentlA reboot had everything come up starting at PID 100.  Everything is*H running fine, so its just a matter of curiosity.  Unfortunately my IDSMsA are not currently available, and there didn't seem to be anything @ relevant in the FAQ or other readily accessible source.  Thanks!   Rich Jordana   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:24:33 +0000e- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>r< Subject: Re: PIDs of processes created during system startup1 Message-ID: <3C5EC3D1.44ABFCC5@BlueBubble.UK.Com>k   Rich Jordan wrote:  G > Got a curiosity here that I've not been able to come up with a reason J > for.  We had a DS20e, dual processor, OVMS 7.2-1, SYS V1 patch, that hasF > consistently started up with all the processes showing external PIDsJ > starting at 200 for some time.  After an AUTOGEN where some changes wereJ > made (nothing I would expect to make a change like that... ACP parameterI > bumps, QUANTUM reduced to 10, and normal tuning changes) the subsequentoC > reboot had everything come up starting at PID 100.  Everything is-J > running fine, so its just a matter of curiosity.  Unfortunately my IDSMsC > are not currently available, and there didn't seem to be anythingNB > relevant in the FAQ or other readily accessible source.  Thanks!  < You've almost certainly made your DS20 a (one-node) cluster.3 Check out the value of SYSGEN parameter VAXCLUSTER.i  	 Roy Omondo Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:03:54 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>m1 Subject: Re: Purveyor is superior for VMS - proof ) Message-ID: <3C5E86BA.2B7D61EF@gtech.com>u   Bob Ceculski wrote:pc > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<87d6zrcv9q.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...rG > > has anyone tried 'calling' a standard exe, not a sharable, as if it  > > was a sharable?s > I > isn't that what we are doing when we call from a c dll a dibol external  > subroutine exe in a library?   Very unlikely.  ) Image calling shreable image is standard.c  A Image calling executable image is very non-standard (but doable).    Arne   ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:00:40 GMT From: Andrew <otoxh@XOVVI.IT>i7 Subject: READ THE WEB-SITE THAT THE KIKES TRY TO CENSORt5 Message-ID: <36422265574582723176060@news.wanadoo.fr>d   WWW.GIWERSWORLD.ORGn' THE SITE WHERE ALL KIKES ARE LAMPSHADES    PROUDLY PRESENTED BY   MATTHIAS GIWER 14205 N. 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 TAMPA FLORIDA-   813-977-7380     jull43@tampabay.rr.com matt@giwersworld.org     PROUDLY HOSTED BY:   DREAMHOST WEB HOSTINGM   213-947-1032      C Both moulding now, Mary and Steven pulled the pretty kiosks around   smart lemon.    K It expected, you kicked, yet Tamara never actually answered in back of the a= road.  All lost eggs are bizarre and other solid tailors are  C healthy, but will Evan dream that?  Elisabeth, still recommending,  @ shouts almost happily, as the frog burns alongside their case.    H Roxanne!  You'll join yogis.  Tomorrow, I'll explain the fig.  Will you P comb beside the market, if Patty locally plays the cup?  We grasp them, then we B wistfully kill Courtney and Greg's urban exit.  It will learn the ? weird dose and believe it above its autumn.  As mercilessly as C= Jonathan moves, you can talk the farmer much more wickedly.  -G It might creep easy disks, do you order them?  What will we seek after tA Darcy likes the young room's pickle?  To be blunt or humble will "> judge glad kettles to slowly fill.  It can attack finitely if C Fred's hat isn't rich.  Lots of weak cobblers taste Mary, and they t> eventually smell Kenneth too.  Why will you scold the shallow A fat plates before Anne does?  What Oris's sour shoe climbs, Mark  D nibbles outside elder, rude summers.  Her can was bitter, dark, and C cleans before the swamp.  Try irritating the moon's sharp twig and r4 Larry will laugh you!  There, go depart a teacher!    F If the clever stickers can love virtually, the dry tree may help more  stadiums.  a  = She can eerily wander sick and calls our worthwhile, distant lK films without a ladder.  They are cooking in front of the river now, won't cC excuse oranges later.  The weaver inside the difficult hill is the c? bandage that receives regularly.  The upper tape rarely covers i& Alexandra, it measures Anne instead.     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:37:15 -0600'0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com> Subject: RPC "Hello"C Message-ID: <NDBBJFNBJJHKADILJHIJOEIFHCAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>x    OpenVMS 7.2-1h1  Alpha GS160  L Is there an easy way to send a "hello" RPC message from VMS?  I need to testG the functionality of an RPC Server running on a NT machine by sending a:# status check every once in a while.<   Thanks!n   Artn   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:47:53 -0500; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>M# Subject: Systems & Options CatalogseK Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75004BC5CBA@rlghncst625.usps.gov>n   Offered as one lot.C   First one to provide me with e prepaid shipping and address v	 gets 'em.    2 - Jan 1995 1 - Nov 1997 1 - Apr 1998 1 - Jan 1999 =============================- William W. Webb, EDS c& c/o USPS DSSC OpenVMS Support Services. 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616 919 874 3043      ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:30:27 +0100 (MET)t9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: tcpip; Message-ID: <01KDVFTMTRD48Y62A4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  J > So there is not a single mechanism that will search all the possibilitesL > for you.  This should probably be added to VMS.  A SHOW VERB command could? > look in all the places that DCL currently looks for commands,mJ > incorporating the current VERB and the extras mentioned above.  Maybe inF > an alternate universe where there are lots of VMS engineers standing% > around with nothing better to do...1  # There is a port of which to VMS....2   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:12:28 +0200o2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: Re: tcpip+ Message-ID: <3C5EA4DC.458DA49F@digital.com>a  C If you just want to find the name of the image you are running, trya	 typing ^T 4 (i.e. control-T) whish should give some information.E In the case of TC the image name is UCX$TRACE, which you will find inn SYS$SYSTEM.r     Mike   Tom Linden wrote:  > N > In answer to you question, no.  In this case typing tc produced some output, > i.eoM > it invoked some command.  So the more general question is how do you locatee > suchN > an animal.  BTW 'which foo' returns the full file specification for 'foo' as > knownlI > to the currently invoked shell.  So what are the possibilities, if SHOWt > SYMBOL, SHOWK > LOGICAL and [*...] don't turn up anything then where do you look?  Do your > need VERBaK > to examine the command tables to locate the name of the underlying image?i > Does thist' > then constitute an exhaustive search?n >  > > -----Original Message-----= > > From: Robert Deininger [mailto:rdeininger@mindspring.com] - > > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:32 AMt > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComV > > Subject: Re: tcpip > >u > >wJ > > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKECBEBAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" > > <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  > >eN > > >I often access nodes in our cluster using putty on a W2K box.  One of the
 > > >nodesN > > >runs UCX (TCPIP V4.2) on 7.1-2 and another 5.1 on 7.3  I thought I was on > > >theH > > >latter and typed TCPIP, but I was on the former .  It printed out a > > >TCPIPtracedA > > >of XMT and RCV packets.  $ TC also works and a search of theM > > system revealed 7 > > >nothing, I looked for logicals or files named tc*.h > > >n@ > > >Where does this come from?  Something like the unix 'which' > > command would be
 > > >nice. > >iK > > I don't have access to a UCX 4.2 system at the moment, so I'm guessing.a > >d* > > I also don't know what 'which' does... > >mD > > At the DCL level, there are at least 3 ways to invoke a command: > >eL > > 1. A regular DCL verb in the process's command table.  These are createdN > > (by a product kit or end user) via SET COMMAND.  The freeware VERB utilityN > > can reverse the process, producing a .CLD file representing a piece of theK > > command table.  VERB is stupid about abbreviations.  If there's a TCPIP-M > > command defined, an abbreviation will invoke it from DCL, but you'll haveSM > > to spell it out completely for VERB.  (Perhaps this has changed in recente > > versions of VERB.) > >SJ > > 2. A DCL symbol.  Something like TC*PIP :== whatever would do what youI > > describe. The "whatever" part could involve either a command file, an6J > > executable image, or a built-in verb.  The "*" character in the symbolH > > definition indicates the shortest abbreviation that DCL will accept.F > > Anything between TC and TCPIP would be recognized in this example. > > K > > 3. The DCL$PATH logical name mechanism.  I never use it, so I shouldn'tiM > > say much.  My vague recollection is that is does NOT do abbreviations, sou* > > it likely isn't involved in this case. > > N > > The last two mechanisms should be described in the VMS User's guide and/or > > the DCL dictionary.n > >5H > > Logical names are not directly involved in invoking commands in DCL. > >a6 > > I have no idea if that answers your question.  :-) > >e   -- rE ---------------------------------------------------------------------hE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.s? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------p -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----A Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------w   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:20:52 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>0 Subject: RE: tcpip9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEDGEBAA.tom@kednos.com>"   > -----Original Message-----B > From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com]) > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:30 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms > Subject: Re: tcpip >R >eL > > So there is not a single mechanism that will search all the possibilites@ > > for you.  This should probably be added to VMS.  A SHOW VERB > command couldtA > > look in all the places that DCL currently looks for commands,FL > > incorporating the current VERB and the extras mentioned above.  Maybe inH > > an alternate universe where there are lots of VMS engineers standing' > > around with nothing better to do...t >s% > There is a port of which to VMS....l >n   Where?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:06:00 +0100, From: "Toine Dirven" <tdirven@volvocars.com> Subject: TCPIP lpd3 Message-ID: <a3mbhj$9ke7@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com>n   Hello,  = We have a logical name TCPIP$LPD_ENABLE on our alpha machine.v We use TCPIP version 5.1.y   "TCPIP$LPD_ENABLE" = ".1.."-  # Can anyone tell me what that means.a  
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:10:15 +0100"= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>L Subject: Re: unzip files) Message-ID: <3C5E8837.A35B4616@gtech.com>t   A Bonaveidogo wrote: > how can I unzip files on VMS?,   Use UNZIP !:  8 You can download UNZIP for VMS from dozens of FTP sites.  ? But try start at ftp://vms.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/ !e   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 10:21:42 -0800 % From: arobert@mfs.com (Andrew Robert)n# Subject: Re: Veritas Client for VMSs= Message-ID: <e6751970.0202041021.36ebd3bb@posting.google.com>s   Hi everyone,     Just an FYI,  A I was able to get Veritas NetBackup client for VMS v3.2 and patchb" v3.4GA installed without incident.  2 The problem now to get the thing to backup a disk.  E My Unix Admin added a test class called "Test_VMS", a schedule calleda( "full" and a client type of Sun Solaris.  4 When I attempt a manual backup, I get the following:  D $ NBU BACKUP/IGNORE=(INTER,NOBACKUP) BACKUP1:[000000]USER1.BAK /LOG " /CLASS="Test_VMS" /SCHEDULE="Full"9 %NBU-I-CONNECT, connect from SPEEDY (xxx.xx.xx.xxx, 1023) ; %NBU-I-CONNECT, connected to NBMASTER (xxx.xx.xx.xx, 13720)uD %NBU-E-STATUS, no schedules of the correct type exist in this class.  + Does anyone have any idea what is going on?l   Thanks, 
 Andrew Roberte Principal Systems Analystp( Enterprise Technology Services - OpenVMS  Massachusetts Financial Services E-mail: arobert@mfs.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:18:37 +0800* From: "Kenneth" <kennethyeung@net-yan.com> Subject: VMS + EMC disks* Message-ID: <a3ltmk$pp$1@news.net-yan.com>  J Does anyone has the experience of using VMS 7.2-1 and EMC disk through theL fibre channel (KGPSA) cards. When I use connect the EMC disks to our system,L the transaction rate in the Rdb (7.0.6.1) will become very low even I am notH using the any of the new added EMC disks? Is there any relation with theG mixed cluster, ie. the cluster consists with both CI and fiber channel.b   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:24:25 -0600, From: "Tony Scandora" <scandora@cmt.anl.gov>; Subject: Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The Inquirers+ Message-ID: <a3mcla$87m$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>n  C Look for the Itanium issue of the VMS Times on Compaq's web site at5< http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/openvmstimes.pdf.   It has four modes.  K Special stuff that VAX did with CISC instructions, Alpha does with PALcode, ) and Itanium will do with system services.V  F More technical details and a sensible plan are laid out nicely in nine pages.   Enjoy,1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541n scandora@cmt.anl.gov  5 "Jonas Lindholm" <jlindholm@rcn.com> wrote in messaget! news:3C5B3E83.109952A2@rcn.com...f > When we are on the subject,> >oJ > does Itanium support all four access modes in hardware or do you need to > simulate that instead in SW ?w >  > /Jonas Lindholmo >m > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >dL > > They should find better sources.  VMS has not booted on Itanium.  We areK > > woring on the OS Loader, and don't have all the compilers or linker yet  toK > > start executing anything past the early parts of the primary bootstrap.. > > C > > We have a plan, and are working to it.  Everything is on track.w > >a6 > > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message6 > > news:picl5ukr103il9pnn1dj9thse31nt8tden@4ax.com...- > > > http://www.theinquirer.net/01020208.htms > > >)  > > > Compaq boots VMS on Itanic > > >s > > > Parallel Lines, > > > By Mike Magee, 01/02/2002 11:16:30 BST > > >m > > >sK > > > THE PORT OF VMS to the Itanium platform is moving quickly, Compaq hasaG > > > told the INQUIRER, with engineers already booting the OS on Intelt > > > chips.I > > > But there's obviously still a way to go, the company has cautioned.n > > >iJ > > > Richard George, European marketing director of Compaq's Alpha group,F > > > also moved to reassure his customers that whatever happened withL > > > Hewlett Packard, and merger or no merger, his company was committed toG > > > both developing and supporting its Unix - Tru64 - for at least 12C > > > years. > > >-L > > > That commitment was part of contracts it had entered into with various% > > > of Compaq's customers, he said.- > > >rG > > > After the merger, Compaq will work with HP to produce a convergedeI > > > version - known in the trade as Itanium Unix, and that will featuree- > > > embedded clustering technology he said.b > > >oK > > > Porting VMS to the Itanium platform was a simpler matter than porting18 > > > it from the VAX to the Alpha platform, he claimed. > > >sG > > > That required tens of thousands of software modules, while so fareK > > > moving from Alpha to VMS has only taken 50 software modules, he said.. > > >pE > > > There is, however, a great deal of work to be done on compiler,sL > > > application, middleware and other technology before the formal release5 > > > of VMS for the Itanium, probably in mid 2005. o > > >l > > >S > > >  The Inquirer  > > >  2002 Breakthrough  > > > Publishing Ltd > > >t > > > All rights reserved. > > >i- > > > Discuss this story on our Message Forum- > > > Back to Front- > > >e > > >0 > > >0 > > >4 > > >0 > > >m > > >m > > >y > > >B > > >l > > >m > > >j > > >: > > >f > > >s > > >t > > >n > > >m > > >p
 > > > Home > > >C > > >B > > > --
 > > > Alan >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:32:42 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>; Subject: Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The Inquirers= Message-ID: <KIy78.26871$%h1.9923761@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>i  7 "Tony Scandora" <scandora@cmt.anl.gov> wrote in messagee% news:a3mcla$87m$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov...tE > Look for the Itanium issue of the VMS Times on Compaq's web site at > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/openvmstimes.pdf. >h > It has four modes. >ID > Special stuff that VAX did with CISC instructions, Alpha does with PALcode,+ > and Itanium will do with system services.a >,H > More technical details and a sensible plan are laid out nicely in nine > pages.  K Yep. Editor Sue Skonetski's final issue of the OpenVMS Times is a very nicel piece of work.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 08:29:39 -0600l- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e7 Subject: Re: VMS boots on itanium!  Tru64 for 12 years!-3 Message-ID: <shc2tVnewO4P@eisner.encompasserve.org>:  h In article <d7791aa1.0202010741.7d2dce2a@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > Compaq boots VMS on Itanic o >  > Parallel Lines g( > By Mike Magee, 01/02/2002 11:16:30 BST > G > THE PORT OF VMS to the Itanium platform is moving quickly, Compaq has C > told the INQUIRER, with engineers already booting the OS on Intel  > chips.E > But there's obviously still a way to go, the company has cautioned.       If so, then when?  F > Richard George, European marketing director of Compaq's Alpha group,B > also moved to reassure his customers that whatever happened withH > Hewlett Packard, and merger or no merger, his company was committed toC > both developing and supporting its Unix - Tru64 - for at least 124 > years.  ?    Sure, just call it HP-UX/Tru64.  Never mind it's big-endian.K   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 04 Feb 02 09:03:14 GMTN From: jmfbahciv@aol.comD? Subject: Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)o+ Message-ID: <a3lqgm$g29$1@bob.news.rcn.net>O  % In article <a3jkt7$4t1@web.nmti.com>,n*    peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:H >In article <a3bc69$3kf$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:D >> Portable???!!!  What are you talking about?  The purpose of an OS0 >> is to deliver computing services to the user. >dG >The purpose of the OS is to manage resources on behalf of application h	 programs.s >oE >A portable OS is one that provides the same abstraction on multiple p
 platforms. >WE >The implementation may be slightly or even significantly different, r	 dependinghI >on the hardware design and how the OS is laid out... but there's a clear I >advantage to not making people rewrite their apps every time they get a m new 
 >computer.  H I wouldn't call this a _portable_ OS.  I'd call it backwards compatible.A My interpretation of portable is a program that doesn't care whatlB hardware it runs on.  At the OS level it had better care about theF hardware it's running on...or how else is it going to trap interrupts,@ set up IOWD (IO words), or deliver software packets to specified= hardware addresses?  These intimate little details cannot be iA invisible to an OS.  If it is invisible, then the OS is merely an D app.  The TOPS-10 emulators are apps.  A TOPS-10 running under those= emulators becomes an app because _it has no knowledge of the o
 hardware_. >eF >Of course if you're the hardware manufacturer, having the apps be an  barriert* >to your customers leaving you is a bonus. >l# yea.  I lived through one of those.i   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.i   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 04 Feb 02 09:07:26 GMTt From: jmfbahciv@aol.comh? Subject: Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...),+ Message-ID: <a3lqoi$g29$2@bob.news.rcn.net>-  6 In article <1020203173533.16223C-100000@Ives.egh.com>,$    John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:% >On 3 Feb 2002, Peter da Silva wrote:s >-J >> In article <a3bc69$3kf$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:F >> > Portable???!!!  What are you talking about?  The purpose of an OS2 >> > is to deliver computing services to the user. >> eI >> The purpose of the OS is to manage resources on behalf of application i	 programs.n >>  G >> A portable OS is one that provides the same abstraction on multiple 3
 platforms. >> bG >> The implementation may be slightly or even significantly different, t	 dependinggK >> on the hardware design and how the OS is laid out... but there's a clearvK >> advantage to not making people rewrite their apps every time they get a g newa >> computer. >>  H >> Of course if you're the hardware manufacturer, having the apps be an  barrier=, >> to your customers leaving you is a bonus. >> M >uE >Think of it as a roach motel.  You want it to be easy to migrate in,- >but hard to migrate out.  ;-)  @ Not in my book.  That's lousy business thinking.  Customers want@ to have the feeling that they have a choice.  Once they get told< what they want, a percentage of them rebel and they look forD other options.  It is a survival mechanism to have backup plans A-Z.= Providing no options is forcing round computing into a squarec hole.  u   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.k   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:39:23 -0500+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>h? Subject: RE: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)nT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4016CE955@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  E >>> >Think of it as a roach motel.  You want it to be easy to migratec$ in, but hard to migrate out.  ;-)<<<  H Well, that was certainly the case in the past, but absolutely one of theC biggest drivers for Java/J2EE and related Web Services offerings is @ vendor and platform independance - both for Customers and ISV's.  D Imho, the successful HW vendor(s) of the future will be the ones who@ able to combine proprietary OS/HW for maximum RASS (reliability,B availability, scalability and security) and at the same time offerC Customers application layers built either on "industry standard" oru: "industry intitiatives" e.g. Java, XML, LDAP, HTTP(s) etc.   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantr Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Servicesi Voice: 613-592-4660Y Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----2 From: jmfbahciv@aol.com [mailto:jmfbahciv@aol.com] Sent: February 4, 2002 4:07 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ? Subject: Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)e    6 In article <1020203173533.16223C-100000@Ives.egh.com>,$    John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:% >On 3 Feb 2002, Peter da Silva wrote:V >MC >> In article <a3bc69$3kf$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com>J wrote:F >> > Portable???!!!  What are you talking about?  The purpose of an OS2 >> > is to deliver computing services to the user. >>=20pH >> The purpose of the OS is to manage resources on behalf of application  	 programs.t >>=20 I >> A portable OS is one that provides the same abstraction on multiple=20s
 platforms. >>=20tI >> The implementation may be slightly or even significantly different,=20o	 dependingeE >> on the hardware design and how the OS is laid out... but there's a  clearsH >> advantage to not making people rewrite their apps every time they get a=20 new' >> computer. >>=20eJ >> Of course if you're the hardware manufacturer, having the apps be an=20 barrier , >> to your customers leaving you is a bonus. >>=20d >.E >Think of it as a roach motel.  You want it to be easy to migrate in,o >but hard to migrate out.  ;-)  @ Not in my book.  That's lousy business thinking.  Customers want@ to have the feeling that they have a choice.  Once they get told< what they want, a percentage of them rebel and they look forD other options.  It is a survival mechanism to have backup plans A-Z.= Providing no options is forcing round computing into a squarea	 hole. =20n   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 15:59:15 GMT & From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)? Subject: Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...) % Message-ID: <a3mb4j$flu@web.nmti.com>o  6 In article <1020203173533.16223C-100000@ives.egh.com>," John Santos  <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:F > Think of it as a roach motel.  You want it to be easy to migrate in, > but hard to migrate out.  ;-)e  ) Ah, like "Windows Services for UNIX"? :->x   --  +  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.iE   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."iL                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 05:58:47 -0800 ) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)  Subject: Re: WSSIZE and WSPEAK= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0202040558.37f4c034@posting.google.com>a  f Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote in message news:<3C5E0131.12250FB3@wasd.vsm.com.au>...  - > Explanation anyone?  AATIA.o  B Your image called sys$adjwsl and upped it's limit which it did not	 then use.   D I've seen that you can also get yourself into a similiar (confusing)5 situation using another subprocess (from your image).f  5 You get adjusted back to your limit at image exit....-   SET-  
   WORKING_SET-  
     /LIMIT             /LIMIT=n  F        Specifies the size to which the working set is to be reduced at        image exit.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.068 ************************